Its not entirely the same as the C80 doesn't have a DGO sensor which imo gives it the look that I love Edit: just got to your part of the video, thats interesting for sure and the C80 looks more magenta. Or maybe the C70 looks more green?
I currently run an R5C/C70 combo, and this upgrade is a complete no-brainer for me. Higher resolution, only a tiny DR hit.. I'm fairly heavily invested into RF lenses at this point.. so finally having two full-frame cameras will be incredible.
Best run down of the C80 yet. I have 2 x C70s and I'm happy with them, so as nice as the C80 looks I'm not going to upgrade. Plus, if you use exclusively EF lenses, there's actually a really good reason to keep the C70. Firstly, with the speed booster attached the camera's light gathering is 1 full stop higher than the ISO suggests, so if you think the C70 is only usable up to ISO 3200, then that's actually the equivalent of ISO 6400 on the C80. That's just 1 stop worse than the C80, and if you use prime lenses as I do, then its totally a non issue. The second thing with EF lenses is you can use the adapter with built in CPL filter, making it possible to use with some ultra wide lenses that don't take filters on the front. Its really not that cut and dry folks. Sure the C80 looks really impressive, but if you're not using RF lenses it really might be sensible to keep what you have in the C70. One thing I'd bet is that the C80 is less power efficient than the C70, which is one of the C70s great strengths.... I guess we'll have to see on that one. There are some other improvements on the C80 not mentioned in this video, but they can all be fixed on the C70 really easily. For example, the C80 has built-in wifi for remote control.... but you can buy a cheap USB Wifi or ethernet dongle and plug it in to the USB-C port on the C70. The mounting hole position on the bottom of the C70 can be easily fixed with an adapter plate. Both my C70's have a smallrig bottom plate and they didn't cost much. One thing I will say, is the C70s autofocus makes me a little nervous in back lit scenarios or in low light, and that is probably the only reason I'd give the C80 a second thought... but even then the AF on the C80 is still nowhere close to that on the R6 Mark ii which I keep as a back up. The C80 is Canon's best effort for years, but C70 owners should not get too carried away with the 'new camera' videos coming out. Its actually why I stopped making camera videos about 2 years ago now as I don't think its healthy.
I love that RF 24-105 2.8 though. Am looking forward to the new RF 24mm 1.4 version too. And now that they opened RF mount to Sigma, I might finally ditch all of my EF lenses.
CVP's test show the C70 has more dynamic range. Of course Canon wouldn't give us a full frame DGO sensor for $8000 and $5500. I personally prefer fixed ISO higher dynamic range sensors which Alexa does. I work in narrative so it's different for event shooters. Yes the dynamic range difference isn't huge but when you are in the under 12.5 stop range every half stop counts. I personally find the C70 noisy compared to an Alexa in high dynamic range situations. The C80 would fare worse. I light my scenes and love having the maximum latitude to work with in post. For people who shoot in uncontrolled situations a C80 makes more sense with triple ISO.
@@renaissancedigital5730 I've shot narrative too and directed/produced too, but many of us who shoot doc, reality, true crime, commercial, corporate have used the c70 extensively, and many times I personally prefer it over the 500 II. I don't do any events, and I don't think Griffin does either, so pigeon-holing the C70 for events is not realistic. Alexa is a different beast entirely, as is the Sony Venice and other larger cinema cams.
I wonder if you can attach the speedbooster to the C80 and shoot in S35 mode? How that would help or hurt? Extra Stop plus triple base ISO minues cropped and therefore larger noise.
As a C70 owner since day one (FOUR YEARS NOW) I want to remind people, that NOW is a perfect moment to buy a used C70 for next to nothing and embrace that camera I STILL have yet to find a better more pleasing image out of camera. And despite it's flaws, would still recommend it to anyone starting out. S35 is totally fine, the speed booster works great, and if you don't need SDI or some of the new features of the C80, don't let GAS confuse you into thinking that you NEED the C80 I was planning on selling my C70, but now I am thinking with the value it brings to me as a backup camera and for how much it would sell for, it's not worth it to sell anymore. To have a B cam with he image quality of the C70 is STILL powerful to this day. I mean, the C100 original is still awesome today... think how much longer life the C70 has as a b cam Ideally, I'd love to buy the C80, but it's feature set goes beyond my needs as a "RUclipsr" and I still love the C70. | Search yourself and decide if it's worth it and if you can afford to make the switch/upgrade If you're starting from scratch, this makes a really hard choice. If you can afford it, go ahead and get the C80, but the C70 now offers an insane value
Hey mate, I've been contemplating the c70 for a while now. In regards to the speedbooster, do you ever have the purple dot issue when shooting in really bright scenes? I like using the sun for backlighting, coupled with bounce for fill when I'm shooting outdoor documentary work, but do you think I'd have issues?
I just did that, got one for 3K with one extra battery and a 256GB card. I'm also an owner of 2 Red Komodos, which I love for corporate for their sharpness, but now I'm starting to do a lot more doc work, I needed something with more built in options and better audio as which that's where the Komodo suffers (as well as boot up time). The komodos had me missing moment, and requires an AC most the time considering media and other caveats. Depending how the C70 goes, I may consider selling the two Komodos and getting either a C80,C400, or Komodo X. But I think most likely a C80. I like having small form factors for owned equipment as most my clients are retainer corporate and small to mid size productions. The other big benefit of the C70 is the smaller codecs for when clients just want stuff uploaded for social or uploaded in general. I don't have fiber where I'm located so uploading those massive RED files is a pain. So for any productions that are bigger than my average gigs, I can always rent bigger cameras.
The C80 sounds great but honestly I don't need or want full frame right now. Been rocking APS-C for years and with fast lenses it seems to work fine for me.
I just sold my R6MKII and picked up a R5C. I do photography as well but this made the most sense to me so at least I have a B Camera for the moment that has time code.
Seen so much hate about the C80, and almost didn’t get it stepping up from the R5, but after watching your video I made my decision and went out and bought it. Best decision ever
Would love to see you make a video about using canon’s in general for professional work. I see some people say, “don’t buy a canon because most use Sony for professional work so you’ll be the odd duck out if you’re meshing ecosystems on a shoot”. I suppose you may only use your cameras on your work so maybe it doesn’t affect you. But if that’s not the case, I would like to hear your perspective on how different ecosystems mesh in professional environments.
That’s a good idea. I’ll keep that in mind or at least touch on it in one of the upcoming videos. Short answer: I love canon and have shot with canon since the beginning and my career has gone overall pretty well. A lot does depend on your location and type of work though.
For wedding filmmaking, this thing is almost a no-brainer! Currently using s70's and 2 R5C's with the R5C's basically being the go to for the dark reception footage. This would be the perfect addition to go with this lineup for sure! Love the "non-scientific" testing too! Nice to see real world examples.
This camera looks crazy good. Canon knocked it out of the park with this one, and I think it will be really popular. Great video dude! Can't wait to see more footage from you
Huh? What’s the improvements in cinema production? It’s not meant as still camera. AF is still subpar which for this era is not good enough. No 240? Come on.
The raw works great on the sd cards and file sizes are much more manageable. The lack of cf express is a great differentiator for the c80/c400 in my opinion
Thanks for making this video, was excellent hearing you tie the features of the C80 to your various use case scenarios, really helpful seeing what you think would be relevant to the work you do and whether it was an upgrade. Look forward to seeing those videos about the related topics you mentioned when you put them out.
I'm running two C70s over here, and I'm not sure how much sense it would make to upgrade one of them to the C80. Having two of the same camera just makes everything so much easier in interview scenarios, IMO, and I did notice some color differences between the C80 and C70 here in Griffin's video, which are to be expected, honestly. I do *love* that triple base ISO, though: I'm frequently forced to shoot in low light with little or no possibility of adding artificial light. I shoot pretty much exclusively with EF-mount Zeiss glass. I don't love using the speedbooster, though I do it sometimes when I have to work close to the subject or need extra light. I also do love the extra resolution on the C80. Even though I do like the softness of the C70 in a lot of scenarios, when we do product work, the client is usually wanting as much detail as we can capture, and I sometimes have to sharpen C70 footage in post a little bit in those situations.
