The problem is that all the black library writers have a raging hard on for space marines. & That's what GW wants, because they are by far the best selling faction in 40k & the go to army for beginners. GW is and always will be a company that wants to gain profit. Space marines, space marines space marines......sad but true.
@DominatorLegend it's almost like the species that is nearly extinct, is fighting a losing battle. That's been the narrative since 3rd Ed. Possibly earlier, I'm not sure as I only really know a bit of lore from pre 3rd Ed.
@@benharrison8855that may be true, but they have lost so many god damn battles. An avatar of Khaine, which is an animated statue somehow got corrupted by slaanesh. Eldar win rate in the lore is abysmal and I feel bad for its player base that likes reading said lore
As a drukhari player, I love the elves and love elf players, you guys are cool! Just wanted to spread some love, everyone hates on people in real life for playing an army they like just cause gw messes with rules
Thanks for this. As an Eldar player it's interesting to see what the competitive meta is... although i still just play armies i think are fun. I sometimes wish the competition scene had separate rules.
The Venoms will have the splinter cannons inside and use bladestorm for 2 AP on their anti infantry crit wounds, probably the only unit bladestorm feels worth using on.
Just to let you know in that 1st build Yvraine goes around with the storm guardians. It's an anti-indirect tech; giving the squishy sticky objective holders a FNP and a heal. They can go around flipping objs without being destroyed by Guard, DG or other elf indirect.
Where's our lore win? Smurfs 1v1 our god of war, Nids use our infinity circuit as breakfast and crush our craftworlds (Malan'tai, Iyanden), Chaos destroy one of our main Craftworlds (Biel Tan), and so on.
Biel Tan wasn’t destroyed it was just broken into a massive fleet instead of one big ship making it probably one of the biggest and most powerful fleet in the galaxy and it was the Y’nnari that caused it to shatter to claim the crone sword
Someone just posted an analysis of Eldar winrates on reddit that shows there is a sharp decline the higher you go in ELO rating. Would be interesting to hear your thoughts on this as it might mean that Eldar success since the last balance slate was based on a limited number of tricks of the kind that high skill players can easily counter once they know them.
Unfortunately my Aeldari army is on the back burner because I outright refuse to buy any of the older sculpts when they’re probably looking at getting new models in the next few years. It’s just bad luck that apparently they’re all the best units right now. 😂
I love how all the competitive lists use the old shitty Swooping hawks, warp spider, and fire dragon models extensively. Ain't no way I'm building anything near these lists until they update the model range lol.
First list is so god damn strong if playin correctly. My team member played the singeles before the teamevent and had liam as last opponent and was the best marine player in this tournament and lost 0:20 !!!!!!
For anti-tank/heavy, I tend to run a pair of Scorpions. Granted it's 820 for both, so it's usually in a 2k+ game where I can take infantry and skimmers for objectives and screening
I love the scorpion. Two of them must be terrifying to face. Atm I'm running fire prisms instead cuz I only have 1 and I wanted some more flexibility in positioning
Given that the Fire Prism is more flexible and cheaper, I can totally understand and respect why. That being said, it definitely is terrifying to go against. You should've seen the look on my buddy's face when I melted his Chaos Knights from outside of their threat range 😂
Right!? Tbh, it's got the shooting profile of something that SHOULD be in the Tau codex. I'm pretty sure there's actually only 3 Tau units that can outgun it, with one of them being the Taunar (Edit) : forgot about the Manta, but you almost never see it because of the size and price tag
Avatar of Khaine is a really good unit. Everyone forgets it has sustained D3 on its ranged attack. An auto 6 is horrible, especially in overwatch. I sit a farseer next to it in the midboard. It can get -1 to hit and wound with fortune and lightning fast. I'm actually surprised we didnt see one in this video
Don't forget, the Avatar may not have a fnp, or regen wounds, but it does have 1 more toughness, 2 more wounds, basically double the movement, a 2+ armour save, 1 automatic reroll for hit and wound (because detachment) and fate dice. The c-tan have nothing of these.
