National Trust UPDATED Drone Policy - What Changed? Plus advice on planning your flight!
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- Опубликовано: 17 апр 2023
- Hey everyone! With the weather improving here in the UK, many of us will be venturing out to capture the perfect picture or footage with our drones. Every summer, many drone pilots seek out the stunning architecture and landscapes managed by National Trust, who have always been very public in their desire to not promote recreational drone flight at their locations. However, they have recently updated the drone policy on their website. In this Geeksvana LIVE show, Sean will look at the updates and see what has changed. We will also talk about Sean’s tips and tricks to make sure your flight at any National Trust, English Heritage or similar location, goes without a hitch and you get the best shots possible! Come and join the LIVE chat to have your say…
Link to National Trust boundary map shown in show:
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It always amazes me how these rules of "peace" & "nuisance" can be made yet my neighbour from hell can do DIY spanning over 4 years banging on the shared wall with drilling/sawing and the council refuse to do anything. But if I fly my drone it's "get him".
You want to ban people from doing DIY work in their own home ?
@@SsKk558that’s not what he said, response to everything should be proportionate. Not all drone flyers, by a long way, cause a nuisance.
@@SsKk558 No. The same way I don't want drone flying banned. But flying all day, every day, disturbing the community, I can see that would be a problem and it's treated as such. Someone with a hammer and power drill is perfectly fine though. Doesn't make sense to me.
The right to do something should end when it negatively impacts others, whether that be drone flying or constant DIY projects. The difference being it's far less likely that drone flying would negatively impact someone.
very well said, it's a joke...
My neighbours dog is barking all the time, it's such a nuisance. It is disturbing all my piece and quiet!
They can update any policy they want, as long as it's not in restricted air space and you are on public land you can fly over their land all you want (drone regulations permitting).
100%
Perhaps you could help me? Is public footpath across NT land to be considerate as public land I potentially can take off?
The large drone on the front of the document has (in my opinion) been added to strengthen the drama of drones and imply that they are a nuisance etc.. not to use a regularly used mini 2 or similar..
Good luck enforcing this!
Really interesting changes, I feel a lot more comfortable about flying responsibly around NT sites now, especially if challenged. I always find politeness, consideration and knowledge are the best defence whenever you’re approached.
Great report Sean. It would be great if could get an appropriate person from NT to be interviewed on this. For instance they seem very concerned about the insurance hobbyists hold. Would they be open to a sub 250g operator providing there CAA Fler/Operator ID and their 3rd part liability cover in advance of a booked visit? would they consider offering slots at times it is very quiet from the general public? e.g. Sunrise and sunset are amazing times for 'golden shots' with few public around. As the custodians of some of the most amazing and photogenic properties in the world, it would be amazing if they took a step towards us and I think it looks like they have opened a tiny crack in the door.
Everywhere I have flown in my first year I have had people embracing me and the drone and my flight and I get to talk to people about it when I land. People will wait and watch and be like wow. Like me when I first got one, I think the public dont realise how good they are so it is always a form of enjoyment for them..
Same, had some very nice conversations, few people interested in seeing the footage and even nabbed a few subs on here from these conversations 😅
Would be interesting to know how many people have been injured by a drone on National Trust property
Hey @Geeksvana, great topic - and I loved the intro. I could almost hear you commanding "Roll VTR" in my imagination. National Trust are still SO behind the curve. Just think of the publicity they'd get from Content Creators if only they gave us a bit more freedom - or just ran advertised "Drone Days" outside peak periods.
Don’t currently have a drone but this video has been so helpful thank you ❤
LOL. That photo was carefully chosen. Not the same impact if it featured the DJI Mini 4 Pro LOL...
They would have used a Reaper picture if they could.
The way they word it makes it clear that you can fly over their sites FROM outside the sites. "As a landowner, the National Trust does not permit drone operation *FROM* any of our land and properties."
There is a NT property near my house which has no personnel or staff present at any time, and no facility for housing such. It is fully open at all times, even at night. If I were to take my Mini 2 to the site and launch it there, there is virtually no chance anyone is even going to notice. This is also because it is rare that any more than five or six people are there at any time.
