No one else noticed that this last kill was done by *Zetaris* ? Buddy if you're watching this video you must apologize by doing a *This video is about the Draken in 1.97* no bargaining
@@Zetaris do a 2 minute clip named "this video is about the a4b in 1.97" and its just you firing the gunpods for 2 minutes straight as you realize the thing carries wayyyy too much ammo
@@ExHyperion I kinda already had that idea after your first comment about the guns. I tried them out after you said it lol. I won't steal his thunder if he wants it.
Whooptie lost his virginity in the first clip. And to answer your question, while there is nothing wrong with missiles, they were cool only when they were first added, and not every single plane had them. But since you have constant furballs in War Thunder with *TINY ASS MAPS* it isn't fun to get missiled every single FUCKING GAME. Short answer, no. Top Tier isn't fun anymore. Or rather, like you said Whoop, without dogfights it isn't.
Well dogfights didn't actually loose their place in War Thunder even between F-4 and MiG 21 matches, they're just sharing it with missiles more or less. And they won't until BVR missile introduction.
its a different game with missles but people dont like to adapt and change play styles. modern flight is that, there is no more dogfighting in the sky, its all about missles now (and soon to be anti missle lazers) and thats the direction war thunder is going in. if you dont like it stick with the sabers
Yes Whooptie, those missiles .... I grinded the Draken first day just to get dumped by R60's, and AIM 9J / D's. The stock grind is terrible because top tier is 90% missiles and 10% about the player and the planes. Tbh the only reason I flew more than 5 matches is the fact I love the look of the plane. 180 rounds for 2 guns while the stock belts are far from acceptable, insane speed bleeding in turns, huge amount of RP for the first tier ( because few modifications) , and the Rb 24 missiles on the Lansen was a total joke, but in 10.3 these are near useless. I still love the Draken but I honestly don't have fun flying it right now.
@@CaSama I, personally like the missiles. fighting with or against them eighter. A rethinked decompression would solve the balance issue in top tier, and it includes the missile spamming too.
@@la200dool4 I like missiles too, I played through 5 tiers to get them Lol. But would be cool to have a RB mode with all armament disabled alart from guns. Would give people the chance to test their vehicles to their full performance without the fear of missiles
In a world where the AIM-9X is capable of slapping a target almost 90° off bore, dogfighting is still taught. You can still dogfight with missiles, but the *way* you dogfight needs to change. Disregarding the fact that maps are too small at top tier, players need to understand a few things: 1) Stop running your afterburners all game. Your engines are really hot, and Gaijin has coded them to be even hotter. 2) The drag coefficient changes to missiles mean that missiles turn better at lower altitudes, and accelerate better (and have greater range) at higher altitudes. Maybe you want to rethink initiating all of your fights at 5000ft. 3) The Draken specifically pulls insane AoA resulting in incredibly tight turns, the trade off is that you’re sacrificing all of your speed the instant you pull back on the stick so much. The Draken’s shape means it will function as an air brake above a certain AoA. Whooptie didn’t gain as much altitude as he thought he did in the end, because he burned off all of his velocity. IRL a cobra (yes I know what he did wasn’t a true cobra, don’t @ me) is a maneuver so situational there’s almost no circumstance in combat where you would actually want to attempt one. 4) Blaming all of your troubles on missiles just sounds like you can’t adapt. I’m average at best in Air RB, and I don’t have any issues dodging missiles outside of *very* specific circumstances-I can’t hit shit mind you, but that’s a separate issue. /endrant
The only point I didn't drive home was that latter battles were never 12 on 12... The pure fact that very few actually understand or care about teamwork (everyone's focused on the grind) and the resulting fact that teams die in a heartbeat, makes its extremely frustrating for the solo player who's actually trying. I just feel that some sort of effort needs to be made with the current matchmaker system to TRY and make the game more enjoyable for the masses at top tier.
Yea bro missles are the bane of the game, if you manage to get to late game it’s incredible how bad mig pilots have gotten with there guns because they set up for missles.
I love that WT is going into more modern times with more modern weapon systems but the deathmatch game mode is not suited for it, they need to bring back RB EC and make it a regular mode it's perfect for jets, targets to bomb, intercept and dogfight
@@MastigosWilkins Many custom games that content creators played like the Dunkirk event looked so much fun and immersive. WT has so much potential and could be the best free to play game out there but they decided to copy Wargaming's style of gameplay.
When I play my stock Hunter F.1 and F.6, I love facing missiles in it, there is nothing I do and it just adds so much skill everytime an enemy kills me.
