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  • @grantisshananaa4906
    @grantisshananaa4906 Год назад +346

    "Do you know what snipers do? They one shot."
    Ana: Am I a joke to you?

    • @iSuckAtGamesGG
      @iSuckAtGamesGG Год назад +62

      funny thing is that 1 shot snipers are usually broken or usless in most games, almost like they are hard to actually balance or something

    • @x-hunterhunkdooms8715
      @x-hunterhunkdooms8715 Год назад +5

      @@iSuckAtGamesGG Nah, take for example the Longshot from the Gears of War Saga, on Gears 1 it was a one shot down when you hit an active reload, know is one of the best snipers in gaming for how easy they balance it *The active reload now closes the reticle much faster for a 100% accuracy shot* and is a 2 shot down if youre not going for headshots *sorry if my english is bad*

    • @ofimportance5458
      @ofimportance5458 Год назад

      @Alexander Hatt cuz it got nerfed clown

    • @trystenchristiansen2770
      @trystenchristiansen2770 Год назад

      Loll

    • @cheesybeans9476
      @cheesybeans9476 Год назад

      ​@@iSuckAtGamesGG Kali from siege had a lot of issues with 1 shot. It's now I'm pretty sure she still has a 1 shot for weaker operators but the 2 and 3 armors tank it but a 1 armor will only become injured if they have a rook plate

  • @PoyntFury
    @PoyntFury Год назад +244

    I swear to God Ball players are playing a completely different game from the rest of us.

    • @ProfDCoy
      @ProfDCoy Год назад +16

      A more fun game too!
      (For us.)

    • @billiardface439
      @billiardface439 Год назад +5

      This comment made me let out a cheeky chuckle

    • @Zooms888
      @Zooms888 Год назад +3

      @@billiardface439 That was some fire alliteration my guy 🔥🔥🥶🥶🔥

    • @partystarter8041
      @partystarter8041 10 месяцев назад

      Using the techs are fun

  • @DankBobRoss
    @DankBobRoss Год назад +729

    I swear they are testing the waters with widow in the April update

    • @nicholasbryant6122
      @nicholasbryant6122 Год назад +57

      Yeah same, a lot of the changes give me that vibe

    • @thawingkarma233
      @thawingkarma233 Год назад +51

      SOMEONE WHO NOTICED IT TOO. The change is SO CLEVER tbh. 😂🤣

    • @Grodycell
      @Grodycell Год назад +46

      @@nicholasbryant6122 Yes I really want 30 meter roadhog hook

    • @4for4for4for4
      @4for4for4for4 Год назад +8

      i hope they keep this widow change

    • @thawingkarma233
      @thawingkarma233 Год назад +17

      @@4for4for4for4 Yessss. But I think they would have to increase her shot’s hit-box, it’d quite small, and if they’re removing the 1 shot, it would make sense. It would also lower the skill required to play the character (mostly aim) so more people would be able to play her without getting 2 or 3 crits per game.

  • @shadei1142
    @shadei1142 Год назад +227

    Just give her a sight line like Torb’s turret

    • @GodOfPizza
      @GodOfPizza Год назад +68

      A faint laser from her gun when scoping might be a good nerf, but knowing blizzard, they're gonna somehow mess up adding a line

    • @Liam-vb3xo
      @Liam-vb3xo Год назад +7

      Fr, atleast then there's some form or warning and thus, counterplay

    • @MrWhite0052
      @MrWhite0052 Год назад +4

      @@GodOfPizza they already did in the Olympus event, worked fine there

    • @Shadowbrodie
      @Shadowbrodie Год назад +4

      Oh that's actually a good idea, even just a dot where she's aiming like in TF2 would be nice.

    • @Mars-et8vc
      @Mars-et8vc Год назад +4

      That’s not really a good solution. Widow would just need to look away while chargeing. It would make playing her very frustrating and only further the skill needed to play her

  • @thawingkarma233
    @thawingkarma233 Год назад +288

    The April Fools change for Widow is SO smart, I swear they are literally testing some things with it. The fact that it works so that the if you hit a crit hit, you will do a burst of damage and then the rest of the damage will be poison, it will still be a total of 300 damage, and it will force people to either run for a health pack or supports and hang on for dear life 😂🤣. It will still kill you if you’re not quick enough to react, and your supports may have to invest their healing on you for a while, but at least you will have a chance to live through it and it won’t be as oppressive, it will still be DECENT, maybe good even, but not as oppressive as the current 1 shot is. It also…makes sense…? for Widow’s character to use venom shots…I mean..spider theme 🕷️. I think it’s a really clever change, and I honestly think they’re cooking. 👀
    Also I just finished a game and Dva’s ult voice line is saying sorry to her mechanic (can’t remember his name) because well..you know…he’s her mechanic. But isn’t this weird? Hhmmm, they could’ve given her a different voice line like “Time to blow up.” or something, but they decided to make a reference to another character…one who happens to be a mechanic and is also a male….if you know the hero release pattern than you know. Could he be the new support? 🫢😳

