The mind blowing thing for me is the way they manage to implement proper firearm animations. Weapon type animation in Skyrim has always been a big barrier modders couldn't overcome, that was why guns were added, they're all categorized as crossbows, using crossbow animation set. Now this is impressive..... even have reloading animations.
This has been a solvable problem since DAR/OAR and NEMESIS. We've had fully custom animations in first and 3rd person for combat and world interaction for at least 3 years now.
the animation problem has been overcome, gun mods are just rare as is and people prefer immersion, I think the main gun animation mods are paywalled behind patreon modders anyway
@@aladomedia Still doesn't mean it will happen to this one, nor giving the project to the public will change anything. It's a passion project, and if he wants it, he will finish it no matter what, and if he doesn't, then you won't really force him to do it lol
I think it is more likely because there are lots of modding tools available for Skyrim like custom animations that never got ported to the other games.
Yeah the mod's developer says it's a combination of the existing assets fitting better with the goal of the project, stability, and gameplay features supported by the mod tools. They were primarily a fallout modder prior to this project so I don't imagine they chose Skyrim to make their life harder.
IIRC it's mainly because Skyrim's melee combat system is more fleshed out and because the game supports spells right out of the box. The spell system was yanked out in Fallout 4 for the most part.
IT makes perfect sense to use Skyrims engine, it's well known in the modding community which means it's easier to get help when you need it and all the information you need is right there.
@@maboilaurence8227 Believe it or not, its probably one of the easiest engines to get started with other than the Source engine. If you need to make modifications to the engine for any reason though, good luck.
They have an extremely good view model sense.. like better than most AAA, and man does that matter when it feels like you're actually holding the guns, especially pistols for some reason that always seem to get held so close the slide should poke your eyeball out.. this is really cool, the bloodlines too that we almost never got but might get through this.
Had a playtest of this mod back in 2022, and it's really impressive to see how far it's come. Loved this video - excellent analysis of what this team has acheived!
The gunplay is from a third party mod that the project lead has early access too. It isn't available to the public or the rest of the team yet but its made by a very talented author called DeclineDown you can find his channel on youtube to see more of the mod. Its been in the works for ages.
@@BroPanth the engine Skyrim uses is just a more advanced version of fallout 3s, they’ve been using the same engine since the 90s and just update various parts as they need to. A lot of the engine is the same between fallout 3 and Skyrim. The Creation Engine is a lot of the Gambryo Engine, even Starfield likely has code left over from Gambryo.
@@1337Skrjabinn it's not that simple, by default fallout 3/NV only support dozen of animations with limit hard coded to the game, all of recent animation mods only possible by released of xNVSE plugin. this project run on skyrim of creation engine that doesn't even support function for firearms, most gun mods for skyrim pretty much been a reskin staff or crossbow.
Bro, Vampire the Masquerade fandom is insanely talented. They maintain the old game and put out insanely well polished mods. They even made a ray tracing mod look good which is difficult and a RTX mod demo looked great too. This fandom ADORES this universe.
Thanks for the compliment😊. In fact, this is not one project, but two different projects (mods). Galejro - develops a separate VtMR mod Decline Down - (that is, me) - is developing a "Tamriel Gunslingers mod" for firearms that are used in VtMR. www.youtube.com/@declinedown5193/videos Each of these projects operates independently of each other.
Morrowind was one of the OGs on making modding accessible. The Construction set that came with the game was awesome. Skyrim makes sense as the tools to mod it are also openly available. I wish more companies did that with their games. Vampires was an awesome game too, its soo cool to see this.
Most developers are using proprietary licensed engines now that have license agreements that explicitly do not allow them to provide users with advanced dev tools for modding. Combine that with the fact that virtually all non-indie dev/publishing entities are actively hostile towards modding (for several reasons), it just isn't likely to happen. Case in point, see how the average gamer views Bethesda as a development studio and how they compare them to fans and their fan projects. It simply makes the developers look bad and or incompetent which isn't good for your studio. Then you have the future issue of running into problems when releasing your next game because your previous title remains a competing product that can actively hinder the sales of your new product. Remember when online competitive games had a server browser and you could host your own servers? The reason why they don't anymore is precisely because of the last issue I described above. Combine that with an active community that's constantly updating, improving, and making content for your old game, this is a problem for you if you're in the business of making money.
I'm assuming that you never played VtM:R because it was set both during the crusades and the modern world. Also looks like they're using VtM:Bloodlines as a reference point as it was the only FPS VtM game. Honestly this looks freaking awesome, thanks for showing this off to the masses!
Yeah, they're definitely using Bloodlines as a reference for the whole police system, since Redemption didn't have that at all. Guards in Redemption would attack on sight if they saw you feeding, etc, and would be quickly killed by your coterie. If I'm remembering rightly, they'd also just respawn whenever you left the area and returned. There was also no way to escape them once they truned hostile without leaving the area or getting rid of them. Also no stealth, and feeding even remotely near them would turn them hostile.
My guess is that there are so many systems built into skyrim, that could transfer over to this game, that they figured it would be simpler than having to recreate the everything from scratch. That I would bet that the author of this mod has some experience working with creation kit and figured they could get it done. Things like the crime system, and a bunch of frameworks are already built in. Kinda a 500 IQ idea.
Defo! Looks like they simply reskinned Magicka into Vitae and maybe added some sort of damage magicka over time effect to make it look like you're growing more and more hungry. Why try to reinvent the wheel and all that? They have a fully functioning toolkit built for RPGs, so there's really no need to try to build all the systems from scratch in another engine.