All i can say is GIT GUD F.6 is AMAZING. If you have something on your six it either means you engage too early or your team is dead. First would be your fault and second means you're dead already (it IS a team game, so no matter what anybody says team is always a factor)
@@Erenzilable My man I never said anything about being bad or it sucking, I'm just saying it sucks facing missiles that can outturn you and being fired by aircraft 2x faster then you
@@epicaxeguy3323 Yeah, sorry I came off the way i did. Best way to play hunter is by playing it like Thunderbolt: Climb till the furball appears, go to furball and carefully kill the stragglers. You'll get SRAAMs before you know it. Also you can evade R60's if you're have high lateral speed relative to missile. But usually the best way to evade missiles on Hunter is to not be there at all and not be locked. Once you get SRAAMs you're good to go. 4 missiles 4 kills. 1km or less is your firing distance, missile head takes like 2-3 seconds to warm up so anticipate when you can launch and enable tracker in advance. Also this patch we should've gotten a thing that reduces missile range at low alts - SRAAMs don't care about that. Also they finally lock from frontal plane, but you need to be really close (1.5 or so km to lock, and by this point you probably won't be able to hit)
@@Erenzilable That's fine, you apologised, makes you better then 90% of RUclips commenters. Yeah I've been trying numerous playstyles including climbing. Been a tad more successful but you always meet that one space climbing F-4 or MiG-21, and yeah I've heard about SRAAMs and really want them.
@@epicaxeguy3323 Don't be tempted by stable RP flow of bombing the bases. It does nothing to teach you how to fight and evade those migs and phantoms. But yeah, If you're struggling, try joining an active squadron to squad up with people, makes all the difference. (Hell, try joining my -SPARE- squadron, we welcom people who actually join discord as well and fly in squads. We don't do squadron battles though). Hunter F.6 (like Javelin) is a team player first and foremost. If you have someone baiting for you, you can get kills really fast. Especially once you unlock SRAAMs. My record was 2 SRAAM kills and 1 cannon kill in less than 30 seconds. Very real situation is when you see your teammate get chased by 3 enemies, you get in fire a missile on one, immediately lock the second guy and the third guy either nopes outta there or gets killed by your teammates. Whatever you do, never engage the first pursuer because it means you set others on your six, start from the back and you're probably good. Be very careful or don't engage at all if there's more than 3 enemies on 1 friendly.
Missiles, Im completely with you. I hate missile combat, it takes off a gigant skill factor which is manouvering and energy fighting. Sure, missiles are a part of modern planes, but theyre so excessive by now especially with MiG21s running around everywhere and the Americans
Missiles should be like so: the closer you are the enemy the shittyer the missile is so they would only work after a minimum of 1km away so dogfights could be possible
0:09 ... yep. Even Whooptie, the king of Calm sounding War Thunder commentaries... or should i say 'Calm'entaries... gets excited about a sick ass kill
Absolutely loved the intro, really creative ^^ Missiles is what has been keeping me from playing jets completely, I used to only play jets but I just can't enjoy it when I get spammed with AAM's every 5 seconds.
Great video! Personally, I'm alright with the missiles. I wish flares would work better and that more planes would have them, but the new style of gameplay that has come from the missiles, in my opinion, is really fun. (granted this is coming from someone who has more AIM-9J kills than gun kills in the E so I may be biased, lol)
How to bring back "dogfighting" in the era of jets and missiles WT is moving in: make matches with less players and therefore less of the dumb furballs, make maps larger, and remove the stupid missile warning mechanic. Dogfighting with missiles is a thing. It's just not in WT because games are less about the dogfights and more about which side can throw missiles and hit players too occupied to do anything else except die to it. Dogfights don't exist in top tier not because of missiles, but because the game mode format is shit. Like, while the WWII prop era is fairly representative of WWII air combat, top tier is... more representative of Ace Combat 7 multiplayer, honestly.
@@Cyan37 in reality you don't have a warning for ir stuff, just some very modern planes have warnings for all types of missiles but they are generic warning when they detect a rocket motor somewhere even if your buddy shot it
@@devva9998 Sooo.. I was right is what you're telling me. I think the missile warning in the game is mainly in place so people still play the game. If people start 'randomly' exploding without a warning, there'll quickly be less and less top tier players.
@@devva9998 This game is not exactly a simulator and in RB people just want to have fun. If it gets too realistc, it might not be fun anymore for most people. Gaijin needs to make money and keep people in the endgame so they make it simpler, easier and more fun.
Totally agree with you, there should be a game mode where jets can't take guides missiles, you can still load dumb rockets and bombs though. That would be so much fun.
I absolutely love the draken, at least for real as I'm an absolute noob at this game Hope that the gaijin will ad more and more advanced aircraft like f-15, mig-31 or mig-25
I feel like missiles do ruin the dogfight magic... You know the one, people actually going vertical, furballs of planes trying to get their guns on target, jet combat at very slow speeds With missiles, you can't have most of these.
About the missiles in the game I actually think what ruins dogfight in toptier jet is that, the missile aren't strong enough--did not match their ability to kill in real life. Think about this, the guns and cannons in this game are "realistic" enough so we can apply real-life dogfight and energy fight techniques in the game, from props to gen 0 jet-fighters like F-86s, but we can't use real-world F-4 or J35 doctrine because the missile sucks most of the time. In the real world the missiles are more reliable (not necessarily more tight-turning or so), they always track the target in a steady way so dogfight techniques could be developed around the missile. For example in a real FOX 2 fight, you rarely extend using your extra speed like you would in a gun-only fight (to out-run the guns), 'cause the sidewinder would chase you up no problme; instead you would try to move in-relation to the bandit in close distance, so his missile cannot turn while accelerating in such short-range. FOX 2 dogfight using high-performance missiles could be fun, as I experienced in DCS world, it is just as difficult and fascinating as a gunfight. But in WT the missile has quiet a chance of homing into nothing, so people still treat guns as the primary weapon (and they need to), so missile IS very annoying since you cannot apply both gun and fox-2 dogfight technique at the same time, and you don't wanna put all your bet on that sh*tty missile. A opposite example is whats happening now between helicopters, helicopter player konws they are not gonna use guns shooting each other very often, so their way of fighting is developed around ATGMs and FOX2s -- still not realistic but at least its not that annoying.