What another fab video big thankyou. I live very close to lots of national trust land, infct the feild behind my house but one is a national trust farm. I live in area of outstanding natural beauty, on jerrassic coast in west dorset. I've found this all very interesting. Big Thank-you love Christine xx
Thanks first point of call for myself keep up the good work
Great advice 👍 thank you
Liked and subscribed 😊
I have been having an ongoing conversation with NT about overflight for a while, and suggested that they modernise their rules. I did mention though that they could consider different rule sets for open sites vs historic property sites.
You can legally overfly as long as you take off from land not theirs. (And have line of sight etc)
I have been a PPL for over 50 years. I have overflown National Trust sites hundreds of times and orbited. At the correct heights of course which is higher than a small drone.
Watching it later. Do the NT insist cyclists have fully and adequate insurance? Or does everyone on NT property need to show proof of 3rd party liability insurance?
Very informative and useful video thanks 👍 liked and subscribed 👍
Not just drones. Here in Cornwall the National Trust are taking away permission to fly hang and paragliders from their sites. So much for public access
Missed the live because it was 4am here but have watched it.
More perplexing is the National Trust for Scotlands position on drone activity, I’m aware in Scotland that the land reform (Scotland) act 2003 does permit “recreational activities” in relation to land access. Certain activities such as motorised vehicular access are not included. But as people have pointed out, most recreational drones aren’t vehicles (they don’t convey people or cargo). And yet, they don’t permit drone use, seemingly contrary to rights granted under this act.
Yes, I know I’m confused as the 2003 Land Reform Act is complicated by the 2005 Scottish Outdoor Access Code, section 2.14, which states “model craft” require landowners permission. Is a drone a model aircraft? As National Trust Scotland implies that they are on their website in their “policy on the use of unmanned aircraft 2020”. They also define such aircraft to be above 250g. So what about sub 250g? Then the NT Scotland site says you can fly if you ask permission, have public liability insurance, operator ID etc and that “The Trust welcomes drone usage on its properties”. 🤔
The NTS do allow recreational drone use but you do need to speak to their filming manager at least a week in advance and have at least £2M in public liability insurance
Can i ask are you talking about the mini 2 & 3 pro as its under 249g and if you fly over 50feet you are clear to do so. And if you take off on public land they don't own the air, the Gide lines are for the larger drones over 250g that have a lot more guid lines yes. Thanks for the info and love your updates, thanks for posting
I live in the Lake District and volunteer with the National Park. The Park’s view is that drone flying is allowable as long as all CAA rules and insurance needs are obeyed. However nearly one third of the Park is owned by the NT including popular spots like Langdale, Wasdale and therefore Scafell Pike, Englands highest peak. I see drones fairly regularly in these areas. The NT policy is draconian, but there are still other areas where flying is permissible. It would be impractical to seek landowners permission, many, as in Scotland are huge estates. Sadly the National Park own very little land.
They should be renamed 'National Trussed'.
Hi. Absolutely loving your content; seriously informative stuff. Thanks!
After considering a drone for years and talking myself out of it, I think this year Santa will bring me an Air 3 Pro.
I have been investigating whether legislation is just too prohibitive to make the present a non-starter, feeling that it isn’t - just.
If I may, a question? Is a public footpath through a field considered ‘safe’ launching ground that carries the same open rules as a regular tarmac’ed footpath? 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Be responsible, fly safely and just send it...
39:30 Would like to know about flying mini-2 in Cyprus, look forward to that.
As always. Better info on this channel and more time saved than using the plethora of websites out there with often contradicting info.
It's not just places like stone henge and manor houses that this impacts, massive areas of Snowdonia/Eryri are owned by the NT 😢
My local beach is NT, the longest in England actually.
They dont allow drones, but its next to a military airbase anyway, so the entire area is geo blocked except for a small 300m strip at one end right next to a MOD firing range, the guards just watch me fly without saying a thing
If the national trust had “drone evenings/afternnons” “off peak” for a nominal fee as long as appropriate insurance is held, they could gain more money. Also if they specify we supply a photo or video or two they’d be laughing all the way to the bank.
Little bit of thought on their part would be increased income and happy drone flyers and photographers
Does this mean I can take off from public and then fly over National trust areas?
