E85 Predator 212cc Build!
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2019
- Today we're building a Predator 212cc engine to run on E85! E85 is 85% ethanol, and the right engine specs and tuning, can make a TON of power (way more than the gasoline equivalent in some cases). We're building a stage 2 212 using Go Power Sports parts, including their killer new 265 hot cam. In today's episode, we build the engine, and tune the carburetor to run Sunoco's E85-R properly, and HOLY SMOKES does this engine RIP!
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Snapped his fingers and instead of a predator teardown I got an ad. Perfect timing, Algorithm.
It's a 22 minute video. Any video longer than 10 minutes can have an ad placed anywhere the uploader wants.
I don't know what thats like lol
@@UnTamedMustang I'm familiar. This is my alternate account. My main is where I upload and have Red so I dont get ads there. However you don't directly NEED to choose where the ads go, the algorithm can decide based on points of climax and before large breaks.
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@@ThePcProGamerz I understood what u were saying. Thought it was funny. Till the buzzkill stopped by...
A turbocharged application would apply nicely to e-85. With all the cooling properties it offers.
Yer on the 750cc honda engine
dont forget the octane
@@williamrheawe958 ethanol/e85 has higher "octane" rating that 93 and is less likeley to detonate
@@einar8019 Yup. e-85 is about 110 octane.
E85 does not double your fuel consumption. My mustang has been on e85 over a year and it consumes around 25% more fuel. Methanol is a completely different story on the other hand.
The slogan for this channel should be “Sketchy at Best”
It'll be fine!
Fixing problems, that's what mechanics do.... the rest of them are gay parts changers!
but what if thru pure incompetence they create the problems that can be completely avoided if knew what their doing Christopher Dwyer? are they fix it hero's? or just stupid for creating problems that shouldn't exist? just asking bud :)
gimble leave the damn channel then dumbass
No.... "It'll be Fine" is a sketchy enough of a build logic, it doesn't need to be any worse. LoL
YES!!! I’ve been waiting for someone to do that for soooo long!
That kart sounded nasty af. Keep up the vids.
Nice build John and Ike! And John i noticed that the C10 finally has the bed for it. Keep on building and testing these awesome builds guys!
A build like this is where full engine control makes more sense. Instead of drilling jets and everything else you just change a few numbers in a table, plus you get RPM dependent changes to spark advance to take advantage of what E85's lower combustion speed and high resistance to detonation does at low RPM.
Got to say I love what you did with what you had.
Keep up the awesome work guys .love the builds .
I run e85 in my built predator, using the same .265 cam. It's a badass combo.
Dude the 265 cam is seriously witchcraft... PERFECT for a yard kart/small track. The E85 is a nice bonus on top😉
@@CarsandCameras it really is the perfect cam. Night and day compared to the mod2. Ive got mine on a doodlebug db30. Its almost too much power. Keeps things interesting though lol!
Anthony T Do you run a clutch or torque converter?
@@LeroyBallin I'm running a clutch. Noram ge series. Highly recommend it.
Anthony T you wouldn’t happen to be known as minibike life 73 on Instagram would you?
You're going to get lower air velocity through the 26mm carb, thus less suction pulling fuel from the carb bowl, so you may actually have to go larger on the main jet than you would otherwise on the 22mm to help 'suction'. Size the carb to your airflow needs. If a 22mm will flow enough air, use the 22 and jet to match the fuel. Going too big will result in poor transition between the pilot and main circuit and the motor will tend to fall on it's face without running a main that's WAY too fat for what the motor really needs.
Should run 2mm smaller then the intake port size to get enough vacuum.
Not enough for less signal in the carburetor, Port velocity in the head is the main concern unless the carburetor in question was a 30-40mm or bigger
@Garrett Knowledge is never a waste of time, watch this: LOL, a ton more ton more power, hahahahah, I love you guys. I am a retired dyno-tech, that only thing E85 is good good for is stability between weekend's in 1/8 and 1/4 miles cars as oxygenated fuels are less sensitive to weather conditions....Nitro-methane being one of the few exceptions, and corrosion in engine components. Don't get me wrong, it's like many of my younger friends, you never listen, and it is fun it is watching you try things. I would heed the MSD sheets on the stuff thou, and don't that stuff in a hot shed, that is not a "it will be ve fine" circumstance. The bump in compression was the best mod you made. BTW less mass on the flywheel is for better engine acceleration , not power. If you do try tuning with an 02 sensor, note that you will find best power around 9.87 afrs @wot, in my testing anyway, and i do not care where it is with pump E85. Get the actual fuel specific gravity from Sunoco, as it changes per batch
@Garrett Sadly few of my comments even get approved unless i just praise them, i think they i am just a arrogant knowitall, which i am not, i am a fan, and old dynotech, i just wanna help, and i realize knowledge is gained through experience. I just try to help, not criticise. Perhaps my wording suk
@Garrett Also could be the books i post exceed the 608 word thing and i fall in the troll bin, lol
These are high-quality videos good job guys
It so fun watching you and polite Isaac
Issac reminded me of those videos where they take a gun apart blindfolded.