With more advanced vehicles comes more advanced weapons, meta changes through the ranks, like ground battles, in low-mid tier armour means a lot, high tier it’s all about speed and armour doesn’t mean as much because APFSDS cuts through most things, just like missiles on jets, you just have to deal with it
It seems to me that top tier games are spit into two groups of players, those with AIM-9j's, R-60's, and SRAMS, and those who are just want to be in the first group. I don't mind lesser missiles that much, although I do like the idea of no missile games, but i'm trying to get R-60's on the German mig-21 and whenever I get one of those planes on my tail, I can only ever dodge one missile before I don't have enough energy to evade and it really makes me nostalgic for earlier times before top tier took a nosedive.
I don’t mind the missiles, it can be quite satisfying to get a kill with them, especially the SRAAMs on the Hunter F.6. Plus they do add some great tactical opportunities. Like using them to cause someone to turn and lose energy. But it is very tiring to fight off constant missile warnings. I think that maybe having an option for a guns only game mode would be a good idea. That way we can have our epic dogfights while also being able to get our missile fix.
Hi Whooptie, can you make a vid about the Étendard 4 from the french tech tree? I know you ve already done one but i just want to know how we can possibly managed this plane to get more kills.
I love the missiles, to me is a fun mechanic that actually helps keep dogfighting in the game, OK remember in prop days when your bf109 got out-sped by your p51s? that doesn't happen anymore, with missile you can't just leave the combat zone, and it gives planes like the draken an ability to use its turn and speed, I say missiles stay in the game, I get nailed by r60s in my phantom and at least I don't cry about it, I replay what I did wrong and I learn how to dodge them (typically idle throttle and pull high GS). In conclusion, missiles are apart of modern combat and people need to incorporate the technique of using missiles and the ability to dodge them as war thunder advances into more modern era's of planes. People need to stop living in the past where guns were the main and missiles were add ons, they should see missiles as the mains and guns as add ons,anyways feel free to disagree..... Anyways nice video and Jesus Christ what an orgasm, congrats!,your not a virgin anymore....
Yeah I wish we had a mode without missiles. Doubt they'll add it though. The playerbase is already spread thin enough among all the modes unfortunately.
@@ridge9066 Ffs. I'm so sick of hearing this argument. I am perfectly aware that there are tiers without missiles. I enjoy the fast dogfights in jets however. I think it would be fun with a guns only mode. Just because you have to rely on missiles to get kills doesn't mean everyone wants to do that.
From what I've been able to tell so far on the deck FGR.2 is still the fastest, followed by the F4E; I've managed 1409km/h on the deck in the F4E testing it a little.
do you think the Mig21 and the Mig19S still have a chance ? and do you think Top tier is now balanced ? request : the G91 R/3 (Germany) it is very enjoyable and challenging please give it a run someday
dogfighting in jets is interesting. "most jets are not made to dogfight"... But that's the fun in dogfighting with jets. Whilst I can safely say that the missiles allow for a lot of cool or fun moments in warthunder, they do also ruin it. If you want to have a good dogfight with someone in this game the only way to do it is custom battles now
I liked more the first weak misiles, now it feels annoying with the insane turning ones, anyways I think it's cool mechanic and ads somethimg u have to think about when flying unike to the BR, I really enjoyed jet stall fighting tho
Not saying you can't dodge them, but you definitely won't at low speeds where the Draken will be AFTER a cobra or any defensive situation. Even less so when the red top laughs at your dodge with its mini nuke.
I really don't like what happened to jet combat since the introduction of missiles. Stall fighting/energy trapping is basically a death sentence right now. Any maneuver that requires you to slow down will be your death.
I think in terms of the RB in general we need to go back to the way things were when it was HB and you had to use your eye balls to find the target. I have never liked the spot marker from AB. I think this would force players to spot treating RB like a slightly more challenging AB and we could actually have some really fun matches like we use to in past
I've been playing the MiG21 with 2x R60s and 2x Tiny Ivans. I highly recommend it. R60s are cheese, and those rockets are just fucking stupid with a 6-900 meter kaboom setting.
Very maneuverable jet with poor durability. The Draken is the Zero of top tier. Unfortunately it won’t be as fun as the Zeros. I guess the most fun jet right now is the J32B.
I do not enjoy the missiles. I’ve been playing the F-35 Sabre because it’s only 2,400 lions to repair, it’s literally impossible to come out negative. But I’ve been having fun in it, much to my own surprise. There’s no missiles.
