Just remember the Me 163 as of next patch will now face the Lightning. A WWII plane against a 60s interceptor capable of Mach 2. Gaijin is on something
Yeah welcome to this game , you have to deal with fucking idiot devs that have no clue how to balance anything anymore and have the fucking audacity to completely ignore any sense you try to speak into them talking about statistics.Ridiculous.
chief I was vibing with where you were going at the end. the real issue here isnt really compression, its the the only good plane is a pure fighter. If there were game modes with air line ups across multiple brs with more than one objective than just kill everyone. It would kind of be like cs:go, there would be some sort of currency like spawn points in ground rb. you start out with lower br planes and you can get more currency by not only shooting other people down, but doing a little cas, capping points, or even escorting ai planes. It would breath so much more life into the game than "another shiny new jet".
No problem Whooptie, we're way more angry at these than you. You're polite thats why you did not curse, just check the in game chatbox during matches when players talk about Battle rating or next update. You will clearly see frustration and anger in most of them.
Warthunder in essence is just gta online. Everytime an update comes out its just more broken vehicles to overpower the last set of broken vehicles that were added. They keep upping the price of everything new coming out while at the same time rewards for playing stay either the same or get lowered. The grind gets harder for everyone every update forcing you to spend money to progress. If they keep this shit up i dont think warthunder will last. Eventually we are all gonna get sick of the bullshit and leave and right now the bullshit this game spews out is massive.
Funnyest thing about this is that GTA online has actualy gotten better. The last 3 updates (Casino and resort, Casino Heist and Summer special) all didnt add any new broken vehicles, instead they gave the Opressor MK.2 a cooldown, fixed easy way out, fixed passive popping, gave the players a new way to make absurde ammounts of money (Casino heist is amazing, if you are good you can complete the prep missions in an hour and make 2 million dollars on artwork/gold, so 1 million for you and your friend) and they have not added any militarized vehicles in those ubdates other then the armored Paragon and the Zabah which are both extremely underpowerd vehicles which I have never seen being used to grief someone.
You know the f-4c isn’t really competitive against the other 10.3s so I think gaijin should give it am9js and go ahead and drop it to 8.7 I feel think that would balance the game
While we are at it, why dont we give them Aim-9Xs as well? Those 9Js arent really that good and dont hit half of the time, also, we should drop it to 7.0 because missiles are supposed to hit stuff and dont be avoided
I was one of the dumb shits. Then i grinded the china tech tree with F5 and holy shit was i wrong. Let alone my grind with the mig 17 from the russia tree.
something i've noticed, no matter how broken something is, there will always be people that defend it, g91 at 8.0? literally outaccelerate and outrun everything it faces, as well as outturning most of them too? "nah bro come on it only has 4x 12.7mms so its balanced"(mind you this was even before they made 7.7+ all mixed nation battles, so it was just 1 side able to spam it, sitting on their 80% win rate like "nah its balanced")
@@lilac_witch The problem is they like the jet or tank and don't want it to be a handicap. It's very obvious the lightning is OP. That's an insult to lightning players cause that means the kills they get are practically worthless. Seal clubbing.
they say that because now they get 2/3 kills a match or more and call that balanced, some people are just egocentric if they are having "fun" the fun for others doesn't matter
this is the most sickening thing. I remember when they did it to my boy Ta 152, where they both increased its br and didn't do absolutely anything about the ridiculous repair cost
@@the_onionman tbh haven't played it for over a year. The 40k repair cost is one of the simplest examples you can look at to understand how this game is broken to the core and way beyond any saving. I may return now that they have made it more reasonable but why should I? I am not playing germany again with those top tier repair costs. Fuck a bunch of that
Gaijin just keeps adding new planes without a proper place to put them. That's why I only play 10.0 and 8.0. 9.7 is a mess and a half, and I'm pissed that the YS is that 10.0 because it *_DOES NOT NEED TO BE THERE FFS._* Also Whoop, that intro is the peak of comedy. Love the music choice for it.
Well no, the YS was VERY strong against 9.7 and below, but being put at 10.0 where it faces phantoms and such basically moves it from the top of the food chain all the way to the bottom
The only threat to a Lightning F6 is another Lightning F6 when this happens you know that the balance is fucked , and if the Lightning continue 9.7 this BR will soon die, and to already died Im tired of been bullied
I swear the only reason it’s staying at 9.7 is because all the British smoothbrains are turn fighting MiG-15/17s and getting dunked on, therefor keeping its statistics low enough for gaijin to say it’s balanced. And I know this because I’ve met multiple lightning players claim it’s balanced at 9.7 because it can’t turn well despite the fact they’re fighting Korean War era jets with barely enough thrust to get them off the ground in their Mach 2 capable interceptor
I only played the lighting a few times at 10.3 or 10.0 (whatever it was) and it wasn’t fun but now it is just like clubbing seals. I don’t play it much at all now as I only used it to get the skin which needed kills but from that time I saw so many idiots turn fighting migs,g91s and sabres and complaining about it. But right now the lighting is too good or too bad at 9.7 and 10.0, they need to Increase the br badly
They can litterally fix this by putting a hard lock on 10.0. Just put the lightning and all the other jets with missiles that are not good enouth to be competitive at 10.3 but too good for 9.7 at 10.0. They can also put all the aircrafts that are way too fast at 9.7 but would suck at 10.3 in there. 10.0 still wouldn't be the most balanced battle rating but that would make it 100x better than what we have right now.
I've flown the lightning at 9.7 and at 10.0 and I've come to the conclusion that the lightning was perfectly useable at 10.0 yes missiles were an issue, however I found that enemies won't try and take you in a sustained engagement if you were both far away and higher up. What I'd then do is wait a bit and see how the battle was going on. And then I'd try and strike on aircraft trying to climb away from the turnfight scrum. People who say the lightning is fine at 9.7 are the sort of people who tried to used it as an air superiority fighter at 10.0 and got it's stats so low.
@@FelipeG4merBRG no, it would stop them for some time, but soon you'll need another hell just for 10.7 an then just for 11.0. I don't think that's the game I would want to play, but if that's all you want from air rb then go ahead.
bullshit, as if they care. There are so many vehicles that are hard to balance and they shouldn't have added but they don't give a shit. They will probably increase the repair cost stupidly to filter out some players, then throw it at 10.0 by which point people will have forgotten about it as they will have new toys to play with and new gayjin issues to deal with
This is why I left. There isn’t hope for the game. Gaijin doesn’t listen to the community or make good decisions and the game is unbalanced along with patches that release vehicles that are broken 90% of the time. Don’t even get me started on how gaijin doesn’t even play their own freaking game to test stuff (I’m convinced the dev servers are mad for the players to test things instead of gaijin doing it themselves since it’s obvious they don’t with the amount of things that release unfinished and broken) But my point is that the game is trash and so is the company who made it and it’s simply not worth playing because of that.
I totally agree with you on this, but for some reason i just keep coming back. Maybe because i like fighter aircraft. Maybe because i hate myself. I dont know
@@jedbinx2784 it's because as an idea it's excellent. You can't find any other game that is realistic enough for realism enthusiasts, but not a pure sim that requires plenty of hours of serious dedication. But as said by a famous youtuber, the execution is terrible and for the 5+ years I've been playing it never really got better. We always had balance issues, crappy maps, broken and buggy mechanics and compression (if I remember correctly once the game was capped at 7.7, with the T-10M being the top dog, at 7.7!). But ever since they started adding modern stuff I think it's been deteriorating much faster. And of course we are all suffering from sunk cost fallacy, because we have invested too much time, effort and possibly money
Once upon a time this game wasnt realy that bad well the grind was dumb from the start but at least the game play wasnt as piss poor as it is now god i miss the old days
I don't understand. Yes, some BR's are broken AF but there are other BR's where this shit doesnt happen... unless you are a top tier jet guy, there's a ton of vehicules to play... i don't get the "that's why I left the game".... bruh.. play something else...
