How The Last Of Us Ruined Gaming!
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- Time to talk about how this very well love game destroyed gaming at the same time
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"Whenever you are playing a game, what do you look for?"
The correct answer is a finished game
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theres some good unfinished games
far cry 2
fallout new vegas
As the other person said, there are good unfinished games. The most important aspect of a video game is whether or not you're having fun or if the game engaging you in. That's it.
I used to play a game on my PS2 called Crash Twinsanity. It's an unfinished mess but it has very solid gameplay to the point I replay it once in a while... because it's fun.
Then there are games like Uncharted 4 which I enjoyed the well written narrative and characters but I only played it once when it came out and have no intention of replaying it because there is nothing enganging about it that makes want to come back. Only if I could wipe out my memory of the game's story.
@@Manic_Panic the "game is good because you have fun" argument is flawed
you need to look at whenever playing the game is worth your time aswell
throwing shit at a wall can be fun but that doesnt make it a worthwhile activity
@@czarnakoza9697 It's a video game, not productive work. What is a video game "worth my time"? What does that even mean?
For example, we know Mario games are liked by many people but why? There is nothing special or groundbreaking about them, though they nail the most important part, they're fun, you could replay them again next year and still enjoy them as much unlike the movie games or games with very weak gameplay.
It seems like you guys are too focused on having the next, most groundbreaking thing rather than enjoying the fun we already have. Too worried about metacritic scores, cinematics, top of the line voice acting, pretty graphics instead of just picking a controller and play something actually enjoyable.
@@Manic_Panic hedonism moment
So, having a developed story is what ruined gaming, not battle passes or loot boxes or live service grind… interesting
He's probably talking about walking simulators
a game can have a developed story with engaging gameplay. see the batman arkham games, sekiro
Games had stories before The Last of Us. The latter is responsible for the Hollywoodification of gaming
@@IAmTheEagleHTM Can you name the games The Last of Us influenced so much please.
The moment games decide to emulate movies instead of being GAMES it was the moment AAA gaming died. Live service slop is just another piece of that cake.
Dude the game came out 11 years ago, now a days the only thing you can find is Battle royals, open world or co-op.
Exactly. I see this video pop up all the time with people complaining about how movie games took over and I'm like "where!?" For every story game currently, there are 10 Metroidvania, Soulslike, Live Service, procedurally generated crafting game, farming sim, survival horror, or some roguelike. Most adventure games are these massive open world RPG's which are not the same as TLOU.
its snoy movie game slop, but I'd argue fortnite ruined the gaming industry more than last of soys did
Nah I tried playing that Death Stranding crap and its terrible ganes should be games. Hate longncutsce es im not a teen anymore I have límited Time.
@@Drstrange3000he is talking about western AAA gaming. You are talking about indie's and japanese gaming designs...
@jplosts ???
I have no idea what you are talking about. I'm talking about Western games.
Games need to be games, not movies
Thank you, tired of these movie like games
Theres nothing wrong with games having cinimatic traits
I dunno Ace attorney existed before the last of us what’s your opinion on that
No! I like cinematic games there are not exactly movies they are something in between tbh. I hate when people say I don't like x you can't like x it's shouldn't exist we only need y which I like. Bruh. I can only agree that we need more diversity in genres, because having only one genre is stupid and boring after some time
Don't play them? You have a choice. Not every game coming out is a "movie" game, infact most games coming out right now are either survival games or live service games.
To be fair Resident Evil 4 popularized the over the shoulder camera style but that’s an amazing game. I loved Ghost of Tsushima and the Horizon games it’s just that PlayStation hasn’t been putting out a wide variety of games with different styles. The same thing would happen if they put out nothing but platformers.
And RE4 also popularized QTEs. Solid of a game it was, it had some awful consequences.
@@HYDEinallcaps Love RE4 to pieces but some of those QTEs still mess me up.
It has more virtues than mistakes
The PlayStation brand really started going downhill when they decided to close Japan Studio which was a studio that put out some really creative and unique first party games like Gravity Rush or Puppeteer. Now Sony won't ever express enthusiasm for a game if it's not a cinematic Oscarbating popcorn title like The Last of Us.
@@Nin10Guy They only truly closed it cause it wasn't making money. I love gravity rush, but no one bought it.
“Ruined” is just outright hyperbolic. What’s ruining games is corporate greed and a huge lack on innovation.
Nah. Narrative novels with minimal gameplay have ruined gaming. Im having more fun playing old action based games or shooters (even though I am a big RPG fan) than I could ever have with games like the ones mentioned in this video.
@@ShepardCommander OK that's your opinion thanks for sharing. please give me 5 examples of 'narrative novels with minimal gameplay' that came out this year/2023
@@jlo9993 He won't be able to answer that lol
@@luccasalomone4063 exactly
@@jlo9993 This. People act like gaming has this problem when we barely have games like that. The obvious "meta" atm is nearly... the opposite. Completely story-free "endlessly replayable" battle royale/season pass/multiplayer/looter shooter nonsense that's just drowning the market, or those "endless hours of the same shit" open world games. In fact, the games with heavy emphasis on story often *still* have a *lot* of gameplay to offer.
The fact we're actually in an age where suddenly people say tlou of all games is ruining gaming just speaks of how completely cynical and trying to be miserable gamers have become.
I play games from 20 years ago. Games from 15 years ago. Games from 10 years ago. Games from 5 years ago. Games that came out this year. Why? Because I stay away from the actual crap - the things I mentioned above. In most other categories, games are still churning out amazing title after amazing title.
The biggest problem imo is that gamers nowadays are so obsessed with every game having to be either as incomprehensible as David Lynch (aka anything done even a bit before ever is bad) or at least as difficult as a fromsoft game.
Or maybe those people are just an obnoxiously loud minority.
Hellblade 2 is more like Dragon’s lair than Devil May Cry
It's actually more like a real life female psychiactric ward.