There are numerous reasons to go with it being a mod for an older game: 1. If this had been done in UE/Unity etc it would have been slammed with a cease and desist. 2. Skyrim is an RPG style game and already has many of the systems in place to do something like this as well as the tools to create new systems 3. Skyrim has a massive community and host of mod resources to pull from. 4. Skyrim is an old game now and it's community already knows how to do pretty much everything vs a newer title or new game engine like UE where everything would need to be figured out and done from scratch. 5. Skyrim being old will help stave off legal action/cease and desists. Will be watching this closely, I loved redemption :)
Only problem I have with this is it makes the mod fans into leeches. Every bad game release they go "modders will fix this" as if modders have nothing better to do. It backfired when one of the Starfield modders just nopped out. I understand him. Even seen mod fans become vile, petulant and demanding. Like with the ivry mod where they had to stop development because people kept demanding it came out faster and sent threats (which they have no right to)
@@CordeliaAurora Par for the coarse unfortunately. I have bailed on a lot of mods for exactly that reason. You spend months of your free time doing something for free and all they can do is make demands and complain when something isn't quite how they would like it. The demands bother me the most. "I don't like how you changed (xyz NPC), make it look more like the original", sure, I will just spend the next week of my life redoing the work I already did, to my own tastes, because you don't like that I made them look prettier than you imagined.... That isn't the point of a mod of this scale though, this is something one undertakes out of passion and possibly the hopes of being picked up by a dev studio for your work. We see it once in a while, a huge, ambitious mod makes incredible progress only to stall completely because the mod author got offered a job ;) I hope this one makes it to release, I would love to give it a playthrough, hell, I may even make some mods for the mod, it would mean learning Skyrim's model import/export workflow though.....
I'm surprised Decline Dawn's gun mods were all for a modding project related to an old game. I thought his part of the project was just gonna be a stand alone gun mod for fun and he does phenomenal work making proper first person shooting animations compared to the gun mods of the past.
Reminds me of Enderal, a mod for skyrim that essentially turns it into a completely original game using the vanilla assets. My own personal mod setup for Skyrim is visually on par with my modded fallout 4 so I can totally believe with the creation kit and outside mods, you can create something like this. I'd love to see someone make a western style mod or game redesign of Fallout New Vegas using the same methods as Enderal or this project
Every day I wish SureAI would release another "game"/total conversion mod for Skyrim like Enderal! I know they're all a mix of busy on paying projects and not particularly interested in working within Skyrim's limitations again, but even just the music from Enderal has stuck with me even more thoroughly than Skyrim's own, on top of everything else that makes it an incredible project that I think every Skyrim fan ought to try!
Yeah. Ever since Enderal, there are no more group of modders that are ambitious enough to make another big mod with a clear future for Skyrim/SE. Even the current big projects like Skyblivion/Skywind and Beyond Skyrim (that was still under development for a long time), are unclear when it comes to the actual release date.
@@anut8733 Skyblivion is meant to release in 2025, Skywind probably a few years later but they've gotten a lot done already. You're right about Beyond Skyrim though, they have a whole bunch of teams working on different provinces, and although they share what assets they can they are still yet give a release date for any full province
Skyrim must have the biggest modding community and by consequent they have alot of tools to mod, its no surprise they choose skyrim for this project. thx for the video!
You know, I looked at literal seconds of this video and though "huh that reminds me of Vampire The Masquerade".... How did my brain even do that, I've played the first game for like an hour. Edit: Specifically that 8 second mark, that just gives me the vibe.
VTM:R and VTM:B Are only related to each other in license and not part of a continuous 'series', as you describe. Both were developed by different teams independent of each other.
as someone who played VtM Bloodlines this mod feel insane to me I'm really hyped if you never played VtM Bloodlines go play it now its a very good game
Im convinced at this point that if someone makes a game making game where you can make games like this inside a game... itd be the biggest thing since computers.
This is another one of the many impressive modifications for Skyrim I have ever seen, who even manage the skill and time at the same time to create something like this... SICK 11/10 🔥
1:02 This is MASSIVELY incorrect. World of Darkness (WOD) has NUMEROUS entries into the franchise with each having their own source and splat books. That's like saying The M1 Garand is the definition of a firearm (dumb and ignorant to say just because it's popular among other peers). Vampire: The Masquerade (VTM) rates as one of the most popular, but you're doing a MASSIVE disservice ignoring the rest of it. For crying out loud, a typical able-bodied Garou (from Werewolf: The Apocalypse) would murder several Kindred (VTM) long before going down, and that's not touching changelings, ghosts, hunters, mages, and mummies.
With how big Skyrim's modding community is it actually makes sense that they chose Skyrim of all games to do it, there is bunch of people in search for new and interesting mods and lots of people willing to hop on and help in interesting projects like this one, besides all the visibility they naturally will get for being a "Skyrim with guns" mod
Activision said no way (made the game), but Paradox said Yay (owns the White Wolf properties, including World of Darkness, in which VTM is inserted) so they are making it into an original story.
My brother would play Vampire the Masquerade tabletop roleplay with his theater friends when I was younger. I never played the tabletop roleplay, and never engaged in Dungeon and Dragon type play in real life, but I owned a few of the rule books and the lore and idea of the game always enticed me. I never had real life friend that were nerdy enough to role play with me but the maker of the games (Whitewolf I think) had chat rooms with Mods where you could make a character and engage in whitelisted role play. It was fun for a young introvert like myself. When Vampire the Masquerade came out in game form, it was one my favorite games of all time. I've never met anyone that has liked it like myself. Everyone likes CoD or Madden or Rocket Legue or Apex, but nobody I've met that's a gamer ever played Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines. It still has a good place in my heart from when I was a young kid playing on PC. That and the game Postal.
I always thought, since I was first introduced to the "modding community", what modders could actually do on a grand scale other than developing mods. Those guys are geniuses.
I gurantee the team microsoft has for "game preservation" is specifically to prepare for coming legal battles in the game industry over all the recent shit going on with digital ownership rights.