    • @foadmoalem4908
      @foadmoalem4908 Год назад +12

      speaking of testing via the April fool’s update, the sym changes can actually make her her own unique character, if lets say that her turrets don’t stay on walls for more than 5-7 seconds we can get a more brawl like character

    • @plague1824
      @plague1824 Год назад +18

      Ngl I much rather have this kinda widow, can still kill many but doesn't make it unfun

    • @mvgikk1969
      @mvgikk1969 Год назад +6

      @@plague1824 yeah it actually punishes for positioning now

    • @plague1824
      @plague1824 Год назад +3

      @@mvgikk1969 yea, without the one-shot making everyone too scared to peek

    • @curtispritchard5938
      @curtispritchard5938 Год назад

      An interesting take on the mechanic but more likely just lore related. ruclips.net/video/q7j2d6YCQbg/видео.html

  • @branflakescereal4174
    @branflakescereal4174 Год назад +140

    “You can’t take her one shot because her one shot is the focus of her character” essentially which is the problem with her

    • @hdb999
      @hdb999 Год назад +25

      Sounds like the Mercy defense for mass rez lol. And we saw how that went...

    • @DANKMAN.
      @DANKMAN. Год назад +5

      They could implement a damage drop off, would still have to be 'sniper' range before it applies. Max damage drop off should still kill the squishies with one max charge headshot, and speaking of the charge, lower the charge rate just a bit
      Just my take, might be good might not be

    • @PunkZombie1300
      @PunkZombie1300 Год назад +5

      I feel like you can keep her one shot while making her a lot less oppressive. Reduce her damage so she does a max of 200, 260 with Mercy boost. She can still one shot squishies while needing a pocket for the tankier ones. This mainly affects her damage against tanks so instead of 2-3 shotting a lot of them she needs to 3-4 shot them unless being boosted.
      It's not perfect but she really doesn't need to be doing 300 damage per shot. Maybe bring her hp down to 150 as well.

    • @VampiresAreRealGuys
      @VampiresAreRealGuys Год назад +1

      @@hdb999 mercy still has rez. it would be more like if widow could one shot a whole team at once and they changed her to what she is now

    • @SampleChan
      @SampleChan Год назад

      ​@@hdb999mercy is a doctor and medic, not a necromancer though 😂
      Edit: and she still has rez lol

  • @johnmetzakis2910
    @johnmetzakis2910 Год назад +30

    Ive always suggested they redesign her venom mine to be incorporated with her rifle, like give her a minor wall hack to targets affected with the mine, and her 1 tap is only possible to affected targets, then also adjust the mine to be more intuitive to use and combo for her. so while she can still do decent damage without the mine debuff strategically placing the mine to catch targets makes her more deadly covering chokes etc.

    • @netmakeryt1950
      @netmakeryt1950 Год назад

      throw it into a choke and boom. your entire idea is gone.

    • @johnmetzakis2910
      @johnmetzakis2910 Год назад

      @@netmakeryt1950 how so? when i explain its kind of the point. being mindful also that she cant just chuck a mine like some sort of grenade. it will often have to be placed before an incoming push, for widow to use mid fight will in more cases mean she has to be out of position to do so, even if you have to remove her ability to fire it out, and have her place it like a claymore.

  • @benniboi7231
    @benniboi7231 Год назад +12

    I don't remember the origin of this idea, but taking away her 1 shot damage in favor of poison damage that scales from 10-50 damage based on charge, linearly. To make her still viable, you could make this scaling poison occur over the same like 1/2/3 second period so you aren't punished for higher charge. Takes away a 1 shot in a higher lobby with good healers depending on poison ttk but you can punish over extended enemies and just bad players

    • @hydenmoody4373
      @hydenmoody4373 Год назад +2

      That's similar to what her change was in the April fools update

    • @qak5860
      @qak5860 9 месяцев назад +2

      Have you heard of ana by chance?

  • @damp2269
    @damp2269 Год назад +31

    so i was thinking about the widow problem. it became a problem when we lost 1 tank and the "solution" is to go deal with her which is annoying because she is sitting 300 miles away from the fight. so a possible solution could be giving us more ways to take away her line of sight, maybe a smoke grenade? she gets countered but not nerfed, everyone is happy.
    I also like the april fools change they have for her. basically poison on crit to give the victim time to get healed and avoid elimination, sure it nerfs widow against squishies but depending on how much dmg the poison does it could buff her against tanks.

    • @coffeeluci
      @coffeeluci Год назад +1

      maybe a smoke grenade on who? This is a class-based game, so removing LOS is more of a character-specific feature

    • @fluffy338
      @fluffy338 Год назад +2

      Yeet her from the game or completely rework her. What gives widow players the right to have this extreme pressure over the game ingeneral? They butchered sombra for this reason so why not widow? You dont see people complain this much about hanzo, ashe or cree even tho they have a simular effective range. getting more consistently oneshotted by a Valorant player is always going to feel like shit.