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pov schizophrenic female
@@JG9RUclips as a schizophrenic i approve. And me too
@@JG9RUclips fucking lol
Dude thought he was cooking but he was only microwaving
Except the microwave wasn’t plugged in
Not an argument, Sonybrony
@@notsoluckybearaikoo Not an argument, Sonybrony
@@notsoluckybearaikooThe amount of people literally defending the last of us is crazy here
The Half Life series is a great example of great gameplay with story as a bonus but the story is showed through the environment because there is no cutscenes
Bioshock did that also
Left 4 dead series did that as well
@@brandonzavala2118 i literally played left 4 dead 2 and had no idea what the fuck is happening in the story besides them finding new ways to get away
@@brandonzavala2118 bro it was an co op shooter
And those scenes FUCKING SUCK. I say this as a lifelong Valve fan who has 100%ed HL2: being locked in a room while people waffle is trash and I would prefer a cutscene I can skip. Naughty Dog's cutscenes are superior no diff, nobody likes to admit that but it's true.
I'm sorry dude but if the over the shoulder camera style ruined days gone for you, I can't take you seriously
Death Stranding is the outlier here. It's made by Hideo Kojima who is a man who ALWAYS pushed cinematic experiences in-game, like the Metal Gear Solid games. It's similar to that - the game has an amazing story and the story really isn't the focus, but instead the focus is the puzzle-like hiking gameplay. I agree with you but let's be accurate on the games being mentioned here.
This guy wouldn't dare to Play mgs and silent hill, because accordingly mgs will be a movie, and silent hill a walking simulator, he didn't play uncharted before even making this video, and is speaking all wikipedia here
@@hemangkorane1797 Silent Hill has way more gameplay and doesn't hold your hand like modern Sony games do dude lmao cope
@@hemangkorane1797 Death Stranding is slow but good, it pave a new genre i think. It has simulator and building element.
"it's not fun, this doesn't make a good game" is a HIGHLY subjective statement. I enjoyed ALL the style of games similar to the last of us or metal gear solid or Detroit become human or telltale games. Sometimes I just wanna lay back, relax, and not think too much, but rather be immersed in a good story where my decisions matter
Actually it's a bit of a misconception. Video games just like music and movies can be objectively bad. However that does not mean that bad games and movies can't still be enjoyed and liked by groups of people.
The quality of movies and games is very concrete as there are many things you have to take into consideration when developing a game or writing a script for a movie.
Example: Say I were to write a script for a movie. I would have no time to put effort into it and I would be complete inexperienced as well. I could litter the movie full of setups and no payoffs along with a couple of characters with no personality traits. That would make for an objectively bad movie.
There are rules and guidelines that apply for good game design just as with movies. Game balance and difficulty curve are just two of them.
passive consumerism
100% a HIGHLY suggestive statement. For me TLOU 1 and 2 is the most fun I've ever had gaming. The stealth and aggressive game play styles make me feel like such a badass and I love having to think critically with my choices to avoid running out of bullets.
Exactly. High subjective. Bro really think his opinions are objective.
@@MangapanNot necessarily. Games and movies cannot be "objectively bad". That's not how shit works.
The market is literally saturated with survival games and live service games, not Last of Us inspiration..
yeah, some games did definitely take too many notes from LOU but it's a bit of a stretch to say it "ruined gaming".
Exactly, this video is just so stupid
Not really. Western gaming is now almost entirely "Emotional Cinematic Experience" slop.
@@johnconnor5157 That's why we're here watching it, right?
@@skybluenerd219 yeah, to remind us there are people trying to manufacture a narrative with stupid takes and unfactual claims.
While I love the last of us I do agree that way too many games have tried copying it
Making an overly cinematic game is good in my opinion if you do it well but like cmon. Theres too many at this point
Problem is that if one thing is very successful then everything will be a cheap imitation of it for the next decade to cash in on the formula. It happened with superhero films and overly narrative based games, and who can forget the cesspool that was YA fiction.
Name 5 games that came our this year that's been cinematic
@@redninja3056 this year has been fine till now, I was talking about the decade after the first last of us. And it's not even about number but the marketing. Even in films other types of films are being made but the ones marketed are just focus group tested safe stuff without any voice.
@@prakharkirtijajoria5314 I promise for every cinematic game you name I could name like 5 more souls likes that's not cinematic, 5 indie games that's not cinematic, and 5 first person shooters or looter shooters or live service games all not being cinematic so no compared to most types of games cinematic games don't have that much in comparison, it's simply a genre that's been done badly and done well just like any other
So this is new trend, complaining about cutscenes like if old RPG Snes games for example didn't have super long "cutscenes", or if MGS didn't do this in 1998, much more than TLOU.
This new generation of younger players like to say these non-sense things like this video as if they wanted to prove something, like if they were "old school" and because complaining about some popular games is "cool" and all.
Complaim less and play more, apreciate the game for what it is.
People have been saying i just dont get god of war and that im shallow. I still say the scene where kratos gives up calliope in chains of olympus was deeper than all of god of war ragnarok
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@@theostrowskibrothers3068 I don't know what the pepper means?
Sure that scene is good but ragnarok is great growth for a character like Kratos after everything that he’s been through
Actually feels like he regressed, like he's afraid of his own power.
@@MrManfhis He's older and wiser in every way possible and he grew into an actually complex character that isn't just really angry. You coulnd't be more wrong in saying that he regressed.
Gamers are ruining gaming for themselves because they can't step outside their tiny western AAA bubble.
I've been gaming for 28 years and I'm still not tired of it. But that's because I avoid playable movies and AAA open world slop like the plague. I also make sure that at least one of my platforms is the latest Nintendo console, just for the variety.
I like how you say this as if Elden Ring and Baldur's Gate 3 never happened. Hate to break it to you, but Sony exclusives only make up a fraction of what's available today
Once again you people attack on good games and praise bad games that you suffer and lose in it and there is no fun in it like literally the soulsborn from software games and every single hard core video games that you lose and die over and over and over again and have no fun with it
@Nooneishereonlyme What game have I attacked? Also, if you keep losing in a Fromsoft game, that's on you bro. Not the game
Same here, I play mostly JRPGs, Mega Man, Souls games, and old Nintendo titles on emulators.
