Absolutely agree with your statement on getting caught up with these giant stack shoes! I don’t know why it’s becoming such a focus atm, everything being massive stack and plated.
@@billycc97 yeah it is a bit puzzling sometimes. Then again I have been running over 40 years now so even ones like these Pegs which some seem to say are “low stack” are a lot more cushioned then anything I wore pre “super” shoes. So a lot of the talk I feel on those who say can only run in high stack is perhaps from newer runners who largely know nothing else.
Really interesting take. I find the more I’m up on my toes and striking cleaning the more the Plus rewards. That extra width gives stability AND a little more ZoomX foam right behind the ball of my foot which I can really feel. The standard Peg is the one I reach for… but having the Plus as a plateless option is so very good. Very proud of you being able to run over 6miles in them and still having your feet and legs in one piece.
Yeah the 7 mile run was my "longest" in almost 3 months. Surprised I made it :) I think "up on my toes" is my current problem with shoes like this. I can form an "impression" but, due to Achilles type injury, unable to really do that. That said I tried to do some strides end of that run it felt like I had a little too much shoe. Another fact is that the Peg 41 for me feel a lot more comfortable and don't seem to aggravate my Achilles as much as any other shoe I have tried since picked up this issue. I haven't felt like running in the SL2 for the same reason although I think the Peg Plus are "better".
@@TimGrose I bet the 10mm drop in the Peg41 is helping your achilles too. I’m a big fan of the Peg Plus but I keep reaching for the 41 day in and day out.
@@SagasuRunning I think I need to do some more analysis on why some shoes dig into my problematic area and some don’t so much. My literal daily “trainers” Nike Wearallday are great in this regard but maybe as don’t need to wear them too tight. On other hand plush heel counters can have the opposite effect. Those retro Peg 2005 a case in point. Peg Plus less “good” than the Peg 41 it seems.
@@TimGrose Your casual trainers not being as tight AND not putting as much force into them is a huge factor. Plus I bet they are much firmer than anything you are running (support).
@@SagasuRunning very true and yes very firm but "feel" soft just standing about due to the sockliner I guess. Maybe I need to try and run with my shoes less tight to ease the pressure on the Achilles area. Normally though that causes other issues like blisters and/or black toes!
Hi Tim Grose, This is a very good review; i did not appreciate that in my last comment! I have got Peg Turbo 35, and i am very keen on the comparison, and you summed it up perfectly for me, to know what to expect! P.S.: I dont know why but you remind me of Mick Jagger!! 😅 There is some resemblance!
Thanks! I am sensing a general vibe from other reviews have seen that some of those reviewers are now so conditioned to only liking soft high stack "super" shoes and maybe with plates that something now like the original Peg Turbo 35 and even this one are more like racing flats and can't seemingly run (or want to) run in a shoe like this. On the other hand, I have run, in training, full and near full marathon distances in the Peg Turbo 1 or 2 and I don't see why, well my current Achilles injury restriction aside, why I could not again. There was also another factor that I liked to use the Turbos also on firm trails like old railways where perhaps that relative lower to the ground feeling is actually better - well for me. I probably would also say if you tried the OG Peg Turbos and did not like them, can't see are likely to like these new ones. There is also the element of foot type and shoe preference. Case in point personal comparisons with shoes like Rebel v4 (too wide for me), Mach 6 (give me blister and I don't much like lower drop shoes), SL2 (soft and very little support) means that all of these shoes have limitations which may or may not be issues for other runners. That all said am looking forward to doing more in the Peg Plus as running full stop for me isn't easy at the moment but some good vibes that I managed to do my longest run for 3 months in them - if only 7 miles. I feel I ought to be able to do that (and more) in anything but good to know there is no asterisk as it were against these.
@@TimGroseHi Tim, wish you the best with speedy recovery! I hate those achilles problems... have had them in the past, was frustrating...but they do go away! I have still got a couple of pairs of peg turbo 35 original... one of which is still unboxed! I might actually get another pair from StockX if Peg Plus doesn't deliver! that's how much i like them! I dont mind feeling a bit thin under the forefoot. Most importantly, 1. the zoomx version in the Peg Turbo 35 is really plush! And, it works really well with React foam for a fast ride 2. The shoe feels relatively light weight and therefore fast! And, Pegasus Plus, I have tried them in a store.... but have not yet made up my mind! Do you think if Nike were to release Turbo 1 and 2 again, people will buy them rather than Peg Plus?
I just bought them this week and today I completed a 15km run (with a mate who also bought them) with a pace of around 5:30-6:00. I would have to say, this would be one of my best buys right now (compared to my daily Vaporflys 3 I use everyday)... at the end of the day, everyones feet and running style is different. Love your review mate
Thanks. The Plus must offer a slightly different feel if you normally use Vaporflys. I love mine but don't think it is a shoe I would want to use too often. The Plus on the other hand is I think a shoe designed more for "everyday" use.
Great review and use case. Nothing wrong with being a Nike fanboy but it's great you're calling it as it is and actually giving viewers your genuine feel and experience with the shoe. Some reviewers are relying on design alone to trick themselves into thinking these are faster than the current top market plated trainers 😂
Yeah thanks. I am perhaps wanting to like these more than actually have so far. That said been really restricted in my running last few months and I just don't think I can get the most out of them at present.
SL2 is the only Adidas I have to size up half a size.. Upper also very hot.. Lots of ground feel. Very comfortable but you do the work 😂. Not the plate or foam. Great value.
Yeah I said in another comment that the SL2 feels a little short. I don't have a 0.5 size option though. I haven't really been wearing the SL2 as found too "neutral" for my current Achilles type issues.
Great review Tim...first one I've watched. Great to hear about the other Turbo's, none of which I have run in...still not loving the feel of the Pegasus Plus...do love this colourway though...
Thanks. I did see your one and will go and rewatch later. I did get a feeling of a similar vibe that you "sort of" liked them but missing a bit here and there. For us the Turbo 2 especially was noticeably "less shoe" even if very similar.
A superb in depth comparison and analysis Tim. Glad to hear you covered the mud on heel potential too. 👏 I am sure someone will be off on holiday doing an initial review video of this shoe as to not miss the hype. 😎🤘
Was a real nightmare. I did some last minute testing before filming and had to reach for a large pack of flash wipes to remove mud (well possibly !) from heels.
