Ignore God's Failures, He Healed Me! - Atheist Experience 402
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I prayed really hard after getting a horrible, terminal disease, and then I died. But does anyone ever hear about my story? And the story of millions of people like me? No. Because we're DEAD.
God answers all prayers,it's just that sometimes the answer is "no" :P lol
Martin Sorra I can pray to a rock in my back yard and get those kind of results.
SEE, Deady? You wouldn't be all dead if you'd just accepted Bayubee Jeezurs and the Hurly Barble (what IS this Hurly Barble they all speak of?) But you didn't so you're all DEAD and us loving chrissjuns REJOICE!
(Shit. I scare myself sometimes. The reality is often more crazy than the parody.)
greyeyed123 lol, so true. The only thing that fails more miserably than prayer is abstinence only sex education.
+Martin Sorra And neither are any fun!
why did she go to the doctor in the first place? all believers with serious diseases should stay at home and pray for the miracle cure...
Wow, as an atheist I have to grudgingly admit that this god certainly did work a miracle of healing on this woman. He mysteriously allowed her to get ill in the first place so that he could then do absolutely NOTHING AT ALL in order for the SURGERY and the MEDICATION to actually make this woman healthy again. And all he wanted in return was just the credit.
Reminds me of a comic where a mom and a dad are waiting outside a surgery room and a doctor walks out. The doctor says "the surgery was a success. Your son is going to live!"
"It's a miracle! Praise God for saving our son!"
"However, there was a complication and he won't be able to walk again."
"We're suing!"
I once got on my knees and prayed with all my heart and soul begging God to give me a sign. Something, anything to show he was really there. I got nothing. At that point my already barely existing faith died. And frankly I wasn’t sad. I was happy. I was happy that I learned something new.
God saves the people that live but hes not responsible for people who die. The ones who live say all credit to God and the ones who die say...............nothing.
think about that for a minute.
Would those that lived even survive without the treatment they received? So if they didn't get that treatment and died..God wouldn't care for them either huh? Meaning when you are sick you still equal in his eyes..but only if you survived were you truly favored to continue living..but if there are those favored by god how would we know?..why are people then born believing the faith still condemned to death?..If a theist believes God is the reason for everything, is he not also the reason for the sickness? Therefore it was god's doing to get you sick in the 1st place...and if you survive the sickness give all praise and glory to him...they would probably want to say now god works in mysterious ways...honestly I don't see what is so mysterious to see god as an asshole...but oh well...everyone needs their high...Potheads need weed, Drunks need alcohol, athletes need exercise, scientists need knowledge..and theists need God..smh
Nolight Modarkness
I am not understanding what you are saying...
rainbow20112011 Sorry that was really a bunch of thoughts put together now that I reread it...but long story put into a nutshell..is that theists believe god is the reason for everything..thus he is also the reason for the illness...which would make theists' "faith" contradictory...if they pray for god to undo the illness...and if it is his plan to poison his own believers so they can pray to him for the antidote..he is not working in "mysterious" ways... He is just an asshole
your comment doesn't make much sense
***** are you referring to spaveevo's original comment on the video or my reply?
People who say "I know for a fact...." and "tangible presence" are just illustrating that they obviously don't know the meanings of the words "know", "fact" and especially "tangible".
It's sad really.
She's a sick women ...that's needs help ,not gawwwd.
I like how this caller says that you have to really have faith and mean it for God to show himself, and then admits that when she got her "miracle" she really didn't even want to go to the church in the first place.
Good catch on that. :)
But in likeness to her, did we believe and yet lost people. What difference does it make.
DUDE! the SAME thing happened to me! I had a headache, so I took medicine then prayed like 15 mins later and BAM it was gone right then!
I used to be in a religion like you, then I took logic to the face
Darkblaze4000. Did you spit or swallow.?
Darkblaze4000 don’t you mean you took logic to the knee?
Why won't God heal amputees?
David Prichard because he has a fetish for amputees ...
David Prichard Because god loves stumps
David Prichard Whosoever … hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God. For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous, Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded, Or crookback, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken … He shall not go in unto the vail, nor come nigh unto the altar, because he hath a blemish; that he profane not my sanctuaries. Leviticus 21:17-23 KJV hahaha they aren't aloud :P
Brammy007a How so? I made fundamentally the same joke you made above...I'm making fun of this error, not quoting scripture...read to the end its a joke. At
least i can recognize humor lol wtf
Brammy007a Well i am quoting, but to make people laugh. Something tells me you didn't read to the end though so...ya know...
