F.A.Q. • Did you count (insert unofficial appearance of Spider-Man)?: No, this is only official Marvel works. • Why didn't you didn't count (insert video game, show, comic, ect. that was already out when the video was made)?: They are 99.9% likely to be in the count. Just because something wasn't featured, that does not mean it was not counted. • Isn't Silk The Bride and not The Queen?: A recent comic revealed that was a mis-translation of the ancient texts. • Isn't it Kazuki Takahashi and not Kazuki Takashigi?: Yes, that's my bad. It's written correctly in the script, but it looks like I misspoke and didn't catch that in the edit. R.I.P.
Out of curiosity, would the new Yorkers that became spider people during the Spider Island event count? The jackal made them like the clones and some even wore spider symbols. Even temporary spider-men (like superior spiderman) were counted.
Good thing this is here, or else certain people might loudly and annoyingly comment about these. It’s me: I’m certain people. I’m sorry, YuGiOh is just really important to me.
Hi ComicDrake, Amazing work. But can you make a list of every Spider Person in the Marvel Multiversein in one PDF for reference for everyone to check? Pretty please.
Fun Fact, the word “Schneider” is German for “Tailor”, which is a person that makes and fits clothing. My guess is that since Silk is sometimes a fabric used in clothing and spiders make their own unrelated silk, the creator decided to name Schneider-Man like that.
My guess is it's just because giving superheroes extremely mundane codenames is a common tactic for gag characters and Schneider is a normal human name that sounds close enough for the joke to land.
i think its not that deep and just because its a funny name. schneider sounds like spider. he literally says in his text bubble he comes from “the mahvel universe” its just funny sounding
My personal favourite is the Turkish Spider-Man, who technically isn’t in any official spiderman media but a Turkish Spider-Man lookalike was in one of the spiderverse comics about Miles. Turkish Spider-Man is from 3 Dev Adam, a 1970s Turkish bootleg film where Turkish Spider-Man is just an insane dude who does stuff like using a boat to cut someone’s head off or have a gerbil eat their eyes out. Mexican wrestler El Santo and Captain America attempt to defeat him but end up just killing his endless clones and/or goons dressed up as him (the writers left it vague. Truely ahead of their time) where they kill the lookalikes then Turkish Spider-Man appears around a corner again and again for some reason instead of just leaving while he has the chance before he eventually dies for real
For unknown universes us fans could potentially provide unused numbers or “[universe number]-[letter]” similar to Peter B Parker This would be useful for Spider People who are “they were a random background character” with nothing making them distinct from their “prime” or “more well known” variant
I always love the “Shit did we forget about (insert important character here)? I think we did. (Brief tangent)” bit, so throwing Silk in there for the sake of thoroughness is top notch.
17:00 seeing Ben just pointing a freaking gun at Peter is one one of the funniest things out of context and i refuse to get context because this shit's too funny to ruin.
The Spider-Verse movies introduced the concept of "b" universes that are labeled as one we're already familiar with, but clearly not the same. The terminal for the collider in the first movie clearly labels their current universe as "1610," but that obviously can't be right, so we're calling it 1610b. There's no reason to think every background character is a b variant though if they can be explained through time dilation between universes or just the "forgot to mention it" effect that comic crossovers have been using for years. Do you have written documentation of all your work? I'd love to take a look at it
Yes... It's very much possible that the insomniac spiderman in ATSV is not a b universe variant and maybe the real guy who might get recruited by miguel in the future of his timeline... And we just haven't seen it yet.
@@itsjustaadru9304 Seems like you can apply this logic of they're from the future of their timeline to many other characters. For simplicity's sake and the lack of direct evidence of this at the moment I can see why these guys wouldn't go down that rabbit hole.
@@funvince nah I said this in case of Insomniac because we see him interacting with the multiverse stuff.... So it's most plausible he will get recruited by miguel soon in his timeline.
@@itsjustaadru9304 Insomniac Peter has had direct, canonical interactions with the multiverse through the Spider-Geddon event which is a part of a different multiverse than the Spider-Verse movies. So the Peter in the Insomniac games is not the same one as the Insomniac Spidey seen in ASTV.
Heres a non complicated idea. All the spiderpeople there are the B variant. We call it earth 1610b to differentiate it from the comic books. Why would they try and make everything more complicated with adding in "B" and "A" versions of universes instead of just making new ones.
Hope you counted Insomniac Silk, who literally came into existence less than two weeks ago. We've only seen the back of her head and she's had zero lines, but she's there.
Meanwhile I'm just wondering what else happened in Spectacular Spider-Man's life that made him decide to join the Spider Society. Still great to see him back after a 14-year absence
I think it's really cool how Across The Spiderverse features so many unique Spider variants that it warranted its own category. God help us once Beyond The Spiderverse comes out 😅
Also related to the "Miles Anomaly" and "Silk will be important in the next one" given has Silk got her powers in the comics there is something to connect there with her, Peter and Miles, since it's the same spider giving powers to two characters
22:54 btw, if someone can double check this that would be great, but im like half sure that in the Mexican comics, the artists wanted to see if they could get away with giving Gwen a bigger ass as the series was ongoing, to see how much attention Marvel was doing and by the end there was quite a notable difference.
SpiderMan is my favorite superhero, and I love the Spiderverse concept and movies, but it can be a bit much sometimes. At least there are still universes that don't have Paul.
I will admit, my probably weirdest take is that I really like Spider-man clones in concept. It probably comes from being a twin but while I find the clone conflict stories grating, the idea of two people just getting on with their life and figuring out their own ways to exist while the other one is there are pretty resonant. It annoys me that writers tend to narrow this down in many cases to just bickering over whose 'real' or killing one or the other off (a problem writers also have when writing twins incidentally). One of those things I've always wanted to do with fanfiction is take one of the kid or teenage Spider-heroes (Penelope Parker, Peni, Mayday, the Spider-Man from those comics aimed at younger readers etc) and run the clone saga, then just have the Scarlet Spider around in the same way that Miles Morales has just sort of slotted into the wider Spider-man story, explore those uncertainities and conflicts that actually arise from having a very close sibling/copy (stuff like 'Am I still allowed to do stuff with my friends or are those HIS friends?' 'If they're good at x then I should be good at y'). I think you could divide up Peter's massive skillset quite nicely to make two characters that are similar, related but without being redundant quite effectively. Also Riley is already a perfectly useable girls name and Elliot is right there courtesy of Otto Octavius, so there's room to be imaginative with the naming in ways that don't lead to theme naming...
