As many others have said, I think albedo should be A tier and ganyu should be lower. Albedo's skill can do upwards of 20k geo dmg every few seconds without too much investment over the course of up to 30 seconds with a 3 (i think) second cooldown. Plus you can use the elevator for exploration purposes as well as a place to shoot from without getting hit (in some situations)
In addition to this, it consistently procs crystallize while rarely interrupting reaction auras making him fit any flex spot with ease. And 20k is very achievable as an f2p, going into 40-50k in dedicated geo teams. It's one of the more powerful sub-dps skills in terms of damage per cast time. Should be up in A tier with fischl.
Agreed, meanwhile ganyu's is just a taunt that moves her away While it isn't a bad ability, I do feel like albedo's flower is definitely A tier If ganyu's skill is so high on the list why aren't other taunt abilities there too then (eg. Itto) lmao
it being a geo construct sucks though i have him i pulled him for my noelle team as a battery but his construct just gets oneshot immediatly most of the time
A lot of these skills should be higher like Albedo's which is literally his whole being of purpose. Diona has a strong ass shield as well and Itto's E which is a really big chunk of his damage because he can do it twice per burst
Gorou is an unlimited 4*, Shenhe is a limited 5*. Gorou is the sole reason many geo teams work at all, Shenhe only acts as a nice buff for cryo but is absolutely not mandatory.
@@emotional_st0rm the chance of getting a Gorou in the standard banner is super low there’s all the four star weapons and characters you can possibly get as well, he’s not unlimited, I’ve played this game since launch and only have a C3 Sara, C4 Gorou, and a C1 Thoma, and I pulled on every limited banner since launch
@@mrmiguel_00 exactly you pull on every banner whereas if you saved your primo and prioritize rolling on the banner of the characters you want your chance of getting them is increased. But still there’s rng involve since I’m still c1 gorou and already c1 itto 😭
@@godogeman6466 true but what I meant when I said I pull on every banner is that I pull for the event 5 star, it’s more likely that I get a C1 5 Star then I do a c6 4 star in a single banner
9:51 Ayato can move with attacks during his skill 18:48 one of heizou’s passive allows you to cause a stack, whenever he causes a swirl reacton, which can happen every 0.1 or 0.2 seconds
I think A is the right place for it, for two reasons. First, it needs the burst to have 100% uptime. Second, even with the use of the burst, it is tied to one location per cycle. That said, it definitely is better than Ganyu's E, by an order of magnitude, and also superior to Raiden's.
@@Axterix13 But in comparison to the rest which is what tier lists are supposed to be for - Kokomi's skill is the best at what it does. It definitely deserves to be in S, her kurage is literally her entire being at this point, with some only ever using her burst just to refresh CD
I would honestly switch Albedo and Ganyu's positioning itto should also be higher since his E is basically a mini version of Zhongli Q. Heizou should also be higher, the stacks are automatically generated when he swirls and he swirls pretty fast with his CA
@@itz_andi9691 nah, childe has one more thing in his skill, riptide which literally scales quadratically and the reason he has the highest hydro application in game, he got three sources of hydro after using his elemental skill (normal attack, Charged attack, Riptide), while ayato's is just normal attack. Also Childe's skill duration is manually done unlike Ayato's 6 second uptime which makes him better with Xiangling because he can adjust his hydro application uptime with xianglings long pyronado, Ayato's runs out faster. This is why Childe's vape team is stronger
you're wrong about ayato - his skill has a bigger AoE than many people know and it's not stationary, when you move it targets the enemies around you in a pretty big aoe, I've never experienced moving enemies to be a problem with him at all. That also makes him an excellent taser driver and dps About albedo i believe you rated him too low, his skill is really strong, has a huge aoe and really shines with 4 pc husk, Gorou and cinnabar spindle
Completely Agree on Ayato. One of my favourite Hydro Units. My two main teams for Abyss 12 are Raiden National and Ayato Fischl Electro-charged with Kazuha/Venti. So strong and great for large groups of mobs and still good for bosses.