Gaming is still as fun as it was when I was a kid, the problem is that gamers buy into the hype instead of the quality!
@@mrfuriousnerd1127 Elden Ring and Baldur's Gate 3 aren't AAA; AAA describes the corporate backing of a project, not how popular it is.
"The Last of Us ruined gaming because I don't like new God of War"
Lol basically
despite the GoW 2017 (and not ragnarok) was great
uncharted 4, hzd, hfw, days gone, death stranding, spider-man, alan wake 2, ff16, hellblade 1/2
@@AMG_gang
Death Stranding is a open world game about deliveries nothing like TLOU.
There were 3 Uncharted games before TLOU, Uncharted 4 is just a sequel to 3 made by the same company as TLOU.
Spider-Man plays nothing like TLOU.
Alan Wake came before TLOU.
You mentioned TWO Horizon games which of course, play nothing like TLOU.
Final Fantasy 16 (wtf) is nothing like TLOU in any way.
Days Gone is a open world game focused on horde clearing, the only similarity to TLOU is that they are "zombie games" which TLOU did not invent.
I give you Hellblade, that was probably inspired by TLOU.
This is HILARIOUS, those are the games that TLOU ruined?
@@homem-pobre all have boring walking sections that shouldn’t exist in games, your point?
@@AMG_gang Are you lost or something?
This video claims TLOU is responsible for "ruining gaming" when that is clearly not the case.
My comment is a response to that as God of War was mentioned in the video.
Also that's just your opinion, to me you mentioned some great games.
The way i see it, a bigger problem with AAA gaming is how asthetically repetitive they have become.
There is nothing unexpected anymore, no new control mechanics you have to figure out, no interesting new visual styles, no new storytelling methods, no compelling gameplay beyond the usual AAA slop.
Elden ring is one of the few atypical AAA games that actually felt new and it's basically souls+ in an open world setting.
Playing a new AAA experience today, you will never have anything that you haven't found familiar in RE4 or TLOU. Neither game is bad, but it's the game feel with all of the novelty and nuance removed for RE4 all the interesting gameplay is gone and for TLOU all the character development and dynamics are thrown out for generic cliches and tasteless melodrama instead.
It feels like it's just the same crap rehashed over and over again without further developments or anything new.
AAA has been kinda meh for very long ass time. AAA just doesn't innovate, in general it does not. There are few exceptions but not nearly enough. That is why I keep having far more fun with AA and small budget games and occasionally enjoy a few AAA when they make something good.
"Elden ring is one of the few atypical AAA games that actually felt new"
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA NO WAY. Please be joking 😂😂😂😂
Shit is the most old hate, rinse and repeat soulshit 💀Third person action adventure is about as fresh as Joe Biden.
@@spugelo359 Yeah true even back then, the SNES had so much slop Megaman ripoff platformers or the Final Fantasy clones. Usually there will always be one innovative game in a sandfield of copies that will be the platonic ideal for the ones of its kind-
@@spugelo359 Did you play games in the 90's and 00's? I don't know what you consider a long time, but there were tons of amazing games in the triple A market up until around 2010.
"Good Story telling"
Shows us Sonic unleashed
Good joke bro🤡
You really have bad taste in story telling huh
Jokes on you, Sonic Unleashed has a nice story
spoken like someone who hasn't played unleased
Telltale's Walking Dead had even less gameplay, and it was amazing. This type of genre has its place in the gaming world and it shouldn't affect other genres. Although, I do agree that its not good when they do reboots and sequels and they change the gameplay completely. I absolutely love story-driven games, but I agree that the gaming industry is turning into hollywood, focusing more on cutscenes and motion-capture acting (probably because it is easier to make and since people are lazy nowadays, they find it easier to watch most of the game, rather than having to put some effort to play it).
It's a point and click choose your own adventure game, tf do you expect? Clearly i was expecting too much when i wanted ND to evolve their Gears Of War type gameplay, but at least i got my wish with Uncharted 4. How does TLOU justify gameplay outside of being a poor mans Gears Of War? Genuine question too, I'm still trying to figure out if it's more successful as a show than a game so if you're a fan then your answer matters
@@XpertGreekGamer The story is great. Even the gameplay was interesting since I played on grounded difficulty. I had to resort only on stealth and nelee weapons, and also bottles and bricks, and since the ammunition and scrap material was scarce, you literally had to look for it throughout the game. Used firearms very rarely, so overall it was a good survival experience.
@@inceptionsd sa less complicated version of New Vegas and Resident Evil ik, idk about its status as a show tho. Can't find anywhere online if it's objectively better as a show or the other way around, what worked best for people but also fans
@@XpertGreekGamer tlou shooting is really really nice but then they give you like 3 bullets and you have to scower the map (path) for ammo and rags
Telltale TWD is a completely different genre entirely. Those are point and click adventure games ala Monkey Island.
The problem with these games is not the over the shoulder camera angle but the fact that 50% of the game is just walking or some other form of exposition dump or whatever. Implying that these games would be better if instead of just holding forward, you held right or left or down as well for extended periods of time seems foolish. I know that’s probably not what you were trying to say, but just be aware it sounds like that.
It really feels like games these days have watered down just so normies that never play video games can play them.
Sure, there's only 19 buttons and a touchpad on a standard PS controller now, and every one of these games probably uses every single gameplay related one for multiple actions, in multiple contexts, but because they're "cinematic" it's watered down... Like they're mobile games or something.
Okay? What’s wrong with that? They’re just trying to appeal to a wide audience. What’s wrong with that.
@@mal7182 If you appeal to everyone you appeal to no one.
@@mal7182they dont appeal to an audience wide enough to surround your mother
@@futurestorytellerif u think pressing a bunch of buttons makes for good gameplay i can give u a link to order some fidget toys
When you mentioned how people think that fixed camera angles and quick time events were dated on God of War. That gave me flashbacks to what some people think about Resident Evil
two ahtes I really don't get, a fixed camera angle allows for some wonderfull visuals and quick time events can be fantastic if done right.
