Borg cubes are three kilometers on a side and have the mass of thousands of starships. At Wolf 359 and sector 001 we saw them one shot starships and stand up to a fleet's worth of fine. Yet in games they have the firepower of one or two starships and the durability of soap bubbles. I blame it on programmer bias.
Agreed. Also the Ori technologically should outclass the Borg easily. Consider the age of the civilizations in question, the fact that the Ori have intergalactic travel capabilities, not to mention space magic. Their ships were literally invincible against all weapons thrown at them except those of other extremely old, intergalactic civilizations like the ancients and the Asgard. The Borg may be the biggest kid on the block in Star Trek, but they're just outclassed by the Ori. I'd like to see a goa'ould versus Borg fleet battle though. I'd guess the Borg would win, unless the Jaffa could pull off a massive boarding action and fight the Borg hand to hand, staff weapons and zats would be useless after the first few shots, but a staff weapon is still a staff without the energy blasts.
@@kevin9218 The Ori themselves should outclass the Borg yes, but that might not hold true for the tools they give to their slaves. I'd expect they take a goa'uld approach of handing out only enough to do the task, and nothing more. That being a case a standard Ori ship should be able to take on known threats, but should struggle against something like the Borg, who are supposed to be extremely good at technological loophole abuse. Sure the Ori weapon should cut right though the cube like it isn't there, but it's a narrow beam, and there is a lot of material to destroy, and the Borg are absurdly good at damage control. If Borg transporters can find a way through the Ori shields, then it's all over for the Ori's human crew, and any priors on board would probably have trouble protecting everywhere, and would likely blow up the ship to deny it to the enemy.
wraith hive ships are also very massive, but it only takes a few hits from Asgard plasma beams to blow them up. Ori shields can withstand a few hits, so assuming that Ori weapons are on par with their shields: Ori beam weapons are roughly equivalent in power to Asgard beam weapons, but slower firing, possible higher damage per shot since it has a longer duration. So, if the Asgard beams can destroy something the size of a hive in a handful of shots, the Borg's sheer mass won't afford them that much of an advantage. They would at the very least poke a hole straight through the cube with each shot. And, if they shoot for the center of mass, they'll hit the vinculum, which is the only real vital spot on a Borg ship, according to Voyager at least.
@@kevin9218 True enough. My main beef with the way Cubes are portrayed in games is they tend to have no firepower at all. One of these things is supposed to be a major threat to a whole fleet, and that isn’t the case when a single Sovereign can take down a ship faster than a cube. The only way it makes sense is if the Borg are hugely inferior technologically, and they aren’t supposed to be.
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It normally takes 2 to 3 shots before the borg cube, will have adapted to the weapon. A borg cube will ram its enemy if it thinks it's losing. We saw this in voyager.
So it depends then which weapons the Ori use 1st, their small point defence stuff or the main gun (both are the same tech, different scale, adapting to 1 adapts to the other). The smaller ones admittedly were 1 shotting Ha'taks so they are no joke. Also depends if the Ori's shields are up when 1st encountered, the Borg will board them before even bothering to send their usual "resistance is futile" message.
Great holy armies shall be gathered and trained to fight all who embrace evil. In the name of the Gods, ships shall be built to carry the warriors out amongst the stars and we will spread Origin to all the unbelievers. The power of the Ori will be felt far and wide and the wicked shall be vanquished.
hmm, if the borg could use the cutting beams or something at a micro level and make a super small hole in the ori shields then beam borg nanites onto the ori ship.
Is Adria on board? She can use those telekinetic powers on the Borg 😄. I agree with you... by now, the Borg should have adapted. Unless that Ori beam weapon shifts frequencies. (I doubt it). Hallowed are the Ori, but more hallowed is Morena Baccarin. 😊
@@Thurgosh_OG just from this video alone we’ve learned that the Borg tractor beams are effective against the OI vessels. That’s huge considering that the OI have a giant main gun on the front but if the Borg grab them in a tractor beam and stay behind them, they can’t engage the cube. It’s a huge weakness in the Ori design. If Daniel Jackson was able to beam through their shields when they fired …. You can be damn sure the Borg will figure out the same thing and put drones on that toilet bowl. The drones don’t even have to be successful in capturing the ship. All they have to do is tap into its data network and start stealing engineering schematics.
VIEWER REQUEST: Ori vs Species 8472. Move over Species 8472, the Ori is here to kick your ass lol. I'm glad to see another Ori vs Borg episode. I think I stated that even with more than one Borg ship the Ori would still survive. I don't think the Borg would adapt to the Ori's beam weapon unless they were able to assimilate a Prior. Interesting that it had a tough time with a tactical cube. However you're right they were made to handle species like the Ori. I'm surprised the Borg didn't send a couple of those to assimilate Earth. MAYBE over time the entire fleet would have been able to take out both cubes but they would have sustained heavy losses. My mouth dropped when you were able to quickly wipe the floor with the Ori using the 29th Century Borg cube. Holy hell that was impressive to say the least. I remember that one episode in season 10 of SG-1 where Samantha got pulled into an alternate reality by an alternate Sam Carter while that one was doing an experiment and the alt Sam died as a result of it. In that reality Major Lorne was in command of SG-1 instead of Cam (he got dumped by the Air Force hard). General Landry was President of the US and George Hammond was still in command of the SGC. In that reality they had never discovered Atlantis as they didn't have an International Committee like in the prime reality. They forced the prime Sam Carter to help them develop a measure against an Ori fleet that was heading for Earth to annihilate it. Oh they also had to make the Stargate program public (don't remember why) and it caused bad things to happen across the planet. I think our Sam Carter was gone for a few weeks. Anyways with the help of Merlin's tech our Sam Carter and their Dr Lee were able to completely cloak the entire planet and was 100% Ori proof. Then of course that Earth had found said Merlin's tech but wasn't sure what it was and put it in storage. Oh and can't forget in that reality their Sam Carter and Rodney McKay were married for a brief time. They also brought in Rodney to take over Sam's position there at Stargate Command and was able to return to our reality.
The Borg would have a number of things to adapt to. Firstly, I doubt they could lock on to the Ori Shields with their tractor beams. Secondly, the weapons of the Ori are so powerful that they'd overwhelm the Borg ships in seconds. Thirdly, how would the Borg adapt to the telekinesis of the Prior running the ship? They can't beam through the shields and even if they did, the Prior would stop them in their tracks.
@@RetroBadgerGaming never underestimate a ferengi to see a chance for glorious profit XD even if the profits is dangerous to a fault but then this rule comes up "the riskier the road, the greater the reward"
If this actually happened, based on established lore of both franchises. Assuming this is the first encounter between the two factions, the Ori would completely obliterate the first cube in one or two shots. Then the real fight begins with the second cube, which is quickly adapting to the Ori technology and can probably withstand their beam weapon now. Although, the Ori still have a Prior on board, and that's not the kind of thing the Borg can adapt too easily.
@@nomanomen4611the Tauri figured out how to disrupt a prior’s ability to use his powers using sonic vibration… the Borg should be able to do the same thing in short order regardless of whether or not it’s the first the second the third or the 30th cube, the Borg collective would eventually prevail.
😲Gosh.. This was wicked and the Ori.. would like to know their tech.. gosh.. and thought the Ori ships were big but saw the size difference wow.. and yes the 32nd Century Borg ship is beautiful.. and scary lol. love the lights and when you zoomed in , crikey the phasers wow.. great battle Admiral.. like another mentioned, would does thin interior of the Future Borg look like.. hmm. Great battle Admiral!😊🖖*I had to take screen shots of the Tactical Cube and Future Cube for later making them.. lol
The idea in Stargate is, I think, that their ships are actually quite bare minimum tech wise and primarily act as a focus and possibly amplifier for the Ori's power. Though it's important to note that this was tech that was considered "bare minimum" by an offshoot of the Ancients, who are arguably the most technologically advanced species in the known Universe and created and contained microscopic universes to draw energy from as a portable power source. So their idea of "bare minimum" is still going to be pretty impressive. But the idea was that they wanted to keep their followers as reliant on them as possible, so the ships were specifically designed to be built and operated by what were essentially peasants who largely just understood that if you pressed this button the Gods would smite the non believers with divine wrath.
