10HP STOCK | Honda Clone Revolution
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- Опубликовано: 25 янв 2025
- There's a new Honda clone go kart/mini bike engine on the market, and we've been dying to get our hands on it because we've heard it has impressive performance as a stock engine. It's the Tillotson 212cc engine, which is a direct replacement for other ~200cc Honda clones, makes 10HP (stock) and has a lightened flywheel rated for 10,000RPM.
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After that flip, Ike wins by default. Sweet engine and cart pairing! Happy Birthday Ike!!
When is his twin's birthday?
Michael VanGundy the same day... that is why they are twins...
@@frankyalvarez7160
You need to learn when someone is using sarcasm. It's nice that you are trying to be helpful but my joke was a little thin.
Michael VanGundy lol
Sorry to say guys but I'm a Briggs & Stratton engine fan, 31/2hp. 5hp, and , of course, the 71/2 hp rotortiller engine. All with the horizontal crankshafts.
Neibghor kid brought over a Honda 90, Dad said it was to fast. So my buddy gave me a mini bike with the 3 hp engine. Of Course, I took off the governor. It held together for 5 weeks, broke the connecting rod. Then I put on the 5hp and changed the final gearing, a few teeth smaller. This worked pretty well till a valve cracked.
On the the 71/2 tiller engine. I think it come from the factory with a bit bigger camshaft, much more raw power.
B&S engines are just so much better and longer life to boot.
Shave the head, High Performance Carb, then we are looking at almost 50mph.
At 13 years old I learned to weld, on to gokarts.
At first I was using the same B&S engines that I was using.
To date, my biggest kart had on it a 2 cylinder snow-machine engine rated at 50 hp.
Hot rear shaft, the clutch top end from the snow-machine and a driven pulley and belt.
On blacktop, the machine would close to 80mph, would climb almost anything. Power donuts fast enough to make you very dizzy.
Using ATV tires and rims, it was the run around the farm machine.
The was controlled only by how much air was in the tires.
This was an adult sized go kart on steroids.
So guys come on. Back on the farm we pressed in to service the engines that were on hand, lawn mower, rotor tiller, and I think, one even came from a wood splitter.
Most Tinkers and Home hobbiests had to make do with what was on hand.
Not a lot of money but a problem solving brain that just wouldn't quit.
When people ask, where did I get my kart....
I just love to say, with a big grin, "I built it myself".
From one gearhead to another.
Guys, Please keep coming out with more videos.
Ike won, he actually drifted more objects than John. However I gotta give John props on his control through the trees by the garage on his first lap, handled it perfectly.
Just some ideas for future projects. A sidecar on the Coleman. And a mini, polaris slingshot clone. Keep up the good work gents!
with those tillotson's you can get mechanical fuel injection from GPS which is perfect for....TURBO!
best comment on this channel ever
Single cylinder carburetor is the worst type of engine to turbo. Efi still might not help that much
Maybe with a boost referenced rrfpr but the ecotrons they used on the drift trike is a much better system. You just have to know how to tune
This comment needs more likes so they see this. Would be awesome to see some boost on this show!
its so tough to add boost to a non fuel injected small engine. you basically have to build a box around the carb or a complicated boost reference setup, changing the jets won't do it. The mechanical fuel injection is so friggen easy, carb hat and fuel pressure gauge is all you need.
All Ike. Dam the time! Sorry John . That sprocket was just kissing grass lol. Hope the hurricane doesn't reach you guys. Good luck!
IKE won .... how did the chain and sprocket survive being so low ?
SLAM BOY I know I was thinking the same 😂🏁
I was waiting for that 10hp to throw it off
Plenty of room on pavement. Just looks low in the grass. Less to mow!
Yea I was wondering as well
Grass juice lube !!
You can get more power if you make 2 holes on the sides at the bottom of the cylinder to release the exhaust pressure in the cylinder, you may need a non return valve, also if you put a turbine you can direct the exhaust to the turbine to give you additional power.
Ike won with style very smooth
ike was better
Also Ike was more consistent
agreed
Is ike won with style and driving skills lol but true.
John for time and Ike for style. Glad to see Ike is doing better since the "Ragin Mower" episode. Hope you had a great birthday Ike!
Dropping a comment gonna watch later on my lunch break keep up with the great work guys
Great video and kart! I built a 49cc motorized bike and rode it for about 15 years. It was stolen, so I built a 66cc motorized bike, which I still own. Lots of fun!:)-John in Texas
First off, happy birthday Ike. John had the speed but this was a comp, Ike won with style. Now to wait till wed for y'all's next video. 😀
I built a go kart with that motor but with the tillotson carb a header and intake. A 50 tooth sprocket and got 44 mph out of her. Great engine
Set up some cameras along the circuit for some good fly-by shots! 😁
brandon auppl yesssssss. Please
To stop all that vibration you can use a piece of car tire under the motor with holes drilled through it. Match up the size if the motors mounting plate with a little over size, about 1/2 to 1.5 in, all the way around and just bolt it down. Use locking nuts, maybe 2, on each bolt so they don't come undone while riding. This will eliminate a ton of vibration and make it seem more stable and controllable on pavement and off road. You can also do this on the axle but its a little more tricky to do.