She's also overlooking the fact that there are just as many people who practise other religions, who worship other gods, who claim to have had the same experience - being diagnosed as terminally ill, praying to Allah/Buddah/Kanesh etc, and then suddenly "miraculously" getting better. These people then make the exact same claims this caller is making - that this is proof of their god's existence.
There are also just as many Atheists who get diagnosed as terminally ill and then manage to recover - they obviously just don't attribute it to any supernatural nonsense like a "god".
The reality is that out of 7 billion people on the planet, a significan number of millions will get life-threatening illnesses that only stand a 1 in a million chance of getting better - but for every million that doesn't, there will be one that does. These few survivors - if they're religious - will put this down to their god, and declare it as proof of their religion being the correct one. These people don't understand the laws of averages, they think because something incredibly improbable happened to them, that it must be supernatural because it's "too much coincidence" - it doesn't occur to these people that when there are billions of people in existence the improbable things will eventually happen to someone. That's not "coincidence", it's called mathematics. It'd actually be spookier if these things never happened to anyone.
I understand that for a person to which this happens it might look like an extraordinary thing that happenned for this particular reason but you're completely right.
Great points!
she had brain surgery, and now she feels a presence... (sigh) whered I put that scalpel?
lolol.
+Kurt Warner
Doc, i think you left it in the patient.
Her brain surgeon must have been Ben Carson
He was a great surgeon. The only field of life where he is respected.
Ben Carson on crack.
Tiger Lily nj
Tiger Lily: maybe that's true; certainly that's what HE says, that man who feels he's a partner with Jesus and all. But funny none of his colleagues came forward to support him publicly! And odd how many malpractice lawsuits he's had to defend over the years.
8 out of 15,000 (0.04%) surgeries is a remarkable record considering the complexity of Brain Surgery,very few Doctors have that kind of record.so yes he is great Doctor
I had shoulder surgery a few years ago and my Dr. gave me all these awesome pain killers. I only needed a few of them for my actual pain and I used the rest to party with. PRAISE JEEBUS!
I just want to add to what Karyn said: so true about other christians not surviving "fatal" diseases, but it's also true that people of other religions and even atheists survive at similar rates. My grandfather was an atheist and his doctors gave him 6 months to live and said he would never walk again. A year and a half later he re wired my Trans Am. His remission eventually ended and he did die, but it was more than 5 years after the expected date and he was walking for most of that time.
+fishcious p.s. I guess the atheist "god" performed that miracle, huh?
Exactly. Miracles just happen. Not by a god, it just happens.
@ Kyrie: My point exactly!
@ Tatesa: Thank you very much!
I'm impressed on how she managed to check every existing medical record of her condition in the world.
"I had a couple brain surgeries".
Nuff said.
I love your icon.
Hnng people who are like "well did you pray??" piss me off. I grew up in a severely abusive household. I prayed every day. Nothing happened. That's WHY I became an atheist.
David Hatcher yeah, it kinda is.... Lack of evidence
She had a couple brain surgeries and had to be on 'the hydrocortisol'? That's a topical skin rash cream.
She means hydrocortisone (which happens to be the active ingredient in hydrocortisol cream) but can be taken in other forms like orally/IV and when steroids are given systemically they can reduce intracranial pressure/reduce oedema with tumours
That makes total sense.
mowtr Eh...I like Jay Wendt's theory better lol.
"i had a couple of brain surgeries"
Clearly not enough.
She had brain surgery? Well, there's yer miracle then - they found a brain. Who'd'a'thunk?
Lets also not forget that brain surgery is a factual reality entirely due to science and not because of any religion or gods although the first go to rationalization theist would engage in is that God has given people the knowledge and ability to do brain surgery.LMAO
+Martin Sorra
Someone actually said to me "god made all the scientists..." ooookaaay, so he made that starving babies too? And the atheists? (That one was a fuck-up!) She actually has learning difficulties and its when you try and explain atheist principles and empirical evidence to somebody with cognitive impairment, you realise just how tightly christianity especially has plugged the holes. There is a very basic, simplistic argument for EVERYthing - I knew that logically, but to actually see it utilised right at thumbscrew level is pretty scary. This person has no choice, but for those who just don't want to think its perfect. Shudder....