Unless the Ori take out a borg cube in the first shot, The borg would adapt and counter the Ori weapons. The Ori shield would be useless after a few shots from the borg.
I’d think the Ori would just have to convert a single Borg to a Prior. Once an ascendent ancient is inside the Collective I imagine the entire Borg domain would be unstoppable.
but....will the machine believe in a "higher power" and actually gain the abilities of the Ori? Or, would the being just become a shell like every other lifeform? I'm genuinely curious on this one.
those flying toilets are not just powerful, they are OP as hell and even their ship main power generation is made from a lesser-singularity but without the byproduct of a collapsed gravitional distortion field caused by a complete singularity, it is fueled and sustained by Zero Point Energy a inexhaustible and complete variant of the Ancients limited ZPM.
Makes you wonder what would happen if a tactical cube grabbed this thing in a tractor beam and pointed the business and elsewhere so that the Ori couldn’t shoot at the cube and then applied their energy dampen beam to bleed energy off of it. If it’s really is powered by an Arcturus reactor …. The Borg would need to suck a lot of juice out of it to make the shields drop, but the amount of power that the board could siphon off of it and then throw back into their own weapon. Systems would also theoretically be unlimited. Obviously, we know that or eye shields can be penetrated by the Asgard beam weapon ….. meaning that it can be done. It’s just a matter of the Borg adapting and making use of the tens of thousands of races worth of knowledge that they have in order to find a way to pierce that shield. They do drones on board or beaming technology off or scanning the ark tourist reactor, and figuring out how it works, would make the collective ridiculously powerful.
@@Matt-yg8ub It would be disastrous not just for the Federation but the entire Laniakea Galactic Supercluster since the Borg trans-warp drive is capable of reaching other galaxies with the right and more powerful as well as limitless energy source. So it's safe to say they could expand and assimilate all other species from different galaxies in a short time, growing their armies and armada making them an unstoppable force. Star Trek energy Shields are way better than Stargate since they have the technology and capability to change frequencies and resonance making them more adaptive and modular depending on situations Borgs also have that capability, if not only for the Federation finding a solution to keep their weapons harmonized with the Borg Shields to penetrate their Cubes. But Asgarg on the other hand, shields may not be as modular and adaptive to change Frequencies, Resonance, and Magnitude, but they are strong and durable and could take much strain and damage unlike Star Trek shielding tech. With the Borg having to get their hand on Ori, Ancient, and Asgard technologies eventually, then u could say they will be the most ridiculous faction in Sci-Fi Television ever. only to get swatted like a fly by the most powerful Book Sci-Fi factions and any other Sci-Fi genre, like the Xeelee and the Downstreamers.
only watched half way so far, given that the earth ships with asgard upgrades could kill the ori ships with a few shots, i would think the borg would adapt to the ori shields quite quickly
The beam weapon sound of this version of the Ori ship isnt right. Really bugging me as I watch it lol It doesnt ramp up for long enough and the beam doesnt stay active for long enough before turning off again.
The Ori ship weapons and shields are far more advanced than 29th century Federation or Borg tech. Literally millions of years more advanced. They had the 'knowledge of the universe' and millions of years of first hand knowledge dealing with energy weapons and shields. It took the combined millenias old technology from two civilizations to match them, the Asgard and the Ancients/Lanteans. The 29th century Borg cube must have stumbled on an equally advanced civilization somewhere, perhaps one in transition to a higher plane themselves and leaving everything material behind, or perhaps even extinct or in decline due to disease or some catastrophe.
Not really. The Tauri are by no means that advanced and yet they had all the tools at their disposal to be be able to take down the Ori as well. If Daniel Jackson can beam through the Ori shields simply because he realizes they can’t shoot through them and have to drop them to fire, the Borg can do the exact same thing. If the borg randomly bumped into one of these ships in a nebula somewhere, the Ori would probably win cold turkey …. But the Borg would send reinforcements and win in the end.
"The question is... in reality..." I love that, my thoughts exactly. I´ll just beam aboard Starbase I and do some further research. See you on monday...
If this were cannon a single Ori prior could take down both borg cubes single handedly. The borg territory was a portion of one quadrant in the startrek galaxy. The Ori have their own galaxy for their territory.
If this was canon, the borg would sacrifice the first cube in order to gain tactical information, the second cube would be better prepared, the third, third fourth fifth sixth seventh….. I might even go as far as to say the 10th cube but at that point the Borg would know how to deal with the Ori and would prevail. The Ori seek domination and power gained from the adoration of their billions of followers …. Which means they need lots and lots of followers. The Borg have no such desire, they seek biological and technological distinctiveness, and they do not expand like a cancer, consuming everything in their path they selectively choose what to pursue and what not to pursue…. And when. The Borg encountered the United Federation of planets and instead instead of sending 1000 cubes and wiping them from the universe, taking all of their biological technological distinctiveness as of that moment, the Borg sought to farm the federation for technology . They poked at them for the next 20 years, prodding them and forcing them to innovate and develop new technologies and strategies to deal with the provocations. The Borg could have eliminated the Federation at any moment, rampage through their territory and subjugated them all, but they did not because that was not in the interest of the collective. Assuming the Ori attempt to invade Borg space, the pitiful handful of OI. Ships will not be enough to resist the tens of thousands of Borg vessels. As demonstrated in this video, the Borg tractor beams are effective weapon, the Ori have a very powerful forward weapon ….. but it is fixed forward. If two or three cubes ganged up on one of these things, grabbed it in a tractor beam and pointed it in the right direction The Ori would be unable to engage the cubes, and the Borg would undoubtedly utilize their energy dampeners to drain its power, knocked down its shields and steal its secrets
If you can get the Ori ship in a tractor lock, you basically won the fight already because it has an extremely powerful forward weapon but once you have it in your tractor beam it can’t target you with it. At that point, the Borg can simply deploy their energy dampeners and burn through the Ori shields
Borg cubes have an advantage in their generalized structure. They can rotate different faces to their targets to soak damage. That makes it harder to disable them.
In reality, an Ori ship could may destroy a borg cube, but the borg just adapt and send more ship, and the Ori has no chance to avoid assimilation. As soon as the Borg penetrate the Ori shield, the Ori is done and assimilated.
@@StArShIpEnTeRpRiSe Not quite! They used priors and human slaves but when they got on the ships. Their Psychokineic powers were off the scale but without Q's sarcasm and insults!
@@Tonydjjokerit That's just it though. The Ori were arguably as powerful as the Q Continuum. The Borg were nerfed down for plot reasons. But if the OG Borg made a nearly omnipotent being like Q shite his pants at the thought of them, I think the Ori would have their hands full.
The only reason the ori used ship was because the milky way galaxy had ascended beings as well and they did not want to start a ascended being war . So they just skirted the rules and sent ships and people. In reality if the Borg went to the ori galaxy they would just get deleted by the real ori.
The ORI - a multi-million year old society whose controllers have ascended and presumably passed ship build infomation down to their flock .. the y are the equivalent of run by the Q. The borg basically cyborgs... their adaption 'power' ridiculous and really only optimising their shields 'magically' to different phaser frequecncies ....... the borg could board however , and would probably do ok except against the priests. (though would have to get the ori shields down first)
Even the Tauri found a technological means by which to neutralize the priors…. After only encountering them a handful of times. Let’s be perfectly honest here, the Borg are vastly technologically superior and possess a multitude of sensor systems to be able to reach that same conclusion, a whole lot faster. The Borg would eventually find a way to neutralize the prior. If Daniel Jackson could successfully beam through the Ori shields when they fired …. The Borg could certainly figure out the same tactic.
assimilating the ori fighters would provide no info as they where dark age level educated. assimilating a prior would be impossible as he would spontaneously combust. an adapting to their weaponry and shielding would be limited by the Borgs power generation. Their counterparts the ancients made ZPMs practically hand held batteries that could power ships cities etc.. before they ascended. So what ever the ascended ori came up with to power these ships would be even a level higher. Nothing but the omega molecule comes close in star trek.
the sheer power of the Ori beam weapon would most likely not give them time to adapt, 1-2 shots and the beam cuts clean through the cube and hits whatever is behind it as well, adapt all they want, their shields simply dont have enough power to withstand the Ori's attacks.