I love that I live in a day and and age where this is a topic that can be taken seriously enough for groups of people, multiple authors and artists, and numerous companies and businesses could spend 3 months trying to figure out just how many variations of what is essentially the same fictional character exist.
12:39 OK I kind of want to see what this version of Gwen is about. Was her police chief father gun down in an alleyway so she decided to take up the mantle of a spider after it crawled on her window while she was trying to think of what costume to fight crime with?
As a longtime viewer from the Netherlands, you are forgiven for your pronunciation, we do have a weird language, also thank you letting me know there is actually a donald duck spider-man who originates from a dutch comic, it's insane how deep your research went
There probably is a Miles Morales in the Spider Society though as the Insomniac Spider-Man is explicitly shown when they’re showing “video game guys” and is specifically shown in his updated Spider-Man 2 outfit, which means Miles HAS to exist and I doubt his Peter didn’t tell him about this. I think when Miguel refers to Miles as the “original anomaly”, he just means THAT Miles specifically and not any Miles in general, that’s silly
Exactly. I think the film isn't making it explicit because of the Themes of a black kid being told he isn't supposed to be Spiderman, but the existence of Insomniac Spiderman means the Spiderverse-MCU multiverse contains at least one other Miles. Spiderverse Miles is just unquie because he's the only one who has been bitten by a spider not of his dimension
Do they? Drake Bell's Ultimate Spider-Man has his own spiderverse which is confusing, most people forgot about the 2017 series, and who knows where Spidey and his Amazing Friends fit in the Canon
@@CaptainCat101it’s still part of the spiderverse drake bell’s Peter appeared in the comics in a spiderverse crossover It’s called the multiverse for a reason dudr
Spectacular deserves more attention. USM was like an ok show, bordering on not that good, but it gets a lot of praise from people who are nostalgic for it, so it's definitely not lacking for attention. The 2017 show is just a miserable slog, it doesn't deserve more attention by any metric
As someone who has just tried to create a list of comics that include Spider-folk and has taken months out of my life, this feat is incredible! Well done!
Even if considering the Fortnite skins to be their original selves didn't cause a whole host of issues, you could still get away with counting them as separate copies because of how Fortnite's universe inherently works. Everyone who sets foot in The Loop (literal time loop, it's why the fighting on the island is practically endless.) leaves behind a "snapshot" of themselves when they leave. The universe literally clones you so it can keep a copy of you forever. (The Loop also gives everyone amnesia and takes away your ability to communicate verbally as long as you're in it too, for what that's worth.)
Quick note! The Fortnite comic tie in Batman zero point event said that their memories of the outside world are suppressed during their time on the island, and if I remember correctly there memories on the island are deleted unless they win. Also every time they do win, a clone of them remain on the island to protect the zero point, explaining why there are multiple of the same skins during certain matches as well as different variants of them as some of the clones “fracture” during this process
Let me make this clear, I only know this because Comic Pop covered the Batman tie-in comic, but: the Fortnite versions of characters ARE canonically themselves, they just get put back after they've been in a few games and escaped. Even Batman participates and uses guns, because there are just so many resets that after a while he just accepts it; and because nobody actually 'dies' this doesn't violate his no-killing rule either way.
The Fortnite Spiders should fall under the “clones” category imo, since the playable versions in-game are considered snapshots which are memory-wiped, mute recreations of characters that are created after they escape the island. Spider-Man Zero is just 616 Peter, though
The Spidermen and Spiderwomen I know from the Spider-Verse are: Tobey/Sam Raimi, Andrew Garfield, MCU/Tom Holland, Ultimate Spider-Man(Disney XD), Marvel's Spider-Man(Also Disney XD), Insomniac Spiderman and Miles Morales(Insomniac), Spider Gwen, Anya(Spidergirl), Mayday, Jessica Drew(Ultimate comics), Spectacular, Superior, Spinneret, Symbiote Spiderman, Agent Venom, Anti Agent Venom, Ben Riley, and last but certain not least Japanese Spiderman.
I’m genuinely so proud of you guys. This amount of passion and dedication is truly admirable. Well-done. You’ve accomplished something few ever will.❤️
@@chrisishere8673 *Around* 231-ish give or take. There are a handful of non-canon characters thrown into that number which makes things a little awkward, but that's at least how many I have currently on my list
It's really simple: look for all the Black Lego Minifigures. They weren't introduced until Lego used more diverse skins, and they've made Lego figures of pretty much every Star Wars character at this point
Great list. Can't imagine how many times you had to watch across the spiderverse. I noticed you used the clip but didn't mention Max Borne the 6 armed, time travelling Spider-Man of 2211. Everyone forgets to mention 2211 :-( My favourite has always been Miguel as its what got me into comics. But I'll always ha e a soft spot for the forgotten 2211.
Wow, this must have taken so long to research, great work as always! (Kind of makes me nervous for me finally taking a stab at trying to see how many Yugioh timelines there are, now I think about it) So, I'm guessing that Ultimate Jessica Drew (one of my personal favorite Spider-folk) was only counted once since she's both a clone and a Jessica Drew? Speaking of, with the clone exception, would clones who became their own person (as opposed to dying soon after, for example) get removed in that count? Also, just curious- does Spider-Boy from Amalgam count (since he's technically not from the Marvel universe, but is kind of a Spider-man)?
