Preamp Shootout - Peavey 6505+
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- This is a comparison for different tubes in the preamp section. For positions V3, V4, and V6, the tubes are Sovtek LPS, Sovtek LPS, and JJ respectively.
Here is the preamp tube assignments:
V6=Rhythm
V1,V2,V5 = Lead (V1 is input)
V3= FX
V4= PI
Note these differences are very subtle, but there are differences. Also, be aware power tubes will have a greater contribution to the sound.
Gear used:
Peavey 6505+
Mesa Boogie Rectifier Cab
ISP Decimator
Boss NS-2
Rockbox Boiling Point
DBX 231 EQ
ESP EC 1000
Recording
Shure SM 57
Apogee ONE
Logic
Imac
1:52 JJ (V1-2-3) clean
2:13 JJ (V1-2-3) lead
3:04 Tung sol (V1) and JJ (V2-3) clean
3:25 Tung sol (V1) and JJ (V2-3) lead
4:14 Electro Harmonix (V1-2-3) clean
4:35 Electro Harmonix (V1-2-3) lead
5:27 Tung sol (V1) and Electro Harmonix (V2-3) clean
5:48 Tung sol (V1) and Electro Harmonix (V2-3) lead
6:50 Tung sol (V1), Penta Labs (V2) and Electro Harmonix (V3) clean
7:10 Tung sol (V1), Penta Labs (V2) and Electro Harmonix (V3) lead
For the high gain that you're playing, I liked the EH in all positions tone. The tone was tighter and there was less oscillation due to the heavy distortion. Thanks for the demo!
No but for recording, you may want these subtle differences to add to your guitar tone. Like I said, these differences are very subtle. One test I didn't do (and I currently use this now) is putting the Sovtek LPS in the V1 spot. Sounds really good. People can argue all day about how difference tubes don't matter, but I have a very sensitive ear when it comes to dialing guitar tones. I think playing around with different tubes can really take your amp to the next level.
I find, that the difference is so meaningless, that it rather makes sense to put a EQ into the effect loop and adjust it to likly positions and settings. Now imagine a drumkit bashing, a humming thick bass and a lead singer that screams, growls or also sings the shit out of himself. Bet nobody can make out the different valve.
Nothing worth changing, unless it has to be anyway.
Thank you SO much for this video. It saved me lots of money.
@xoPyromaniacxo To change them, make sure the amp is off, cooled down, and unplugged. Simply pull the tube out, but notice how they come out of the socket. Replace the tube the same way it came out. Power tubes have a notch on the center pin that has to be lined up. Depending on your amp, you should re-bias the amp when you replace power tubes. Make sure you minimize how much of your skin touches the tubes to protect the tubes from your skin oil. I wore nitrile gloves each time I changed tubes.
I like the dark tone of the jj
2:24
3:37
4:46
5:58
7:22
these are all the times for each one of the demonstrations on the lead channel if anyone needs them
IMHO, the JJs all-around sound the most like a 5150 / 6505 should. The EHs do indeed sound good, as do the Penta Labs. But, when I think of a true "5150 / 6505" sound, I think "darkish", and having less "brittle cut" than other amps. I swapped a Tungsol into V1 and couldn't get it out of there fast enough (despite many recommendation for the Tung). Great shootout, BTW!
Dude, everything sounds perfect, tone, pickups sound, tuning and gauge strings, everything sounds good, great video !!!
V1: Tung Sol
V2: Electro Harmonix
V5: Electro Harmonix
All JJ 2:12
V1 TungSol V2 V5 JJ 3:24
All EH tubes 4:35
V1 Tungsol V2 V5 EH 5:48
V1 Tungsol V2 Penta Labs V5 EH 7:09
Thanks for that. The difference is SO subtle. Comes down to preference I think.
Wow! Sounds like a wild animal! Subtle but noticeable differences. Nice job.
@staytrue0407 I run my post between 1-3 while practicing which is most of the time since I don't play out much lately. I set my pregain to 6-7 and all EQ at 6-6-6. Pres. is 9 and Res. is 8. I bought the amp used on Crglst as a 2009 model. Still has factory tubes. 3- JJ83s12AX7, 1 EH12AX7, and 1 sovtec in phase spot V4. I learned today after being on the phone with Peavey (who are a great group) that V1 is the 2nd from right and V6 is the furthest to right! He says V1 is most critical for tone.
Good to know, I've played this thing before, most recently at a guitar center in Yonkers, NY that had the head for 950 brand new. This things a beast.