Reminds me. She'd recentlyhad surgery, and "Jesus made me walk again." I said "the SURGEON made you walk again, plus other docs, physios etc etc,,with years of training and evidence behind their expertise." "But my doctor is christian..." Excuse me, I need to find a wall to bang my head against. It was PAINFUL.
In biblical times, people would have said she was possessed by demons. They would have prayed for the demons to leave the body, but she would probably have died because "god had other plans".
In today's world, she had brain surgery (twice) and survived her cancer, but only survived because people prayed for her.
Logic has no meaning to these people.
Respect is to be earned. Not given blindly as a gift. Your beliefs have not earned any measure of respect, and have, in fact, demonstrated themselves to be worthy of a great deal of DISrespect.
I am an MD. I've already had two different patients who were pastors and whom I diagnosed of diabetes. They refused treatment and decided to pray instead to be cured. They both died.
Jesus said something to the effect paraphasing "whenever two or more gather and ask for something in my name it will be done." We just saw an example of two people asking god to appear with no result. What's going on?
I pray really hard that Keryn Glasser comes back on as a regular host, and nothing, sorry.
Roger that!
Prayer is pointless. Since God is omniscient then he knows everything and since he gave us free will he is precluded from interfering in our lives lest he influence our free will. If you break your leg and pray to God to heal you God already knows if he will heal it. So your prayer is pointless. If he knows that he will not heal it then the prayer is equally pointless. If God can be influenced by prayer then he is not immutable.
Bobbotov greatest comment yet
I prayed for 7 years" lord I believe help me with my unbelief" and it didn't stop my questioning and doubts. I'm insulted when people imply I wasn't sincerely seeking god when I was a christian, I couldn't help believing in it but I also couldn't help asking questions, now I am atheist and at peace with my mind.
Russell's sister is SO fine.
sendtoanthony Hey ... get your filthy eyes off her you pervert ! God promised her TO ME !! I prayed for her first, so scram !!
Whenever healing from faith comes up I'm reminded of the story of two attendees at a holy-roller preacher's healing event. Jim on crutches and Brian with a stammer are picked out for the treatment. After much praying and associated mumbo-jumbo they are sent behind a screen. The 'healer' calls to them to pray very hard then tells Jim to cast aside his crutches. Then tells Brian to 'speak to us. And Brian replies 'Jim's f-f-f-fallen over.'
I love you Keryn ... please god, give me Keryn ... please god ....
She was brilliant here. Be nice if she was still on the show.
answer me God, or else I'll stop praying' ... and I mean it ...
+Heywood Yabloome so what are you saying' .... that I should give up on Keryn ?
Heywood Yabloome I guess it's time to say good-bye Keryn ... sob ... god, why have you forsaken me ... ?
***** hmmmm ... maybe I'm praying' to the wrong god ... she's jewish right ? dang ... all this time I was praying to jeebus ...
Punish my loved ones?? You mean god punishes innocent people???
That is the definition of "evil".
Trust me I understand that fear. As an atheist I get my hope from the understanding that all that matters is now and what impact I made on others today. But though my mind my be gone I never really go away. My lessons will be passed down through my family and my memory will live on! As an author my legacy will continue long after I'm gone and if even one person is inspired from me that's a start! :)
People who claim "I know for a FACT that God exists!" often give compelling evidence that God indeed doesn't exist.
+Wildduckcluster Or, at the very least, they begin their argument from a position that basically says that they have no actual reason to think that a god exists beyond the fact that they think that one does.
I find it curious that God only seems to wanna show himself to people who already believe in him. Isn' that strange?
Keryn Glasser is so cute. :)
Jesus saves but Moses scores on the rebound!
Remi Moses played for Manchester United umpteen years ago. He might have put one in off a rebound.
Let's be honest. I'm an athiest but I'm open to the idea that god exists but let's face it people superman is more believable than god.
My devout Christian grandmother had cancer for 15 years!
God healed her!
Those 15 years MUST have been a test from God.
If you believe in God and survived a normally fatal issue and survived why would you thank God for that? Isn't your goal to go to the after life?
And abortion drs are sending babies to heaven.
I got into an argument with someone about this. "God saved me from cancer!" Yeah? What about my family? What about my friend? They weren't up to snuff? F that. I call BS.
"So you've been through all the medical journals?"
"Yes, I have."
"I'm sorry, but I don't believe you."
My answer would have been totally different.
