Thankyou, realy glad you enjoyed the videos, more comming soon also more about fighting under the London prize ring rules as hold, throws and trips were allowed so will be having some fun learning standing catch and Swiss wrestling. I'm in the planning stages of some documentaries about the Great champions, thinking of doing a weekly live soon too. If there's anything you would like to see put it in the comments. Thanks again. Dan.
There have been a lot of comments about similarities between boxing bare knnuckle in the victorian era and punching in either Karate or Wing Chun. Yes, there are a lot of similarities, so it's an interesting discussion so I think I will do a video about this topic.
Did the people in this time period 1850 - 1880 AD punch using the larger top two knuckles as the striking surface area of the fist in punching, or did they use the bottom three knuckle surface contact punching landing like Jack Dempsey, Bruce Lee, Teri Tom, and Connor McGregor!!! Also, that Karl Eastwood guy who is like a mad scientist who experiments with punching mechanics?
@TonyqTNT most prize fighters punched with bottom three, Karate uses top two. I tend to go with Jack Dempsey and land bottom 3 personally, but top two works as long as you are used to punching like that. Hope you enjoyed the comparison video. Part two will come out soon and will be looking at back fist and blocks or parries.
Thanks. Yes a very much overlooked and important aspect of boxing as not just as to see the roots of modern booxing but also being able to hit with barefists is a very different ball game than with gloves on. Glad you enjoyed the video aslo you asked a great question. I would go for bottom 3 knuckles. I did a video all about this, that will answer all your questions and more, here is the link ruclips.net/video/6L8X9gn7ogU/видео.htmlfeature=shared
Hope you found the link for the video and found it usefull in answering your questions about how and why prize fighters punched the way they did. If you wouldn't mind letting me know what you thought of the video as feed back helps me to deliver better video content. Thanks @DanOldSkoolConditioningMan
@@DanOldSkoolConditioningMan it's a super effective technique, looks like it was it based on the Filipino principal on defanging the snake! Great work man 👊
@Br1gHtB1AcK No it hundreds of years of bareknuckle Prize fighting from 1882 but dates back to the first recorded prize fight in England in 1680s. But I know what you mean. Effective fighting is effective fighting wherever it comes from.
I fight like them ..natural... But...if you are an incredible boxer....like jimmy young....you stay out of "power range"...like he did with ali....and especially foreman....with the fittzimmon....shift....you will be a winner
That's great. Thanks for watching. I'm glad you enjoyed the video. I hope you enjoy the channel. I will be posting part 1 of the story of Bartitsu and Edward William Barton-Wrights' early life later, I think you might like it.
Blocking his orthodox jab with your left arm is going to leave you open to an overhand right or right hook! Interesting video and no disrespect, but do you really think this defence would be effective against a modern boxer? I'm a qualified coach with the IABA and coach at St. Mathews in Dublin and we teach our boxers to block, frame or parry with the right hand against an orthodox jab, leaving your left hand in the high guard to protect against an orthodox right. i don't doubt that those boys back in the day were hard as fcuk and the old style of boxing may be effective in a self defence situation. But i have my reservations about it being effective against a modern boxer. Would they have utilised slips and rolls, pullbacks and pivots back in the day?
It's not meant to be used against a modern boxer it's research into pugilism of the late victorian era as it was transitioning out of the bareknuckle era. This was John L Sullivan's trademark defence and counter. Boxing back then was a very different sport than modern boxing. Sulivan fought under both London Prize Ring Rules, which allowed holds trips and throws. Queensbury rules, which still govern boxing today. into the rules that. The reason David is throwing an orthodox jab is only because I didn't have several hours to train him in the victorian pugilistic tradition, but it illustrates that Sulivans aggressive defence works. I never said this would work against a modern boxer nor was this the intension of the demonstration. Hope this clears up any misunderstanding you have had.
Yes they did use slips rolls and leaning to evade punches. This video was just about John L Sulivans left arm chopping block. As for your comment about self defence, again I am not putting out videos about modern self defence. Bareknuckle boxing is being learned to re create Edward William Barton-Wrights New Art of Self Defence, Bartitsu of 1898 to 1902. In its original style. And certainly not intended as usable for self defence today. Also there is a limit to what defensive victorian era pugilism techniques I can put into one video. As a coach you should be able to appreciate this moot point. Again I hope this clears up any misunderstanding you have about the video and the channel.
@@DanOldSkoolConditioningMan I just find it interesting how the boxers of old, or pugilists, would've fought and to make comparisons with modern boxing. There are no secret techniques in amateur boxing, might be different in the Pro's. But thanks for your reply and keep the videos comming. Just subbed you, mate. Good luck👍
@@thomasdilworth7691 Thanks for the comment and the sub im glad you enjoyed the video, comming from a boxing background my self, i have become increasingly more interested in pugilism and Prize fighting through to early modern boxing. Iam working on a video you might find interesting and answering an age old question, the who would win arguament, old school Champions or modern Champions and why there aare many reasons you cant make comparisons and pull people out of history into what are now completely different sports.. Hope you enjoy the Channel. Thanks again Dan.