Great review. Just went on my first run with mine today. These would have been perfect in my youth but now I need more cushioning (PF, ITB, etc). I’ll stick with the Zoom Fly 5 for now.
Ah interesting. I have the Zoom Fly 5 buy only did a few runs in them. Just remembered them as rather heavy but guess offer more general than these Peg Plus.
These lightweight non-plated kind of daily trainers with modern foams like the Rebel v4 and Mach 6 really are my favorite kind of shoe right now. Love my carbon racers as much as anyone but can hardly use those every day...
Yeah and I haven't thought of using a carbon plated shoe since got injured. No need to plod along! Even this Peg Plus perhaps is overkill. Not sure if that was shoe related though.
@@CharlesMayer-wu5rb true but I don’t really pay too much attention to price especially if a shoe “works”. Mach 6 gave me blister first run and the 5mm drop I never really get on with. Rebel v4 is stupidly wide for me. In hindsight poor choices for me but wanted to give them a go. So those shoes have both proved “expensive” relative to use. Endorphin Speeds cost more than of all these but I feel at least I get use out of them and feel closest to Turbo 2 in what I feel I want in a lightweight daily trainer.
exactly how i feel. i wanted to love it but I like it a lot. zoomx is the best foam in the right application. Vomero 17, invincible are awful yet vomero 16 and ultrafy are the best shoes I've ever worn (the latter odly not targeted at me, I hate plates and run mixed road and some carriage trails). you are right, the real runners vs. drop, we never had drop in the specs (really we had two specs- weight and was the shoe EVA or TPU). Oddly I love the thin laces, reminds me of the Spiridon and the Skylon
I felt I was "sinking" a bit in the Vomero 17 and I guess it is kind of similar in the Peg Plus albeit a different type of shoe. The ZoomX shoes I have liked the best (Vaporfly, Turbo 1/2, Dragonfly) all have a firmer layer (or plate) to help there. I struggled in the Ultrafly - I think largely as in my UK 13 they are quite heavy and on off road just seemed a lot of shoe.
Great comparisons sir. For me the turbo 2 is/was a classic trainer, racer. A perfect companion to the vapourfly 1/2. Unfortunately In 2024 shoes are like bricks. No feel. Luckily I have a supply of the classics. Have a great day sir.
Thanks. Perhaps there is a sense of deja vu bu the scales don't lie - my Turbo 2 are over 50g lighter than the Peg Plus so brings them into slightly different use cases.
I never ran in any of these. I do recall how revered the Turbo 2 was though. Can’t remember why I didn’t take the plunge on them! By the way, 3/4 insoles might help your achilles too - adds extra drop!
Probably 2018-2020 I mostly used Turbos for "daily" then that changed to Endorphin Speeds when the Turbo 2 was being phased out. Can't say have really heard of 3/4 insoles. I guess they would also make slightly short shoes fit better.
I just got them and will compare against Peg Turbo 1 (which I am running in a fresh pair) and Turbo 2. When Turbo 1 came out you had the Vaporfly and nothing much faster in competing shoes. Now there are so many options for speed/tempo shoes which includes running in "used" race shoes. But a pair of shoes to run for not so easy shoes that are comfortable and not too heavy or inflexible are hard to find. So hopefully this Peg 3 will work. One shoe I would want to compare against is the Saucony Rebel V4. It's a shame that Nike wasted a few years without a real Peg Turbo. You mentioned more width/stability and flexibility which is absolutely necessary for me. Also agreed for some reason 7-9 miles was about the sweet spot for this shoe. They never made it to long run shoes.
Be interesting to see how you find them. Rebel v4 is not a bad shoe for sure but it is just so wide so having a rather narrow foot felt like I was carrying around a load of excess. Sorry the 7 mile thing was a bit of a joke as another reviewer said after 6 miles they gave him sore feet so thought had better try 7 and so see if I could. It was also my longest run for 3 months as I have been rather restricted of late by an Achilles type injury. I did actually manage a full marathon in training in the Turbos one time. As you say though - far less choice back in 2018
@@TimGrose I also have narrower feet, so maybe I won't try the rebel v4. I like to walk in shoes to wear them in a bit before running (excpet for plated shoes)
@@robertw4918 I had to pull in the laces an awful in the Rebel v4 so never felt I was really feeling the shoe how it is meant to be. That said it is very light for a "training" shoe and if you like lower drops might be worth checking out. Otherwise it is one of those shoes I think I should try, do a few runs in them and then just seem to leave in a pile of shoes I just don't wear.
Yes indeed. Of late I have done a lot of walking in the Peg 41s. These Peg Plus would be OK too but think the Peg 41s would be my first choice as bit more supportive. If wet, the Pegasus Trail 5 GORE-TEX that I have just put out a video on would be a good bet.
@@TimGrose I covered over 1000 kilometres in my peg trial 4 and just replaced them with peg 41. All pegsc fit my feet perfectly and the epic react was brilliant too
@@johnrichardson7785 ah so did you use those "Trail" shoes on any surface? I guess in return the Peg 41 is "really" a road shoe but the outsole grip is fine for at least "light" trails for sure.
@@TimGrose I have a new pair of adidas Terrex Speed Ultra Trail so should be okay. I'm on my third pair of air deschutz sandals after your review a few years ago. They are brilliant!
The Next Nature's firmness makes the shoe feel flat when running. The Pegasus Plus (from just wearing it at the Nike store), feels like a cut down Infinity Run. Although the fit is very similar to the Turbo 1/2. The ZoomX just sinks down until your feet hits the ground (not literally). It feels like it's compressing all the way down and then decompresses (not rebound) as you lift off. The rebound doesn't feel that good, feels like you're sinking on every step. Instead of giving back energy return, it sucks it in. The Vaporfly 3's ZoomX definitely feels firmer and the rebound is there. Foam density is not the same. Feels like an Infinity Turbo. I almost bought a pair, but my girlfriend bought me Peg 41's. I would only buy the Plus if they came out in Black with the Pink swoosh that's reminiscent of my O.G. Turbo 2's.