The first flight of the lightning was over 4 years before the phantom, wasn't a fighter, never designed to be able to turn and yet gaijin used to think they would be competitive against each other... And the f4 c in game has the cannon pod which was only introduced in Vietnam.
well thats nothing new, Phantoms arent in any better state than the Lightning in this regard because Phantom E we have ingame is the early production 1965 variant that faces 1971 upgraded MiG21 SMT... and both are slinging 1973 missiles at each other...
Lightning F.6 is truly a underdog, first gajin nerfs its true potential of interstellar flight, then it puts it against obviously buffed 10.0s and 10.3s. 9.7 is just Gajin correcting their mistakes. Totally fair!
Bruh stop saying bullshit like this, it just bullies 8.7 like seriously if you fell on one of those thing in an ending game you are just like I can't do shit it will just go past you and you will just be like "ok I can't do shit". The game is not fair like in a prop plane if you play correctly and do the right thing you can beat a plane one tier higher than you, why is not applicable with the jets. I stopped playing the G91 R/3 because of that, just my favorite jet. Played only 2-3 Times since the lightning F.6 as I fell 2 Times against it.
@@thesheepcreepproduction4964 They fixed the low altitude performance. Most things performance wise now are pretty close except the climb rate - which should be higher than the F-104. The EE Lightning still holds many climb records to this day
they tried for 2 years now. with each patch it gets worse also. when ever i unlock a vehicle i really like, they ruin it. or make the stock grind unbearable.
as an SB player, i still think that you RB players deserve bigger maps as mutch as SB... it's too chaotic, running min fuel and burning all the time IMO is not enough for enjoy the game that has become. imagine a 9.0 or a 10.0 with the pace of a tier 2...
I made a suggestion on forum about separating 10.0 from Everything else And put EEL, Su7s, Jaguar,.... into it. Suggestion itself was ignored And removed And Smin on Jag forum.post told me its impossible to populate 10.0 by itself.... Yeah. Such a Bulls**t
That's BS man, and I agree, BR should be decompressed to 11.0, the Su-7B, Jaguar, T-2, MiG-19 variants, Starfighter variants, F-100 variants, MiG-21F-13 Variants, the Q-5, the lightning, The Hunter F.6, and finally the G.91YS should be separated into their own BR! Don't forget the J32B and F-11!
While BR decompression should be done, i think that we can get a temporary fix for the problem of EEL and other supersonics without retarded missiles: 10.0 lock. We have it at 9.7, then why can't we have one at 10.0? Having matchmaker for jets
my guess its that 10.3 only forced MM would show how stupid it is to put 1965 early Phantom E, 1963 J35D Draken and 1960 Mirage IIIC against MiG21 SMT from 1971 ... but hey "no russian bias in this game" am i right ? ...
What i love is when you do a high speed pass on someone in a f-104 and they just evade, turn around and launch their magic missile at you, the one you cant evade if you have 2km+ of altitude, and die because you had all the advantage except the missile
My suggested solution for the situation is this: add 10.7 BR just like in ground battles and then br will something like this: 10.7: Mirage, F-4E/EJ/FGR/FG1, Jaguar A/GR.1, MiG-21SMT/MF, Draken 10.3 (there will be hard cap, so 10.3 and lower cannot face 10.7): T-2, Lightning, J7II, MiG-19S/PT, F-104S/Chinna one 10.0: Q-5, MiG-21F-13, Hunter F.6(with fixed SRAAMs), G.91YS, F-100D(US), rest of F-104s 9.7: J-32B, CL-13B, F-100A/D(Fr), Hunter FGA I know that this isn't addressing all the issues, but it will definitely be better than the current situation and it isn't necessary to add more BRs which Gaijin probably don't want to add. Only problem for this system is F-4C, it is probably too much for 10.3, especially with AIM-7s, but it also isn't good enough for 10.7.
Oh, crap. That was you whooptie? I was in the F-100 that ripped......I pulled full elevators and was expecting to compress not pull 13 g's. GG and hope to see you in the skies (not in the lightning, lol)
You perfectly showed the issues with top tier jets. You gave great examples. Great flying. GREAT VIDEO! I also have a request: can you do a video on how to aim/shoot with props and jets? Thanks!
All they have to do is move the the top br to 10.7 and move the the top jets there like the E phantom's, r-60 migs, mirage, darken, and probably the fgr there and put the hard cap at 10.3. then put stuff like the lightning, su-7, f-100, and 10.0's so that they will be at a place where they can be down tired sometimes so they can reely on the airframe some but also get up tired and have to reely on skill more
finlly a yotuber who actually feels bad, about exploiting shit and doesnt just make memes and fun shit. love this guys, i hope gaijin makes a mode where only the planes frm a specific timeline fight each other ,like that be cool
I have two proposals for br decompression. The first tis to add more br caps to break up brs (8.7-9.3), (9.7-10.0) and 10.3 by itself. The second idea I have is exponential br capping. This would change the 1 br point up tier - down tier system currently in game and adjust it to cater to each br range. So for instance, at 9.7, instead of being able to go 1 br point up or down it can only go .3 br points up or down. You could also use it as a br cap. For instance instead of 10.0 being forced into 10.3, it could be set to not go up into 10.3 but only down .3 br points into 9.7. Also you wouldn't have to add brs to decompress the mm, you could just adjust the br range for each battle rating.
Very informative Video. Have just realised the trap I am walking into with Swedish Jets Tunnan against Mach 2 interceptor, Lansen against Top Tier RADAR, R-60 and AIM-9J Missiles? Gaijin needs to get their act together Thank you very much for this video of gold
F40 sabre isn't really any different than any of the other sabres.... still isn't supersonic, and still doesn't climb even a third as good as this thing does.... I can swoop in and pop you before you even spot me.
@@WhooptieDo well my point is that the manoeuverable planes like sbares and G91s are able to dodge the lightning fairly easily... but thats all they can do, no way to catch it even if you dive on it, your missiles also won't be good enough to kill a lightning. There is just no counter play against it. Even today i had a game where it was the end of the match and a 1v1 between my F40 and a lightning, all i did was dodge it until game ended 🤷♂️
Tbh the f6 missles feel like they’ve been nerfed hard, last time I flew it, the sraams don’t track as nearly as good and when they do track the damage they do is tiny.
I had to fly my Mig-19PT since last week for a total of 388 battles to research 780,000 RP through the Mig-21 F-13 and SMT (without premium acc or planes) thanks to the battle rating. Somehow sustained a positive K/D of 305/246 in it and Im broken to the last bone in it even though I grind like there is no tommorow.
Thanks Whooptie, you addressed the issue regarding the YS and other jets. YS is my favorite jet and I almost cried when my friends told me it's going to 10.0 after the update. I mean please, why? Why Gaijin is frustrating us all, aren't we frustrated enough already? Hunter FGA.9 stays at 9.7, F3H-2 Demin stays at 9.3, F-100A stays at 9.7, Scimitar at 8.7 (??), why YS man? Statistics my arse.
@@justbaguette7746 yeah they never go mach 2 in battles, but cmon there's still *generally* a clear difference in acceleration and SL top speed between the mach 2 and mach 1 aircraft
@@justbaguette7746 hence why its called "Mach 2 Capable" instead of a "Mach 2 Aircraft" Capable being: having the ability, fitness, or quality necessary to do or achieve a specified thing.
