People that don't have or have never had a nice running carb car will never understand how nice and simple it is. My 66 coupe has been sitting outside for 6 weeks, temps in the 20s and 30s. Went out and fired right up yesterday.
28:49 I've brought this up multiple times in the past 2 years to friends/family. Since covid everyone has been acting super on edge. Once the mandates eased and people "went back to normal" it's like they forgot how to act. And I'm in texas where we didnt see half the stuff that went down in like new york and cali. Its like everyone is in a sort of fight or flight response constantly.
Sorry about all your issues, but thanks for the info. You and two other friends I race with have had motor issue after motor issue on built gt500s. You guys make me want to stay stock SEALT as long as I can.
Me and buddy spent 5yrs building a 93 notch.. full build, carbon tubs floors thru out, double frame rail, 25/2 funny car chromoly cage, billet bbc, built our own single turbo kit w/118mm precision..santuff strut front, fab 9, m&m 400, literally everything the best shit.. goal was bottom 4's.. got it all done running, made 2310 wheel on only 18psi, and it scaled in at 2360lbs w/o driver since nearly the whole car was carbon, but you couldn't tell as it was all painted, doors, fenders, hood trunk, full floors, tubs, everything.. Our setup had low backpressure and was said to be able to run 35-40lbs safely.. The paint job was 10k alone, it was so much of a love and so nice, we didnt' have the heart to destroy it taking it racing..or the funds to be competitive when we eventually started leaning on it and breaking shit, which is inevitable at that level.. Took it to a few car shows and cruise ins, posted some quick vids of the dyno runs on yellow bullet and the owner of Texas speed was looking for a turn key car and offered $135k cash.. We had tons of time that didn't get accounted for, but only had about 75-80k in the car, so sold it without ever making a pass other than on the hub.. never let go of the tbrake one single time.. Had to come to reality and realize there was no way for us normal guys to compete at that level, and would be a financial nightmare.. Should have never went that far with it.. Literally went from Indiana to Atlanta to buy the billet short block in his wifes old camry worth about $7k, and drove home with a $35k billet bbc in the fukin back seat.. We were completely out of our league since this level of car has exploded in the last 5yrs but kept on pushing forward.. It was a great learning experience, and no money was lost, but the time wasted was crazy, insane amounts of time spent in a garage, endless nights of welding, grinding, and just pissed off worn out weekends and week nights for literally years.. Sadness, and full on relief was felt when it left the driveway, done with drag racing.. bought a 22 SS 1LE and might his some road courses some day, but at 43 my racing days are over for ever..
I feel you Alex. It blows my mind that people that I consider "young", are considered the experts that run machines in engine machine shops. I've returned many parts to various machine shops over the years that I've verified to be sh*t. I used to say "trust but verify" but lately you can't trust anything. I think all the old school machinists have retired, and the new breed just doesn't have the skills or gives a darn about turning out quality work. I've bought tooling and measurement devices to verify everything. It's saved my butt many times over the years.
You mean "internet experts" everything they read on the internet is true. Like bearing locating tabs keep bearing from spinning no its called bearing crash. Oil cannot get behind bearings when it does. Piston rings gaps have to be set certain way and rings don't turn in cyl. Rings do turn in cyl and if they didn't they will stick causing oil consumption problem. I seen tests putting all ring gaps together, run engine, take it apart and they all turn. How oil wicks up main bolt that blind hole. Main caps walk in the block wearing block and cap. Cummins puts gasket eliminator on parting surface to keep oil out on main caps
@@YDBT4LIFE I didn't say he was incorrect and I was talking about how internet experts how never had engine apart but sure talk like they have. But I've had old guys mess up set of heads too. My 351 4V heads he put in ductile iron guilds in with stainless steel valves. It ate valve stems and drop valve that big intake valve 2.19 head. Took hugh chuck out of forge piston and pushed piston into cyl splitting it from top to bottom. Had to start over with another engine. Amazing part didn't bend the rod but still didn't use it again
If you are willing to do a bit of traveling I recommend performance plus out of Saskatoon, SK, Canada. The shop car is a 5.4 Kenny bell car, they have been around the mustang game a long time and have done great work on my gt500 motor. As well as many other GT500s in Canada.