@@NaGa5hctan IS harder to kill mainly due to FnP+ and múltiples and IS way cheaper. The avatar indeed IS way easier to kill, particularly vulnerable to mortal and devastating wounds due to lacking FnP+ and IS more expensive than ctan. If we keep point cost of both the same i,d give the Avatar FnP
@@victoryanguas6666 The c'tan is still more susceptible to lethal hits than the Avatar because it has no armor save. And yep, for nearly everything else the C'tan is harder to kill, but the avatar moves twice as many inches, and has fate dice and free rerolls. That's the big difference. And yes, C'tan are still undercosted, but the Avatar getting a fnp with with it's 10 inch move would straight up just be broken. Slow movement is the biggest weakness of C'tan after all.
I just think of the Autarch as a tax for farming command points so you can do fire and fade in your shooting phase. I can't figure out why two of them would be useful.
@@heckinmemes6430 Just feels like taking a unit of shroud runners at 80 points can kind of achieve the same thing. In saying that, this is a very technical army and I will bow to the tournament masters who obviously know better than I do.
@@Wybrand418 He's counted as infantry so can pass through walls and has a smaller footprint, and has access to phantasm and obviously lone op. But I do like shrouds
Ugh... wish aeldari wasn't just take as many swooping hawks and warp spiders as you can or yvraine and take dark eldar... I want to actually play aeldari units but I guess if 1% of the datasheets are OP don't bother sorting the rest.
I know they weren’t the bogeymen at the dawn of 9th when I got into the game. In fact, they weren’t “meta” until they got their 9th edition codex mid edition. And that was the edition everyone was a meta bogeyman shortly after their codex with the exception of Thousand Sons and Death Guard (and even then, DG kinda got a little but nothing like AdMech, Drukari, Eldar, or CSM)
Great analysis I don’t think people appreciate how much effort you put into this behind the scenes, Brief criticism you always label Avatar as S tier, he is more B tier, Because he can be Idled very easily he gets chaffed and completely avoided, could be better on the abilities being a molten demi-god add one to charge is scuffed, needs to be redone and more inline with his lore, He is definitely B tier,
@@jamespidgeon8748 I dont think you quite give him enough credit. His sweep would clear 20 poxwalkers in 3 turns sure, however you can just use feigned retreat to go somewhere else. His shooting attack is extremely good as well if you stick a farseer near him and a massive overwatch threat, and he can get -1 to hit and wound from certain abilities. The +1 to charge is useful for a block of wraithblades nearby or himself, especially if you come out of reserves near a tank and use an auto 6 on the charge. Not saying He's the best unit in the index but he is extremely powerful if used correctly. He can honestly be the core of an army
@@kyleroach-smith1291 He is TRASH solid C tier, if you're encircled Retreat is not an option, or he is retreating from 100 messily points and losing VP... let that sink in. New people may not know what to do, but if i see AVA Cain i smile and say you wasted 335 points, you say run him with Seers and Wraith blades well mate that's like 840 points give or take, solid C tier Avatar is good against new players only. thats like 20 terminators with DEV wounds and then some more. NOT ONE of these lists in video had avatar in it LOL but some how S tier, just stop bullshitting he is trash.
The fact that we have had female eldar units since the very start of the game should be a big clue that the current outrage has nothing to do with people wanting only men in their armies. The outrage is down to GW bending their own lore to satisfy the woke mob. 40K has a strong history of having some units/factions that are exclusive to one sex or the other, the woke mob don't like this, they think that any male only space (even a pretend one) needs to be broken up.
@@minisquigy not sure what you are getting at. I regularly see people calling for female space marines, the only time I see calls for brothers of battle is to highlight the double standard. Personally I thought the SOB were quite a clever way to get round the no female space marine thing in a way that respected the lore of the setting.
I mean, of course Aeldari are going to start winning again. They were definitely nerfed, but then so were AdMech, T'au, Dark Angels, and all of the Space Marines, and _especially_ Chaos Space Marines. And now Orks and Custodes are next. But they aren't just worse in terms of balance. They're worse in terms of flavour. The game feels _exceptionally bland_ right now. What used to be a rich, hearty meal of meat, vegetables, and a deliciously light dessert, has been reduced to tinned hotdogs served cold in stale buns. Not even mouldy ones, because they'd at least _taste_ like something. So Aeldari aren't winning because they're _good._ They're winning because they're the _least worst_ army you can play. Of all the losers, they've lost the least. And the biggest losers are _us_ for having to put up with it for so long.