@@workinprogress8978 nice! He is my main and I use him in Abyss all the time. He and fischl are amazing + Kazuha. I think he shouldn't be put that far behind childe in the list bc even though childe has international and riptide, Ayato is so good in taser, - they have different uses
@@danisetsuna8312 he honestly also works good in Freeze. When needed I use him with Ayaka, Ganyu, and Venti. After using Ganyu's burst and skill I use his burst (if available) then gather all the mobs with Venti and let loose with Ayaka's burst before switching back to Ayato to use his skill and apply hydro and do damage with his normal attacks
@@workinprogress8978 love the ayato freeze team too! I use kazuha cause I don't have Venti. But pairing ayaka and Ganyu with ayato is so much fun and I don't have to pull Kokomi because of it Same, the most fun part is slashing with Ayato inside of ayaka's burst and those sound effects
@@danisetsuna8312 all we need now is a dendro healer with good dendro application and the Ayato Fischl Dendro Venti/Kazuha hyperbloom team would be perfect. Crossing fingers for Nahida or Baizhu
Lots of misinformation here like others have commented, but a lot of valuations are kind of weird, too. Eula's hold skill on it own does more damage than many characters' bursts, but it's rated low for some reason. At level 10 it does 788% cryo and 363% physical damage in a decent area, as well as shredding physical and cryo res.
His videos are honestly getting shittier by the day. It’s clear he has a lack of understanding basic character mechanics and forces in false information to fit whatever narrative he tries to push.
After all his based and solid videos, I can’t help with thinking it’s on purpose. I mean we all need to pay bills, but to trigger viewers for more visibility, comments, that’s simply not for me. There’s plenty of them. Unsubscribed. Everyone has its right to have an opinion but here there are really macroscopic and objective errors. I main Eula since her first banner and agree. It’s a fuckin mini nuke, boosting DEF, resistance to interruption, and def and res shred. What in the world he wants a skill to do more than this? Ayato stationary? I don’t even have him and yet I know his skill targets and follows enemies while slashing. But the best is with Yae! In burst tier list: “Burst meh, it destroys totems” and same tier with Fischl, basically a skill refresh vs a >200K nuke. In skill tier list: “At the end of the day, you just place them to use burst”. Besides the fact that Sesshou Sakura is the core of Yae kit.. dude wtf? But Yae is still a polarizing characters, perfect for trolling, feeding and triggering. At least Tectone is funny, sometimes intentionally, mostly unintentionally.
@@dariosaviors i think its because he spends a lot more time playing league than genshin. watch the videos of him pulling; he doesnt even know what the characters do, he just spends money for views.
Heizou’s skill is pretty much never charged. You get one stack by default from constellation and other stacks through swirls (NA+CA is two swirls so you get to full stacks easily, you can for example NA+CA+burst). Then it deals 50-100k dmg and swirls as a bonus. It’s like Itto’s Ushi that doesn’t need to use burst to be Effective but does require a bit of fieldtime
I feel like you’re very undervaluing how good Eula’s skill is. Not many DPS characters have the ability to Debuff enemies with their skills, and it almost acts like a mini burst with Ascension Talents. Yes her energy isn’t a problem but her Normal Attack DPS isn’t bad by any means, so stacking her own Debuff on top of Superconduct makes her a powerhouse
20k autos gang, the only reason her burst missing "annoys" me is because even bigger big number gives brain happy chemicals (and because abyss is timed)
You didn't read Heizou's whole kit and it shows. He gets one stack per swirl reaction with his first passive and you can swap him out and he will still conserve the stacks. With C1 just getting him out grants 1 stack... All in all, getting the 4 stacks without ever holding E is just the normal. And if you do it right, its basically a 50-60k hit every 10 seconds. Nothing to laugh about. In my opinion is even better than Ayaka's skill, so top of A tier seems like a better fit in my opinion
I've been seeing consistent 80k hits from well-built Heizous a lot. Honestly, he's one of the few 4 stars often called a 5 star in disguise because his skill is a nuke. Heizou has been a beloved main dps of mine since his release and it's so wild to see people think he's mid tier because either they use him like Kazuha or they think they have to hold his skill every time he's on field because they can't read ig? It's on par with nuke burst characters sometimes, only you don't have to worry about energy. Tbh I'd say high A or lower S.