There is no way the Ori could destroy a cube. What we know about there tech makes it a mismatch for the massive adaptability of the Borg. But heres another thought, the Borg will let a Cube be destroyed for the greater good of the collective. That the Ori fleet is at most a few hundred ships and the Borg count their ships in the thousands means the Borg could inevitably win through attrition. Or they could seek the help of species 8472.
Au contraire as Q would say! The Ori will make very short work of the Borg. The Borg are very adaptable but Can they seriously beat energy beings? That's what the Ori are!
@@Tonydjjokerit the Ori themselves are ascended beings…. Who can’t directly interact with this universe because the ancients would intervene against them. The Ori gain their power from the worship of their followers. The Ori themselves cannot intervene and the Borg can wipe out their followers.
@@Matt-yg8ub The Ori do interact, the ancients don't. It was a flaw in the show that they never did in their galaxy. It was said that in our galaxy they didn't due to the "rules" but they would "in reality" I beleive.
@@Matt-yg8ub The Q were technology based, the Ori were something else. I agree though, having Q involved does...or used to make thinghs awkward, now the Q seem afraid of the Borg for some bizarre reason.
Question is would they be able to operate it (atleast at 1st), as it needs a prior to run it and its doubtful they could assimilate one of those without a power dampening device. The Ori kindof cheat with their tech, massively advanced but doesn't actually play by the rules of the physical universe entirely. It's never explained if the ship could be "hacked" to run without a Prior, all we know is SG1 couldn't do it in the few hours they had to try.
Unfortunately, this is not how the Borg would have reacted to this encounter. They would have first beamed drones on to the Ori ship, obtained their knowledge and technology, and then the cube would have waited for the first attack. As in the Enterprise D first encounter after two shots from phasers and torpedo's the Borg would have adapted, and the Ori's weapons would have been rendered useless. Unless the Ori fled the Borg would have attacked till the Ori's shields were drained and either assimilated the Ori or used the Borg cutting beam to obtain the tech that they wanted.
@@Tonydjjokerit no, the Borg are dealing with a piece of technology that was built by peasants with crude tools….. that is being operated by a genetically modified organic being whose modifications can be neutralized by a sub sonic speaker system akin to a hyped up Alexa. Stargate is a series populated by a bunch of aliens with technology masquerading as magic
oh come on the cyberships wouldnt even last 5 seconds the borg would be collectively laughing im a whovian and i know the cybermen are no threat to the borg. in terms of enemies the cybermen are actually one of the weaker enemies the doctor has faced.
Man, I dont know how this would go. On paper it's a highly adaptive intuitive group vs a very ridged group with a massive technological lead. The question is can the ori win before the borg adapt. However based on each parties onscreen portrayal, this isn't a race to win, this is a race to failure. 🤔 The ori wont recognise the threat, will refuse to press the advantage and persue a strategy that all but encourages the borg to adapt, meanwhile the borg will ignore their owns strengths and sacrifice as many resources as possible in an attempt to slow the ori advance, then once the imediate threat has passed, proceed to ignor the ori and do nothing to counter them 🤔
The Borg were powerless against Species 8472 and you expect them to take on an Ori ship...?? The Ori beam weapon would slice straight through a Borg cube in seconds.
Even without voyager, the Borg were adapting to 8472. With voyager all the doctor did was reprogram the Borg nanoprobes to mimic 8472’s bio signature so that its antibodies didn’t target the nanoprobes.
First of all Borg would adapt their shields to stop the attack and fazers to be best at penetrating enemy shields. Secondly they would not spin like that. This would be counterproductive. Thirdly as it was hown when after returning from the Hive Picard was telling the fleet where to actually strike. Everyone thought those sections of the Borg Cube were irrelevasnt but Picard knew those were actially vital areas and it allowed destro the Borg Cube. Base on that i think that Ori would have a slim if any chance of winning. Dough i have no idea would Borg be capable of asimilating the Ori.
The Borg wouldn't stand a chance. Since the Vorlon ships are biological as are species 8472, The Borg cannot detect them so the Planet Killer will obliterate them in seconds!
It wasn't always well represented in the show but the Vorlons and Shadows were supposed to be far, far beyond humanity. Literally billions of years old with the tech to match.
@@Tonydjjokerit it wasn't that Species 8472's tech was biological that made it an issue for the Borg (they'd assimilated biology based tech before), it was that it was so massively foriegn to them and aggressive in its own defense making it hard to analyse, likely given time they'd have adapted to it in the same way Voyager did, they just hadn't gotten around to trying that approach yet (which made sense as dispite them having access to all the same knowledge Voyager had access to, they had a different goal, assimilation rather than annihilation). So in this case while the cube likely would be destroyed fairly rapidly, the planet killer would have been boarded by dozens if not hundreds of drones by that point, all of which would be trying to assimilate it and might eventually manage to. A lack of shield tech is a major downfall when fighting the Borg, their 1st action is always a boarding action when encountering something new. Oh and for reference sake, its not that the Borg couldn't adapt to the weapons of species 8472, they likely could (or already had), they simply couldn't repel firepower at that level, the power difference was just too large, or as Akbar would put it "we can't repel firepower of that magnitude". The 8472 boarding actions they couldn't stop because well, it'd be like wearing a bullet proof vest and expecting it to stop an elephant running you over.
@@cgi2002 Same with the Vorlons and Shadows! The Vorlons would be impossible to board being a creature rather than a machine. Also the Vorlons can be very aggressive as well as the Shadows and species 8472.
@@Tonydjjokerit been a creature doesn't make it impossible to board, just more difficult. If it has empty internal spaces, it can be boarded, and well, shadow vessels do. Their individuals would both be challenging to assimilate, but not impossible, and definatly easier than 8472, as neither tends to view bulkheads as a minor inconvience when walking from A to B wereas they do. Not saying the borg could beat them, just saying its not black and white, we only ever see the surface of what the Borg are capable of. Remember they only ever send a single ship here and there, but their fleet numbers in the litteral millions, their species in the trillions. I hold to a theory that the borg never do full on attacks for a reason, they want people to resist, to adapt, to improve, as it makes them more worthy of been assimilated, they only ever overrun a species when it finally reaches the end of its ability to adapt. Resistance is not futile, its the entire point, resist and keep resisting until you can't anymore, only then will they destroy you.
The ori's beam weapon is acting like phasers here.. they normally -in the series- have a longer duration and power level it seems... Crossovers in SciFi do speak to imagination but may be hard to justify sometimes
I don't know about the games, but in the Star Trek cinematic universe the Ori would have won the first fight or two but then the Borg would have adapted to their attacks and slaughtered them. Humans were able to hold off the Borg due to their unique ability to adapt and come up with new solutions. The Ori were anything but flexible. Hell, even the Q were afraid of the Borg.
The Federation survived the Borg only because the Borg weren’t interested in conquering the Federation outright. The Borg have no ego, they have no need for conquest ….. Their only directive is to seek out biological and technological distinctiveness. Humans weren’t particularly biologically distinctive, they weren’t particularly good for much as far as the collective was concerned….. but the federation was a large repository of technology from a wide variety of sources, all being being used together. Rather than go conquer the federation and take their tech, the Borg assimilated one of their ships took all their tech and then poked them occasionally, so they would make more tech for the board to come back and assimilate. Didn’t the biology in the Federation, so they were basically just farming them for technological upgrades overtime
I think the Borg would be able to adapt to the ship weaponry, given suitable time. The real question would be if they could adapt to the Priors, or to Adria.
