Entry level Gaming PC from 2017 but its current year.
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- Опубликовано: 22 авг 2024
- We've come a long way, but lets not forget where we came from. 7 years ago the GT 1030 was a competent entry level GPU, and at the same time, the Pentium G4560 was a greatly priced CPU.
While you can't expect too much out of these little fellas, you can still get away with some popular games today. And with a couple small upgrades in the future, maybe this system can go a lot further.
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the now classic potato combo
mmm next I wanna do G3258 and GTX 750 Ti
I literally have an intel core i5 2400 and nvidia nvs 310
@@its.panda_07 nvs 310? i got that in my dell precision t7810!
@@its.panda_07 I mean with that, you can only browse websites basically. You already will have problems watching youtube at high res/framerate because your Hardware doesn't support the new codecs youtube is streaming out natively your CPU has to render that in software and it will lag horribly. I've seen that even on my 3770k as soon as I went 1440p/60fps video my CPU was perma 100% and I got like 5 fps. Now on 12700k I can watch 8k/60 fps and my cpu/gpu don't even go above 20w usage. All depends on the right decoders implemented in hardware and the right mmx extensions supported.
I had an fx-6300 and an r7 360 back in the day, another classic combo
I had this exact combination back in the day. I remember being impressed by the 1030's performance at the time and to this day I still maintain the opinion that those who talk bad about it don't actually understand the benefits of it (no PCIE connector & single slot) that make it PERFECT for upgrading old desktop PCs with bad PSUs and little space for a GPU.
I now have a Ryzen 7 7800X3D and an RTX 4070 Super though, so my budget gaming days are now behind me!
All true, but the GTX 1050 wasn't that much more and was way better. You could even get 1050Ti with no ext power. You're unlikely to find either of those in single-slot though, and SFF versions come at an increased cost and usually are still 1.5-2 slot.
@@classic_jam yep, I’m aware of those cards, but as you say, none of the LP 1050/TIs came in single slot and they also carry a hefty price tag even used.
Im more of a GT 710 kind of guy
Jesus, is 2017 really long enough ago to be "back in the day" already? I feel like there should be a 15-year minimum from the present before you're legally allowed to call it that.
Same here I used my IGPU Intel HD 4000 to play valorant and overwatch 2, Then when I Upgrade to gt 1030 it was night and day performance!! I'm getting like 200fps on the valorant (depends on the map) and in overwatch i get like 120fps steady
I had the Chad Core i5 2400/Gtx750ti combo in 2017
This was round about the time having a boot SSD in combination with a storage HDD became affordable for entry level users. Probably by adding an SSD to a system that already had a HDD.
Who else remembers the days of SSHDs?
Yep, thats exactly what i did 8 years ago. I got the i3 6100 in 2016, with a 120gb ssd
@@SanctusBacchus oddly enough, those are used in modded consoles, and would be perfect for ps4 linux gaming due to a separate whole drive to spare for games, and everything you'd want to easily extract in case of ps4 failure.
I remember the first time I switched from pure HDD storage to an SSD boot. It felt like I upgraded my computer from low end to a supercomputer in 1 part.
Back around that time I got a GTX1050ti and a Ryzen 3 1500 and I thought I was a real high roller.
Ohhhh I was a Ryzen early adopter too, I had the 1500x, still have it in a box, used it for two years but paired it with a gtx 1060 6gb, nice pc!
Gamer's Nexus did a video on that Pentium CPU and determined that it could handle up to a GTX 1060 6GB GPU.
In the next video with this system I will pair the Pentium with a 1060 6GB, and i'll compare that to a 6700K with the 1030. And then finally the i7 with the 1060
It can really handle an RX570 😅
@@CarbonatedLithium i'll agree with that. I mean, my i5 3570 can handle a RX570 4GB. Im sure the G4560 can do the same, as though it has less cores it has far better single core performance
Not just GN but a few other review sites.
The results might look different in modern games as opposed to games from 2017.