It's crazy to think about the amount of effort put into this video! Great job! BTW, as a Fortnite fan and a Marvel fan, I wanted to note something quick. It's gonna sound confusing but bear with me. Basically, the marvel skins in game are the ones from the comics and movies, but the way Fortntie's story works is that these characters likely come to the game for a bit and then leave. The reason why you can stilll play as their skins is because whenever someone leaves Fortntie's Battle Royale loop (I won't go into the whole thing surrounding the loop here) they leave behind a clone named a snapshot. The cycle repeats every time a snapshot leaves the loop and so on so forth. The original version of a character can go back to their universe, and end up leaving thousands of clones behind. Just wanted to mention that. 👍
I never understood all the Clone hate. Ben Reilly and Kane Parker are literally the reason why I got into Comics I think they are super interesting characters. just the idea that Peter Parker accidentally has two brothers is really interesting to me that being said I liked it best when kain Parker is the darker one more of an anti-hero and Ben Reilly is just as Noble as Peter if not possibly more so
I'd like to bring up that there's an earth known as Earth-7642 which is a world where Marvel and DC characters along with other series like Transformers, co-exist. I would be so down for Turkish Spider-Man to become official. Imagine a team-up between him and Wolf-Spider from Ultimate Spider-Man. Heck, I'd be down for an animated reimagining of the Toei Spider-Man that took in elements of the comics. Like imagine if we got to see Venom fight Leopardon Also while obviously TAS!Spidey and Insomniac Miles are characters that definitely need to appear in Beyond the Spider-Verse, I genuinely want to see the variants of Peter, Miles, and Gwen from Spidey and his Amazing Freinds along with Spider-Man 2017. The latter especially because that show had Miles' dad, Jefferson become Swarm. It'd be funny to see how Miles, Prowler Miles, and especially Insomniac Miles would react to learning about Jefferson as Swarm from 2017! Miles.
Silk: "A great character when Dan Slott's NOT writing her". I mean... You're not WRONG, but holy shit, the roast on Dan Slott wasn't something I was expecting!
Honestly, I have to wonder whether or not insomniac Spider-Man really is part of the spider verse or the one scene in the film is just a variant of him. I’m one hand I think would be really cool if that is actually insomniac Spider-Man… But then it feels really weird that he would be so cool with letting Miles‘s dad die seeing how guilty he felt about failing to save him in his universe. I understand him initially agreeing with Miguel since the events of his solo game do actually line up with Miguel’s theory that sometimes people have to die for the greater good, but the moment he’s willing to let Jeff Davis die means that he probably would never be able to look his miles in the eyes again
In regard to the Fortnite variants, they ARE the original variants, however the playable skins are copies left over after the original variants escaped. Of course, exceptions have to be made for the movie skins but the comic one is (so spider-man (comic) and spider-man zero are just the main comic spidey)
25:03 Well if Duck Dodgers got to be Green Loontern due to a laundry mixup with Hal Jordan in his TV show (not even making this up) (he also made a cameo appearance in Lego Batman: Beyond Gotham) and Bugs became Batman (with LeBron as Robin) while Lola became an Amazon warrior in Space Jam 2 then why not?
With the existential question on if clones are their own people, the comics has a plotline focused around Ben Reilly has his own soul separate to Peter and the other clones.... but also that the soul is the same across all the hundreds of times he gets killed and recloned and is actually the single entity in all of the universe who has died the most in all of time.
I feel like just the video game Spiders probably brought up a whole slew of questions. Are the comic and game versions of Insomniac Spider-Man the same person? Do we count the movie tie in games as separate universes? Is Marvel Super Heroes in the same continuity as Marvel vs Capcom? Do the Lego games and animated movies count as the same universe? There's so much here to dive into. I respect the dedication this must have taken.
Is there a list or spreadsheet you could share for this? I genuinely would love to use my text to speech and hear every individual one and then research ones that sound odd (though y'all did a great job on this video and list)
I kinda knew that you were a dedicated comic fan, but HOLY SHIT Drake!! I give you MAD props for taking the time out from your life and doing the insane research to come up with this video! And I thought that I was a huge comic nerd. I bow to your superior comic genius!
I think the fortnite paradox works since these characters come back the same time they left I’m pretty sure, and the island clones them after they leave which explains why they’re still there after they canonically leave.
The amount of research that went into this is mind boggling. You guys deserve some kind oof comic-nerd gold medal! Any "inaccuracy" shouldn't even matter at this point that being said... how did you pronounce Kazuki Takahashi as Takashiki?
I think you can cut out the fortnite characters, since apparantly the lore works like this: -Character ends up in the island -Leaves -Body is copied into a blank double that works like any other fortnite character, and goes into the 'loop' forever (I guess?) So it would be like, a copy of spiderman running around the universe, but theyre mute and stuck in the battle royale loop???
There are a bunch of alternate Earths in the Marvel multiverse. It's not something most people realize, but there were at least 161 alternate universes each with its own Earth. One of the cooler things about the Secret Wars event is you get to see heroes from many alternate Earths gathered together on Battleworld. Reasons why i said this: Every world has a spiderman
That's insane! Wasn't sure if you consider the video game version of Tobey and Andrew's Spider-Men? (This includes different ports of those games as well) I know Andrew's video game counterpart is a separate universe but are Tobey's separate as well or is there a way that the video games can still be somewhat canon to the main Raimi films? (Scenes from the movie playout differently in the games but I guess that wouldn't mean that stuff we only see in the games didn't happen off-screen in the films as well.)
The Spider-verse movies using the same universe designations as the comics for Miguel, Miles, Gwen, and Peter seems to indicate that those movies take place in a completely separate multiverse... but that brings up even more problems. Take Insomniac Spider-Man. He appeared in the Spider-Geddon comic event _and_ Across the Spider-verse. If those movies take place in a separate multiverse, that means there's two Insomniac universes, one in the comics multiverse and one in the movie multiverse, but the games we see (thanks to the second game) are clearly in the movie multiverse. This also means that the live-action movies (the Raimi movies, Webb movies, Venom movies, and the _entire MCU_) take place in the Spider-verse movie multiverse and not the comics multiverse, which is supported by those universes being unaffected by Secret Wars 2015, but also there are clearly a crap ton of _other_ universes that were unaffected by that event and I'm sure there are some other contradictions out there to indicate that the movies are in the comics multiverse. So basically, I think the Spider-verse movies broke the entire Marvel canon.
