The Battle of Warsaw, 1920: One Hundred Years Ago by Norman Davies
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- Опубликовано: 11 авг 2020
- Norman Davies, an author and historian, invites you to listen to a podcast about the Battle of Warsaw, 1920, prepared for the Relief Society for Poles and produced by UrbanRec for the Polish Culture Institute in London.
The Battle of Warsaw, also known as the Miracle of the Vistula, was a series of battles that resulted in a decisive Polish victory in 1920 during the Polish-Soviet War.
Poland, on the verge of total defeat, repulsed the Red Army in what Vladimir Lenin, the Bolshevik leader, called “an enormous defeat” for his forces.
To mark the 100th anniversary of this remarkable event in the European history, Polish Cultural Institute produced a podcast with the extraordinary Norman Davies reflecting on the battle.
Commerade Stalin was given a lesson in 1920. In 1945 he said - "You can swallow Poland but you can't digest it". Thank you professor for reminding this underrated and forgotten battle, which saved not only Poland, but most of Europe.
Polish Saint Faustina said Poland would be instrumental in stopping the spread of Communism. Poland did more than any country, yet this true history is never taught in the rest of the west. Communism motto is , "by deception we shall do war". Only "truth" will stop them.
Thank you Poland for 1920! Dziekuje Polska dla 1920!
Greetings from Canada.
nie będę pisał po Angielsku bo prawdopodobnie, ten materiał w większości oglądają Polacy. Polacy którzy kochają swoją ojczyznę i są dumni z naszej historii - do was mam prośbę! To jest nasz interes żeby jak najwięcej ludzi na zachodzie wiedzieli o poświęceniu naszych pokoleń .i nasza siła ,że tak wielu z nas mieszka poza krajem.
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Many thanks to the London's PCI for posting this valuable video. And heartfelt greetings to Professor Davies from Żyrardów, Poland for his commited work. To say the truth, for me, a Pole born in 1971, your "God's Playground" was a real Polish history (and patriotic awareness) course, not my secondary school (which I graduated before the collapse of the reds ;) ). Thank you.
Let us appreciate, celebrate and rejoyce this great anniversary. It would be so beautiful to see not only Poles, but also other Free World nations celebrating it...
PS. Dear Polish Institute, could you ask Professor please, if he would come to Żyrardów with a lecture some time? :)
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Thanks for sharing, my dad was in the Polish army.
What is puzzling is that less than 5K people have listened to this excellent podcast by Prof. Norman Davies.
Anno Domini 1920 POLAND WON! Over 2 millons Soviets army. Communism was stopped. Nobody in America knows. The battle was a turning point in the Polish-Bolshevik war and was decisive in stopping the march of communism towards Western Europe for decades. ( the West did not help POLAND WE ALL HAVE TO REMEMBER ) The victory saved Polish independence and halted the westwards expansion of Bolshevism. Polish victory in the Battle of Warsaw. We spend so much time remembering the tragic elements of Polish history, that we end up forgetting our successes. This is one of them. @eckA
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France helped, tanks, planes, etc.
OK!
A very detailed explanation of the Battle of Warsaw in which my father taught being only 18 years old, because he continued in the Polish Army, he fought in the 2nd World War and fought and finally was obliged to settle down in Argentina, where I am writing from.
My visits to Poland took place since 2013, and stopped with the Covid 19.
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Why did your father settle down in Argentina?
Another historical curiosity: Charles DeGaulle and Mikhail Tukhachevsky were cellmates as POWs in Ingolstadt fortress during WWI. Tukhachevsky commanded the Soviet invasion of Poland during the Polish-Soviet War in 1920. DeGaulle was in Poland with the French Military Mission as an instructor and was decorated for taking part in operations against the Soviet invasion.
In 1920 Pilsudski defeated Tukhachevsky with a brilliant flanking attack and series of battles in constant motion. It was those manneuvres and deployments that DeGaulle witnessed first-hand. He would later espouse that philosophy in his lectures at the Ecole Militaire and in his published book (1934) on the topic. (His book only sold 700 copies in France but 7000 in Germany where it was studied by Hitler.
DeGaulle and Tukhachevsky met again in 1936 in France. (Tukhachevsky’s train passed through Warsaw and Berlin.) Tukhachevsky was purged (executed) by Stalin in 1937. During a 1966 visit to the USSR DeGaulle tried unsuccessfully to meet Tukhachevsky’s surviving family members.
Wow... that was a great presentation!!