    • @mentarium
      @mentarium Год назад +4

      @@fluffy338 i feel the same way about junkrat too though. what gives those rats the right to do so much damage without having to work for it. a lot of heroes in this game can be oppressive, it's just how it is. if we removed every annoying hero, we would be left with like 3 or 4 heroes

    • @spacewitch6474
      @spacewitch6474 Год назад

      Bruh. You poke her and she dies

    • @ArthurESC
      @ArthurESC Год назад

      @@fluffy338 years of aim practice. And Sombra seems stronger since her OW now, thanks to the buffed ult

  • @mc_3232
    @mc_3232 Год назад +12

    When the only real answer to widowmaker on havana circuit and jtown is to mirror widow that's when you know she's too good.

    • @Prefury
      @Prefury Год назад

      fellas is it gay when a character excels at certain maps

    • @theresnothinghereatall
      @theresnothinghereatall Год назад

      ​@@Prefury makes sense that a long ranged character will do better on open maps than a close range character. Just like a close range character does better in maps with lots of cover

    • @Andrew-xo6hl
      @Andrew-xo6hl Год назад

      Should we nerf junkrat on chokepoint heavy maps then, should we nerf tracer because of maps with lots of flank routes, should we nerf pharah then because shes too strong on maps with open air. Should we nerf symmetra because shes good on control point maps then. Should we, no mf thats so stupid ofcourse to counter a sniper on a long range map you need a sniper of your own thats common fucking sense.

  • @Articc69
    @Articc69 Год назад +5

    POV: necros after flats says he isn’t viable

  • @eduardoschaafbenfica158
    @eduardoschaafbenfica158 Год назад +42

    Do you think that increasing the amount of ammo her M2 consumes could be a good balance for Widow? Like make it consume 7 bullets, now you would only be able to shoot 6 shots before she'd need to reload

    • @theslenderfox
      @theslenderfox Год назад +20

      The issue with that is it's a nerf across all ranks. Widowmaker needs a nerf for the top players and a buff for the bottom players.

    • @mangelo1901
      @mangelo1901 Год назад +3

      or just do what is coming in the april fools patch

    • @bagofalmonds1930
      @bagofalmonds1930 Год назад +13

      no, her problem is she can one shot you across the map, making her reload more wont fix it
      shes also undivable 90% of the time cus shes either wayy back in her teams backline, or has her grapple cooldown up and can get out for free.

    • @masonfoster7954
      @masonfoster7954 Год назад +1

      i do not, maybe if widow yelled out that she was reloading so you could actually take advantage but in a normal game of OW you’re not gonna be counting widows shots, you just sit afk behind a wall because that’s genuinely the only counterplay agasint a good widow if you don’t have one yourself

    • @theresnothinghereatall
      @theresnothinghereatall Год назад

      ​@@theslenderfox why. Bottom players don't know what they're doing, why should you balance for them

  • @Syllaren
    @Syllaren Год назад +9

    I still like the last bit of her damage being dot. That was a cool idea.

  • @tipped7126
    @tipped7126 Год назад +10

    All they have to do is make it so you can only one shot with Widow at 100% charge rather than the current 60% that allows for such fast multikills from players like Kenzo

  • @BaileysOver
    @BaileysOver Год назад +2

    8:42 LOL my dumb little TikTok got featured in a Flats video... I love this series! I'm very surprised my Doom gameplay got let off the hook without being roasted hahah

  • @CreativeUsername1144
    @CreativeUsername1144 Год назад +2

    I was thinking for a widow change is to have an internal headshit cooldown for scoped shots so the widow has to wait maybe 0.5 seconds after a full charge after headshotting before she can hit another one. Correct me if the numbers are off but you understand the concept. Just make it harder for her to reliably wipe an entire team. This also makes tracer rounds more of a detriment since the enemy will have more time to shoot the widow.

  • @blockerman1015
    @blockerman1015 Год назад +5

    0:45 literally just do what THE CHEF said. make widows scoped in shot have a laser so you can reveal positioning, its a good nerf enough and will help teach better positioning more than anything

    • @itookaonabookanyway7385
      @itookaonabookanyway7385 Год назад

      laser so you can reveal positioning? what do you mean by this, doesn't she already have tracer rounds?

    • @Sassaparilla
      @Sassaparilla Год назад

      @@itookaonabookanyway7385 Doesn't reveal where her camera is positioned until you walk in and die. A laser pointer fixes that, and will force flicks to do undetectable shots, which are far less consistent.