If you watch the movie again, Spider-People that appear in the comics are labeled either "Earth-616A" and "Earth-1610A" in order to differentiate their respective realities from the movie versions, which we can assume is "Earth-616B" and "Earth-1610B". As for the MCU, the fandom and the wiki don't consider the MCU as Earth-616 but rather Earth-199999, no matter what the characters say in the movies. Even Across the Spider-Verse took a shot at them by calling them 199999.
@@federalexpressman9762 To my knowledge, the MCU never said it was 616. Mysterio said that, but he turned out to be lying about literally everything. And I know for a fact that in the first Spider-verse movie, it explicitly used Earth-1610, Earth-616, and Earth-65, and this video has clips from the second movie in it that do not show the As and Bs you claim are there.
@@Bobb11881 Christine Palmer of Earth-838 designated the MCU as Earth-616 in Multiverse of Madness, which I assume you have not seen. Although Mysterio was only lying in Far From Home and we can assume based on that fact that the use of 616 in Far From Home is nothing more than just an easter egg, the Christine Palmer of Earth-838 designated the MCU as Earth-616, which made it clear that they wanted the MCU to be labeled as such because that version of Christine Palmer is aware of the multiverse and is doing research on it. Not only that, in the Loki series, the "Sacred Timeline" is labeled as E-616 in a blink and you'll miss it easter egg.
This has nothing to do with the video, but any time Donald Duck is mentioned in relation to superheroes I can't help but wish the italian Duck Avenger comics were more widely known
I think Insomniac Spider-Man is the same one in Spider-Verse. I understand some like Miguel need to be their own character for continuity reasons, but the Insomniac Spider-Man 2 side missions (spoiler alert) literally tie directly into the spider-verse films.
Every Spider Ham version/Spider Ham like character •SpiderHam (Normal)Earth8311 •Movie spider ham •Spider ham 2099 •Scarlet spider ham •Ben Reilly spider ham •mayday porker/ swider girl ( Earth 94024) •miles morhamles (Ultimate Spider Ham universe) •Ultimate spider ham (dead) •Civil war spider ham (Earth 7231) •Zombie ham (might be the same as civil war spider ham) •spider ham of earth 94024 (Mayday porker’s dad) •Spider ham of earth 8 •All of earth 8 spider ham’s kids •Spider duck ( Spider ham that got changed into a duck during secret wars ) •Spider ham that was transformed into a human •Gwen’s hallucination of Spider ham •Fortnite spider ham •Contest of champions spider ham •Ultimate Spider Man (show) Spider Ham •Spider Man that got turned into a pig (in video) *Bonus* Spider Ham as a cartoon character in the original Mayday Parker universe (Earth 982)
F.A.Q.
• Did you count (insert unofficial appearance of Spider-Man)?: No, this is only official Marvel works.
• Why didn't you didn't count (insert video game, show, comic, ect. that was already out when the video was made)?: They are 99.9% likely to be in the count. Just because something wasn't featured, that does not mean it was not counted.
• Isn't Silk The Bride and not The Queen?: A recent comic revealed that was a mis-translation of the ancient texts.
• Isn't it Kazuki Takahashi and not Kazuki Takashigi?: Yes, that's my bad. It's written correctly in the script, but it looks like I misspoke and didn't catch that in the edit. R.I.P.
Out of curiosity, would the new Yorkers that became spider people during the Spider Island event count? The jackal made them like the clones and some even wore spider symbols. Even temporary spider-men (like superior spiderman) were counted.
Good thing this is here, or else certain people might loudly and annoyingly comment about these.
It’s me: I’m certain people. I’m sorry, YuGiOh is just really important to me.
Was Lego SpiderMan counted? He was one of Miguel’s best.
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Hi ComicDrake, Amazing work. But can you make a list of every Spider Person in the Marvel Multiversein in one PDF for reference for everyone to check? Pretty please.
"I'm you and you are me and this is a gun" may be peak dialogue writing
I was looking for this comment
That line lives in my brain all the time, it's so good.
Fun Fact, the word “Schneider” is German for “Tailor”, which is a person that makes and fits clothing. My guess is that since Silk is sometimes a fabric used in clothing and spiders make their own unrelated silk, the creator decided to name Schneider-Man like that.
Oh I thought it was just supposed to be a universe in which Rob Schneider became spiderman
i think ur right, that was my first thought especially bc the little mutant kid is there@@Wedge_Khan
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My guess is it's just because giving superheroes extremely mundane codenames is a common tactic for gag characters and Schneider is a normal human name that sounds close enough for the joke to land.
i think its not that deep and just because its a funny name. schneider sounds like spider. he literally says in his text bubble he comes from “the mahvel universe” its just funny sounding
My personal favourite is the Turkish Spider-Man, who technically isn’t in any official spiderman media but a Turkish Spider-Man lookalike was in one of the spiderverse comics about Miles.
Turkish Spider-Man is from 3 Dev Adam, a 1970s Turkish bootleg film where Turkish Spider-Man is just an insane dude who does stuff like using a boat to cut someone’s head off or have a gerbil eat their eyes out. Mexican wrestler El Santo and Captain America attempt to defeat him but end up just killing his endless clones and/or goons dressed up as him (the writers left it vague. Truely ahead of their time) where they kill the lookalikes then Turkish Spider-Man appears around a corner again and again for some reason instead of just leaving while he has the chance before he eventually dies for real
Yooo my country's spiderman mentioned
I like Penelope Parker because she's adorable
Did you write them all down in a list? It would be cool to see it.
Forget lists. You'd need a spreadsheet for all those variants.
yes, please would love to see all that data in a sheets doc.