This brings back memories of the pentium G's being the brand new budget kings and me debating whether getting a 1050 would be worth it over the 1030. Weird to think that was 8 years ago , the pc space was so fun back then.
a gtx 1050 was good for most older games, still got it today even if it has no use since 2020 or back.
I miss this era of the PC Space too. Also loved the aesthetics of PC's back then, RGB was there but wasn't over the top, more like highlights on a few components here and there. Games were also not pushing so much as they are now for graphical fidelity and framerate so you could build a modest system and be good with that. Stuff that was coming out was in reach for most consumers compared today where everything is massively overpriced for what they are, especially gpu's.
This was my upgrade from a q6600 4gb ddr2 and a gt 640. The difference was huge!
You have a really good humor keep up with this videos
my first pc had a pentium g4560 and a 1050 ti back in 2017 and i loved it
My first PC had an 8088 and a monochrome graphics adapter... and I loved it.
You gained a subscriber man 👍
im predicting this channel will blow up soon
lol this channel actually blew up like 7 years ago when the hardware was released so this is the channels comeback ark watch the backlog and check the view counts hahah 😅
Dont listen to him, I never properly blew up
My first hold over PC in 2017 was an old dell optiplex. I threw in a Q6600 and a GT 1030 in it and it worked great for a few games until i got to build my first budget gaming PC. Got a Ryzen 1400 and a GTX 1050Ti in it and it was amazing at the time. Finally built my first high end gaming pc last year and man did it feel good to finally be able to afford that sort of thing. I felt accomplished lol
Awesome video I love the format and putting in a CPU one-handed is an underrated skill haha especially when the case isn't lying down
It was lazy in its own way, i didnt feel like laying the computer down or changing the angle of the camera
back when pentium g4560 is better than i3 6100/7100 in terms of the price to performance ratio, what a nostalgic processor, we had paired with 1050ti and rx 570 in my neighborhood's internet cafes that year and it can play low-med AAA games 1080p
I own an i7 7700. There is no CPU upgrade path for me.
Still rocking a GTX 1060. But I think with the current CPU I have, I might be able to squeeze more performance out of the CPU by upgrading to a RTX 3060 12Gig (a powerful GPU than this can cause bottleneck)
The system in this video will be upgraded to 6700K and GTX 1060 6GB, so i'll pretty much be testing your system soon. Even with a 3060 you may be due for a platform upgrade, something that supports PCIe gen 4 to make sure the 3060 wouldnt be held back bandwidth wise, as well as by a measly quad core
There are mods for the older socket 1151 boards to make them run Coffee Lake CPUs. It's more of a fun thing to mess around with than a straight up upgrade, still, couple extra cores might be worthwhile for some.
listen, if ur willing to do some bios tweaking and tape off some cpu connectors, u could get up to 9th gen support, yes even with ddr3 memory
@@amadii8768 hey, where can i find more info about this?
my juiced out 6600k @ 4.6ghz bottlenecks a 1080 in 1080p cyberpunk
I waited so long for the video about old budget build in today
Makes me glad that in 2017 I was running an R3 1200 with a dirt cheap A320 board, which is now in my grandson's PC where he is about to drop in a Ryzen 5500 with nothing more than a BIOS update. Man AM4 definitely aged like fine wine 🍷
I hope we didnt get spoiled by AM4
Impossible to take live benchmarks like this seriously when you don't include the frametime graph. It's arguably more important than even average fps, because an even, stable, consistently delivered 30fps will feel a lot better than an uneven, stuttery 50fps.
true, but this is very clearly not meant as a serious review, as no one in their right mind would consider this combo today (or the separate parts)
Back in 2017 i had a i5-6600k, 16gb (2x8gb) 2133mhz, palit jetstream 1070. This video brought me back to that age tbh, it was such a fun time for me as i had just got into pc gaming. Today though I have a ryzen 9 5900x 32gb (4x8gb) 3600mhz and a FE nvidia 3080ti.. yeah.. its funny how pc gaming truly draws you in.
I gamed on a i3 7100 with 16GB of ram and an RX 550 4GB for a couple months last year until I traded off my tired Alienware for a recent barebones systems. It was surprisingly not too awful. Not great, but far better than I thought it was going to be.