Hi Griffin! C70 owner here haha, I noticed even before the punch-in @7:25 that the C80 is sharper. I've even felt like my R5 is sharper than my C70 with EF lenses and always thought it may be due to the diopter in the speed booster adapter. The C70 for me checked all the boxes, except that it's super 35. Full frame has always been a major boost to me as far as low light goes, especially with narrative filmmaking and wanting to film low-lit scenes, especially on an independent level. The triple base ISO plus the full frame is huge in that respect. The autofocus and SDI are nice too, would love to add it to my lineup as my A-Cam. The smaller body seems more flexible for gimbals than a C400 imo and easier for documentary filmmaking, especially in a docu-follow scenario.
Yes I think it's a really nice camera to pair with a C70 or upgrade from depending on what your preferences are. If you want more detailed, then yes definitely the c80 would be a huge upgrade. Thanks for watching Evan!
@@GriffinConway What's your thoughts on the EF speed booster adapter for the C70? Do you think it slightly softens images compared to what you're seeing with RF lenses or a C80 or R-series camera with an EF adapter w/o the diopter?
I passed on the C70 for awhile. I liked it because of the form factor, especially with the run n gun work I do. The C80 is going to make it hard to pass on when yhe time comes. Checks a lot of boxes I could see upgrading my work and workflow. Thanks for the review!
Hi Griffin: I used an R6mkii. I normally shoot interviews. Ive seen more complaints on soft images on the C70b that i've never bought one. I noticed on this video you installed a 24-70 on the camera. My question is, have you had issues with zooming? I have a dji 4 pro gimbal with a focus motor in the zoom ring. It seems to labor, and honestly is tight in the hand. What lens do you use? A photo or cini lens for the motor to run? I appreciate your videos, very informative.
„So the C80 met the 24-105 f2.8 and they lived happily ever after“ 😂 Man i was pumped when i saw it announced yesterday and was waiting for your take on the C80. What a dream camera, especially with that tripple base ISO! Thanks for the vid, looking forward to the field test and how it compares to the C400!
Exactly the shooter you described at the end- on the R6 Mark II and been wanting a cinema camera. I've been dragging my feet for the past month to buy the C70 and turns out my hesitation was rewarded. Super excited for the C80, preordering now.
In my opinion it makes total sense to buy a c400. It has no codec limitations, more connections, CF express and a more appealing form factor. Then you also have the lens servo connection which makes it the perfect convo with the 24-105 RF 2.8. I'm upgrading from the c300 mkiii to the c400. I just love that body type. Then I would run my r5c for all the gimbal stuff and b cam. But I would lie if I said this release wasn't really tempting. Two grand is a lot of money! I would love to see that c400 vs c80 video too!
Thank you for making a video for actual freelancers and not just camera nerds. Super fun to hear your perspective! I thiiiiiiiiink I'm going to stick with my C70 for now because I fit into that corporate category you described where none of the upgrades really make their way to the client enough to justify the cost. Going to pre-order the 1200x instead!
Thanks for watching, and thanks for the kind words! I just watched your Theos / c70 video. I saw the 1200x and I think I’ll end up adding one of those to my kit in a few months. That’s such an insane light.
I've seen several C80/C70 comparison videos with comment sections full of RUclips community members that all feel the c70 bests the C80 in image quality, with most claiming that the C70 offers better DR, color bit depth and of course that je ne sais quoi “filmic” factor. Could it be that they just prefer the C70’s softer, low contrast look (easily achievable in Resolve or with filters)? What about highlight roll off, how do the cameras compare? Appreciate your insights!
I don’t make the choices for them but I would imagine the thought is if they want higher res they can have raw, or if they want the “everyday normal jobs” kind of codec they have 4k
@@GriffinConway Raw isn't an option for me due to the file size, but I need higher resolution for reframing and stabilizing a 4K master. Oversampled 4K material can only be reframed by about 20 percent without noticeable loss; otherwise, the drop in sharpness becomes apparent in the film, or the previous shots appear too sharp. That's why a 6K codec, like the one Panasonic offers in their mirrorless cameras, would be a better choice.
Salute to another Excellent video detailing a Canon Cinema Camera ... You covered all the points of why my check book is Wide open for the C80, Extra sharpness from the 6K sensor to diffuse in post if desired is preferred, Triple Base ISO "You're 12,800 footage looks Clean AF", SDI port and last but definitely not least that DPAF2 is game changer, reminds of built in ND's at one time people would say you don't need that for a cinema camera and NOW the big boys i.e. Raptor XL is using built in ND's. I"m excited for this camera as well as the content you're going to be unleashing, Keep up great work!
I'm in the same boat bro, I have C500 II and C70. Thinking of upgrading both to C400 and C80...I shoot mostly Corporate and weddings. both have some really good improvements but are they enough of an improvement to upgrade. I think if I had the money to upgrade without having to sell the OGs it would be a no brainer for me...definitely have some decisions to make.
Every time I see a new Griffin Conway video drop, I get excited. I have a C70 right now, great camera. I'd LOVE to get my hands on the new C80, but if I'm being honest, I don't need it, yet. C70 is definitely old reliable. I'd love your thoughts on the R5C, specifically how the autofocus has worked for you and how you work around the atrocious power limitations? Thanks man.
Absolutely have to get one. The only thing I don't like about my c70 is not being full frame. Bonus triple base iso is the cherry on top. Wish I got a chance to review ahead of time this is so helpful. Thanks man!
Been waiting a long time for this camera and it looks to deliver. Does everything most people could need. C70 was amazing at the price point but required a few too many compromises to be perfect. Thanks for the video.
this camera seems to be the one we were waiting for 4 years ago, with a viewfinder... Looking forward to seeing Sony's response. thanks for your Chanel .
Question Griffin: What are you using to measure your 'over exposure' ? Canon's flip screen (exposure meter on the bottom)? or a SmallHD? or a BlackMagic 12G? Just curious how to compare on my C70/C80. Thank you again for everything you do!
Hey Ron! When doing my testing I usually just set proper exposure using false color and also creatively how I want it to look, then remove 2 stops of ND for 2 stops over, then remove 4 stops of ND for 4 stops etc
Griffin, for someone who’s just looking into getting their first cinema camera and doing a wide range of projects (documentaries, ad shoots, etc.) would you do the C80 or the new C400? Thanks in advance, really value your input🙏🏻
@@tanner_kirk I would go c80! You can save the rest of the money and put it towards other gear if needed or use it to get some courses and really learn to dial in lighting / interview setups etc
I own a C70 and 2x R6's, planning on selling my C70 currently and saving a little bit for the C80. Whilst I absolutely love the C70 from an ergonomics/practical pov, I find it to be super soft image-wise compared to even the R6. Hoping the FF higher resolution C80 will suit my needs going forward.
@@GriffinConway Thanks Griffin! I think if you have multiple C70's then it's okay because you can shot match and the footage is all uniform, but when trying to match the C70 to a FF camera the difference in sharpness is quite noticeable, and like you say in the video it's not really detail you can get through digital sharpening. And again punching in on the image from the C70 just isn't really an option either imo. Really love your content btw and it's helped me so much to improve my craft, all the best from Ireland! 🇮🇪
What if you have an R5 C and not just a regular R5? I was thinking about getting a C400 to be my A cam and having the R5 C be my b cam and gimbal cam as I am doing more doc work and doing more work that requires those outputs for client monitors. I mainly do Corporate work now, with some product commercial work here and there and the 8K Raw is AMAZING lol
Ya that would be a great setup. R5c as a lightweight gimbal cam and c400 as the main A cam with all the outputs. Then eventually add the c80 and you will have the whole family! Haha
Thanks for great reviews. I am shooting adventure documentaries, and gradually stepping up. Last shoot was C70 (A cam) and R5 (B cam, tele), various RF lenses. I am trying to reduce edit/colouring issues. Would you recommend my purchase of C80 (A cam), C70 (B cam), R5 (tele) ... will the full frame v super 35 DGO etc be compatible?