Don’t let this distract you from the fact that by right every Aeldari soul belongs to Slaanesh. Making all current Eldar and Drukhari that are alive. Nothing more than common thieves.
Dont understand how Eldar can only be 50% win rate but can still win so many tourneys in a field with the likes of Necrons etc. Clearly auto-includes like Wayleapers, Fuegan etc are broken and their damage output per points + mobility is too strong.
That is exactly what you would expect from an army like Aeldari. They are high skill, high risk but high reward. Make mistakes and your army can get picked up in a turn. Get everything right and they can beat anything. It isn't like they are winning every tournament any more, being able to achieve some tournament wins is where very army should be. I will give you that Fuegan is a bit good for his cost though, expect to see him toned down in the codex.
Players win games, not armies. So at different points there will be more decent players in one army over another. And it may just be that it's currently Eldar. I would be harsh to NERF a team because of this though. The average players suck as bad as everyone else haha
I don't understand how you watch a video detailing very different army lists with probably more variety in unit choices than the competitive lists of most other factions and then complain about autoincludes. Who else shows this much variety at tournament level out of ONE detachment?
If only they could translate these wins into winning in the lore
The problem is that all the black library writers have a raging hard on for space marines. & That's what GW wants, because they are by far the best selling faction in 40k & the go to army for beginners.
GW is and always will be a company that wants to gain profit.
Space marines, space marines space marines......sad but true.
@@b2g7h8Even then, Eldar get by far the short end of the stick even within Xenos. Orcs, Crons, Taus, Nids... At least those get occasional wins.
@DominatorLegend it's almost like the species that is nearly extinct, is fighting a losing battle.
That's been the narrative since 3rd Ed. Possibly earlier, I'm not sure as I only really know a bit of lore from pre 3rd Ed.
@@benharrison8855that may be true, but they have lost so many god damn battles. An avatar of Khaine, which is an animated statue somehow got corrupted by slaanesh. Eldar win rate in the lore is abysmal and I feel bad for its player base that likes reading said lore
Being the superior species is winning 😮
As a drukhari player, I love the elves and love elf players, you guys are cool! Just wanted to spread some love, everyone hates on people in real life for playing an army they like just cause gw messes with rules
GW just messes with the Lore
They aren't elves Sir.
Elf bros
GW hates all Eldar . Any space marines with a name will singlehandedly kill the Avatar of khaine.
@@b2g7h8 GW has given Eldar the best rules in nearly all editions.............
GW loves the Xenos
Thanks for this. As an Eldar player it's interesting to see what the competitive meta is... although i still just play armies i think are fun. I sometimes wish the competition scene had separate rules.
I mean they do have separate rules. If you're not playing in a tournament, and just at home/LGS with friends you can use whatever rules you want.
The Venoms will have the splinter cannons inside and use bladestorm for 2 AP on their anti infantry crit wounds, probably the only unit bladestorm feels worth using on.
Ah I'd not clocked that combo, thanks for the heads up!
Did this with a tantalus full of kabalites in a TTS game. Mildly hilarious.
Storm guardians? As I live and breathe
Just to let you know in that 1st build Yvraine goes around with the storm guardians. It's an anti-indirect tech; giving the squishy sticky objective holders a FNP and a heal. They can go around flipping objs without being destroyed by Guard, DG or other elf indirect.
Awesome review!! Good to see this!
Where's our lore win? Smurfs 1v1 our god of war, Nids use our infinity circuit as breakfast and crush our craftworlds (Malan'tai, Iyanden), Chaos destroy one of our main Craftworlds (Biel Tan), and so on.
Biel Tan wasn’t destroyed it was just broken into a massive fleet instead of one big ship making it probably one of the biggest and most powerful fleet in the galaxy and it was the Y’nnari that caused it to shatter to claim the crone sword
Yeah it’s Yvraine’s fault. And honestly in doing so Shelaxi Helbane almost certainly corrupted the Yncarne. So the whole Ynnari movement is screwed.