I feel like the only way top tier should be is in the form of enduring confrotation RB, big open map, cas planes can do their thing, fast planes can zoom around the map looking for people to kill, lower the limit in RB to 12 players most and not 16 like it's in sim, if not even more, since the planes go so fast you can get from one end of the map to another in under one minute. That's how I'm playing top tier right now and it's pretty fun, i don't have to worry about bringing hydras or bombs with me cuz chances are i won't get ganked.
I think we don't even need a mass decompression to fix it. Right now there's one matchmaker block (9.7 -> 10.0) and one de-facto one (7.3 -> 7.7, where WW2 MM switches to mixed MM). The fix is as simple as this: Add another block at 10.0, and add a 10.7 BR. Re-shuffle planes, but pretty much anything at 9.7 right now besides the F-100s and Lightning can stay. That includes the Hunter FGA.9. I do think even with this system the G.91YS and J 32B should go down back to 9.7, though. This is how it works. Have a block at 7.3, so you can't see any higher than 7.3 in a 7.3 or below plane, be it jet or prop. This can be really shit WW2 and early Cold War jets like the Meteor, Me 262s, Arados, Horten, P-80, F-84 etc etc. Then, have a block at 9.7 so you can't see any higher than 9.7 in a 9.7. This makes a "pocket" matchmaker of subsonic Cold War jets from 7.7 to 9.7. Then, add another block at 10.0, so you can't see higher than 10.0 in a 10.0. This makes a little pocket matchmaker of early supersonic jets bar the F-11A and SMB.2 which aren't really supersonic below 5 km. Finally, the last pocket MM is 10.3 and 10.7, balanced by their capabilities to highlight how the Phantoms trump everything rn. 9.7 should consist of: G.91YS, J 32B, Hunter FGA.9, F3H-2 (if it gets AIM-7A Sparrow Is, the beam-riding AIM-7s) 10.0 should consist of: F-100 (all), F-104 (all except S and G CN, and J if it gets AIM-9P/Js), MiG-19 (all), Q-5, Su-7 (both), MiG-21F-13, J-7II, Hunter F.6, Lightning F.6, T-2K (if no AIM-9P/Js), *maybe* F-4C, and the F3H-2 (if it gets AIM-7C Sparrow IIIs, SARH Sparrows). 10.3 should consist of: F-4C if not 10.0, F-104G CN, F-104S (because AIM-7Es), F-104J (if it gets AIM-9P/Js), MiG-21MF, maybe MiG-21SMT (if it gets no R-13Ms or flares), Mirage IIIC, J 35D 10.7 can consist of: F-4E, F-4EJ, Phantom FGR.2, Phantom FG.1, MiG-21SMT if it gets R-13Ms and flares Then, we can also discuss future additions. The Jaguars with their AIM-9Gs and Magics will have to be 10.3. They're too strong missiles to go to 10.0, even if the jets themselves perform fine for this bracket. Giving them both the flares they used irl would help make them more balanced here.. Depending on the missiles, the attack AJ 37 Viggen would be 10.0 or 10.3, while the fighter JA 37 Viggen would be 10.3 or 10.7. Later J 35Ds would likely be 10.3 or 10.7 depending on if they got radar-guided AIM-4s or not. The MiG-21bis would be 10.7 as it'd get better radar-guided missiles than the R-3R and flares/chaff. Early MiG-23s would be 10.7. Later Sukhoi jets like the Su-17 and Su-22 would be 10.3 or above depending on the variant and armament. Later variants of the Mirage such as the Mirage IIIE and 5F would likely stay 10.3 as the armament doesn't change (Magics, R.530s) and neither get flares as far as I'm aware. The Mitsubishi F-1 would likely be 10.3 as it'd definitely get better missiles than the T-2K (AAM-1s and AIM-9P/Js), as well as flares and RWR. The Harrier would be between 10.0 and 10.7, depending on variant and armament and nation that gets it. Later J-7s like the J-7D and J-7E would be 10.3 and 10.7 depending on what missiles Gaijin give it, being equivalent to the MiG-21MF and MiG-21bis respectively iirc. Other, more advanced Chinese jets like later Q-5s, the JH-7, and J-8 would be at least 10.3, more likely 10.7. Finally, more Phantoms like the F-4F and F-4G would be 10.3 due to reduced armament over the F-4E they're based off of. tl;dr add a block at 10.0, add a 10.7, make several pockets of jet BR from 1.0 -> 7.3, 7.7 -> 9.7, 10.0, 10.3 -> 10.7, then shuffle jets around based on capabilities.
I agree 100% about the BR walling is just recreating the same issue as top tier compression, it's a band-aid where surgery is needed. But what you said about missiles just, 'I fly defensive and shake off the first guy, and the second guy slaps me with missiles' Yes, traditional defensive flying is dead in the age of missiles in a 12v12, and I'm fine with that. I've experienced a lot more of the combat is less centered around the furball, and more centered around sizing each other up and trying to gain better positioning to start the fight in an advantageous position. I like it this way better personally, that the old style is fine where there (shouldn't) be missiles, but this new way is also it's own thing. Air RB's game modes need a big rework. With radar missiles extending ranges, and the possibility of drop tanks for added fuel. I think towards the higher end of the game, there should be bigger maps, and a new focus on carrier based combat would be amazing to see. New Forestall carriers, and a revamping of AAA to include SAMs with *ample* warning. And move more focus and rewards to ground pounding elements. Maybe I'm just asking for a really cool Enduring confrontation, but I think about it a lot. I'm mostly a tank player, and I work for my planes to make sure my air game isn't weak in Tank RB. It was a shame to see A-4B air spawn be abused to the point you'd be TKed by people mad you dared to ground attack in a ground attacker in Air RB.
I agree completely. People would rather throw a tantrum when they die to a missile instead of actually watching their six or learning to counter them. I hope Gaijin doesent nerf missiles to uselessness because of these whiners, as the missile combat if refreshing after so many years of subsonics with only guns. We need bigger maps for sure, i dont know why the English Channel isnt in the rotation, i feel that would be a good start. I pretty much only play top tier jets and its the only thing i find fun in this game after playing for 7-8 years, its a perfect balance between an arcade flight game like ace combat, and a sim like DCS.
Playing this game since 2013. Always was glad to play top tier jets meeting players like whip, spit flier, oxide, skybeercan (that mofo got me killed on a montage that whip had made and made me want to never be in a montage being killed like an idiot 😂) orange doom when we was cool, aquila, smigol who I happened to squad up with him on the good ol cl13s and many many more that by fighting them I managed to become very good at jet combat and in general gameplay. Loved how the jet community was smaller with 6v6 and 7v7s in the old days where matches were far more acceptable of dogfights and you had the space to do your own thing. I'm the past 3 years iv put time and effort into creating 5 forum posts that were written properly to explain in the easiest way possible for both gaijin and the players who have no idea what jets used to be of why they were fun, what was actually fun and why the matchmaker made more sense and the balance was far more gameplay focused than monetary. All those 5 posts were recognize by members of the community with a big amount agreeing and even adding to my statements on the forums only to end up seeing all 5 be deleted just 2 - 3 days after posting while making sure there is no offencive use towards gaijin by both me and both the people who participated in that said post only proving me gaijin never really cared since the game became full release and selling stocks to China forcing them more and more and more monetary tactics. I can't waste any more time with this game and the only thing I can bother is play specific vehicles that hurt the game to make as many people possible angry so more and more traction comes from the community cuz if nothing comes from that, gaijin won't do shit. They don't deserve the money they are making, they are very secretive as a company comparing to Escape from tarkov that is far more open towards its future and what it wants to achieve. Fuck Gaijin and fuck War thunder.