The c70 and c80 will match almost perfect with no additional grading needed as long as they are both shot in clog2. The R5 will always need quite a bit of work to match the c70/c80. If you only need a few small clips you can shoot the r5 in raw and interpret the footage as clog 2 which will make it match pretty well..
Great work bud. Practical use. That's what matters. Gonna keep my C400 order and down the road sell 2 C70's for an upgrade to the C80. Probably for that super reliable AF & triple ISO, works for me! Broncos and Canons... a good work day.
Hey Mike! Short answer: yes.....longer answer, No. It can technically capture images but only in jpeg (not raw) and ergonomically it is not set up for it. You would be better off in almost all circumstances using a still camera to supplement this camera if you need to take still photos as well.
So my question is in a lot of cases I do you use Auto WB. I know you shouldn't but is it better in the C80? The colors always seamed off on the C70 esp wihen shooting with other cameras like the R5 and R3. Also do you prefer clog 2 or 3? Since I have the 2 R52's now. GREAT VIDEO AS ALWAYS!
I noticed the mirrorless cameras tend to be slightly cooler/whiter compared to the cinema cameras. The little secret tip I have for you is when you walk in to a room, turn on auto WB on the c70/c80. Once you see what the color temp is, manually set it to that. For example if the camera is 4800k WB and you want it to look warmer, just set it to manual and adjust to 5000k or 5200k.
@ yes I noticed that myself. So just set my R52 for example to a warmer setting or vise versa? Do you like clog2 or 3 more? I’ve seen that canon is putting clog2 in there mirrorless cameras now
Is the C80's autofocus on par with the new R5M2 or more like the first generation? I'm surprised that the C80 doesn't have the AI tracking functions for vehicles that have been on board the R5 since the first generation. I don't understand Canon's product philosophy. But that has been the case for several years.
Starting to learn that the reason cinema cameras add on stuff like raw and 4k and we’re like wait my mirror less has this is because in conception nothing else matters but the Dr of the sensor and the functioning of the camera your phone has 4k a ok cam Starting to see a lot more companies taking the arri approach
Loved the C300 III/C70 combo for the past 3-4 years and also love the idea of full frame C400/C80 combo, mostly because all Canon lenses are made for an optimized for full-frame cameras and producers are asking for full frame cameras more and more. Would love that 24-105mm f2.8 and the new 35mm F1.4 VC (or upcoming 24 and 50mm f1.4) and call it a day with those two cams.
@@GriffinConway Aw thanks for watching. You've always been one of my faves on here, so nice to hear you've seen some of my vids. I think the same sensor/different form factors is very smart for camera brands - I do think it's one reason the FX6/FX3 combo did so well. C300III/C70 as well, but man everyone is clammering for full frame.
Hi ...regarding sharpness of the footage....how sharp is it compared to Sony and Red cameras? I am a wildlife shooter and always used my canon R5 for both stills and video. The whole market is now ruled by video so its only obvious thet one must look more into the video market to survive. I got rf lenses and 1 ef adapted ef rf canon 24-70 ...rf70-200 and 100-500 so would like to stay with canon because of the expense to go to sony or nikon. the canon R5ii some say video footage is a bit soft.....any input from your side as to comparison?
Would be very interested in seeing a quick underexposure test from you. Or, to make it more real-world: High contrast scene with very dark skin tone subject. The C70's shadow latitude is amazing to keep dark skin tones clean and detailed. From the C80 raw footage that I've tested so far, the new sensor is noticeably worse in that regard.
How much sharper is the full frame 4k downsampled from 6k compared to the c70? I absolutely love my c70 but it find it soft sometimes, especially when trying to pull a green screen. Thank you for this comparison!!
Great review & I cannot wait to introduce the R5c to her new big brother. Quick question: why do you choose LongGOP over XF-AVC? Simply for file size or do you think the picture is better?
Sorry to clarify I chose XF-AVC Long Gop instead of XF-AVC All-I. The reason for this is they look almost the same and the long gop has much smaller files.
How did you find it matched between the c70 and c80, at clog 2 did you need to shift any magenta/green to match at all? They looks like they matched extremely well. Thanks! Also still hoping they do like a higher end c80 / c90 that has a built in viewfinder, like a R1 style evf right on the body. One can dream.
@@GriffinConway amazing, I have found that the Sonys like the fx6 and fx3 and fx9’s all don’t really colour match. And have always been impressed with Canon’s colour matching between cameras.
Hey Griffin! I've owned a C70 since launch and used it a lot, thanks for your thoughts. I was hoping you might mention build quality and the LCD screen, as that is probably my biggest gripe with my C70. I'm really hoping there is an improvement. Other than that I'd love the triple ISO and SDI but it wouldn't change my life so it might be sensible to hold off for a bit. Funny as well but with your side by side, I still find myself seeing a more organic and (sigh, I know) filmic vibe with the C70, but most of the production companies and corporate clients I work with would probably value the sharpness of the C80 more so there we go.
Do you think the C80 still kills the Red Komodo now that Red dropped the price of the 6k to $5k and the X to $7k? I guess neither has great AF though compared to the C70 OR the C80. I still have a C70 but am thinking of selling it off and getting the C80.
The Komodo has more dynamic range. With what used Komodos are selling for these days I'd buy one over a C80 personally. I don't use auto focus or high frame rates often though. To me the C70 is still an incredible deal especially used. Once the C80 drops I am sure we'll see a lot of C70's hit the market used.
I don’t think it’s necessarily a Komodo killer, at least for me. Shooting with our camera car the global shutter is a big deal to me, and so I’ll keep the Komodo. We also always use a matte box so it’s not a big deal to add in ND’s externally. That said, for any work I do outside of that I would grab my c70 (or eventually the c80 once I actually get one). Image is great, ND’s/Audio/Slow motion/low light/autofocus etc etc is all way better on the Canons.
@@GriffinConway I didn’t even know you had a Komodo and thought you were using the Canons for your car cams. The Red makes sense since that’s what they were designed for in the first place. Since you mentioned the NDs on the Red, I guess you are not using the RF to EF adapter with internal NDs on the Red? So you’re using RF lenses more now? I see you have the 24-105 2.8 now and it’s my next lens. I have my EF lenses for sale now since I find the RF lenses sooooo much nice and they seem to have shallower DOF and nicer bokeh as well as a better image than equivalent EF lenses. For example a RF 70-200 2.8 looks more like a 2.0 compared to a EF 70-200 2.8. I run an R5 as well but I’m not 💯 on the ND adapter anymore. I had to buy a clear filter for it when going outside to inside or swap out the EF adapter. Having a screw on ND filter isn’t so bad for that one camera when you get the benefits of RF. I’ll keep the adapters for some special lenses, but I think it’s time to let the canon EF lenses go.
"..i dont know what camera im going to trade out.." - Says the man who just listed all the cameras in his arsenal haha! Love your work Griffin awesome to see you're automotive these days!
Hey Griffin. Great video first of all. Love your work. I'm currently rocking an R5 and R5C with a couple RF lenses as well as EF. I shoot various things including weddings, events, short films, and corporate stuff. I wanted to get your thoughts on whether the C80 would be the right choice or if I should grab a used C70 at a discounted rate. Appreciate your input. Thanks!
I was looking at a C70 used for $3500 and thought that was a good deal. Came to RUclips to see if people still like using it this year and just found out a C80 is out. For me this year I just purchases a Canon R7 which covers a lot of things I want and maybe I'll get a C70 at some point in the future if I want more.