I'm curious if someone can make a mod that gives the Borg adaptive protocols of some kind. Maybe something like each weapon impact receives 1% less damage from that weapon type. E.g. 10 photon torpedo impacts gives the borg 10% less damage (or else more resistance) to photon torpedoes and so on
@@darkmatter1152 I'm not so sure. It doesn't defeat federation ships that fast. Sovereign can hold out for a little bit before succumbing, I'd imagine the Oddy or Inquiry would last longer due to being newer and more powerful, however the Ori are much more powerful than a lot of other races in Sci Fi. Highly effective shields, the firepower of the main weapon itself can cause a lot of damage alone, and like both ships, forward heavy, although the Ori ship having secondary weapons dotted around. I think it might be an interesting fight.
Oh the borg would be wetting their pants to assimilate some high level psyonic warriors with a direct telekinetic link to a whole race of extragalactic "Q" - the Ori are on the level of the Q continuum, I'd say. I think the Borg would have adapted to the beam weapon quickly, but who knows if the Ori in the Pegasus galaxy couldn't adapt the weapon supernaturally faster than they could adapt. Perfect enemies, IMO.
When the Asgard failed to scratch the Ori ships you knew there was a problem. The Borg ultimately would win almost any scenario because of their adaptation and numbers. As Q said. Damage them and the essence of what they are remains. They always return with upgrades and greater numbers.
Iv a battle idea a fleet of Borg Simatars Vs a fleet of Borg Galaxy classes 😋...I would love to see the carnage from thst lol 😆....great as all ways RB 👏 😊
It's a no contests the Borg are physical beings dependent upon physical constraints, the Ori are malevolent being in a different state of existence... The Ori followers have significant advantages that would utterly obliterate a Borg cube. We've seen the Ori destroy planets so a cube is irrelevant. Even 2 to 1 the Borg are irrelevant to Ori ships... In the first conflict Asgard ships with Goa’uld ships and the latest human ship failed against 3 Ori ships without taking damage... Need I say more...
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have you ever done a match up on other franchises with star trek like babylon 5, battlestar galactica both old and new and maybe star wars those are big names i can think of but there are others mostly in the gaming world that would be interesting to see.
I don't think the Borg could adapt to the Ori. The Ori are probably a million years ahead of anything the Borg assimilated. And assuming that the Ori existed in this universe and not the ship somehow beam in from another universe, the Ori probably would make sure the beam isn't adaptable by the Borg.
in proper lore, the Ori would utterly dominate over the Borg, almost guaranteed to oneshot the borg, if they line up, the penetrating shot would take out the cube behind it as well, the Ori is essentially Startrek's version of a evil Q continium who have no reservations over interfering and posing as gods, who get more powerful as people worship them, the tech they grant their followers is on a level that nothing in Startrek even remotely comes close to.
The first one maybe but the next one would take 8 shots and the one after that would take 15 and the one after that would be 45….. see where this is going? What we learned from this video is that the Borg tractor beams would be an effective weapon to hold the OI mothership in place. It’s got a giant beam canon on the front of it and if the Borg just grab it at tractor beam and stand behind the OI ship it’s got no shot and they have all damn day to use their energy dampers to defeat shields and assimilate its crew.
@@alexutzusrl100 well we’re trying to keep magic out of the equation here :-) if we start playing with space magic, we might as well pit The Ori ship against Q and see what happens. The weapon requires a prior to fire… just like drones require someone with the gene, but it runs on science just like the rest of the ship
This sim was not accurate, bacause - 1st : The ORI beam not have the capability to fire with that rating (speed I mean) much more longer needed to be recharged! 2nd : the tactical cube have much more firepower than was used in this sim 3rd: the slicer beam and the assimilator beams was not used too + the tractor ones (wich include shield power draining wich could be almost deadly for the ORI ship because its not have a shield remodultion capability!)
I felt like Stargate suffered from the Ori in a similar fashion to how Babylon 5 suffered from the Drahk. Both were super powered enemies brought in to up the ante after the main series baddies had been vanquished. It’s a lazy writing tool, but Stargate at least fleshed the Ori out more, whilst the Drakh were 2D and in ships that seemed like the worst animated and designed. Anyway, I feel like these are both “bolt on” baddies that aren’t really worth considering. Contrived new baddies, contrived that previously super powered goodies are now weak and useless … just a contrived writing tool to create faux drama.
borg adaptation is allowed because trek tech is trying to be clever with energy types. universes where the beams are mass being obliterated and sent at relativistic speed anrent being clever with energy types. and so arent going to let the borg adapt due to the tyson principle of high kinetic mass interaction: "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth."
OMFG this is such PLOT ARMOR you wanted to The Ori to win....All the Borg would need to do is alter their shield geometry and frequencies as well as their weapon(s) array and to lock on to the Ori ship with their tractor beam and while in that beam drones onboard the Ori ship....JFC it is not that hard...
Borg cubes are three kilometers on a side and have the mass of thousands of starships. At Wolf 359 and sector 001 we saw them one shot starships and stand up to a fleet's worth of fine. Yet in games they have the firepower of one or two starships and the durability of soap bubbles. I blame it on programmer bias.
Agreed. Also the Ori technologically should outclass the Borg easily. Consider the age of the civilizations in question, the fact that the Ori have intergalactic travel capabilities, not to mention space magic. Their ships were literally invincible against all weapons thrown at them except those of other extremely old, intergalactic civilizations like the ancients and the Asgard. The Borg may be the biggest kid on the block in Star Trek, but they're just outclassed by the Ori.
I'd like to see a goa'ould versus Borg fleet battle though. I'd guess the Borg would win, unless the Jaffa could pull off a massive boarding action and fight the Borg hand to hand, staff weapons and zats would be useless after the first few shots, but a staff weapon is still a staff without the energy blasts.
@@kevin9218 The Ori themselves should outclass the Borg yes, but that might not hold true for the tools they give to their slaves. I'd expect they take a goa'uld approach of handing out only enough to do the task, and nothing more. That being a case a standard Ori ship should be able to take on known threats, but should struggle against something like the Borg, who are supposed to be extremely good at technological loophole abuse.
Sure the Ori weapon should cut right though the cube like it isn't there, but it's a narrow beam, and there is a lot of material to destroy, and the Borg are absurdly good at damage control. If Borg transporters can find a way through the Ori shields, then it's all over for the Ori's human crew, and any priors on board would probably have trouble protecting everywhere, and would likely blow up the ship to deny it to the enemy.
Ori ships aren't small either.
wraith hive ships are also very massive, but it only takes a few hits from Asgard plasma beams to blow them up. Ori shields can withstand a few hits, so assuming that Ori weapons are on par with their shields: Ori beam weapons are roughly equivalent in power to Asgard beam weapons, but slower firing, possible higher damage per shot since it has a longer duration. So, if the Asgard beams can destroy something the size of a hive in a handful of shots, the Borg's sheer mass won't afford them that much of an advantage. They would at the very least poke a hole straight through the cube with each shot. And, if they shoot for the center of mass, they'll hit the vinculum, which is the only real vital spot on a Borg ship, according to Voyager at least.
@@kevin9218 True enough. My main beef with the way Cubes are portrayed in games is they tend to have no firepower at all. One of these things is supposed to be a major threat to a whole fleet, and that isn’t the case when a single Sovereign can take down a ship faster than a cube. The only way it makes sense is if the Borg are hugely inferior technologically, and they aren’t supposed to be.
The Ori ships are cool, but they look to me like flying bedpans . . .
Borg" Resistance is futile"
Ori "And those who are prideful, and refuse to bow down, shall be laid low.. and made unto dust"
Borg: So, you're resisting then? Prepare to be assimilated.
Hahahah!
Ori: We will make you adopt our religion!
Species 8472: Can you breath in liquid?! 🤣😂🤣 Even if you could, you think your religion will hold any superiority in my universe?! 🤣😂🤣 You dont even hold more then one galaxy 🤣😂🤣
The Ori cliffhanger was the only tv c.h. that left me speechless and mouth open after.
It normally takes 2 to 3 shots before the borg cube, will have adapted to the weapon. A borg cube will ram its enemy if it thinks it's losing. We saw this in voyager.