That's the thing most people are just taken in with the Cold War propaganda. Its power to alter perception still reigns. I think this is why the Lightning is such a conundrum in where its placed, what it's capable of, which version model etc.. The F3 did indeed equal in parts the F15 c, according to Brian Carrol and Mike Hale. Both of these guys are on record stating they climbed to 85,000 plus feet in the Lightning. Yet the official documents state 60, 000. Who do ya believe? What was the Lightning truly capable of? Brian Carroll has stated they had time trials with F15C's beating them to 30,000 feet. Carroll compares at length the Lightning and F15C, the disparity not being so great it seems as in WT. All anecdotal and paling in significance to the dokuments comrade.
@@Heaven-dy9lj The documents are the equivalent of HSE guides for operating the EEL safely and not stressing the aircraft. Brian Carrol wrote the book on how to handle the Lightning and was an instructor that many pilots avoided being assessed by. Front line Pilots used the beast very differently and the actual performance capabilities were/are secret There are reports of EEL's regularly tracked over the North Sea by Dutch radars at Mach 3 and one lucky pilot stressed his kite by more than 13 g when pulling out of a dive through low cloud, when reprimanded and asked why he did it his reply was that he couldn't pull the stick back any harder !! The Engines were tuned for mission and were constantly upgraded although unfortunately the platform was not developed due to the 1957 Defense Report where the eventually TSR became the Tornado. The Saudi's got the best Lightnings that helped keep them flying but they eventually replaced them with F15's that struggled to match the ELL's performance but had better range and equipment. I have seen both display and the Lightning was always far more impressive and just jaw dropping ruclips.net/video/pp7LQbtezhw/видео.html ruclips.net/video/VC8CsVpg64o/видео.html
I think bigger maps can solve some of the missile problems. I have flown in DCS before and we have AIM-120 in that game. DCS is never chaotic like WT top tier because the maps are 10 times bigger.
Camouflage I wouldn’t go so far to say that ED care about their community since they have made some questionable decisions in recent years. On the DCS forums you can also find complains about various things although not as much as the WT forum.
Bigger maps aren't going to solve this issue alone. We'd need to have an incentive for people to spread out. Like how we spread out attackers by having multiple groups of ground targets. Another way could be by having the spotting system be overhauled so that players have to actively give information to their teammates about where the enemy is instead of the automotic system that's in place currently
I was inspired about whooptie's j7ii video around a year back Ground it out only to find it's now at 10.0 facing 10.3 missile slingers with no hope of survival Frustrating bruh
Yes, another roudn of compression rant, i love them because there's not enough of them. I would even love a 1 on 1 matchmaking that randomly chose the same plane for both contender but that's another subject. and compression start at 7.7 nowadays, not 8.7 get those 8.7 planes higher so meteors can shine again.
Was having fun playing my 8.7-9.3 jet a few patches ago (was still kinda sad about the mig-19 not being good anymore but whatever) and then gaijin decides to introduce more high engine power jets that dont turn all that well and the lightning into the 9.7 matchmaking making it not worth playing anymore. Its just props with some okay balance and tanks which i dont find fun at all
THIS, this is exactaly why i left too, no way to keep playing to reach the top, to get the last plane, if that last step to get it is a fucking shit show. The amount of frustration is impossible to bear
i have more than 1k hours in props and like you said I hate top tier because you don't have any control of the match you just get shot down by the guy that tracked you from 20km with its radar and decided to follow you. I used to enjoy in f9f with 9b missiles but I don't have fun anymore I'm sticking to props.
I've learned why I don't do rants. I tend to anger myself more by the end of the vid... sorry for the abrupt stop....
Just remember the Me 163 as of next patch will now face the Lightning. A WWII plane against a 60s interceptor capable of Mach 2. Gaijin is on something
@WhooptieDo
I think gaijin need have a War Thunder Meta ways, like why not with youtubers/streamers and all community. Just a idea :Think:
Yeah welcome to this game , you have to deal with fucking idiot devs that have no clue how to balance anything anymore and have the fucking audacity to completely ignore any sense you try to speak into them talking about statistics.Ridiculous.
chief I was vibing with where you were going at the end. the real issue here isnt really compression, its the the only good plane is a pure fighter. If there were game modes with air line ups across multiple brs with more than one objective than just kill everyone. It would kind of be like cs:go, there would be some sort of currency like spawn points in ground rb. you start out with lower br planes and you can get more currency by not only shooting other people down, but doing a little cas, capping points, or even escorting ai planes. It would breath so much more life into the game than "another shiny new jet".
No problem Whooptie, we're way more angry at these than you. You're polite thats why you did not curse, just check the in game chatbox during matches when players talk about Battle rating or next update. You will clearly see frustration and anger in most of them.
Lightning F.6 was hit by too many R60s and AIM-9Js and got isekai’d into the alternate universe of 9.7
atleast he didn't get hit by a truck....
Su 7 could be considered a truck.
@@theeditingdepartment9421 it would die from fear before the truck would hit it
@@theeditingdepartment9421 Truck-kun was in this case, high-grade missiles
"Why don't you play jets anymore"
Well here you go
Warthunder in essence is just gta online. Everytime an update comes out its just more broken vehicles to overpower the last set of broken vehicles that were added. They keep upping the price of everything new coming out while at the same time rewards for playing stay either the same or get lowered. The grind gets harder for everyone every update forcing you to spend money to
progress. If they keep this shit up i dont think warthunder will last. Eventually we are all gonna get sick of the bullshit and leave and right now the bullshit this game spews out is massive.
Funnyest thing about this is that GTA online has actualy gotten better.
The last 3 updates (Casino and resort, Casino Heist and Summer special) all didnt add any new broken vehicles, instead they gave the Opressor MK.2 a cooldown, fixed easy way out, fixed passive popping, gave the players a new way to make absurde ammounts of money (Casino heist is amazing, if you are good you can complete the prep missions in an hour and make 2 million dollars on artwork/gold, so 1 million for you and your friend) and they have not added any militarized vehicles in those ubdates other then the armored Paragon and the Zabah which are both extremely underpowerd vehicles which I have never seen being used to grief someone.
We're only missing the modders)))
Papa palms thats legitimately a great comparison
wt will never be as good as gta until they have an update to let u bang flight attendants on the planes.
You know the f-4c isn’t really competitive against the other 10.3s so I think gaijin should give it am9js and go ahead and drop it to 8.7 I feel think that would balance the game
And give it airspawn too
Don't forget the Aim 9Zs to just give it a fair fighting chance, airspawn would be nice too...
While we are at it, why dont we give them Aim-9Xs as well? Those 9Js arent really that good and dont hit half of the time, also, we should drop it to 7.0 because missiles are supposed to hit stuff and dont be avoided
@@HoovyLuca how about we introduce Aim-120 cuz f4 needs to yeet you before you take off
@@Abdototti06 yeah man, Phantoms suffer a lot, they cant even turnfight Draken and Mirages! This is outrageous!
...and I met multiple people who actualy thought that the Electric lightning is balanced at 9.7.
Yeah I dont know what to say ether.
I was one of the dumb shits. Then i grinded the china tech tree with F5 and holy shit was i wrong. Let alone my grind with the mig 17 from the russia tree.
something i've noticed, no matter how broken something is, there will always be people that defend it, g91 at 8.0? literally outaccelerate and outrun everything it faces, as well as outturning most of them too? "nah bro come on it only has 4x 12.7mms so its balanced"(mind you this was even before they made 7.7+ all mixed nation battles, so it was just 1 side able to spam it, sitting on their 80% win rate like "nah its balanced")
@@lilac_witch The problem is they like the jet or tank and don't want it to be a handicap. It's very obvious the lightning is OP. That's an insult to lightning players cause that means the kills they get are practically worthless. Seal clubbing.
Bro I played with some dude earlier that said the draken needed moved down 🙄 people are just retarded
they say that because now they get 2/3 kills a match or more and call that balanced, some people are just egocentric if they are having "fun" the fun for others doesn't matter
They throw my boy g91ys under the bus again. Twice. At the same time.