I 100% agree to this. Especially since Heizou benefits so well from units like Xingqiu, Yelan, and Fischl so he's naturally going to get those swirls anyways. My Heizou easily crits for 120k+ and that's without C6, which he said we're assuming all of the 4 stars are in the purpose of this video
Ayato slowly moves towards the enemies he is targeting while using his skill and his skill has a surprisingly large AOE. You don't usually have to worry about enemies being too far away most of the time. I think it deserves a bump to at least the top of A Tier if not the bottom of S tier.
I think there are several skill you heavily underrated. Albedo's skill is atleast A tier since its high dmg and is off field without any energy issues. Yae's skill after introduction of Aggravate is also very strong dmg source again without any energy issues and being off field again deserves atleast A tier(not S since its somewhat clunky due to no ) Whereas Ganyu's skill you ranked so high is literally bottom of B tier since its dogshit and ranking it so high just for Taunt ability when it doesn't even has good scaling.(Itto's Ushi , Heizou E , Jean E etc all have more scaling and Utility than it) Diona E is also A tier since its a great battery and provides a strong shield and also increased movement speed. Kuki's skill after Hyperbloom introduction is like single best skill to procc Hyperbloom which deserves atleast high B tier.
Considering that most characters E is just a mean to generate energy particle like benneth, Thoma with nothing note worthy about it, I wonder how they should be rated since even though their E is just 'ok' it serves its purpose well. I believe 50-60% of characters comes under this category.
If the burst one is to go by Guoba is high because xiangling. Bennett is high because Bennett. Xingqiu is high because Xingqiu Or he took some of the critique and actually see them in a vacuum like he said he would in that vid, we won't know that till it premieres, but I hope he did (yes I'm still annoyed about Fischl's ranking being too high when her burst by itself and not counting the Oz reset is extremely bad)
@@drakensgreed2350 Yeah. Fischl is used almost exclusively for Oz, Yae's burst is useful because it resets her skill which is her main form of off-field electro damage, Ayato without his skill would basically be useless as his skill is his main form of attack, Kuki's main form of off field electro damage is her skill, in a proper itto rotation, using albedo's burst is literally a dps loss, zhongli is used almost entirely due to his skill's shield, etc.
i think these kinds of videos would benefit from Vars researching in depth for characters he doesn't play regularly. maybe visit the subreddit for each character mains and talk to the users there, look up guides and build showcases or maybe just call up a friend who has a character Vars doesn't build in a fairly competent usage state and talk to them more. maybe using sources of videos or showing the description of the skill/burst can help? maybe there wouldn't be so much people unsatisfied with these kinds of videos then.
Exactly. I was willing to let slide some tiny mistakes but at the end he said that Qiqi's elemental skill doesn't heal and that is simply not true and just lazyness to actually read the skill and understand the character a little bit. That skill has two ways of healing, a passive tic and when Qiqi damages enemies when the skill is active (that has nothing to do with the seals she summons with her passive/ult)
I believe that kuki shinbu skill is very good ,It heals ,apply electro, follows the active character has no down time, and has a nice aoe .it's super useful and she never left my team since I got her 💜💜
@@vaggeliskapsiotis7623 true 🤭🤭its literally a flat dmg buff on her kit so now she can do a good chunk of aggravate dmg for a healer and fill a niche of being a hyperbloom electro character and she dose it really well with all her aoe skills
I was surprised albedos E was that low, since it's basically the main reason he works so well. One downside I could see is that it requires you to do damage in order to proc it, meaning it becomes kinda useless against shielded enemies but the damage it does deal more than makes up for it. I'd also argue that the fact that it's Geo damage is also a benefit since it won't really interfere with other reactions. It's also got amazing up time which means you'll not only always have it on field but due the insanely low cd you can easily reposition it. Albedo is kinda just a character you slot in for extra off field damage anyway and the damage it does deal is really impressive (~30k per hit if you build him well). I don't think it should be like S tier but definitely high A.
his comment on "it would've been better if its anything but Geo" is so wrong it's not funny it would generally steal any aura you preserve for the DPS.
