Sawyer’s Worst Nightmare: What Causes Shake in Trees??
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I never knew what caused these let alone what they were called. 65 years old and still learning every day. Thanks Emerald and Jade.
..."I'm getting caught all over." LOL you crack me up. I started laughing on that one. You can be funny and not even know it.
If it is a sickness in the trees, you may be able to notice an age at which it got sick and check other trees at the same age rings . There may have been a tree bacteria going around at that time.
WOW Professor Emerald your getting real good with your tutorials. Boss Man may need to give you and the camera person a raise! Thanks for sharing!
When I started watching I thought just another pretty face o u tube , but you got it going on ! The knowledge keeps shinning through .
As a lifelong carpenter, we always called that condition checking or check cracking. Although I must admit, I never knew what caused it.
Best regards from Indiana.
That is not a "check. Check happens in the drying process and is a stress fracture. Different thing entirely but the same end result,
Great job Emerald ! The colors are starting ..wooo hooo.
From an old man logger with a mill in Northern Canada....Love passion that these young ladies have for an otherwise male atmosphere
Em. very extensive explanation of "Shake " in a log i learned something today.. I talked to your mom today , she is the best!!
You are correct. There is both laminated root rot and wind and weather ring shake
Great tutorial Em!! Great camera work Jade!! I watched closely as you cut closer to that ring crack. Very interesting! Thank you. Let me SHAKE your hands for a job well done! 👍👍👍
Em has a lot of potential as an instructor or on-camera host.
Love the walk in the woods and the video. Thank you Emerald and Jade ❤👍🏼😎🌹😊
As a sawyer who saws on a hand set circle mill, my worst nightmare is sawing into a horse shoe or railroad spike but, you're also correct, cutting logs with shake is frustrating.
This channel needs 10X more subscribers now....
Congratulations Emerald and Jade. Another grand cinematic production.🏆👍 Getting better every time.
A good sawyer thinks about all these things, makes an assessment, and cuts accordingly to get the maximum footage from a log. There is no substitute for an experienced sawyer. The best sawyers are lumber graders. Knot size and placement...it all factors into it. Good video, Em.
Very good presentation, Emerald. I feel bad for poor Jade having to walk backwards through the woods. I can scarcely walk forward without tripping on a stick these days! The fall colors look great. It's almost time for me to hit the woods with my bow.
THis is an interesting topic. I was taught many years ago at Oregon State University that shake was caused by wind. There was no mention of a bacterium being involved. I learned something new today! Thank you
Very pretty back ground. Nice color in the trees.
Hi I have fallen trees for 45yrs
I always called them torque cracks see it in fir trees a lot they have very large canopy’s on them and not tight to other trees. It allows the tree to twist
The splits do come to the outside of the tree and you will see sap running down the tree
You are doing a great job keep up the good work be safe
Never realized how exciting it is cutting wood.
Great video. You do a great job explaining and sawing lumber. Keep up the great work. Hello from South Eastern part of Kansas.
Emerald, thank you for increasing my level of understanding. This explains so much! Often I have wondered about this cause and now I know!
I find shake in some oak logs since that is what we have here in my area. More often in water oak. Sycamore too as they like to grow in the same places. They grow in wet areas along rivers and creeks. Most always if cutting a stand of trees and one has shake there will be more of them that have it. I too have been told it is a bacterial thing. Good video.
After hurricane Bob in 1991, found a lot of shake in red oak boards i bought that winter thought it was from wind bending the tree.
I have always heard that shake was "wind" shake and that disease issues would normally leave telltale spalting tracks. A 'check" to my way of thinking is normally a result of shrinking (drying). Just what I've always thought.
That's pretty cool that you don't have to shim out the log as your milling on the woodmeizer. I only have an Alaskan mill, and if I don't shim it out as I pass the saw, my cuts are off
Great vid Emerald. Very informative as always. As a Sawyer you are very knowledgeable. This shows in all the vids you do. Great job on the video camera Jade. Another great vid by the dynamic duo Emerald and Jade.