Yes. Which you could always do. It is just now National Trust's policy also reflects that.
good video mate i have had a few conversations with nt and im also a member fully insured fpv uk etc but got no reply when asking for permission to fly a lake out of bird breeding season etc met a stonewall after supplying details and flight plans etc
FPV UK will give us liability insurance for £20 a year.... Good that the NT have finally dropped the lunacy or trying to control the air space, but this policy is still more appropriate for stately homes, nice gardens or areas of SSI. Ultimately their policy also applies to huge swathes of countryside that that control; literally miles and miles of open, desolate countryside. Unless they ban cars and families, which usually make far more noise than a little Mini 3 Pro. So like all flights, I assess based on the immediate environment and conditions, rather than a pointless blanket ban..... Cheers Sean!
Hey Ian! I agree, a blanket policy is always ineffective. In this case, the only people it puts off are those more likely to be responsible and have insurance! Certainly, they need to look at it for the countryside locations.
I get the feeling they are worried about drones at a low height being either hazardous or flown in a dangerous manner .
Most drones above 70 meters or so are less obtrusive ,
A really interesting video, thanks for sharing. As a new recreational drone pilot (mini 3), I was wondering if you have any recommendations for public liability insurance and / or cover for loss or damage to my drone?
I use coverdrone very cheap policy got public liability and building damages upto 1 million
About £18 for the year .
I have not covered the drone just the above 👆
Cover drone is the best! My mini 3 crashed when flying through a building - lost signal - and coverdrone paid me out for the drone 🤙🏻
In Germany, and as far as I am aware also in the rest of Europe, you have to provide proof of a liability insurance covering the operating of a drone, before you can get an operators ID. On what statistic, if any, does the NT bases its statement, tthat "pilots...rarely have the correct insurance..."?
I have heard of some minor drone crashes, but never of any mayor recrational dronecrash that caused extrem damage.
@@silverfox9843 As operator of a drone, you need to get an operator ID. In the process of getting this ID in Germany (and under EU-Rules), you have to provide proof of insurance. Without the insurance, you will not get an operator ID and in the consequence, you will not be able to fly legally.
Outside of their policy, has the law changed or can you still legally do this with a 249g drone.
I’ve just completed the brilliant UAVHub A2CofC course and am confident of passing the exam.
I did this with the expectation of purchasing the Mavic 3 classic with all the advantages it has over my mini 3 pro.
But now I’m having second thoughts. If I still do get the Mavic 3 I intend to break two of the fundamental CAA rules and often fly it from my garden, as I do my mini 3. Then I’ll take it up to say a couple of hundred feet and immediately fly it on to where I will follow the rest of the CAA rules regarding separation etc.
I will do this on the basis that it’s extremely unlikely to crash and even more unlikely to damage anything even if it did.
As for breaking the VLOS rule that I have consistently broken with my mini 3 pro, my feeling is this. The reason I see this rule consistently being broken is that it’s unreasonable to expect a pilot to see the orientation of one’s drone even as close as 150 metres when one is inevitably looking at one’s screen frequently as well. And at 500 metres away the same applies.
So the question is do I still buy the superb Mavic 3 classic bearing in mind what I’ve said?
We all have to make our own decisions in life. There is no justification for breaking the law and flying like that simply puts the hobby at risk.
If you think flying a drone the size of a Mavic 3 BVLOS routinely, ignoring rules on separation etc, then I would suggest you should not own a drone.
There is a HUGE difference in flying outside the CAA GUIDANCE of orientation, which most people do, and flying BVLOS with a large drone like the Mavic 3 which would cause damage and/or injury should it crash.
Dress it up how you wish, what you are doing is breaking the law. Would you find it acceptable if I live next door to you but decided to ignore road safety and drove beyond the law each time I left my house?
@@Geeksvana You are generalising of course. The statistical chance of my drone doing as you suggest and crashing is pretty well zero if I do as I suggested, wouldn’t you agree? Your comparison with my neighbour breaking the law isn’t the best because I’m sure many do break the law like do over 70 on our motorways, with very little chance of having an accident.
Generalised? No. I was answering your comments specifically. It amazes me how people justify their actions when all it comes down to is breaking the law. The end. If you want to do it, then go do it and don't tell the world online...
Have you seen the correlation between speed and accidents on the roads?? The fact that so many people speed is a proven cause of death, so perhaps choose another example. Sorry, but 'everyone else does it' still isn't an excuse.