@@ForbiddenRazor actually it’s not possible to corrupt it because it’s a greater demon of another chaos god just like a keeper of secrets is
Considering how long aeldari have been dominating 10th im surprised this video exists
Indeed, imagine an Aeldari army winning a tournament, that would be a sight!
I get what you're saying, but these lists are a far cry from what the lists looked like during the opening phases of 10th
@@IAmTheDawn that just means, that almost every unit comp was OP from the beginning... :)
Someone just posted an analysis of Eldar winrates on reddit that shows there is a sharp decline the higher you go in ELO rating. Would be interesting to hear your thoughts on this as it might mean that Eldar success since the last balance slate was based on a limited number of tricks of the kind that high skill players can easily counter once they know them.
Yes. Skillful players, you see. GW, reflect this in the lore, we know what we are doing :0
Unfortunately my Aeldari army is on the back burner because I outright refuse to buy any of the older sculpts when they’re probably looking at getting new models in the next few years. It’s just bad luck that apparently they’re all the best units right now. 😂
New codex in september so interesting
I play elves since 25-30 years, and me getting the very first Harlequin box.
I love how all the competitive lists use the old shitty Swooping hawks, warp spider, and fire dragon models extensively. Ain't no way I'm building anything near these lists until they update the model range lol.
Eldar seem like a fun army, and I’m glad others get to enjoy them. Theres no hard feelings between the Eldar player base and myself.
First list is so god damn strong if playin correctly. My team member played the singeles before the teamevent and had liam as last opponent and was the best marine player in this tournament and lost 0:20 !!!!!!
Many of the squads and figs in these lists are hard to come by.
Aeldari really do ebb and flow with power levels codex to edition
For anti-tank/heavy, I tend to run a pair of Scorpions. Granted it's 820 for both, so it's usually in a 2k+ game where I can take infantry and skimmers for objectives and screening
I love the scorpion. Two of them must be terrifying to face. Atm I'm running fire prisms instead cuz I only have 1 and I wanted some more flexibility in positioning
Given that the Fire Prism is more flexible and cheaper, I can totally understand and respect why.
That being said, it definitely is terrifying to go against. You should've seen the look on my buddy's face when I melted his Chaos Knights from outside of their threat range 😂
@@dirtyblonde1011 plus the exploding on 4s!
Right!? Tbh, it's got the shooting profile of something that SHOULD be in the Tau codex. I'm pretty sure there's actually only 3 Tau units that can outgun it, with one of them being the Taunar
(Edit) : forgot about the Manta, but you almost never see it because of the size and price tag
No fire prisms at all seems crazy. Was the phantasm nerf really that devastating? Fire and fade seems pretty usable on any autarch-led list
This is like that meme where the guy turns the calendar page and it’s early 10th rather than 1984...
I dont play aeldari and yes they win tourments but remember a new player can pick up this army and get tabled turn 2/3
Until the Avatar doesn't get a 5+ feel no pain, I don't think we will see it much in tournaments. Well see when the codex drops.
Nah let’s not have 2 armies with void dragon bs lol
Avatar of Khaine is a really good unit. Everyone forgets it has sustained D3 on its ranged attack. An auto 6 is horrible, especially in overwatch. I sit a farseer next to it in the midboard. It can get -1 to hit and wound with fortune and lightning fast. I'm actually surprised we didnt see one in this video
Don't forget, the Avatar may not have a fnp, or regen wounds, but it does have 1 more toughness, 2 more wounds, basically double the movement, a 2+ armour save, 1 automatic reroll for hit and wound (because detachment) and fate dice. The c-tan have nothing of these.
@@NaGa5hctan IS harder to kill mainly due to FnP+ and múltiples and IS way cheaper. The avatar indeed IS way easier to kill, particularly vulnerable to mortal and devastating wounds due to lacking FnP+ and IS more expensive than ctan.