The Missiles Dont Track the Same Anymore. The Aim-9E's are weaker now but the R-60's are Still Deadly... I Love Using Flares now in my F-4E and is a game Changer outside 1km Away. Welcome to The Modern Age of Dog Fighting or go Back to Props! 🚀 💥💭
I do not play anything past 7.7 because of missies and the lack of dogfights. I don’t see what’s so fun about flying in a straight line and doing nothing but head ons and getting jumped by a jet that didn’t show up on screen until he was 2 seconds away from you.
I personally hate the missile meta that has come to be this patch. I liked how missiles had the ability to be effective last patch, but it wasn’t over done.
They completely destroyed this plane 1. They broke the flight model 2. They removed tracers = unable to aim 3. They didnt added flares to it and its still on 10.7 facing best missiles even all aspect
@@ramo1484 I know the internal tank was 740 gallons. Doesn't go far, I'm sure there was a design to have drop tanks if they ferried the plane any sort of distance.
I am generally scared of playing top tier in the YS, it just literal cancer you can’t do anything, it gets so annoying and I’m trying to spade the thing and it’s getting so hard and it’s insane rep cost makes it so goddamn hard to do anything
I’m alright with missiles. If I get tired on them I just go lower in BRs. I can’t imagine trying to fly these top tier jets without missiles, just doesn’t feel right and looks very wrong.
missiles really leveled the playing field against the annoying try hard 4 man squads in Meta planes like Mig19's. so in that respect i like them, but it does make it more difficult to carry in some circumstances
No one else noticed that this last kill was done by *Zetaris* ? Buddy if you're watching this video you must apologize by doing a *This video is about the Draken in 1.97* no bargaining
90% of it's gonna be me getting vaporised but ok
@@Zetaris "But ok" well now you got me excited
@@Zetaris FGR.2 is temporary. Draken is temporary. Hunter F.6 is eternal. Join the Hunter gang.
@@Zetaris do a 2 minute clip named "this video is about the a4b in 1.97" and its just you firing the gunpods for 2 minutes straight as you realize the thing carries wayyyy too much ammo
@@ExHyperion I kinda already had that idea after your first comment about the guns. I tried them out after you said it lol. I won't steal his thunder if he wants it.
draken: *reverses enemy*
enemy: *runs away*
draken: you weren't suppose to do that
Wait that's illegal.
Ima get the MiG 19 soon, and am.
gonna rocket out of there so quick
pfft... "best turn fighter in top tier: everyone turns with it anyways"
@@WhooptieDo 🤷♂️ still got those thirties tho
Phantom: equips gunpods
Mig 21: goes for head on
Everyone: smacks head on table
I just realise how many time I have seen him in battle, that name, I seen it so Many times
0:10, a virgin no longer!
A *viggen no longer.
When he orgasms
Whooptie lost his virginity in the first clip.
And to answer your question, while there is nothing wrong with missiles, they were cool only when they were first added, and not every single plane had them. But since you have constant furballs in War Thunder with *TINY ASS MAPS* it isn't fun to get missiled every single FUCKING GAME. Short answer, no. Top Tier isn't fun anymore. Or rather, like you said Whoop, without dogfights it isn't.
Well dogfights didn't actually loose their place in War Thunder even between F-4 and MiG 21 matches, they're just sharing it with missiles more or less. And they won't until BVR missile introduction.
@@rowanwild8445 Eh, the dogfights are still not the same. The game is over before proper dogfights even start.
its a different game with missles but people dont like to adapt and change play styles.
modern flight is that, there is no more dogfighting in the sky, its all about missles now (and soon to be anti missle lazers) and thats the direction war thunder is going in.
if you dont like it stick with the sabers
@@Hachiae We know, it's just tough to adapt with the times.
Top tier is more fun for me with more modern planes and missiles.
But to each their own, and for those who don't like it there are lower tiers.
I dont enjoy missiles at all, the lower g load ones were ok, adding r60s to mig 21s was the beginning of the end for me
Yes Whooptie, those missiles ....
I grinded the Draken first day just to get dumped by R60's, and AIM 9J / D's. The stock grind is terrible because top tier is 90% missiles and 10% about the player and the planes. Tbh the only reason I flew more than 5 matches is the fact I love the look of the plane. 180 rounds for 2 guns while the stock belts are far from acceptable, insane speed bleeding in turns, huge amount of RP for the first tier ( because few modifications) , and the Rb 24 missiles on the Lansen was a total joke, but in 10.3 these are near useless. I still love the Draken but I honestly don't have fun flying it right now.
For some reason, I have the Gaijin will implement the improved missiles for the Draken (as it used them irl), we have to wait for that though.
Why don't you guys suggest a new air RB mode with missiles disabled?
@@CaSama I, personally like the missiles. fighting with or against them eighter. A rethinked decompression would solve the balance issue in top tier, and it includes the missile spamming too.
@@la200dool4 I like missiles too, I played through 5 tiers to get them Lol. But would be cool to have a RB mode with all armament disabled alart from guns. Would give people the chance to test their vehicles to their full performance without the fear of missiles
FYI, 180 rounds is wrong. The D model had 100 per gun..
So from the first Few seconds I can see that “oh shit” is going to be a staple with this jet
In a world where the AIM-9X is capable of slapping a target almost 90° off bore, dogfighting is still taught. You can still dogfight with missiles, but the *way* you dogfight needs to change. Disregarding the fact that maps are too small at top tier, players need to understand a few things:
1) Stop running your afterburners all game. Your engines are really hot, and Gaijin has coded them to be even hotter.