@@hawaiifreespeechnews Cause this is the same sensor as C400 and its all I need. Cameras are made for diff people. C400 is nice but I can get the things I need in C80 and be a lil cheaper. That's why!!
Still loving my C70. It's a great camera for me. I sprung for the Bright Tangerine cage. Love it. At the moment I cannot justify an upgrade as C70 and RF glass pair real well. If I have a goodly budget, A camera is likely an Arri Alexa. The C70 has pulled its weight. So many times I have shot it on scout days and ended using the footage. It's still a great camera. Would I love to have full frame? Yes, but at the moment, I'm sticking with what I got.
Hey Joe! Yes totally agree. The c70 still is amazing and I have paired it with the Alexa mini on multiple commercial shoots when we need a small camera. How are you liking the bright tangerine cage? For me it fixed the mounting hole issue in the bottom I was talking about. Anyways hope you are doing great! Thanks for watching.
Also the new one doesn’t have DGO so it’s interesting to see someone comparing the dynamic range. I am still waiting to buy a camera but I would still consider a used C70 over the C80. I am conservative.
@@benp712 You should get a great deal on a C70. A lot of this buzz is hype. Once it dies down the best camera in the world will be the one you have in your hands. C70 is plenty good if you love what you are shooting.
One thing I found really interesting is the power consumption of the C80. Even with the added 6k sensors, the downscaling and the 12g SDI port, you are still getting about 2hours shooting 4k XFAVC, oddly you get even more when shooting raw! Lol. At the highest power draw is pulling about 19watts, very similar to the sony fx6, while the c400 is pulling about 31watts vs lets say the FX9 pullling 36watts, or the Burano at 50watts. The C80 still sips battery even with the higher resolution sensor and sdi port. It's does really feel like a generation leap for sure.
I noticed that as well. I really feel like this is a doc shooters dream camera of anyone who does travel / adventure filmmaking. Having to run around with less batteries is so nice and not having to worry about switching batteries for interviews either.
What are the limitations of long gop? Like when there is really a lot of motion or handheld camera movement, do you have issues then or is still looking perfectly good?
For me I never can really tell a difference other than it doesn’t edit as smooth on my computer, but since I usually edit with proxies it’s no big deal to me.
C80 is a no brainer for me. I’ll definitely be picking one up. Right now I run a c70 as an a-cam and r5c as a b-cam. So this fits perfectly in my workflow and budget.
I wish they released a full-frame 4K DGO sensor. Imagine the dynamic range on that one... Still, it's a great time to be in the market for a C70 now, which is a great camera.
It would prob be the same as the c70 is.. it being full frame doesn’t suddenly add DR. Look at the arri’s, they get all that DR with a DGO sensor that’s super35 size. Canon would need to just optimize the way DGO works but it wouldn’t automatically be a gain in DR if they made it full frame.
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As we were discussing in the last 2 years -
C70 + full frame + 6K + SDI and it would be perfect.
Now we have it.
Exactly!
Its not entirely the same as the C80 doesn't have a DGO sensor which imo gives it the look that I love
Edit: just got to your part of the video, thats interesting for sure and the C80 looks more magenta. Or maybe the C70 looks more green?
@@front_row_video Yeah, I noticed that color difference, too. :(
I currently run an R5C/C70 combo, and this upgrade is a complete no-brainer for me.
Higher resolution, only a tiny DR hit.. I'm fairly heavily invested into RF lenses at this point.. so finally having two full-frame cameras will be incredible.
Definitely! If you have lots of RF lenses this is the way to go!
Are you going to sell you C70?
@@StarLightDotPhotos not sure yet.. still deciding, but leaning yes
@@TizOnly1 i would just toss the r5c and do c70 and c80 combo for jobs. very similar ergos, look, and workflows.
@@RayValdezPhotography need a photo camera, otherwise I would
Best run down of the C80 yet. I have 2 x C70s and I'm happy with them, so as nice as the C80 looks I'm not going to upgrade.
Plus, if you use exclusively EF lenses, there's actually a really good reason to keep the C70.
Firstly, with the speed booster attached the camera's light gathering is 1 full stop higher than the ISO suggests, so if you think the C70 is only usable up to ISO 3200, then that's actually the equivalent of ISO 6400 on the C80. That's just 1 stop worse than the C80, and if you use prime lenses as I do, then its totally a non issue.
The second thing with EF lenses is you can use the adapter with built in CPL filter, making it possible to use with some ultra wide lenses that don't take filters on the front.
Its really not that cut and dry folks. Sure the C80 looks really impressive, but if you're not using RF lenses it really might be sensible to keep what you have in the C70.
One thing I'd bet is that the C80 is less power efficient than the C70, which is one of the C70s great strengths.... I guess we'll have to see on that one.
There are some other improvements on the C80 not mentioned in this video, but they can all be fixed on the C70 really easily. For example, the C80 has built-in wifi for remote control.... but you can buy a cheap USB Wifi or ethernet dongle and plug it in to the USB-C port on the C70.
The mounting hole position on the bottom of the C70 can be easily fixed with an adapter plate. Both my C70's have a smallrig bottom plate and they didn't cost much.
One thing I will say, is the C70s autofocus makes me a little nervous in back lit scenarios or in low light, and that is probably the only reason I'd give the C80 a second thought... but even then the AF on the C80 is still nowhere close to that on the R6 Mark ii which I keep as a back up.
The C80 is Canon's best effort for years, but C70 owners should not get too carried away with the 'new camera' videos coming out. Its actually why I stopped making camera videos about 2 years ago now as I don't think its healthy.
Thanks for the detailed comment. Yes I agree c70 is still so good and that was the point I tried to make as well!
I love that RF 24-105 2.8 though. Am looking forward to the new RF 24mm 1.4 version too. And now that they opened RF mount to Sigma, I might finally ditch all of my EF lenses.
CVP's test show the C70 has more dynamic range. Of course Canon wouldn't give us a full frame DGO sensor for $8000 and $5500.
I personally prefer fixed ISO higher dynamic range sensors which Alexa does. I work in narrative so it's different for event shooters.
Yes the dynamic range difference isn't huge but when you are in the under 12.5 stop range every half stop counts. I personally find the C70 noisy compared to an Alexa in high dynamic range situations. The C80 would fare worse. I light my scenes and love having the maximum latitude to work with in post.
For people who shoot in uncontrolled situations a C80 makes more sense with triple ISO.
@@renaissancedigital5730 I've shot narrative too and directed/produced too, but many of us who shoot doc, reality, true crime, commercial, corporate have used the c70 extensively, and many times I personally prefer it over the 500 II. I don't do any events, and I don't think Griffin does either, so pigeon-holing the C70 for events is not realistic. Alexa is a different beast entirely, as is the Sony Venice and other larger cinema cams.
I wonder if you can attach the speedbooster to the C80 and shoot in S35 mode? How that would help or hurt? Extra Stop plus triple base ISO minues cropped and therefore larger noise.
As a C70 owner since day one (FOUR YEARS NOW) I want to remind people, that NOW is a perfect moment to buy a used C70 for next to nothing and embrace that camera
I STILL have yet to find a better more pleasing image out of camera. And despite it's flaws, would still recommend it to anyone starting out. S35 is totally fine, the speed booster works great, and if you don't need SDI or some of the new features of the C80, don't let GAS confuse you into thinking that you NEED the C80
I was planning on selling my C70, but now I am thinking with the value it brings to me as a backup camera and for how much it would sell for, it's not worth it to sell anymore.
To have a B cam with he image quality of the C70 is STILL powerful to this day. I mean, the C100 original is still awesome today... think how much longer life the C70 has as a b cam
Ideally, I'd love to buy the C80, but it's feature set goes beyond my needs as a "RUclipsr" and I still love the C70. |
Search yourself and decide if it's worth it and if you can afford to make the switch/upgrade
If you're starting from scratch, this makes a really hard choice. If you can afford it, go ahead and get the C80, but the C70 now offers an insane value
Hey mate, I've been contemplating the c70 for a while now. In regards to the speedbooster, do you ever have the purple dot issue when shooting in really bright scenes? I like using the sun for backlighting, coupled with bounce for fill when I'm shooting outdoor documentary work, but do you think I'd have issues?