If we keep point cost of both the same i,d give the Avatar FnP
@@victoryanguas6666 The c'tan is still more susceptible to lethal hits than the Avatar because it has no armor save. And yep, for nearly everything else the C'tan is harder to kill, but the avatar moves twice as many inches, and has fate dice and free rerolls. That's the big difference. And yes, C'tan are still undercosted, but the Avatar getting a fnp with with it's 10 inch move would straight up just be broken. Slow movement is the biggest weakness of C'tan after all.
I just think of the Autarch as a tax for farming command points so you can do fire and fade in your shooting phase. I can't figure out why two of them would be useful.
Both have lone OP and can hop around the board doing objectives.
@@heckinmemes6430 Just feels like taking a unit of shroud runners at 80 points can kind of achieve the same thing. In saying that, this is a very technical army and I will bow to the tournament masters who obviously know better than I do.
They are also fight first with banshee mask, and can deliver correct output at shooting and cc
@@Wybrand418 He's counted as infantry so can pass through walls and has a smaller footprint, and has access to phantasm and obviously lone op. But I do like shrouds
Ugh... wish aeldari wasn't just take as many swooping hawks and warp spiders as you can or yvraine and take dark eldar... I want to actually play aeldari units but I guess if 1% of the datasheets are OP don't bother sorting the rest.
What are Aeldari units if not aspect warrior like fire dragon, warp spider and hawks ?
@xxghostwarrior13 guardians, Banshees, Dire Avengers, storm guardians, warlocks, wind riders, shining spears.. all are mediocre at best
Was there ever a time when Eldar weren't considered meta?
When I use them.
yes
It's only top players who play them and normal players who don't play them, who are thinking they are OP
I know they weren’t the bogeymen at the dawn of 9th when I got into the game. In fact, they weren’t “meta” until they got their 9th edition codex mid edition. And that was the edition everyone was a meta bogeyman shortly after their codex with the exception of Thousand Sons and Death Guard (and even then, DG kinda got a little but nothing like AdMech, Drukari, Eldar, or CSM)
1st Ed through 9th edition!
Is there a reason people arn't using the Yncarne??
Well they nerfed its teleporting so it can only teleport on your own turn, yet the price didn't drop.
Hope they nerf the C'tan next.
The allied Drukhari don't benefit from re rolls do they ?
They have the Aeldari keyword, so they do get the detachment rerolls. They just don't get strands of fate
They get the detachment rerolls, they do not get the fate dice.
Great analysis I don’t think people appreciate how much effort you put into this behind the scenes,
Brief criticism you always label Avatar as S tier, he is more B tier, Because he can be Idled very easily he gets chaffed and completely avoided, could be better on the abilities being a molten demi-god add one to charge is scuffed, needs to be redone and more inline with his lore,
He is definitely B tier,
100 points worth of pox walkers will out OC and Idle avatar for 3 turns
@@jamespidgeon8748 I dont think you quite give him enough credit. His sweep would clear 20 poxwalkers in 3 turns sure, however you can just use feigned retreat to go somewhere else. His shooting attack is extremely good as well if you stick a farseer near him and a massive overwatch threat, and he can get -1 to hit and wound from certain abilities. The +1 to charge is useful for a block of wraithblades nearby or himself, especially if you come out of reserves near a tank and use an auto 6 on the charge.
Not saying He's the best unit in the index but he is extremely powerful if used correctly. He can honestly be the core of an army
@@kyleroach-smith1291 He is TRASH solid C tier, if you're encircled Retreat is not an option, or he is retreating from 100 messily points and losing VP... let that sink in.
New people may not know what to do, but if i see AVA Cain i smile and say you wasted 335 points, you say run him with Seers and Wraith blades well mate that's like 840 points give or take, solid C tier Avatar is good against new players only. thats like 20 terminators with DEV wounds and then some more.
NOT ONE of these lists in video had avatar in it LOL but some how S tier, just stop bullshitting he is trash.
"Guess who's back?"
Wait, there are FEMALE Aledari!
This is insane, how could GW DO THIS TO ME!
If only there could be only men in every army... A man can dream.
"Only men shall receive my seed" - Big E at some point i swear
(fr tho its kinda sad how angry people are getting at the very mention of women)
The fact that we have had female eldar units since the very start of the game should be a big clue that the current outrage has nothing to do with people wanting only men in their armies. The outrage is down to GW bending their own lore to satisfy the woke mob. 40K has a strong history of having some units/factions that are exclusive to one sex or the other, the woke mob don't like this, they think that any male only space (even a pretend one) needs to be broken up.