Neither is 'my drone won't crash etc' based on nonsense analysis of made up statistics. Drone crashes happen every day. If we don't fly responsibly then we hand those who would end our hobby the ammunition for tighter regs. Don't like the existing rules? Do something about it that won't impact the hobby for everyone else.
@@Geeksvana thanks again for taking my question seriously, I appreciate you bothering to reply. I take issue with you suggesting my example is a made up statistic.
If I were you I would stick with the mini 3 pro. There's no need to upgrade to a drone with less features and less flight catagories in your case, you are just putting yourself and maybe others at higher risk. Don't waste your money
If you are going to take risks like this, make sure all other risks are mitigated. Check the weather, satellite coverage, drone, everything.
We can't stop you, but it's not hard to follow the rules. Especially with something as easy as the mini 3 pro. The rules with the mini 3 and an a2cofc are very liberal. So there's no reason to take the risks.
I have nothing against The National Trust but I will work around the issues, and fly where I see safe and fit to do so. Understandably if the risks outweigh the positives then I will not fly near by.
Dont take off or land from NT land, make a risk assessment (as you always should) and you can overfly all you want. NT cant stop you and they have known for a long time that they cant. Be prepared to be challenged on occasion but reply with the usual profanities and you are good to go.
There's a reference to an upcoming video at around 39:22 which talks about flying your drone in the EU.
Is that video available to view, or is it a private members video, or now a planned video?
Thank you.
Hey! Just finished editing it and will be released early next week.
@@Geeksvana Thank you sir.
they contradict them selves they state no drone flying because it disturbes the wild life but they can fly drones and they can choose who can fly drones
essentially what it feels like they have said is "Its Nuisance to everyone unless were getting paid for it"... its such a shame as its not as if there is 100's of flyers at any one given time... and as soon as you have taken off the noise dissipates as you get higher.
Sports mode it is then 😅
National Trust places seem to be just like everywhere else!!!
NT has over 250k hectares and most isnt available to the general public in any way.... so much for the common person in the UK. I teach risk assessments in a health and safety capacity, and in a class of 10 I will get 10 different assessments, 20 different risks, and scoring of severity and consequence. As long as you have the basics written down and maybe laminate then no-one can really challenge it as it YOUR risk assessment and based on YOUR knowledge, experience and opinion.
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At 23:13 you discuss where you can take off outside a NT boundary but may not be able to then film what you want due to no line of sight. I wonder, is it legal to walk to the area you are wanting to film once you’ve taken off from behind said boundary, film what you need and then walk back and land?
I would say no as then you are operating the drone from their land. Taking off, operating and landing from public land would obviously be legal but moving on to their land after taking off would be you operating from their land regardless of where you take off and land from.
@@MarkBowenPiano makes sense, I was just wondering that’s all as there seems to be so many loopholes in these policies.
Oh and thanks for the reply (a whole year later 😄)
@@Simulacra001 Crikey! I didn't even realise the post was from that long ago! I'd been watching so many drone videos today and this one just popped up.
@@MarkBowenPiano I’ve heard of doom scrolling/binge watching RUclips but this is taking the biscuit hehe
All joking aside, thanks for the reply and happy flying.
On the other side of letting people take off from their land, if they did allow it then it could potentially make it safer, people would be more likely to follow the LOS rules and it means they are closer and hence they can keep a better eye on the drone when following LOS rules.
If they cannot legally prevent people from flying over their land then the best course of action should be to make sure that flights can be done as safely as possible, like letting people be on the sites when they fly. They can talk about insurance but then shouldn't they be trying to minimise risks too and can't they have insurance on their buildings that covers drones and uninsured pilots?
Can you take off and then walk onto their land with the drone in the air?
Hey Robert. No, the operation is still on their land. As landowner/manager they are allowed to prevent any use they wish.
I think the National Trust should reinstate anti-aircraft guns, like they had during WW2, on the south coast or those barrage balloons they had. They could go full tech and have hunter killer drones, or dragon kites.
The map is useful, thanks, but it doesn't really make clear that all those different coloured shaded areas are no go for drone flight? I couldn't quite get from your video, is it ok to fly over NT space (observing all the normal drone rules and regs), just not FROM NT land?
Hey Julian! 100% correct. If you are flying legally and not from NT land, all is good.