I just did that, got one for 3K with one extra battery and a 256GB card. I'm also an owner of 2 Red Komodos, which I love for corporate for their sharpness, but now I'm starting to do a lot more doc work, I needed something with more built in options and better audio as which that's where the Komodo suffers (as well as boot up time). The komodos had me missing moment, and requires an AC most the time considering media and other caveats. Depending how the C70 goes, I may consider selling the two Komodos and getting either a C80,C400, or Komodo X. But I think most likely a C80. I like having small form factors for owned equipment as most my clients are retainer corporate and small to mid size productions. The other big benefit of the C70 is the smaller codecs for when clients just want stuff uploaded for social or uploaded in general. I don't have fiber where I'm located so uploading those massive RED files is a pain. So for any productions that are bigger than my average gigs, I can always rent bigger cameras.
The C80 sounds great but honestly I don't need or want full frame right now. Been rocking APS-C for years and with fast lenses it seems to work fine for me.
Yep, ordered one last night for $3k!
I just sold my R6MKII and picked up a R5C. I do photography as well but this made the most sense to me so at least I have a B Camera for the moment that has time code.
Only bloke I listen to, out there doing it in the real word. Not a retailer trying to sell cameras or an influencer being paid by Canon. 👏🏼
Thanks Rob!
I'm not buying a cinema cam but when I saw the C80 announcement I immediately thought of this channel. Should be a great video.
Thank you!
Thank you, Griffin for this update! Very informative! Cheers!
Brilliant quick assessment!
Interested in your Luts for sale... have you created any specific for Real Estate!
I was waiting for you to drop this video. The C80 looks to me as the camera we all need in our kit...
Totally agree Carlos! Interested to hear your take on it bro!
You made me buy a C70 a couple years ago... and here you come again 🤑
Hahaha here we go again!
Lol
Dang that 12,800 footage is crazy!! Can't wait to check it out. Great practical review.
Thanks for watching Daniel!
Seen so much hate about the C80, and almost didn’t get it stepping up from the R5, but after watching your video I made my decision and went out and bought it. Best decision ever
Been waiting in your insight and video man! Canon was definitely listening to our complaints! The C80 looks solid!
Thanks for watching Marcus! Totally agree the c80 is a great camera and fixes all the complaints we had
Would love to see you make a video about using canon’s in general for professional work. I see some people say, “don’t buy a canon because most use Sony for professional work so you’ll be the odd duck out if you’re meshing ecosystems on a shoot”.
I suppose you may only use your cameras on your work so maybe it doesn’t affect you. But if that’s not the case, I would like to hear your perspective on how different ecosystems mesh in professional environments.
That’s a good idea. I’ll keep that in mind or at least touch on it in one of the upcoming videos. Short answer: I love canon and have shot with canon since the beginning and my career has gone overall pretty well. A lot does depend on your location and type of work though.
Emotions under control until 15:18 You totally get me with the TAX reduction old excuse ha ha! Nice and honest video thanks for sharing it ;)
haha guilty!
For wedding filmmaking, this thing is almost a no-brainer! Currently using s70's and 2 R5C's with the R5C's basically being the go to for the dark reception footage. This would be the perfect addition to go with this lineup for sure! Love the "non-scientific" testing too! Nice to see real world examples.
This camera looks crazy good. Canon knocked it out of the park with this one, and I think it will be really popular. Great video dude! Can't wait to see more footage from you
Huh? What’s the improvements in cinema production? It’s not meant as still camera. AF is still subpar which for this era is not good enough. No 240? Come on.
@@FireStick-v1wit also makes no tasty cappuccino, which is a no go at this price point. ☕️
@@FireStick-v1w Yes so I’m thinking the R1 and C400 combo is going to be the best setup
Thanks Tyler! Can’t wait to shoot more with it. You coming back to team Canon after this release??
@@FireStick-v1wI know right! And does not cook for you, come on really!!!
Great video. Curious,What about 6k long gop (or anything other than raw)?
6k 24/30p raw is the only option but the lower bitrate raw is pretty manageable for file sizes.
@@GriffinConway Noted. Thanks
Only issue is a lack CFexpress slot. I cant imagine record RAW files on SD cards (im still use C200 and CFAST)
The raw works great on the sd cards and file sizes are much more manageable. The lack of cf express is a great differentiator for the c80/c400 in my opinion
Can't you easily use a metabones speedbooster with the Iron Glass lenses?
Why no open gate? What about anamorphic desqueeze options?
I didn’t have the camera all that long before putting this out but it can do 1.3 and 1.8 anamorphic de squeeze and no open gate at this moment
@@GriffinConway thanks for answering
Thanks for making this video, was excellent hearing you tie the features of the C80 to your various use case scenarios, really helpful seeing what you think would be relevant to the work you do and whether it was an upgrade. Look forward to seeing those videos about the related topics you mentioned when you put them out.
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching Bob!
The C80 with the 24-105 2.8 Z is going to be an incredible combo. Excited to see the 70-200 Z variant that's coming later this year.
Totally agree!
In 4k on the c 80 is only super 35? Even 4k60?
C80 can do 4k 24p/30p/60p/120p in full frame
@@GriffinConway 🤩🤩🤩 over sample ?
@@GriffinConway since the red Komodo drop the price have been in a cinema camera market and the c80 check all the box now
Absolutely the only review of the C80 I was looking forward to
I'm running two C70s over here, and I'm not sure how much sense it would make to upgrade one of them to the C80. Having two of the same camera just makes everything so much easier in interview scenarios, IMO, and I did notice some color differences between the C80 and C70 here in Griffin's video, which are to be expected, honestly.
I do *love* that triple base ISO, though: I'm frequently forced to shoot in low light with little or no possibility of adding artificial light. I shoot pretty much exclusively with EF-mount Zeiss glass. I don't love using the speedbooster, though I do it sometimes when I have to work close to the subject or need extra light.
I also do love the extra resolution on the C80. Even though I do like the softness of the C70 in a lot of scenarios, when we do product work, the client is usually wanting as much detail as we can capture, and I sometimes have to sharpen C70 footage in post a little bit in those situations.
Great real-world review Griffin. Love the extra sharpness of the c80.
Hey Matt! Yes me too. Do you think you will stick with the c70’s or move to a c80?
@@GriffinConway still happy with the c70 right now!
Hi Griffin! C70 owner here haha, I noticed even before the punch-in @7:25 that the C80 is sharper. I've even felt like my R5 is sharper than my C70 with EF lenses and always thought it may be due to the diopter in the speed booster adapter. The C70 for me checked all the boxes, except that it's super 35. Full frame has always been a major boost to me as far as low light goes, especially with narrative filmmaking and wanting to film low-lit scenes, especially on an independent level. The triple base ISO plus the full frame is huge in that respect. The autofocus and SDI are nice too, would love to add it to my lineup as my A-Cam. The smaller body seems more flexible for gimbals than a C400 imo and easier for documentary filmmaking, especially in a docu-follow scenario.
Yes I think it's a really nice camera to pair with a C70 or upgrade from depending on what your preferences are. If you want more detailed, then yes definitely the c80 would be a huge upgrade. Thanks for watching Evan!
@@GriffinConway What's your thoughts on the EF speed booster adapter for the C70? Do you think it slightly softens images compared to what you're seeing with RF lenses or a C80 or R-series camera with an EF adapter w/o the diopter?