In a way, the Plus did remind me of the Next Nature but not quite as "firm" (well in a relative sense) a ride and less ground feel. Back in 2022 I did some relatively fast runs/sessions in the Next Nature and although not wonderful they did a turn. Agree these non plated full ZoomX shoes do have that sinking feeling which I don't get in say Vaporflys or Dragonflys. That said a short run in the Plus on one foot and the Turbo 1 on other and they did feel quite similar. I have been enjoying the Peg 41 - having some injury concerns of late I have actually valued the firmer feel and they are very comfortable. I think you can usefully have both the Peg 41 and the Plus. The use cases overlap but feel the Plus is going to be "happier" going a bit faster whereas in the Peg 41 I feel is a good shoe for those days just want to get out there with no particular performance aims.
Most reviewers compare this to Mach 6 Rebel V4 and the Sl2 all of which are a lot cheaper. After testing the foam under my feet I felt Pegasus plus was a bit like an upgrade to my Sl2 and Rebel v3 (I don't have the Rebel v4). I would have bought them in rotation with my Sl2 if they were $20 cheaper.
@@snowwalker9999 yeah all of those are sort of similar but for different tastes IMHO. Mach 6 is low drop, Rebel v4 is very wide, SL2 soft and very neutral. I ought to do a Shoeoff between them.
@@TimGrose i think it’ll be a good comparison video. Maybe if I actually ran in Pegasus plus I would think they were superior to all the other comparable shoes. I liked them though. I just need to be able to justify the price. I’m sure you’ve seen Sagasu running speaks highly of them with great analysis. But shoe performance can be subjective.
I echo your sentiments, Tim. I tried it on in Nike Town earlier and it just felt big, and just by walking about in it didn't feel like it was going to be helpful in lifting the pace on a run. Another case of I'll wait until it's on offer next year! I'm guessing it's a shoe that might improve with the more miles put down, a bit like the Pegasus?
Yeah I guess I was some disappointed that in 5 years since the Turbo 2, they contrived to add 50g to the shoe (in my size) despite full ZoomX which maybe why it is also now wider for stability. It's not a bad shoe for sure but, in all honesty, does not stand out. Sure I will still want to keep running it though. As you say it might improve when have managed to get a consistent lockdown. I guess my Peg 41s have improved with time. Very comfortable now when put on.
I had the turbo 1 & 2 and both pairs separated near the heel. I believe the heat had a big part to play in it (i also had to send back my Alfafly 2 and invincible 1s). The only Nike that lasted are the Vapourfly 2 (which im still using).
I keep on going to buy this because I think it looks great more than anything but, I’m not sure what this is bringing that I don’t already get from the Streakfly? I really enjoyed the Mach 6, if it’s hitting the same spots as that I’m more interested. I took the Mach 6 to 16 mile long run no worries but it sounds like this is more limited?
The "limitation" is more me right. That 7 mile run is longest have ever done since May due to an Achilles type injury. Sure I could go a lot further in them just like I did in all the previous versions including a full marathon distance in training. For me the Streakfly is about 100g lighter so I guess it depends what you use them for. If you only use them for short fast run then the Plus ought to give a more bit for longer runs. I think the Mach 6 serves a similar type of purpose for sure and a bit lighter. Largely depends what suits you better. I have never been much of a fan of those relatively low drop shoes like Hoka ones although the Plus "feels" a bit less than its actual 10mm drop.
Good review, though “feels like the first one” sounds great, but “not what I hoped for” sounds meh. I still occasionally run in my Pegasus Turbo 1s, still soft and bouncy after several years and 1,000+ miles. What is now considered low stack, these shoes were/are fun and kind to my knees. My Pegasus Turbo 2s self destructed, both the pair I bought and the warranty replacement pair. Barely any miles, upper and sole separated. I think the issue is, back in 2018/2019, the Pegasus Turbo set an entirely new standard. I even used the word “revelation” when describing them to Mizuno Running product team, they were a marketing client at the time. But now, there’s a flood of great shoes that match or surpass Pegasus Turbo and Pegasus Plus. I want to like it too (the lack of a swallowtail makes it a little less special), but it doesn’t seem like it does anything better than my SL2s or DV8 Nitro 3s. On the other hand, EddBud absolutely loved it.
Ah sorry that is a bit vague isn’t it. What I really meant was more in comparison with the Turbo 2 which were at least 50g lighter than the Plus for my UK 13 and fitted my relatively narrow feet better so in that sense the Turbo 2 I feel had a different use case. OK both daily trainers but the Turbo 2 lot nimbler. The Turbo 1 fejt kind of similar in ride but again Turbo 1 fitted me better and slightly lighter. I had 4 pairs of the Turbo 2 and the Shield version as well. Agree though that the 1st version lasted longer. I got my first 3 Turbo 2s to about 300-350 miles each. So I think it as much the fit that was bit meh on and the fact the added weight seems to come from a wider shoe with a fair bit of padding. As such feel it is closer to a standard daily trainer than something ultra light like the Streakfly. Yes agreed though there are plenty of shoes now “sort of” like this. I guess the “problem” is none of them are made by Nike. Maybe though again they just don’t scale so great for me and I also must admit right now, due to injury, I only need a shoe to do easy miles and in that sense the Peg 41 has worked well and seems to aggravate my Achilles less than other shoes been using of late including the Plus.
And PS EddBud did like them but equally was that from the POV of a fairly lightweight daily trainer from Nike when there has been nothing else of that ilk since the Turbo 2 especially as he did not think much of the Next Nature. I think what he found about being “fun” was what I remember after my first run in the Next Nature ones. It helped though that I was fully fit and able to give them “full gas” then.
@@CharlesMayer-wu5rb yeah in that sense wasn’t miles off and even the supposed 7mm higher drop wasn’t that obvious to me. That said only based on a wearing one of each for a few “steady” strides, walking about a bit and wearing for an hour or so “at desk”. Largely for a Shorts vid I put out shortly before this one.
@@TimGrose I’m not as serious of a runner as you, I run for fitness, maybe 6-8 miles per day, I don’t really track my pace, I measure my results looking in the mirror and standing on the scale🤣. So I look for shoes that are fun, responsive, good looking, and gentle on my knees. You can tell I’m not a serious runner, because my shoe rotation is all the same kind of shoe - DV8 Nitro 3, SL2, and two fresh pair of Speed 2s and Tempo Next%🤣. Note I enjoy them all, but Speed 2 beats them all, just a hint of extra stability/arch support and better fit. Keep up the great work.