    • @Otak-View
      @Otak-View Год назад

      ​@@itookaonabookanyway7385 she does but I think this is when she's holding an angle. It will give the opposing team a general idea of where she might be. Like torb turret

    • @itookaonabookanyway7385
      @itookaonabookanyway7385 Год назад

      @@Otak-View sounds good only one problem, pretty sure widow can just keep her laser sight somewhere else instead of just pointing it into a crowd of people, it will help if a widow tries to go for more than 1 pick yeah so I guess that would be nice

    • @SpiritedFalcon
      @SpiritedFalcon Год назад

      They did a similar thing for sniper in the OW1 retribution mission. If you go watch a gameplay, you'll see what I'm talking about.

  • @oN-bp7sk
    @oN-bp7sk Год назад +3

    I've been suggesting the april fools changes for Widow since launch because it just makes so much more sense

  • @snowblind630
    @snowblind630 Год назад +21

    I’m not too sure how well that MMR thing on QP works. I’m Masters in Support, but I’ve always played with a variety of people. I’ve had actual Bronze/Silver players and turn around the next game to get Diamond. I had a game recently when I ran into Eskay.

    • @Sinekel
      @Sinekel Год назад +6

      no one knows how any mmr works in this game so we're right there with you

    • @curtispritchard5938
      @curtispritchard5938 Год назад +1

      I'm plat on DPS, was duod with a (at a guess based on other friends ) bronze support, got matched against a masters player.

  • @eatshite
    @eatshite Год назад +23

    Her whole thing is “one shot one kill” they won’t take her one shot away. Just like they won’t take away mercy’s revive because her whole thing is heros never die

    • @damp2269
      @damp2269 Год назад +10

      sometimes is six shots one kill. xP

    • @SoulKingBK
      @SoulKingBK Год назад +4

      @@damp2269 its six shots no kill for me

    • @based5596
      @based5596 Год назад +11

      Just like Doomfists thing was "One punch is all I need"

    • @faulte2120
      @faulte2120 Год назад

      Mercy rev will be forever stupid.

    • @damp2269
      @damp2269 Год назад +1

      @@SoulKingBK blind widow crew rise up! i'm the same.

  • @depresion1716
    @depresion1716 Год назад +2

    I'm not an expert but the only thing I would do to balance out Widow would be to increase her weapon load, she can often eliminate players in a very short time if she has good aim, and would compensate for the nerf by giving a "buff" in one of her abilities like increasing the mine explosion radius or the hook speed (sorry for my English I'm still learning)

  • @iSuckAtGamesGG
    @iSuckAtGamesGG Год назад +3

    12:07 junkerqueen mains when they're tired of widowmaker

  • @reagansido5823
    @reagansido5823 Год назад +1

    Bold move to acknowledge your bias and then say "I don't care"

  • @CowKirbo
    @CowKirbo Год назад +2

    You can suzu the ground when sigma does his ult but it's very hard to time. I've done it in gun game no cooldown 1v1 with my buddy.

  • @ImDigginIt
    @ImDigginIt Год назад +1

    Double Shields helped with those one shots alot lol.

  • @JuiceBoxHero008
    @JuiceBoxHero008 Год назад +2

    Ok so am idea I just had for a widow rework, what if you remove the one shot but give her a personal “discord orb.”
    Hear me out, ideally the “discord orb” would only effect the damage of the widow, knock you out of your scope on use, but have a much longer range. The ability would replace the mine. The player that has the orb on them would know receive notification that they are marked and the widow would still be able to one shot a marked target with a fully charged shot.
    The fact that marking a target knocks her out of scope means that there is time for the enemy to run or juke the shot before her next shot is charged. This ultimately increases the time to kill and reduces frustration for all skill levels while maintaining the “one shot, one kill sniper fantasy” probably would be a bit weaker but that’s not necessarily a bad thing.

    • @The-ne9ut
      @The-ne9ut Год назад

      That idea reminds me of the bounty mechanic from paladins

  • @blitzbuildz2312
    @blitzbuildz2312 9 месяцев назад

    Flats not knowing about their being two different ways to spell prey in the genji one

  • @duckyduckington9736
    @duckyduckington9736 Год назад +1

    I think the thing to make her balanced is make her more of a way to secure off flank routes by giving her much more trap reliant kit by giving her only 1 bullet in the chamber (remove the smg mode) and make the reload longer ut make it also not require a charge up BUT there is a laser sight if you aim down. (the enemy can see it) maybe make her have a different ult like a snare trap thats a more deadly version of junkrats (making you see the enemies position if nearby the trap and if caught in it.)
    Keep the one shot, but make it slower and give her tracers hp (tracer is hard to kill because of her amazing survivability and horizontal movement, widow relies on a defensive playstyle and therefore while okay on offense because of the one shot, you'd mostly want her as a way to keep flankers in check.)

    • @duckyduckington9736
      @duckyduckington9736 Год назад +1

      Oh and make the snare trap be able to have 3 charges like tracers teleport, and charge up 3x faster than base widow ult. So that way she is more about managing resources than just point and click adventure game.)