@@toongrowner1 I know it also provides more tension in a horror game. Because you have a very limited camera it fills you with a sense of dread as you don't know what's around the next corner and it's very chlaustrophobic.
Resident evil 1 remastered is amazing
This is such an idiotic video. When I first played Last of Us when it was released in 2013, what made it so great wasn't the "camera" . It was the storytelling and its innovative slower, semi-realistic and visceral gameplay. The over the shoulder third person camera was already a popular thing since like 5 years prior with games like Gears, Mass Effect, Assassins Creed, Uncharted and Batman. And if you go further back, we had many popular cinematic focused third person games with lots of cutscenes. Shadow of Colossus, Syphon Filter, James Bond, Splinter Cell, Mafia, Hitman. I mean heck, if you play GTA games since GTA3 and only play the main missions, you basically have a linear cinematic third person game on the same vein as Last of Us.
Plus, most people seem to forget the Last of Us had an incredible multiplayer mode called Factions. It was basically a battle royale game before it was even a thing.
It´s really wild how he keeps focusing on the camera as if thats what makes the gameplay the gameplay lol
He keeps calling the games movie games as if combat doesn´t exist or level design, or even exploration (which i can understand for some games like TLOU but... Days Gone? Horizon? God of War? all of those games are open levels and open worlds with a big focus on exploration.
I guess we need games without story telling or any sort of cinematics for video maker to be satisfied lol Ironically making gaming less varied
Totally, I mean I'm just half the video and the only thing I understand is that he wants a game that continuously have game play, I bet that if will be ever a game that only has random good gameplay without story or telling why he would love it, is just like he likes gameplay and doing something all the time, he doesn't like pauses. TLOU is ab amazing game and it's successor is even better in my opinion. Gow just keeps getting better even after the reboot. Etc
@@salo37 the only thing I think they should improve is replayability, in GOW it's way worse, between having to go through tight spaces (which is a thing I wish was dead, because it serves nothing but delay the story and gameplay) and having to go through all of Ironwood again (why isn't there an option to skip?). But other than that, the new GOWs are great
@@miguelsalamanca2813I actually do talk about the combat of TLOU at 6:56
Visceral gameplay?
You mean two minutes of clicking on an enemy after 40 minutes of movie?
Elden Ring is an example of a game putting gameplay first, and you trickle the story in at the players pace, and wow them in a way theyre discovering the world for themselves, not because of a scripted or linear path. You can have those wow spectacle moments but not slack on the gameplay. A player driven experience can also be a narratively driven one, if done right.
I agree, but not entirely: in terms of storytelling, From Software has never been exactly good at it. The story of the world around you is only ever interesting if you actively search for it, and while it's important to have gameplay first (after all, Elden Ring is indubitably a masterpiece), a dark fantasy RPG world *should* have an engaging story. And story it has, but no storytelling- or rather, in the form of item descriptions and online lore searches, which ruin the atmosphere of living everything with personal experience.
Regardless, I agree with the general sentiment
@@rubber161 I second this. I get the appeal of learning new story and lore beats that are told in indirect ways that the player has to put special effort on, and discussing the lore with the community is fun. But only if it's used as a bonus. The problem with FromSoftware games is that is their main storytelling technique, and they barely use anything else. That creates a constant emotional barrier between the player and the world. How the hell are you supposed to form an emotional connection with a character by reading about something they went through in the description of a ring? That's just "Tell, don't show" with extra steps. At best, it feels like I'm studying the world as an archeologist, not experiencing an actual story.
@@XanderVJ Exactly. Which, like you said, can be super interesting- if there is a storytelling that *makes* it interesting to purposefully seek and discover these descriptions. Ultimately, From's games have a great story-writing but a very poor story-*telling*
Tbh I'm not interested in souls games
@@rubber161 i don't agree. fromsoft has mesmerizing gameplay instead of a story, which is what i prefer. i don't need a narrative type game story in my fromsoft game, it's excessive and not necessary.
story is like fat on edge of a steak. some might prefer but i don't, i prefer a lean cut like from gives us
Wrong, the over the shoulder game style has been around since 2005 with resident evil 4, and then gears of war did the same thing. Neither tlou or naughty dog are responsible for companies not making an effort on their games. It's like blaming Rockstar for making popular sandbox games like gta and now you see it on a lot of games
Are the "movie games" in the same room as us right now? I only see looter shooters and live service games at the moment and I could puke.
I think u jus have a low attention span 💀
Right 😂 this guy sounds dumb
That title was peak clickbait. Greed and live service killed the industry, not a narrative heavy game.
I guess you've never played Resident Evil 4 in 2005...
RE4 isn't close to be a "movie" with some gameplay
If that's how far we're going to go back to, we might as well put all the blame on Valve with Half-Life 1 and Konami's Metal Gear Solid.
It's trash imo but it was still very gameplay driven.
@@peacecraft9354 RE4 is one of the best games ever made
@@moycorbin4750 Oh, but Days Gone is?
Wait till bro finds out tlou has combat encounters😭🙏
6:56
@@Supercon613thanks
@@au_fish13something56 no prob 👍🏻
Yes, you can tell by the very subtly placed barricades.
@@Supercon613get rid of the god damn popping sound in your videos it's fucking unnecessary and such a god awful stupid fucking sound some people have hyperacusis or misophonia and they hate that sound can't even watch the fucking video now
The video game market is saturated with unfinished buggy mess, live service games no one asked for, microtransactions within a game you already bought, woke agenda for "modern audiences" and beautiful games with realistic graphics but with garbage storyline and characters.
I don't know. I feel like theirs's room for both styles personally. If anyone does feel fatigued with modern gaming I can certainly understand. The way I personally avoid the fatigue is to go back and fourth between playing newer games and older titles, sure the transition can be jarring at times but it keeps it fresh.
People treat videogames like politics. If it doesn't follow there works view it should be destroyed or disappear into irrelevantcy.