Holy crap! After watching this episode I called out for God to reveal himself to me - and he did! We just finished a long chat - and guess what! It turns out that HE hates ALL the same people that I hate...!!! He also told me to start my own religion and stop paying taxes!!!
I had this terrible, non-life-threatening medical issue, and I prayed, and I didn't die!
I think it was a headache or something.
It takes a humility to understand the word of God.
So, my dad was diagnosed with a brain tumor in the late 80s. He was a very faithful person and was an absolute solid believer. I'm sure he prayed to god to overcome his medical issue. And by a "miracle" , he did. The operation was a success. Some would likely argue that god saved him.
But the story doesn't end there.
He had to have a blood transfusion. He got bad blood. Then died from HIV in 1989. Did god save him from his brain tumor only to give him HIV and kill him? He left three very young children behind, and a wife that also believed in god.
Point is, god doesn't do anything because god isn't real. My dad had a successful brain operation, but had the shit circumstance of getting bad blood in an era where blood wasn't tested for HIV.
If this woman wants to credit god for saving her, she also needs to credit god for killing my dad, and soooooo many other people. Or accept the fact that god doesn't "do the real", to quote Sir Sic.
How many times will I have to tell you they are NOT the same?
Rely:
to depend confidently; put trust in (usually followed by on or upon)
Synonyms
trust, count, bank.
Faith:
belief that is not based on proof
why do they care about being healed when the quicker they die the quicker they can be in Paradise with god.
Guys, guys, guys. Take my word on this, I used to be a skeptic atheist heathen, but one day, I got a really bad cold, and I mean coughing, sneezing, the works. So I prayed on it, and a few days later, my cold was gone! Checkmate atheists.
Exactly, And even when it becomes painful to continue your still there.
My dad wasn't supposed to be able to have kids after his radiation and then he had me! It's a miracle! Thanks God.
For me I'd love to see how the world changes over time. Reading history books I would love to have experienced all that change from classical to modernism to post modernism.
I like the part where she's thanking god for not making her require her medication,and forgetting that god made her need the surgery to start with.
Very well put.
It saddens me, though, to see such perfect and well-placed intellectual blows and know that they are only falling on the impervious armor of deaf ears.
the two glassers. epic double team.
almost as epic and jeff and matt.
Any one else find it weird that terrible, bad things are easier to handle and accept without a God?
@CalumGilhooly Prayer does give comfort, there's no denying it. But if you had to choose between a life saving surgery by a medical expert, or 10 hours of intense praying by an evangelical minister, it becomes a no brainer.
God is the last refuge, the last hope of being physically saved, and least useful at that point
(probably more painful too)
Glad you made it back!
I've had excruciatingly painful shingles for the past couple days, but my doctor prescribed me 3g of valacyclovir per day. After taking the medication god has started to clear up the shingles for me. God bless everyone. :D
If you REALLY believe, then EVERYTHING and ANYTHING is proof of the existence of gawd... . . But first jew gotta REALLY believe!
They shouldn't have asked for just something to happen. This is what reinforces believers' beliefs: they ask for something to happen, and then just three days later, they get email from someone they hadn't thought about for a long time!
Instead, they should ask for something specific, and something that chance couldn't provide. "God, if you're out there, please put $50,000 on the table in front of me so that I can donate it to charity."
As I don't have access to this caller's medical history, I have minimal info with which to speculate the nature of the condition resulting in brain surgery. However, as an RN with nearly 20yrs practice, primarily in neurology, I can say that the cortisone the caller recieved is intended to decrease cerebral edema (brain swelling) post-op. Patients are tapered off the med as they recover. Use "for life" is virtually unheard of.
~Kaycee, CNRN, CRRN
What about the kids with cancer who are going to die what did they do wrong
If 'God' reveals himself in ways that can't be distinguished from natural events, then its hard to tell what the difference in having that god and no god at all would be'.
Top all-time show quote!
Yep, mostly fear and incredulity.
Fear of death, fear of size, fear of randomness.
And then a lack of understanding about how things work.
That's the definition of power.
I used to be a devout Roman Catholic. I also suffered from depression from early childhood, which, of course, was never diagnosed. As a firm believer, I used to pray and beg God to take away the pain, and let me feel better. As I'm sure you can guess... Nothing! Eventually, I 'lost my faith' and got proper treatment for my illness. If God exists, he's the sort of creep who likes torturing children
I would suggest Simon Greenleaf, he was the greatest authorities of evidence on ancient History. He was asked to put Jesus Christ to a test, reviewed all the testimonies and all the facts and discarded everything that was inadmissable. Based upon the evidence, he said that the resurrection is established as any event you could ever find in History or any man like Columbus, Caesar and Aristotle in the history books.