2) The drag coefficient changes to missiles mean that missiles turn better at lower altitudes, and accelerate better (and have greater range) at higher altitudes. Maybe you want to rethink initiating all of your fights at 5000ft.
3) The Draken specifically pulls insane AoA resulting in incredibly tight turns, the trade off is that you’re sacrificing all of your speed the instant you pull back on the stick so much. The Draken’s shape means it will function as an air brake above a certain AoA.
Whooptie didn’t gain as much altitude as he thought he did in the end, because he burned off all of his velocity. IRL a cobra (yes I know what he did wasn’t a true cobra, don’t @ me) is a maneuver so situational there’s almost no circumstance in combat where you would actually want to attempt one.
4) Blaming all of your troubles on missiles just sounds like you can’t adapt. I’m average at best in Air RB, and I don’t have any issues dodging missiles outside of *very* specific circumstances-I can’t hit shit mind you, but that’s a separate issue. /endrant
The only point I didn't drive home was that latter battles were never 12 on 12... The pure fact that very few actually understand or care about teamwork (everyone's focused on the grind) and the resulting fact that teams die in a heartbeat, makes its extremely frustrating for the solo player who's actually trying. I just feel that some sort of effort needs to be made with the current matchmaker system to TRY and make the game more enjoyable for the masses at top tier.
Yea bro missles are the bane of the game, if you manage to get to late game it’s incredible how bad mig pilots have gotten with there guns because they set up for missles.
I love that WT is going into more modern times with more modern weapon systems
but the deathmatch game mode is not suited for it, they need to bring back RB EC and make it a regular mode
it's perfect for jets, targets to bomb, intercept and dogfight
wait there was RB EC?
@@Noisykiller12 there was, just as an event once in a blue moon
and it was great. But it was too much fun so Gaijin said "no"
@@MastigosWilkins Many custom games that content creators played like the Dunkirk event looked so much fun and immersive. WT has so much potential and could be the best free to play game out there but they decided to copy Wargaming's style of gameplay.
When I play my stock Hunter F.1 and F.6, I love facing missiles in it, there is nothing I do and it just adds so much skill everytime an enemy kills me.
All i can say is GIT GUD
F.6 is AMAZING. If you have something on your six it either means you engage too early or your team is dead. First would be your fault and second means you're dead already (it IS a team game, so no matter what anybody says team is always a factor)
@@Erenzilable My man I never said anything about being bad or it sucking, I'm just saying it sucks facing missiles that can outturn you and being fired by aircraft 2x faster then you
@@epicaxeguy3323 Yeah, sorry I came off the way i did. Best way to play hunter is by playing it like Thunderbolt: Climb till the furball appears, go to furball and carefully kill the stragglers. You'll get SRAAMs before you know it. Also you can evade R60's if you're have high lateral speed relative to missile. But usually the best way to evade missiles on Hunter is to not be there at all and not be locked. Once you get SRAAMs you're good to go. 4 missiles 4 kills. 1km or less is your firing distance, missile head takes like 2-3 seconds to warm up so anticipate when you can launch and enable tracker in advance. Also this patch we should've gotten a thing that reduces missile range at low alts - SRAAMs don't care about that. Also they finally lock from frontal plane, but you need to be really close (1.5 or so km to lock, and by this point you probably won't be able to hit)
@@Erenzilable That's fine, you apologised, makes you better then 90% of RUclips commenters.
Yeah I've been trying numerous playstyles including climbing. Been a tad more successful but you always meet that one space climbing F-4 or MiG-21, and yeah I've heard about SRAAMs and really want them.
@@epicaxeguy3323 Don't be tempted by stable RP flow of bombing the bases. It does nothing to teach you how to fight and evade those migs and phantoms. But yeah, If you're struggling, try joining an active squadron to squad up with people, makes all the difference. (Hell, try joining my -SPARE- squadron, we welcom people who actually join discord as well and fly in squads. We don't do squadron battles though).
Hunter F.6 (like Javelin) is a team player first and foremost. If you have someone baiting for you, you can get kills really fast. Especially once you unlock SRAAMs. My record was 2 SRAAM kills and 1 cannon kill in less than 30 seconds.
Very real situation is when you see your teammate get chased by 3 enemies, you get in fire a missile on one, immediately lock the second guy and the third guy either nopes outta there or gets killed by your teammates. Whatever you do, never engage the first pursuer because it means you set others on your six, start from the back and you're probably good. Be very careful or don't engage at all if there's more than 3 enemies on 1 friendly.
Missiles, Im completely with you. I hate missile combat, it takes off a gigant skill factor which is manouvering and energy fighting. Sure, missiles are a part of modern planes, but theyre so excessive by now especially with MiG21s running around everywhere and the Americans
Missiles should be like so: the closer you are the enemy the shittyer the missile is so they would only work after a minimum of 1km away so dogfights could be possible
0:09 ... yep. Even Whooptie, the king of Calm sounding War Thunder commentaries... or should i say 'Calm'entaries... gets excited about a sick ass kill
Nah the king would be Oxy
Absolutely loved the intro, really creative ^^
Missiles is what has been keeping me from playing jets completely, I used to only play jets but I just can't enjoy it when I get spammed with AAM's every 5 seconds.