I've felt that Vampire / World of Darkness / Chronicles of Darkness is a cursed property. It's currently split up into two distinct variations (World/Chronicles) and the older game is also concurrently split a bit more as there isn't really a flagship edition among the fanbase. Also, the companies that have held the rights to the TTRPG have been... well, it's been interesting. And despite having a fantastic IP, it's often been handled quite poorly. I really think that it should have a bigger share of the market but for terrible handling of visibility and accessibility and marketing. The video games have likewise had a bit of a cursed existence. I was barely aware of _Redemption_ but had played _Bloodlines_ back in the day. Buggy as hell, sometimes to the point of being almost unplayable. And yet, still such an engaging game that you just want to power through the bugs. Genuinely one of the best RP video game experiences I've had -- there have been some better ones here and there, but it's certainly still solidly in the top 5. Since then there have been other games... many of which are just not very good. Swan Song, a recent Vampire game, was pretty awful -- one of the worst-controlling games I've played since the PS1 era where they were still figuring out how a game in 3D should feel to play and just not that engaging. There was a Werewold the Apocalypse game that was mostly a beat'em up trying to pass itself off as deeper narrative adventure in the style of the current Playstation trend of games. Also a couple pretty decent visual novel games on switch. Heart of the Forest being the one that made me think "hey, there's more to this visual novels than them just being dating sims or for being pervy to cartoon women." And two Vampire ones that were pretty decent as well. There's also a battle royale vampire game that completely tosses out the primary themes and draw of Vampire for just being Overwatch but dark. Whenever it releases, this mod will apparently be the best Vampire the Masquerade game in a couple decades. And it's a Skyrim mod.
100% agree with you. Really says a lot when the best, most recent, VTM game I've played has been a text game on Steam (Night Road). Redemption was more like Diablo (long dungeons with nothing but fighting and looting) than anything else, but it did have a nice story and characters, imo. Also, back in the day, it had a multiplayer mode that let you run your own chronicles with friends on the internet.
Galejro is a really talented modder and he has worked on many projects from Age of Airships and Fallout London. I knew him during my time in Fallout London's team and what he was able to do with Fallout 4 using purely in game assets was insane. I'm very excited for this project. Truly his Magnum Opus.
another layer of legal protection would be to require the mod to have access to a copy of VTMB and the install process could pull assets from the original game (like the text files for dialogue, music, voice lines, etc) and convert them automatically to the skyrim mod. This way you're not breaking copyright by distributing copyrighted content, you're just giving people tools to modify content they already legally own.
1:08 World of Darkness is a setting with several games around it, including vampires, werewolves, mages, etc. It's not vampire-centric, vampires aren't really a big part of it; it's mostly centered around angels and the god machine.
Just as a slight correction, not all WOD ttrpgs are vampire themed. Vampire: The Masquerade is definitely the most famous, but there are others like Demon: The Fallen where you play as fallen angels, Hunter: The Reckoning where you play as monster hunters imbued with magical power, and Changeling: The Dreaming where you play as people affected by evil Fae magic. They are making new editions of these games to this day and would highly recommend looking into them if you enjoy an urban RPG with supernatural twists and a hint of 90's edge.
bringing VTM back to RPG video games is probably the best possible use of the Skyrim engine. Redemoption and Bloodlines are two of the best RPG games to have ever been made.
the way they made the feeding animation look pretty much exactly the same is very cool. I never played redemption, before my time, but i love the game and its spiritual sequel Bloodlines is tied with morrowind for my favorite rpgs. Kudos to the team making this, it looks really good.
The fact that this looks so well, and adds hope that even bloodlines and further custom masquerade content can be added excites the hell outta me. Specially with bloodlines 2 looking like it’ll be such a let down if it ever releases at all.
This looks amazing! I only know VtM from friends who LARPed it, but vampires are cool and I'm always interested in any project based on Skyrim's engine and mechanics. I know some of the aesthetics are a bit dated now, but Skyrim is such an easy game to figure out and navigate when it comes to game setup menus, inventory, interacting with the world around you, and understanding your active perks and effects, it makes me wish more games operated in a similar manner. It might not work so well for creating an experience like the Souls games, where you need precise reactions to counter different enemy attack patterns, but those aren't the types of games I personally enjoy playing anyways (although I love watching others play them!).
The amount of elbow grease required to make all this work at all and look like it does here, is nothing short of commendable. It's basically handicapping yourself on purpose and I love it!
Small but important correction: The “World of Darkness” is more like a setting and a system where several tabletop games are set, it’s not some big interconnected Marvel-like universe. It’s closer to how DnD and Pathfinder are related to each other. Vampire the Masquerade was the most popular tabletop game from that setting and system. So VtM is just one of those tabletop games (and it’s still going today) and is basically like DnD with a much bigger emphasis on story and role-playing and way, way, way less emphasis on combat. Redemption was just the first attempt to adapt VtM into the video-game space. Later, we got Bloodlines…. And Bloodlines 2, which I don’t really wanna talk about. Those games are not sequels to Redemption - they’re their own thing, hell, the two Bloodlines games aren’t going to be typical sequels. Story-Time now: On the note of “what happened to the old devs?” you can easily look this up. Troika was Tim Cain’s company (the guy who wrote the code for Fallout 1 and 2, he wasn’t in charge by the time of Bloodlines though) who made Bloodlines. But his business partner Leonard Boyarsky still was there and in charge - he made all the art for the old Fallouts. But Activision owned the rights to VtM - but Redemption wasn’t made by Troika, it was a different studio because Activision owned the rights and licensed it to whoever would do the job - and to make matters more confusing, Bloodlines was made in the Source Engine. This is where it gets messy now. Valve licensed the engine to Troika on one condition: that VtM: Bloodlines releases a day before Half-Life 2, surprise nobody bought it and it was super unfinished and unpolished but Troika had zero choice in the matter. Activision took that as a failure, and wouldn’t delay the game - even though it was seriously unfinished - they then shuttered Troika after Bloodlines flopped. Bloodlines did eventually get finished by modders through a small miracle called the “Unofficial Patch” which basically finished Bloodlines as it was meant to be. But there will never be an official remaster because the game was broken - a remaster wouldn’t work, even with the fan patch - Bloodlines would have to be remade, that’s the only option. So corporate shenanigans killed Troika and has cursed the Bloodlines name ever since. The rights to Bloodlines specifically got snapped up by Paradox. A random developer (Hardsuit Labs) then got given the job to make Bloodlines 2. It’s been in development hell for 6+ years now - changed developer as well, it’s now the Chinese Room - this doesn’t fill me with hope because they’ve only ever made walking sims and they took all the mechanical depth out of Amnesia. But Bloodlines 2 is finally being released in a couple months or something but I have zero hope for the game at all and I’m sad about this.