tbh, the dmg proc thing is more of an upside. Chars like bediou and xq who's ults only proc on NA become less viable with chars who depend on CA and on chars like Xiao, Yae etc. Albedo and Raiden proc on dmg which means they can be used as effective sub ups chars for literally ANYONE in the game, making them more flexible. And the shield thing is ofc an issue but tbh geo isn't very effective against shield to begin with so you probably wont rely on it to break the shield if he didn't proc on dmg he wouldn't be usable on Xiao even though those two currently are an amazing pair
Great video. But there are a lot of information that you got wrong Ayato can move during his elemental skill state. Rosaria only generate particles on her 2nd hit. So there's no half amount of energy if only the first hit connects. Qiqi skill can heal the active character over time, and when she's the active character while the skill is active, performing normal attacks allow it to heal the party. So technically it still provides massive healing even without the help of the passive.
@@ZaytheManticore You're not just thinking it, he did. He's too biased & uninformed. He put Xiangling on the same Tier as Albedo & Yae Miko! He also put (remember, C6 for 4-Stars) Lisa on the same Tier as Amber. 💀 Ganyu/Xingqui in A-Tier with Kokomi, Yoimiya & Ayato. Not to mention he literally says things that aren't true. (Ayato skill making him stationary. Heizou not gaining stacks with his passive, which isn't even including his 6 cons)
You can actually move away from were you casted his skill and slash an enemy that would be perhaps behind you too. It's not a stationary skill is what I mean
You could run all the way around the map if you wanted. The only thing his E locks is the original placement of his water clone that explodes after awhile.
You can move however you want.(And Ayato himself actually moves if you just keep holding the attack button towards the enemy he's targeting) The only thing that is stationary about his skill? His water clone. That's it.
Now im wondering when this video was recorded because Heizou's skill seems really low. His first passive allows him to charge his stacks by doing swirl reactions so if you have someone like XQ or Raiden, you can get them pretty easily. when crowned with C6, his E deals 1208.7% damage with full stacks plus, he gets 16% CR and 32% CD with max stacks which makes it more consistent and more capable of even more damage. His seconds passive also allows him to support his party by giving 80EM after his E hits
It was recorded the day before dendro released, he states it in the vid He just has a whole lot of misconceptions, which are glaringly obvious in both his tier lists (they also quite clearly were recorded close to each other, as he got a lot of critique during the last one and still did the same sort of mistakes in this one)
Not to be really rude or aggresive but a lot of the information about some of these skills is incorrect. Like Ayato’s skill does not really scale for his HP or force him to remain in place. Yomiya doesn’t get any bonus attack from her skill conversion. And as much as I hate Qiqi her skill should actually be in C tier if you are going to rate Barbara’s skill that high. She has 4 ways of consistent healing effects 2 of which are based on her skill. Passive dot healing to you active character based on her attack and party wide healing if Qiqi is on field normal attacking none of which are based on a passive skill. Nothing super crazy just little things that kind of throw off the information.
YoiYoi doesn't get any bonus *attack*, but while her skill's active, her normal attacks deal (assuming talent rank 10) 161.7% damage - which is pretty equivalent to a 60% attack buff
Barbara’s skills also at unlocks you with the wet status which is awe full cause a lot of enemy attacks and mess you up then. Cryo freezes you, electro stun locks you, and pyro attacks get multiplied frick ton.
what he said abt ayato not movins is clearly showing me that he has never played him ayato will move foward towards enemies in his skill so that the slashes can hit him
Skills that can be used for combat and overworld deserves to be an S tier like Kazuha and Zhongli's. Not sure if it's counted but Tighnari's charged attack can track chests close by.
What you said about Ayato is wrong, he can move and continue his attack there, and he also automatically moves slightly towards enemies with each slash if they're too far away, which is very convenient. In addition, he's one of the few melee characters who has enough reach/aoe to hit flying enemies, enemies on pillars or even enemies inside venti's burst with no problem. It's why I think his E is definitely on par with Hu Tao and Yoimiya and should be in S tier.
I didn't even think about his vertical AOE. You're right! I annihilate the flying Ruin Drakes without even having to shoot their wings because of Ayato. Definitely S tier skill.