Isaac*
Isaac: "This is my engine. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
My engine is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life.
Without me, my engine is useless. Without my engine, I am useless. I must drive my engine true. I must drive straighter than my enemy who is trying to beat me. I must beat him before he beats me. I will ..."
**shows his racing face**
Great build!👍
That engine sounds AMAZING
I just want to thank you guys for inspiring me to get back in to gokarting. I just bought a kart for my son. Puting a hemi 212 pred on there now and a TAV from go power sports. Its going on a 1970s live axle set up. Thank you very much.
Thank u guys for this build cause I so want to buy a cheap go cart, and do a build like this
Love the vids keep it up
nice build guys. im liking it.
Liked watching the build... You guys are always thinking out of the box... Seems there's never a mechanical problem you guys can't solve... Thanks for sharing.... I'm a new subscriber and your channel has influenced this 53 year old kid to go buy a mini bike, ride it a while, then start tweaking it... I used to be a diesel tech, so I have some knowledge, but I'm picking up on these small engine builds by watching you guys.... Thanks for sharing... I really enjoy your content....
Do an alcohol build. I ran jr dragsters for a few years, and we ran all billet alcohol engines. Tons of power to run 7.90 in the 1/8th mile, and a crazy sound from a 3 1/2 bore.
OJD1902 that’s not very fast. But jr dragster motors are powerful but they are slow
Ryan 14R yes it is, that is the fasted you can go in the jr with out getting in trouble where I live
This dude stupid. 7.90 would out run almost any street car and out mph. Dude thinks his dirt car be busting 4.90s 1/8 mile 😂
@@Killianwilliams you’re the stupid one. Did you even read his comment! He said 7.90 on the 1/8th mile
The more compression you run the better the gain from E85. True pump E85 is around 110 octane
Great vid boys
I was to busy to watch this yesterday and then today I finished work early due to the weather being to hot in ENGLAND!! 😂 which does not happen very often lol and then I got back to a lovely 22 minute video 😍😂
John may not be much of a driver, but he is a walking shop manual for almost all motors and after market parts -- he is so impressive and and there isn't anything Issac can't do with a motor to make it fire, turn over and run -- he wows me on every video
5:25 Should we try it? I don't think so dude...wham 🤣 You guys are great.
Love the vids keep up the good work
For a minute, I thought you fast forwarded the video but no, the cart is just that dang fast with the stage 2! Love it!
I couldn't find "pre-used" on Wikipedia, so I petitioned to have it added in ur honor...
If you can try and advance the timing. E85 is not as knock limited as reg. fuel. Also by advancing the timing you will have a lot cooler exhaust temps,and will do wonders for the torque curve
+1 on this statement.
Hell yea exactly what I was thinking! Even though the flywheel is already advanced it could possibly go further with the e85!🤘😎🤘
John your tracks looking good buddy keep up the good work
I'm amazed just how fast that go-cart accelerates !!!!! Watching this video inspired me to build one!!!
Why dont you guys get a a bunch of jets to keep in the garage? It would be way better than drilling them out
Dakota Schmitz.. apparently you haven't realized that pre planning is frowned upon in the cars and cameras garage.
@@jq71 I see that
Or, DUH! just use the "high altitude" jet that COMES/W the engine....!
Waste of money and original parts when you can efficiently mod the original.
Nice backyard job guys,BTW John your truck is looking great! how about a built update please?
Tony from Western Australia
great vid again guys
Love the precision grinding :)
I love the cross kart, but this was an awesome change of pace for me- with EPIC results. Now that we know that it works, we're going to:
1. Compare E85 R to an identical engine running on gasoline
2. Build a stage 4+ 212 (making over 20hp) and tune it to run on E85 to see what kind of gains we see😈
Beware: Info Warlock channel on RUclips is stealing your content and re uploading it !!!
DEAN IS HERE I don’t see it. You’re just trying to get subs to your channel. 👎
@@dream2sea Why would I want subs I have no videos... moron !!!
you are a bitch
this will b interesting. What happened to the 88mph kart?
Funny the sunoco blurb didn't say anything about e85 having 25% lower energy density than gasoline.... If you're particular setup can safely run gasoline it WILL have less power on e85. Don't get me wrong e85 allows for boost and timing levels that gasoline wouldn't in certain applications but you cant just throw it in a setup that works on gas and get more power.
Anyone who races anything should know you need alot more alochol than gasoline in the same engine, thats why it has the cooling properties it has.