My grandfather fought in that war, cavalry unit. Thank you for a great program! Greetings from Brooklyn,NY.
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TO VIEW THE VIDEOS PASTE THE VIDEO - WORD - ESSAY TO A WORD
DOCUMENT AND THEN CLICK & PRESS THE CTRL KEY ON THE VIDEO.
ORIGINALLY THERE WERE SOME 49 BOOKS AND ESSAYS OF MINE.
Dziękuję bardzo for sharing this historical perspective. Proud to be a visitor in this country.
Thank you ! This is very important podcast.
Thank you ! A very detailed explanation of the Battle of Warsaw
Dear Sir, From the bottom of my heart Thank you so very much for your wonderful job of documenting Polish history so much distorted by Soviets on many occasions and many times comfortably forgotten. .With Pawel Jasienica you are a POLISH TREASURE!!!!and in my opinion your extraordinaire God's Playground ,A History of Poland should be obligatory lecture at Polsh schools. Thank you !!!!
Thank you ! A very detailed explanation of the Battle of Warsaw
Tkank You for this podcast!
Great podcast Professor Davies. Please make one such about Warsaw Uprising 44 as well
Komentarz dla zasięgu!!
My grandfather fought I. That battle and war.
Poland 1410r. Poland 1683 r. Poland 1920 r. Poland 1939r. Poland 2021r. How many times do we still have to save Europe?
Ukraine 2022. With immense support from Poland.
Glorious Land PL Poland. RUclips.
Lloyd George was not inclined to assist Poland. He wanted a trade deal with Lenin. Poland's existence was a nuisance to him.
Had Great Britain, France and the US had sufficient foresight, they would have assisted the Poles, marched to Moscow and put and end to the Communist evil.
One unfortunate occurrence was the Partition of Ukraine in the Treaty of Riga. Galicia ended up in Poland, with a bunch of angry Ukrainians who would later have sympathy with Banderas. Look up Wolyn.
Prof. Davis all the best to you. Do you remember me from Georgetown 2004?
Excellent Video in Historical knowledges side about this operation & Soviet -Poland relationship at that period but too simple Artistry introduction ..England Wicked political attitude obviously appeared
My grandfather fought in the battle. He didn't want to kill anyone.
Oh was a Miracle.
It was Our Lady.
BATTLE OF WARSAW
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ORIGINALLY THERE WERE SOME 49 BOOKS AND ESSAYS OF MINE.
Given the war in Ukraine, I hope this receives some renewed interest.
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Message to Mr Norman Davies.
I have the greatest respect for you and have purchased some yours books about Poland .
But the Battle of Warszaw 1920 must be rewritten.
The objective today of the polish governement is that Poles admit that a right-wing dictatorship is good for them with lies .
In 1919, when the polish ( future dictator ) Pilsudski wanted to conquer territories in Ukraine, French Prime Minister Clemenceau immediately felt the wind of defeat and sent a contingent to Poland with weapons and luggage . Clemenceau and his "radical" party did not want to be undone what he was some difficult to negotiate at Versailles ( treaty ) .10,000 soldiers with no connection whatsoever with Poland were present in 1920: 6,000 to be seconded to Haller's army (De Gaulle, Viard), 3,750 escorting arms deliveries, 400 as instructors, 1 as an observer with the English, one month, Llyod mission (Weygand) , often they are soldiers taken prisoner during ww1. Obviously, General Pilsudski's adventure turned into a debacle and the Russians quickly arrived in Warsaw. The Lloyd mission arrives at this point in Poland, and the belgian Weygand has met Pilsudski. But sensing defeat, Pilsudski resigned - resignation which, in official history, was refused but after the battle - disappears, runs away. Weygand, alone in the presidential palace, contacts Paris and nothing, no order from the Politics of France. French President Paul Deschanel, the only military chief in France , will be interned in September 1920 in a psychiatric asylum definitively. Paris was in crisis. It should also be added that the Russian and French soldiers know each other very well,- I write why down- , a bunch of friends and even in private life like Russian Toukhatchevsky and De Gaulle. (French) (common lunch behind the front before the battle, on the Russian side on July 28th , 1920). When the Russians attacked, Weygand alone, really on his own, decided that no weapons or shells should fall into the hands of the Russians. After consultation, but without an order from Paris, the French decided to fight. The real reason is that they had received new tanks and did not want to destroy them. The attacks of the Russian cavalry on horseback were impaled on 120 Renault tanks (including one driven by De Gaulle) + plus tanks of Polish manufacture. France delivered about 1000 four wheels military motor vehicles, cars and trucks, 500 motorcycles, high-performance weapons such as the Hotchkiss M1914 (range 4km, which held the record number of kills per day per weapon, estimate at ~ 1600) and dozens of thousands Polish soldiers were paid by the French taxpayer until the opposition of Pisuldski ,--- for the Poles who claim that the French have never done anything for them.