So it depends then which weapons the Ori use 1st, their small point defence stuff or the main gun (both are the same tech, different scale, adapting to 1 adapts to the other). The smaller ones admittedly were 1 shotting Ha'taks so they are no joke.
Also depends if the Ori's shields are up when 1st encountered, the Borg will board them before even bothering to send their usual "resistance is futile" message.
Ori vs species 8472 (i think that's the correct species identification 😂)
That was my first thought. He's already done it
@@1st2nd2 I'll have to look it up.
Now called the Undine
I want to see either the Ori or the centauri fight a bunch of Orvilles.
8472 or Undine yes.
great thing about borg cubes is they are so big that they are almost impossible to miss😊
Great holy armies shall be gathered and trained to fight all who embrace evil. In the name of the Gods, ships shall be built to carry the warriors out amongst the stars and we will spread Origin to all the unbelievers. The power of the Ori will be felt far and wide and the wicked shall be vanquished.
hmm, if the borg could use the cutting beams or something at a micro level and make a super small hole in the ori shields then beam borg nanites onto the ori ship.
ORI Weapons would cut right through the cubes. They were Ancient technology. But the Borg would assimilate their home planet easily so no safe port.
Within their Homegalaxy the Ori are something like the Q continuum so basically omnipotent. The Borg wouldnt land. They would cease to exist.
This was more fun than i thought it would've been
The ori defeating a Borg D6? That was such a roll of the dice. 🎲
Even Q would roll his dice over that one
29th century Borg broke two things: The Ori and the 4th wall. Hollow are the Ori! 😛
Hallowed are The Ori!
@@bracesbread01 He knows; it was a play on words, and he's right.
@@KrayzeeAssKrisReturns I was t correcting him? It's the usual response to that saying....
Is Adria on board? She can use those telekinetic powers on the Borg 😄.
I agree with you... by now, the Borg should have adapted.
Unless that Ori beam weapon shifts frequencies. (I doubt it).
Hallowed are the Ori, but more hallowed is Morena Baccarin. 😊
Morena
@@randomescu oh crap, I fixed it 😄
the Ori beam weapon is more then likely powerfull enough to simply punch through the Borg shields like they where not even there.
Again remember the Borg adapt to any weapon, they have to be modulated to make any kind of impact.
The Borj might lose a Cube or 2 but afterwards, they'd probably have a good chance of defeating an Ori ship.
@@Thurgosh_OG just from this video alone we’ve learned that the Borg tractor beams are effective against the OI vessels. That’s huge considering that the OI have a giant main gun on the front but if the Borg grab them in a tractor beam and stay behind them, they can’t engage the cube.
It’s a huge weakness in the Ori design.
If Daniel Jackson was able to beam through their shields when they fired …. You can be damn sure the Borg will figure out the same thing and put drones on that toilet bowl.
The drones don’t even have to be successful in capturing the ship. All they have to do is tap into its data network and start stealing engineering schematics.
VIEWER REQUEST: Ori vs Species 8472.
Move over Species 8472, the Ori is here to kick your ass lol. I'm glad to see another Ori vs Borg episode. I think I stated that even with more than one Borg ship the Ori would still survive. I don't think the Borg would adapt to the Ori's beam weapon unless they were able to assimilate a Prior.
Interesting that it had a tough time with a tactical cube. However you're right they were made to handle species like the Ori. I'm surprised the Borg didn't send a couple of those to assimilate Earth. MAYBE over time the entire fleet would have been able to take out both cubes but they would have sustained heavy losses.
My mouth dropped when you were able to quickly wipe the floor with the Ori using the 29th Century Borg cube. Holy hell that was impressive to say the least.
I remember that one episode in season 10 of SG-1 where Samantha got pulled into an alternate reality by an alternate Sam Carter while that one was doing an experiment and the alt Sam died as a result of it. In that reality Major Lorne was in command of SG-1 instead of Cam (he got dumped by the Air Force hard). General Landry was President of the US and George Hammond was still in command of the SGC. In that reality they had never discovered Atlantis as they didn't have an International Committee like in the prime reality. They forced the prime Sam Carter to help them develop a measure against an Ori fleet that was heading for Earth to annihilate it. Oh they also had to make the Stargate program public (don't remember why) and it caused bad things to happen across the planet.
I think our Sam Carter was gone for a few weeks. Anyways with the help of Merlin's tech our Sam Carter and their Dr Lee were able to completely cloak the entire planet and was 100% Ori proof. Then of course that Earth had found said Merlin's tech but wasn't sure what it was and put it in storage. Oh and can't forget in that reality their Sam Carter and Rodney McKay were married for a brief time. They also brought in Rodney to take over Sam's position there at Stargate Command and was able to return to our reality.
8472 now Undine would easily destroy the Ori.
The greatest surprise would be the pilot priests' surprise when they saw flying cubes after fighting flying pyramids :-)
The Borg would have a number of things to adapt to. Firstly, I doubt they could lock on to the Ori Shields with their tractor beams. Secondly, the weapons of the Ori are so powerful that they'd overwhelm the Borg ships in seconds. Thirdly, how would the Borg adapt to the telekinesis of the Prior running the ship? They can't beam through the shields and even if they did, the Prior would stop them in their tracks.
Random Ferengi Marauder 5:36 hanging around the background lol
🤣🤣🤣 Like in Star Trek Armada 2, maybe they tow away the broken ships for scrap.
@@RetroBadgerGaming never underestimate a ferengi to see a chance for glorious profit XD even if the profits is dangerous to a fault but then this rule comes up "the riskier the road, the greater the reward"
Tactical cube looks a lot like an old school boom box.
If this actually happened, based on established lore of both franchises. Assuming this is the first encounter between the two factions, the Ori would completely obliterate the first cube in one or two shots. Then the real fight begins with the second cube, which is quickly adapting to the Ori technology and can probably withstand their beam weapon now. Although, the Ori still have a Prior on board, and that's not the kind of thing the Borg can adapt too easily.
Genau der Prior hat kontakt zu den ORI und die können ohne Probleme in die mittel zur Vernichtung der borg geben
@@nomanomen4611the Tauri figured out how to disrupt a prior’s ability to use his powers using sonic vibration… the Borg should be able to do the same thing in short order regardless of whether or not it’s the first the second the third or the 30th cube, the Borg collective would eventually prevail.
Oooooooooooof 29th century lol.................. Oh i wonder what would a 32nd century borg cube be like! Dam that's OP! Ty for the video and LLAP!
Lol. That would be pretty crazy 🖖
😲Gosh.. This was wicked and the Ori.. would like to know their tech.. gosh.. and thought the Ori ships were big but saw the size difference wow.. and yes the 32nd Century Borg ship is beautiful.. and scary lol. love the lights and when you zoomed in , crikey the phasers wow.. great battle Admiral.. like another mentioned, would does thin interior of the Future Borg look like.. hmm. Great battle Admiral!😊🖖*I had to take screen shots of the Tactical Cube and Future Cube for later making them.. lol
The idea in Stargate is, I think, that their ships are actually quite bare minimum tech wise and primarily act as a focus and possibly amplifier for the Ori's power. Though it's important to note that this was tech that was considered "bare minimum" by an offshoot of the Ancients, who are arguably the most technologically advanced species in the known Universe and created and contained microscopic universes to draw energy from as a portable power source. So their idea of "bare minimum" is still going to be pretty impressive. But the idea was that they wanted to keep their followers as reliant on them as possible, so the ships were specifically designed to be built and operated by what were essentially peasants who largely just understood that if you pressed this button the Gods would smite the non believers with divine wrath.
Unless the Ori take out a borg cube in the first shot, The borg would adapt and counter the Ori weapons. The Ori shield would be useless after a few shots from the borg.
I’d think the Ori would just have to convert a single Borg to a Prior. Once an ascendent ancient is inside the Collective I imagine the entire Borg domain would be unstoppable.
but....will the machine believe in a "higher power" and actually gain the abilities of the Ori? Or, would the being just become a shell like every other lifeform? I'm genuinely curious on this one.
those flying toilets are not just powerful, they are OP as hell and even their ship main power generation is made from a lesser-singularity but without the byproduct of a collapsed gravitional distortion field caused by a complete singularity,
it is fueled and sustained by Zero Point Energy a inexhaustible and complete variant of the Ancients limited ZPM.