I've been noticing a decline as well as far back as 2017ish. Everything has just gotten way more unpredictable and covid, and FJB expedited the decline of quality in parts inflation
TKM performance built me and my son motor which are ford strokers They build a lot of fast coyote engines. Maybe they can help out. They build Cletus Mcfarlands ford engines as well
I think the biggest takeaway from all of this is to not buy someone else’s project. I bought a HCI foxbody with a pretty fresh rebuild which I thought was a finished car and would not do it again. They had the thermostat backwards, had the intake bolts finger tight, timing at 8, adjustment screws on the carb weren’t even, and left the valve rotators on after installing a cam which failed and could have been catastrophic. At the end of the day, no one dumps a bunch of money into a car just to sell it if it is perfect.
Alex, we have a 2022 F150 5.0. When can we start looking for the LTX and tune being released? Can't wait to see what Lund can do with this platform. Thank you for all the great content and hard work brother
Love your comment on Michael ! I agree the best OG Mod motor builder . his shop is doing my 5.8 and over seeing some . I agree with you so many shop sending there shit to other people. It’s like someone people were recommending modular, head shop they were sending their blocks to L&M Michael to sleeve them ! Not a complete engine builder in my opinion . Here’s a perfect example when modular head shop Tour down Andrew Schumer’s 5.8 apart he didn’t even know they had heavy metal in the crank from the factory . Good luck 🍀 on everything only few good head guys in the country on 5.4/5.8
At this rate you’ll pretty much have your own shop. This blows and makes me think of all the other customers without platforms like you who’ve had this experience.
Believe it or not. Based on his experience, I think he's the handful of last og legit people that really grasp the ohc ford engine. From a mechanical aspect and a tuning aspect as he was a 4v guy 1st
Lol, oh man. Laughing my tail off. Guys that comment to you need to know what they are talking about or get held accountable. It is entertaining, though, and we learn something along the way. Thanks Alex, just started watching these and what an awesome forum!
Me personally I always thought of the gt500 as bolt on car never heard of anyone really having a long lasting car versus a bolt on car that you could drive around all the time
My 2in AHRs I put on last year, were hitting the front subframe near the bushing on the passenger side. Id look there when you get it put back together. The car never pulled timing so i never noticed it.
If I am not mistaken, wasn't Wonder Racing the one who built the last Grey Goose motor and then it broke, and it came back with the FFRE engine for World Cup? Lund has lots of things behind closed doors that they keep quiet...
They don't re-bore cam bores its called new cyl head. Many have tried boring out cam bore and put in bearing, Also changes valve train geometry With amount of time involved "trying" to save cyl head cheaper to get another one
@@matthewnosal6893 I have too but also seen them spin making bigger mess then they were trying to solve. There is reason why Ford didn't put bearing there. Most of wear in the cap not on head side. Spring pressure pushes cam up into caps.
My local motor builder has a line bore.. They are rare but do exist, that is how ford built them.. You torque the caps and a big long bar goes in and does them all at once... OHC is awesome, I got fucked 15yrs ago on a built and sleeved 4.6 and sold everything and went back to push rod cam in block.. Once your above 1500.. its all expensive, might as well have something I can work on myself..
Section h8 is now The Professor, i thought about Yale or Princeton but thats cheesy. Cant be Oxford, it would have been perfect if it was white though.
Mr Mike at L&M built mine, Rich Groh who does or did engines for JPC did my cousins twin turbo 5.4, had no issues if you're considering someone. Good luck
Not that its any of my business, but I know some people that used to run in the "wonder racing" circle..Full on homies, yet found his dark secrets over time.. He not only like to go fast in cars.. He likes the "go fast" stuff you smoke/snort.. And not the stuff that built Miami, the bathtub shit that rots your teeth from Mexico.. Its kinda fucked up from some stories that I have heard.. These guys that I have heard from, don't have anything to do with him anymore for that exact reason.. His wife found stuff left all over their bathroom countertop if you know what I mean.. then they started paying attention and it was obvious.. Good luck getting any money or anything back from him if he still on that shit, cuz its up in smoke if he is.. You are smart as I have learned to to trust anyone either..