Not a good take lol. The gameplay in The Last Of Us along with its graphics, soundtrack and atmosphere is why it’s so good.
This is stupid!
Having fun, being entertained, and being intrigued can all work together or separately.
YOU ARE NOT THE ARBITER OF WHAT IS OR WHAT IS NOT A GOOD GAME!
Your opinion is less than nothing.
It’s simply your preferred style.
Broaden your mind
I hate to say this because at this point is a freaking cliche but.....go touch grass bro
The man explained his points very well, and yet there are people in the defensive in the comments because you can't say bad things about the Sony slop.
Well, Atleast Some Of Us are Not Blind. Aside from Marvel Spider-Man 2018, Rachet & Clank Rift Apart ... I don't recall any Game From Sony that is not a BackShot Walking Sim
Oscar bait is absolutely a problem
It partly rose from the insecurity of some game devs not having their art form taken seriously by longer established art forms - film, being the main one. Also, there was a time when adults (and late teens) who played video games were considered lame and/or immature. And then you have those who couldn't succeed in their moviemaking endeavors decide to pursue game dev. Kojima is probably the most successful example.
I respectfully disagree. I actually enjoy this type of gaming. I play for the interactive story and I have a lot of fun with the gameplay. It's just a different style. Different things are liked and disliked by different people. To say that TLOU ruined gaming is in my opinion a very subjective thing to say. I think its just the times. And yes, a lot of people enjoy this gaming and the developers will do what makes them money.
Personally, I enjoyed The Last of Us, but I will admit, it can be tedious sometimes. The sequel was what ruined it. Won’t judge anyone if you do like it.
don't worry, i will
can't call it a game if you're playing a movie
@@ryszakowySuck a dick i absolutely loved last of us 2 ❤
@@solidsnake21 tf? you can just go search "last of us 2 stealth" on here and see one the most fluid and immersive third person gameplay out there
tlou2 was great in terms of gameplay and visuals, i just didn't like the characters, they got joel killed and forced us to play as a corny 18 years old lesbian girl, uncool naughty dog
Everyone has their own preference.
I love the intense storyline of naughtydog games.
I agree. I’m very interested in stories, but there is fun gameplay Nintendo games.
You’re wrong tho
@@JC-hi8fkOpinion can’t be wrong lol.
I think the point is how many games put the narrative first instead of gameplay
"....the intense storyline of naughtydog games" 🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂
Some people just don’t like gaming anymore
Yeah, most game developers specifically. They're more interested in using gaming to push a sociopolitical message.
@@AdoreYouInAshXIbro you need to get a life. Your way too upset about video games focus on getting a girlfriend or something
Bro isn’t onto something he’s on something
Fun fact in game development if the game has even any story the story concept has to be done first
Since the story is what you have to make assets for Stories are usually written before proper development
Thanks, will keep that in mind
Last of Us didn''t ruin video games by making them more linear, I think that the PS4 era was most known for the huge amounts of open world games, like Horizon Zero Dawn, BOTW, MGS V, Assasins Creed and so on. The over the shoulder thing was a gameplay design choice that was around since pretty much gaming started, it was neither popularized nor invented by The Last of Us.
Dude, we are tired of quicktime events and fixed camera was a massive problem in Devil May Cry.
How old are you?
Are you talking to me
@@skybluenerd219 you feel offended, so yes.
@@johnconnor5157 i am?
@@skybluenerd219 yes. If you wanna fight drop your location. If you want to have a conversation, respond with an opinion. That’s the only choices you’re getting here
@@robbylebotha oh okay sweet
I hate movie games.
Kid spotted
@@3ulld4wg20 zoomie spotted
@husky6672 same...if the story can't be kept to an opening cutscene and only coming back at a bare minimum I want nothing to do with it, and the very few cutscenes better have comedic dialog!
I want to toss my two cents into this as well. One thing I find fascinating is how people think Kojima should have been a movie director instead, because his games are so cinematic. However, I tend to digress. Kojima is perhaps one of the "movie game" directors out there who actually seems to respect the gaming medium to the point that his games tell stories and events which movies or TV shows never could. I know *Death Stranding* is very divisive, but you can't argue that it plays like any other game out there, unlike "The Last of Us" style games which basically just come down to a boring "walk forward and listen to dialogue" thing, which got old very quickly for me.
I appreciate Kojima's game design epically death stranding
@@Snake_eyes0 true
I gotta disagree. Metal Gear Solid games had excessive cutscenes that dragged 1000 times longer than either Last of Us game. Maybe you preferred its premise over Last of Us or the setting, but the fact that Kojima enjoyed wasting your time with cinematics, can't be ignored.
mgs4 last cutscene is literally 2h movie
@@Misty25939 its personal taste, fairly simple
If someone says "This looks like a fun game...to watch" you're doing something wrong. I've said this myself watching clips of the new God of Wars and the FF7 remakes.
And yet they were recieved well by audiences. Must be doing something right.
If someone says "This movie had great... sound design" you're doing something wrong...
@@bolg892 You're conflating popular with good, the Jurassic World movies were successful but they're made of ass.
General audiences are morons.
Most people find it great, though lol this is mostly the opinions of the minority. Doesn't mean there isn't criticisms, but it's not objectively bad.
For me personally I really lost interest in both god of war and FF7 remake. The first new god of war was fun at first but I got really bored playing. The story was fantastic but that just met I started watching clips on RUclips instead of playing it.
Same for FF7 remake. I found it clunky and just not fun to play, so the story and characters weren’t enough to keep me playing when I could just watch it instead.
Whoa, super Mario Bros , super Mario Bros 2, super Mario Bros 3 and super Mario world play uniquely different from each.
English SMB2 or Japanese (AKA The Lost Levels)?
Sonic fan talking about how LOU ruined gaming is the funniest shit ever
Deltarune fan
True atleast someone has IQ here
I thought the gameplay of Ragnarok was more fun than any prior God of War game (especially the Berzerker fights).