To be honest, this is one of the worst tierlists I have ever seen. Kokomi should be higher as her synergy with most of the teams is due to her high uptime in her E. Fischl drives so many characters due to her E alone, and nobody cares about her Q. Ayato and Yoimiya has a large amount of damage in their E. Ganyu and Ayaka should be lower as their E is not the most used, compared to their better parts of their kit such as their charged shot and E. They provide a lot of particles though, similar to how Bennet is. Yae's entire kit revolves around the use of her totems, and most damage potential and uptick of electro damage from this. She deserves at least A tier. Albedo's E is very versatile. If you considered Yelan's E for her versatility, why not consider Albedo as it also helps in terrain and provides sizable damage in an area. I think I'm disappointed at the least.
Edit: there is no fucking way, Ganyu skill is on top of A tier when there are: Albedo and Fischl under it. Even i think Ushi is better, he can deal bigger dmg than Zhongli meteor Diluc maybe a B or low A tier, but his skill got to be an A to S tier. reason? it has no ICD, can chain 3 times, short cooldown, even if you switch the chain didn't reset, and good enough scaling to back it up.
Kuki's skill is great, even before Hyperbloom made it amazing. Consistent, mobile, electro application and healing with perfect/near perfect uptime. Way better than Barbara's at least.
just a quick note: heizou has a passive where he gets a stack for every swirl he does so you can easily have a full stack without much worry so i believe heizous should be higher
Putting Yae Miko's skill, which defines her whole character, her signature weapon, her artifact sets and her entire playstyle in the same tier as Razor really got a hearty chuckle outta me! Truly one of the funniest comedy channels out there
In his previous vid he did put Yae burst on the same tier as Fischl one, a nuke vs a skill refresh. Definitively biased. We all know Yae has her flaws (and every character has his caveats..), but this guy probably never played Yae or has …skill issues. edit, @Yuakim: yeah but.. no. Raiden is condionally triggered by attacks and single target, while Fischl is unconditional but single target. So, to answer your question, Yae skill is unconditional and multitarget.
@@yuakim A well built yae can do pretty much triple the damage fishcl can do per turret hit and you can place 3 of them. Raiden E is not for her damage so her comparison is fishcl, you trade damage for particle generation. People really underestimate yae off field damage, I think she with albedo are the supreme off field free damage characters and with dendro, Yae got even stronger and it’s not hard to see her hit 50k per hit on aggravate teams. Yae skill should be at least A tier because of the sheer amount of damage she can do.
23:30 don't forget that when Qiqi's E is active she heals on normal attacks which is actually quite good since Qiqi's normal attacks are fast as hell and my Qiqi heals around 1k health with each hit so i think it should be at least a little bit higher, i know it's still pretty trash either way but it deserves some more credit
Yeah the only downside is the lack of energy regeneration, is a shame that none of qiqi's constellations addresses her energy problems unlike Barbara who does it
@bird but is too conditional, it requires to do a reaction to activate it, Barbara just needs to use her charge attack or just do nothing except exists, there's the fact that she gain less cooldown compared to qiqi
@@deadshade442 Looks like someone wants another Qiqi, hmm? I mean, just look at that glowing praise you just said. May Qiqi forever spook your pulls, even on guarantee friend! You honestly deserve it.
Ayato main here. Correction: Ayato's skill doesn't lock him in the same location. You can kill one enemy with 2 slashes, and run to the other corner of the domain and kill a couple more with 2 more slashes, as long as it's done within 6 seconds. All his skill does is change his normal/ charge attacks into Shunsuiken slashes for 6 seconds. The only thing he can't do for the 6 seconds of the skill duration is plunge attack. The slashes also have deceptively large AOE.