You know what I think happened after Covi, IMO people got lazy after the free money and people would pay whatever price to get something, now they have to actually work, they don't put pride into their work and just want the money to use on own projects
The company I work for now, Union Construction Co, paid a dealer to service all their equipment, I see all the old invoices in my maintenance logs for each machine, so during 2020/21 their prices doubled for filters, oil, and hr rate and charged drive time for each piece of equipment even though they would do 3 pieces of equipment on the same job... So they hired me to do that job now. It was cheaper for them to put me in Union, pay all the extra benefits, and my HR rate between 85-95k a year than to have the dealer do it. I also do other things when everything is caught up. It was better for the company all around and its a cake job I take pride in.. also benefited from classes the Union does for free to learn Hyd systems, emission systems and welding.
Yes feels like timeline being messed with. After Covid seems quality of parts has gone down at least at Ford but I think it happened around time the CEO at Ford was getting ready for EV’s. I got ill so I sent my GT500 to Ford to put it back to stock in case I pasted away and leave it to someone. My thoughts were then they could go to the dealer for service. Sad thing it never went in to fail safe before but it was bit too complex for most shops. Guess they put factory tune back most of time runs great but once in a while it fails safes now if driving to slow like in traffic. Rest time great. Think idle set little low. Dealer said give 6 months to figure it out or pickup the car. Looks like issue was with new TSP couldn’t adjust it to low enough setting before I’d just change TSP everything be fine I will get it set but adds bit more work
Props for doing a 90-minute livestream while being sick and feeling like shit. Full of great information and many laughs, as always. Hope you and the GT500 engine get well soon! 👍🏼
People that don't have or have never had a nice running carb car will never understand how nice and simple it is. My 66 coupe has been sitting outside for 6 weeks, temps in the 20s and 30s. Went out and fired right up yesterday.
GT500 is the "Perpetual Student"
28:49 I've brought this up multiple times in the past 2 years to friends/family. Since covid everyone has been acting super on edge. Once the mandates eased and people "went back to normal" it's like they forgot how to act. And I'm in texas where we didnt see half the stuff that went down in like new york and cali. Its like everyone is in a sort of fight or flight response constantly.
So true!
Catching the replay! Loved the Turn 5 Justin Dugan interview!
Name the car "The Hard Way"...cuz thats the best way to learn.
I feel you with the allergies. I use Flonase and it does wonders for me.
You should call it “Budget Deficit”.
Mustang Magic has been doing it since 1990. They know each mustang from front to back.
Thanks!
Wow ty
Sorry about all your issues, but thanks for the info. You and two other friends I race with have had motor issue after motor issue on built gt500s. You guys make me want to stay stock SEALT as long as I can.