I just pulled the trigger on one of these engines to replace my hemi predator. Can't freaking wait for it to show up!
How do you like it
Going with John on the win, not only faster but fearless when coming into the driveway from the first lap - crazy! Happy birthday Ike, and you guys be safe with the storm coming.
I have to give it to Ike...I feel like he showed more kart control throughout the run. Great vid guys...made my day and HBD Ike! #ikesgotballs
Ike for style points, the 360 attempts were awesome. John, you were quick, but this was more about the drifting.
hey fellas..i think Ike won the style part b/c his attempted 360 was more visable for us to see on the camera..however the speed part John you nailed that one..so in my opinion both of ya'll won...ya'll be careful with the storm coming in..much love from your neighbor in Bama
The sprocket is dragging across the ground 🤣
it will be fine, lol
It acts like the 3rd wheel on those incline trains. Provides more traction.
I think Ike won. He took a bit more time but smidge more style.
Do believe that both won, style, speed, and a awesome video!!! Happy bday Ike!
John always wants a competition. Never wins one.
True dat.
Ike is the Master...
He has fun lol
Since the bolt wasnt tight it stretched. Thats where the slack came from in the first place which allowed the rod to bounce around and create extra extra wear.
I think Ike has that, but good work to both of you. The cart is looking and driving great.
That motor combined with your torque converter and being straight out of the box really hammered for it's small size, very impressed.
good times like that, with a good buddy's.. you both are winners. Good luck you guys.
I’m just getting into go-karts at a late age. Because of you guys I’ve bought my first tool kit and I’m going to try to build a kart that will fit me. Please! Please! Please! Keep making videos, you both are the original “Shake and Bake”. When I’m done, I hope to run into you both in the street and dust you lol Au revoir
Ironically enough, the 10th is my bday, and I was eating carrot cake which is my favorite cake while watching this. Fantastic builds guys.
You both had style guys. I'm giving it to John as he was the first to brave the run flat out. Keep up the good work.
where can I get a frame like the "Back To The Future" Kart? Are they still produced?
Yes www.gopowersports.com/standard-vintage-go-kart-kit/
No need to polish the crank. Mix up some lye and water and dunk the crank overnight. The lye water will dissolve the aluminum, but won't touch the cast iron crank. All you have to do is ScotchBrite the leftover black stuff on the crank and BAM! No worries about undersizing the journal!
Awesome Tillotson 212. Please talk more about this engine. Also, stay safe in this big nasty Hurricane !!!
Arc 6773 is the correct billet rod for it. Sticker says its a ducar block. Piston has a recess cut for the exhaust valve. Valves look to be 27/24 if I recall. Lifters look larger than clone. Pushrods to upgrade have to be cut to fit I was told. The valve springs seem to be heavy duty I bought 26lbs replacements that don't seem as stiff as stock. Has auto style retainer clips. Shaft mounted rockers no stud.
Douglas Carver do you know what the shaft diameter is. I heard that it was 5/8 but if it fits the torque converter in the video then it would be 3/4
This engine will be perfect for the Coleman’s.
How many HP was the 420cc build with torque converter? I’m thinking about a 301cc engine build. But the new engine y’all got is making 10Hp! How many total HP with torque converter? Keep up the good work guys
Should have uploaded a video showing how to replace the engine on an old generator with a Predator...
With Hurricane Florence on its way, I think it would have done well.
I hope you guys have everything secured. Be safe.
Generator engines have special crankshafts. They are not interchangeable.
Ike and John could make it hapoen
JeepYJ91 or just get a new Tillotson generator
Yeah OK 70chevelle8
@@bryanroupe8646 generators, pressure washers and some water pumps all have tappered crankshafts.
John all the way on this one. Catching air off of the hedge at 10:52 - wow!
Make a drift go cart with a e-brake
E-brakes only lock the back tires. Budget karts only have rear brakes.
esqueue he mean a actual HAND brake like a lever
Just run a double caliper on a single rotor one for the pedal one for the handbrake
@@James-pn9rt why not just a handbrake?
So the pressure can be set on the petal for driving and a higher pressure one for drifting
It's a tough decision, but I think John got it with that triple tree S pass, almost crashing into the garage, but it worked! Happy Birthday Ike!