OH... and it had only a single 7200 WD 1TB. Yeah.
@@R3AL-AIM was it a WD10EZEX? :D
I remember buying g4560 with Gigabyte H110M, 8GB of DDR4 and GTX 750 ti back in March 2018. I was so excited, because this budget build let me play most of the recent (back then) games, and i even sold the entire build 6 months later without the money loss. I still remember, that i paid ~280 PLN (~$70) for the brand new G4560 and that was actually a good price. Now, on the used marketplace you can buy that CPU for as low as 20 PLN ($5) 😂
Looked at getting a G4560 and a 1050 back then. Interesting to see that the Pentium is holding back the 1030 in Overwatch, perhaps expected with 2 cores in current year though
I was using an i7 7700k and gtx 1080 until 2022, just upgraded the processor due to some slow downs when working and the gpu because i upgraded t a 4k monitor, but otherwise I would still be using them for almost 5 years they were enough for me.
Almost my system, still running it today. Pentium G4560, gtx 1050 2gb, started with 8gb ram (now 16gb, the only component upgraded)
256gb m.2 drive + 256gb 2,5" SSD.
I didn't need to know any of that. But it was pleasant to watch regardless.
time flies back when people comparing i3 7100 and g4560 for a budget pc
That is a low end PC from 2017. Entry level would have been an i3 6100 paired with a GTX 1060.
I would have accepted GTX 1050, a 1060 was midrange
This was nice to watch.
I remember back when this kinda of PC was a thing, however instead of gt 1030 it was gtx 1050ti, it was soft of fine for the year but i sometimes still see remnants of that era with people not upgrading which is fascinating to me
Would love to see a 7350k OC video. I got a 8350k Running at 5.0 on all cores once
love the video but the only thing I would change is frametimes to a graph so it's easier to read. Other than that very cool video. Would love to see a video about this pc being upgraded over the 7 years since it's been out still going with budget parts.
I'm still running a 6100 (Got dowgraded from 7100 due to it died after 7 years) in my dekstop, this video seems perfect
In 2017 I was suffering a C2Q Q8200 💀
Honestly buying a 1050ti is your best bet for that price nowadays, I had a setup very similar to yours except with the i5 4th gen , it has served me well I even remember playing left for dead 2 and Stardew valley in native 4k
underrated channel. I LOVE IT!!
In 2017 the gtx older gtx 750 ti handley beat the 1030 in nearly every game
From some one that tried playing palworld with a gt 1030 i have to say that this game shutters like hell with this card
I used to own the pentium g4560 w/ 1050 ti and 8gb ram as my first entry gaming pc. Now Im using a ryzen 7 5700x3d w/ 6700xt . Ill never forget my first chip!
Never forget where you came from
I had a i7 860 (1st gen) and a 1030, only GPU that would fit that didn't have extra power connectors and fit the SFF HP case, and 210W PSU.
i used to run a pentium g5400 with 8gb of ram and a 8gb rx 470
i cant say it was the greatest experience ever but it certainly exceeded my expectations, i certainly dont miss it tho
I've been watching some benchmark vids that test 6th/7th gen intel i3s (6100/7100). Quite surprised they still hold out somewhat well in 2024
@@shaunosmorrison8385 I am currently using i3 7th gen laptop, apart from new gen gaming it is performing pretty smooth .
i was saving money to buy this exactly pc but got never bought because of life issues and later i got and i3 9100 and a gtx 960ti i thankfully never regret it!
Always interesting to see how older parts perform now, especially those old budget parts.
I’d be interested to see the per thread usage of the CPU, I’m willing to bet that one of the threads is sitting at 100% the second the GPU usage drops in phas, cpu bottlenecks are a nightmare 🤣
Fun entry-level machine. Could passively cool both CPU and GPU. Built mine as an HTPC. Sold it two months ago for 100 USD (equivalent).