@shaminky Thanks. The 6505 series of amps does one thing REALLY well, that's metal. I will always own one and recommend them to anyone.
The differences are trivial. You could get the same results by moving the mic placement. This was more to satisfy my curiosity; but like you said, the differences are small (which I expected). I used a Rockbox Boiling Point for a boost.
@TheRyanmluke Depends, I run the gain between 2 o clock and maxed out. The drive is between 7 and 9 o clock which depends on the sound I'm shooting for. The tone sits between 10 and 2 o clock. I don't use the bass boost and the drive selector is in the middle.
2:13 🤘😈 The best sound.
The last one is so clean ... love it
I've switched out tubes in amps before.
Different circuit designs respond to switching up tubes differently.
My Triple Rectifier had harder mids, less fizz, and more gain when I replaced the stock Mesa 12ax7 with all high-gain JJ 12ax7.
Mullards are amazing for cleans in every amp I've tried... except Diezel. I didn't notice ANY difference when switching 12ax7 in VH4.
2:13 3:25 4:35 5:48 7:10
@Dutchieboy20 Yup. I absolutely love what it does in both amps I own.
goddamn that lead channel sounds ridiculously good
nailed it on the last one
You have a couple options: run out of the preamp out and run impulses, buy something like a palmer speaker simulator, or buy a hotplate and run the line out of the hotplate into impulses. With the first option, you will not be silent recording. With the last two, you will be.
His clean parts sound similar to my curse from killswitch engage.
Nope.
I play a 6505 on a mf400 cab it has a better bottom end. shame Marshall don't make these any more. Oh and clean reminds me of my curse by Killswitch cool
kreepthedestroyer I been looking to buy one of these yours have the 100 gt12 ?
WELL, EITHER OR THATS THE BEST DEMO I HEARD OF THIS AMP MAN. THAT SOUND IS STRAIGHT FROM HELL!!!!!!!
Actually theyre not brand new. the ones that sell for 1000 on ebay listed as brand new for 1000 are returned open box units that stores are trying to unload. my friend bought one and found a reciept in his box from the prior owner. We went to the music stores real cite and noticed they were selling the 6505 plus for the same price everyones selling them for and open box units marked down to 1000.
Really nice head, i just picked one up the other day for $520 in like new condition and been playing it for a while. It is fuc...ng insane and loud. Before i was playing a marshall jcm2000 which is a nice head but this one just killed it!
Metaljuanj I feel you on that I have the same situation I like playing the Marshall cause it doesn't sounds as freakishly load as my 5150 lol but I do enjoy playing the Peavey more when I do.
@cavenasty The ISP kills feedback, the NS-2 kills amp noise in the loop.
when he first started playing on clean i was like "KILLSWITCH???!!!!" lol
Aye, "For you" indeed. x) I've got the same feeling!
"SHITSWITCH???!!!!"
Nr.1 fast riff begins at 2:23
Nr.2 fast riff begins at 3:37
Nr.3 fast riff begins at 4:45
Nr.4 fast riff begins at 5:57
Nr.5 fast riff begins at 7:20
I've been thinking about getting one of these heads for a while...that just decided it!!
I love the tone you have man. I too have a 6505+ and I was wondering what you're lead and clean settings were. sounds awesome man \m/
Put a noise suppressor at the end of your FX and it will fix the problem.
I played this AMP for 3 Years, i also had the ENGL Savage 120 a Krank, Dual Rectifier and many more to play on, but this one was so amazing. I had an Deathmetal/Hardcoreband an on one gig i becam the Chance to put my Amp on a simple Valvekin 4x12 Head, but it sounds so stunning that oure drummer ruined the whole Micequipment on his Drumms ^^ Awesome Amp, i sold it cause we broke up.. but i need one again some days!
@staytrue0407 I am gonna order a complete set of (6)JJCC83s12AX7 and (4) JJ6L6's for powertubes. My amp sounds nothing like your clean and your lead is more brutal. I only had this beast for 4 months now and it sounds good but I want your tone and gain sound for sure, so I am gonna order from Tube depot now. Peavey says that the bias dial can be turned all the way hot and it won't hurt anything as it was made not to. I multimetered at 51 at hottest setting possible and 55 is factory setting.
I felt the jjs were heavier. I run nos RCA 12ax7s with sovtek 5881s. v30 speakers. I still think my Mesa DR is better for what I'm looking for. great shootout thanks. not a fan of JJ tubes, now I might be.