Repair and br
yep, time to leave it to collect some dust and cool off for a couple of years.
And i believe ma boi J32 also still expensive as hecc now
this is the most sickening thing. I remember when they did it to my boy Ta 152, where they both increased its br and didn't do absolutely anything about the ridiculous repair cost
@@CetoFreakingKaiba Don't forget the flap and low speed maneuverability nerf 😭
@@the_onionman tbh haven't played it for over a year. The 40k repair cost is one of the simplest examples you can look at to understand how this game is broken to the core and way beyond any saving.
I may return now that they have made it more reasonable but why should I? I am not playing germany again with those top tier repair costs. Fuck a bunch of that
Gaijin just keeps adding new planes without a proper place to put them. That's why I only play 10.0 and 8.0. 9.7 is a mess and a half, and I'm pissed that the YS is that 10.0 because it *_DOES NOT NEED TO BE THERE FFS._*
Also Whoop, that intro is the peak of comedy. Love the music choice for it.
Thanks bud. 😆
Well no, the YS was VERY strong against 9.7 and below, but being put at 10.0 where it faces phantoms and such basically moves it from the top of the food chain all the way to the bottom
@Abdul Mohymin its actually not about speed, but its both faster and has better turn rate as well as better guns and a missile loadout
Seems Legit Unless it gets aim9js it should not be at 10.0
Same goes for the Lansen
YS clubs people on the regular in 9.7. Not sure it needed to go to 10.0, but it was so easy to dominate with it
I'm so glad you kept your own voice! HAHAHA! Best WT intro in a while.
😆😆😆
Ha ha ha that intro was awesome.
Btw Hunter F.6 was more or less competitive with F-4's and 21's, but gaijin did screw up SRAAM's, so they pretty much useless now.
Id have to say much less
Finally someone undestand the f6 suffer
@@PaPaFiggy69 I'd say you can't intercept enemies
The only threat to a Lightning F6 is another Lightning F6 when this happens you know that the balance is fucked , and if the Lightning continue 9.7 this BR will soon die, and to already died Im tired of been bullied
I swear the only reason it’s staying at 9.7 is because all the British smoothbrains are turn fighting MiG-15/17s and getting dunked on, therefor keeping its statistics low enough for gaijin to say it’s balanced.
And I know this because I’ve met multiple lightning players claim it’s balanced at 9.7 because it can’t turn well despite the fact they’re fighting Korean War era jets with barely enough thrust to get them off the ground in their Mach 2 capable interceptor
Breezy it seems like lightning players have 2iq
I only played the lighting a few times at 10.3 or 10.0 (whatever it was) and it wasn’t fun but now it is just like clubbing seals. I don’t play it much at all now as I only used it to get the skin which needed kills but from that time I saw so many idiots turn fighting migs,g91s and sabres and complaining about it. But right now the lighting is too good or too bad at 9.7 and 10.0, they need to Increase the br badly
exactly like the F11 turningfighting sabers
They can litterally fix this by putting a hard lock on 10.0.
Just put the lightning and all the other jets with missiles that are not good enouth to be competitive at 10.3 but too good for 9.7 at 10.0.
They can also put all the aircrafts that are way too fast at 9.7 but would suck at 10.3 in there.
10.0 still wouldn't be the most balanced battle rating but that would make it 100x better than what we have right now.
I've flown the lightning at 9.7 and at 10.0 and I've come to the conclusion that the lightning was perfectly useable at 10.0 yes missiles were an issue, however I found that enemies won't try and take you in a sustained engagement if you were both far away and higher up. What I'd then do is wait a bit and see how the battle was going on. And then I'd try and strike on aircraft trying to climb away from the turnfight scrum. People who say the lightning is fine at 9.7 are the sort of people who tried to used it as an air superiority fighter at 10.0 and got it's stats so low.
These were the people who wanted an easy game of Lightning.
b-but the lighting is the best jet of its generation, it even intercepted a civilian airliner!
@@AttiliusRex well, Concorde was certainly no slouch
9.0-9.7 MM lock
10.0 MM lock
10.3 MM lock
don't even need to raise it to 11.0
Still better than what we have now.
Gaijin: oh but then the queue times will be slightly longer, and the most important thing is queue times. Who cares about gameplay anyways ?
yeah let's just close everyone in their own hell instead of actually fixing the issue!
@@corvus9490 that lock would fix the issues... at least most of them
@@FelipeG4merBRG no, it would stop them for some time, but soon you'll need another hell just for 10.7 an then just for 11.0.
I don't think that's the game I would want to play, but if that's all you want from air rb then go ahead.
Gaijin going to remove this thing like the Maus cuz " It WaS tOo hArD tO BaLaNcE"
bullshit, as if they care. There are so many vehicles that are hard to balance and they shouldn't have added but they don't give a shit. They will probably increase the repair cost stupidly to filter out some players, then throw it at 10.0 by which point people will have forgotten about it as they will have new toys to play with and new gayjin issues to deal with
War Thunder is such a unique game with so much potential, but the developers just ruin it.
Seriously, 10min ago a lightning was the only person alive and murdered my team of subsonics
This is why I left. There isn’t hope for the game. Gaijin doesn’t listen to the community or make good decisions and the game is unbalanced along with patches that release vehicles that are broken 90% of the time. Don’t even get me started on how gaijin doesn’t even play their own freaking game to test stuff (I’m convinced the dev servers are mad for the players to test things instead of gaijin doing it themselves since it’s obvious they don’t with the amount of things that release unfinished and broken)
But my point is that the game is trash and so is the company who made it and it’s simply not worth playing because of that.
Very well said, most dissapointing game I have ever played
I totally agree with you on this, but for some reason i just keep coming back. Maybe because i like fighter aircraft. Maybe because i hate myself. I dont know
@@jedbinx2784 it's because as an idea it's excellent. You can't find any other game that is realistic enough for realism enthusiasts, but not a pure sim that requires plenty of hours of serious dedication.
But as said by a famous youtuber, the execution is terrible and for the 5+ years I've been playing it never really got better. We always had balance issues, crappy maps, broken and buggy mechanics and compression (if I remember correctly once the game was capped at 7.7, with the T-10M being the top dog, at 7.7!). But ever since they started adding modern stuff I think it's been deteriorating much faster.
And of course we are all suffering from sunk cost fallacy, because we have invested too much time, effort and possibly money
Once upon a time this game wasnt realy that bad well the grind was dumb from the start but at least the game play wasnt as piss poor as it is now god i miss the old days
I don't understand. Yes, some BR's are broken AF but there are other BR's where this shit doesnt happen... unless you are a top tier jet guy, there's a ton of vehicules to play... i don't get the "that's why I left the game".... bruh.. play something else...
The first flight of the lightning was over 4 years before the phantom, wasn't a fighter, never designed to be able to turn and yet gaijin used to think they would be competitive against each other...
And the f4 c in game has the cannon pod which was only introduced in Vietnam.
well thats nothing new, Phantoms arent in any better state than the Lightning in this regard because Phantom E we have ingame is the early production 1965 variant that faces 1971 upgraded MiG21 SMT... and both are slinging 1973 missiles at each other...
@@Asghaad I agree gaijin needs more vehicles in the game rather than having a single godly aircraft
Tbf though this appears to the be one of the last productiom variants of the Lightning
Lightning F.6 is truly a underdog, first gajin nerfs its true potential of interstellar flight, then it puts it against obviously buffed 10.0s and 10.3s. 9.7 is just Gajin correcting their mistakes.