I'm still rocking my 1050ti and i5-8400 that I bought almost 8 years ago now 💪
Not directly related, but when I got an i5-11400, I got a Z series board not because of (impossible) overclocking purposes, but to ensure that there was enough VRM cooling/etc for what I knew would be a high wattage chip.
Who knows, one of the Waste of Silicon Rocket Lake i7/i9 CPUs might get stupid cheap in 5-10 years. I can wait :)
I would have thought ryzen 5 1500 and a gtx 1050 would be the entry level pc back then.
6.9k subs nice
@@Micecheese i was 6.7 yesterday, less nice
@@YogertPC already 6.91k, you're getting up the good growth for long term audiences.
I think you should do some more intensive benchmarks. The benchmarks you’ve done in this video didn’t stress the system all that much. I’m not that surprised that this system runs cs2 and lethal company.
Its my testing suite, because those are games I like right now
I sub and like for the awesome awkwardness and Pinetime.
I had a g4560 and a 1050ti combo but upgraded to a ryzen 5 1600 less than a year later. I recently upgraded to a 5700x with the same motherboard. I wouldn't have gone lower than a 1050 during this time considering that would've been a worse experience than the base consoles.
New viewer here and I subbed immediately. I like the content, the idea and the upgrade potential of a new video!
The gpu that this got paired with in 2017 the most.. was WAY WAY WAY more powerful than a gt 1030. It got paired with an RX560/570/580 most of the time. A much much more powerful set of cards. The rx 560 was only like 10 more than the gt 1030.
complaining about the 30FPS on Overwatch is so funny to me cause for some reason not even I can explain I like more to play it on my Switch that runs it at 30FPS rather than on my PC that can easily run it at 144FPS on Ultra, yet, most hours I have on Overwatch are on Switch
The i3-6100 still held up better with games that utilize the AVX1 and AVX2 Instruction sets which the G4560 lacks
And the G4560 also lacks Intel's Specialized "Smart Cache" for it's 1.5MBx2 Cache config.
The g4560 and gt 1030 had the PC community by the throat in 2017 😂 that and the GTX 750Ti
The problem with pentium even with 2c/4t, the lack of avx is a deal breaker for emulation and certain apps..
but outside of that, it is huge deal
I gamed on the modern equivalent for awhile (at least, I think so) - a Pentium G7400 and Arc a380. Yeah, there's worse cards... it was true in 2017 too, at least the 1030 was current, um... yeah. There are always worse CPUs, because, well, Celeron word-processing processors that struggled with much more (ok, ok, the internet was fine... sure...)
The Pentium G7400 and Arc a380 actually held a 30-60 fps average in Baldur's Gate 3 - cinematics are what saw the 20s. This was at relatively high settings. If you know the game, it was Act III that made me change out the card. Also noteable, I guess, is the fact I used a CRT monitor at 1600x1200 - so it was like the old school 1080p. BUT IT DID IT.
In 2017, this was probably totally OK with your whole Steam back-log... I mean all those games you bought because, well, maybe someday I will play them... but you didn't. (The struggle is real, it used to be books I hadn't read that I owned... but, y'know, progress and all)
Also, I discovered you here from a recommended video, and I applaud the algorithm for getting it right.
Subscribed.
I would love to see a mid tier build from 2019! 3700x and 5700xt with 16gb ram comes to my mind. It would still hold up really well, especially on the CPU. I had a 3700x for the past four years and it could push up to a 6950xt / 3090 just fine. Its a 95 dollar chip these days
I had a GT 1030 GDDR5 with a C2D E8600. Was a great combo for HTPC during the pandemic. The system is now a server, and I sold the GPU a while back.
@@Redmage913 i often hear people say that theyve turned their old rigs into servers but i dont quite get what that means? Is it now cloud storage or a dedicated server for a service??
Could be both? I have a system running TrueNAS Scale as a fileserver and runs some apps I can access from any other computer on my network. A secondary computer is great for something like that
Im still have my 1st gt 1030 with my core i5 4590 in family room for whoever wanna play
GT1030 owner here. It's useful for older builds with linux.
60 fps is nice, but 30 is 100% playable.