Yeah, I understand what you mean, we can agree they are similar terms up to some degree.
But I didn't say "forced", I said "brought up". What I mean by that is that they were raised with the belief. In other words, would you believe in God if your family hadn't taught you about him?
Yeah, yeah, I know some people find him in other ways, but that is out of this context, I am talking right now about how religious people are raised.
"He knows our heart"
Religion to me: The glorification and unmeasured worship of the ego, represented as a super-something.
There are many manuscripts that were found that ALSO PROVES that Jesus and all the books of the bible, manly Matthew , Luke and John was found!
There were actually 500 accounts documented of people seeing Jesus alive after his resurrection and the men were respected, if challenged they could of been persecuted for saying such things I have links but RUclips won't allow me to post them sorry, I posted some other things on this wall so please so read them thank you !
My fiance is EXTREMELY religious and has been asking his god to cure him of obsessive compulsive disorder for decades. And guess what? I end up "praying" for him all the time...as part of his OCD ritual. I'm actually atheist & do it just to make him feel better for a short while. His own FAMILY called it a "demon" in him. He was led to believe his god abandoned him or that he created it with some kind of "sin". Breaks my heart, b/c I love him & hate how religion has fucked him over.
I could but honestly I feel sorry for the guy. Look at the fear in his heart when he types. It reminds me of what it was like when I was a theist and hurts that people Would rather feel fear then free themselves. I feared death once But now I fear nothing. The truth set me free.
I head a headache. And it has gone away. Praise the lord!
« So you'll deal with hell? »
Consider this:
On one side we have you, who defends slavery and genocide and babykilling as morally permissible actions.
On the other side there's us, those who argue or fight against such monstrosities.
Who do you think is going to hell?
I miss keryn glasser. She needs to come back to the show.
« And take their side? »
We don't take your side. We take side with decent people, people who don't defend slavery and genocide and babykilling. We take side with those who are against such things; who are against your beliefs. We take sides with the forces of good combating your evil.
When you're crazy anything is possible. I mean having faith.
Oddly enough there was a fascinating documentary on the BBC a while back regarding decay and recycling. A dead mouse had some of its flesh coded on a molecular level in the form of a dye. This mouse was left to decay in the open air. A few weeks passed, all that was left were a few white bone fragments. Nine weeks later which was by now mid spring some samples of recently appearing plants were tested from the same area...guess what? indeed..part of the mouse was now part of these plants.
@Eskara0 I completely support the right for anyone to believe any idea, no matter how absurd it may be. This is a basic human right.
I also completely support the right for people to debunk, ridicule, and/or dismiss those ideas. This is totally necessary to insure the validity of ideas. It's how we grow our understanding.
Without these rights, we would forever be children, stuck in a world of make-believe fantasies that children so enjoy. If we are to grow, we MUST challenge bad ideas.
1:50 Hydrocortisol, I'm pretty sure that's what she said. That's a skin cream
+Mike Alstatt this says every, Hydrocortisol is used for itching of the outer female genitals and anal itching
+David E It's also used for other regions :) I have eczema that flares up in the winter months and I use it on my legs, arms, and stomach.
i am quite aware that, i have it on my hands ans when my brother was younger he suffered from atopic dermatitis. i was just pointing out that Hydrocortisol that is not used in a life saving as far as I know.
David E It saved my life. Keeps me from literally scratching my skin off. By the way, the woman in the video wasn't speaking of hydrocortisone but rather cortisone. They're 2 different medicines :) one is topical, used to treat skin conditions. The other is an injection used to relieve pain and inflammation particularly in the joints.
i am quite familar with cortisone, i have gotten it into my shoulder because of severe shoulder seperation. And yes you would stop you scratching your skin but it is not fatal. sorry
@BastEternal That's what I was insinuating. If the being demonstrated it's power, and how it created everything from nothing, as if to be our god, then no one would deny it. I didn't mean show itself to one individual -- but to everyone - in public view.
Thanks much, they just seem very comfortable with each other they work rather well good to see.