@@bbb695 You mean like Little Sisters of Purification? the female space marine chapter.
@@bbb695they capitalists not woke. Sisters of silence dont sell. Golden superwomans sell (sigmarines).
@@minisquigy not sure what you are getting at. I regularly see people calling for female space marines, the only time I see calls for brothers of battle is to highlight the double standard. Personally I thought the SOB were quite a clever way to get round the no female space marine thing in a way that respected the lore of the setting.
And Maugan Ra? 🥺😔
Oil up at 300k?
broken codex. Thanks for the upload.
Letz see how many crybabies we will get in here
"mimimi eldar op" kekw cry me a river
Elgi cope
Eldar win again?
What a shock, who wins next the Xisters of the Custodians?
Maybe the Fem Marines?
Someone is triggered.
It's the EMPEROR OF MA'AMKIND! OK!?!?!?
@@DominatorLegend Sorry I don't want to misgender the Emperor.
I thought it was the lefties that needed trigger warnings. This guy didn't get the memo.
@@scarecrow2621says the child that got mad at a joke. Seethe harder.
Wait until the codex comes out and everything is worthless lol if the guy who wrote custodes and dark angels writes it thag is.
dont remind me about the custodes codex, im still mad about it.
those models are so old
I mean, of course Aeldari are going to start winning again. They were definitely nerfed, but then so were AdMech, T'au, Dark Angels, and all of the Space Marines, and _especially_ Chaos Space Marines. And now Orks and Custodes are next.
But they aren't just worse in terms of balance. They're worse in terms of flavour. The game feels _exceptionally bland_ right now. What used to be a rich, hearty meal of meat, vegetables, and a deliciously light dessert, has been reduced to tinned hotdogs served cold in stale buns. Not even mouldy ones, because they'd at least _taste_ like something.
So Aeldari aren't winning because they're _good._ They're winning because they're the _least worst_ army you can play. Of all the losers, they've lost the least. And the biggest losers are _us_ for having to put up with it for so long.
What game are you playing mate?
Yay, more nerfs
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Long video to just say "the entire index" Auspex lol
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Yeah, I think most of us want them to get the Custodes treatment 😅
What do you mean? There's already canon female eldar. 😉
@@keyanklupacs6333GW doesn't use canon to forxe women into Custodes I want Half Eldar in the Astartes
@@malekiththeeternityking5433Actually, GW just told me Space Marines were always Half Eldar
@@DominatorLegend After getting Humaned Farseer Macha gave birth to two Blood Raven twins.
This is canon now
Don’t let this distract you from the fact that by right every Aeldari soul belongs to Slaanesh. Making all current Eldar and Drukhari that are alive. Nothing more than common thieves.
Looks like GWS is intent on killing 40k
Oh god, I've heard this same tune for nearly 25 years. Go play something else already.
@@_F8. go fellate a xeno
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Bro bet the bot, good job!
BOOOOOOO! 🤮
Still too powerful
Nerf Aeldari!!!
Dont understand how Eldar can only be 50% win rate but can still win so many tourneys in a field with the likes of Necrons etc. Clearly auto-includes like Wayleapers, Fuegan etc are broken and their damage output per points + mobility is too strong.
That is exactly what you would expect from an army like Aeldari. They are high skill, high risk but high reward. Make mistakes and your army can get picked up in a turn. Get everything right and they can beat anything. It isn't like they are winning every tournament any more, being able to achieve some tournament wins is where very army should be. I will give you that Fuegan is a bit good for his cost though, expect to see him toned down in the codex.
Players win games, not armies. So at different points there will be more decent players in one army over another. And it may just be that it's currently Eldar. I would be harsh to NERF a team because of this though. The average players suck as bad as everyone else haha
I don't understand how you watch a video detailing very different army lists with probably more variety in unit choices than the competitive lists of most other factions and then complain about autoincludes. Who else shows this much variety at tournament level out of ONE detachment?