  • @qrusaiderrosettv57
    @qrusaiderrosettv57 Год назад

    Ball techs are the new doomfist rollouts xD

  • @PurpleNoir
    @PurpleNoir Год назад

    That kiriko tips guy is cooking

  • @RematodeRanger
    @RematodeRanger Год назад +1

    Ik this is a stretch. But one way to re-work widow is to change her damage into a slow poison tick as part of her shots. Dealing 80+40 poison at max ramp, or 160+80 poison on headshot. The poison could tick at 30hp/s. So after a headshot, supports get a 1.5s reaction window to attempt to save their squishy.

    • @shankley-dr4if
      @shankley-dr4if Год назад +1

      Kinda reminds me of another sniper in the game...
      I see your idea though

    • @Otak-View
      @Otak-View Год назад

      This will give me another reason to hate suzu

  • @Johnny547611
    @Johnny547611 Год назад +2

    I dont think the problem is Widow, I think it's the map pool

  • @auto8958
    @auto8958 Год назад +5

    Hi! Flats your awesome keep being you :)

  • @roshango125ab
    @roshango125ab Год назад +1

    Damn Junkerqueen is broken. For the low, low cost of wasting your ult and leaving your team without a tank, you can reposition yourself once.

  • @Akira_fujimaru
    @Akira_fujimaru Год назад +2

    The best thing they can do is do damage drop off by 5 depending on how far you are with widow, probably a dumb idea but I dunno

  • @a-aronander-son5861
    @a-aronander-son5861 Год назад +6

    The thing I occasionally hear about Widow (and possibly the best reason she needs some change) is how she can do a tanks job better than they can, especially in a 5v5. Denying and taking areas is what a tank does, and Widow can clear and keep massive areas open for her team better than a Winston can while getting kills faster as well.
    Wanna keep the 1-shot? Reduce the range severely so that she needs to get much closer to get that headshot kill. That's like the only possible way I can see her keep her core but also not be broken in the right hands/Masters+.

    • @aoxomoxoa1
      @aoxomoxoa1 Год назад

      a sniper that has no range lol

    • @a-aronander-son5861
      @a-aronander-son5861 Год назад

      @@aoxomoxoa1 Kinda. Technically a sniper should have no damage fall-off, but Widow and Ash do for balance reasons. Time to move it even closer to the player to get rid of a DPS doing a tank's job.

  • @lesliejacoby9137
    @lesliejacoby9137 Год назад +2

    Widow should get a change where 175 damage is instantly delt and the rest comes through in the form of venom like her venom mine type damage. This would allow some counter play by supports to save you, be interesting for Widow hitting body shots to stack the effect on tanks, and overall be less annoying. She would probably need to have her health increased from the 175 it is now but the idea of widows being able to still one shot each other interests me. You could also adjust her ult and make up the venom damage is increased or ticks faster during it. From there change venom mine into a trip wire sensor that she has 2 of so she can be helpful to track flankers (but don't reveal the flanker position just alert that he tripwire has been activated).

    • @FabricatedPheonix
      @FabricatedPheonix Год назад

      We don't need a dps anna

    • @lesliejacoby9137
      @lesliejacoby9137 Год назад +1

      @Triston Cavedo tbh Ana can play like a dps and also venom and anti are two different effects. Anti can't be healed through but venom can.

  • @Spluge_McDucktv
    @Spluge_McDucktv Год назад

    "Quick play has MMR" as i load into a qp game as my bronze dps and am playing against Warn and Valentine.

  • @djpanda4992
    @djpanda4992 9 месяцев назад

    Genji pops dragon in back line my team panics me turns around no matter what role and roll him

  • @ChuenkChannel
    @ChuenkChannel Год назад

    hi flats, love your content 😁

  • @mr.froggy2899
    @mr.froggy2899 Год назад

    Imo the most annoying thing about window maker is expecting to have a fun 1 on 1 match but instead you can only play cover or boom back to the spawn room

  • @seanhubbard6033
    @seanhubbard6033 Год назад

    When flats was complaining about the cree high noon in front of df I think he was just using it to reload

  • @qak5860
    @qak5860 9 месяцев назад

    How to climb with Genji in three steps:
    One, find a wall
    Two, hold W
    Three, hold space

  • @MetaMaticGamer
    @MetaMaticGamer Год назад +1

    Widowmaker should chunk your healthbar and then have a poisoned effect to finish off the health and do light buffs to the rest of the kit, though I don't know how good this change would be, but at least healers can stop their team from dying instantly.

  • @scarecr0w630
    @scarecr0w630 Год назад

    The ball tech on kings roe just looks like a wall jump...

  • @faelheavymetal
    @faelheavymetal Год назад +2

    If quickplay had MMR I wouldn't be playing against Masters and GMs.

  • @RFdOliviera
    @RFdOliviera Год назад +2

    I think people would feel better about Widow if there was a support that could deny her oneshot. Not all the time, of course, but enough to make her job more difficult. Maybe a cooldown that gives each ally 15 overhealth and 30% damage reduction while the overhealth lasts, which is just enough to let a squishy survive a headshot with 5 HP but is easily removed with chip damage. It would also help against the likes of Junkrat, Hanzo and Pharah.