Actually it's still a two-channel amp, there's six preamp tubes in the + and 5 in the normal 6505.
I forgot to ask what the settings were on the 6505+ for the demo? Since I gotta turn my pregain to like 7 to get a nice saturated crunch then I think it may be time to change tubes. Peavey told me today on the phone to change the powertubes first but your video shows the preamp tube making a huge difference in sound.
hallo, thanks for the fine video. I m just trying to find out the position of the leadcanal tubes. Does v1, v2 and v5 mean it is the first, second and fifth from left to right when you are looking from the rear onto them? can you help me?
best whishes Uwe
Hey, just wondering why you would use a noise suppressor in conjunction with the ISP? Why not just throw the decimator in the loop? Do you get something you otherwise wouldn't when you put it front of the amp? I've heard of this being done, but I've always just thrown my decimator in the loop and ended it there.
Great tone by the way.
I like the one with the pentalab the best!
Really great sound out of your 6505+ :) I dig it
Was a tough choice for me between V1 Tungsol V2 V5 EH and V1 Tungsol V2 Penta V5 EH.
What tubes do you use from around 6 minutes in the video? I think they sound the best while distorted, sorry I can't hear you saying it from your video. I can't understand.
I really like the Penta Labs tubes.
I'd say you would have better results putting it in the V1 spot. You could try a Jan GE 5751 in the V1 and the 12AT7 in V6.I own 2 Jan GE 5751's for my Framus, but I haven't tried them in my Peavey. For my clean, I don't let the pre go above 1 and I crank the post.
I run the ISP in front to kill guitar feedback and run the Boss in the loop to kill amp noise.
All tubes are 12AX7 / ECC83 / 7025.
@Ikillpeopleforfree The EH tubes have the same gain as the JJs. The EH tubes are more of a well balanced tube and are less noisy. Positions V1 and V2 contribute to the input and lead channel. V3 is the FX loop. V5 is the other tube which contributes to the lead channel. I honestly don't remember the settings. They change all the time. I'm curious why they would tell you to change your power tubes. How old is the amp? What do you run your post at?
I think tung sol is the best for v1, sovtek 12ax7wc v2, 12ax7wa v3, wc v4, mesa boogie pre amp in v5. I own 5150 combo, and tong sol 6l6gc
Why didn't you just use a looper so you didn't have to play it so many times? It also makes it easier to pick out certain nuances in that certain part that may be crucial to understanding the tone? I'm just saying
@ 6:40 you talk about V1, V2 and V3. Did you mean V5? Because for the other exemple you always talk about V1 V2 and V5. Thanks!
what kind of Electro Harmonix did you used? Because there are quite a few. Did you use the 6V6GT?
you have the best demo of what these amps sound like and you not really going for that exactly !!!!! ha ha ha!!! insane
Great video, just what I was looking for. Standard tuning for this?
Brutal! Love your rig, head, cab, and that guitar is so nice. Actually I think I have that guitar, is that the EC-1000? Mine is black with gold accents.
Are you running straight into the amp, or is there a pedal or anything in front of it? I have a 6505, but it sounds really, really bad by itself. I'm kind of wondering if I damaged it somehow.
Excellent.
holy shit the first clean you play is almost the same intro to one of the songs i have written
Only4givenOnce Continued from last post........ How to get there from my current set up.. I have a ESP LTD M-2 with Ahb 1 Seymour Duncan Blackouts and a Scheter Diamond Series C+ with A Push pull Over drive boost made by EMG and stock nickle plated Pick ups.. so if you know anything at all I could do with my set up that would help me get there with out having to buy all new gear that would b awesome..
really nice sound
not a fan of JJ, the EHX sounded really good. You should mess with V6 too.
I thought the tung sols were a lil muffled compaired to the jj's
hey question.
does it matter if the tungsol and EH tubes arent 12ax7a
thanks
I have a question. I've played peavey 6505+ with mesa boogie cabinet just like yours. I'm using epiphone les paul standard guitar with standard pick up. The channel is set to the high gain one and the gain/distortion knob is set to 4 or 5 o'clock, i got pretty thick distortion when play some metal riff. But why i find it's very hard to get the pinch harmonic? The harmonic sound is not clear and had a very short sustain. I can get much clearer harmonic and much longer sustain when using my zoom
thanks for doing this man.. I have a Peavy Vypyr 60 tube and didn't know if there would be any difference in sound between the 6505 setting on it and the actual 6505... I don't even know if I could make my amp sound better or not either...nobody has a vid up about it.. So i'm thinking i'll get the 6505 plus if I can sell my Vypyr off and try to pick me up a Mesa Cab... I'm trying to get a mix between Killswitch Engage's sound and All That Remains but i'm stumped on how to get there...