For unknown universes us fans could potentially provide unused numbers or “[universe number]-[letter]” similar to Peter B Parker
This would be useful for Spider People who are “they were a random background character” with nothing making them distinct from their “prime” or “more well known” variant
@@typemasters2871 So just Spider-sonas?
@@lord_egg ??? How does assigning official characters unofficial reality numbers have anything to do with spider-sonas?
I always love the “Shit did we forget about (insert important character here)? I think we did. (Brief tangent)” bit, so throwing Silk in there for the sake of thoroughness is top notch.
17:00 seeing Ben just pointing a freaking gun at Peter is one one of the funniest things out of context and i refuse to get context because this shit's too funny to ruin.
The Spider-Verse movies introduced the concept of "b" universes that are labeled as one we're already familiar with, but clearly not the same. The terminal for the collider in the first movie clearly labels their current universe as "1610," but that obviously can't be right, so we're calling it 1610b. There's no reason to think every background character is a b variant though if they can be explained through time dilation between universes or just the "forgot to mention it" effect that comic crossovers have been using for years. Do you have written documentation of all your work? I'd love to take a look at it
Yes... It's very much possible that the insomniac spiderman in ATSV is not a b universe variant and maybe the real guy who might get recruited by miguel in the future of his timeline... And we just haven't seen it yet.
@@itsjustaadru9304 Seems like you can apply this logic of they're from the future of their timeline to many other characters. For simplicity's sake and the lack of direct evidence of this at the moment I can see why these guys wouldn't go down that rabbit hole.
@@funvince nah I said this in case of Insomniac because we see him interacting with the multiverse stuff.... So it's most plausible he will get recruited by miguel soon in his timeline.
@@itsjustaadru9304 Insomniac Peter has had direct, canonical interactions with the multiverse through the Spider-Geddon event which is a part of a different multiverse than the Spider-Verse movies. So the Peter in the Insomniac games is not the same one as the Insomniac Spidey seen in ASTV.
Heres a non complicated idea. All the spiderpeople there are the B variant. We call it earth 1610b to differentiate it from the comic books. Why would they try and make everything more complicated with adding in "B" and "A" versions of universes instead of just making new ones.
Hope you counted Insomniac Silk, who literally came into existence less than two weeks ago. We've only seen the back of her head and she's had zero lines, but she's there.
SHES NOT PART OF THE WEB YET MUAHAHA WE CAN ADD HER IN 5 YEARS
@@Coconut_Prrsonor maybe just around the time beyond is released
we dont even know if she has spider powers yet
Thanks for the spoiler.
@@JogVodkawould be pretty pointless to introduce her if she doesn’t.
Meanwhile I'm just wondering what else happened in Spectacular Spider-Man's life that made him decide to join the Spider Society. Still great to see him back after a 14-year absence
I think it's really cool how Across The Spiderverse features so many unique Spider variants that it warranted its own category. God help us once Beyond The Spiderverse comes out 😅
Bout to pull a Smash Ultimate;
“Everyone is here!”
(dun dun dun dundundun dun dun dundun)
Also related to the "Miles Anomaly" and "Silk will be important in the next one" given has Silk got her powers in the comics there is something to connect there with her, Peter and Miles, since it's the same spider giving powers to two characters
22:54 btw, if someone can double check this that would be great, but im like half sure that in the Mexican comics, the artists wanted to see if they could get away with giving Gwen a bigger ass as the series was ongoing, to see how much attention Marvel was doing and by the end there was quite a notable difference.
This isn't literally the same story behind Powergirl boobs?
I was wondering why she was caked up for no reason.
I love how he just says “And this is a gun” so casually 16:58
SpiderMan is my favorite superhero, and I love the Spiderverse concept and movies, but it can be a bit much sometimes.
At least there are still universes that don't have Paul.
Next up: Paul becomes a canon event...
Can you imagine a Paul for every universe stealing the love interest of every spider woman/man as a canon event? 😂
Hurry up and delete this before the writers get any more ideas 💀
I will admit, my probably weirdest take is that I really like Spider-man clones in concept. It probably comes from being a twin but while I find the clone conflict stories grating, the idea of two people just getting on with their life and figuring out their own ways to exist while the other one is there are pretty resonant. It annoys me that writers tend to narrow this down in many cases to just bickering over whose 'real' or killing one or the other off (a problem writers also have when writing twins incidentally).
One of those things I've always wanted to do with fanfiction is take one of the kid or teenage Spider-heroes (Penelope Parker, Peni, Mayday, the Spider-Man from those comics aimed at younger readers etc) and run the clone saga, then just have the Scarlet Spider around in the same way that Miles Morales has just sort of slotted into the wider Spider-man story, explore those uncertainities and conflicts that actually arise from having a very close sibling/copy (stuff like 'Am I still allowed to do stuff with my friends or are those HIS friends?' 'If they're good at x then I should be good at y'). I think you could divide up Peter's massive skillset quite nicely to make two characters that are similar, related but without being redundant quite effectively.
Also Riley is already a perfectly useable girls name and Elliot is right there courtesy of Otto Octavius, so there's room to be imaginative with the naming in ways that don't lead to theme naming...
I love that I live in a day and and age where this is a topic that can be taken seriously enough for groups of people, multiple authors and artists, and numerous companies and businesses could spend 3 months trying to figure out just how many variations of what is essentially the same fictional character exist.
12:39 OK I kind of want to see what this version of Gwen is about. Was her police chief father gun down in an alleyway so she decided to take up the mantle of a spider after it crawled on her window while she was trying to think of what costume to fight crime with?
"That's right Peter, I'm you, and you're me, and this is a gun.". 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
As a longtime viewer from the Netherlands, you are forgiven for your pronunciation, we do have a weird language, also thank you letting me know there is actually a donald duck spider-man who originates from a dutch comic, it's insane how deep your research went
I have owned that comic for 9 years now, and gotta say, it was "best tof" to finally hear that thing mentioned in a RUclips video.