@DanOldSkoolConditioningMan Isn't Bartitsu with a walking stick or umbrella? I think maybe even some other weapons, i could be wrong but i thought it was predominately self defence with weapons of the victorian era?
And breaks his hand and that's why they didn't throw those types of punches as before 1892 gloves were not mandatory and in 1880s no gloves were worn. But thanks for watching the video and for the insightful comment.
@@DanOldSkoolConditioningManPoint taken. The truth is I know very little about bare knuckle boxing in that era, and used modern boxing thinking to analyze the technique. But I have seen overhand rights thrown in modern bare knuckle, so I know it is possible to land it without breaking your hand. Could there be another reason for them not throwing the overhand back then? A more comprehensive video about this style of boxing would be very interesting indeed. I appreciate your respectful reply and I apologize if my comment was condescending. Props to you for researching boxing history.
@dumimic thankyou, yes you could throw an over hand punch but you wouldn't want to do it to many times as you will end up breaking your hand, these videos are just the beginning of an exploration into bareknuckle prize fighting a of both victorian and early edwardian era. Alot more videos are comming but as we have covered the basic punches in earlier videos, I have only just got into showing the first of blocking and counter punching. More complexity will come in a logical manner.
@daveb2182 it's a historical look at boxing and self defence of the late victorrian age its not meant to be used in boxing today, but I'd did say this in the video.
No it's not a joke. I don't know about Sullivan but it's consistent with all the stuff you find in 19th century boxing manuals. Boxing was different then it is now. The gloves changed things a lot.
@haffoc John L Sulivan was the first Heavyweight World champion 1882 to 1892. The last bare knuckle champion and the last champion to fight under both London Prize Ring Rules and Queensbury rules. Also, first prize fighter to earn 1 million dollars in his lifetime. I am just in the process of putting together a documentary about him and his fights.
Great vid, Dan! Thank you for your hard work at putting these together for the fans!
Thankyou, realy glad you enjoyed the videos, more comming soon also more about fighting under the London prize ring rules as hold, throws and trips were allowed so will be having some fun learning standing catch and Swiss wrestling. I'm in the planning stages of some documentaries about the Great champions, thinking of doing a weekly live soon too. If there's anything you would like to see put it in the comments. Thanks again. Dan.
Love it. Lots of parallels between this style and older Karate too
Yes, even more so if you look at the victorian era, savate as well. What worked works. Glad you enjoyed the video, hope you enjoy the channel.
Yeah I noticed the link to Karate too which has preserved many bareknuckle techniques and conditioning.
There have been a lot of comments about similarities between boxing bare knnuckle in the victorian era and punching in either Karate or Wing Chun. Yes, there are a lot of similarities, so it's an interesting discussion so I think I will do a video about this topic.
Great video Dan again them blocks do hurt.
Thanks, thought you would like this one.
Did the people in this time period
1850 - 1880 AD punch using the larger top two knuckles as the striking surface area of the fist in punching, or did they use the bottom three knuckle surface contact punching landing like
Jack Dempsey, Bruce Lee, Teri Tom, and Connor McGregor!!!
Also, that Karl Eastwood guy who is like a mad scientist who experiments with punching mechanics?
@TonyqTNT most prize fighters punched with bottom three, Karate uses top two. I tend to go with Jack Dempsey and land bottom 3 personally, but top two works as long as you are used to punching like that. Hope you enjoyed the comparison video. Part two will come out soon and will be looking at back fist and blocks or parries.
Good video on an overlooked aspect of boxing. Question: which knuckles did the old school strike with? Does it depend on angle?
Thanks. Yes a very much overlooked and important aspect of boxing as not just as to see the roots of modern booxing but also being able to hit with barefists is a very different ball game than with gloves on. Glad you enjoyed the video aslo you asked a great question. I would go for bottom 3 knuckles. I did a video all about this, that will answer all your questions and more, here is the link
ruclips.net/video/6L8X9gn7ogU/видео.htmlfeature=shared
Hope you found the link for the video and found it usefull in answering your questions about how and why prize fighters punched the way they did. If you wouldn't mind letting me know what you thought of the video as feed back helps me to deliver better video content. Thanks @DanOldSkoolConditioningMan
Subbed and liked 👍
Thank you Lads.
Thanks glad you enjoyed it
good and interesting!
Glad you enjoyed our delving into boxing under the London Prize Ring Rules and looking at bareknuckle techniques of the Great John L Sulivan.
David is...about to rub them wrists out!
Oh yes, those chopping blocks quickly deaden the forearms.
@@DanOldSkoolConditioningMan it's a super effective technique, looks like it was it based on the Filipino principal on defanging the snake! Great work man 👊
@Br1gHtB1AcK No it hundreds of years of bareknuckle Prize fighting from 1882 but dates back to the first recorded prize fight in England in 1680s. But I know what you mean. Effective fighting is effective fighting wherever it comes from.
This would explain why the old timers stood like that in the black and white photos of them, then?
Exactly, right boxing was just coming out of the bare knuckle era, transitioning to gloved boxing.
John L Sullivan did this?
Yep it was his trademark defence
I fight like them ..natural...