What a royal waste of my time💀
So essentially, TLOU being soo good that other companies tried to replicate it = BLAME THEM FOR RUINING GAMING!
He doesn’t have a good argument against The Last of Us style of gameplay. Just filler for clicks and content
TLOU was a good 'experience' not a 'game', and it worked for that particular 'video game' only, but everybody else tried to replicate it, to the point that now games no longer feel like games but movies.
@@_I_Blue well this is factually incorrect. It has worked for many other games, some came out even before TLOU.
just because some could not replicate the same commercial success does not mean they were bad games.
Also, TLOU was in fact a good game. a VERY good game.
The video could basically be summed up as: a completely exaggerated claim and an extremely superficial comparison focused on a single game (and considering that you only used early parts of GoW 2018, it's obvious that your comparison didn't delve into elements such as combat and exploration, just some narrative elements and the camera angle). In fact, if you want to blame someone, blame RE4 2005, it was RE4 that popularized all these elements present in this game
His video is literally just about PlayStation first party games. He’s says it’s the industry but all his examples are just PlayStation first party games. That’s like .01% of the industry
@@EggEnjoyer that's what I noticed too.
@@EggEnjoyer And he only uses GoW 2018 as an example, which makes it worse, as Sony usually releases 2 or more AAA per year, that is, it is not even 5% of PlayStation Studios games since 2013-2024
Or maybe the naughty dog developers took the best possible medium for storytelling and decided to make a brilliant story with it ? You all are forgetting how good gaming is for telling great stories. Personally I become more attached to characters im either playing as or playing alongside sure there are cutscenes but how else are they gonna tell these stories you smooth brains lmaooo also 2 hours cutscenes to a nice 12-14 hours of gameplay ain’t a bad ratio.
A generic story isn't brilliant
@@redfoxbennaton a generic story told in the best way possible is a brilliant story.
microtransactions battle royale fatigue and cgi trailers???? pffft nahh last of us obviously ruined gaming
they're going down a pipeline to find reasons to hate anything people love, dude says GOW 2018 didn't suit kratos but he's the first person I've ever seen say that
@@princepeachfuzz yeah.
You are wrong about pretty much everything here. You are entitled to your own personal taste in games though.
4:05 Sonic Forces Reference?!?!?!? 🤯
God of war is a masterpiece
Totally agree.
@@Lord_Kratos69 Red dead redemption 2 is a masterpiece
@@SavageJD999they're both masterpieces
then you haven't played god of war 3
Bro you're 1000% right! I remember i was laughing at a friend for playing Pikmin (Nintendo GameCube) then he decided to make me play it just for one 30mns it was so Captivating that i had to create my own save profile as well. Since this time i never judge a book by its cover.
You are TRUE Gamer Buddy. Massive Respect and Hats Off.
It Takes a immeasurable Bravery going against the Sony and its Blind Cult Followers.
The over the sholder camera itself is not the problem, plenty of games have delivered great gameplay using this camera style. I think the word you are looking for is "walky talky gameplay style".
Yeah, I think he means games that focus more on the narrative experience than on gameplay elements/mechanics. Show (play), don't tell. Player choice in conversations makes the narrative sections of some games more "gamey" in that there's player interaction during the storytelling. Games are inherently about being an interactive entertainment experience and less a passive one.
Sorry man, it all started with cinematic experiences becoming popular under casuals. Then Fortnite came out and now there's a SHITSTORM of braindead people and live services. Luckily one failing more than the other. SUPPORT INDIES FOR CHRIST SAKE! VOTE WITH YOUR DAMNED WALLET! THIS VIDEO DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING AT ALL!!!!
Live-service, freemium, battle passes, and gacha-esque monetization did worse for gaming.
This is why the Devil May Cry series got like a lot of god-tier gameplay and the story is balanced enough that the fanbase wouldn’t mind a Vergil spinoff game.
Honestly, i am more of a story guy, i like reading books, watching movies, tv shows, dramas, documentaries, good RUclips videos and well... Playing games, all for the stories, i am sucker for stories and gaming is the only form where the story can be "interactive" and not just an one sided consumption
Yeah me too, that's why I feel a bit surprised some people don't vibe with GOW, like in terms of storytelling that's such a flawless experience...
What games did you find had the most compelling storylines?
@@PriyansuBhagabati People who hate "movie games" are just small minded. Real gamers play more than just 1 genre.
Only take away from this video is that you dont like over the shoulder, narratively driven games. Also the jabs at death stranding is low hanging fruit at this point. I get that game isnt everyone's cup of tea, but the gameplay has a lot of depth to it. Kojima gives the player so many tools to play with.
Sonic 2 Poster on the wall, you’re a real one bro 👊
@@Sb129Gaming gonna get that 3rd one later this year soon 👊🏻
Did you actually play Horizon, Days Gone, and the other games that you mention that are "over the shoulder" type?
From what you have explained with the "Turn the controller back and the character faces you", those games can also do that.
Also kinda weird for you to compare them to TLoU since they have way more intense gameplay and freedom.
Literally nothing in this video convinced me why those games are like the "over the shoulder" game like TLoU.
Alan Wake is the exception because even the first game was story driven and the gameplay improved since the first to be more survival horror
I don’t understand why you think the newer god of war games have “mediocre” gameplay.
I’ve heard this point multiple times and I really think that if you think that you’re probably the type of person who ignored the skill tree completely and just spammed attack and dodge and trial and error’d yourself through the game.
The gameplay is actually surprisingly deep with enemies that adapt to your weapons to keep you switching between them, ways to juggle enemies in the air, more defensive and ranged weapons like the draupnir spear, difficult parrying systems, different shields for different gameplay styles, interesting puzzles that encourage you to think with elements and blending them with magic, cool gear which directly impacts your fighting style I could go on but I don’t think I need to.
Also you think a camera angle and a good story ruined gaming more than outrageous monetisation, short deadlines and out of touch corporate CEO’s?
I like your editing style and your sense of humour but aside from that this video is kinda bad. Keep going though I can see potential here for a great channel!