-- On the evening of the first day of fight , a heated strategy meeting took place between officers. Each had a different strategy. The Belgian Weygand, not the most senior, probably never naturalized French, probably illegitimate son of the king of the Belgians, for this reason protected by the top of the French armies ( Joffre ) and because he could count on military and political connections, carried the decision. De Gaulle was dismissed and 3 officers joined Toukhachevsky ( ????) . The shell was very abundant and the shells were sent on the Russians with the same intensity as in the battle of Verdun. English planes with English pilots also intervened. The Russians have cracked, that's all. The Russians remembered the annihilation of the Tsar's army five years before and 300 km away by artillery and its new firing precision which opened the way to Bolshevik revolution. With in the Russian side ~ 90,000 dead and 200,000 wounded, the Battle of Gorlice Tarnow 1915 does not officially exist in Poland, neither in history books, not at school. Mrs Merkel succeeded in obtaining commemorative panels. In 1920, the abundance of shells, high precision artillery, plus a new weapon - the tank -, and the demonstration of its effectiveness on a battlefield, these were too many. It was a war between a seasoned army of type 1940 very well equipped , against an army of 1900. On August 28, 1920, Weygand returned to Paris, was greeted as a hero and suspended, without affectation. De Gaulle will be suspended on his return in 1921, without assignment for 2 years. He will pass before a military council in 1923 and prepare his defense in Berlin, at Toukhatchevsky's home . Toukhatchevsky was very pessimistic about the situation and believed that a new war was approaching. Also in 1923, De Gaulle published a book on military strategy without success and at the same time, Russian Toukhatchevsky published a book with his personal version of the strategy with the same title , but containing also the full De Gaulle version.
Other soldiers will be sacked (retirement). Knowing this, Pilsudski rewarded the French soldiers with Virtuti Miltari medals and came to Paris for help them . February 1921
The coalition with the Radical party excluded its French leader , called the red Vendeen, Clemenceau from the coalition at the first fight between French and Russian in Ukraine and then after Warsaw , very angry, a large part will change its name and with a part of SFIO, will henceforth be called the French Communist Party ( december 1920 ) .
The French right was dismayed and understood that the enormous loan to the Tsar ( 1916) and recovered by the Bolsheviks will never be repaid ( in French "Emprunt Russe " 1888, 1906, 1916). The French army had acted against the interests of France.
General Toukhatchevsky, the loser, understood the importance of tanks and demanded 100,000, became Marshal of the Soviet Union and deputy minister of defense of USSR . Who is this soldier who lost a battle and who received , shortly after his defeat at his home in Berlin or Moscow, the victors, French officers separately or together? smiling on the photos .
Shortly before his death in 1937 , - a Stalinist purge - , General Toukhatchevsky and his band of friends, 17 French soldiers including De Gaulle, made the headlines of French newspapers after a drunken evening in a Parisian restaurant. It was not the first one .1932, 1930 ...
General Pilsudski, ashamed of his performance, wrote a book all to his glory "Year 1920". A retired French general Hubert Camon , 72 years old , not present in Poland , ( I am sure he knew the truth ) , writen a book with pleasure , based on the previous book - reported on page 3 -, a story with more panache, beautiful battles between cavalry on horseback and hand it over to Pilsudski. It is this imaginary version that the Polish government glorifies in seeking to rehabilitate the last dictator. Serious even French newspapers broadcast this version as well as youtube sites. Now , the new version has also evolved a bit ( with tanks now ) .
Later General Pilsudski was dictator in Poland and was arrested in Munich around 1930 in an occult Nazi party fundraising meeting. Thanks to diplomatic passport . General Pilsudski financed (therefore Poland) the coming to power of Mr Hitler in Germany. As the savior of Europe, he can do better.
Why such a great friendship existed between Toukhachevsky and the French soldiers?