Would love to see them enchance their dgo technology. Maybe some triple gain sensor
My guess is it's coming in the future, but I also feel the vast majority of people won't notice the difference in sensor tech between this and a c70
I passed on the C70 for awhile. I liked it because of the form factor, especially with the run n gun work I do. The C80 is going to make it hard to pass on when yhe time comes. Checks a lot of boxes I could see upgrading my work and workflow. Thanks for the review!
Hi Griffin: I used an R6mkii. I normally shoot interviews. Ive seen more complaints on soft images on the C70b that i've never bought one. I noticed on this video you installed a 24-70 on the camera. My question is, have you had issues with zooming? I have a dji 4 pro gimbal with a focus motor in the zoom ring. It seems to labor, and honestly is tight in the hand. What lens do you use? A photo or cini lens for the motor to run?
I appreciate your videos, very informative.
„So the C80 met the 24-105 f2.8 and they lived happily ever after“ 😂
Man i was pumped when i saw it announced yesterday and was waiting for your take on the C80. What a dream camera, especially with that tripple base ISO!
Thanks for the vid, looking forward to the field test and how it compares to the C400!
Thank you! Looking forward to testing both those cameras soon!
Exactly the shooter you described at the end- on the R6 Mark II and been wanting a cinema camera. I've been dragging my feet for the past month to buy the C70 and turns out my hesitation was rewarded. Super excited for the C80, preordering now.
Nice! Feel free to use the link about to support and channel, and congrats on your upcoming purchase!
Please make a video with your opinion "What is the point C400 now after c80 came out. Does it makes sence?"
In my opinion it makes total sense to buy a c400. It has no codec limitations, more connections, CF express and a more appealing form factor. Then you also have the lens servo connection which makes it the perfect convo with the 24-105 RF 2.8. I'm upgrading from the c300 mkiii to the c400. I just love that body type. Then I would run my r5c for all the gimbal stuff and b cam. But I would lie if I said this release wasn't really tempting. Two grand is a lot of money! I would love to see that c400 vs c80 video too!
I’m looking forward to making this exact video. For me personally, I want a c400 as my A cam and c80 as my B cam
Don’t forget the C400’s 6k 60fps is important for weddings and sports and the C80 is limited to 6k 30fps
Thank you for making a video for actual freelancers and not just camera nerds. Super fun to hear your perspective! I thiiiiiiiiink I'm going to stick with my C70 for now because I fit into that corporate category you described where none of the upgrades really make their way to the client enough to justify the cost. Going to pre-order the 1200x instead!
Thanks for watching, and thanks for the kind words! I just watched your Theos / c70 video. I saw the 1200x and I think I’ll end up adding one of those to my kit in a few months. That’s such an insane light.
I've seen several C80/C70 comparison videos with comment sections full of RUclips community members that all feel the c70 bests the C80 in image quality, with most claiming that the C70 offers better DR, color bit depth and of course that je ne sais quoi “filmic” factor.
Could it be that they just prefer the C70’s softer, low contrast look (easily achievable in Resolve or with filters)?
What about highlight roll off, how do the cameras compare?
Appreciate your insights!
More C80 videos coming soon?? Thinking about picking one up, just have an R5II & KX right now
Nice, the camera can do 6K Raw - not bad. But I would much rather have an h265 with a 6k video codec, why are you so resistant to it? Canon?
I don’t make the choices for them but I would imagine the thought is if they want higher res they can have raw, or if they want the “everyday normal jobs” kind of codec they have 4k
@@GriffinConway Raw isn't an option for me due to the file size, but I need higher resolution for reframing and stabilizing a 4K master. Oversampled 4K material can only be reframed by about 20 percent without noticeable loss; otherwise, the drop in sharpness becomes apparent in the film, or the previous shots appear too sharp. That's why a 6K codec, like the one Panasonic offers in their mirrorless cameras, would be a better choice.
Is it just my phone, or is there a lot of white noise in the audio?
Salute to another Excellent video detailing a Canon Cinema Camera ... You covered all the points of why my check book is Wide open for the C80, Extra sharpness from the 6K sensor to diffuse in post if desired is preferred, Triple Base ISO "You're 12,800 footage looks Clean AF", SDI port and last but definitely not least that DPAF2 is game changer, reminds of built in ND's at one time people would say you don't need that for a cinema camera and NOW the big boys i.e. Raptor XL is using built in ND's. I"m excited for this camera as well as the content you're going to be unleashing, Keep up great work!
I'm in the same boat bro, I have C500 II and C70. Thinking of upgrading both to C400 and C80...I shoot mostly Corporate and weddings. both have some really good improvements but are they enough of an improvement to upgrade. I think if I had the money to upgrade without having to sell the OGs it would be a no brainer for me...definitely have some decisions to make.
I’m literally in the same boat. Thinking through those same thoughts right now. I will make a video once I figure out the answer! Haha
@@GriffinConway thankfully we have a little time before we have to decide.
Every time I see a new Griffin Conway video drop, I get excited. I have a C70 right now, great camera. I'd LOVE to get my hands on the new C80, but if I'm being honest, I don't need it, yet. C70 is definitely old reliable. I'd love your thoughts on the R5C, specifically how the autofocus has worked for you and how you work around the atrocious power limitations? Thanks man.
Griffin, this is the review I’ve been waiting for 🎉
Thanks for watching Tyler!
07:12 Did you do color matching? Or was it converted to rec709 using CST node?
The only review I was looking for yesterday 😂
Haha better late than never 😂
Love the video! I want one haha. When are we headed to the DEZ?!?!
Waited for the Griffin version of the C80 perspective. Didn't disappoint at all 💥
Absolutely have to get one. The only thing I don't like about my c70 is not being full frame. Bonus triple base iso is the cherry on top. Wish I got a chance to review ahead of time this is so helpful. Thanks man!
Thanks for watching!
Been waiting a long time for this camera and it looks to deliver. Does everything most people could need. C70 was amazing at the price point but required a few too many compromises to be perfect. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for watching and totally agree!
this camera seems to be the one we were waiting for 4 years ago, with a viewfinder...
Looking forward to seeing Sony's response. thanks for your Chanel .
Thanks for watching!
Question Griffin: What are you using to measure your 'over exposure' ? Canon's flip screen (exposure meter on the bottom)? or a SmallHD? or a BlackMagic 12G? Just curious how to compare on my C70/C80. Thank you again for everything you do!
Hey Ron! When doing my testing I usually just set proper exposure using false color and also creatively how I want it to look, then remove 2 stops of ND for 2 stops over, then remove 4 stops of ND for 4 stops etc
@@GriffinConway Ah, ok. Gotcha! Thanks a million times!
Griffin, for someone who’s just looking into getting their first cinema camera and doing a wide range of projects (documentaries, ad shoots, etc.) would you do the C80 or the new C400? Thanks in advance, really value your input🙏🏻
@@tanner_kirk I would go c80! You can save the rest of the money and put it towards other gear if needed or use it to get some courses and really learn to dial in lighting / interview setups etc
@ awesome, great point. Thanks Griffin! I’m gonna take your suggestion on this🙏🏻
I own a C70 and 2x R6's, planning on selling my C70 currently and saving a little bit for the C80.
Whilst I absolutely love the C70 from an ergonomics/practical pov, I find it to be super soft image-wise compared to even the R6.
Hoping the FF higher resolution C80 will suit my needs going forward.
The c80 is much sharper / more detailed than the c70. It should be a nice upgrade for you!
@@GriffinConway Thanks Griffin! I think if you have multiple C70's then it's okay because you can shot match and the footage is all uniform, but when trying to match the C70 to a FF camera the difference in sharpness is quite noticeable, and like you say in the video it's not really detail you can get through digital sharpening. And again punching in on the image from the C70 just isn't really an option either imo.
Really love your content btw and it's helped me so much to improve my craft, all the best from Ireland! 🇮🇪
when the C90 comes out it should implement the sensor and features of the R5C. Being a 8K sensor able to shoot RAW to 60P.