The different colours on the map denote leased, owned, or managed land. In all cases, NT has the right to request that we do not fly from there. Do note, however, the roads, etc, often criss crossing, giving potential take-off sites.
@@Geeksvana Brilliant, thanks you. I've always been under the impression that we simply cant fly over NT land :| So this is some good news.
great chat do you have the map of property boundries please
Thanks for the kind words and for reminding me! I will go pop it in the description, but here it is: national-trust.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=59d0d36e5b3a44ae8cc49fe38d47ffd7
Hi Sean. Wat is the map you are using is it Drone Scene?
Hi Stephen! For this demo I was using the following map: national-trust.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=59d0d36e5b3a44ae8cc49fe38d47ffd7
Hi Sean I did email you a while ago re overflight of a neighbours garden
And the op was sure overflight was not allowed without permission quoting the height at which landowner has rights over the airspace above their property and he provided supporting evidence of the lower stratum being 500 to 1000 ft as the limit
Now we all know max height for a drone is 400ft so applying his logic then it would not be possible to fly anywhere without permission
As it stands drone flight can be at a height that is reasonable to avoid nuisance however this has never been set at a height by any court as far as I know so it would only take some rich landowner to get a ruling in court after of course said brown envelopes have been have been handed out that sea that limit to 500ft and drone flight becomes illegal instantly
We think that this couldn’t happen to drone flight but money talks just like the ruling on wild camping on Dartmoor recently
So do not operate from NT property, maintain mk1 eyeball line of sight, and have BMFA or equiv insurance.
Maybe they could change the policy to members of the national trust can fly if they pay for membership.
if there are no CAA flight restrictions effecting the area you want to fly over and allows for the flight of your particular drone class then you are legally allowed to fly from a public place.
Presumably the National Trust or a land owner cannot prevent you from using a public right of way like a footpath or bridleway, so providing it is safe to do so, would it be legal to launch a drone from there ?
The simple answer is, yes! Certainly, the landowner cannot stop overflight at a reasonable height, subject to all the usual rules.
The only thing to watch for in terms of paths and bridleways, is that many of then will have a clause about not loitering etc. This stops people from sitting in farmers fields but claiming they can because of a right of way path etc. This is a rabbit hole of side info you are never likely to have an issue with though.
@@Geeksvana Thank you for the info, so just to clarify on footpaths running through NT areas, if there is no clear signage restrinctions stating otherwise, and it is safe to do so and not a nuisance, then a drone could be launched from the footpath but not from the land surrounding either side?
They don’t own the airspace so their rules mean nothing as long as you fly from a public location
Sorry I missed the live section.
I'm relatively new to the hobby and I'm sorry and sad to say this but the more I watch videos like this, the more it worries me and puts me off flying.
That's the idea... (to put people off flying). We still a right to fly. Just think about what you are doing and don't be a dick. If you fly sensibly and don't make a nuisance of yourself, the general public will just ignore you.
@@Chilternflyer I say 'noob' but I've flown over 500 miles but I still feel like I've no idea what I'm doing.
@geeksvana what exactly is the rules with regards people INVOLVED. So my company are celebrating 40yrs later in this year. And so was wondering if I’d be able to take some aerial shots. I probably wouldn’t go directly fly over them because there will be many people there.
Involved usually means that the persons you are flying near to have been briefed on the flight, the potential risks that are involved and that they have explicitly agreed to. In basic terms you can’t make assumptions that someone is involved unless you have spoken to them eg you can’t put signs up that say drone flight in progress and class then as involved.
Also do be careful with crowds as you should never overfly a congregation.
When are they going to ban people taking DSLRs on site? Image quality way superior to most hoppyist drones!
@@chrisschepper9312 Exactly!
The Civil Aviation Authority governs drone flying.
When my dji 3 is 100 meters up it’s almost impossible to see and hear, it’s funny because they’re basically saying don’t pay, fly in and video/photograph what you like but don’t pay or join the National trust. 😂
I would like to fly mp3 over new forest but this is from their website. SThe New Forest is a beautiful place and it is understandably tempting to come here to fly your drone. However, part of what makes the National Park special is its wildlife, free roaming ponies and tranquillity, which can all be affected by the presence of drones and model aircraft.