Another reason to use Skyrim's engine is that a lot of dependent features, such as quests and AI routines are already included in the engine. So a developer could reuse a lot of core features without having to roll out their own.
PLEASE! This is great news! I love Vampire the Masquerade. I loved bloodlines, and it's really sad to see that Bloodlines 2 is... idk even know what's up with bloodlines 2. Looking forward to playing this!
it makes sense to use Skyrim's engine for this kind of game. It is actually an improved upon former Fallout Engine. You can still find Fallout References and functionalities in the game files
I love that Skyrim is just being used as an engine now, Enderal was a great time, and I've seen a couple of other projects similar that are in the works, this looks like it will be interesting to play through.
There’s no hiding Skyrim with that walking animation
They def gonna replace that nobody uses vanilla animations anymore 😂
That good old ''my asshole ate a brick'' walk.
And the ragdoll physics. Now, I wonder if they still apply when you die in that mod lol.
This is what gets me, you can mod Skyrim all you like, all I see is Skyrim.
the world moves and stay in place lol
Paarthurnax is gonna freak tf out when he gets back lmfao
Dovahkiin shout and shoot
Wrong! He will surely have foreseen this in his infinite wisdom.
You're right. When he shows up, he's gonna scream "IT'S A ME! PAARTHURNAX!"
Party Snacks
I belly chuckled hard at this comment.😂
Finally
Skyrim with Guns
Fallout 4?
@@spacepirate9882 that's bows with gun skins
@@luckydev3911 Nah that's fallout 3
came here just to type it
adam's a legend
What's next? Starfield with gameplay?
The mind blowing thing for me is the way they manage to implement proper firearm animations. Weapon type animation in Skyrim has always been a big barrier modders couldn't overcome, that was why guns were added, they're all categorized as crossbows, using crossbow animation set. Now this is impressive..... even have reloading animations.
This has been a solvable problem since DAR/OAR and NEMESIS. We've had fully custom animations in first and 3rd person for combat and world interaction for at least 3 years now.
the animation problem has been overcome, gun mods are just rare as is and people prefer immersion, I think the main gun animation mods are paywalled behind patreon modders anyway
you're not up to date with the trend
I seem to recognize some of the weapon animations from Fallout NV and 3 maybe they were ported to skyrim idk but they seem really alike
@@badbadthingss Yeah melee combat mods are crazy now. Some legit DMC shit.
I used to be a vampire like you, until I took a stake to the heart.
he fuckin dead then
@@ananyosaha-ee6yl Not, really in V:TM a stake in the heart does not kill them instead it's only paralyze them
Let me guess, somebody stole your juice drink.
@@ananyosaha-ee6yl nah, just paralyzed until someone takes it out, might die of the vitae deprevation though....
Underrated
see you guys 20 years later when the mod is released
Exactly. Sadly this will likely never be released.
@@aladomedia what makes you say this?
@@reyvnblacc past observations of similar projects that keep the build private until an undisclosed date.
been waiting for beyond skyrim from 2012
@@aladomedia Still doesn't mean it will happen to this one, nor giving the project to the public will change anything.
It's a passion project, and if he wants it, he will finish it no matter what, and if he doesn't, then you won't really force him to do it lol
they could use one of the Fallout engines but no, they chose Skyrim. i think just to flex that they could so and i approve.
I think it is more likely because there are lots of modding tools available for Skyrim like custom animations that never got ported to the other games.
Fallout uses same engine?
it's the same engine...
Yeah the mod's developer says it's a combination of the existing assets fitting better with the goal of the project, stability, and gameplay features supported by the mod tools. They were primarily a fallout modder prior to this project so I don't imagine they chose Skyrim to make their life harder.
IIRC it's mainly because Skyrim's melee combat system is more fleshed out and because the game supports spells right out of the box. The spell system was yanked out in Fallout 4 for the most part.
Any fan made V:TM content is enough to get me immediately interested
Dam right, Im down for any V:TM
Still playing VTMB to this day, anything WoD i'm up for
@@Grandmaster-Kush Hell yeah. I run a Vampire: The Masquerade 20th Anniversary Edition game every sunday. Awesome system, awesome setting
It's more than what we're getting out of renegade, lol.
thissss
IT makes perfect sense to use Skyrims engine, it's well known in the modding community which means it's easier to get help when you need it and all the information you need is right there.
It also is bult specifically for RPGs, likely meaning that not all the systems have to be remade from scratch, just tweaked to fit the game.
The OG game was spaghetti code even back when it launched, must be a nightmare to work on it now.
Smart choice.
@@maboilaurence8227 Believe it or not, its probably one of the easiest engines to get started with other than the Source engine.
If you need to make modifications to the engine for any reason though, good luck.
And that it already had a 3rd and 1st person view
@@maboilaurence8227 to be fair there are many people who have patched a lot of that that they could've just implemented into their mod
8:23 look! It's an arm! We rarely ever see those with pistols... Hell.. we rarely even see wrists anymore
Telekinetic powers duh
What are you talking about
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Incomprehensible comments with so many likes baffle me
@@cynicalia The sheer number of games where your gun just floats in front of you. Hello?
They have an extremely good view model sense.. like better than most AAA, and man does that matter when it feels like you're actually holding the guns, especially pistols for some reason that always seem to get held so close the slide should poke your eyeball out.. this is really cool, the bloodlines too that we almost never got but might get through this.