Honestly, every plane that is above 9.7 needs flares. when radar air to air missiles, they also need chaff, even if they didn't have it historically.
No,just no.... Thats just mean, migs depend on missiles, and doing that gives every top tier pane a chance to shit on them xd....
I just realised that the guy you reversed is misty, the one who got banned for making a gif of him killing ripjawz
Great video! Personally, I'm alright with the missiles. I wish flares would work better and that more planes would have them, but the new style of gameplay that has come from the missiles, in my opinion, is really fun. (granted this is coming from someone who has more AIM-9J kills than gun kills in the E so I may be biased, lol)
Yeah, the plane doesn't follow the nose very quickly when turning.
How to bring back "dogfighting" in the era of jets and missiles WT is moving in: make matches with less players and therefore less of the dumb furballs, make maps larger, and remove the stupid missile warning mechanic.
Dogfighting with missiles is a thing. It's just not in WT because games are less about the dogfights and more about which side can throw missiles and hit players too occupied to do anything else except die to it.
Dogfights don't exist in top tier not because of missiles, but because the game mode format is shit. Like, while the WWII prop era is fairly representative of WWII air combat, top tier is... more representative of Ace Combat 7 multiplayer, honestly.
"remove the stupid missile warning mechanic"
While furballs are unrealistic, the warning mechanic is.
@@Cyan37 in reality you don't have a warning for ir stuff, just some very modern planes have warnings for all types of missiles but they are generic warning when they detect a rocket motor somewhere even if your buddy shot it
@@devva9998 Sooo.. I was right is what you're telling me.
I think the missile warning in the game is mainly in place so people still play the game. If people start 'randomly' exploding without a warning, there'll quickly be less and less top tier players.
@@Cyan37 i'm saying that you should be warned by radar guided stuff and not by ir guided stuff, and the rwr should say the type of radar
@@devva9998 This game is not exactly a simulator and in RB people just want to have fun. If it gets too realistc, it might not be fun anymore for most people.
Gaijin needs to make money and keep people in the endgame so they make it simpler, easier and more fun.
The OH SHIT!!! compilation #1 by WhooptieDo
Just threw up a little at how nasty that first kill was, good Lord. Nice vid
I like the modern era of A2A missile combat, but a seperate gun dogfight mode would be wicked.
i didn t saw a single cobra
I don't like the missiles! Stall-fighting in jets (sacrilegious, I know!) was my favorite thing to do before the missiles.
There are lower tiers without missiles.
@@Red_Lion2000 all jet tiers have missiles except maybe 7.0 but 7.0 is screwed
@@Agent-ic1pe There needs to be decompression. 8.0 planes should not face missiles imo.
Br 1.0 - 7.7 don’t face missiles. It would be wrong to have these jets without missiles.
Ridge then have a hard separation between aircraft that have missiles and ones that don’t
Totally agree with you, there should be a game mode where jets can't take guides missiles, you can still load dumb rockets and bombs though. That would be so much fun.
I absolutely love the draken, at least for real as I'm an absolute noob at this game
Hope that the gaijin will ad more and more advanced aircraft like f-15, mig-31 or mig-25
I feel like missiles do ruin the dogfight magic... You know the one, people actually going vertical, furballs of planes trying to get their guns on target, jet combat at very slow speeds
With missiles, you can't have most of these.
About the missiles in the game
I actually think what ruins dogfight in toptier jet is that, the missile aren't strong enough--did not match their ability to kill in real life. Think about this, the guns and cannons in this game are "realistic" enough so we can apply real-life dogfight and energy fight techniques in the game, from props to gen 0 jet-fighters like F-86s, but we can't use real-world F-4 or J35 doctrine because the missile sucks most of the time.
In the real world the missiles are more reliable (not necessarily more tight-turning or so), they always track the target in a steady way so dogfight techniques could be developed around the missile. For example in a real FOX 2 fight, you rarely extend using your extra speed like you would in a gun-only fight (to out-run the guns), 'cause the sidewinder would chase you up no problme; instead you would try to move in-relation to the bandit in close distance, so his missile cannot turn while accelerating in such short-range. FOX 2 dogfight using high-performance missiles could be fun, as I experienced in DCS world, it is just as difficult and fascinating as a gunfight.
But in WT the missile has quiet a chance of homing into nothing, so people still treat guns as the primary weapon (and they need to), so missile IS very annoying since you cannot apply both gun and fox-2 dogfight technique at the same time, and you don't wanna put all your bet on that sh*tty missile. A opposite example is whats happening now between helicopters, helicopter player konws they are not gonna use guns shooting each other very often, so their way of fighting is developed around ATGMs and FOX2s -- still not realistic but at least its not that annoying.