Nike is going through a rough patch... Sadly even Kipchoge is not doing it for them! But it is largely their own doing-- they have got the foams (zoomx still works the best for most runners), the technology, the market size/penetration-- They have got it all! But they dont really listen to their customers anymore! They are out of touch with the marathon public...they could do better by consulting a few good reviewers such as yourself (rather than all the "experts" they currently have got!)! Well, Nike may do as they wish...but runners will not suffer fools!
Yeah sometimes I do wonder who they are trying to cater for when shoes are slowly getting wider and heavier. Sometimes it feels like they think are trying to make everything fit everybody.
I have run further than a marathon a few times in training with 55K on my 55th birthday back in 2021 being my longest run ever. Can't say actually racing them has ever really appealead but never say never.
Price it appropriately, and maybe they will do ok. The same price as the Invincible is sorta odd...unless putting "turbo" on the outsole costs $25 CDN extra...Context, here in Canada the Peg 41 is $180, Peg Plus is $235 and Invincible is also $235. Basically boils down to....is it a decent shoe? Sure, but there are better options for less from numerous brands. In the racing space, Nike is awesome....beyond that....meh.
TBH I am not too bothered about the exact price as long as it is in a range of what expect for a certain shoe. In the UK the Peg Plus is £165 and the Peg 41 £130 and things like that the Mach 6 are £140 but Speed 4 £180. So far I have the cheapest and most expensive of those the most.
I like ZoomX (Vaporfly, Invincible) but I don't really care for the Pegasus, the Plus could be interesting as a workout shoe but I have enough plated super shoes that are still plenty good enough for workouts, so why pay that much for this one? And if I want something non-plated with a super-foam I'd probably try something like the Topo Cyclone 2, that I heard a lot of good things about. If the Peg plus hits the Nike outlets at heavy discounts I will be tempted, but now .... meh.
I think, like me, if you liked the previous Turbos and/or Nike shoes generally this will get attention. Of course if you have shoes working for you, no need for more but I never seem to listen to myself :) Topo shoes I understand are zero drop with rather wide toe boxes so certainly would not interest me.
@TimGrose the Cyclone 2 has a 5mm drop, but I think UK12 is the biggest size, which I'm sure will fit you just fine after some surgery. The Doctors of running praise them a lot, that got me interested, but I never tried a Topo before. Nike for me is hate/love, I bought several VF and Tempo, but daily ones like the Peg or Miler all got retired quickly. But thanks for supporting my uneconomical shoe buying addiction 🤣.
Looks really nice would it work for a non plated speed shoe I get knee injures doing speed sessions in the low stack no plated shoe like the streakfly Also I have the superblast and in my opinion it’s the most over rated shoe on RUclips. Don’t get me wrong it’s perfectly good but it’s nothing special It has loads of light weight cushioning but that cushioning is quite firm and I don’t feel any bounce from it. To be honest I don’t think it’s really much better then the Novablast 3 Novablast better for easy pace and super for faster but not much in it apart from price 😂 Just seem like people think it’s amazing because everyone else’s say it is and everyone has jumped on the bandwagon and convinced themselves Or ….. it really is amazing and its me that isn’t particularly keen on them 🤣 They are incredibly light for the amount of stack hight you get so I’d give them that I think the fod runner might like them but he likes firmer shoes
I agree re the Superblasts. Got a pair when ASICS had them half price and really don't see what the hype is all about. Definitely wouldn't pay the RRP for them. Have nearly 500km in my Saucony Speed 4s and I find them by far superior and even the Triumph 21 which can be used for a wide range of paces and distances.
@@msandiford93that's why there are so many different types of running trainers. They won't work for everyone but the Superblast work for more people than they dont!
@@theghostofpcs2391 firstly you’re right it is a personal thing if something is amazing or not so I’m not arguing with you there . My point is tho the superblast is supposed to be amazing because you can do every kind of run it and it great the Novablast isn’t my pick for a speed shoe but it can do it and I have done it plus it’s way better at easy paces The superblast is better for speed but it’s still not my pick as a speed day shoe and it’s not as good at easy paces So if you are only having one shoe why not get the cheaper one I use a shoe rotation anyway and the Novablast works great as a everyday trainer the superblast is too firm for easy runs not fast enough for a speed days and I have more forgiving shoes for long runs So the superblast doesn’t even get into my rotation I obviously just can’t feel what’s so super about it that everyone else can
@@msandiford93 i love the speeds Iv just started a relatively new pair of speed 2s (for me the best version I haven’t tried the 4s yet and 3s where a bit narrow in the toe box ) But yeah the speed series of shoe I can totally understand the hype around. They are great for speed work while still being great for easy runs
Possibly. It feels I have got the laces tighter in the Peg Plus. I think my SL2 are slightly "short" even if are supposed to be the exact same size as the Peg Plus.
I have the SL2 in a men’s size 10 US which is my usual size (across most brands). I agree that the SL2 is slightly short but not enough for me to size up. Width is just right as well. I tried the Pegasus Plus in store in a size 10 US and found them to be narrow in the toe box. The sole/base of the shoe is definitely on the wider side but I think with the way the upper is designed/stitched on it doesn’t give you a lot of room in the toe box. I could definitely still wear them and hope they’d stretch a bit over time but I wasn’t willing to risk it in case they gave me some kind of irritation.
Absolutely agree with your statement on getting caught up with these giant stack shoes! I don’t know why it’s becoming such a focus atm, everything being massive stack and plated.
@@billycc97 yeah it is a bit puzzling sometimes. Then again I have been running over 40 years now so even ones like these Pegs which some seem to say are “low stack” are a lot more cushioned then anything I wore pre “super” shoes. So a lot of the talk I feel on those who say can only run in high stack is perhaps from newer runners who largely know nothing else.
Really interesting take. I find the more I’m up on my toes and striking cleaning the more the Plus rewards. That extra width gives stability AND a little more ZoomX foam right behind the ball of my foot which I can really feel. The standard Peg is the one I reach for… but having the Plus as a plateless option is so very good.
Very proud of you being able to run over 6miles in them and still having your feet and legs in one piece.