@@16driver16 yeah but there are a lot of people who don't understand why high performance vehicles use the fuels they do and just assume it'll make them faster too because Race Fuel!!
@@DoRC do they think if they put jet fuel in their car it'll fly like on family guy too?
Do RC All things being equal, and you change over to e85, e85 will make more power than just about any gasoline aside from maybe Q16. Yes alcohols have less energy density, thats true for both ethanol and methanol. E85 improves power and torque production under the curves and peak power numbers as well. In this application, if the carb is set up properly, it will out power the same engine on gas. E85 not only has an octane advantage, it also has to advantage of latent heat vaporization that gasoline does not. It’s a very forgiving fuel, and it makes better power and torque than gasoline
@@taylorgtrotter So you're saying that switching to e85 while making no other changes will produce more power? How is that possible? How can using the same amount of a less energy dense fuel produce more power?
I love watching you guys class content every time keep it up thanks
I love the gnarly sound it makes.
I been waiting for this
"I'm going to snap my fingers..." Ad...
Aww man.
Yesterday’s video was great!
I started binging this channel and decided to revive my old go kart which has been sitting in my garage for years. Picked up a predator 212 and it runs like a champ. The gas pedal would get stuck down but I decided it’ll be fine and just reached down and used the gas pedal with my hand
Matt Lemunyon 👍🎉👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
i love the suicide shift go kart its my favorite
Im pretty sure you just threw off the crank balance by grinding on it.
It'll be fine
I’m pretty sure it was already going to be off when they put a lighter connecting rod on it.
lol no.
Itll be fine
Small engines are not balanced all that well to begin with. I was a Kohler service trainer for years.
i got something to say i have a old go kart that i want to repair so i been watching a lot of videos about go karts then i found this channel and its help me a lot so thank you
great work guys, now lets see how it does against some of your other projects
Liking the video before it starts because E85 is the best!!!👍👍👍
John: "We're waiting on parts for the cross kart"..
Me: "Nitrous!!! Its gotta be nitrous.. Get you a freedom button on that thing"...😂😂😂🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Sounds like you're a fan of the cleeter 😂😂👌👌
@@theshit683 Honestly, I've only seen a handful of his videos. But, I am a fan horsepower and tire smoke.. Because, 'Merica..😂😂
The Shit just get James to spray😂🤟🏻
Bawg deep!
Calm down there cleeter, in time, in time.
Man I love you guys
Thanks for the video.
I just rewatched Drag Mini Bike vs 670cc "Black Widow" What ever came of the filmed naked lap?
I mean that cart is god looking verk fast and just awsome. I realy love karts But i dont have one😢 if somebody have a engine can i get it?.?? That engine sounds amasing
That is nice looks like a blast
Ooo the truck has a bed and rad support. That's minty.
E85 smells oh so nice. Going E85 makes you a believer, I just wish I had it locally since I moved away from my local pump.
I thank goodness I don't have it locally... Why do I need to build for another fuel? It's only going to take infrastructure away from the superior gasoline that's already out there.
Is that carb e85 compatible? That's a drum brake hold down spring tool lol
Engine looks and sounds it also goes great
Y'all should come to the th smokies
Am I the only one that sees the striking resemblance to Ricky Bobby
Love that vids boys i watch everyone u post
More 212 action....wow so much new content.
Issac looks like he was the biggest Limp Bizket fan in the 90's
Your going to need big compression to make the most of that corn liquior. 13-1 to 14-1 . propane is also realy high octain but realy drops your power against gas because the compression ratio needs bumped up big time to take advantage of the octain. You going to need to get the head welded up to take advantage.
You guys really keep bringing great unique content.
Well I really like the videos and that go-kart to me look like it was cranking it out looking forward to the comparison to the regular gasoline engine
Good call going with the Stepside bed John. Sexiest trucks ever!
Do it on a 420 even better 670
hell yeah this thing is insane
I Love your work
Oh Boi grinding on the crank, that should be rebalanced. It'll be fine huh
Fantaman900 it’s not a race car precision machine it’s a toy if it breaks it’s beaks who cares
Couple mil off the crank? Meh. Not like the rotating assembly was balanced anyway...
These engines are balanced about as close as trying to level out a 12'x12' floor with a 6inch level. Not real precise .
Does grinding the crank and cam not throw the balance? Trucks looking good in the background too
It's a Chinese single cylinder
Yea i think it will
Nick Brogdon my next question was gonna be how did the manufacturer expect it to fit without modifying it haha
As a matter of fact I removed the balance shaft from my GX270 years ago without an issue... Could be luck idk
Nick Brogdon I’ve never fooled with them I’ve just worked at machine shops that build dirt track motors mostly sbc bbc Ls stuff so that was new to me
Ok now this is epic
Nice first time I can remember someone doing this
Please please please methanol carb for the rat rod wagon! 5hp briggs on methanol have soo much more power than gas. Should be able to get fuel from the same company.