Makes you wonder what would happen if a tactical cube grabbed this thing in a tractor beam and pointed the business and elsewhere so that the Ori couldn’t shoot at the cube and then applied their energy dampen beam to bleed energy off of it.
If it’s really is powered by an Arcturus reactor …. The Borg would need to suck a lot of juice out of it to make the shields drop, but the amount of power that the board could siphon off of it and then throw back into their own weapon. Systems would also theoretically be unlimited.
Obviously, we know that or eye shields can be penetrated by the Asgard beam weapon ….. meaning that it can be done.
It’s just a matter of the Borg adapting and making use of the tens of thousands of races worth of knowledge that they have in order to find a way to pierce that shield. They do drones on board or beaming technology off or scanning the ark tourist reactor, and figuring out how it works, would make the collective ridiculously powerful.
@@Matt-yg8ub It would be disastrous not just for the Federation but the entire Laniakea Galactic Supercluster since the Borg trans-warp drive is capable of reaching other galaxies with the right and more powerful as well as limitless energy source. So it's safe to say they could expand and assimilate all other species from different galaxies in a short time, growing their armies and armada making them an unstoppable force.
Star Trek energy Shields are way better than Stargate since they have the technology and capability to change frequencies and resonance making them more adaptive and modular depending on situations Borgs also have that capability, if not only for the Federation finding a solution to keep their weapons harmonized with the Borg Shields to penetrate their Cubes. But Asgarg on the other hand, shields may not be as modular and adaptive to change Frequencies, Resonance, and Magnitude, but they are strong and durable and could take much strain and damage unlike Star Trek shielding tech. With the Borg having to get their hand on Ori, Ancient, and Asgard technologies eventually, then u could say they will be the most ridiculous faction in Sci-Fi Television ever.
only to get swatted like a fly by the most powerful Book Sci-Fi factions and any other Sci-Fi genre, like the Xeelee and the Downstreamers.
TACTICAL Borg cube's 1 and Cube! lol
only watched half way so far, given that the earth ships with asgard upgrades could kill the ori ships with a few shots, i would think the borg would adapt to the ori shields quite quickly
I have always thought the Ori ships look like a funny head band flashlight.
The beam weapon sound of this version of the Ori ship isnt right. Really bugging me as I watch it lol It doesnt ramp up for long enough and the beam doesnt stay active for long enough before turning off again.
Yeah it was pretty bad.
In reality it was a big charge up beam that drained shields and melt through armour with ease
The Ori ship weapons and shields are far more advanced than 29th century Federation or Borg tech. Literally millions of years more advanced. They had the 'knowledge of the universe' and millions of years of first hand knowledge dealing with energy weapons and shields. It took the combined millenias old technology from two civilizations to match them, the Asgard and the Ancients/Lanteans.
The 29th century Borg cube must have stumbled on an equally advanced civilization somewhere, perhaps one in transition to a higher plane themselves and leaving everything material behind, or perhaps even extinct or in decline due to disease or some catastrophe.
Not really. The Tauri are by no means that advanced and yet they had all the tools at their disposal to be be able to take down the Ori as well.
If Daniel Jackson can beam through the Ori shields simply because he realizes they can’t shoot through them and have to drop them to fire, the Borg can do the exact same thing.
If the borg randomly bumped into one of these ships in a nebula somewhere, the Ori would probably win cold turkey …. But the Borg would send reinforcements and win in the end.
Where's Masterchief when you need him? He'll take care of business.😊
"The question is... in reality..." I love that, my thoughts exactly. I´ll just beam aboard Starbase I and do some further research. See you on monday...
If this were cannon a single Ori prior could take down both borg cubes single handedly. The borg territory was a portion of one quadrant in the startrek galaxy. The Ori have their own galaxy for their territory.
If this was canon, the borg would sacrifice the first cube in order to gain tactical information, the second cube would be better prepared, the third, third fourth fifth sixth seventh….. I might even go as far as to say the 10th cube but at that point the Borg would know how to deal with the Ori and would prevail.
The Ori seek domination and power gained from the adoration of their billions of followers …. Which means they need lots and lots of followers.
The Borg have no such desire, they seek biological and technological distinctiveness, and they do not expand like a cancer, consuming everything in their path they selectively choose what to pursue and what not to pursue…. And when.
The Borg encountered the United Federation of planets and instead instead of sending 1000 cubes and wiping them from the universe, taking all of their biological technological distinctiveness as of that moment, the Borg sought to farm the federation for technology . They poked at them for the next 20 years, prodding them and forcing them to innovate and develop new technologies and strategies to deal with the provocations.
The Borg could have eliminated the Federation at any moment, rampage through their territory and subjugated them all, but they did not because that was not in the interest of the collective.
Assuming the Ori attempt to invade Borg space, the pitiful handful of OI. Ships will not be enough to resist the tens of thousands of Borg vessels.
As demonstrated in this video, the Borg tractor beams are effective weapon, the Ori have a very powerful forward weapon ….. but it is fixed forward. If two or three cubes ganged up on one of these things, grabbed it in a tractor beam and pointed it in the right direction The Ori would be unable to engage the cubes, and the Borg would undoubtedly utilize their energy dampeners to drain its power, knocked down its shields and steal its secrets
I love how the Ori build there ships in a field like Spacex
The Borg will adapt to the constant weapons fire from the Ori. If the Ori destroys one cube, the other should adapt.
If you can get the Ori ship in a tractor lock, you basically won the fight already because it has an extremely powerful forward weapon but once you have it in your tractor beam it can’t target you with it.
At that point, the Borg can simply deploy their energy dampeners and burn through the Ori shields
How would the Ori fare against species 8472?
Hallowed is your biological and technological distinctiveness.
Borg's strength is to adapt so even when one cube is destroyed - the next cube would have adapted
Borg cubes have an advantage in their generalized structure. They can rotate different faces to their targets to soak damage. That makes it harder to disable them.
The Ori have a very powerful forward gun, but if the cube gets them in a tractor being lock, it’s over because they’ll loose the ability to aim it
If BC managed to make the "adapting" and assimilating down the Replicators vs Borg would be EPIC
In reality, an Ori ship could may destroy a borg cube, but the borg just adapt and send more ship, and the Ori has no chance to avoid assimilation.
As soon as the Borg penetrate the Ori shield, the Ori is done and assimilated.
You're forgetting something. The Ori are energy beings impossible to assimilate!
@@Tonydjjokerit They were not when they used those ships.
@@StArShIpEnTeRpRiSe Not quite! They used priors and human slaves but when they got on the ships. Their Psychokineic powers were off the scale but without Q's sarcasm and insults!
@@Tonydjjokerit That's just it though. The Ori were arguably as powerful as the Q Continuum. The Borg were nerfed down for plot reasons. But if the OG Borg made a nearly omnipotent being like Q shite his pants at the thought of them, I think the Ori would have their hands full.
The only reason the ori used ship was because the milky way galaxy had ascended beings as well and they did not want to start a ascended being war . So they just skirted the rules and sent ships and people. In reality if the Borg went to the ori galaxy they would just get deleted by the real ori.
Assimilated Ori prophets, that's insane thought. The best was matching the Borg with replicators.
That was brilliant. Ye the Ori are probably the most powerful species outside of Star Trek from any other Sci-Fi Franchise.
The ORI - a multi-million year old society whose controllers have ascended and presumably passed ship build infomation down to their flock .. the y are the equivalent of run by the Q. The borg basically cyborgs... their adaption 'power' ridiculous and really only optimising their shields 'magically' to different phaser frequecncies ....... the borg could board however , and would probably do ok except against the priests. (though would have to get the ori shields down first)
Even the Tauri found a technological means by which to neutralize the priors…. After only encountering them a handful of times.
Let’s be perfectly honest here, the Borg are vastly technologically superior and possess a multitude of sensor systems to be able to reach that same conclusion, a whole lot faster.