With more advanced vehicles comes more advanced weapons, meta changes through the ranks, like ground battles, in low-mid tier armour means a lot, high tier it’s all about speed and armour doesn’t mean as much because APFSDS cuts through most things, just like missiles on jets, you just have to deal with it
So expensive planes are not friendly while the cheap one are friendly
It's good to know
bruh, you got "ok boomered"
😂😂😂 I'm used to it lol
It seems to me that top tier games are spit into two groups of players, those with AIM-9j's, R-60's, and SRAMS, and those who are just want to be in the first group. I don't mind lesser missiles that much, although I do like the idea of no missile games, but i'm trying to get R-60's on the German mig-21 and whenever I get one of those planes on my tail, I can only ever dodge one missile before I don't have enough energy to evade and it really makes me nostalgic for earlier times before top tier took a nosedive.
I don’t mind the missiles, it can be quite satisfying to get a kill with them, especially the SRAAMs on the Hunter F.6. Plus they do add some great tactical opportunities. Like using them to cause someone to turn and lose energy. But it is very tiring to fight off constant missile warnings. I think that maybe having an option for a guns only game mode would be a good idea. That way we can have our epic dogfights while also being able to get our missile fix.
I love missiles.
missiles are making this feel like GF games every slot lost starts a snowball
Im all for a 'no missiles' game mode
Yep, since helis 8.7 has been the real topctier for tanks, since r60s, 9.0 has been the real top tier, 7.3 has been the fun tier
@@firstequinox9869 f89d is a pain in the ass at 7.3
Missiles aren't fun when you're comprising in an A-5 Sabre
Hi Whooptie, can you make a vid about the Étendard 4 from the french tech tree? I know you ve already done one but i just want to know how we can possibly managed this plane to get more kills.
I much prefer the 19S to the Mig21. Far less effective, but more satisfying
Yes. I try to meme and dogfight and then
*Missile launched*
This plane love cobra Hahaha
Realy good video very funny
I love the missiles, to me is a fun mechanic that actually helps keep dogfighting in the game, OK remember in prop days when your bf109 got out-sped by your p51s? that doesn't happen anymore, with missile you can't just leave the combat zone, and it gives planes like the draken an ability to use its turn and speed, I say missiles stay in the game, I get nailed by r60s in my phantom and at least I don't cry about it, I replay what I did wrong and I learn how to dodge them (typically idle throttle and pull high GS). In conclusion, missiles are apart of modern combat and people need to incorporate the technique of using missiles and the ability to dodge them as war thunder advances into more modern era's of planes. People need to stop living in the past where guns were the main and missiles were add ons, they should see missiles as the mains and guns as add ons,anyways feel free to disagree.....
Anyways nice video and Jesus Christ what an orgasm, congrats!,your not a virgin anymore....
Yeah I wish we had a mode without missiles. Doubt they'll add it though. The playerbase is already spread thin enough among all the modes unfortunately.
br 1.0 - 7.7
@@ridge9066 Ffs. I'm so sick of hearing this argument. I am perfectly aware that there are tiers without missiles.
I enjoy the fast dogfights in jets however. I think it would be fun with a guns only mode. Just because you have to rely on missiles to get kills doesn't mean everyone wants to do that.
Everything can be solved cobra what do you mean.
F-4 bois vs Migs-21 back then
*The Draken have enter the game*
F-4 bois get upgraded with flares: yeaahh boi
*Migs get nothing but crying*
Correct me if im wrong..but if you don't like missiles cant you stick to lower br?
Came to jets after missiles; yes I want dogfighting back
Welcome to Ikea, how may i help you? // Your friendly neighbourhood Mr_Tilt, o7 Whooptie!
From what I've been able to tell so far on the deck FGR.2 is still the fastest, followed by the F4E; I've managed 1409km/h on the deck in the F4E testing it a little.
What loadout configuration?
@@WhooptieDo No payloads at all, on either of them. Level flight at like 10m above the sea.
Unfortunately you have to take the good with the bad with the future comes missiles you just have to deal with it
do you think the Mig21 and the Mig19S still have a chance ?
and do you think Top tier is now balanced ?
request : the G91 R/3 (Germany) it is very enjoyable and challenging please give it a run someday
Mig19 can play the energy game if they come into it wisely but honestly.... Neither really stand much of a chance in a 1v1.
@@WhooptieDo
Saaad
I am going to get it soon ._.
@@The_big_chungus70 also, I already did the R/3 awhile back.
dogfighting in jets is interesting. "most jets are not made to dogfight"... But that's the fun in dogfighting with jets. Whilst I can safely say that the missiles allow for a lot of cool or fun moments in warthunder, they do also ruin it. If you want to have a good dogfight with someone in this game the only way to do it is custom battles now
Hey, i see my bois -SPARE- squadron!
IT'S STARTING TO COME DOWN
ANOTHER KILL ANOTHER DOLLAR
THIS IS WHAT V2 WAS FOR
I liked more the first weak misiles, now it feels annoying with the insane turning ones, anyways I think it's cool mechanic and ads somethimg u have to think about when flying unike to the BR, I really enjoyed jet stall fighting tho
Actually PhlyDaily did evade a missile with a cobra, but maybe because missiles have a "delay" before maneuvring and he was close enough ?
Not saying you can't dodge them, but you definitely won't at low speeds where the Draken will be AFTER a cobra or any defensive situation. Even less so when the red top laughs at your dodge with its mini nuke.