Me and buddy spent 5yrs building a 93 notch.. full build, carbon tubs floors thru out, double frame rail, 25/2 funny car chromoly cage, billet bbc, built our own single turbo kit w/118mm precision..santuff strut front, fab 9, m&m 400, literally everything the best shit.. goal was bottom 4's.. got it all done running, made 2310 wheel on only 18psi, and it scaled in at 2360lbs w/o driver since nearly the whole car was carbon, but you couldn't tell as it was all painted, doors, fenders, hood trunk, full floors, tubs, everything.. Our setup had low backpressure and was said to be able to run 35-40lbs safely.. The paint job was 10k alone, it was so much of a love and so nice, we didnt' have the heart to destroy it taking it racing..or the funds to be competitive when we eventually started leaning on it and breaking shit, which is inevitable at that level.. Took it to a few car shows and cruise ins, posted some quick vids of the dyno runs on yellow bullet and the owner of Texas speed was looking for a turn key car and offered $135k cash.. We had tons of time that didn't get accounted for, but only had about 75-80k in the car, so sold it without ever making a pass other than on the hub.. never let go of the tbrake one single time.. Had to come to reality and realize there was no way for us normal guys to compete at that level, and would be a financial nightmare.. Should have never went that far with it.. Literally went from Indiana to Atlanta to buy the billet short block in his wifes old camry worth about $7k, and drove home with a $35k billet bbc in the fukin back seat.. We were completely out of our league since this level of car has exploded in the last 5yrs but kept on pushing forward.. It was a great learning experience, and no money was lost, but the time wasted was crazy, insane amounts of time spent in a garage, endless nights of welding, grinding, and just pissed off worn out weekends and week nights for literally years.. Sadness, and full on relief was felt when it left the driveway, done with drag racing.. bought a 22 SS 1LE and might his some road courses some day, but at 43 my racing days are over for ever..
I feel you Alex. It blows my mind that people that I consider "young", are considered the experts that run machines in engine machine shops. I've returned many parts to various machine shops over the years that I've verified to be sh*t. I used to say "trust but verify" but lately you can't trust anything. I think all the old school machinists have retired, and the new breed just doesn't have the skills or gives a darn about turning out quality work. I've bought tooling and measurement devices to verify everything. It's saved my butt many times over the years.
You mean "internet experts" everything they read on the internet is true. Like bearing locating tabs keep bearing from spinning no its called bearing crash. Oil cannot get behind bearings when it does. Piston rings gaps have to be set certain way and rings don't turn in cyl. Rings do turn in cyl and if they didn't they will stick causing oil consumption problem. I seen tests putting all ring gaps together, run engine, take it apart and they all turn. How oil wicks up main bolt that blind hole. Main caps walk in the block wearing block and cap. Cummins puts gasket eliminator on parting surface to keep oil out on main caps
@@pdmustgtd1013 no he's correct. Kids running machines being no older than 30 saying they are the go to for modular stuff is hilarious to me
@@YDBT4LIFE I didn't say he was incorrect and I was talking about how internet experts how never had engine apart but sure talk like they have. But I've had old guys mess up set of heads too. My 351 4V heads he put in ductile iron guilds in with stainless steel valves. It ate valve stems and drop valve that big intake valve 2.19 head. Took hugh chuck out of forge piston and pushed piston into cyl splitting it from top to bottom. Had to start over with another engine. Amazing part didn't bend the rod but still didn't use it again
Call the car “Student Loans” and ask Biden to pay it back to you.
New name for Section Hate; Ivy League. You have paid Harvard/Princeton tuition rates!
When its not your money, it's easy to tell someone what to do. You have enough resources that can give you enough insight.
Can you show us the quick jacks in action , I hadn’t heard of them till now .
Lol love this thumbnail. Tim McAmis is a LEGEND.
@ 8:02 warning for headphone users.
Keeping with the theme... "Tuition money".
If you are willing to do a bit of traveling I recommend performance plus out of Saskatoon, SK, Canada.
The shop car is a 5.4 Kenny bell car, they have been around the mustang game a long time and have done great work on my gt500 motor. As well as many other GT500s in Canada.
New name for the car..... Sting Rhea i mean Sting Ray
I've been noticing a decline as well as far back as 2017ish. Everything has just gotten way more unpredictable and covid, and FJB expedited the decline of quality in parts inflation
TKM performance built me and my son motor which are ford strokers They build a lot of fast coyote engines. Maybe they can help out. They build Cletus Mcfarlands ford engines as well
Need to name that car remedial
I think the biggest takeaway from all of this is to not buy someone else’s project. I bought a HCI foxbody with a pretty fresh rebuild which I thought was a finished car and would not do it again. They had the thermostat backwards, had the intake bolts finger tight, timing at 8, adjustment screws on the carb weren’t even, and left the valve rotators on after installing a cam which failed and could have been catastrophic. At the end of the day, no one dumps a bunch of money into a car just to sell it if it is perfect.