The Borg would eventually find a way to neutralize the prior.
If Daniel Jackson could successfully beam through the Ori shields when they fired …. The Borg could certainly figure out the same tactic.
assimilating the ori fighters would provide no info as they where dark age level educated. assimilating a prior would be impossible as he would spontaneously combust. an adapting to their weaponry and shielding would be limited by the Borgs power generation. Their counterparts the ancients made ZPMs practically hand held batteries that could power ships cities etc.. before they ascended. So what ever the ascended ori came up with to power these ships would be even a level higher. Nothing but the omega molecule comes close in star trek.
The cube would've adapted after a couple of shots and then it would've just been a matter of time
the sheer power of the Ori beam weapon would most likely not give them time to adapt, 1-2 shots and the beam cuts clean through the cube and hits whatever is behind it as well, adapt all they want, their shields simply dont have enough power to withstand the Ori's attacks.
There is no way the Ori could destroy a cube. What we know about there tech makes it a mismatch for the massive adaptability of the Borg.
But heres another thought, the Borg will let a Cube be destroyed for the greater good of the collective. That the Ori fleet is at most a few hundred ships and the Borg count their ships in the thousands means the Borg could inevitably win through attrition. Or they could seek the help of species 8472.
Au contraire as Q would say! The Ori will make very short work of the Borg. The Borg are very adaptable but Can they seriously beat energy beings? That's what the Ori are!
@@Tonydjjokerit the Ori themselves are ascended beings…. Who can’t directly interact with this universe because the ancients would intervene against them. The Ori gain their power from the worship of their followers. The Ori themselves cannot intervene and the Borg can wipe out their followers.
@@Matt-yg8ub The Ori do interact, the ancients don't. It was a flaw in the show that they never did in their galaxy. It was said that in our galaxy they didn't due to the "rules" but they would "in reality" I beleive.
@@Crantock-l1v for obvious reasons you can’t have Q picking sides in a starship fight
@@Matt-yg8ub The Q were technology based, the Ori were something else. I agree though, having Q involved does...or used to make thinghs awkward, now the Q seem afraid of the Borg for some bizarre reason.
The Ori vs the Husnock warship?
Imagine how much trouble we'd be in if the Borg assimilated in ori ship
Question is would they be able to operate it (atleast at 1st), as it needs a prior to run it and its doubtful they could assimilate one of those without a power dampening device. The Ori kindof cheat with their tech, massively advanced but doesn't actually play by the rules of the physical universe entirely.
It's never explained if the ship could be "hacked" to run without a Prior, all we know is SG1 couldn't do it in the few hours they had to try.
Species 8472 vs B5 Shadows fighter or Destroyer ship ?
the not so well known shadow recon crab? or the much bigger shadow battleship, the shadow battle crab?
Unfortunately, this is not how the Borg would have reacted to this encounter. They would have first beamed drones on to the Ori ship, obtained their knowledge and technology, and then the cube would have waited for the first attack. As in the Enterprise D first encounter after two shots from phasers and torpedo's the Borg would have adapted, and the Ori's weapons would have been rendered useless. Unless the Ori fled the Borg would have attacked till the Ori's shields were drained and either assimilated the Ori or used the Borg cutting beam to obtain the tech that they wanted.
No chance. The Ori would destroy them. The Borg are dealing with Gods here.
@@Tonydjjokerit no, the Borg are dealing with a piece of technology that was built by peasants with crude tools….. that is being operated by a genetically modified organic being whose modifications can be neutralized by a sub sonic speaker system akin to a hyped up Alexa.
Stargate is a series populated by a bunch of aliens with technology masquerading as magic
It's too bad you can't do ( at least yet) Borg vs Dr Who Cybermen ships.
oh come on the cyberships wouldnt even last 5 seconds the borg would be collectively laughing im a whovian and i know the cybermen are no threat to the borg. in terms of enemies the cybermen are actually one of the weaker enemies the doctor has faced.
Man, I dont know how this would go.
On paper it's a highly adaptive intuitive group vs a very ridged group with a massive technological lead. The question is can the ori win before the borg adapt.
However based on each parties onscreen portrayal, this isn't a race to win, this is a race to failure. 🤔
The ori wont recognise the threat, will refuse to press the advantage and persue a strategy that all but encourages the borg to adapt, meanwhile the borg will ignore their owns strengths and sacrifice as many resources as possible in an attempt to slow the ori advance, then once the imediate threat has passed, proceed to ignor the ori and do nothing to counter them 🤔
How are their weapons still viable threats after a few shots? Have the Borg lost the ability to adapt?
The Borg were powerless against Species 8472 and you expect them to take on an Ori ship...??
The Ori beam weapon would slice straight through a Borg cube in seconds.
Even without voyager, the Borg were adapting to 8472. With voyager all the doctor did was reprogram the Borg nanoprobes to mimic 8472’s bio signature so that its antibodies didn’t target the nanoprobes.
Ori warships are kinda like toilet bowls.
NX01 Vs Vulcan Ring-ship/T'plana hath
They sheilding would adaptive and regeneration
First of all Borg would adapt their shields to stop the attack and fazers to be best at penetrating enemy shields. Secondly they would not spin like that. This would be counterproductive. Thirdly as it was hown when after returning from the Hive Picard was telling the fleet where to actually strike. Everyone thought those sections of the Borg Cube were irrelevasnt but Picard knew those were actially vital areas and it allowed destro the Borg Cube. Base on that i think that Ori would have a slim if any chance of winning. Dough i have no idea would Borg be capable of asimilating the Ori.
I would like to see the Borg face off with a Vorlon planet killer (B5).
The Borg wouldn't stand a chance. Since the Vorlon ships are biological as are species 8472, The Borg cannot detect them so the Planet Killer will obliterate them in seconds!
It wasn't always well represented in the show but the Vorlons and Shadows were supposed to be far, far beyond humanity. Literally billions of years old with the tech to match.
@@Tonydjjokerit it wasn't that Species 8472's tech was biological that made it an issue for the Borg (they'd assimilated biology based tech before), it was that it was so massively foriegn to them and aggressive in its own defense making it hard to analyse, likely given time they'd have adapted to it in the same way Voyager did, they just hadn't gotten around to trying that approach yet (which made sense as dispite them having access to all the same knowledge Voyager had access to, they had a different goal, assimilation rather than annihilation).
So in this case while the cube likely would be destroyed fairly rapidly, the planet killer would have been boarded by dozens if not hundreds of drones by that point, all of which would be trying to assimilate it and might eventually manage to. A lack of shield tech is a major downfall when fighting the Borg, their 1st action is always a boarding action when encountering something new.
Oh and for reference sake, its not that the Borg couldn't adapt to the weapons of species 8472, they likely could (or already had), they simply couldn't repel firepower at that level, the power difference was just too large, or as Akbar would put it "we can't repel firepower of that magnitude". The 8472 boarding actions they couldn't stop because well, it'd be like wearing a bullet proof vest and expecting it to stop an elephant running you over.
@@cgi2002 Same with the Vorlons and Shadows! The Vorlons would be impossible to board being a creature rather than a machine. Also the Vorlons can be very aggressive as well as the Shadows and species 8472.
@@Tonydjjokerit been a creature doesn't make it impossible to board, just more difficult. If it has empty internal spaces, it can be boarded, and well, shadow vessels do.
Their individuals would both be challenging to assimilate, but not impossible, and definatly easier than 8472, as neither tends to view bulkheads as a minor inconvience when walking from A to B wereas they do.
Not saying the borg could beat them, just saying its not black and white, we only ever see the surface of what the Borg are capable of. Remember they only ever send a single ship here and there, but their fleet numbers in the litteral millions, their species in the trillions. I hold to a theory that the borg never do full on attacks for a reason, they want people to resist, to adapt, to improve, as it makes them more worthy of been assimilated, they only ever overrun a species when it finally reaches the end of its ability to adapt. Resistance is not futile, its the entire point, resist and keep resisting until you can't anymore, only then will they destroy you.