Totally fair!
i saw a video explaining how the eel underperform at low alt, but overperform at high alt
Bruh stop saying bullshit like this, it just bullies 8.7 like seriously if you fell on one of those thing in an ending game you are just like I can't do shit it will just go past you and you will just be like "ok I can't do shit". The game is not fair like in a prop plane if you play correctly and do the right thing you can beat a plane one tier higher than you, why is not applicable with the jets. I stopped playing the G91 R/3 because of that, just my favorite jet. Played only 2-3 Times since the lightning F.6 as I fell 2 Times against it.
@@thesheepcreepproduction4964 yes
@@thesheepcreepproduction4964 They fixed the low altitude performance. Most things performance wise now are pretty close except the climb rate - which should be higher than the F-104.
The EE Lightning still holds many climb records to this day
KillshotBen Only the Lightning where it was specially fitted to do those records.
we need all war thunder youtubers to band together and tell gaijin to stop and listen!
#FixWarThunder
they tried for 2 years now.
with each patch it gets worse
also. when ever i unlock a vehicle i really like, they ruin it.
or make the stock grind unbearable.
F-100was good until they added MiG-21SMT. It was fun even when F-4C was added but now they added planes better in every aspect
Anyone else even more pissed off that repair cost was multiplied by 5 or 6 damn times?!
as an SB player, i still think that you RB players deserve bigger maps as mutch as SB... it's too chaotic, running min fuel and burning all the time IMO is not enough for enjoy the game that has become. imagine a 9.0 or a 10.0 with the pace of a tier 2...
+the J32 has a 26,000 SL repair cost
If only gaijin would make a test server available to players to test planned updates before they are considered to be released like wot.
I used to think wargaming didnt care about their game but then Gaijin appeared
I made a suggestion on forum about separating 10.0 from Everything else And put EEL, Su7s, Jaguar,.... into it. Suggestion itself was ignored And removed And Smin on Jag forum.post told me its impossible to populate 10.0 by itself.... Yeah. Such a Bulls**t
That's BS man, and I agree, BR should be decompressed to 11.0, the Su-7B, Jaguar, T-2, MiG-19 variants, Starfighter variants, F-100 variants, MiG-21F-13 Variants, the Q-5, the lightning, The Hunter F.6, and finally the G.91YS should be separated into their own BR! Don't forget the J32B and F-11!
Benjamin Padilla I concur. I’m flying the J-7 and I’m sick and tired of getting sniped by AiM-9js, R-60s and the mantras.
The reason the excuse exists is because no one plays 10.0 because it faces 10.3/7 so it becomes a viscous cycle.
While BR decompression should be done, i think that we can get a temporary fix for the problem of EEL and other supersonics without retarded missiles: 10.0 lock. We have it at 9.7, then why can't we have one at 10.0? Having matchmaker for jets
my guess its that 10.3 only forced MM would show how stupid it is to put 1965 early Phantom E, 1963 J35D Draken and 1960 Mirage IIIC against MiG21 SMT from 1971 ...
but hey "no russian bias in this game" am i right ? ...
@@Asghaad i think draken is stronger than the MiG21...
@@AttiliusRex ill take your word for it as i dont have one and i see them in battle so rarely that i cant have an opinion on one of those ...
Ohh i remember back then when my sabres facing MiG19 and T-2
And now we have this bloody thing, things never changed i guess
Is true!
Gaijoke can't balance the game.
Man that intro and the secondary pilot chat intro really reminded me of good ol machinima like some red vs blue style
What i love is when you do a high speed pass on someone in a f-104 and they just evade, turn around and launch their magic missile at you, the one you cant evade if you have 2km+ of altitude, and die because you had all the advantage except the missile
OMG that intro, 🤣🤣 that's awesome whooptieDo
Daily reminder that a KOMET now has to face the Lightning.
"No uptier should ever be easy"
Laughs in Venom
The intro is the G.91 YS in this moment
I bought the g91 ys 20 minutes before I heard it went up to 10.0
lovely sl waste
My suggested solution for the situation is this:
add 10.7 BR just like in ground battles
and then br will something like this:
10.7: Mirage, F-4E/EJ/FGR/FG1, Jaguar A/GR.1, MiG-21SMT/MF, Draken
10.3 (there will be hard cap, so 10.3 and lower cannot face 10.7):
T-2, Lightning, J7II, MiG-19S/PT, F-104S/Chinna one
10.0: Q-5, MiG-21F-13, Hunter F.6(with fixed SRAAMs), G.91YS, F-100D(US), rest of F-104s
9.7: J-32B, CL-13B, F-100A/D(Fr), Hunter FGA
I know that this isn't addressing all the issues, but it will definitely be better than the current situation and it isn't necessary to add more BRs which Gaijin probably don't want to add. Only problem for this system is F-4C, it is probably too much for 10.3, especially with AIM-7s, but it also isn't good enough for 10.7.
Oh, crap. That was you whooptie? I was in the F-100 that ripped......I pulled full elevators and was expecting to compress not pull 13 g's. GG and hope to see you in the skies (not in the lightning, lol)
lol... might have been better this way :) GG man.
xD this intro.....sooooooo u in for another advertisment? I see ur already experienced
I'm not old enough to do Viagra commercials yet! stahhhp.
@@WhooptieDo Not if you got into that Van and sign the Paper. If you do that your're making million Dollars. Just hop in
@@WhooptieDo Bru
Best intro to any video ever honestly
I think a good, ez strat would be instead of hard capping 10.0-10.3, just have anything at 9.7 or over only go up or down 0.3 br
You mean .3 BR?
@@WhooptieDo yeah
there needs to be an in-between in br's for that thing, so in other words decompress pls mr snail.
You perfectly showed the issues with top tier jets. You gave great examples. Great flying. GREAT VIDEO! I also have a request: can you do a video on how to aim/shoot with props and jets? Thanks!
The lightning is basically a shonen manga protagonist at this point.
All they have to do is move the the top br to 10.7 and move the the top jets there like the E phantom's, r-60 migs, mirage, darken, and probably the fgr there and put the hard cap at 10.3. then put stuff like the lightning, su-7, f-100, and 10.0's so that they will be at a place where they can be down tired sometimes so they can reely on the airframe some but also get up tired and have to reely on skill more
finlly a yotuber who actually feels bad, about exploiting shit and doesnt just make memes and fun shit. love this guys, i hope gaijin makes a mode where only the planes frm a specific timeline fight each other ,like that be cool
I have two proposals for br decompression. The first tis to add more br caps to break up brs (8.7-9.3), (9.7-10.0) and 10.3 by itself. The second idea I have is exponential br capping. This would change the 1 br point up tier - down tier system currently in game and adjust it to cater to each br range. So for instance, at 9.7, instead of being able to go 1 br point up or down it can only go .3 br points up or down. You could also use it as a br cap. For instance instead of 10.0 being forced into 10.3, it could be set to not go up into 10.3 but only down .3 br points into 9.7. Also you wouldn't have to add brs to decompress the mm, you could just adjust the br range for each battle rating.
WHY THE HELL ISN'T THE F100 9.7?
Very informative Video. Have just realised the trap I am walking into with Swedish Jets
Tunnan against Mach 2 interceptor, Lansen against Top Tier RADAR, R-60 and AIM-9J Missiles?
Gaijin needs to get their act together
Thank you very much for this video of gold
okay so why did they move the su-7b up to 10.0? sure it goes a little bit faster BUT DOESNT HAVE ANY FLARES OR AAM.
Same reason the Q5 and others are there...
Playing the F40 sabre, the lightning isn't as much a threat as it is a nuisance. Very easy to dodge them but impossible to catch them
F40 sabre isn't really any different than any of the other sabres.... still isn't supersonic, and still doesn't climb even a third as good as this thing does.... I can swoop in and pop you before you even spot me.