Name idea for GT500... Money Pit
I might be a window licker, but at least I'm not Turvi.
"Triple B" - Name (Build Back Better)
Cramology
Alex went full I AM LEGEND!
They call for expensive shit and none of them make over 100k a year. Trust me 75 percent these guys are making 60k a year and are broke boys.
Alex, we have a 2022 F150 5.0. When can we start looking for the LTX and tune being released? Can't wait to see what Lund can do with this platform. Thank you for all the great content and hard work brother
I missed this, had to work. Watching now happy new year to everyone!
How about "Peasant Grant" ? For Section H8
Love your comment on Michael ! I agree the best OG Mod motor builder . his shop is doing my 5.8 and over seeing some . I agree with you so many shop sending there shit to other people.
It’s like someone people were recommending modular, head shop they were sending their blocks to L&M Michael to sleeve them ! Not a complete engine builder in my opinion .
Here’s a perfect example when modular head shop Tour down Andrew Schumer’s 5.8 apart he didn’t even know they had heavy metal in the crank from the factory .
Good luck 🍀 on everything only few good head guys in the country on 5.4/5.8
At this rate you’ll pretty much have your own shop. This blows and makes me think of all the other customers without platforms like you who’ve had this experience.
A silver lining is you have Jon Sr to help you with the assembly and setup. Not that it makes it all better, but it's something.
Believe it or not. Based on his experience, I think he's the handful of last og legit people that really grasp the ohc ford engine. From a mechanical aspect and a tuning aspect as he was a 4v guy 1st
@@YDBT4LIFEfuckin with Lightning’s paid off for once lol
Lol, oh man. Laughing my tail off. Guys that comment to you need to know what they are talking about or get held accountable. It is entertaining, though, and we learn something along the way. Thanks Alex, just started watching these and what an awesome forum!
Me personally I always thought of the gt500 as bolt on car never heard of anyone really having a long lasting car versus a bolt on car that you could drive around all the time
They’re quick cars and coffee cars, I love them but I’d never push one past the capabilities of a stock blower or a 2.3 on a 5.4.
My 2in AHRs I put on last year, were hitting the front subframe near the bushing on the passenger side. Id look there when you get it put back together. The car never pulled timing so i never noticed it.
Name it college fund or 529 plan
If I am not mistaken, wasn't Wonder Racing the one who built the last Grey Goose motor and then it broke, and it came back with the FFRE engine for World Cup? Lund has lots of things behind closed doors that they keep quiet...
🤔
Have to call section H8 “The College Fund”
Built not bought. True today as much as it ever was. Anyone one with a credit card can be fast, but a credit card doesn't buy you cred.
Shadetree Degree
I just did the motor drama on a boat that had a brand new motor with “Warrenty “ and of course it blew 2nd pull 😵💫
They don't re-bore cam bores its called new cyl head. Many have tried boring out cam bore and put in bearing, Also changes valve train geometry With amount of time involved "trying" to save cyl head cheaper to get another one
I have seen cam bearings installed on some 4.6/5.4 two valve engines. Blew my mind. Looked like mini rod bearings. This is from Ford AER.
@@matthewnosal6893 I have too but also seen them spin making bigger mess then they were trying to solve. There is reason why Ford didn't put bearing there. Most of wear in the cap not on head side. Spring pressure pushes cam up into caps.
My local motor builder has a line bore.. They are rare but do exist, that is how ford built them.. You torque the caps and a big long bar goes in and does them all at once... OHC is awesome, I got fucked 15yrs ago on a built and sleeved 4.6 and sold everything and went back to push rod cam in block.. Once your above 1500.. its all expensive, might as well have something I can work on myself..
@@pdmustgtd1013 I know what the cam is doing with the caps. I was just stating that you don’t have to have new heads. The are repairable.
I know what line bore is but you forgot they remove metal from cap first.