    • @CreativeUsername1144
      @CreativeUsername1144 Год назад +2

      If only there was a support that could prevent deaths or provide overhealth. Don't know, maybe both of could them start with a B and have been around since ow1. *cough cough* baptiste and brigitte *cough cough*

  • @R33FR
    @R33FR Год назад

    That’s not the ping pong that’s the pinball

  • @eduardoschaafbenfica158
    @eduardoschaafbenfica158 Год назад +2

    Can you make a seasonal match-up guide for tanks?

  • @resyrum5301
    @resyrum5301 Год назад +1

    Junkrat is the actual sniper in OW2

  • @fernandolugo888
    @fernandolugo888 Год назад +1

    Grap to like 15scd and HP to 125. Change her Venom to a Explorer witch she can throw and marks and enemy. First enemy marked take extra damage. Damage fall off on his shots

  • @fakecowboy1672
    @fakecowboy1672 Год назад

    I'm relieved by flats identifying apex shenanigans by the scroll, all ow players think I'm crazy, but I just play apex on m and k

  • @Febrezeaire
    @Febrezeaire Год назад

    Now I feel bad for the rest of my team after I suzu the Orisa tanking the Bob

  • @muzankibutsuji8919
    @muzankibutsuji8919 Год назад +1

    I understand that people on lower ranks wont understand this but I swear Reinhardt is the best doom counter. The amount of times I play in GM and get pinned by ridnhardt and just die. Especially since you get left with 200 hp or less you can’t even dive in if there is a widow or smth that needs to die.

  • @TheFortunesArc
    @TheFortunesArc Год назад +1

    Since everyone else has thrown out some ideas, let's say they keep the one shot for widow, but make it an ability. Like her smg keeps the same damage, but allow her to ads with the smg so she isn't totally useless without the ability, and then when she activates the ability she loads like 3-5 rounds of her sniper. The biggest issue with the one shot is just map design and the sightlines she can hold forever. Just make it so she only gets a few shots so you can then punish her after. The ability won't go on cool down until she shoots all of the sniper shots. Then she could unload them early to go back to smg mode and maybe the cool down gets reduced for how many shots you unload.

    • @The3dsstuff
      @The3dsstuff Год назад

      honestly not a bad idea! sort of

  • @kylepackard7499
    @kylepackard7499 Год назад

    Bro if I spectate a kill cam and see some weirdo ping pinging on rooftops before I get slammed imma lose it.

  • @urfork1
    @urfork1 Год назад

    i think we need like a patch test mode in the arcade where players can test in real games changes they are looking at without blizz committing to them, then they could go wild with reworks and such and see if something like a widow whos about gathering intel is viable. say widow's sniper now wallhacks an enemy for 5 seconds but only deals like 75 body damage with increased fire rate and her SMG does better damage and marks enemies through walls for 0.5 seconds per bullet hit on the enemy, for example. then make her mine be able to be stuck to an enemy who takes damage and exudes like a 3 meter field where enemies in that field take small damage (only while in the field) and all of them are wallhacked while in the field, just as an example, buff her HP to 200, make her ult like 3-5 seconds longer and she might be viable, might be useless, but we cant really know unless we test massive changes like this to some characters that realistically need full reworks. a lot of characters in OW2 were decently balanced in OW1, but things have shifted a lot in OW2 and I think so many things like discord orb, one shots in general, mercy damage boost, or weaker characters like sym just need to be completely reevaluated. they did it with doom and it worked pretty well, so id like to see that with some more heroes now.

  • @youwillneverknowmyname4180
    @youwillneverknowmyname4180 Год назад

    i suggest to lengthen the charge for widow to oneshot so that everyshot is more important to click heads

  • @connorburgess7015
    @connorburgess7015 Год назад

    Would maybe a headshot charge work like after a few headshots then you could have a one-shot headshot bullet a bit like soljurns ability but obviously not as broken

  • @-zod-4882
    @-zod-4882 Год назад

    Sniper glare, visible laser when aiming, there are options to nerf her but not destroy her

  • @butterz9066
    @butterz9066 Год назад +1

    Lmao if there's a kiriko on the other team thats the optimal way to use JQ ult

  • @adammk8473
    @adammk8473 Год назад

    i think they should give a torb turret laser once widows scope goes past 50% charge.