Both races were very good so that makes this one difficult to decide. After giving it much thought and careful consideration, my vote goes to Ike on the race just cause he was able to power out of that wipeout without coming to a complete stop. Happy birthday Ike! 😁
Win goes to Ike for smooth, longer arcs, closer to 360. Happy bday and good to see you back from the mower roll.
Issac won ....he got closer to fixed objects. That makes drifting so much cooler
John because he had me with one eye open but you did good to ike lol I'll say a tie happy b day
John took that trophy. For sure when he passed over the driveway at the end of the first lap he got plenty of style points
I think ike won that one with the close wall drifts and style points. Sorry John. But happy birthday ike
So, I have to ask, does the crankcase on the Predator come with baffles to keep the all of the oil from puddling over to one side, and leaving the crank, (and/or the dipper) dry? Things that make you go, Mmmmm...
Shouldnt u break in the engines before going full throttle
Thomas Lenhart suppose to but i never did
I personally just bolt and go wfo. I have never had an issue and I have 6 engines. Predator 212
they were meant to be pressure washer engines and such they will be fine
Eh Itll be fine
+The Bassman to me it seems they're all bum motors when.....
there's no such thing as a lower rod bearing! IMHO what happened: got a little dry and heated up (chases more oil out!), aluminum expands (steel too), let the galling begin! maybe/IF they had a bearing with a hole and funnel shape aimed at the bearing's center, and an internal protrusion (in the case) for more oil to splash against and drip/pour right AT that funnel shape (and crank arms etc, keep it all WETTER) it'd greatly reduce the issue? oil gets slung vertical off the crank itself to wet the piston and cylinder wall anyway, so something aiming more oil directly at the lowed rod bearing... like a bundle of BIC cigarette lighter's flint springs maybe? the small coils would catch a whole lot and drip, surface tension and gravity helping put the oil where it needs to be.
(not saying an engine doesn't need some run-in time too)
I just discovered your channel a couple days ago lol but dang im so happy i did because yall do some awesome stuff and ive been looking for one of these frames for years and your page led me to it!thanks for what yall do guys!
All I gotta say, I'm sure John's parents love the idea of them drifting now.. LOL. Great effort guys!
Look at the rod journal. If there is any aluminum stuck there, it's caused by lack of oil. The windage in the crankcase may be blowing the oil away from the dipper. The bullet rod has a pressure feed hole and is shorter. Oil can accumulate in the groove and get into the rod. If it was a bum engine the rod never would have lasted 1 9000 rpm run up.
That is a great engine from gopowersports
I think Ike did well with fluid drifts
And John was just hauling butt
Will that tilison engine fit the mounting holes for my CT200U-EX Coleman? How fast do you think it will go? I zip tied my governor and I cut the throttle stop screw on the carburetor linkage, and I've gotten it up to 32 mph downhill. On a flat street, it will go 30 mph. I'd like to get up to 50+ without having the engine constantly wide open and wind up blowing it up.
Mayswell start calling ike DK cause he's the new drift king
Don’t get me wrong, the predator 212 rips. But had I known about the Tillotson before I built my kart I would’ve gone with that instead. Such a sick engine
Sweet go cart. I'd love it if my parents let me rip through there yard like that
Hey guys, it's Bob the builder from Cali again! That kart frame is identical to the "Monster" my kids and I built years ago w/ the 200 cc Honda three-wheeler motor adapted to it! Triple dog dare ya, again! Peace and cool beans. (Get-er-done!)
I feel like ike won that round but it would have been much more cooler if u guys did tandems, pls do it in one of your videos
I think a drone shot while you're doing the circuit would be a cool touch
Way'da go Mario. John wins & Happy birthday Ike. 🎂
How would you convert a 2 stroke sprocket carrier to a 4 stroke sprocket carrier on a race kart with the engine facing outward?
Some of the nicest comments on all of you tube are right here.
What was the reason for grinding down the boss on the torque converter plate? Have the same engine and installing the same setup. (30series comet torque converter with juggernaut) thanks so much! Big fan
You guys be safe. This hurricane is gonna tear both of our asses up. Im in Wilmington.....
That Tillotson is sick!!!
This is a little off topic, but what size of wheels and tires are those? I have this old fiberglass Thunderbird cart and need small wheels and tires for it like that, but when I look to buy any, they all say they are 10 inches high or larger, which seems too big for it. I really don't want to cut the body to make bigger tires and wheels work on it. I was gonna use the engine, suspension, and steering parts from a 70cc knock-off quad. It's got the 3 bolt pattern for the wheels. Maybe there are low profile tires that would fit on them... Anyway, I'm having a tough time finding the size info for these things, and figured if you just told me the exact ones you have on this thing, I could just get the same.
Ike for style! Especially liked the drifts around the firepit lol
Do you need to buy a clutch separately if you don’t have a torque converter?