This video premise should be directed at Sony first party titles and not the industry as a whole, because we had plenty of titles that prioritize gameplay by literally everyone else. Sure some others copy that movie game style, such as HellBlade 2, but i honestly can't say they are the majority, not at all.
Also over the shoulder camera doesn't make a title a movie game. RE4, Gears of War and Vanquish all feature such a camera and they are all very gameplay focused.
The "Last of Us Effect" is simply expanding the medium, not removing the essence of what makes video games good. People define and experience "fun" differently which is why this argument can fall apart.
MGS successfully did that in 1998 without ACTUALLY removing what makes a game, a game. Easiest example, Psycho Mantis boss fight. What's an example from TLOU that showcases how the devs took full advantage of the fact that it's a video game?
@@XpertGreekGamer You're glossing over the question: "what makes a game a game?". As someone who has a love for storytelling, a video game akin to The Last of Us offers a narrative experience only possible in a game. One where a person can partially control the pacing, choose how they want to approach the world, and explore many scattered details that greatly enhance the world building. I find this "walking sim" experience to be incredibly fulfilling and not needing to be stretched out as an identity in terms of its gameplay. I also have a love for games with extremely stimulating gameplay. Fulfilling, but in a different way and appealing to a different part of the brain. I just don't understand why these different types of games can't coexist being equally valuable.
@@sculby What value does TLOU bring to this medium? What is the USP of TLOU? Again what advantage does TLOU take of the fact that it's a video game?
A game has gameplay, Bubsy 3D is a game. Now that i answered your question, it's time you answer mine
@@XpertGreekGamer I already stated the value. The game is targeted to a person like me who has a love for storytelling. Again, a game like TLOU offers a "narrative experience only possible in a game." I justified this earlier with points. Adding a different style of gameplay would ultimately stretch a game like TLOU thin. This is because, considering the purpose of the game, it would break immersion. Like I said, different games appeal to different parts of the mind. The definition of a game does not have to be so rigid as to exclude people like me. What makes a game a game is cultivating an experience unique to the medium of gaming, and we are still discovering how vast this could be.
@@sculby so the average consoomer that settles for mediocrity ok we get it
Just stop making woke, sociopolitical agenda pieces and calling them "video games" and I'll be happy...
there are so many games with deep stories and good gameplay that are old games like okami, kingdom hearts, metal gear solid, fallout new vegas, legend of zelda twilight princess, silent hill 2. I don't get why people think the last of us changed everything
so you don't like cinematic games, so that ruined gaming as a whole ?
just stop being to negative, there are plenty of indie and even AAA games that prioritize gameplay over story.
people these days are so negative, all they wanna talk and hear about is how something sucks or something ruined everything. this is the exact reason people like synthetic man get so much views. people passionately "love" to hate everything.
First off, yes I’d be considered as a Kojima Stan, and Eminem Stan but that’s different. And I’m not blind to the faults in his games but to call him a rip off of the last of us is a long shot. From the very start of Metal Gear series, has been about the story with gameplay that pushes the system. Take metal gear: solid and metal gear solid: snake eater, and you can find insane details with crazy gameplay that pushes the limits. He made a playable trailer that was more scary than most horror games. Which resident evil 7 took. Lastly it’s about what people look for in a game that drives the industry.( yes it can be sad, like loot box, micro transactions, and live service) right now it’s about story telling and soul-rip offs (some bad/ some good.) if it’s not for you, show your support to the games you do like. Proving to game companies what they should make. ITS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY.
FF7 has some of the greatest gameplay and story of all time in 1997 and the game looked like polygons. And they did it again in 2024 with FF7 Rebirth having again, some of the best gameplay and storytelling in any game I’ve ever played. It’s possible
You're right, you're absolutely right. But you misspelled FFT. :^)
Bro There is something called reality too not all grown man wants to play your shitty fantasy bullshit
7:59 there are many I can think of
Bulletstorm
MGS 4
Metal Gear Rising
Guitar Hero 6
Prototype
Infamous
Tony Hawk's Project 8
Red Dead Redemption
GTA IV
GTA V
Dragon Ball Xenoverse 1
Skate
Saints Row 2
Saints Row 3
Yeah PS3 catalog was amazing
Resistance, Uncharted, God of War 3, GTA 4, Blur, Sonic Unleashed etc..
@@AB-fr2ei ...Killzone, Motorstorm, Sly Cooper, Rachet and Clank, Jak, Dead Space...
Basically you’re mad that different kinds of games exist? Elden ring dropped and won game of the year. The most popular games are fast paced first person shooters.
So for the sake of making 20 minute rage content, it’s a cool topic. But in reality, 99% of games still don’t have the play style described in the video. PlayStation first party games are like .01% of games
My man living in nostalgia
@@uzeenrai what’s the nostalgia?
Over the shoulder camera? You mean 3rd person bro? Its literally existed since the beginning of 3D games. You werent alive when Tomb Raider was first released right?
Honestly I think that the new God of War combat works great, it is visceral and very "heavy", the problem is that it would have worked better if the camera took like 4 steps behind, allowing you to actually see your surroundings
But…the games you mentioned are GREAT games though. I can’t agree that God of 2018 and Ragnarok gave mediocre gameplay. And Horizon gameplay is downright FANTASTIC! The games that you enjoy seemed to be specifically hack-n-slash. And they have their place in gaming, just like the story driven games gave theirs
Yeeeah. It's hard to take someone's gaming opinion seriously when the vast majority of their content is covering Sonic and Mario shit
@@Undertow207 god of war?
I'm always suspicious of adults that mainly play mascot platformers made for children
@@Supercon613 What about it?
@@Supercon613 Bro's channel is 98% Sonic and Mario content and brings up God of War 💀
Bioshock infinite did the dual protagonist thing way vetter than the last of us because it still has good gameplay and world
I like the last of us gameplay.
Bioshock Infinite is a phenomenal game. It may have ditched its immersive sim roots, but it's still my favourite in the trilogy.