The lighting in the tavern at 7:38 is set up so incredibly well, it looks cozy and delightful.
That's a pretty normal look for Skyrim with any sort of lighting mod, which the mod author is definitely using, likely a custom version.
Reminds me of Oblivion
Had a playtest of this mod back in 2022, and it's really impressive to see how far it's come.
Loved this video - excellent analysis of what this team has acheived!
The fact that the gunplay looks better than even Fallout 3 is wild. Modders seem to understand the engine better than Bethesda does.
It's not about the engine, it's about the animations. You can install a bunch of modern cod gun animations on fallout 3 and it'll look great.
The gunplay is from a third party mod that the project lead has early access too. It isn't available to the public or the rest of the team yet but its made by a very talented author called DeclineDown you can find his channel on youtube to see more of the mod. Its been in the works for ages.
skyrim uses the creation kit engine, fallout 3 uses the gambryo engine, two entirely different engines
@@BroPanth the engine Skyrim uses is just a more advanced version of fallout 3s, they’ve been using the same engine since the 90s and just update various parts as they need to. A lot of the engine is the same between fallout 3 and Skyrim. The Creation Engine is a lot of the Gambryo Engine, even Starfield likely has code left over from Gambryo.
@@1337Skrjabinn it's not that simple, by default fallout 3/NV only support dozen of animations with limit hard coded to the game, all of recent animation mods only possible by released of xNVSE plugin.
this project run on skyrim of creation engine that doesn't even support function for firearms, most gun mods for skyrim pretty much been a reskin staff or crossbow.
Bro, Vampire the Masquerade fandom is insanely talented. They maintain the old game and put out insanely well polished mods. They even made a ray tracing mod look good which is difficult and a RTX mod demo looked great too. This fandom ADORES this universe.
Skyrims creation engine is basically a dev kit and I’m here for it.
It's a dev kit that happens include a free fantasy RPG by this point
Thats insane...
And that's also a reason why game is still being played to this day
that is clearly skyrim, no hiding it with the standart lighting, walking animations, and character models
Holy bawls that looks amazing! The people working on this project should be very proud of themselves for this level of black magic
Thanks for the compliment😊.
In fact, this is not one project, but two different projects (mods).
Galejro - develops a separate VtMR mod
Decline Down - (that is, me) - is developing a "Tamriel Gunslingers mod" for firearms that are used in VtMR.
www.youtube.com/@declinedown5193/videos
Each of these projects operates independently of each other.
@@declinedown5193 Epic work dude! Not my cup of tea, but looks amazing!
@@huszkusz1779 Thank you!
Now I need to quickly finish working with the 1st person and finally get to work on the 3rd person fully.
Morrowind was one of the OGs on making modding accessible. The Construction set that came with the game was awesome. Skyrim makes sense as the tools to mod it are also openly available. I wish more companies did that with their games. Vampires was an awesome game too, its soo cool to see this.
Most developers are using proprietary licensed engines now that have license agreements that explicitly do not allow them to provide users with advanced dev tools for modding. Combine that with the fact that virtually all non-indie dev/publishing entities are actively hostile towards modding (for several reasons), it just isn't likely to happen. Case in point, see how the average gamer views Bethesda as a development studio and how they compare them to fans and their fan projects. It simply makes the developers look bad and or incompetent which isn't good for your studio. Then you have the future issue of running into problems when releasing your next game because your previous title remains a competing product that can actively hinder the sales of your new product. Remember when online competitive games had a server browser and you could host your own servers? The reason why they don't anymore is precisely because of the last issue I described above. Combine that with an active community that's constantly updating, improving, and making content for your old game, this is a problem for you if you're in the business of making money.
It looks like this mod team should have been tasked with bloodlines 2
I'm assuming that you never played VtM:R because it was set both during the crusades and the modern world. Also looks like they're using VtM:Bloodlines as a reference point as it was the only FPS VtM game. Honestly this looks freaking awesome, thanks for showing this off to the masses!
This isn't Bloodlines. That takes place in Santa Monica and doesn't switch time periods. This has multiple time periods and locations.
@@ntolman but the style is like bloodlines.
Even parts of the UI are basically the same.
@@poppers7317 Yeah so? It isn't Bloodlines. They used a similar UI because that makes the most sense for an FPS.
@@ntolman you're right, it's not Bloodlines. Bloodlines is way more stylish in comparison.
Yeah, they're definitely using Bloodlines as a reference for the whole police system, since Redemption didn't have that at all. Guards in Redemption would attack on sight if they saw you feeding, etc, and would be quickly killed by your coterie. If I'm remembering rightly, they'd also just respawn whenever you left the area and returned. There was also no way to escape them once they truned hostile without leaving the area or getting rid of them. Also no stealth, and feeding even remotely near them would turn them hostile.
This is really impressive!! The atmosphere is thick
drippin'
you know what's crazy? normal mods like cbbe for example will most likely work with this out of the box like (as far as i was told) enderal
My guess is that there are so many systems built into skyrim, that could transfer over to this game, that they figured it would be simpler than having to recreate the everything from scratch. That I would bet that the author of this mod has some experience working with creation kit and figured they could get it done. Things like the crime system, and a bunch of frameworks are already built in. Kinda a 500 IQ idea.
I think so ! It looks great !
Defo! Looks like they simply reskinned Magicka into Vitae and maybe added some sort of damage magicka over time effect to make it look like you're growing more and more hungry. Why try to reinvent the wheel and all that? They have a fully functioning toolkit built for RPGs, so there's really no need to try to build all the systems from scratch in another engine.
There are numerous reasons to go with it being a mod for an older game:
1. If this had been done in UE/Unity etc it would have been slammed with a cease and desist.
2. Skyrim is an RPG style game and already has many of the systems in place to do something like this as well as the tools to create new systems
3. Skyrim has a massive community and host of mod resources to pull from.
4. Skyrim is an old game now and it's community already knows how to do pretty much everything vs a newer title or new game engine like UE where everything would need to be figured out and done from scratch.