I think Denise really has the hots for Keryn....every time shes called it's when Keryn is hosting.
well, she is sexy :)
I just love the idea that "God won't appear because it would be a spectacle"... yet supposedly this same deity being born of a virgin, feeding 5,000 with a single fish, turning water into wine, raising the dead, attacking a temple, getting nailed to a cross, and raising from the dead along with all the other dead people in town is... what exactly?
The ability of people to ignore one set of nonsense in favor of another set of nonsense and still believe both at the same time is mind boggling.
That's the Christian mind for you. They tell you to prey to God. When you tell them that you already did, they tell you to mean it. When you tell them that you meant it, they tell you that you must've been insincere. This shit never ends. I was a Christian for 18 years. I prayed MANY times for God to give me a sign & I really meant it. I was in that loving & accepting state when I prayed. You know what I got? NOTHING! That's why I eventually began to question my faith & now I'm happier than ever
That doesn't matter though, no matter what they have it is eternal you would get used to it then eventually bored by it and again there are many other factors you have to take into account as well that you seem to have ignored.
It is amazing how, when we have all these miraculous reports, but whenever we try to test them, they appear, to be false, but yet this god is personal and wanting a relationship, but the deceptiveness in its miracles, which if demonstrated, would save many souls, and the world would change for the better, if such could be demonstrated, are hidden to mislead its creation, to show it wants us not to believe.
Just point to the plethora of examples of suffering and unanswered prayer around the world. At that point he might either renounce belief or reject glorifying a god that allows for suffering. Either way you will have succeeded to a degree. That should give you the best chance at breaking his faith in god in a diplomatic way that allows for him to put two and two together on his own.
When she says there was a "tangible presence" there, the one thing I'm almost sure was not there was a tangible presence.
He takes Zoloft which does help him cope, he says. But we still do the rituals sometimes...just less often than we did before he was on it.
Their amount of logic pleases me.
some people just like to argue. Its easier for them to become satisfied in disgracing Christianity than it is to repent.
I'm just happy i have an understanding in his truth.
Why her god made she sick in first place? Sounds weird a god that makes people sick and cures them only after listening to their prayers.
There was a woman that has a lump on her arm , she was catholic and she had helped me move and had hit it in the process and I layed hands on her and command the lump be healed in Jesus name and it went down right before my eye and then she asked for me to pray for her back, because she could not raise her arms to wash her back and in 3 days God healed her, Jesus isn't a person that does tricks and the bible says that God is NOT MOCKED and there is ALOT OF EVIDENCE of Jesus Christ life
man if i was a time traveling super villain id go around zapping people with lightning bolts whenever they say "if there is a god may he strike me down"
Actually, an eternity seems equally bad for me on either side, regardless where I go. And I think that faith is the death of reason, and reason is the main thing that distinguishes us as humans. Why would God want us to dismiss that main "gift" that he gave us?
"I will provide you with the ability to reason and to question, BUT DON'T YOU DARE QUESTION ME."
If God exists and he is truly just, he will not punish me for using my brain and choosing not to blindly rely on something without evidence.
But You would also need to look at other factors Would you be alone?
would you continue to age? and personally i feel that immortality would cheapen my experiences in life. As a species we live short but full lives. we don't need forever to make life worth living and the fact that life will end one day makes every second of it that much more precocious.
Funny how these stories seem to morph when people are pinned down. I had a comment debate with a guy who claimed a "personal experience". When I suggested he might have misinterpreted it, the experience became (literally) that god took him on a 1.5 hour tour of heaven. When I suggested that he might be delusional, he no, there were 100 fellow parishioners there with him who confirm it. Of course, when I asked how he could be sure god was the source of this experience, he "just knew".
I fail to understand whyreligious people think they are special, its nothing more than a coincidence when something happens that you pray for. As a child, I prayed a lot, and I really needed some serious help, but he never once answered, nor does he answer to millions of starving sick children in the world. What makes one person so special? Why do they believe they have priority and their god loves them more?
Lady: "The doctors told me I couldn't have kids, but I do! A small handful of fallible humans ended up being wrong about 1 thing, therefore God!!!"
My whole point was that faith does not require evidence, and I understood that you meant the opposite, I apologize for the misunderstanding.
I don't imply that in order to trust something you need (according to the definition) evidence, all I'm saying is that we shouldn't trust things blindly. Pretty much, we shouldn't have faith in anything, but instead trust people/things based on reliable evidence.