And Infinite was a heavily watered down and casualized version of Bioshock, which was a heavily watered down and casualized version of System Shock 2. Bad example to use.
Gaming’s been going downhill ever since pong 😔
pong is fun
Nah mate, it's all been downhill since Tennis For Two
That thing you’re talking about with the camera, that originated with Resident Evil 4. RE4 shook the world of third person shooters when it released. So much so that that’s what inspired Gears of War’s combat, and that’s where the inspiration for The Last of Us’s camera came from.
If you think death stranding, days gone, last of us, ghost of tshushima, spider-man 2018, god of war 2018 all look same then you are just blind.
Just say it is not for you and move on.😅
They have much in common
In death strandings defense it actually uses movement as the foundation in its gameplay which pretty much no other Sony game does, it’s very cinematic but that has always been kojimas style.
God of War is the perfect example when it comes to the topic, it has all the symptoms of what The Last of Us spread into the industry. I never thought moving a dumpster around to pass a 1 meter wall would be re-used and adapted in a God of War game. If only this was the only stuff taken from TLOU...
The last of us was archaic in game design. The 2 does the same thing, which makes matters worse...
I am currently playing the last of us remastered for the first time and i gotta say, i am loving it! People complaining about the story being important is plain stupid. I agree with gameplay being important, but if you dont want to play a story driven game, then just dont play a story driven game. 💀
edit: for the tiktok brainrot kids that want the short version of this comment:
if gameplay is important for you, don't play story driven games :/
The problem is that ever since the Last of Us, practically all we’ve been getting from AAA single player games is playable movies.
@@Enigma75614 Not all of them are like that. All im saying is that it's quite dumb to complain about story being the main focus, in a STORY driven game. /:
19:51 Sonic Frontiers to be honest, that was my favorite game of 2022
Same
I loved it until island 3 when it felt like they ran out of budget lol. The islands after the second were either completely lifeless, recycled or both. The bosses were also shockingly easy after the second one which was tough. Getting sucked into sidescrolling sections on the islands. It had potential and I'm excited to see how they can build and improve on it.
This video actually made me realize how wonderful Team Ico really was, their games was always get to the point and don’t drag on the story for too long but also have mysteries that would puzzle fans for 2 decades
10:06 except Hideo Kojima (the producer for death stranding) loves cinema and has been using cinematic shots, long cutscenes, and boring segments (for example, the ladder scene in metal gear solid 3) for about 15 years beforehand. I do understand the vitriol against the over-the-shoulder camera, though.
Your argument started catching dust once you showed forbidden west.
the horizon games, days gone
his argument of "over the shoulder" games dont even make sense when he doesnt include GTA and RDR in them, when those two series are the biggest walking and driving simulators of all time (and they are damn fucking good at it!)
@@veilzahkaay9419 And Resident Evil, Dead Space. All the games TLOU is drawing inspiration from...
@@veilzahkaay9419 Probably because there's far more gameplay than walking or driving in them? Have you ever played either??
What you forget is that not everyone wants the intense gameplay of the sonic and OG gow games. Many people, me included, want to experience the game world by just taking it all in. It's something that immerses you with the world more than a movie could ever do. Not every game has to be 100% action oriented.
The most sold game in the God of War series is 2018 by a mile followed by Ragnarok people simply prefer the new ones
This kid clearly doesnt actually know what hes talking about. He's young and into retro games. But he wasn't around when these old games were new.
@@ruok3351 You're right. I'm 17 and grew up with a PS4. I enjoy retro games purely for what they are today, and don't have nostalgia for them. That doesn't change the fact that TLoU and GoW3 are two completely different games. Basically what the guy in this video is saying is that the gameplay of TLoU is objectively bad. But gamers have different tastes, and it's sad to see that so few actually respect that.
@@kingbacon2937 I'm also talking about this channel poster. Not you. A lot of his points lack wisdom. Just because he likes old games doesn't mean they were "real games" and current games are not games anymore. It's silly. Back then we could only wish our games had realistic graphics and cutscenes. Now that we do, suddenly some kids don't like them? The word to describe people like OP is a snob. But he's young. He'll grow out of it.
@@ruok3351 Oh. Sorry for my misconception. I completely agree with you.
This is a particular reason why i still love Valve, even in their "cutscenes", they follow a philosophy of never taking control away from the player, a pretty good example is the whole Half-Life series so far, there's no loading screens that take you out of the game, and the whole games are played in one straight line, it's like you're going through the experience of the whole game in real time with Gordon
And it sucks. I love HL2, I have every achievement. But those parts? They suck. TLOU mops the floor with HL2 in that regard and several others, but people are too hiveminded to say it.
What about games with microtransactions, loot boxes and battle royals? The stories are more detailed nowadays, so they can reach the casual gamers as well. Just because you are the kind of person that wants only action without exposition in video games, this doesn't mean that Last of Us ruined gaming.
Check the market now. Most of the games that are released have multiple DLCs at outrageous prices, microtransactions are involved, and they also have bad gameplay.
I personally like Last of Us and Uncharted type games. Heck I like games where story comes first. That being said, I also like JRPG games, CRPGs, action / adventure games, hack & Slash, city builders, racing games, first person shooters, 3rd person shooters, dance games, Metroidvania games etc. My point is, there is a world for all these type of games. I hate the argument of "this is not a video game" as though Crash Banicoot wasn't mostly just holding forward and pressing X and the correct moments.
I hate this argument also, it's like, you can't have fun, this is not a videogame, because of you gaming is dying etc
Just commented the exact same thing lol, I agree fully. These are different games for different types of people. Not everyone likes “movie-games” and that’s fine because a lot of other people do. There’s clearly a market for it or TLOU, Uncharted etc. wouldn’t have remained this popular after so long
@@TheTom20 They don't understand that "fun" is completely subjective. They confuse "fun" and "dumb fun". Dumb fun is perefctly viable but it's only one kind of fun, some people have fun with great stories, some people takes pleasure from slow, precise stealth gameplay, others gets their kick out of strategy or puzzles...