Consequently, the flying of drones or UAVs (unmanned aerial vehicles) is tightly controlled in the National Park to minimise disturbance of wildlife and people.
Seems like a complete ban. Also where does Beaulieu 'aerodrome' model flying area fit here?
Hey Dave! As a landowner they can prevent a lot of activity they do not like. It is only policy rather than law and it only becomes an issue if you refuse to stop/leave. This includes taking off from their land with a drone. They cannot control overflight although taking off from outside the New Forest makes it impossible in terns of VLOS.
Some people approach private landowners within the forest. I have done this before with hotels giving impromptu permission to take off from their car parks etc.
@@Geeksvana I will check if Beaulieu aerodrome is still usable from a UAV perspective.
......National Parks do seem to have a different policy to National Trust.
The New Forest mention this within their drone information page:
'Flying on private land
Flying a drone for leisure or non-commercial reasons on private land within the National Park is allowed. This is providing you have the landowner’s permission and adhere to the Civil Aviation Authority’s drone code'
There is still a little overreach in terms of the policy but they do at least concede it is only the take part that is an issue, which of course is a civil issue.
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I used to be a member of the national Trust but have left because of all these rules they make up they forget its the members pay for the land and buildings
GEEK,,,How you doing FAMILY...
Hey Jonathan!! I am good thank you sir. Getting some flying in between the British showers.... 🤘 Hope you are well.
@@Geeksvana i am,,, kind of windy in Georgia, usa,,, but I'll be in the air as well...
Hi, can you take-off from and land on a public footpath that crosses National Trust land?
Hi guys - I'd like to congratulate the NT on recognising the legal limits they have in overflight etc. But I'd like to pose a question - if a person politely asks you NOT to do something on their property, that legally you have the right to do, do you ignore the polite request and do it anyway? Like parking a car outside someone's house, lighting a log burner next to their fence, taking photos of their house.... I feel there's a lot of 'its my right' rather than polite consideration here.
It would be far better if many landmarks and properties organised 'drone days' (with CAA assistance?) specifically for enthusiasts, perhaps one day a month, and publisize it so the general public can avoid it if they don't want to be bothered by drones.
I can't help thinking that the NT and others would just rather not have drones, or r/c aircraft, or model rockets overflying their property whenever, and that just because they recognise that legally they can't do anything about it, the first thing to do is not find ways to circumvent the rules they can enforce.
So it still hasn't changed that much as they are still saying they don't want you to fly over, which is something we face on a daily basis.
So the situation is the same, we take off from public land and fly over saftey
National trust can update all they want, trying to be draconian rather than working WITH the drone community is never going to get my support, what I will say on the matter is that I will always try to fly at these places during quiet hours or even after they have closed in the summer months when there is much more light, I don't need to fly during peak hours when its crazy busy, and the light is always better earlier and later in the day rather then the usual 9-5 for example during the summer.
Considering there are no no fly zones in there areas how can they enforce there own rules....
You know Kerswell STILL has not produced his “drone”?
It's "A" Policy Only.< NOT LAW> WE should all get together and fly 1000's over these places. Fek em!!!!
To be fair to NT, they haven't claimed it to be law. They have also removed the claims to control overflight. Beyond the rights they have, which are the same as any landowner, this new policy is much more in line with law/regulation than ever before!
Thanks for the vid. But to me the title suggests things had changed towards the rules for flying drones in or around NT sites. Years ago I wrote to them and had a heated email exchange as a friend and I got kicked off a site that was NT. At that point we were unaware of the rules they had in place so I challenged them and they basically gave me the same things you’re saying now. I responded saying that I could legally fly from a public place very near the site and have exactly the same results etc etc I also made a point about insurance and correct flying procedures etc etc. They basically wouldn’t listen and so to cut a long story short I can’t see much or any difference at all in the points you’re making.
The NT policy has changed in so far as they no longer claim you cannot fly over their sites. Also, they have dropped mention of their 'catch all' byelaw used to fine many drone pilots.
The overflight ban was nonsense, and the byelaw was unenforceable against quadcopters but both were heavily mentioned in their previous policy.
These are significant changes for many pilots who stayed clear of NT sites in case they had issues.