Love the fact that you said bacterium and not bacteria... 👍😎
Very informative, learning a lot about wood. But FYI one reason I started watching your channel was one of your thumbnails showed you wearing you knife. I thought, a fiery red head with a fixed blade, I have to watch this. And I did miss it
Good video. Shake can be very dangerous for wood turners. Having a bowl delaminate due to shake while turning at 1000 rpm (or higher) is a butt-puckering moment. :)
In the end, it does not seem to be important what causes shake unless it can be prevented. Recognizing it in a log is the important part.
That just goes to show that "The first step in solving a problem is recognizing there is one" and then the next part is what to do about it, in the best way.
Emerald, you are very skilled and knowledgeable about the lumber business.
Keep the good work going and thanks for posting, hey!
When I was younger, I worked in the lumber industry as a contractor sales dude. I love your videos and have learned much more than I already knew. Thank you for posting such interesting videos. You and your sister are the best!
I first clicked on yall because I saw your red hair. It is beautiful. Your accent and way of speaking to us/the camera is peaceful in addition to informative. I'm a grand parent living outside Austin Texas, retired, I am now hooked on yall's videos. Thanks
What a great idea. A informational walk in the woods. What a class room ; fantastic. Thanks to you and your camera person . Beautifully done.👍
What I have observed is that external forces like rolling the logs strengthens the Emerald! Not sure what could possibly weaken the Emerald?
She tossed that log around like it was as light as a pretzel rod.
Generally it is caused by wind damage, so you tend to get it in an entire area. Hemlock trees are just more susceptible to damage from wind.
So then explain one grove of cottonwood being mostly "shook while 200 yards away will be another grove with perfect logs. I am talking natural growing trees on flood plains. I explained my thinking in another post
Very interesting video. I never realized that cracks like that actually had a name. Also it’s good to see that you would take the time to research and then present your findings in an understandable way. Good job!
Thank you all for sharing your beautiful video's. 👍
Hi girls love your videos keep up the good work wish you could make them videos longer Gary from Ohio
It's just incredibly fun to listen to Emerald - even if I don't understand all the technical terms, she explains it so brilliantly that I understand the whole thing. I really like this RUclips channel. By the way, Emerald looks gorgeous again today...
Bias
Clear and Awesome explanation! Thank You Emerald and Jade.
Who is Amber lol
Emerald, not Amber. I agree, it was a good explanation. Nice fall foliage in the woods, too. 🍁🍂
@@ronsamborski6230 I stand corrected; edited the reply. Thanks Brother.
@@robertcourson8002 lol Got it Corrected; Thank You.
@@jtkdmd6266 I kinda figured it was a mistake.
Em. This is another great video. I thought shake was caused by wind only. Great job.
Another excellent informative and enjoyable video.. With Emerald in front of the camera with her easy style of talking and communicating, and Jade behind the camera doing an outstanding job, these videos are just getting better and better. No wonder that every time I look at the subscribers following you, it just keeps climbing; well done! Also lovely to see the season changing the colours on the hills behind you. The loveliest season IMO
I'm a timber (selling abroad pine products, tropical hardwoods). Your videos refresh me on technicalities on logs and timber in general. Great job! Wish you all the success you reach!
These boards are not trash. My local sawyer ( in central VT) saves a " cull pile " of Shakey hemlock. He sells these boards at a heavily reduced rate. I have seen, (and often copied) examples of this lumber being used as roof support on our buildings and the like. Some of the structures I have seen are over a hundred years old, and still solid, even with the snow loads up north here. So please don't throw out this valuable resource.
I'm sure, at the very least it, goes in the firewood bundles. Ain't nuthin' wasted by these folks.
I grew up on a farm that has 2 farm places and every building except the houses are built out of cottonwood dating back to the 1920s. The cottonwood source and the mill are on that farm. You are right, nothing is wasted. Those shakey boards work just fine for roof sheathing or cut down into 1X4 boards to use as battens if the buildings have board and batten cottonwood siding. Wood furnaces in the homes take care of the rest of the scrap.
had timber that was affect from a micro burst. on the outside you would have thought it was going to open up the most beautiful hemlock one could imagine, after sawing most of the lot was ripped apart. wind damage along with minerals and contaminated nutrients are the most general cause. hemlock seems the most vulnerable, but it shows up in EWP a lot as well
Emerald, every time you explain something I am totally awed at your knowledge and I learn something every time
💚 Very informative. Thank You. You just jumped to the front of the line for my nomination for employee of the week. Sadly I have to wait for Sami's week review on Sunday. Not to put any pressure on her, however you have Em. Kudos
Can't help but find your videos interesting. :)
Wow I never knew that and I was cutting firewood all my life… i’ve heard of it… Great video Em….