There probably is a Miles Morales in the Spider Society though as the Insomniac Spider-Man is explicitly shown when they’re showing “video game guys” and is specifically shown in his updated Spider-Man 2 outfit, which means Miles HAS to exist and I doubt his Peter didn’t tell him about this. I think when Miguel refers to Miles as the “original anomaly”, he just means THAT Miles specifically and not any Miles in general, that’s silly
Exactly. I think the film isn't making it explicit because of the Themes of a black kid being told he isn't supposed to be Spiderman, but the existence of Insomniac Spiderman means the Spiderverse-MCU multiverse contains at least one other Miles. Spiderverse Miles is just unquie because he's the only one who has been bitten by a spider not of his dimension
I’m glad you are counting the Disney tv animated stuff they deserve more attention
Do they? Drake Bell's Ultimate Spider-Man has his own spiderverse which is confusing, most people forgot about the 2017 series, and who knows where Spidey and his Amazing Friends fit in the Canon
@@CaptainCat101it’s still part of the spiderverse drake bell’s Peter appeared in the comics in a spiderverse crossover
It’s called the multiverse for a reason dudr
@@CaptainCat101the 2017 series is underrated for a reason
@@CaptainCat101 "most people forget about" yeah, that's why it deserves more attention.
Spectacular deserves more attention. USM was like an ok show, bordering on not that good, but it gets a lot of praise from people who are nostalgic for it, so it's definitely not lacking for attention. The 2017 show is just a miserable slog, it doesn't deserve more attention by any metric
I can assure you that Mouse-Spider is different enough from Peter Parker because he's a Bootleg Lego, despite just being a Spidersona
Spidersona’s would open a whole other can of worms
So... are you gonna give us a document of all the Spider-Men?
12:06 the cat is the best I legit got to mad about this topic and it’s not happening again
As someone who has just tried to create a list of comics that include Spider-folk and has taken months out of my life, this feat is incredible! Well done!
Even if considering the Fortnite skins to be their original selves didn't cause a whole host of issues, you could still get away with counting them as separate copies because of how Fortnite's universe inherently works. Everyone who sets foot in The Loop (literal time loop, it's why the fighting on the island is practically endless.) leaves behind a "snapshot" of themselves when they leave. The universe literally clones you so it can keep a copy of you forever.
(The Loop also gives everyone amnesia and takes away your ability to communicate verbally as long as you're in it too, for what that's worth.)
7:58 actually they would fall under clones
Quick note! The Fortnite comic tie in Batman zero point event said that their memories of the outside world are suppressed during their time on the island, and if I remember correctly there memories on the island are deleted unless they win. Also every time they do win, a clone of them remain on the island to protect the zero point, explaining why there are multiple of the same skins during certain matches as well as different variants of them as some of the clones “fracture” during this process
29:05 they could do a Rick and Morty move like
Miguel o'hara EARTH 928_b
Miles Morales EARTH 1616_g
Ect.
Let me make this clear, I only know this because Comic Pop covered the Batman tie-in comic, but:
the Fortnite versions of characters ARE canonically themselves, they just get put back after they've been in a few games and escaped.
Even Batman participates and uses guns, because there are just so many resets that after a while he just accepts it; and because nobody actually 'dies' this doesn't violate his no-killing rule either way.
I wish yall made a whole behind the scenes documentary about this process that would be a fun watch tbh
Nell ruggles from squadron supreme looks like red she-hulk covered in her own yellow blood
Now count every Bat Person in the DC Multiverse.
The Fortnite Spiders should fall under the “clones” category imo, since the playable versions in-game are considered snapshots which are memory-wiped, mute recreations of characters that are created after they escape the island.
Spider-Man Zero is just 616 Peter, though
I hope he counts "SpideyBog" 🙏
Who?
I'm guessing he's you, a Spidersona
The Spidermen and Spiderwomen I know from the Spider-Verse are:
Tobey/Sam Raimi, Andrew Garfield, MCU/Tom Holland, Ultimate Spider-Man(Disney XD), Marvel's Spider-Man(Also Disney XD), Insomniac Spiderman and Miles Morales(Insomniac), Spider Gwen, Anya(Spidergirl), Mayday, Jessica Drew(Ultimate comics), Spectacular, Superior, Spinneret, Symbiote Spiderman, Agent Venom, Anti Agent Venom, Ben Riley, and last but certain not least Japanese Spiderman.
I’m genuinely so proud of you guys. This amount of passion and dedication is truly admirable. Well-done. You’ve accomplished something few ever will.❤️
If that's the sponsor you landed on, who tf backed out. This is a gem.
I love Spiders-Man so much, you cannot believe how charming the stupid pun concept is to me
16:58 the best line in superhero TV
23:51 I actually do know of this Scarlet Spider from Spider-man unlimited. He was called the Cyber Scarlet Spider
18:05 if Web-Man is supposed to have a Reverse-Flash costume shtick, the black and white has to be swapped too.
I have learnt so much more spider verse lore I never knew I needed to know I want Spider Potnoodle to be canon.
“Im you and you’re me and this is a gun”
Poetry
Oof, as someone who similarly has been trying to dig through Star Wars Lore to find every black Star Wars Character...I know your pain
How many have you found so far?
@@chrisishere8673 *Around* 231-ish give or take. There are a handful of non-canon characters thrown into that number which makes things a little awkward, but that's at least how many I have currently on my list
It's really simple: look for all the Black Lego Minifigures. They weren't introduced until Lego used more diverse skins, and they've made Lego figures of pretty much every Star Wars character at this point
@@CaptainCat101 That's not a bad idea! The hard part is finding all of the Comic Characters lol
@@ChiinFerno true
THIS IS SO AWESOME! You guys killed it.
Great list. Can't imagine how many times you had to watch across the spiderverse.
I noticed you used the clip but didn't mention Max Borne the 6 armed, time travelling Spider-Man of 2211. Everyone forgets to mention 2211 :-(
My favourite has always been Miguel as its what got me into comics. But I'll always ha e a soft spot for the forgotten 2211.