But...if you are an incredible boxer....like jimmy young....you stay out of "power range"...like he did with ali....and especially foreman....with the fittzimmon....shift....you will be a winner
That's great. Thanks for watching. I'm glad you enjoyed the video. I hope you enjoy the channel. I will be posting part 1 of the story of Bartitsu and Edward William Barton-Wrights' early life later, I think you might like it.
Blocking his orthodox jab with your left arm is going to leave you open to an overhand right or right hook! Interesting video and no disrespect, but do you really think this defence would be effective against a modern boxer? I'm a qualified coach with the IABA and coach at St. Mathews in Dublin and we teach our boxers to block, frame or parry with the right hand against an orthodox jab, leaving your left hand in the high guard to protect against an orthodox right. i don't doubt that those boys back in the day were hard as fcuk and the old style of boxing may be effective in a self defence situation. But i have my reservations about it being effective against a modern boxer. Would they have utilised slips and rolls, pullbacks and pivots back in the day?
It's not meant to be used against a modern boxer it's research into pugilism of the late victorian era as it was transitioning out of the bareknuckle era. This was John L Sullivan's trademark defence and counter. Boxing back then was a very different sport than modern boxing. Sulivan fought under both London Prize Ring Rules, which allowed holds trips and throws. Queensbury rules, which still govern boxing today. into the rules that. The reason David is throwing an orthodox jab is only because I didn't have several hours to train him in the victorian pugilistic tradition, but it illustrates that Sulivans aggressive defence works. I never said this would work against a modern boxer nor was this the intension of the demonstration. Hope this clears up any misunderstanding you have had.
Yes they did use slips rolls and leaning to evade punches. This video was just about John L Sulivans left arm chopping block. As for your comment about self defence, again I am not putting out videos about modern self defence. Bareknuckle boxing is being learned to re create Edward William Barton-Wrights New Art of Self Defence, Bartitsu of 1898 to 1902. In its original style. And certainly not intended as usable for self defence today. Also there is a limit to what defensive victorian era pugilism techniques I can put into one video. As a coach you should be able to appreciate this moot point. Again I hope this clears up any misunderstanding you have about the video and the channel.
@@DanOldSkoolConditioningMan I just find it interesting how the boxers of old, or pugilists, would've fought and to make comparisons with modern boxing. There are no secret techniques in amateur boxing, might be different in the Pro's. But thanks for your reply and keep the videos comming. Just subbed you, mate. Good luck👍
@@thomasdilworth7691 Thanks for the comment and the sub im glad you enjoyed the video, comming from a boxing background my self, i have become increasingly more interested in pugilism and Prize fighting through to early modern boxing. Iam working on a video you might find interesting and answering an age old question, the who would win arguament, old school Champions or modern Champions and why there aare many reasons you cant make comparisons and pull people out of history into what are now completely different sports.. Hope you enjoy the Channel. Thanks again Dan.
@DanOldSkoolConditioningMan Isn't Bartitsu with a walking stick or umbrella? I think maybe even some other weapons, i could be wrong but i thought it was predominately self defence with weapons of the victorian era?
This is great until he feints the jab and pops an overhand right.
And breaks his hand and that's why they didn't throw those types of punches as before 1892 gloves were not mandatory and in 1880s no gloves were worn. But thanks for watching the video and for the insightful comment.
@@DanOldSkoolConditioningManPoint taken. The truth is I know very little about bare knuckle boxing in that era, and used modern boxing thinking to analyze the technique. But I have seen overhand rights thrown in modern bare knuckle, so I know it is possible to land it without breaking your hand. Could there be another reason for them not throwing the overhand back then? A more comprehensive video about this style of boxing would be very interesting indeed. I appreciate your respectful reply and I apologize if my comment was condescending. Props to you for researching boxing history.
@dumimic thankyou, yes you could throw an over hand punch but you wouldn't want to do it to many times as you will end up breaking your hand, these videos are just the beginning of an exploration into bareknuckle prize fighting a of both victorian and early edwardian era. Alot more videos are comming but as we have covered the basic punches in earlier videos, I have only just got into showing the first of blocking and counter punching. More complexity will come in a logical manner.
@dumimic I also appreciate your respectful reply.
@@DanOldSkoolConditioningMancould you show the parries for the swings?
Nobody punches like that in reality
But they did in 1882
@@DanOldSkoolConditioningMan it's 2024
@daveb2182 it's a historical look at boxing and self defence of the late victorrian age its not meant to be used in boxing today, but I'd did say this in the video.
@@DanOldSkoolConditioningMan fair enough
Is this a joke?😂
Nope, just read the title. Thanks for watching, though, and thanks for taking the time to comment.
No it's not a joke. I don't know about Sullivan but it's consistent with all the stuff you find in 19th century boxing manuals. Boxing was different then it is now. The gloves changed things a lot.
@haffoc John L Sulivan was the first Heavyweight World champion 1882 to 1892. The last bare knuckle champion and the last champion to fight under both London Prize Ring Rules and Queensbury rules. Also, first prize fighter to earn 1 million dollars in his lifetime. I am just in the process of putting together a documentary about him and his fights.
Is that how they used to spell School?
No