The Vulcan fleet
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2024
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We dont know much about Vulcan ships, but we know just enough for a video on the subject. So thats what this is, plus some headcanon on my end to help square the circle.
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Nearly all the ship designs from Enterprise were bangers. They really did a phenomenal job that went under appreciated in its time.
I love the Vulcan designs. They remind me of paper spaceships I made as a kid in the 1970's. Particularly the delta shape and circular warp drive.
Oh for sure, they really embody the 60s/70s sci-fi aesthetic and look like something anyone could make but in a good way
Looking at the design of the INX Enterprise, I think that the circular warp drive design used on Vulcan ships was influenced by that warp drive ship proposal
"Ewww! Discovery." The most succinct and insightful description of that series I'vew ever heard.
Wish I had more likes for this
Idk dude, I thought the first contact sequence in season 4 was pretty good
In the TOS episode "The Immunity Syndrome" (S2E18), Spock senses the destruction the a Starfleet ship crewed entirely by Vulcans. The ship was the Intrepid, a Constitution class NCC-1631. It would be very illogical for Vulcans to continue building a lot of their own ships if Starfleet was willing to provide them. Some yes, but not very many.
Imo a failure of enterprise was in the design of Human ships prior to formation of the UFP. Imo the ship design and philosophy we know now should've been a combination of different elements found in the founding members ship design philosophies. This would show a real beginning for the UFP and the mutlicultura/racial aspect of it being unified. Something like a prototype enterprise actually using more torpedoes and having disruptors as energy weapons, with the only recognizable bit being the dual warp nacelles we see in the phoenix which was the first human warp drive which would make sense why it gets carried over. Over time we see a more rounded out saucer from the designs of the vulcans, weapon systems from andorians, and overall tech boost from tellerites. All combining to form the first "real" enterprise around mid series before the UFP is officially formed.
Enterprise was awesome, i loved it
See ..this is the perfect response to those who currently try to trash any current iteration of a franchise. The assholes get forgotten and the fans remember fondly.
It's a shame we didn't get to see them a little more. They are beautiful but what I find cool is how they have he ring design from the Earth Ship XCV-330 Enterprise. This ship was seen all the way back in The Motion Picture among the images. Whether it was purely coincidence or deliberate, it's cool to think that on of the first large ships they tried to build was copying the Vulcan design Philosophy.
I believe the coleopteric ring ships were attempts at warp before we met the Vulcans. The Phoenix was not the first warp ship. It was just the first attempt at a practical design that didn’t require longer time periods to get up to warp and that was something that could be developed into something usable for realistic space travel; and it just happened to be the ship that attracted the attention of the Vulcans. So it became “the first” warp ship. I might be wrong though.
@@keirfarnum6811 The Phoenix was the first warp ship made by humanity. Cochrane was the inventor of warp drive technology. Unless there is some Trek show I'm unaware of that retcons this.
One can argue that the decline of the Vulcan fleet encouraged Romulan and Klingon aggression.
Enterprise had the misfortune of airing at the tail end of the golden era, so it was compared to those shows and any scfi show will struggle to measure up in that circumstance.
Enjoyed the video the Vauklas and Andorion Battleship are two ships I have in game Star Trek Fleet Command.
Once the Federation formered I dont think the Vulcans kept up a combat fleet. They were already going through a rethink of their ethics with the reveal of the kia'shara. Science ships should still have been numerous. They do look pretty cool. It would be good to see some of their modern ships in the newer shows. I would also like to see Vulcan first contact with Klingons and the enactment of the Vulcan hello.
Circular warp field generators would work better than ones on pylons.
Unless you like steering, sure.
@@Belzediel That's what thrusters are for.
@@EarlJohn61 XD Good one
In real life yes, but since when is star trek realistic?
@@Staticsceptre OK?
I keep looking for a point, can't find one, all I got is semi-dried dribble.. Did you think that was some kind of relevant thing? Do you have anything of any interest? Is it just mashing you fat fingers against buttons?
I know it would make sense for starfleet to have a unified ship design but it seemed surprising that earths style took over the whole federation. Seems more likely each competent species would keep and expand on their own designs. Earth would have to be massively dominant for their designs to take over. Would be cool to see Vulcan federation ships etc. Cost for a TV show I realise.
Doing the same type of video for this eras kllingon, romulan and andorian fleet would be interesting. Or maybe the individual ship capabilities
One can think of the warp coils of the TOS enterprise as being a pair of long, small-diameter rings.
I have often wondered if the vulcan warp ring was a hold out of a pre M/AM fusion design. One where the fuel particles travel around a particle accelerator, a set in clockwise and another counter-clockwise. The two beams can be made to intersect and fuse next to warp coil segments, so that those segments are activated, making the warp field.