There is basically no change. The only thing they have done is to remove the elements that were already contradicted by the updated drone laws. (With the exception of the privacy aspects)
Their remaining arguments make some sense for a historic building or popular crowded area but none at all for flying over an empty field in the middle of nowhere at 6AM. If anything they make that situation worse.
By imposing a non-negotiable blanket ban in all circumstances all they do is remove the option for drone pilots to work with them to ensure the safety of their flights and avoid disturbing wildlife. Instead of working with them and benefiting from the wealth of local knowledge the NT have, pilots are forced to find ways to work around them instead.
As for the "Peace & quiet" argument - my mini-3 pro is significantly quieter than a barking dog or screaming child, both of which can significantly outlast the 20 minute battery life of my drone.
Showing Stonehenge is not a great example for this video as it is mostly within D125 with a lot of low level helicopter flying in the area.
None of those things stop legal flight at the location. 'Mostly' in D125 is not an accurate description.
Low flying helicopter flying is something all drone pilots should be ready for. Shared airspace should not scare anyone or stop them flying.
@@Geeksvana Hi Sean ... being precise then, anywhere North of a line through the centre of the Stones is in EGD125 and so I thought would not be a "legal flight location" The jokes about flying near the stones might have left people with the impression it was OK as long as you didn't fly too close but nothing was mentioned about the DA aspect in the area.
@jmbeames this was a video focused on the policy and not the rules. The issue is that we simply can not caveat everything, every single time. People complain the videos are long enough already!
There are many locations where care is needed due to nearby restrictions, etc, but I can only hope people follow our advice on our drone rules series.
I know where you are coming from and wish I could have everyone watch a disclaimer at the start of every video!
@Geeksvana - thanks for all the info I have been going through a bunch of your videos.
Whilst I'm sure there are numpties amongst the drone hobbyist community. There is in all groups. I would say this is more about money. If all amateur's get all the beautiful photography with their drones. The NT don't get their cut of the money from the beautiful footage they can capture and commercialize from it. Be it companies wanting stock footage or for TV shows etc.
If it was about insurance. Make it a rule, you must produce evidence of insurance in place if approached by a NT member of staff (Once you have landed your drone Ofcoarse) or your will be asked to leave the NT site / grounds. From what i can tell for pretty good coverage for a hobbyist (No commercial use, is about £30) for a year for up to £12m in liability cover).
If its about bird nesting seasons etc. Add exclusions / posts on a site. I actually don't know how it works but if it changes each year update a website and make it publicly accessible.
Being honest I haven't got a drone yet. I wanted to get into it for years. I've recently had the opportunity for significant overtime and have finally got some time and enough money saved to take it up and have been contemplating a DJI Mini 3 Pro, so currently watching a lot of videos to try and get an understanding of pros / cons of etc and all the rules / regs / peoples understandings of them as the CAA contradicts itself as you have covered in other videos.
I feel i have a pretty reasonable grasp now. I have even got my flyers ID etc during lockdown in anticipation even though with a sub 250g i dont think its needed. Again more for education than anything but also because its free.
I do feel even in this few years if anything it has got more confusing as to what you can / cant do, which does put me off a little. I hate ambiguity and like to follow the rules but it seems ever more difficult to do so without ruining the hobby / quality / benefits of footage etc you can capture.
I can never buy into the noise nuisance idea surrounding NT drone rules. Apart from the takeoff (which I always tend to do well away from anybody anyway), the majority of recreational drones are quiet enough that you won't notice them.
Additionally the NT don't control the airspace above them. A lot of NT areas have military flying conducted overhead. If not military flying then GA aircraft are free to fly over. Both of which vastly louder than drones. It's simply a very soft argument.
I can see drone pilots forcing Nation trust sites to buy more land Not unlike area 51 to force drone pilots to not bother with their sites because coupled with the VLOS new regs: we just won't bother anymore.
On the issue of the people's privacy, yes it should be respected but if they are inviting people in to come and look at their buildings, gardens etc, they have to expect people looking in their windows, either directly or indirectly. So they have to take responsibility for their own privacy too. I don't think it is fair to say, "come and look at our buildings, but don't look in our buildings".
If people are living there though it is fair to put time restrictions on when you can visit or fly drones to look at the buildings though, like say no drones after 8 pm or before 7 am, depending on how close you get to the building.