I love watching your videos, but some of this is inaccurate. Here are the adjustments I would make: Shenhe's skill should be in A tier. It boosts cryo dmg MASSIVELY and her passive allows her skill to boost ALL elemental skills, bursts, and normal/charged/plunging attacks regardless of element. Ayato's skill naturally repositions itself when enemies move. In terms of buffing himself, definitely S tier. Eula's skill literally debuffs enemies and can be a mini nuke. That's a ton of value. Definitely at least A tier. Heizou's skill is A tier for me. He can gain stacks from swirling and these are usually obtained effortlessly. Then you just tap his skill to get CRAZY high damage. If you decide to hold it for the stacks and get interrupted, it actually retains the stacks so you can simply finish charging when the enemies stop attacking. His c6 gives his skill extra crit rate and dmg based on how many stacks he has, and he automatically gains one stack after taking the field at C1. Yae Miko's entire kit is based around her skill. It's a little clunky to use, but the damage scaling is very high and it can have 100% uptime. It doesn't attack every 2-3 seconds, more like every second. Definitely A tier. I would move Yanfei's to B tier. In terms of the value it provides to her own kit and damage, it has relatively good scaling and a low cooldown, so those free charged attacks actually help a lot. Since Dendro's release, Kuki's skill gained a ton of value. Definitely A tier now because of its electro application in hyperbloom teams, but I know this was made last month.
I usually respect your opinions and don't think you miss much, but your take on Albedo and Yae Miko's elemental skills has me suddenly questioning if you actually understand the subdps role at all. These are both easily A if not S tier skills with substantial DPS from off field
@@yaemikoshandler That is technically true in theory, but only under impossible circumstances. Huge number of tightly grouped enemies that aren't in Venti burst makes Riptide very powerful on paper, it just never happens like that in the actual game.
😬😬😬😬 Ayato's skill is not stationary, Venti's skill has a tap mode which has a shorter cast time which is mostly used in combat while the one you mentioned in the video is the hold version which is mostly used for exploration. It's also quite interesting that you put a character's skill in a tier for damage yet put albedo in a lower tier yet his skill does a huge damage and is consistent. While i think qiqi's kit is not well designed what you said in the video is kinda off, Qiqi's skill does not require a talisman to heal, it passively heals the on field character. I love your videos but this might be your worst genshin video yet as it shows how little knowledge you actually have of some of the characters.
Yeah, same goes for Heizou. I think if he's counting other parts of a character's kit to be part of their elemental skill then he should count in the fact that Heizou can gain his declension stacks from swirling with NA's/burst rather than him just standing there for a long time holding his E
he has always been this way imo. i cant help but compare his character guide videos to other content creators like zyox and iwintolose who actually do a ton of math and testing. vars' guides have always been relatively lacking. i dont find his content reliable unfortunately. i do really like his why noone plays series though.
@@yagmurugur9904 oh yeah i actually find his "why no one plays series" quite entertaining too. And sameeeeee i really like iw2l and zyox guides also sevy's coz her guides are very very easy on the ears. Those are the only three genshin guides i think is worth watching as others tend to add a lot of alien mathematics or overhyping a character etc. The three content creator i mentioned just tell you how it is no sugar no bs.
"I love your videos but this might be your worst genshin video yet as it shows how little knowledge you actually have of some of the characters" THIS; SO MUCH. It's honestly embarrassing how biased he is & he doesn't even realize it. You shouldn't make a tierlist if you don't know half of the characters in-depth (& don't use them) as well as working with a LOT of pre-conceived notions. For example; he put Xiangling in B-Tier when her skill is C-Tier AT BEST. Mind you he also put Albedo in B-Tier when he's A-Tier AT WORST. He's all over the place, tbch. Don't even get me started on how he blatantly ignores some 4-Stars constellations entirely.
10:05 This analysis just made me realize that Geo's very rigid and niche team composition actually aligns really well with the characteristics of the Geo element. Incredibly strong and unyielding when played right; but unreactive and inflexible - you have to build very specific teams for these characters to shine. The characters do not cooperate or synergize easily with other teams and characters.
I feel like if Tartag makes it into S then so should Ayato. As someone who has both of them, Ayato just has less aoe damage due to not having riptide, while Childe lacks the consistency that Ayato has. (Also I’ve never encountered this problem with fast moving targets as the slash hits such a big aoe and auto aims on each attack it’s pretty impossible to miss his attacks)
eh , i mean childe has riptide but besides that his skill being manual is a plus, because he can adjust his melee uptime with off field dmg dealers, most of the time i run ayato with xiangling his E skill ends faster than pyronado
Childe has better hydro uptime with his skill. His attack, charge attack, riptide, they all have different ICD, so Childe apply a lot of hydro. Meanwhile, Ayato has normal ICD on his skill. This is not to mentioned Childe has better AOE too thanks to riptide and its explosion.