In 1915, Toukhatchevsky was captured by the Germans, speaking French, declared himself a French soldier and was a prisoner in a camp among French soldiers, in the same room as De Gaulle (in Ingolsatd 1917 ). Tukhachevsky was very well accepted and no one denounced him. Pilsudski did not know that . In 1920, as the firepower was totally unbalanced with a big disagreement between friends, the French and Russian soldiers agreed during the battle, to avoid too many deaths, hence the theory of deciphering the Radio code , in a battle without radio . In this time , a high mortality of young soldiers existed by the lack of hygiene and 1920 is the year of the global influenza pandemic. Thus, this battle resulted in very few deaths.
As the French army was traumatized by a similar fact whose consequences were enormous (Admiral De Grasse , without order , won 3 Battles alike Baie de Chesapeake, 1781),
A similar story happened at Bir Hakeim in 1942. The general commanding this military fort had fled with his paramour the first day. A captain decided to fire all his shells in three days which stopped Rommel with his 40,000 men against 3700. One night, after 2 weeks , the French survivors fled and Rommel and Africakorps waited one week more before entering this fort. General Koenig had all the honors and the captain was killed there.
As president of the French Republic, De Gaulle went with historians like H.C.E.(*) to the native village of Toukhatchevsky , met his relatives, asked the leaders of Moscow and obtained the promise of the rehabilitation of Toukhatchevsky - A tv report exists -. Two sisters refused to meet De Gaulle at Moscow , why ? . 1966 .
You can hear also on voice recordings around 30 years after , Weygand said that there is a lot to tell but he hasn't the right and De Gaulle, that historians will set one day , the truth .
In his book in praise of Pilsudski, Hubert Camon, at the end and with a lot of diplomacy, attributed the victory to France.
The French military archives are now open except private parts .
The real miracle of the Vistula is that the Poles believe in the official Warsaw version. The current Prime Minister knows the story perfectly well because he has consulted the documents and the photos.
Mr Pilsudski was born in Lithuania, of Lutheran Protestant religion, like all Russian notables spoke French, he loved politics. He began politics in Lithuania but was arrested, continued in Russia successfully, was put in jail , then proclaimed himself a Pole and later, without any military training, proclaimed himself a general.
(*) H.C.E. Hélène Carrère d'Encausse
You are obviously deluded. Never read such crap in my entire life. You should read Peter Hetherington's biography of Pilsudski 'Unvanquished: Joseph Pilsudski, Resurrected Poland and the Struggle for Eastern Europe'. By the way, Pilsudski was born in Vilnius to a Polish noble family which had earlier paternal Lithuanian origins.
@@ronaldostrowski4014 It is just the contribution of the descendant of a participant.
@@pierreratajczyk2390 What descendant? There are several books written about the 1920 and they generally provide the same historical narrative. If you want to rewrite history like many Putin following Russians do be my guest.
@@pierreratajczyk2390 To begin with I am not familiar with the French language and can't read the somewhat jumbled sources you provided me with. Secondly, you are off the planet so I will stick to the historical versions by reputable historians like Norman Davies. Here is a short American version of the event. ruclips.net/video/3uRzN57qusI/видео.html.
If Pilsudski hated the French he was not alone. Me? I am not too fond of the French myself given that they are legends in their own minds. Here is a refutation of Weyand being responsible for the Polish victory in 1920. The Poles aren't a joke - you are. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interallied_Mission_to_Poland
@@pierreratajczyk2390 You poor sod. You ramble on and on with incoherent nonsense and provide no links to these wiki and RUclips sources you recommend I research. And, you write crap like, "What should be remembered is that France has helped Poland a lot and Poland has never done anything for France in all of history". By the way, 85,000 Polish soldiers fought for France in 1940. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Army_in_France_(1939-40). And, then there were all those Polish legions that fought for Napoleon. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Legions_(Napoleonic_period).
Precz z bolszewikami
Was Katyn Stalin and Beria's revenge for this battle??
A truly Caesarian explanation. We had to preempt a supposed attack, hence we attacked (everything else would have been fatal!). Of course, the conquest of an Empire is never imperialistic - it's always self-defense, naturally. I suppose Polish wars against Lithuania, Ukraine etc. were also just self-defense. The so-called Bolshevik "propaganda" might have simply told the truth about Poland.
Bolsheviks told the truth about nothing except their quest for world domination.
Bolsheviks told the truth about nothing except their quest for world domination.
One other thing. Poland saw Wilno and Lwow as Polish cities with a majority Polish population....because they were, in truth majority Polish.
Sabaton - Glorious Land PL. You Tube // ENIGMA POLAND 1920 Wszystkie Czesci. You Tube.
Tkank You for this podcast!