I presume English heritage sites are the same rules, I can fly over but not take off from?????
Absolutely. Although, English Heritage have never tried to prevent overflight.
To be fair NT now have fairly accurate info on their page, whereas EH still talk about 50m from vessel, building, structure. So they need an update soon as well!
The only policy either can have that will have any kind of impact is the same as any other landowner in England and Wales.
Thanks for confirming that. I only ask as they charge people for entry and rely on the income and I was wondering if there was a law against it as it's their income. Thanks for the quick reply. 👍🏻
They can stop drone flights from their land but they cannoy stop overflights from public property. They do not own the air space, that is the prerogative of the CAA.
Never read a word from them and dont intend too, I'll film / visit any site I want to. They dont own the view as far as I'm concerned however much they would like too.
You really need to cut to the chase, to help the recreational drone community get the information they need far quicker than you present.
Find anywhere else that provides the information I do... then find one who delivers the information quicker.
Our average recorded video is only about 6mins, these live shows are intended for the parts of my audience who enjoy the longer form content.
You don't have to watch. Feel free to find the info elsewhere 😎
As fair as the policy may be becoming, the language is still very negative towards non-commercial drone users. I feel as though they see us as a nuisance and not someone else wanting to enjoy the property but from our point of view
Some people don't like dogs but dog owners can walk around NT sites with their dog. Digs can bark, make noise, attack other dogs, go to the dog toilet on the floor and nobody likes dog poop do they.
They own the land not the air space above
It's all about money with the national trust. They have their in house production contractors and charge the world for them to commense filming in their land.
This is strange i was thinking you should do a video for the national trust😂. I also find them bizarre and backwards only as they ask for constant donations through their various boxes they have, yet if the need money surely a free drone footage of their spectacular areas will be a marvel for advertising for them.
Hold an A2 and GVC but i only fly with my A2 primarly. My drone is an autel robotics evo pro 2 v3. Recently got told off with actual physical violence by one dude for flying over a river where some of his family were swimming.
Although i was at an altitude of around 180-200ft the guy said i was hovering over his 2 year old daughter. The law changes over water especially rivers, canals etc im reading into it a bit more such as once in water its regulations are only by the maritime laws however due to the size of maritime laws rivers etc fall under various categories A, B, C, D. In which case my flight was under category A and dealt by the NSB (navigation safety branch) of the maritime coastguard agency (MCA). This wasnt deliberate flying over i was conducting some type of auditing etc of a structure nearby
Be careful of the natives indeed. I have created a YT channel and please support us.
Love this channel btw
The fact that they allow insured commercial flights but seem to think recreational drone flight somehow scares the animals REGARDLESS of the insurance they hold.
Or…if they know when the drone is flying they can move the animals to a different area to ensure they’re not spooked. As someone who used to work for the NT where there were livestock, it’s hard enough to get people to keep dogs under control, let alone a recreational drone where someone thinks they can fly it however they wish. Sadly the reckless flying of a minority affects the majority.
@@jamiesuggartist Have you heard a Mini 3? From 30m up bees are louder, but yes there are always some noisy heavy drone users who will spoil it for everyone but they are already flying illegally.
Just take off from NT land. What are they going to do about it? It is had enough to get policing for crimes let alone for breaking NT guidlines.
I hate the National Trash. Here in Lake District I was at Castlerigg Stone Circle and even had just NT members trying to stop me and saying they are going to report me, giving me proper hassle. So I said fine..try and stop me now.. I moved off NT land to a road nearby and then continued to film what I wanted. As long as you are not on their land when taking off and landing they can't do a thing and tbh they can't do anything even if you're on their land as the don't own the airspace above it. They just tell you they do to put the frighteners on you. I proper hate them. All they want is money, money money and pretend it's about caring for the wildlife and people on their land.. but oh..pay them commercially and you can do what you want on their land. Complete hypocrites!
Any opinions on those who go begging for attention and relevance by informing businesses they WILL be flying over their property???
National Trust doesn't own the airspace so they can update the policy all they like.
I think it's pathetic how tiny Mini 3 flying overhead that you can BARELY HEAR disturbs "peace and tranquility" but a lead-spewing single engine Cessna at triple or even quadruple the altitude, being the ONLY thing anyone can hear, does not.
so just take off and land off their land :)