What if you have an R5 C and not just a regular R5? I was thinking about getting a C400 to be my A cam and having the R5 C be my b cam and gimbal cam as I am doing more doc work and doing more work that requires those outputs for client monitors. I mainly do Corporate work now, with some product commercial work here and there and the 8K Raw is AMAZING lol
Ya that would be a great setup. R5c as a lightweight gimbal cam and c400 as the main A cam with all the outputs. Then eventually add the c80 and you will have the whole family! Haha
@@GriffinConway Haha, Facts!
Thanks for great reviews. I am shooting adventure documentaries, and gradually stepping up. Last shoot was C70 (A cam) and R5 (B cam, tele), various RF lenses. I am trying to reduce edit/colouring issues. Would you recommend my purchase of C80 (A cam), C70 (B cam), R5 (tele) ... will the full frame v super 35 DGO etc be compatible?
The c70 and c80 will match almost perfect with no additional grading needed as long as they are both shot in clog2. The R5 will always need quite a bit of work to match the c70/c80. If you only need a few small clips you can shoot the r5 in raw and interpret the footage as clog 2 which will make it match pretty well..
Great work bud. Practical use. That's what matters. Gonna keep my C400 order and down the road sell 2 C70's for an upgrade to the C80. Probably for that super reliable AF & triple ISO, works for me!
Broncos and Canons... a good work day.
Right on Scottie! I think I will probably do the same for mine.
Curious, Griffin… can you take still images on the fly with this camera - or put it into still image mode to capture a moment?
Hey Mike! Short answer: yes.....longer answer, No. It can technically capture images but only in jpeg (not raw) and ergonomically it is not set up for it. You would be better off in almost all circumstances using a still camera to supplement this camera if you need to take still photos as well.
@@GriffinConway- thanks for the reply
So my question is in a lot of cases I do you use Auto WB. I know you shouldn't but is it better in the C80? The colors always seamed off on the C70 esp wihen shooting with other cameras like the R5 and R3. Also do you prefer clog 2 or 3? Since I have the 2 R52's now.
GREAT VIDEO AS ALWAYS!
I noticed the mirrorless cameras tend to be slightly cooler/whiter compared to the cinema cameras. The little secret tip I have for you is when you walk in to a room, turn on auto WB on the c70/c80. Once you see what the color temp is, manually set it to that. For example if the camera is 4800k WB and you want it to look warmer, just set it to manual and adjust to 5000k or 5200k.
@ yes I noticed that myself. So just set my R52 for example to a warmer setting or vise versa? Do you like clog2 or 3 more? I’ve seen that canon is putting clog2 in there mirrorless cameras now
Terrific video 🔥 Looking forward to more C80 videos from you and your opinion using it in the field.
Thanks so much!
Great video Griffin! I can really tell the AF is improved. Can't wait to try out the triple ISO and get my hands on this camera.
Nice Roman! I think you will love it! Such a good camera
I’m trying to decide between the C400 or Komodo X. The factors are dynamic range, picture quality and AF. I’d love to hear your thoughts about this
This was the review I was waiting for - Thanks Griffin. I was looking to add a B Cam for my C70 and instead this would be perfect.
Hey Alvin! Yes I think this will be a great addition. Thanks for watching!
Is the C80's autofocus on par with the new R5M2 or more like the first generation?
I'm surprised that the C80 doesn't have the AI tracking functions for vehicles that have been on board the R5 since the first generation.
I don't understand Canon's product philosophy. But that has been the case for several years.
Good stuff, Griffin! I'm especially curious to hear about color/shot matching between the c80 and c70! Thanks!
They look really similar! Color matches great with no work to my eyes
@@GriffinConway excellent!!!
Great video, tried putting a cheese plate on the bottom of the c70 and then a Manfrotto plate on the cheese plate?
For the c70 I just use the bright tangerine cage and it fixes it
@@GriffinConway Even better 😁👌
Hi Griffin, great video!
I’m thinking about upgrading to the C80. I have EF lenses and I’m curious what adapter I will need to work with the C80?
This review was legit!! Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts!
Thank you for watching Dale!
Starting to learn that the reason cinema cameras add on stuff like raw and 4k and we’re like wait my mirror less has this is because in conception nothing else matters but the Dr of the sensor and the functioning of the camera your phone has 4k a ok cam
Starting to see a lot more companies taking the arri approach
Hey Griffin, would you trust the C80 AF for fast paced team sports videography?
Loved the C300 III/C70 combo for the past 3-4 years and also love the idea of full frame C400/C80 combo, mostly because all Canon lenses are made for an optimized for full-frame cameras and producers are asking for full frame cameras more and more. Would love that 24-105mm f2.8 and the new 35mm F1.4 VC (or upcoming 24 and 50mm f1.4) and call it a day with those two cams.
Hey Curren, been enjoying your videos lately. Yes I agree. C400/c80 will be a great combo. Probably going to be my a cam b cam for the next few years.
@@GriffinConway Aw thanks for watching. You've always been one of my faves on here, so nice to hear you've seen some of my vids. I think the same sensor/different form factors is very smart for camera brands - I do think it's one reason the FX6/FX3 combo did so well. C300III/C70 as well, but man everyone is clammering for full frame.
Hi ...regarding sharpness of the footage....how sharp is it compared to Sony and Red cameras? I am a wildlife shooter and always used my canon R5 for both stills and video. The whole market is now ruled by video so its only obvious thet one must look more into the video market to survive. I got rf lenses and 1 ef adapted ef rf canon 24-70 ...rf70-200 and 100-500 so would like to stay with canon because of the expense to go to sony or nikon. the canon R5ii some say video footage is a bit soft.....any input from your side as to comparison?
Would be very interested in seeing a quick underexposure test from you. Or, to make it more real-world: High contrast scene with very dark skin tone subject. The C70's shadow latitude is amazing to keep dark skin tones clean and detailed. From the C80 raw footage that I've tested so far, the new sensor is noticeably worse in that regard.
I should have the camera a few more days. I will try and make time to get this done!
can you use ef lenses including AF on the c80 with an adapter?
That triple base iso is a Win no need to consider FX6 anymore
How much sharper is the full frame 4k downsampled from 6k compared to the c70? I absolutely love my c70 but it find it soft sometimes, especially when trying to pull a green screen.
Thank you for this comparison!!
What do u mean pull a green screen?
It is much sharper on the c80
@@GriffinConway yes but low light full frame and auto focus make one really consider the upgrade to 6k c80
@@creativegreatsvisuals Extracting a green screen. Pulling is just what we call it in my circles.
@@keylanph why does the softness of a camera hurt when doing green screen? the Komodo is soft but good with green screen
Great review & I cannot wait to introduce the R5c to her new big brother. Quick question: why do you choose LongGOP over XF-AVC? Simply for file size or do you think the picture is better?
Sorry to clarify I chose XF-AVC Long Gop instead of XF-AVC All-I. The reason for this is they look almost the same and the long gop has much smaller files.
@@GriffinConway Gotchu. Thanks Griffin!
What about image stabilization?
I’m sure it’s decent with the 24-105 2.8 but how is IBIS? Thank you!
How did you find it matched between the c70 and c80, at clog 2 did you need to shift any magenta/green to match at all? They looks like they matched extremely well. Thanks!
Also still hoping they do like a higher end c80 / c90 that has a built in viewfinder, like a R1 style evf right on the body. One can dream.
I found they matched almost perfect with the exception being the c80 was more detailed and obviously full frame
@@GriffinConway amazing, I have found that the Sonys like the fx6 and fx3 and fx9’s all don’t really colour match. And have always been impressed with Canon’s colour matching between cameras.
What about the r5ii, it claims the same dynamic as the c70 and c80, do you think the image is comparable?