Such a design would be maintenance intensive and be very complex to build. But it would not require antimatter or dilithium. And once antimatter became an option, the design could easily be modified to work with antimatter as well.
Great video...keep up the good work
Many people forget Vulcans are telepaths. While touch is primary, all Vulcans share a low-level group mind. When Vulcan militaries choose to practice 'psychological warfare', enemy ships physically come apart and enemy crews go insane. A Vulcan warship may look nothing like an armed combatant.
Examples of this happening?
no they dont lol
Love disco and snw
You are getting better at video creation and I have been a subscriber since you started this channel but I suggest you try making more original 3D models of the ships. You are definitely improving though !
warp speed Vulcans but couldnt get better ships while earth goes from stone age to better ships please.
Apologies that I missed this one, oh boy you must have done detailed research on the Vulcan ships as it's very well done indeed. 🖖
PS: Love to see your Minecraft Oberth starship once it's complete.
Thanks, it was a lot of looking through memory alphabet and memory beta but was fun. I’m planning on doing a detailed tour once it’s done on RUclips but for now patreon is where I show progress videos
Interesting, thank your for sharing.
Humans are all in on the federation, and a human ship is a starfleet ship, so why would Vulcans even have their own private fleet separate from starfleet?
Enterprise was ahead of it's time. I didn't like it when it started but now its tits. Not perfect but so much cool story and old tech.
Enterprise was always a good show. Like a lot of things, people compared to the familiar instead of judging it on its own merits. Others listened to loudmouth voices and formed opinions based on how somebody else felt. Humanity will be so much better once we break from such stupid habits.
I like Oli's flat top, very Ice Ice Baby 🙂
So you do realize that this is a tv show with a limited CGI budget?
I dont see it being practical in kirks era or beyond for vulcans to have their own ship classes. In ds9 take me out to the holosuite, vulcans crewed a nebula class starship. When they complained about the service on a human run station, sisko told them there was a vulcan controlled station 50 light years away. Ao we can assume diffferent species operate their own ships and stations within the larger starfleet. When starfleet designs new ships, they would probably bring in the best engineers and designers from the federation, regardless of race. So all the best vulcan ideas, or betazoid, benzite, trill or whatever would be incorporated. We also know that benzite ships operate under a different command structure so that further suggests that the different races operate within starfleet.
rule no1: never start a video with the word: Despite.
Okay, I've heard Annular warp field but you said 'kiloturkic?' WTHeck? Never heard of that before. Could you spell it? Great topic because I love the Vulcan fleet. They should have never joined the federation. They would have been much more content in the Dominion. Vorta are logical.
“Coleopteric”
Glad you found the spelling, my script was wrong but near phonetic and I couldn’t find its correct spelling elsewhere
Vulcans are overrated. They're more like Vulcan'ts.
Funny like mexican,t
FWIW, we saw one of these circular warp drive ships in Lower Decks. Not that that is canon, but there pretty much is no canon these days.
Hmm. I am firmly of the opinion that the only way to square the circle of Vulcan history is to assume virtually everything that happened did so whilst there were no Vulcans - they were Romulans. The Vulcans, to me, are a small bunch of religious nutters effectively exiled from Romulan space for being very weird. Romulans have a vast Empire, sufficiently huge that their borders touch Borg space, and of gigantic enough scope that they've been able to run at least at parity with the kinky gits for a long time. Decades at least by TNG. The Vulcans, on the other hand, have a bunch of buildings on a hot rock. There's a perfectly functional Trek history that fits the Vulcans being exiled space hippies, that only requires a few things being misrepresented a tad by the Vulcans to fit. I know the idea is that Vulcans do not lie, * but, as is all too often the case, that is illogical, and hence, no, Vulcans DO lie, they're more than capable and if the circumstances fit it, they'll lie with great gusto and (suppressed) glee.
One of the key things in this is the idea that the reason the Vulcanoids are so keen on finding and allying with other worlds is because they know sooner or later the Romulans will decide that exile isn't good enough for the loonies and they can easily come twat the entirety of the whacky brigade from existence. Creating the Federation is kinda like building a defensive cyst.
Hence, I have zero issue with the Vulcanoids having few ships of their own, they're a minor planet pretending to be a dig beal.
Enterprise is probably growing on you by simply no longer being the worst thing ever to bear the Trek name. The profligation of Nutrek, every nanosecond of which is ghastly, is simply pushing Enterprise up the ratings. It's still objectively awful,, it's just now we've got a better idea of how bad things can be, and awful's only halfway down the pit. YMMV.
* Worth remembering that, since Vulcans do possess emotions, every single time a Vulcan claims to not suffer from an emotion is itself a direct and pointless lie. Not to mention, if someone could explain to me why a Vulcan would design a starship that has windows, without citing an emotional reason, I'd be interested.