5. Skyrim being old will help stave off legal action/cease and desists.
Will be watching this closely, I loved redemption :)
Only problem I have with this is it makes the mod fans into leeches.
Every bad game release they go "modders will fix this" as if modders have nothing better to do.
It backfired when one of the Starfield modders just nopped out.
I understand him.
Even seen mod fans become vile, petulant and demanding.
Like with the ivry mod where they had to stop development because people kept demanding it came out faster and sent threats (which they have no right to)
@@CordeliaAurora Par for the coarse unfortunately. I have bailed on a lot of mods for exactly that reason. You spend months of your free time doing something for free and all they can do is make demands and complain when something isn't quite how they would like it. The demands bother me the most. "I don't like how you changed (xyz NPC), make it look more like the original", sure, I will just spend the next week of my life redoing the work I already did, to my own tastes, because you don't like that I made them look prettier than you imagined....
That isn't the point of a mod of this scale though, this is something one undertakes out of passion and possibly the hopes of being picked up by a dev studio for your work. We see it once in a while, a huge, ambitious mod makes incredible progress only to stall completely because the mod author got offered a job ;)
I hope this one makes it to release, I would love to give it a playthrough, hell, I may even make some mods for the mod, it would mean learning Skyrim's model import/export workflow though.....
That ragdoll animation is unmistakably Skyrim lol, interesting mod for sure
Wow, this what it looks like when game creators who love what they do, make a great game.
Remember this being announced and it looks like they've made a lot of good progress. I'm seriously hyped for this mod so here's hoping it delivers.
I'm surprised Decline Dawn's gun mods were all for a modding project related to an old game. I thought his part of the project was just gonna be a stand alone gun mod for fun and he does phenomenal work making proper first person shooting animations compared to the gun mods of the past.
Seems very reasonable to me, to build that game in the engine of Skyrim. The engine perfectly fits the scope of the project.
At this point someone could make an entire iceberg about modding Skyrim
3:30 yea, it's Skyrim alright.
3:44 as well
Reminds me of Enderal, a mod for skyrim that essentially turns it into a completely original game using the vanilla assets. My own personal mod setup for Skyrim is visually on par with my modded fallout 4 so I can totally believe with the creation kit and outside mods, you can create something like this. I'd love to see someone make a western style mod or game redesign of Fallout New Vegas using the same methods as Enderal or this project
Finally a mod that's not just skyrim but more. Last time one mod like that came out was Enderal back in 2016.
Every day I wish SureAI would release another "game"/total conversion mod for Skyrim like Enderal! I know they're all a mix of busy on paying projects and not particularly interested in working within Skyrim's limitations again, but even just the music from Enderal has stuck with me even more thoroughly than Skyrim's own, on top of everything else that makes it an incredible project that I think every Skyrim fan ought to try!
Yeah. Ever since Enderal, there are no more group of modders that are ambitious enough to make another big mod with a clear future for Skyrim/SE.
Even the current big projects like Skyblivion/Skywind and Beyond Skyrim (that was still under development for a long time), are unclear when it comes to the actual release date.
@@anut8733 Skyblivion is meant to release in 2025, Skywind probably a few years later but they've gotten a lot done already. You're right about Beyond Skyrim though, they have a whole bunch of teams working on different provinces, and although they share what assets they can they are still yet give a release date for any full province
Skyrim must have the biggest modding community and by consequent they have alot of tools to mod, its no surprise they choose skyrim for this project. thx for the video!
Amazing Ill be on the lookout for this whenever it gets released.
0:50 Skyrim has a vampire mechanic already so thats prolly why
What's sad is this ridiculous mod will probably be better than anything modern Bethesda is even capable of creating today...
Or any modern VTM game for that matter
Modders really wanted a full Dawnguard game, so they made one.
Ah yet another game idea that modern game companies say is impossible and yet a small team of modders can accomplish it!
We want more immersive first person RPGs. If AAA publishers and devs won't make them, we will.
You know, I looked at literal seconds of this video and though "huh that reminds me of Vampire The Masquerade".... How did my brain even do that, I've played the first game for like an hour.
Edit: Specifically that 8 second mark, that just gives me the vibe.
Wow, this is actually a really thorough deep dive into this project. I can tell you really did become obsessed!
What an interesting idea. The footage is definitely pretty awesome 👍👌
VTM:R and VTM:B Are only related to each other in license and not part of a continuous 'series', as you describe. Both were developed by different teams independent of each other.
This will probably be better than the new vampire masquerade game haha!
100% lmao!
as someone who played VtM Bloodlines this mod feel insane to me I'm really hyped if you never played VtM Bloodlines go play it now its a very good game
You see those Kindred from Bannu Hakim? Curved swords. Curved. Swords.
WOW JUST WOW cant wait for it. The Bloodlines 2 will never come out,
Im convinced at this point that if someone makes a game making game where you can make games like this inside a game... itd be the biggest thing since computers.
That's what Playstation's "Dreams" is, I'm surprised that doesn't get more coverage. People have made some crazy stuff..
U mean roblox
@@mikeyblaze kinda yea but a far more advanced version. like it would be the pre stone age version but on the right path.
@@ZenMunk so you mean fortnite creative
@@AmishGhosty thats more of a import file simulator rather than an actual game
This is another one of the many impressive modifications for Skyrim I have ever seen, who even manage the skill and time at the same time to create something like this... SICK 11/10 🔥
1:02 This is MASSIVELY incorrect. World of Darkness (WOD) has NUMEROUS entries into the franchise with each having their own source and splat books. That's like saying The M1 Garand is the definition of a firearm (dumb and ignorant to say just because it's popular among other peers). Vampire: The Masquerade (VTM) rates as one of the most popular, but you're doing a MASSIVE disservice ignoring the rest of it. For crying out loud, a typical able-bodied Garou (from Werewolf: The Apocalypse) would murder several Kindred (VTM) long before going down, and that's not touching changelings, ghosts, hunters, mages, and mummies.