@@arthuro1140 I haven’t tested it yet so I’m not sure but it looks great from what I’ve seen so far
Hey Griffin! I've owned a C70 since launch and used it a lot, thanks for your thoughts. I was hoping you might mention build quality and the LCD screen, as that is probably my biggest gripe with my C70. I'm really hoping there is an improvement. Other than that I'd love the triple ISO and SDI but it wouldn't change my life so it might be sensible to hold off for a bit. Funny as well but with your side by side, I still find myself seeing a more organic and (sigh, I know) filmic vibe with the C70, but most of the production companies and corporate clients I work with would probably value the sharpness of the C80 more so there we go.
Do you think the C80 still kills the Red Komodo now that Red dropped the price of the 6k to $5k and the X to $7k? I guess neither has great AF though compared to the C70 OR the C80. I still have a C70 but am thinking of selling it off and getting the C80.
The Komodo has more dynamic range. With what used Komodos are selling for these days I'd buy one over a C80 personally. I don't use auto focus or high frame rates often though. To me the C70 is still an incredible deal especially used. Once the C80 drops I am sure we'll see a lot of C70's hit the market used.
I don’t think it’s necessarily a Komodo killer, at least for me. Shooting with our camera car the global shutter is a big deal to me, and so I’ll keep the Komodo. We also always use a matte box so it’s not a big deal to add in ND’s externally. That said, for any work I do outside of that I would grab my c70 (or eventually the c80 once I actually get one). Image is great, ND’s/Audio/Slow motion/low light/autofocus etc etc is all way better on the Canons.
@@GriffinConway I didn’t even know you had a Komodo and thought you were using the Canons for your car cams. The Red makes sense since that’s what they were designed for in the first place. Since you mentioned the NDs on the Red, I guess you are not using the RF to EF adapter with internal NDs on the Red? So you’re using RF lenses more now? I see you have the 24-105 2.8 now and it’s my next lens. I have my EF lenses for sale now since I find the RF lenses sooooo much nice and they seem to have shallower DOF and nicer bokeh as well as a better image than equivalent EF lenses. For example a RF 70-200 2.8 looks more like a 2.0 compared to a EF 70-200 2.8. I run an R5 as well but I’m not 💯 on the ND adapter anymore. I had to buy a clear filter for it when going outside to inside or swap out the EF adapter. Having a screw on ND filter isn’t so bad for that one camera when you get the benefits of RF. I’ll keep the adapters for some special lenses, but I think it’s time to let the canon EF lenses go.
"..i dont know what camera im going to trade out.." - Says the man who just listed all the cameras in his arsenal haha! Love your work Griffin awesome to see you're automotive these days!
Haha I’m a camera hoarder 😂 thanks for watching!
Griffin Great review like always!!! Are you going to miss the 6k 60p raw a lot?
A sharper image is over rated but the enhanced auto focus is of interest. I would prefer the c70 DGO sensor in FF format with C80's auto focus.
Hey Griffin. Great video first of all. Love your work. I'm currently rocking an R5 and R5C with a couple RF lenses as well as EF. I shoot various things including weddings, events, short films, and corporate stuff. I wanted to get your thoughts on whether the C80 would be the right choice or if I should grab a used C70 at a discounted rate. Appreciate your input. Thanks!
Hi! What camera and lens was used to shoot your video? Thanks!!
I shot this video on the canon c70 with the canon .71 focal reducer and the canon 35mm 1.4L lens
@@GriffinConway looks really good. The softer look of the c70 seems to looks more filmic than the c80
I was looking at a C70 used for $3500 and thought that was a good deal. Came to RUclips to see if people still like using it this year and just found out a C80 is out. For me this year I just purchases a Canon R7 which covers a lot of things I want and maybe I'll get a C70 at some point in the future if I want more.
I'd say the C70 is still a great camera and a great deal for $3500.
Can use the speed booster on the c80 to get a large formate VV style??
Hi I have a question for you, is the file size the same as C70? The good thing about the C70 is that the file size is small.
Yoooo Griffey, dope vid! Currently C70/R3 shooter! C400 was callin my name but the C80 is calling now !
Oh ya! Nice this will be a great upgrade
Why? The C400 is better, 6k 60 and dual cf express card slots
@@hawaiifreespeechnews Cause this is the same sensor as C400 and its all I need. Cameras are made for diff people. C400 is nice but I can get the things I need in C80 and be a lil cheaper. That's why!!
Still loving my C70. It's a great camera for me. I sprung for the Bright Tangerine cage. Love it. At the moment I cannot justify an upgrade as C70 and RF glass pair real well. If I have a goodly budget, A camera is likely an Arri Alexa. The C70 has pulled its weight. So many times I have shot it on scout days and ended using the footage. It's still a great camera. Would I love to have full frame? Yes, but at the moment, I'm sticking with what I got.
Great to pair with S35 Alexas.
Hey Joe! Yes totally agree. The c70 still is amazing and I have paired it with the Alexa mini on multiple commercial shoots when we need a small camera. How are you liking the bright tangerine cage? For me it fixed the mounting hole issue in the bottom I was talking about. Anyways hope you are doing great! Thanks for watching.
Also the new one doesn’t have DGO so it’s interesting to see someone comparing the dynamic range. I am still waiting to buy a camera but I would still consider a used C70 over the C80. I am conservative.
@@benp712 You should get a great deal on a C70. A lot of this buzz is hype. Once it dies down the best camera in the world will be the one you have in your hands. C70 is plenty good if you love what you are shooting.
@@GriffinConway Love Bright Tangerine cage. Their kit is great. When you buy it you cry, but you only cry once.
Does this camera take still photos?
Technically it can do screen grabs but not proper raw photos like a dedicated stills cam
One thing I found really interesting is the power consumption of the C80. Even with the added 6k sensors, the downscaling and the 12g SDI port, you are still getting about 2hours shooting 4k XFAVC, oddly you get even more when shooting raw! Lol.
At the highest power draw is pulling about 19watts, very similar to the sony fx6, while the c400 is pulling about 31watts vs lets say the FX9 pullling 36watts, or the Burano at 50watts. The C80 still sips battery even with the higher resolution sensor and sdi port. It's does really feel like a generation leap for sure.
I noticed that as well. I really feel like this is a doc shooters dream camera of anyone who does travel / adventure filmmaking. Having to run around with less batteries is so nice and not having to worry about switching batteries for interviews either.
What do you think of the Canon R1 vs C80? Do you think there is a huge difference in image quality? 🙈
I haven't tested the r1 so I can't really say. Hope to try it out on the channel though!
@ ahh alright, definitely looking forward to it! Great content as always
What are the limitations of long gop? Like when there is really a lot of motion or handheld camera movement, do you have issues then or is still looking perfectly good?
For me I never can really tell a difference other than it doesn’t edit as smooth on my computer, but since I usually edit with proxies it’s no big deal to me.
C80 is a no brainer for me. I’ll definitely be picking one up. Right now I run a c70 as an a-cam and r5c as a b-cam. So this fits perfectly in my workflow and budget.
Awesome Nate! That will be a great setup. Feel free to use the link above to support the channel 🙌
I wish they released a full-frame 4K DGO sensor. Imagine the dynamic range on that one...
Still, it's a great time to be in the market for a C70 now, which is a great camera.
It would prob be the same as the c70 is.. it being full frame doesn’t suddenly add DR. Look at the arri’s, they get all that DR with a DGO sensor that’s super35 size. Canon would need to just optimize the way DGO works but it wouldn’t automatically be a gain in DR if they made it full frame.
@@ItsBerg you need backlit sensor instead DGO for better autofocus performance.
Ya I agree! I wouldn’t be surprised if they did some thing like that in the future at a much higher price point,
If they did a larger version of the C70 sensor you'd see a jump in image quality, something like two sensors stitched together like the Alexa LF.
I am currently running OGR5 & OG R6 for video. (Also have XL1 & XL-H1 Camcorders.) I think an R5c or C70 would be the best choice for me.
Ya if you do photo/video r5c could be good, or if you can swing it, keep one of your current cams and then get a c70 as an A cam