Section h8 is now The Professor, i thought about Yale or Princeton but thats cheesy. Cant be Oxford, it would have been perfect if it was white though.
Mr Mike at L&M built mine, Rich Groh who does or did engines for JPC did my cousins twin turbo 5.4, had no issues if you're considering someone. Good luck
Happy New Year Alex!!!
Alex- name your car Blue Balls
I love my quick jacks. They were expensive but well worth it. It’s nice being able to lower and raise the car without removing jack stands every time.
My guy! Early Happy New Years!!
Not that its any of my business, but I know some people that used to run in the "wonder racing" circle..Full on homies, yet found his dark secrets over time.. He not only like to go fast in cars.. He likes the "go fast" stuff you smoke/snort.. And not the stuff that built Miami, the bathtub shit that rots your teeth from Mexico.. Its kinda fucked up from some stories that I have heard.. These guys that I have heard from, don't have anything to do with him anymore for that exact reason.. His wife found stuff left all over their bathroom countertop if you know what I mean.. then they started paying attention and it was obvious.. Good luck getting any money or anything back from him if he still on that shit, cuz its up in smoke if he is.. You are smart as I have learned to to trust anyone either..
I mean I don't know any of that. Lmao but he's not getting any money or recommendations from me.
“WonderU”
The new name = Wonder Bread ($) lol
experimental tuition .
I know a lot about engine building but since I'm poor my knowledge is useless 😂.....
I don’t think people realize there is a huge difference between a builder and an assembler. Definitely find a builder.
Would love to see what exotic car Jay Walker recommends that is “headache” free. In the market for something that doesn’t suck.
PITCOIN Since it’s a money pit now( sorry about that Alex) and bitcoin is worth /cost a lot of money . Suggestion.
Keep up what you are doing we enjoy hearing…
Best go with the devil you know unless you are sure it’s everything you want…
You know what I think happened after Covi, IMO people got lazy after the free money and people would pay whatever price to get something, now they have to actually work, they don't put pride into their work and just want the money to use on own projects
The company I work for now, Union Construction Co, paid a dealer to service all their equipment, I see all the old invoices in my maintenance logs for each machine, so during 2020/21 their prices doubled for filters, oil, and hr rate and charged drive time for each piece of equipment even though they would do 3 pieces of equipment on the same job... So they hired me to do that job now. It was cheaper for them to put me in Union, pay all the extra benefits, and my HR rate between 85-95k a year than to have the dealer do it. I also do other things when everything is caught up. It was better for the company all around and its a cake job I take pride in.. also benefited from classes the Union does for free to learn Hyd systems, emission systems and welding.
Call it H8 Year Degree
the (black -N-Decker engine wrecker ) new name for Fairmont . happy new year 💥 better roads ahead!!!
Yes feels like timeline being messed with. After Covid seems quality of parts has gone down at least at Ford but I think it happened around time the CEO at Ford was getting ready for EV’s. I got ill so I sent my GT500 to Ford to put it back to stock in case I pasted away and leave it to someone. My thoughts were then they could go to the dealer for service. Sad thing it never went in to fail safe before but it was bit too complex for most shops. Guess they put factory tune back most of time runs great but once in a while it fails safes now if driving to slow like in traffic. Rest time great. Think idle set little low. Dealer said give 6 months to figure it out or pickup the car. Looks like issue was with new TSP couldn’t adjust it to low enough setting before I’d just change TSP everything be fine I will get it set but adds bit more work
Also, time for a 3rd garage?
I need something for sure
Missed the live… car name idea Section Rheaped
Yeah but what might have happened waaas , cam cap swapped cap could of had a oil passage
Student debt should be section h8s new name
Happy new year tio
What’s up Tio!!
estafa- idea for a new name
Need a Jean grey v2
Props for doing a 90-minute livestream while being sick and feeling like shit. Full of great information and many laughs, as always. Hope you and the GT500 engine get well soon! 👍🏼
I think EPA meant Theif instead of Keith
Gynecologist for section h8
Wonderition
Ayooo