Yeah the 7 mile run was my "longest" in almost 3 months. Surprised I made it :) I think "up on my toes" is my current problem with shoes like this. I can form an "impression" but, due to Achilles type injury, unable to really do that. That said I tried to do some strides end of that run it felt like I had a little too much shoe. Another fact is that the Peg 41 for me feel a lot more comfortable and don't seem to aggravate my Achilles as much as any other shoe I have tried since picked up this issue. I haven't felt like running in the SL2 for the same reason although I think the Peg Plus are "better".
@@TimGrose I bet the 10mm drop in the Peg41 is helping your achilles too. I’m a big fan of the Peg Plus but I keep reaching for the 41 day in and day out.
@@SagasuRunning I think I need to do some more analysis on why some shoes dig into my problematic area and some don’t so much. My literal daily “trainers” Nike Wearallday are great in this regard but maybe as don’t need to wear them too tight. On other hand plush heel counters can have the opposite effect. Those retro Peg 2005 a case in point. Peg Plus less “good” than the Peg 41 it seems.
@@TimGrose Your casual trainers not being as tight AND not putting as much force into them is a huge factor. Plus I bet they are much firmer than anything you are running (support).
@@SagasuRunning very true and yes very firm but "feel" soft just standing about due to the sockliner I guess. Maybe I need to try and run with my shoes less tight to ease the pressure on the Achilles area. Normally though that causes other issues like blisters and/or black toes!
Hi Tim Grose, This is a very good review; i did not appreciate that in my last comment!
I have got Peg Turbo 35, and i am very keen on the comparison, and you summed it up perfectly for me, to know what to expect!
P.S.: I dont know why but you remind me of Mick Jagger!! 😅
There is some resemblance!
Thanks! I am sensing a general vibe from other reviews have seen that some of those reviewers are now so conditioned to only liking soft high stack "super" shoes and maybe with plates that something now like the original Peg Turbo 35 and even this one are more like racing flats and can't seemingly run (or want to) run in a shoe like this. On the other hand, I have run, in training, full and near full marathon distances in the Peg Turbo 1 or 2 and I don't see why, well my current Achilles injury restriction aside, why I could not again. There was also another factor that I liked to use the Turbos also on firm trails like old railways where perhaps that relative lower to the ground feeling is actually better - well for me. I probably would also say if you tried the OG Peg Turbos and did not like them, can't see are likely to like these new ones. There is also the element of foot type and shoe preference. Case in point personal comparisons with shoes like Rebel v4 (too wide for me), Mach 6 (give me blister and I don't much like lower drop shoes), SL2 (soft and very little support) means that all of these shoes have limitations which may or may not be issues for other runners. That all said am looking forward to doing more in the Peg Plus as running full stop for me isn't easy at the moment but some good vibes that I managed to do my longest run for 3 months in them - if only 7 miles. I feel I ought to be able to do that (and more) in anything but good to know there is no asterisk as it were against these.
@@TimGroseHi Tim, wish you the best with speedy recovery! I hate those achilles problems... have had them in the past, was frustrating...but they do go away!
I have still got a couple of pairs of peg turbo 35 original... one of which is still unboxed! I might actually get another pair from StockX if Peg Plus doesn't deliver! that's how much i like them! I dont mind feeling a bit thin under the forefoot.
Most importantly,
1. the zoomx version in the Peg Turbo 35 is really plush! And, it works really well with React foam for a fast ride
2. The shoe feels relatively light weight and therefore fast!
And, Pegasus Plus, I have tried them in a store.... but have not yet made up my mind!
Do you think if Nike were to release Turbo 1 and 2 again, people will buy them rather than Peg Plus?
I just bought them this week and today I completed a 15km run (with a mate who also bought them) with a pace of around 5:30-6:00. I would have to say, this would be one of my best buys right now (compared to my daily Vaporflys 3 I use everyday)... at the end of the day, everyones feet and running style is different. Love your review mate
@@HausofCinematics Good info ty
Thanks. The Plus must offer a slightly different feel if you normally use Vaporflys. I love mine but don't think it is a shoe I would want to use too often. The Plus on the other hand is I think a shoe designed more for "everyday" use.
Great review and use case. Nothing wrong with being a Nike fanboy but it's great you're calling it as it is and actually giving viewers your genuine feel and experience with the shoe. Some reviewers are relying on design alone to trick themselves into thinking these are faster than the current top market plated trainers 😂
Yeah thanks. I am perhaps wanting to like these more than actually have so far. That said been really restricted in my running last few months and I just don't think I can get the most out of them at present.
SL2 is the only Adidas I have to size up half a size.. Upper also very hot.. Lots of ground feel. Very comfortable but you do the work 😂. Not the plate or foam. Great value.
Yeah I said in another comment that the SL2 feels a little short. I don't have a 0.5 size option though. I haven't really been wearing the SL2 as found too "neutral" for my current Achilles type issues.
Great review Tim...first one I've watched. Great to hear about the other Turbo's, none of which I have run in...still not loving the feel of the Pegasus Plus...do love this colourway though...
Thanks. I did see your one and will go and rewatch later. I did get a feeling of a similar vibe that you "sort of" liked them but missing a bit here and there. For us the Turbo 2 especially was noticeably "less shoe" even if very similar.
A superb in depth comparison and analysis Tim. Glad to hear you covered the mud on heel potential too. 👏 I am sure someone will be off on holiday doing an initial review video of this shoe as to not miss the hype. 😎🤘
Was a real nightmare. I did some last minute testing before filming and had to reach for a large pack of flash wipes to remove mud (well possibly !) from heels.
Great review. Just went on my first run with mine today. These would have been perfect in my youth but now I need more cushioning (PF, ITB, etc). I’ll stick with the Zoom Fly 5 for now.
Ah interesting. I have the Zoom Fly 5 buy only did a few runs in them. Just remembered them as rather heavy but guess offer more general than these Peg Plus.
These lightweight non-plated kind of daily trainers with modern foams like the Rebel v4 and Mach 6 really are my favorite kind of shoe right now. Love my carbon racers as much as anyone but can hardly use those every day...
Yeah and I haven't thought of using a carbon plated shoe since got injured. No need to plod along! Even this Peg Plus perhaps is overkill. Not sure if that was shoe related though.