@@WhooptieDo well my point is that the manoeuverable planes like sbares and G91s are able to dodge the lightning fairly easily... but thats all they can do, no way to catch it even if you dive on it, your missiles also won't be good enough to kill a lightning. There is just no counter play against it.
Even today i had a game where it was the end of the match and a 1v1 between my F40 and a lightning, all i did was dodge it until game ended 🤷♂️
@@WhooptieDo but then again, gaijin doesn't listen to it's own playerbase so all we can do is hope for some kind of fix
Tbh the f6 missles feel like they’ve been nerfed hard, last time I flew it, the sraams don’t track as nearly as good and when they do track the damage they do is tiny.
I've heard that as well, doesn't surprise me one little bit... at all...
I had to fly my Mig-19PT since last week for a total of 388 battles to research 780,000 RP through the Mig-21 F-13 and SMT (without premium acc or planes) thanks to the battle rating. Somehow sustained a positive K/D of 305/246 in it and Im broken to the last bone in it even though I grind like there is no tommorow.
Thanks Whooptie, you addressed the issue regarding the YS and other jets. YS is my favorite jet and I almost cried when my friends told me it's going to 10.0 after the update. I mean please, why? Why Gaijin is frustrating us all, aren't we frustrated enough already? Hunter FGA.9 stays at 9.7, F3H-2 Demin stays at 9.3, F-100A stays at 9.7, Scimitar at 8.7 (??), why YS man? Statistics my arse.
As soon as i enter the battlefield in my lightning i just get missiled
Fighting Mach 2 capable fighters in my ME-163 B-0? Im loving it.
I hate how everyone says "Mach 2 capable" when talking about the lightning or F104 back then. Like yeah its op but cmon it never reaches mach 2
@@justbaguette7746 yeah they never go mach 2 in battles, but cmon there's still *generally* a clear difference in acceleration and SL top speed between the mach 2 and mach 1 aircraft
@@justbaguette7746 hence why its called "Mach 2 Capable" instead of a "Mach 2 Aircraft"
Capable being: having the ability, fitness, or quality necessary to do or achieve a specified thing.
that's why i stopped trying to grind jets and realized that playing top tier props is way more fun anyways
I enjoyed playing the a5 sabre but because of this I’ve decided to grind the french airplane tech tree
I feel like the only way top tier should be is in the form of enduring confrotation RB, big open map, cas planes can do their thing, fast planes can zoom around the map looking for people to kill, lower the limit in RB to 12 players most and not 16 like it's in sim, if not even more, since the planes go so fast you can get from one end of the map to another in under one minute.
That's how I'm playing top tier right now and it's pretty fun, i don't have to worry about bringing hydras or bombs with me cuz chances are i won't get ganked.
I think we don't even need a mass decompression to fix it. Right now there's one matchmaker block (9.7 -> 10.0) and one de-facto one (7.3 -> 7.7, where WW2 MM switches to mixed MM).
The fix is as simple as this: Add another block at 10.0, and add a 10.7 BR. Re-shuffle planes, but pretty much anything at 9.7 right now besides the F-100s and Lightning can stay. That includes the Hunter FGA.9. I do think even with this system the G.91YS and J 32B should go down back to 9.7, though. This is how it works. Have a block at 7.3, so you can't see any higher than 7.3 in a 7.3 or below plane, be it jet or prop. This can be really shit WW2 and early Cold War jets like the Meteor, Me 262s, Arados, Horten, P-80, F-84 etc etc. Then, have a block at 9.7 so you can't see any higher than 9.7 in a 9.7. This makes a "pocket" matchmaker of subsonic Cold War jets from 7.7 to 9.7. Then, add another block at 10.0, so you can't see higher than 10.0 in a 10.0. This makes a little pocket matchmaker of early supersonic jets bar the F-11A and SMB.2 which aren't really supersonic below 5 km. Finally, the last pocket MM is 10.3 and 10.7, balanced by their capabilities to highlight how the Phantoms trump everything rn.
9.7 should consist of: G.91YS, J 32B, Hunter FGA.9, F3H-2 (if it gets AIM-7A Sparrow Is, the beam-riding AIM-7s)
10.0 should consist of: F-100 (all), F-104 (all except S and G CN, and J if it gets AIM-9P/Js), MiG-19 (all), Q-5, Su-7 (both), MiG-21F-13, J-7II, Hunter F.6, Lightning F.6, T-2K (if no AIM-9P/Js), *maybe* F-4C, and the F3H-2 (if it gets AIM-7C Sparrow IIIs, SARH Sparrows).
10.3 should consist of: F-4C if not 10.0, F-104G CN, F-104S (because AIM-7Es), F-104J (if it gets AIM-9P/Js), MiG-21MF, maybe MiG-21SMT (if it gets no R-13Ms or flares), Mirage IIIC, J 35D
10.7 can consist of: F-4E, F-4EJ, Phantom FGR.2, Phantom FG.1, MiG-21SMT if it gets R-13Ms and flares
Then, we can also discuss future additions. The Jaguars with their AIM-9Gs and Magics will have to be 10.3. They're too strong missiles to go to 10.0, even if the jets themselves perform fine for this bracket. Giving them both the flares they used irl would help make them more balanced here.. Depending on the missiles, the attack AJ 37 Viggen would be 10.0 or 10.3, while the fighter JA 37 Viggen would be 10.3 or 10.7. Later J 35Ds would likely be 10.3 or 10.7 depending on if they got radar-guided AIM-4s or not. The MiG-21bis would be 10.7 as it'd get better radar-guided missiles than the R-3R and flares/chaff. Early MiG-23s would be 10.7. Later Sukhoi jets like the Su-17 and Su-22 would be 10.3 or above depending on the variant and armament. Later variants of the Mirage such as the Mirage IIIE and 5F would likely stay 10.3 as the armament doesn't change (Magics, R.530s) and neither get flares as far as I'm aware. The Mitsubishi F-1 would likely be 10.3 as it'd definitely get better missiles than the T-2K (AAM-1s and AIM-9P/Js), as well as flares and RWR. The Harrier would be between 10.0 and 10.7, depending on variant and armament and nation that gets it. Later J-7s like the J-7D and J-7E would be 10.3 and 10.7 depending on what missiles Gaijin give it, being equivalent to the MiG-21MF and MiG-21bis respectively iirc. Other, more advanced Chinese jets like later Q-5s, the JH-7, and J-8 would be at least 10.3, more likely 10.7. Finally, more Phantoms like the F-4F and F-4G would be 10.3 due to reduced armament over the F-4E they're based off of.
tl;dr add a block at 10.0, add a 10.7, make several pockets of jet BR from 1.0 -> 7.3, 7.7 -> 9.7, 10.0, 10.3 -> 10.7, then shuffle jets around based on capabilities.
I agree 100% about the BR walling is just recreating the same issue as top tier compression, it's a band-aid where surgery is needed.
But what you said about missiles just, 'I fly defensive and shake off the first guy, and the second guy slaps me with missiles'
Yes, traditional defensive flying is dead in the age of missiles in a 12v12, and I'm fine with that. I've experienced a lot more of the combat is less centered around the furball, and more centered around sizing each other up and trying to gain better positioning to start the fight in an advantageous position. I like it this way better personally, that the old style is fine where there (shouldn't) be missiles, but this new way is also it's own thing.
Air RB's game modes need a big rework. With radar missiles extending ranges, and the possibility of drop tanks for added fuel. I think towards the higher end of the game, there should be bigger maps, and a new focus on carrier based combat would be amazing to see. New Forestall carriers, and a revamping of AAA to include SAMs with *ample* warning. And move more focus and rewards to ground pounding elements. Maybe I'm just asking for a really cool Enduring confrontation, but I think about it a lot.