Garou from OPM?
@@davidhatcher7016 OPM?
This is the best looking Skyrim total conversion mod that I've ever seen! Wow. I can't wait to see more of this project 😍
0:38 BY AZURA BY AZURA BY AZURA IT'S A GRAND CHAMOPION!
With how big Skyrim's modding community is it actually makes sense that they chose Skyrim of all games to do it, there is bunch of people in search for new and interesting mods and lots of people willing to hop on and help in interesting projects like this one, besides all the visibility they naturally will get for being a "Skyrim with guns" mod
Thankfully, Nintendo doesn't own Vampire.
Activision said no way (made the game), but Paradox said Yay (owns the White Wolf properties, including World of Darkness, in which VTM is inserted) so they are making it into an original story.
My brother would play Vampire the Masquerade tabletop roleplay with his theater friends when I was younger. I never played the tabletop roleplay, and never engaged in Dungeon and Dragon type play in real life, but I owned a few of the rule books and the lore and idea of the game always enticed me. I never had real life friend that were nerdy enough to role play with me but the maker of the games (Whitewolf I think) had chat rooms with Mods where you could make a character and engage in whitelisted role play. It was fun for a young introvert like myself. When Vampire the Masquerade came out in game form, it was one my favorite games of all time. I've never met anyone that has liked it like myself. Everyone likes CoD or Madden or Rocket Legue or Apex, but nobody I've met that's a gamer ever played Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines. It still has a good place in my heart from when I was a young kid playing on PC. That and the game Postal.
I always thought, since I was first introduced to the "modding community", what modders could actually do on a grand scale other than developing mods. Those guys are geniuses.
Hah. The placeholder vending machine from the Aether Suite. That was neat to see
I don't see why not, plenty of other games were made reusing other game's engines.
Half-Life and all the games based around that comes to mind.
I gurantee the team microsoft has for "game preservation" is specifically to prepare for coming legal battles in the game industry over all the recent shit going on with digital ownership rights.
UE5: Look how shiny i can make everything!
Skyrim: Why would i want shiny? Heres some dense fog
Fog makes me feel warm and fuzzy 😊
It actually makes so much sense that they’re using Skyrim’s engine as a foundation for this. It’s perfect.
I've felt that Vampire / World of Darkness / Chronicles of Darkness is a cursed property. It's currently split up into two distinct variations (World/Chronicles) and the older game is also concurrently split a bit more as there isn't really a flagship edition among the fanbase. Also, the companies that have held the rights to the TTRPG have been... well, it's been interesting. And despite having a fantastic IP, it's often been handled quite poorly. I really think that it should have a bigger share of the market but for terrible handling of visibility and accessibility and marketing.
The video games have likewise had a bit of a cursed existence. I was barely aware of _Redemption_ but had played _Bloodlines_ back in the day. Buggy as hell, sometimes to the point of being almost unplayable. And yet, still such an engaging game that you just want to power through the bugs. Genuinely one of the best RP video game experiences I've had -- there have been some better ones here and there, but it's certainly still solidly in the top 5. Since then there have been other games... many of which are just not very good. Swan Song, a recent Vampire game, was pretty awful -- one of the worst-controlling games I've played since the PS1 era where they were still figuring out how a game in 3D should feel to play and just not that engaging. There was a Werewold the Apocalypse game that was mostly a beat'em up trying to pass itself off as deeper narrative adventure in the style of the current Playstation trend of games. Also a couple pretty decent visual novel games on switch. Heart of the Forest being the one that made me think "hey, there's more to this visual novels than them just being dating sims or for being pervy to cartoon women." And two Vampire ones that were pretty decent as well. There's also a battle royale vampire game that completely tosses out the primary themes and draw of Vampire for just being Overwatch but dark.
Whenever it releases, this mod will apparently be the best Vampire the Masquerade game in a couple decades. And it's a Skyrim mod.
100% agree with you. Really says a lot when the best, most recent, VTM game I've played has been a text game on Steam (Night Road). Redemption was more like Diablo (long dungeons with nothing but fighting and looting) than anything else, but it did have a nice story and characters, imo. Also, back in the day, it had a multiplayer mode that let you run your own chronicles with friends on the internet.
Galejro is a really talented modder and he has worked on many projects from Age of Airships and Fallout London. I knew him during my time in Fallout London's team and what he was able to do with Fallout 4 using purely in game assets was insane. I'm very excited for this project.
Truly his Magnum Opus.
I’ve been watching you since bf4 and since then. Keep it up man! 💪🏻💪🏻
CK engine has been retroengineered to a level of classic Doom source port
Bethesda is owned by Microsoft, Activision is owned by Microsoft... Soooo maybe this could be bought and used?
Nah it’s a mod. Also it’s impressive but not enough to sell to the public for a big price tag.
another layer of legal protection would be to require the mod to have access to a copy of VTMB and the install process could pull assets from the original game (like the text files for dialogue, music, voice lines, etc) and convert them automatically to the skyrim mod.
This way you're not breaking copyright by distributing copyrighted content, you're just giving people tools to modify content they already legally own.
Skyrim isn't a game anymore. It's an engine
1:08
World of Darkness is a setting with several games around it, including vampires, werewolves, mages, etc.
It's not vampire-centric, vampires aren't really a big part of it; it's mostly centered around angels and the god machine.
This looks awesome, can’t wait to never play it
Skyrim being used as a game engine is pretty much why it's still alive to this day.
8:16 aged like milk 😭
4:40 spotted the daedric armor
This just shows how far technology and passion for the mod goes.