Heck, even 25 is okay for slower gameplays and even below that for turn-based ones
You should try the lowest gaming card of the time, the 1050. It probably wouldn't make as interesting a story, or you could try a gaming card you could get for the same price as the 1030 used at the time.
I remember upgrading to a GT 1030, 8GB DDR2 and a Core 2 quad Q8300 on an inspiron 545s mobo. And honestly It really blew me away as it really felt like the last thing ill ever game on as it was my first time ever experiencing 60FPS in games and ultra settings at a HD resolution with the games I played on it and made the laptop I upgraded from look like a complete and utter scam I bought from walmart being a $400 HP 15 with an intel pentium n3540 and 4GB of ram. As well as any other prevoius laptop I grew up with streight from the pawn shop because my family couldnt afford a console of a gaming PC.
Also wdym 40FPS is bad in Palworld? 12yo me would have killed for even 30FPS even at 480p
The G4560 was the GOAT
To get the MSI Afterburner overlay to work in CS2, I suggest using the "-allow_third_party_software" launch parameter.
It should allow any signed program to inject itself into the game, like Afterburner, and should not affect your trust factor!
Great video btw!
I dont trust that it wont affect my trust factor
$100 extra (so 1.3x the budget) would have gotten you a 1050Ti and an i3 (or possibly a previous gen i5 with 4 cores), meaning at least 2x the performance.
people pair g4560 with gtx1050 back then. Although i am 20, i remember i built my friend a "gaming pc" using this cpu. because that all the budget he had. But with only 4gb of Ram, cause we only played minecraft bedrock edition lol.
I used old lenovo laptop with i5 4210u and geforce 840m 8gb ddr3l.
Now i have, i7 4790 and gtx 750. and my friend has i5 8500 and gtx 1050, yes it is his old graphic card that he use up until today lol
I remember this build but in indonesia they always recommend g4560 with 1050 ti
Funny enough i have a high end pc from 2017. I9 7940x with 2 vega 64 engineering samples.
I feel kind of bad for those who picked the G4560 over the Ryzen 3 1200
Still using G4560 + 1050Ti until now alongside with 2x8gb 1600mhz (OC to 1866mhz) still good for 60fps medium settings RE7
i used to have a i5 3470 and that gt1030 overclocks really really good. i loved it for the simple games i played, even ran fortnite rust and the forest acceptably on 1080p if you’re okay with mostly medium settings.
doom 2016 would play on that
I remember thinking about the Pentium, but if I was saving, I should save max I could, so I got the Celeron and an RX460, could actually play a lot of games, upgraded to an I5 6500 and RX5700XT and still going strong, althoug only mobo case and psu from the original remain
I happen to have a 2017 system. 1060 6g. rysen 7 1700x. 16x2 ddr4 ram.
You look like The Act Mans younger brother
Nice video, keep it up 👍
😒👍 It's all about The Pentiums 🐢
Pc parts dropped in price you can get a rx 580 for around 60 bucks these days
i think this was more of a test of how this sort of system aged over being something you should actually buy.
i have a i5 9400f and a vega 56 and i can still play pretty much every game, but what do u think it would be a nice upgrade in terms of cpu and gpu?
Oh wow a Vega 56, well when you're done with it, i'll buy it. I hear you can flash it into Vega 64 without issue as long as it has Samsung memory. Either way, an i7-8700K or 9700K would be a jump in both clocks and multithreading for about $100. My brother recently upgraded to 8700K, its still a solid chip without needing to get new motherboard and RAM.
GPU is a little trickier since youre on LGA1151, anything newer than Vega or Geforce 20 is on PCIe gen 4, and you could run into bandwidth issues pairing with a coffee lake chip. A used 2080 Ti or Super could be a good deal, not to mention way better on efficiency than Vega. Personally i'm interested in something like an RX 7800 XT.