  • @Swolliey
    @Swolliey Год назад

    I’d offer give widow damage fall off only for the headshot multiplier very far maybe mess with it slightly so after a certain range it’s barely not a one shot so it forces her to be closer to the fight still the farthest but within range of more characters

  • @frayziedaisy
    @frayziedaisy Год назад +1

    in season 3 i started playing doom A LOT.. it was a lot of fun and i really like this character even tho it is hard to master him.. no tank ever was a real threat to me when i played with their backline.. either they had a Really good tank that kept me off doing so or they just switched Ana, Zen or Sombra when they wanted to defeat me.. that’s the real doom shutdown.. don’t know what this guy is talking about with orisa she is easy to ignore and doomfists movement can just disengage from her..? idk

  • @calebr8245
    @calebr8245 Год назад +7

    I honestly believe that widow would be just fine if you just decreased the charge rate of her gun. That way she actually has to keep the scope-in movement de-buff for longer before she can get a lethal shot. This would mean she wouldn't be shooting as quickly and there would be some more counter play.

  • @PX6DEVASTATER
    @PX6DEVASTATER Год назад

    I'm not sure if you can ever truly make a sniper not be at least a bit of a problem. By nature a sniper just existing makes them a threat that you have to play around, even if the person playing them isn't very great. At least dive characters you can play around by just watching your positioning, but a sniper relies on the map layout actually giving you cover or just having a better sniper than they do on your team.

  • @TheOneWhoReportsForDuty
    @TheOneWhoReportsForDuty Год назад +6

    It's always fun when you see "What's your OW2 Hot Take?" with that blonde guy. Also no, we will not stop talking about Widows One Shot. I'm not saying to take away the one shot, just make it so that the other team can react to it better and not basically be required to Counter Widow.

    • @goose3069
      @goose3069 Год назад +2

      Make it so each 1% of charge is two damage so she needs to fully charge to kill a 200hp target

    • @TheOneWhoReportsForDuty
      @TheOneWhoReportsForDuty Год назад

      @@goose3069 Again, you still have the problem of "I'm 100 to 0 from 9 miles away because I didn't know their was a Widow there."

  • @Leprechaun2702
    @Leprechaun2702 8 месяцев назад

    6:55 does he know that sooooo many Lucio's have scroll wheel bound to jump lol, there's like 3 techs it can be used for and one that is used alllllll the time.

  • @netmakeryt1950
    @netmakeryt1950 Год назад

    ball players are literally just in their own world and it works

  • @timinator20o0
    @timinator20o0 Год назад

    8:20 "Ball Players are somethin else."
    Flats in another video "i could teach a squirrel to play ball."
    Make up ur mind flats

  • @anthonyglover4767
    @anthonyglover4767 Год назад

    On WidowMaker, Why don’t they make it take longer for the one shot charge to be full? Like increase the time by ~10 seconds.
    This would reduce the potential she can one shot if they are a bad sniper, but also won’t remove her key feature

  • @Shrimp4Gura
    @Shrimp4Gura Год назад

    I remember 8 second grapple cooldown, it was so hard to kill widow cuz she just spooder mans away

  • @Mai74695
    @Mai74695 Год назад

    Couldnt it be like a reload high noon

  • @predator5723
    @predator5723 Год назад

    About the doom tips.. a lot of tiktokers go on alt accounts vs low rank players so they can show their techs and mechanics without being punished by a high mmr team. They have no friends.

  • @engineergaming2369
    @engineergaming2369 Год назад

    Ngl, I think a widow balance change could be like this: widow could have like 3/4th or half if her OG damage, and a faster charge rate, and a slightly lower grapple cd. You could also change the mine to a motion sensor like Hanso or just not change it at all

  • @TheBibigabi
    @TheBibigabi Год назад

    @11:42 Noooo please don’t say that 😭

  • @Albert-yu1cg
    @Albert-yu1cg Год назад

    for widow, make it so it takes 1 full second before it starts charging for fewer opportunities to 1-shot

  • @LaiLai-2111
    @LaiLai-2111 Год назад

    Tbh if they gave widow that visible laser sight from the Olympus game mode it would get rid of those scenarios where she’s 100 miles away and you have 0 way of knowing you’re going to die by leaving spawn, could make it be thicker based on her charge so there’s some actual counterplay to her brainless afk playstyle

  • @XotiicButter
    @XotiicButter Год назад +1

    Why dont they give widow damage falloff. That way she oneshots most ranges but cant do it from 3 maps away? (Not sure howd this affect her its just a thought)

  • @muhfknkwin1399
    @muhfknkwin1399 Год назад

    Did someone say Widowmaker hair strangling? 👀👀

  • @ameri5903
    @ameri5903 Год назад

    Genji is an Otaku some of his voice lines being tatakae is great and the Kiriko change feels extremely op being able to TP from spawn to the point is broken and Nap being able to jump infinitely

    • @faulte2120
      @faulte2120 Год назад

      Ye to stall swapping to kiri last second is something I always do. I don’t play her besides that.

  • @rationxlity
    @rationxlity Год назад

    Widow's grapple doesn't need a cooldown reduction, it needs just to be more consistent onto what it grabs and not randomly grab something 30 degrees away from where I aimed it.