So, Romulans to MAGA Republicans alpha male patriotic warriors while Vulcan are woke, snowflake beta sheep. Got it. Thank you for mansplaining it for the rest of us.
Really cool take. Seems way new to me. I don't know about the romulans being more advanced though. Didn't they lose the first romulan war?
@@Yarkoonian So, yes, but, I got a long way into a reply before I settled on... In WW2 the Americans went to war with Nasty Germany and the Empire of Japan. Big deal. Lots of manufacturing, huge armies, you've probably heard of it. But the US was also at war with Italy. To the Italians that whole mediterranean thing was a huge deal, to the US it was an 'oh yeah' thing.
if you go back and rewatch the Romuloid episodes with this in mind, you get a different tone to them, and it's one I prefer. They think humans, siding as they have with the Space Amish, are funny. They see us as something like scientologists. The few who are unfortunate enough to be assigned duty working the border amuse themselves by toying with the pink idiots from time to time but we are not and never have been any kind of actual threat, so every time we go nose to nose the Romulan is barely able to contain their giggles.
DS9 does not fit brilliantly with this, to be fair. Although there is still elements, one could perhaps make a case that the Romuloid interest in the Dominion is in using the wormyhole as a means to further extend their war with the Borg, but that's a bit of a reach.
I also like the notion, deep in my brain, that the Pointy Green chaps are also at war with the Shelliac Corporate, mainly because it gives that dreadful episode a little seasoning.
I always thought this was such bullshit. Vulcans have had warp drive for how long? Theirs should be perfect and unmatched by anyone else in the Star Trek universe. Period. Just like the way the animal Klingons are always shown to be superior to the Romulans. Total bullshit.
Ouch, that pronunciation hurt my ears. Try it like this, with the short "i" sound instead of an "a" sound. Remember, the root word is "progeny", and that should help. Pro-gen-itors. Thanks!
It seems you're of the opinion _Discovery_ isn't canon. If that's true, then BRAVO. That show - and _Strange New World_ - has such blatant disregard to continuity to be disgraceful. Anyone who claims _Dis_ and _SNW_ are Prime canon, are clearly blind. With all the flak thrown at _Enterprise_ with its design choices, you could argue, "Yeah, that amount of change could happen in the century leading to TOS." But Kurtzman and co's attitude is just, "Old shit looks shit, let's make the TOS era more advanced than _TNG_ !"
Sigh grognards like you argued that TNG was a travesty because it contradicted TOS...and then DS9 was a stain...and etc. BSG and Doctor Who went through the same. Lore shouldn't be a chain but a tool in fiction. But eh...you all die out anyways...one way or the another...so get it out of your system and we'll just ignore you like we all did throughout other fiction franchises.
Why does a low budget tv show from the sixties get to be the final say for the rest of eternity. There are many things Gene wanted to do but just didn't have the money (the Klingons for example). It's ok to change canon if it is done for the right reasons. SNW is doing it to drive stories and character development. It never made ANY sense that Spock and T'pring were engaged at 7 and then never saw each again. SNW is fixing these inconsistencies in the best way possible, by creating good content.
@@1stgradevernacular925 Episodes like "Trials and Tribble-ations" and "In a Mirror, Darkly" proved no matter how cheap, flimsy and '60s the TOS-era was, that WAS how it looked. No ifs, buts or maybes. If you're going to set a show in that era and claim it's the same timeline (at least the Kelvin films had the decency to be upfront about its alternate status) it _has_ to be that way.
The Klingons' change was done _after_ TOS, and the aforementioned _DS9_ episode stayed true by actually highlighting the difference. _ENT_ went onto actually show how the change happened. The timeline stayed consistent.
NuTrek just says, "Fuck that", let's have it so the Enterprise looked one way (The Cage) had a refit as big as the movie one (SNW) then a DEfit back (TOS). And Starfleet will have several, completely different uniform designs simultaneously" (it was bad enough when _DS9_ introduced their own suits)
The argument is always "Modern audiences wouldn't accept designs that simple anymore." Then DON'T DO PREQUELS. If they're not prepared to stay true to the proper aesthetic, just set it in another timeline. No matter how much they fill in character backstories (and being unable to resist the urge to bring in Kirk, Uhura and Chapel eventhough they should be nowhere near the Enterprise yet is just sad), their surroundings make it impossible to accept it's the Prime timeline. It's preposterous.
While I agree with the 1960s bit, TOS is too old and imo shouldn't be taken as hard canon. That doesn't excuse Kurtzman and co for taking a shit on lore every chance they have though, without respect it should be rejected.
Dude, it's entertainment. You can enjoy it or not, but you are not the authority on what is and what's not part of the story. Write your own fiction and let people like whatever the heck they like.