And if an entire new platform upgrade is in your future, i'd go AM5, since new chips should be coming at the end of July, while Intel's current LGA1700 is at the end of its life. A Ryzen 7 7800X3D would be pretty gamer
That's literally my pc but I got Pentium g4400
𝓒 𝓤 𝓡 𝓡 𝓔 𝓝 𝓣 𝓨 𝓔 𝓐 𝓡
Youngins today wouldn't understand barely being able to find GPUs worth a damn not bought by crypto miners
i think overwatch 1 was already struggling when you hadn'T 4 real cores, about as same as csgo did, but cs2 impressed me, 50-80 fps is not competitiv, but playable enaugh. Most people aren't competitiv and its better than it was at csgo (iirc), valve did some black magic there.
i had a g4560 with a rx 550. It was good other than the amd drivers at the time.
Does it mean that I'm living in 2017 now with my G4560 and GT 730?
Mmm a 730, my favorite
i was actually gonna put this base system together back in the day but GPU wise I was debating myself between a gtx 1050 ti or an AMD alternative, I can't remember if it was an rx 560 or something like that
I’d take the 4560 over bulldozer any day in 2017 *assuming you aren’t using a 1030, there wasn’t going to be a game out there that you were going to struggle with everything playable and assuming the gpu is better than a 1030 would allow you to beat a console even with console optimization
i built a 6100 with 16 gb of ddr4 at bace 2133mh with a rx 480 8g it did really well for a lot of years and was quite cheep
I'm still rocking a i5 8600k and rx580
And that still alright as long as youre not too ambitious
I had g4560 too but with 1050ti
A moment of silence for those who bought the i3-7350K
2 cores at 5GHz be like.
I cant wait to unbox and test mine
you need to look at your individual thread values for the CPU to see if you're being CPU bottlenecked. You could be at 60% total CPU utilization but because games dont have perfect multithreading and some have terrible multithreading. If you look at individual values you will see one or more cores at 100% and others not being utilized properly, a single thread from the game is demanding more than that thread can handle. Sometimes turning off hyperthreading can help for CPU utilization in some games as that comes with more powerful individual threads. Just a few times in your video when you said that the CPU wasn't the bottleneck but your GPU wasn't being utilized... if BOTH arent being utilized you should just be getting more frames and more utilization of the GPU.
For hyper threading in games count 70% cpu as the limit because higher will cause wild fluctuation in frame times making playing any game no fun at all. The 70% is not something i invented if you going to read all documentation from intel about it you will find this magic number as the core efficiency without hyper threading. You will also find the additional efficiency gain of the 2nd thread mentioned between 20% and 30% depending on workload. However it can block the first thread causing lower single thread performance. And single thread performance has a direct connection to frame times in many games. So in short GPU bottleneck is overall lower average fps that can be tuned with graphics settings. CPU bottleneck will cause fps drops so your average might be somewhat ok due to good enough GPU but the 1% lows will be horrible. Also a CPU bottleneck is hard or impossible to tune in game settings. Only if the game has specific settings that impact CPU work directly will it make a difference like crowd density because calculating pathing for less npc’s saves CPU time for building the scene of the next frame.
random, but i liked it
I had this back in the day with 1050ti
Please make a video on i5/i7 haswell systems. They hold up surprisingly decent with new GPUs
I have G3258, and i7-4790K, but the newest GPU I have is 5700 XT
@@YogertPC perfect, I thought of something like an rtx 2060 super which seems to be the exact equivalent. 😁
I was trying to figure out what video to do next, I guess its time to compare 4790K to Ryzen 5 3600 & Ryzen 7 5700
@@YogertPC I would also recommend doing a piece on old workstations if you can invest in one, they're cheap especially in the US. X99 16c32t machines still rock. Also if you do these please share the game scores in text form somewhere if you are willing to share them as I want to make a video on my Dell workstation and have nothing to compare it to :(
@@balukrol not likely i’ll play with workstations anytime soon. I did however get to briefly test a 5960X for a friends computer. I only showed off numbers for CPU-Z bench compared to i5-7500 and Ryzen 5 5700, found in one of my more recent videos titled COMPUTE OR NOT
Lol i still have my g4560 somewhere but i sold the rx460 4gb i used with it, it was my first pc