Good evening Emerald interesting i never imagined an extra learning as it is about living being as we suffer from some ailments
I love how passionate you are and how much of a hard worker you are to . Very Inspirational
That was a very nice and informative video, ladies. Em, you did a great job on that and so did your lovely Camera Gnome Jade! Thank you both! Cheers!
We get shake in some trees here on Vancouver Island in some of the yew logs I cut , I have seen it go up as far as 10 feet on some of the older yew and a piece 24 inch across there has been so many rings compromised you can not even split it with an axe because the blade just gets absorbed into the wood and pops out.. What can be interesting is we have had cases where some roots near the bottom start to come back up into it and rotten sections
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Birch is a very prolific species around my area. Above some size (maybe 20” diameter) the pretty much ALL have shake going sometimes 30+’ up the trunk. Over 24” or so diameter I have yet to see one without some amount of heart rot. The amount of heart rot varies a lot but usually goes at least several feet up from the felling cut. Sometimes 15+’ up. The wood is amazingly beautiful, but the heart rot and shake really limits its lumber value.
I love birch aswell particularly the species in Finland and Russia
The bad thing about shake is you don't really see it until you saw it, a lot of wasted effort. I hadn't heard the bacterium reason before. We were always told stress caused it. I cut a hemlock in my backyard and it was so shaky it fell apart on my friends band mill. This grew on a step side hill. It does seem like trees in an area have shake or not, so the bacteria sounds like a factor.
thanks Emerald that was great information! just wondering why they call it Shake?
I would guessed that "Shake" would have been caused by extreme wet or dry conditions of that year of growth. Awesome information, thanks!
I worked in a log home planer mill for years and never knew what caused shake. (4x6 tongue & groove Hemlock cabin logs aaaargh) We always planed our Hemlock logs and built our cabins when they were green because of the shake. Thanks for teaching this old dog something I didn't know.
I still like hemlock for doors which get exposure to weather. WEST System epoxy can reverse moderate shaking in a piece under construction.
Another great video! Well presented, shot and edited. Thanks for uploading, I learnt something more today too.
As Logger and Sawyer I have seen it and sawed logs on a circle mill , and shake logs can be very dangerous if they start falling apart when sawing thru the log and pieces get loose on the saw blade things could get flying at you.
Always expect the worst.
I have sawed logs that showed some shake and sawed out just fine with little to no shake.
And l have sawed logs that looked ok ( no sign of shake ) and fell apart when in the saw , that was a surprise, just never know what might happen .
Small band mill is safer when sawing shake logs , less chance of things flying at you .
I have had logs that grown at the edge of the woods that when sawed thru the center that bent a lot .
Sun on the one side of the tree made it grow weird .
I sawed a 16 foot red oak down to 8 5/16" x 8 5/16"
cant to be sawed in to four 4" x 4" x 16 foot .
I run it through the saw and it bent about 4" or more in 16 feet , put the two bent 4 x 8,s the carriage to saw in to four 4 x 4,s and sawed it again and it bent even more , now 8" or more bend in 16 feet , looked like four big bananas , totally bad , I cut it all into short pieces for blocking.
Had to get another log to saw out that order.
Stay safe and keep the sawdust flying .
I wish you to know that I think your communication skills and your enthusiasm make your videos informative and entertaining. You are doing a super job. Thanks for being so entertaining.
Ian
Petrolia Ontario Canada
I swear Emerald is going to make me pay a visit to the log yard to purchase lumber that i do not need just so that i can see that beautiful angelic face up close!!! She is such an intelligent young woman. Wise way beyond her years. The way she explains everything is just perfection. This is definitely one of the best videos she has made so far
I agree. She would be great as a tv news reporter or anything in media. She and her sisters are very photogenic.