    • @ArthurESC
      @ArthurESC Год назад

      you can change it's aim in setting

  • @mrdogmatrix
    @mrdogmatrix Год назад

    A full rework is probably the only way to solve the problem

  • @currantew7519
    @currantew7519 Год назад +3

    I don't get why widow defenders think we want to remove the one shot and thats all. Nah we want a rework so she DOES have other abilities that make her more useful.

    • @mitchellsalazar6276
      @mitchellsalazar6276 Год назад +2

      Tbf some want her to not be able to one shot. But that’s also cause they don’t realize she just needs more counterplay

    • @quiteslayer4067
      @quiteslayer4067 Год назад

      @@mitchellsalazar6276 to be fair tho, like flats said map geometry can make that much more difficult. Tho her recent hatred this season could just be because of the map pool favoring that situation, making her more oppressive then she would be otherwise. A case of the environment being the problem rather then the hero itself.

    • @currantew7519
      @currantew7519 Год назад +1

      @@mitchellsalazar6276 I don't think she should be able to one shot. I saw an idea where if you get a charged headshot, then it does like 95% of your health and then you have damage over time similar to her venom mine so it will still "one-shot" but you can be saved from it.

  • @Kota0507
    @Kota0507 Месяц назад

    What if you gave widow a quick 3 round burst and if all of them hit it’s an instant kill, and they way it charges up is 1 round, the. 2 and then 3 round burst

  • @jonableek9452
    @jonableek9452 Год назад

    I love flats

  • @thundergod7344
    @thundergod7344 Год назад

    11:42 this hurt to hear but it woke me up ima hop on Cassidy

  • @femtrapta5874
    @femtrapta5874 Год назад

    "What do snipers do? They one shot"
    Paladins Snipers: "Y-yeah, we definitely do"
    (i get that the hp pools of the two games are vastly different but still)

  • @kesegoe9488
    @kesegoe9488 Год назад

    What if the head shot caused a wiplash a reduced movement which not only allows for a sec9nd hit in actually killing but I know cc isnt always a good idea maybe yall can add

  • @darksplash873
    @darksplash873 Год назад

    It's weird cause people seem to forget that even if they nerf one part of a kit, they can buff or rework other ones. Yeah, with widow it's tough, but they are talking as it her abilities have to stay bad for ever, while they can be changes easily. It's not always nerf, sometimes a rebalance or slight rework is enough.

  • @RoboVirtue
    @RoboVirtue Год назад +1

    I feel like once the map pool has more variety people won't care about widow anymore. Also I think the sniper DPS not being able to oneshot would be a terrible idea. If you diff her or dive her she stops being an issue anyways.

  • @24555brent
    @24555brent Год назад

    Make widow swing like spiderman with 2-3 charges. Give her a lesser version of Solider's gun, and her ultimate enables the sniper. Makes her an up close hero until you have your ultimate then you can go halfway across the map then return when it's over.

  • @jplayzow
    @jplayzow Год назад

    "The one thing that makes her widow" aka what makes her hated

  • @crossc1988
    @crossc1988 Год назад

    know how you fix widow in ow? Simple, you add a sway to her scope in. Then you add a stabilizer on cooldown (like other snipers in other games, shift to "hold breath"). The sway would range from heavy to light depending on how still you have been, which would 100 percent change how widow is played. You wanna go for those sweet 360 Hookshots? You are gonna need alotta luck. But, her 1 shot would remain in the game.

  • @justjaycob7079
    @justjaycob7079 Год назад

    Some widow needs and buffs could be nerf her headshot to 150. And put her ult effect on the headshot Ed target or a damage buff on them and just give her a actual ult

  • @mattiOTX
    @mattiOTX Год назад

    Well snipers can reach out and hit people beyond their range. Paladins has a sniper that has a sidearm that has a flair that either causes dot damage or it can be used to give you walls in a small radius. The sniper could not one shot but a headshot would make you 1 health. That worked great. Played him to their top 100 or whatever the ranking was before they broke their game. Snipers don't need a 1 shot to be fun.

  • @sungdwarf
    @sungdwarf Год назад

    As hanzo I headshot someone with ping arrow and was not trying to

  • @tomatosoup6281
    @tomatosoup6281 Год назад

    Yooo what if they add a visible laser to widows scope so everyone can see that widow is about to shoot. (Basically like the Splatoon chargers)

  • @Koriiii
    @Koriiii Год назад

    I think Widow could be balanced by giving her an ability and during the cooldown she can one shot, but after maybe her HS only do 190 dmg or something like that. So that players actually have a chance to peak without dying instantly. It gives widow a cooldown on her effectiveness, it doesnt have to be a long CD but enough to still make her viable, similar to Ram form or Bastion form. And some small buffs to make up like 200hp and faster grapple CD.

    • @paytonyoder1260
      @paytonyoder1260 Год назад +1

      The problem with that is damage boosting abilities like discord or mercy’s blue beam.

  • @kato3y
    @kato3y Год назад +1

    EZ widow fix: players want to keep her one-shot? she gets one-shot'd in return. Put her health down to 125 or even lower, 100.