They even have a racing carb meant formethanol from the parts lot shown ages ago. Just gotta get it going!
@@nap8187 awesome, actual alcohol carbs have HUGE jets that wont run right on gas, they usually even dont have chokes because they are an air restriction. My friend has a 5hp briggs kart, it had a fully built engine, cammed, ported, aluminum flywheel all that and a methanol carb and it was seriously fast. He blew a hole in the side of it and i gave him my stock low hr bottom end and all he did was put the meth carb and gas tank on it and it was somehow almost as fast as the fully built racing engine
Have you ever considered buying a jet kit
Have they not done this before?
@@16driver16 lol drilling jets is the first things they do whenever something doesnt run right
@@bcouri1 thats what i thought, they ARE the jet kit.
@@16driver16 Drilling jets is NOT the same as buying actual jets in the correct sizes. Think of it this way, you can "decap" 700cc fuel injectors and get ghetto flowing 900cc injectors with bad fuel atomization and spray patterns. Drilling jets is exactly that. You can drill a size 45 jet to a 50, BUT it will not flow or atomize fuel like an actual precision machine tapered, chamfered and cut #50 jet. Sometimes the difference can be as big as a few HP. I saw a 12 HP increase on my 95 cb750 when using real jets vs drilled ones, both the same size.
@@losi8ightyew that may be true on a larger carb like on your 750, but on a carb this small, im not convinced
Hell yes. That is bad ass
Hello love the vids
Make sure to turn off the fuel and run the carb dry after running.
Cory Unferferth its not methanol, you don’t have to do that with E85.
@@taylorgtrotter the ethanol will destroy rubber seals in the carb...like rubber on the float needle that fits into the seat to stop gas from entering the bowl.
Cory Unferferth ethanol doesn’t eat modern rubber components. Natural rubber in older engines? Sure. New engines? No...unless it is left exposed to the elements so it can absorb water. Easy fix, close off the fuel system from both ends while it sits or run it once a week and let it get up to peak running temp before shitting it off. That pretty much takes care of 90% of the common issues
you can look at your spark plug and see if it looks lean or rich also
Lovin’ the flywheel
Damn I remmber watching back at 100k subs now ur at 800k it’s been a long time
Lol 2 weeks ago I got pulled over on my friends 212 predator mini bike does wheelies with my 250 pound self on it. Got a warning.
More difficult to understand than it should be.
@@esqueue ?
E95 Racing fuel🤣. 95octan is worst what you can buy in Finland and in most Europe. Sales of 92octan stopped in late 1980s
E85 is 85% ethanol which would be around 101 octane, USA Octane rating is also different to what you use in Europe, google it and see
the 93 is the same as our 98;)
Aki look it up
These little guys are impressive.
Nice to see a small engine e85 build! Over here in sweden we have "moped dragracing" and many racers use e85 fuel in their 50 or 70cc twostroke engines👍
E 85 with turbo... Send it.
Stop playing around with the E85 and get some M5 methanol...😁 make sure you add some top end lube with M5
isn't methanol poisonous?
@@Charlieswag9000 yes it is. Its what you cut out when you distill booze.
I'm not saying drink it....
@@PullerbearEd "methanol (whether it enters the body by ingestion, inhalation, or absorption through the skin) can be fatal due to its CNS depressant properties"
Great jobb! ❤️👍
That is a great project!
You can also in order to take advantage of the great antiknock qualities that ethanol fuel can provides, could be an idea for a next step change ignition timing since front flame of ethanol its slower than gasoline or increase a compression ratio(more than with this new thin head gasket) and maybe try E100 during hot seasons in US!
Congratulation again for this project!
It takes more e85 than normal gasoline in the case of it being lean
Yeah.. They kept telling us that throughout the entire video....
1st
You're one of the first
Yay Isaac!👍
Man you snuck in there.
God I love these videos
Best vid ever love yall so much
1 view and 29 like RUclips logic
Gotta love youtube nowadays
you have to watch a certain percentage of the video before it counts as a view
Man, this joke is old
I wanna see a max hp build it can be higher then this c'mon guys
Good video
thats a tillotson not a predator 212
lukas stipp they start with the tillotson and tear it down and figure out that the predator kit wont so they tear down a hemi predator and thats what they rebuild and is on the cart.
@@rileyfenley522 ya i know but its kinda funny when u see the title, and then the first shot is of a tillotson 212
LOL - "34 degrees advanced?"???!!!! does it say THREE POINT FOUR? 34 degrees advanced timing isnt a thing-
That "Valve spring compressor tool" looks just like the drum brake tool I have
All the timing. +34°
yes, that is correct. 34 degrees advanced. The magnet on the flywheel is 34 degrees ahead of TDC