6505+. The only reason I got the 6505+ was because I wanted a dedicated clean channel.
to be honest, i can hear the difference, but will the audience?
Hmm...I have to disagree with you. If you listen carefully between the JJ in V1 around 2:25 and the Tung-Sol @ around 3:38 you can clearly hear that the Tung-Sol sounds much warmer and bigger. And that's just changing the input tube. The way tubes cascade into each other, if he also changed the other gain stages the tone would improve exponentially. The better your core tone, (no outboard gain boxes and EQ's) the better off you'll be. But that's just my opinion. We all know tone is subjective.
I was just wondering but what are your settings for the lead channel on your Peavy? I love the tone out of it and I'm hoping to achieve the same sound.
hi mate, just a quick question not strictly related to the video, do you own the 6505+ own footswitch? If so, do you notice some sort of delay when switching?
Cheers
I've been thinking of messing with my 6505+ head. When I call Peavey they are nice on the phone but won't really talk about tubes or biasing except that -55 is factory and going over is bad. So I gotta go hunting on youtube then for info. So my question is what about Electro-Harmonix 12AX7EH Preamp Tubes compared to JJ? My factory preamps are a mix of JJ and Sovtecks. I heard JJ are noisy and lower gain and muddier to 12AX7EH. How does the V 1-3 postions make a difference for tube type anyway?
Question: I use the rythm channel as a clean tone. If I change the V6 tube with a 12AT7, is the rythm channel going to sound a little cleaner?
thx for the demo. nice tune, what song is that?
Hi there im wondering if you could tell me the settings for the lead channel tone at 2.13 ? love it !
Bought a 6505+ plus on Wednesday. How do you like that EC-1000?
what's the difference between 6505 + and the 6505
how exactly are you running the dbx 231 through the amp? is it going through the effects loops? or is it in front of the mic? and are you running both channels of the eq at once and how do you bypass the pedals from the clean channel? and does the dbx have 1/4 inputs or did ur have to get xlr to 1/4 trs patch cables? because i am loving your tone! i gotta know more man! and are u running a custom switcher?
Hi man, Great demo! I have a question, to play in all type of place (studio, home, live) what 4x12 cab you recommend? The Rectifier Traditional or the Rectifier Standard? And other thing.. Slant or Straigth? Thanks for all.
Is that a red jazz iii xl pick you are using? If so, how do u like it for powerchord rhythms?
great vid dude:) i have a jsx and 5150 II and love them both, cant beat peavey for great metal tone AND value for money:)
+staytrue0407 what are the settings on the amp, od, eq, and gates. My Mesa cab sounds to flubby, and my 6505 plus isn't as tight or as punchy as yours. I can't really see the settings from this angle
You guys are all like ... Dude whats your setting...if you dont have the exact same rig ... You will not get that sound.... Od ,eq , cab ... Plus thats the sound of a mic your hearing... Not the same as room sound... All that crap i just said for... Spend some time dialing your own sound ... Damn
lol
Do you have the gain on 10? Isn't that a little... much?
Who knows what's the song on the clean channel??
Hey man, on your lead channel what are the specific settings from pre right through to resonance and presence? I only have a standard 6505 cab with my 6505 head so it wont sound as good but im aspiring to pretty much that tone you have the first time you switch to lead. Would be much appreciated if you could reply :) thank you!
I have the same guitar and amp, kudos!
Thanks
@neiletfc ISP in front, Boss in the loop
Roughly how loud did you have it set when recording this?
very cool videos dude!
is that the Mesa Boogie Traditional or standard cab? the standard is the oversized one i believe
I have this head, I love my tone, I mean idk how to explain it I dont really see people do this with their eq so idk if it doesn't sound good to other people? but I have my bass 4 and mid at 6 and my high at 3 it sounds killer, it has a nice warm bottom end to it. idk try it let me know what you think
Hey man! Great video! I was just wondering what settings you run on both of your channels on the 6505+?
Not that expensive man. You can get them for $600 used if you keep an eye out.
@MattismPL Thanks man
what kinda settings do you use with that boiling point overdrive?