Plus Rebel 4 and Mach 6 substantially less expensive.
@@CharlesMayer-wu5rb true but I don’t really pay too much attention to price especially if a shoe “works”. Mach 6 gave me blister first run
and the 5mm drop I never really get on with. Rebel v4 is stupidly wide for me. In hindsight poor choices for me but wanted to give them a go. So those shoes have both proved “expensive” relative to use. Endorphin Speeds cost more than of all these but I feel at least I get use out of them and feel closest to Turbo 2 in what I feel I want in a lightweight daily trainer.
exactly how i feel. i wanted to love it but I like it a lot. zoomx is the best foam in the right application. Vomero 17, invincible are awful yet vomero 16 and ultrafy are the best shoes I've ever worn (the latter odly not targeted at me, I hate plates and run mixed road and some carriage trails). you are right, the real runners vs. drop, we never had drop in the specs (really we had two specs- weight and was the shoe EVA or TPU). Oddly I love the thin laces, reminds me of the Spiridon and the Skylon
I felt I was "sinking" a bit in the Vomero 17 and I guess it is kind of similar in the Peg Plus albeit a different type of shoe. The ZoomX shoes I have liked the best (Vaporfly, Turbo 1/2, Dragonfly) all have a firmer layer (or plate) to help there. I struggled in the Ultrafly - I think largely as in my UK 13 they are quite heavy and on off road just seemed a lot of shoe.
Great comparisons sir. For me the turbo 2 is/was a classic trainer, racer. A perfect companion to the vapourfly 1/2. Unfortunately In 2024 shoes are like bricks. No feel. Luckily I have a supply of the classics. Have a great day sir.
Thanks. Perhaps there is a sense of deja vu bu the scales don't lie - my Turbo 2 are over 50g lighter than the Peg Plus so brings them into slightly different use cases.
@@TimGrose there's no sniffing at 50gs. It's actually ridiculous. To be lugging about that much extra, well it's lot for me.
I never ran in any of these. I do recall how revered the Turbo 2 was though. Can’t remember why I didn’t take the plunge on them!
By the way, 3/4 insoles might help your achilles too - adds extra drop!
Probably 2018-2020 I mostly used Turbos for "daily" then that changed to Endorphin Speeds when the Turbo 2 was being phased out. Can't say have really heard of 3/4 insoles. I guess they would also make slightly short shoes fit better.
I just got them and will compare against Peg Turbo 1 (which I am running in a fresh pair) and Turbo 2. When Turbo 1 came out you had the Vaporfly and nothing much faster in competing shoes. Now there are so many options for speed/tempo shoes which includes running in "used" race shoes. But a pair of shoes to run for not so easy shoes that are comfortable and not too heavy or inflexible are hard to find. So hopefully this Peg 3 will work. One shoe I would want to compare against is the Saucony Rebel V4. It's a shame that Nike wasted a few years without a real Peg Turbo. You mentioned more width/stability and flexibility which is absolutely necessary for me. Also agreed for some reason 7-9 miles was about the sweet spot for this shoe. They never made it to long run shoes.
Be interesting to see how you find them. Rebel v4 is not a bad shoe for sure but it is just so wide so having a rather narrow foot felt like I was carrying around a load of excess. Sorry the 7 mile thing was a bit of a joke as another reviewer said after 6 miles they gave him sore feet so thought had better try 7 and so see if I could. It was also my longest run for 3 months as I have been rather restricted of late by an Achilles type injury. I did actually manage a full marathon in training in the Turbos one time. As you say though - far less choice back in 2018
@@TimGrose I also have narrower feet, so maybe I won't try the rebel v4. I like to walk in shoes to wear them in a bit before running (excpet for plated shoes)
@@robertw4918 I had to pull in the laces an awful in the Rebel v4 so never felt I was really feeling the shoe how it is meant to be. That said it is very light for a "training" shoe and if you like lower drops might be worth checking out. Otherwise it is one of those shoes I think I should try, do a few runs in them and then just seem to leave in a pile of shoes I just don't wear.
Big fan of the peg range. Brilliant walking shoes as well
Yes indeed. Of late I have done a lot of walking in the Peg 41s. These Peg Plus would be OK too but think the Peg 41s would be my first choice as bit more supportive. If wet, the Pegasus Trail 5 GORE-TEX that I have just put out a video on would be a good bet.
@@TimGrose I covered over 1000 kilometres in my peg trial 4 and just replaced them with peg 41. All pegsc fit my feet perfectly and the epic react was brilliant too
@@johnrichardson7785 ah so did you use those "Trail" shoes on any surface? I guess in return the Peg 41 is "really" a road shoe but the outsole grip is fine for at least "light" trails for sure.
@@TimGrose I have a new pair of adidas Terrex Speed Ultra Trail so should be okay. I'm on my third pair of air deschutz sandals after your review a few years ago. They are brilliant!
The Next Nature's firmness makes the shoe feel flat when running. The Pegasus Plus (from just wearing it at the Nike store), feels like a cut down Infinity Run. Although the fit is very similar to the Turbo 1/2. The ZoomX just sinks down until your feet hits the ground (not literally). It feels like it's compressing all the way down and then decompresses (not rebound) as you lift off. The rebound doesn't feel that good, feels like you're sinking on every step. Instead of giving back energy return, it sucks it in. The Vaporfly 3's ZoomX definitely feels firmer and the rebound is there. Foam density is not the same. Feels like an Infinity Turbo. I almost bought a pair, but my girlfriend bought me Peg 41's. I would only buy the Plus if they came out in Black with the Pink swoosh that's reminiscent of my O.G. Turbo 2's.
In a way, the Plus did remind me of the Next Nature but not quite as "firm" (well in a relative sense) a ride and less ground feel. Back in 2022 I did some relatively fast runs/sessions in the Next Nature and although not wonderful they did a turn. Agree these non plated full ZoomX shoes do have that sinking feeling which I don't get in say Vaporflys or Dragonflys. That said a short run in the Plus on one foot and the Turbo 1 on other and they did feel quite similar. I have been enjoying the Peg 41 - having some injury concerns of late I have actually valued the firmer feel and they are very comfortable. I think you can usefully have both the Peg 41 and the Plus. The use cases overlap but feel the Plus is going to be "happier" going a bit faster whereas in the Peg 41 I feel is a good shoe for those days just want to get out there with no particular performance aims.