Wow, this must have taken so long to research, great work as always! (Kind of makes me nervous for me finally taking a stab at trying to see how many Yugioh timelines there are, now I think about it)
So, I'm guessing that Ultimate Jessica Drew (one of my personal favorite Spider-folk) was only counted once since she's both a clone and a Jessica Drew? Speaking of, with the clone exception, would clones who became their own person (as opposed to dying soon after, for example) get removed in that count?
Also, just curious- does Spider-Boy from Amalgam count (since he's technically not from the Marvel universe, but is kind of a Spider-man)?
13:20 What issue is that Happy Birthday pic from? Looks like the 80s.
It's crazy to think about the amount of effort put into this video! Great job!
BTW, as a Fortnite fan and a Marvel fan, I wanted to note something quick. It's gonna sound confusing but bear with me. Basically, the marvel skins in game are the ones from the comics and movies, but the way Fortntie's story works is that these characters likely come to the game for a bit and then leave. The reason why you can stilll play as their skins is because whenever someone leaves Fortntie's Battle Royale loop (I won't go into the whole thing surrounding the loop here) they leave behind a clone named a snapshot. The cycle repeats every time a snapshot leaves the loop and so on so forth. The original version of a character can go back to their universe, and end up leaving thousands of clones behind. Just wanted to mention that.
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The collab I didn't know I needed
31:18 bless your souls lol😂😂😂
I never understood all the Clone hate. Ben Reilly and Kane Parker are literally the reason why I got into Comics I think they are super interesting characters. just the idea that Peter Parker accidentally has two brothers is really interesting to me that being said I liked it best when kain Parker is the darker one more of an anti-hero and Ben Reilly is just as Noble as Peter if not possibly more so
I'd like to bring up that there's an earth known as Earth-7642 which is a world where Marvel and DC characters along with other series like Transformers, co-exist.
I would be so down for Turkish Spider-Man to become official. Imagine a team-up between him and Wolf-Spider from Ultimate Spider-Man. Heck, I'd be down for an animated reimagining of the Toei Spider-Man that took in elements of the comics. Like imagine if we got to see Venom fight Leopardon
Also while obviously TAS!Spidey and Insomniac Miles are characters that definitely need to appear in Beyond the Spider-Verse, I genuinely want to see the variants of Peter, Miles, and Gwen from Spidey and his Amazing Freinds along with Spider-Man 2017. The latter especially because that show had Miles' dad, Jefferson become Swarm.
It'd be funny to see how Miles, Prowler Miles, and especially Insomniac Miles would react to learning about Jefferson as Swarm from 2017! Miles.
I believe Turkish Spider-Man, or a spider with a vary similar suit did a appear in Spider-Verse #2.
Silk: "A great character when Dan Slott's NOT writing her".
I mean... You're not WRONG, but holy shit, the roast on Dan Slott wasn't something I was expecting!
Love the on screen chem you and Sir Superhero have! It made this super fun to watch.
I was cracking up at 25:49 LOL
Sir superhero sounds so different on a more professional set. I can still identify that it’s him but he sounds deeper in this. Interesting stuff
Honestly, I have to wonder whether or not insomniac Spider-Man really is part of the spider verse or the one scene in the film is just a variant of him.
I’m one hand I think would be really cool if that is actually insomniac Spider-Man… But then it feels really weird that he would be so cool with letting Miles‘s dad die seeing how guilty he felt about failing to save him in his universe. I understand him initially agreeing with Miguel since the events of his solo game do actually line up with Miguel’s theory that sometimes people have to die for the greater good, but the moment he’s willing to let Jeff Davis die means that he probably would never be able to look his miles in the eyes again
In regard to the Fortnite variants, they ARE the original variants, however the playable skins are copies left over after the original variants escaped. Of course, exceptions have to be made for the movie skins but the comic one is (so spider-man (comic) and spider-man zero are just the main comic spidey)
25:03 Well if Duck Dodgers got to be Green Loontern due to a laundry mixup with Hal Jordan in his TV show (not even making this up) (he also made a cameo appearance in Lego Batman: Beyond Gotham) and Bugs became Batman (with LeBron as Robin) while Lola became an Amazon warrior in Space Jam 2 then why not?
21:18 Huh V's ability to connect to the internet to fight digital crimes is sort of like Spider-Byte being a digital avatar.
With the existential question on if clones are their own people, the comics has a plotline focused around Ben Reilly has his own soul separate to Peter and the other clones.... but also that the soul is the same across all the hundreds of times he gets killed and recloned and is actually the single entity in all of the universe who has died the most in all of time.
I feel like just the video game Spiders probably brought up a whole slew of questions. Are the comic and game versions of Insomniac Spider-Man the same person? Do we count the movie tie in games as separate universes? Is Marvel Super Heroes in the same continuity as Marvel vs Capcom? Do the Lego games and animated movies count as the same universe? There's so much here to dive into. I respect the dedication this must have taken.
You are honestly a gem, Drake.
Is there a list or spreadsheet you could share for this? I genuinely would love to use my text to speech and hear every individual one and then research ones that sound odd (though y'all did a great job on this video and list)
I kinda knew that you were a dedicated comic fan, but HOLY SHIT Drake!! I give you MAD props for taking the time out from your life and doing the insane research to come up with this video! And I thought that I was a huge comic nerd. I bow to your superior comic genius!
I think the fortnite paradox works since these characters come back the same time they left I’m pretty sure, and the island clones them after they leave which explains why they’re still there after they canonically leave.
2:24 But that is exactly what I'm looking for
this will grow in the future for sure
I think the way it works is different universes different earth numberings; like how mcu claims mcu is 616 but it’s 199999 in atsv
The amount of research that went into this is mind boggling. You guys deserve some kind oof comic-nerd gold medal! Any "inaccuracy" shouldn't even matter at this point
that being said...
how did you pronounce Kazuki Takahashi as Takashiki?
Better keep the excel spreadsheet updated
The level of ambition and detail for this video makes my little creative heart ache with admiration. Insane work
you guys are crazy for doing this but I can't help but love you guys for it! the video turned out real well!