I'm mostly a tank player, and I work for my planes to make sure my air game isn't weak in Tank RB. It was a shame to see A-4B air spawn be abused to the point you'd be TKed by people mad you dared to ground attack in a ground attacker in Air RB.
I agree completely.
People would rather throw a tantrum when they die to a missile instead of actually watching their six or learning to counter them. I hope Gaijin doesent nerf missiles to uselessness because of these whiners, as the missile combat if refreshing after so many years of subsonics with only guns. We need bigger maps for sure, i dont know why the English Channel isnt in the rotation, i feel that would be a good start.
I pretty much only play top tier jets and its the only thing i find fun in this game after playing for 7-8 years, its a perfect balance between an arcade flight game like ace combat, and a sim like DCS.
Trust me man your frustration is 100% warranted
Bruh, this is what happens when you bullied the quiet kid at school.
The intro was enough to make a grown man CRY 😢 😭 😭😭
the last statement was spot on
I'm still an advocate for replacing Air RB with Enduring Confrontation. It would give bombers and attackers something to do at least...
And now the 163 has to fight this thing. How do you call that "balanced"?
That into was really really funny.
Im very happy that you touched br topic. Content creators have only leverage to move stoned SNAIL in better direction. Carry on and good luck.
Playing 9.7 uptiers I never notice BR really, but the lightning is just some god-like BRRRRT machine with MASSIVE missiles and Mach 1+ on the deck
Playing this game since 2013. Always was glad to play top tier jets meeting players like whip, spit flier, oxide, skybeercan (that mofo got me killed on a montage that whip had made and made me want to never be in a montage being killed like an idiot 😂) orange doom when we was cool, aquila, smigol who I happened to squad up with him on the good ol cl13s and many many more that by fighting them I managed to become very good at jet combat and in general gameplay. Loved how the jet community was smaller with 6v6 and 7v7s in the old days where matches were far more acceptable of dogfights and you had the space to do your own thing. I'm the past 3 years iv put time and effort into creating 5 forum posts that were written properly to explain in the easiest way possible for both gaijin and the players who have no idea what jets used to be of why they were fun, what was actually fun and why the matchmaker made more sense and the balance was far more gameplay focused than monetary. All those 5 posts were recognize by members of the community with a big amount agreeing and even adding to my statements on the forums only to end up seeing all 5 be deleted just 2 - 3 days after posting while making sure there is no offencive use towards gaijin by both me and both the people who participated in that said post only proving me gaijin never really cared since the game became full release and selling stocks to China forcing them more and more and more monetary tactics. I can't waste any more time with this game and the only thing I can bother is play specific vehicles that hurt the game to make as many people possible angry so more and more traction comes from the community cuz if nothing comes from that, gaijin won't do shit. They don't deserve the money they are making, they are very secretive as a company comparing to Escape from tarkov that is far more open towards its future and what it wants to achieve. Fuck Gaijin and fuck War thunder.
i bet everything i have that they won't fix the compression issue in tanks and planes because they don't care
Well at least a lightning has now got a chance to do something
EEL should be at least a 12 as it's performance was comparable to an F15
That's the thing most people are just taken in with the Cold War propaganda. Its power to alter perception still reigns. I think this is why the Lightning is such a conundrum in where its placed, what it's capable of, which version model etc.. The F3 did indeed equal in parts the F15 c, according to Brian Carrol and Mike Hale. Both of these guys are on record stating they climbed to 85,000 plus feet in the Lightning. Yet the official documents state 60, 000. Who do ya believe? What was the Lightning truly capable of? Brian Carroll has stated they had time trials with F15C's beating them to 30,000 feet. Carroll compares at length the Lightning and F15C, the disparity not being so great it seems as in WT. All anecdotal and paling in significance to the dokuments comrade.
@@Heaven-dy9lj The documents are the equivalent of HSE guides for operating the EEL safely and not stressing the aircraft. Brian Carrol wrote the book on how to handle the Lightning and was an instructor that many pilots avoided being assessed by. Front line Pilots used the beast very differently and the actual performance capabilities were/are secret
There are reports of EEL's regularly tracked over the North Sea by Dutch radars at Mach 3 and one lucky pilot stressed his kite by more than 13 g when pulling out of a dive through low cloud, when reprimanded and asked why he did it his reply was that he couldn't pull the stick back any harder !!
The Engines were tuned for mission and were constantly upgraded although unfortunately the platform was not developed due to the 1957 Defense Report where the eventually TSR became the Tornado.
The Saudi's got the best Lightnings that helped keep them flying but they eventually replaced them with F15's that struggled to match the ELL's performance but had better range and equipment.
I have seen both display and the Lightning was always far more impressive and just jaw dropping
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@@sichere The Lightning is totally misunderstood. An amazing groundbreaking plane for sure.
@@Heaven-dy9lj Indeed
I am waiting this video soooo long
8:11, that made me hurt a little inside.
RIP grinding modules for my MIG 15
called this stuff about decompression before the f-104s came out, its been one frustrating road
"If you have an erection lasting more than 4 hours, try our newly improved 10.0" lmfaooooooooo I died at that
EC for air rb jet games (atleast) would be a nice addition.
its gonna be a plane which they will take out and it will be like the Maus tank and be a market only vehicle
I think bigger maps can solve some of the missile problems. I have flown in DCS before and we have AIM-120 in that game. DCS is never chaotic like WT top tier because the maps are 10 times bigger.
more like 1000x. And ED actually cares about it's community
Camouflage I wouldn’t go so far to say that ED care about their community since they have made some questionable decisions in recent years. On the DCS forums you can also find complains about various things although not as much as the WT forum.
Bigger maps aren't going to solve this issue alone. We'd need to have an incentive for people to spread out. Like how we spread out attackers by having multiple groups of ground targets.
Another way could be by having the spotting system be overhauled so that players have to actively give information to their teammates about where the enemy is instead of the automotic system that's in place currently
@WhooptieDo Why not the player base boycott jets/top tier Air RB as a whole??
Cries in G91
Yeah ima get the German g91 r/4 on sale and I already know ima get stomped on by SuperSonics
I was inspired about whooptie's j7ii video around a year back
Ground it out only to find it's now at 10.0 facing 10.3 missile slingers with no hope of survival
Frustrating bruh
Yes, another roudn of compression rant, i love them because there's not enough of them. I would even love a 1 on 1 matchmaking that randomly chose the same plane for both contender but that's another subject. and compression start at 7.7 nowadays, not 8.7 get those 8.7 planes higher so meteors can shine again.
I remember when war thunder had 20 battle rating segments
Wait until he hears about the harrier
Was having fun playing my 8.7-9.3 jet a few patches ago (was still kinda sad about the mig-19 not being good anymore but whatever) and then gaijin decides to introduce more high engine power jets that dont turn all that well and the lightning into the 9.7 matchmaking making it not worth playing anymore. Its just props with some okay balance and tanks which i dont find fun at all
Yo I actually dodged a Red Top in F11 yesterday xD
I might hear it again soon, when everyone will say
"Air rb is dead"
THIS, this is exactaly why i left too, no way to keep playing to reach the top, to get the last plane, if that last step to get it is a fucking shit show. The amount of frustration is impossible to bear
I’m so sorry for all the pain I caused 💔
i have more than 1k hours in props and like you said I hate top tier because you don't have any control of the match you just get shot down by the guy that tracked you from 20km with its radar and decided to follow you. I used to enjoy in f9f with 9b missiles but I don't have fun anymore I'm sticking to props.
Man ..this intro is awesome 😹
My only hope is that this is a set up for in the future when they cut off 10.3 and up form 10.0 and let 10.0 face down to 9.0 again.
Continue, totally agreed
I'm scared because I'm gonna use a 7.7 jet its the j28b and I'm worried there will be aircraft 10X better then mine