Most reviewers compare this to Mach 6 Rebel V4 and the Sl2 all of which are a lot cheaper. After testing the foam under my feet I felt Pegasus plus was a bit like an upgrade to my Sl2 and Rebel v3 (I don't have the Rebel v4). I would have bought them in rotation with my Sl2 if they were $20 cheaper.
@@snowwalker9999 yeah all of those are sort of similar but for different tastes IMHO. Mach 6 is low drop, Rebel v4 is very wide, SL2 soft and very neutral. I ought to do a Shoeoff between them.
@@TimGrose i think it’ll be a good comparison video. Maybe if I actually ran in Pegasus plus I would think they were superior to all the other comparable shoes. I liked them though. I just need to be able to justify the price. I’m sure you’ve seen Sagasu running speaks highly of them with great analysis. But shoe performance can be subjective.
I echo your sentiments, Tim. I tried it on in Nike Town earlier and it just felt big, and just by walking about in it didn't feel like it was going to be helpful in lifting the pace on a run. Another case of I'll wait until it's on offer next year! I'm guessing it's a shoe that might improve with the more miles put down, a bit like the Pegasus?
Yeah I guess I was some disappointed that in 5 years since the Turbo 2, they contrived to add 50g to the shoe (in my size) despite full ZoomX which maybe why it is also now wider for stability. It's not a bad shoe for sure but, in all honesty, does not stand out. Sure I will still want to keep running it though. As you say it might improve when have managed to get a consistent lockdown. I guess my Peg 41s have improved with time. Very comfortable now when put on.
The racing strip makes you faster. Like the shark fin on the back of the heel in the Puma Fast R 🎉
Of course :)
I had the turbo 1 & 2 and both pairs separated near the heel. I believe the heat had a big part to play in it (i also had to send back my Alfafly 2 and invincible 1s). The only Nike that lasted are the Vapourfly 2 (which im still using).
Ah that's not good. All of my pairs of them have been fine. Does not often get too hot here in the UK though.
Drop number are deceiving. It should be dynamic drop.. Soft midsole makes the drop lower.
These certainly feel that a Hoka 5mm drop but equally feel "flatter" than what I normally think of 10mm drop.
I keep on going to buy this because I think it looks great more than anything but, I’m not sure what this is bringing that I don’t already get from the Streakfly?
I really enjoyed the Mach 6, if it’s hitting the same spots as that I’m more interested. I took the Mach 6 to 16 mile long run no worries but it sounds like this is more limited?
The "limitation" is more me right. That 7 mile run is longest have ever done since May due to an Achilles type injury. Sure I could go a lot further in them just like I did in all the previous versions including a full marathon distance in training. For me the Streakfly is about 100g lighter so I guess it depends what you use them for. If you only use them for short fast run then the Plus ought to give a more bit for longer runs. I think the Mach 6 serves a similar type of purpose for sure and a bit lighter. Largely depends what suits you better. I have never been much of a fan of those relatively low drop shoes like Hoka ones although the Plus "feels" a bit less than its actual 10mm drop.
Feel bad for saying I've ran only in the asics sb2 since o got em
Good they are working for you. Often wondered if I would like them.
Good review, though “feels like the first one” sounds great, but “not what I hoped for” sounds meh.
I still occasionally run in my Pegasus Turbo 1s, still soft and bouncy after several years and 1,000+ miles. What is now considered low stack, these shoes were/are fun and kind to my knees.
My Pegasus Turbo 2s self destructed, both the pair I bought and the warranty replacement pair. Barely any miles, upper and sole separated.
I think the issue is, back in 2018/2019, the Pegasus Turbo set an entirely new standard. I even used the word “revelation” when describing them to Mizuno Running product team, they were a marketing client at the time.
But now, there’s a flood of great shoes that match or surpass Pegasus Turbo and Pegasus Plus.
I want to like it too (the lack of a swallowtail makes it a little less special), but it doesn’t seem like it does anything better than my SL2s or DV8 Nitro 3s.
On the other hand, EddBud absolutely loved it.
Ah sorry that is a bit vague isn’t it. What I really meant was more in comparison with the Turbo 2 which were at least 50g lighter than the Plus for my UK 13 and fitted my relatively narrow feet better so in that sense the Turbo 2 I feel had a different use case. OK both daily trainers but the Turbo 2 lot nimbler. The Turbo 1 fejt kind of similar in ride but again Turbo 1 fitted me better and slightly lighter. I had 4 pairs of the Turbo 2 and the Shield version as well. Agree though that the 1st version lasted longer. I got my first 3 Turbo 2s to about 300-350 miles each. So I think it as much the fit that was bit meh on and the fact the added weight seems to come from a wider shoe with a fair bit of padding. As such feel it is closer to a standard daily trainer than something ultra light like the Streakfly. Yes agreed though there are plenty of shoes now “sort of” like this. I guess the “problem” is none of them are made by Nike. Maybe though again they just don’t scale so great for me and I also must admit right now, due to injury, I only need a shoe to do easy miles and in that sense the Peg 41 has worked well and seems to aggravate my Achilles less than other shoes been using of late including the Plus.
And PS EddBud did like them but equally was that from the POV of a fairly lightweight daily trainer from Nike when there has been nothing else of that ilk since the Turbo 2 especially as he did not think much of the Next Nature. I think what he found about being “fun” was what I remember after my first run in the Next Nature ones. It helped though that I was fully fit and able to give them “full gas” then.
@@TimGrose That’s fine, really, “feels like Turbo 1” is what I’m looking for!
@@CharlesMayer-wu5rb yeah in that sense wasn’t miles off and even the supposed 7mm higher drop wasn’t that obvious to me. That said only based on a wearing one of each for a few “steady” strides, walking about a bit and wearing for an hour or so “at desk”. Largely for a Shorts vid I put out shortly before this one.
@@TimGrose I’m not as serious of a runner as you, I run for fitness, maybe 6-8 miles per day, I don’t really track my pace, I measure my results looking in the mirror and standing on the scale🤣.
So I look for shoes that are fun, responsive, good looking, and gentle on my knees.