Any chance of moving your logo so we can see the sensor readout
Thanks for the feedback! All future videos will no longer have the sensor array obscured :-) 🖖
So is this ori ship strong enough to take on some future federation ships?
The ori's beam weapon is acting like phasers here.. they normally -in the series- have a longer duration and power level it seems... Crossovers in SciFi do speak to imagination but may be hard to justify sometimes
I don't know about the games, but in the Star Trek cinematic universe the Ori would have won the first fight or two but then the Borg would have adapted to their attacks and slaughtered them. Humans were able to hold off the Borg due to their unique ability to adapt and come up with new solutions. The Ori were anything but flexible.
Hell, even the Q were afraid of the Borg.
The Federation survived the Borg only because the Borg weren’t interested in conquering the Federation outright.
The Borg have no ego, they have no need for conquest ….. Their only directive is to seek out biological and technological distinctiveness. Humans weren’t particularly biologically distinctive, they weren’t particularly good for much as far as the collective was concerned….. but the federation was a large repository of technology from a wide variety of sources, all being being used together.
Rather than go conquer the federation and take their tech, the Borg assimilated one of their ships took all their tech and then poked them occasionally, so they would make more tech for the board to come back and assimilate.
Didn’t the biology in the Federation, so they were basically just farming them for technological upgrades overtime
I think the Borg would be able to adapt to the ship weaponry, given suitable time. The real question would be if they could adapt to the Priors, or to Adria.
SG-1 Replicators vs Borg?
I'm curious if someone can make a mod that gives the Borg adaptive protocols of some kind. Maybe something like each weapon impact receives 1% less damage from that weapon type. E.g. 10 photon torpedo impacts gives the borg 10% less damage (or else more resistance) to photon torpedoes and so on
I would like to see The Borg Queen 🆚 The Terminater
Two Requests:
(Spectre) ISS Voyager vs CSS World Razor
Ori Warship vs Shadow Battlecrab
@@USSDef1ant shadows would destroy a ori ship in seconds.
@@darkmatter1152 I'm not so sure. It doesn't defeat federation ships that fast. Sovereign can hold out for a little bit before succumbing, I'd imagine the Oddy or Inquiry would last longer due to being newer and more powerful, however the Ori are much more powerful than a lot of other races in Sci Fi. Highly effective shields, the firepower of the main weapon itself can cause a lot of damage alone, and like both ships, forward heavy, although the Ori ship having secondary weapons dotted around. I think it might be an interesting fight.
Oh the borg would be wetting their pants to assimilate some high level psyonic warriors with a direct telekinetic link to a whole race of extragalactic "Q" - the Ori are on the level of the Q continuum, I'd say. I think the Borg would have adapted to the beam weapon quickly, but who knows if the Ori in the Pegasus galaxy couldn't adapt the weapon supernaturally faster than they could adapt. Perfect enemies, IMO.
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When the Asgard failed to scratch the Ori ships you knew there was a problem.
The Borg ultimately would win almost any scenario because of their adaptation and numbers. As Q said. Damage them and the essence of what they are remains. They always return with upgrades and greater numbers.
Did you ever do a Borg invasion of Deep Space Nine?
How about the Voth city ship vs a Borg fleet?
Iv a battle idea a fleet of Borg Simatars Vs a fleet of Borg Galaxy classes 😋...I would love to see the carnage from thst lol 😆....great as all ways RB 👏 😊
Cool! That sounds epic! Added to the list buddy 🖖
@@RetroBadgerGaming Thank you 😊 🖖
instead of a tractor beam does ANY borg ship have the hold beam like star trek armada? =O
Not that I'm aware of.. 🖖
It's a no contests the Borg are physical beings dependent upon physical constraints, the Ori are malevolent being in a different state of existence...
The Ori followers have significant advantages that would utterly obliterate a Borg cube. We've seen the Ori destroy planets so a cube is irrelevant. Even 2 to 1 the Borg are irrelevant to Ori ships... In the first conflict Asgard ships with Goa’uld ships and the latest human ship failed against 3 Ori ships without taking damage... Need I say more...
Can you please do a video on how to set up your bridge commander install to get easy ship adding and full screen?? Thanks step by step I beg of you!! Lol
have you ever done a match up on other franchises with star trek like babylon 5, battlestar galactica both old and new and maybe star wars those are big names i can think of but there are others mostly in the gaming world that would be interesting to see.
5:43 Some Ferengi D'Kora doing some scavenging for profits ? 😆
Only the ferengi would be so bold! - princess leia after being stuck in the star trek universe.
I don't think the Borg could adapt to the Ori. The Ori are probably a million years ahead of anything the Borg assimilated. And assuming that the Ori existed in this universe and not the ship somehow beam in from another universe, the Ori probably would make sure the beam isn't adaptable by the Borg.
in proper lore, the Ori would utterly dominate over the Borg, almost guaranteed to oneshot the borg, if they line up, the penetrating shot would take out the cube behind it as well, the Ori is essentially Startrek's version of a evil Q continium who have no reservations over interfering and posing as gods, who get more powerful as people worship them, the tech they grant their followers is on a level that nothing in Startrek even remotely comes close to.
Ah, the borg would have adapted to the beam weapon..
Have the Borg cube go into warp, and then drop the cube out of warp, inside the Ori bridge.
on how brief was the battle at the supergate 4v29 ships I think a borg cube will be toast after 5 shots from the ori mothership
The first one maybe but the next one would take 8 shots and the one after that would take 15 and the one after that would be 45….. see where this is going?
What we learned from this video is that the Borg tractor beams would be an effective weapon to hold the OI mothership in place. It’s got a giant beam canon on the front of it and if the Borg just grab it at tractor beam and stand behind the OI ship it’s got no shot and they have all damn day to use their energy dampers to defeat shields and assimilate its crew.
@@Matt-yg8ub you have to take into account that ori weapons are based on a prior and fueled by faith no further than spiceies 8472
@@alexutzusrl100 well we’re trying to keep magic out of the equation here :-) if we start playing with space magic, we might as well pit The Ori ship against Q and see what happens.
The weapon requires a prior to fire… just like drones require someone with the gene, but it runs on science just like the rest of the ship
What star date is it for this ship?
lol the Ori would one shot them "IRL".
Could the Ori be assimilated?
This sim was not accurate, bacause - 1st : The ORI beam not have the capability to fire with that rating (speed I mean) much more longer needed to be recharged! 2nd : the tactical cube have much more firepower than was used in this sim 3rd: the slicer beam and the assimilator beams was not used too + the tractor ones (wich include shield power draining wich could be almost deadly for the ORI ship because its not have a shield remodultion capability!)
The Ori know how to trap things in alternate dimensions
I miss the Hous-Nock!
Wouldn't the Borg just transport on board..
I wanna see the Normandy from Mass Effect against something
I felt like Stargate suffered from the Ori in a similar fashion to how Babylon 5 suffered from the Drahk. Both were super powered enemies brought in to up the ante after the main series baddies had been vanquished. It’s a lazy writing tool, but Stargate at least fleshed the Ori out more, whilst the Drakh were 2D and in ships that seemed like the worst animated and designed.
Anyway, I feel like these are both “bolt on” baddies that aren’t really worth considering. Contrived new baddies, contrived that previously super powered goodies are now weak and useless … just a contrived writing tool to create faux drama.
borg adaptation is allowed because trek tech is trying to be clever with energy types.
universes where the beams are mass being obliterated and sent at relativistic speed anrent being clever with energy types. and so arent going to let the borg adapt due to the tyson principle of high kinetic mass interaction:
"Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth."
Why not ram one of the cubes into the Ori ship and self-destruct the cube on top of the Ori Ship.
Hallowed are the Ori!
The Borg wouldn't need to beat the Ori ships, the Borg would just assimilate the Ori solders. Game over.
OMFG this is such PLOT ARMOR you wanted to The Ori to win....All the Borg would need to do is alter their shield geometry and frequencies as well as their weapon(s) array and to lock on to the Ori ship with their tractor beam and while in that beam drones onboard the Ori ship....JFC it is not that hard...