How does the Draken against helicopters like the I-153 Chaika and CW-21 Demon?
It sucks because you can’t even play low tier jets without misses because of that damn seahawk
I really don't like what happened to jet combat since the introduction of missiles. Stall fighting/energy trapping is basically a death sentence right now. Any maneuver that requires you to slow down will be your death.
You still can do that in 8.7 br but we have to know if your enemy carry missiles. Fortunatly most of 8.7 dont carry missiles
I think in terms of the RB in general we need to go back to the way things were when it was HB and you had to use your eye balls to find the target. I have never liked the spot marker from AB. I think this would force players to spot treating RB like a slightly more challenging AB and we could actually have some really fun matches like we use to in past
I hope the Mirage will be able to do similar
Heat *yeeters* deserve their own talk about video
I've been playing the MiG21 with 2x R60s and 2x Tiny Ivans. I highly recommend it. R60s are cheese, and those rockets are just fucking stupid with a 6-900 meter kaboom setting.
Can’t wait to unlock this thing. I feel like I’m going to have way too much fun in this thing.
gay
I enjoy grinding and missile game play so much,
that I quit.
well when you have both an 8.3 and an 8.7 at 390,000rp to grind before the J32s the likelyhood I will waste my time on a niche jet is slim to none
Very maneuverable jet with poor durability. The Draken is the Zero of top tier. Unfortunately it won’t be as fun as the Zeros. I guess the most fun jet right now is the J32B.
If there were no missles what fun would it be going against a phantom with 3 gun pods.
I do not enjoy the missiles. I’ve been playing the F-35 Sabre because it’s only 2,400 lions to repair, it’s literally impossible to come out negative. But I’ve been having fun in it, much to my own surprise. There’s no missiles.
Really hope they rework the draken , Nice vid and greetings from sweden
There is a mode where you don't deal with missiles...just play lower tiers.
I absolutely hate the missiles. Takes the fun outta high tier. If you don't have missiles, consider yourself SOL.
Am I the only one who thought the Phantom in the fist Clip looks like an F16 when it flew past him?
love the new fire animation
The Missiles Dont Track the Same Anymore. The Aim-9E's are weaker now but the R-60's are Still Deadly... I Love Using Flares now in my F-4E and is a game Changer outside 1km Away. Welcome to The Modern Age of Dog Fighting or go Back to Props! 🚀 💥💭
how did you get your speed and all look green? I can't figure out how to do it I've been looking for awhile😅
Damn the Mirage looks sick
I do not play anything past 7.7 because of missies and the lack of dogfights. I don’t see what’s so fun about flying in a straight line and doing nothing but head ons and getting jumped by a jet that didn’t show up on screen until he was 2 seconds away from you.
The beginning kill comp did not include the Cobra maneuver. You just did an overshoot...
How do you control your plane like that j free look
Guns only mode would be great
I personally hate the missile meta that has come to be this patch. I liked how missiles had the ability to be effective last patch, but it wasn’t over done.
is the 18k stock repair cost worth it?
They completely destroyed this plane 1. They broke the flight model
2. They removed tracers = unable to aim
3. They didnt added flares to it and its still on 10.7 facing best missiles even all aspect
It's a A6M Zero basically.
I hate that top tier becoming a point and click adventure
I’ve been saying fuck missiles for the longest time.
draken had real problems with fuel.
i if they wanted to fly at mach 2 they only had 8 minutes left of fuel
😳
@@WhooptieDo if I'm correct they did have a tank below the aircraft just like viggen for extra fuel
@@ramo1484 I know the internal tank was 740 gallons. Doesn't go far, I'm sure there was a design to have drop tanks if they ferried the plane any sort of distance.
@@WhooptieDo drop tank was the word I was out for. And yea I believe they did it to another model
4:40 we just gonna ignore the fact that that FGR 2 was Zetaris?
delta wing for dogfight is the best wing
I am generally scared of playing top tier in the YS, it just literal cancer you can’t do anything, it gets so annoying and I’m trying to spade the thing and it’s getting so hard and it’s insane rep cost makes it so goddamn hard to do anything
OH SHIT THAT REVERSAL MY DUDE
I’m alright with missiles. If I get tired on them I just go lower in BRs. I can’t imagine trying to fly these top tier jets without missiles, just doesn’t feel right and looks very wrong.
I like missile thunder, but something just feels off, wrong. Like it's not actually missile combat. Just doesn't feel right.
So this thing is the essentially the zero of top tier
8:30 "aussie ass connection"
dam aussie internet is a actual meme?
we know its bad but didnt think it was like that
In WT yes. We joke about it often. :-). There's a reason a friend of my changed his name to "Lag_Switched" lol
@@WhooptieDo dam that probebly explains why people have gotten mad at me yet i was confused why.
Thanks for replying ^-^
@@WhooptieDo funny thing is zetaris is actually from australia
I'd like a mode with only tanks and a mode with no plane missiles.
missiles really leveled the playing field against the annoying try hard 4 man squads in Meta planes like Mig19's. so in that respect i like them, but it does make it more difficult to carry in some circumstances
It's funny how the swedens get a supersonic faster then italians