Just as a slight correction, not all WOD ttrpgs are vampire themed. Vampire: The Masquerade is definitely the most famous, but there are others like Demon: The Fallen where you play as fallen angels, Hunter: The Reckoning where you play as monster hunters imbued with magical power, and Changeling: The Dreaming where you play as people affected by evil Fae magic. They are making new editions of these games to this day and would highly recommend looking into them if you enjoy an urban RPG with supernatural twists and a hint of 90's edge.
bringing VTM back to RPG video games is probably the best possible use of the Skyrim engine. Redemoption and Bloodlines are two of the best RPG games to have ever been made.
This is awesome! Reminds me of VTM Bloodlines. I loved that game!
the way they made the feeding animation look pretty much exactly the same is very cool. I never played redemption, before my time, but i love the game and its spiritual sequel Bloodlines is tied with morrowind for my favorite rpgs. Kudos to the team making this, it looks really good.
The fact that this looks so well, and adds hope that even bloodlines and further custom masquerade content can be added excites the hell outta me. Specially with bloodlines 2 looking like it’ll be such a let down if it ever releases at all.
This looks amazing! I only know VtM from friends who LARPed it, but vampires are cool and I'm always interested in any project based on Skyrim's engine and mechanics. I know some of the aesthetics are a bit dated now, but Skyrim is such an easy game to figure out and navigate when it comes to game setup menus, inventory, interacting with the world around you, and understanding your active perks and effects, it makes me wish more games operated in a similar manner. It might not work so well for creating an experience like the Souls games, where you need precise reactions to counter different enemy attack patterns, but those aren't the types of games I personally enjoy playing anyways (although I love watching others play them!).
Both companies would be stupid not to allow this to be published. FiveM has kept GTAV current, something like this would drive sales for both games.
OH MY GODI LOVED VTM REDEMPTION SO MUCH THIS IS SO HYPE
the VTM REDEMPTION fanbase is so small , i'm so happy to see this happening , and this game getting some attention
The amount of elbow grease required to make all this work at all and look like it does here, is nothing short of commendable. It's basically handicapping yourself on purpose and I love it!
Thank god this doesn't involve R* or T2. They're gonna sue the heck out of modding teams ass, and send the whole mod into Oblivion...
You actually got me interested in playing Skyrim again!
I’d love for this mod to be a standalone, but beggars can’t be choosers
Small but important correction: The “World of Darkness” is more like a setting and a system where several tabletop games are set, it’s not some big interconnected Marvel-like universe. It’s closer to how DnD and Pathfinder are related to each other. Vampire the Masquerade was the most popular tabletop game from that setting and system.
So VtM is just one of those tabletop games (and it’s still going today) and is basically like DnD with a much bigger emphasis on story and role-playing and way, way, way less emphasis on combat. Redemption was just the first attempt to adapt VtM into the video-game space. Later, we got Bloodlines…. And Bloodlines 2, which I don’t really wanna talk about. Those games are not sequels to Redemption - they’re their own thing, hell, the two Bloodlines games aren’t going to be typical sequels.
Story-Time now:
On the note of “what happened to the old devs?” you can easily look this up. Troika was Tim Cain’s company (the guy who wrote the code for Fallout 1 and 2, he wasn’t in charge by the time of Bloodlines though) who made Bloodlines. But his business partner Leonard Boyarsky still was there and in charge - he made all the art for the old Fallouts. But Activision owned the rights to VtM - but Redemption wasn’t made by Troika, it was a different studio because Activision owned the rights and licensed it to whoever would do the job - and to make matters more confusing, Bloodlines was made in the Source Engine.
This is where it gets messy now. Valve licensed the engine to Troika on one condition: that VtM: Bloodlines releases a day before Half-Life 2, surprise nobody bought it and it was super unfinished and unpolished but Troika had zero choice in the matter. Activision took that as a failure, and wouldn’t delay the game - even though it was seriously unfinished - they then shuttered Troika after Bloodlines flopped. Bloodlines did eventually get finished by modders through a small miracle called the “Unofficial Patch” which basically finished Bloodlines as it was meant to be. But there will never be an official remaster because the game was broken - a remaster wouldn’t work, even with the fan patch - Bloodlines would have to be remade, that’s the only option. So corporate shenanigans killed Troika and has cursed the Bloodlines name ever since.
The rights to Bloodlines specifically got snapped up by Paradox. A random developer (Hardsuit Labs) then got given the job to make Bloodlines 2. It’s been in development hell for 6+ years now - changed developer as well, it’s now the Chinese Room - this doesn’t fill me with hope because they’ve only ever made walking sims and they took all the mechanical depth out of Amnesia. But Bloodlines 2 is finally being released in a couple months or something but I have zero hope for the game at all and I’m sad about this.
before you even said vampire the masquerade i was literally typing it the look of it immediately screams it i love it
seeing the spinning death animation play when someone is shot. yep, its still skyrim
Another reason to use Skyrim's engine is that a lot of dependent features, such as quests and AI routines are already included in the engine. So a developer could reuse a lot of core features without having to roll out their own.
I am shocked. Been a fan of VTM series for well over 20 years now. Modders are truly amazing. I really want to play this!!!!!!!!!!!!
PLEASE! This is great news! I love Vampire the Masquerade. I loved bloodlines, and it's really sad to see that Bloodlines 2 is... idk even know what's up with bloodlines 2. Looking forward to playing this!
it makes sense to use Skyrim's engine for this kind of game. It is actually an improved upon former Fallout Engine. You can still find Fallout References and functionalities in the game files
Seeing guns in skyrim that arent just crossbows with modified animations or smthn is amazing in itself
Ah, Galejro. I remember being really impressed by his original Age of Airships mod. Truly, a very capable modder.
omg if this is skyrim SE, i cant wait to see if it'll work in skyrim vr. thatd be insane to be able to play this in vr
I didn't know that Skyrim was a Revolver. All this time we have been playing inside of a gun.
I love that Skyrim is just being used as an engine now, Enderal was a great time, and I've seen a couple of other projects similar that are in the works, this looks like it will be interesting to play through.