@@stevecarlson6462 Not sure anything related to TV would interest her to much. To me it looks like she wants to run her families business one day.
@@stevecarlson6462 WOW, why would you suggest that? Emerald is an intelligent woman and all you can see is her appearance and then suggest she lowers herself to such a degrading career that does nothing more than spread lies.
@@petebusch9069 The last part is not true she could be a reporter but she is not, Emerald is just a very intelligent person when it comes to log industry, which by the way she learned from the BOSS's Aka Parents who taught her well. Reporters do not spread lies. They are biased in many ways taking no sides just present the facts as they see it. It is called POV.
@@terrancevangemert7508 WOW, reporters do not spread lies!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARE YOUR KIDDING ME? This IS what they do and I see the propaganda machine is working well with you. You even say it in your post, "they are biased in many ways taking no sides, just present the facts as they see it" The "as they see it" part is where they slide the BS in. Also, how can you be biased but not take a side at the same time? This is how a professional liar works and you fell for it. Let me tell you something simple, truth does not have room for personal views, it is what it is and stands completely on its own and I suggest you start searching for it.
You don’t know till you try is so true in all walks of life. Smart gal.
Excellent explanation, I always like learning something new, I did expect a bit of Blair Witch with your woods walk
It's always nice to do a Neature walk.
You can tell the Hemlock has shake by the way it is.
- Lenny Pepperbottom
Thank you soooo much for the lesson! You guys actually help all of us wood workers out be explaining this things we see but never understood! Thanks again and keep up the great work!
Emerald, another outstanding video. I always learn something new with every video you make. Thank you for your teachings.
Another great job
I recently sawed a 30” hickory that had shake in about 8” from diameter of the tree. What was weird is inside the shake area was tiny knots everywhere. Looks like where limbs was once trying to form. Glad I found a video on this knowing I’m not the only one that has seen this. Thanks for your video keep it up!
Excellent well presented video, you nailed it Emerald!!
Great video both of you,
Emerald Brilliant Brilliant Brilliant fantastic you talking through the video more more more please.
Hello from England 🏴
Well that was very very Educational and how to spot it for those who process logs for living. How to spot what is wrong like Shake in a tree. Also some possible ways to still get lumber out of the long itself however there will be some fails and scrap parts.
Very Good Emerald. Thanks for the lesson.
Excellent video. Thank you. I always thought ring shake was due to wind and that Hemlock was very susceptible but didn't know why.
Seriously impressive the way she can spot that stuff just glancing at it. I expect experience helps quite a bit but all the same, she's good!
Thanks! Love your show and learn something too!
Great topic. We see that a lot here in E TN with the tall pines.
Very informative! Great job Em!! There are a number of good articles that address shake, (both ring and star shake) what species are most affected and which bacteria causes it
Here in australia we allso call a defect where the log has been stressed and the fibers compressed across the grain , shake. Caused mainly in the felling of the tree when it hits a ridge , hollow or stump etc. Thanks for the new term . Ring shake. 42 years in carpentry and still learning. 🤔😀😎👌
You can always use them for stickers
Emerald is so Knowledgeable 👍. And yet so Beautiful ❤ Hi from Deep South Texas
I did enjoy this video! Very educative, thanks!
Thanks This was very helpful. You are Awesome!
very nicely done...I appreciate the explanation of the bacteria..always thought this was stress induced
Very interesting. Great information, good job.
Very interesting, as always, thank you.
Thanks for the lesson. Im getting ready to take several nice cherry logs to mill, and I will check my end grain before deciding my cuts.
Good morning Emerald and Jade. Another excellent video. TYFS and have a wonderful week.
Thank you for remember how important is hard work. Warm hugs :)
Thanks. Good luck! 👍
Drought conditions can also have an impact
Very good! Had no knowledge. Now, I do!
This channel is very wholesome. Thanks for sharing! 😎
This info is so interesting. Nice job, I like when class is in session time.
Em and Jade, great video that I learned much from. It was also good to hear the mill sounds, I know its loud but I heard hydraulic noise
Emerald, you quite simply just nothing short of AMAZING.