"Venoms don't count"
Next time, Mania, my poor, neglected child.
This was a crazy amount of research you lads did. Well done and thank you so much for your efforts 👏😁
11:30 “I don’t know and I’m not going to question it”
How to read comics
I think you can cut out the fortnite characters, since apparantly the lore works like this:
-Character ends up in the island
-Leaves
-Body is copied into a blank double that works like any other fortnite character, and goes into the 'loop' forever (I guess?)
So it would be like, a copy of spiderman running around the universe, but theyre mute and stuck in the battle royale loop???
There are a bunch of alternate Earths in the Marvel multiverse. It's not something most people realize, but there were at least 161 alternate universes each with its own Earth. One of the cooler things about the Secret Wars event is you get to see heroes from many alternate Earths gathered together on Battleworld.
Reasons why i said this: Every world has a spiderman
the fact that Insomniac Spider-Man has to deal with 19 inches of Venom made me laugh out loud
I have been anticipating this video for so long! I’m so glad it’s finally here!! Thank you all so much for all of your effort and time!!
That's insane! Wasn't sure if you consider the video game version of Tobey and Andrew's Spider-Men? (This includes different ports of those games as well) I know Andrew's video game counterpart is a separate universe but are Tobey's separate as well or is there a way that the video games can still be somewhat canon to the main Raimi films? (Scenes from the movie playout differently in the games but I guess that wouldn't mean that stuff we only see in the games didn't happen off-screen in the films as well.)
No The game version of the Raimi films are a separate universe,Or an expanded version of the existing universe
This is the best thing ever. Love you guys.
Shoutout to the Spectacular Spider-Man tv show
That was incredible. The depth of research was staggering. Great video!
The Spider-verse movies using the same universe designations as the comics for Miguel, Miles, Gwen, and Peter seems to indicate that those movies take place in a completely separate multiverse... but that brings up even more problems. Take Insomniac Spider-Man. He appeared in the Spider-Geddon comic event _and_ Across the Spider-verse. If those movies take place in a separate multiverse, that means there's two Insomniac universes, one in the comics multiverse and one in the movie multiverse, but the games we see (thanks to the second game) are clearly in the movie multiverse. This also means that the live-action movies (the Raimi movies, Webb movies, Venom movies, and the _entire MCU_) take place in the Spider-verse movie multiverse and not the comics multiverse, which is supported by those universes being unaffected by Secret Wars 2015, but also there are clearly a crap ton of _other_ universes that were unaffected by that event and I'm sure there are some other contradictions out there to indicate that the movies are in the comics multiverse. So basically, I think the Spider-verse movies broke the entire Marvel canon.
If you watch the movie again, Spider-People that appear in the comics are labeled either "Earth-616A" and "Earth-1610A" in order to differentiate their respective realities from the movie versions, which we can assume is "Earth-616B" and "Earth-1610B".
As for the MCU, the fandom and the wiki don't consider the MCU as Earth-616 but rather Earth-199999, no matter what the characters say in the movies. Even Across the Spider-Verse took a shot at them by calling them 199999.
@@federalexpressman9762 To my knowledge, the MCU never said it was 616. Mysterio said that, but he turned out to be lying about literally everything. And I know for a fact that in the first Spider-verse movie, it explicitly used Earth-1610, Earth-616, and Earth-65, and this video has clips from the second movie in it that do not show the As and Bs you claim are there.
@@Bobb11881 Christine Palmer of Earth-838 designated the MCU as Earth-616 in Multiverse of Madness, which I assume you have not seen. Although Mysterio was only lying in Far From Home and we can assume based on that fact that the use of 616 in Far From Home is nothing more than just an easter egg, the Christine Palmer of Earth-838 designated the MCU as Earth-616, which made it clear that they wanted the MCU to be labeled as such because that version of Christine Palmer is aware of the multiverse and is doing research on it. Not only that, in the Loki series, the "Sacred Timeline" is labeled as E-616 in a blink and you'll miss it easter egg.
13:09 Huh, that's basically how that exchange went in the second movie too.
Schneiderman makes me think of Newsies when they refer to a character as Schneider the spider
Guys, this is amazing. So entertaining
Getting sent 36 pointing spider man hero clix is hilarious
This has nothing to do with the video, but any time Donald Duck is mentioned in relation to superheroes I can't help but wish the italian Duck Avenger comics were more widely known
I think Insomniac Spider-Man is the same one in Spider-Verse. I understand some like Miguel need to be their own character for continuity reasons, but the Insomniac Spider-Man 2 side missions (spoiler alert) literally tie directly into the spider-verse films.
You should definitely do more videos like this btw
Every Spider Ham version/Spider Ham like character
•SpiderHam (Normal)Earth8311
•Movie spider ham
•Spider ham 2099
•Scarlet spider ham
•Ben Reilly spider ham
•mayday porker/ swider girl ( Earth 94024)
•miles morhamles (Ultimate Spider Ham universe)
•Ultimate spider ham (dead)
•Civil war spider ham (Earth 7231)
•Zombie ham (might be the same as civil war spider ham)
•spider ham of earth 94024 (Mayday porker’s dad)
•Spider ham of earth 8
•All of earth 8 spider ham’s kids
•Spider duck ( Spider ham that got changed into a duck during secret wars )
•Spider ham that was transformed into a human
•Gwen’s hallucination of Spider ham
•Fortnite spider ham
•Contest of champions spider ham
•Ultimate Spider Man (show) Spider Ham
•Spider Man that got turned into a pig (in video)
*Bonus* Spider Ham as a cartoon character in the original Mayday Parker universe (Earth 982)
wheres slinger from avengers assemble and spider raptor from Hulk and the agents of S.M.A.S.H?
this is real dedication. cool vid!
this is Watchtower Database levels of insanity and I salute you for it. this is your craziest and best work on YT
Honestly it’s really crazy that you all worked so hard on this. But was a very fun and interesting video i loved ot