You can tell I’m not a serious runner, because my shoe rotation is all the same kind of shoe - DV8 Nitro 3, SL2, and two fresh pair of Speed 2s and Tempo Next%🤣.
Note I enjoy them all, but Speed 2 beats them all, just a hint of extra stability/arch support and better fit.
Keep up the great work.
Honestly you couldn’t have said it better
Thanks! I feel it is a good shoe but not really "better" than the Turbo 2.
Nike is going through a rough patch... Sadly even Kipchoge is not doing it for them!
But it is largely their own doing-- they have got the foams (zoomx still works the best for most runners), the technology, the market size/penetration-- They have got it all! But they dont really listen to their customers anymore! They are out of touch with the marathon public...they could do better by consulting a few good reviewers such as yourself (rather than all the "experts" they currently have got!)!
Well, Nike may do as they wish...but runners will not suffer fools!
Yeah sometimes I do wonder who they are trying to cater for when shoes are slowly getting wider and heavier. Sometimes it feels like they think are trying to make everything fit everybody.
When you get better ... have you ever thought of the ultra and trail running?
I have run further than a marathon a few times in training with 55K on my 55th birthday back in 2021 being my longest run ever. Can't say actually racing them has ever really appealead but never say never.
Price it appropriately, and maybe they will do ok. The same price as the Invincible is sorta odd...unless putting "turbo" on the outsole costs $25 CDN extra...Context, here in Canada the Peg 41 is $180, Peg Plus is $235 and Invincible is also $235. Basically boils down to....is it a decent shoe? Sure, but there are better options for less from numerous brands. In the racing space, Nike is awesome....beyond that....meh.
TBH I am not too bothered about the exact price as long as it is in a range of what expect for a certain shoe. In the UK the Peg Plus is £165 and the Peg 41 £130 and things like that the Mach 6 are £140 but Speed 4 £180. So far I have the cheapest and most expensive of those the most.
@@TimGrose Speed 4 is $220CDN, Mach6 $165, Rebel V4 $180. Just a few examples. You British folks really get screwed on pricing! :(
I like ZoomX (Vaporfly, Invincible) but I don't really care for the Pegasus, the Plus could be interesting as a workout shoe but I have enough plated super shoes that are still plenty good enough for workouts, so why pay that much for this one? And if I want something non-plated with a super-foam I'd probably try something like the Topo Cyclone 2, that I heard a lot of good things about. If the Peg plus hits the Nike outlets at heavy discounts I will be tempted, but now .... meh.
I think, like me, if you liked the previous Turbos and/or Nike shoes generally this will get attention. Of course if you have shoes working for you, no need for more but I never seem to listen to myself :) Topo shoes I understand are zero drop with rather wide toe boxes so certainly would not interest me.
@TimGrose the Cyclone 2 has a 5mm drop, but I think UK12 is the biggest size, which I'm sure will fit you just fine after some surgery. The Doctors of running praise them a lot, that got me interested, but I never tried a Topo before. Nike for me is hate/love, I bought several VF and Tempo, but daily ones like the Peg or Miler all got retired quickly. But thanks for supporting my uneconomical shoe buying addiction 🤣.
@@therunophil ah sometimes shoes stopping at UK 12 can be “helpful” in this regard :)
Looks really nice would it work for a non plated speed shoe
I get knee injures doing speed sessions in the low stack no plated shoe like the streakfly
Also I have the superblast and in my opinion it’s the most over rated shoe on RUclips.
Don’t get me wrong it’s perfectly good but it’s nothing special
It has loads of light weight cushioning but that cushioning is quite firm and I don’t feel any bounce from it.
To be honest I don’t think it’s really much better then the Novablast 3
Novablast better for easy pace and super for faster but not much in it apart from price 😂
Just seem like people think it’s amazing because everyone else’s say it is and everyone has jumped on the bandwagon and convinced themselves
Or ….. it really is amazing and its me that isn’t particularly keen on them 🤣
They are incredibly light for the amount of stack hight you get so I’d give them that
I think the fod runner might like them but he likes firmer shoes
If something is amazing, is very personal... The Novablast 3 has all kinds of issues for me, and it certainly doesn't want to go fast 🤷🏽♀
I agree re the Superblasts. Got a pair when ASICS had them half price and really don't see what the hype is all about. Definitely wouldn't pay the RRP for them.
Have nearly 500km in my Saucony Speed 4s and I find them by far superior and even the Triumph 21 which can be used for a wide range of paces and distances.
@@msandiford93that's why there are so many different types of running trainers. They won't work for everyone but the Superblast work for more people than they dont!
@@theghostofpcs2391 firstly you’re right it is a personal thing if something is amazing or not so I’m not arguing with you there .
My point is tho the superblast is supposed to be amazing because you can do every kind of run it and it great
the Novablast isn’t my pick for a speed shoe but it can do it and I have done it plus it’s way better at easy paces
The superblast is better for speed but it’s still not my pick as a speed day shoe and it’s not as good at easy paces
So if you are only having one shoe why not get the cheaper one
I use a shoe rotation anyway and the Novablast works great as a everyday trainer
the superblast is too firm for easy runs not fast enough for a speed days and I have more forgiving shoes for long runs
So the superblast doesn’t even get into my rotation
I obviously just can’t feel what’s so super about it that everyone else can
@@msandiford93 i love the speeds
Iv just started a relatively new pair of speed 2s (for me the best version I haven’t tried the 4s yet and 3s where a bit narrow in the toe box )
But yeah the speed series of shoe I can totally understand the hype around.
They are great for speed work while still being great for easy runs
Is the Nike wider in the toebox then the SL2?
Possibly. It feels I have got the laces tighter in the Peg Plus. I think my SL2 are slightly "short" even if are supposed to be the exact same size as the Peg Plus.
I have the SL2 in a men’s size 10 US which is my usual size (across most brands). I agree that the SL2 is slightly short but not enough for me to size up. Width is just right as well. I tried the Pegasus Plus in store in a size 10 US and found them to be narrow in the toe box. The sole/base of the shoe is definitely on the wider side but I think with the way the upper is designed/stitched on it doesn’t give you a lot of room in the toe box. I could definitely still wear them and hope they’d stretch a bit over time but I wasn’t willing to risk it in case they gave me some kind of irritation.