Happy late birthday Ike. Also Ike won that one.
Ike has my vote. It’s partly because he took flipping the mower and gettin some meannn road rash like a champ. But can’t forget about the legend Johnny boy, much love to both of you.
Ike won for style but lost timewise by 35 seconds. I think it would be ike. Sorry john. Better luck in the FUTURE😛😛 My attempt at a joke. Lemmeno if you get it
I think you need to go BACK and try your FUTURE joke again AJ... ;-)
Very close, liked when John went through the trees by the garage, I liked the 360 by Ike. Ike was a little smoother, so I think he just edged out the win. Happy belated birthday to Ike! 🎂
Sorry guys, I feel Ike took that drift comp.
I have a question my predator 212 is is back firing and turning my go karts wheels backwards and shooting the exhaust right out the carburetor and I took apart the engine looked at the rods they were not bent I cleaned the carb and I took apart the head I think that it is the timing but I’m not sure do you think you know what the problem is ?
For me the winner is the “back to the future kart”
I know this is old stuff and still awesome to watch, but I’m looking for the footage of the back to where future go kart where you cut the spindles off and changed the angle. Thanks I’m advance
where do i get a go-kart like that? I'm serious, I want one.
you can go on letgo or OfferUp or Facebook market place and find people selling go karts for a pretty decent price
Will the Mikuni 22mm work that they sell for the 212 and clones
Why don't they ever say which one that they have because there's a regular and there's a Hemi and then there's also a 212R and a 212E
John and Ike,I believe it was a close competition and you both had your own moves!
Drone shots! Do it!
Also groupies would be good. Disenfranchised Hotties sitting around looking at their phones.
Ok, well, that one is optional, but Drone Shots! Drifting under a drone! You know I'm right!
badbad0166 HELL YEAH!
it would be appreciated if you mention the dimension go kart while working on it.
Sprocket it's touching the ground
julian vanschalkwyk I see it hitting also but it seems to be just more grass than anything. But that sprocket is alarmingly low.
Itll be fine
Noah Knight All, it takes is for them to run over a tree root and it's goodbye to that sprocket.
More traction
Five wheels on a go kart!
Haha, sorry John, but dare-devil Ike gotcha again. I’m pretty impressed with the little engine. It’s based on the 196cc clone? It’ll be interesting to see what parts interchange with the predator line, and definitely can’t beat the price; an arc rod and flywheel alone cost almost as much as this engine.
The GX series is GM LS engine of gokarts!
Gx200 4 life
@@4EyeFoxbody nope' Tillotson Hemi 212 Engine's" Way more Torque an Power than a GX200 💪😏
Should set up a time lapse camera near Ike's waterfront property looking out at the dock and the bypass bridge during the storm.
Might get some good footage???
John was just alot more ballsy for lack of a better word. He was hanging it out there alot more going over the driveway and also the first lap when he slid it in close to the garage at the finish line there definitely more style sorry Ike you were doing great but if we are judging style John all the way
He's probably a little bit weary cause of the mower
Multiple Microphones yea that makes sense XD
Ike was smoother but John definitely had some cojones at the end of that first lap! I can't pick one over the other :)
@@H31MU7 lol I agree with that Ike had a lot smoother transitions but John sent it lol
If you were building a Mini Bike using a Predator 212 engine; would you recommend a centrifugal clutch or a torque converter?
thanks,
a fan-Roger Cox
Holy crap the garage is spot less it clean wow
Do u ever have problems with the sprocket getting damaged from it being low
Ike won. Better control and more smooth. Also I think you guys should get trucker hats. That would be really cool.
Predator tolerances might have been too tight.
Sometimes they need to have the crank polished to open up the clearance.
Sorry john. Ike killed it. Carrot cake is bomb
Hey guys, I'm looking for a little more grunt out of my 5hp Briggs and Stratton push mower. What would you recommend without revving it to the moon? I love what you guys do and your production quality is second to none. Keep up the greatest of work
Lol. Never tried it with a push mower but a carb jet and header
I would love to see the btf cart leave a burn out trail of fire like the timemachien in btf
I have a yerf dog with 212 stage 1 full 30 series converter set, im burning belts bad? My Murray dosent same set up? Kind of belts brand and all do you use? Much appreciated
Has anyone mentioned that you are not supposed to remove the governor? Anyone know why you are not supposed to remove it? Anyone know that you can adjust it instead? Just wondering.
Ike was smooth but johns was wild and it looked great!
So I have a 10 hp go kart motor and I’m wondering what torque converter is best for it?
Kewl. Ike I guess. Pretty even. New motor is cool. Say goodbye to the predator
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My friend and I ran 30.3 with a 60 tooth spur and 12 tooth shaft gear with a stock 212... we didn’t think that was very fast but hey that wasn’t bad!!