🌸😹I must concur with your assessment of the potency of Zhongli’s shield! Certainly it has made me far worse mechanically at Genshin than I was previously to acquiring his star and utilizing it solely upon mono Geo. It is so I almost feel naked without Zhongli except for when I am utilizing Kokomi setups😹🌸
I feel like you make these videos with minimal thought… yae’s e does more than just periodical damage, her whole idea is mobility. She can easily move towards and away from enemies while setting up a constant source of damage. Albedo’s e easily does 20k damage every 2 seconds and doesnt interrupt any reactions. Ganyu’s skill is the most useless part of her kit since it doesnt work on bosses that have attacks with huge range, and you can easily keep a distance from smaller mobs. Itto’s e is a decoy and a nuke during burst so why isnt he in the same tier as ganyu? Childe’s e is only good for xiangling and yelan’s is only superior when it comes to exploration. It just all seems biased
100% There's so much more that you didn't even mention, but I think that in-itself says A LOT. I do enjoy his content, but these "Tierlists" he makes are genuinely horribly thought-out, he isn't even familiar with all the characters he's ranking & straight up misses some details ENTIRELY.
childe's skill is fine where it is, Childe's skill is riptide which scales quadratically which means tons of aoe damage and which also makes him the fastest hydro application in game because you are getting three sources of hydro application after using his E. The only other sources of quadratic scaling dmg needs burst which is ayato and Ganyu's burst + venti burst and even those have a limit on emeies. Childe's riptide has no limit for enemies and doesnt need burst or much special conditions
Honestly, rating Shenhe's skill in the same tier as Xiangling tiers seems soo odd. Guoba is just there, doing a little bit of pyro damage in a small area which enemies can get away from. Meanwhile Shene gives a boost to either Normal and charged attacks or skill and burts damage. Plus it gives a huge boost to any cryo damage. It is a huge part of her identity as a cryo buffer. But I guess since Xiangling is S tier her skill must also be.
Back when I was maining anemo Traveler I loved her skill. So fun! My only issue is if the enemy dies while you're holding it you don't get the energy particles. But I would definitely move that up a tier.
What completely breaks Aloy's skill imo is the ICD of the stacks that the bomblets create. Aloy isn't all that strong to begin with, but limiting stack generation so that you can't trigger multiple at the same time e. g. with an Anemo unit just makes it absolutely impractical for getting her Cryo infusion going.
Still, it is pretty good in other characters. Decent dmg, occasional cryo reaction, big atk buff, cryo infusion, short atk buff for partners, enemy atk reduction and good battery. It just sucks cuz aloys multipliers are low + no constellations
@@MrJavilink Exactly, the problems you name wouldn't have been so jarring if at least we could instantly get those stacks for her infusion imo since it would have been way more consistent.
No man... the 20 second freaking cooldown of Aloy's E is what destroys it. The rushing Ice stacks thing is ridiculous, but its not what makes Aloy bad. Its her E's cooldown which is a complete joke.
Kuki's consistent electro application that scales damage AND healing with EM should be at least B tier if not C tier. It was good even before dendro and now it's even better of course Diona's skill also could go a bit higher but ymmv. The main thing is that even at r1 sac bow will trigger the passive consistently specifically because her skill hits enemies three to FIVE times (tap vs hold), which makes her shield basically last twice longer than it would be. Yes, it's only achievable with the sac bow, but the synergy she has with that bow is insane and amazing. The shield itself is also really strong.
My opinions : Heizou = Lisa Hutao = yoimiya = childe = Ayato Mona = ganyu = Amber = xiangling = Kokomi Heizou and Lisa both have high scaling skills and having to stand still for a few seconds Hutao yoimiya childe and Ayato their skills do basically the same thing converting their attacks into their element Mona ganyu Amber xiangling Kokomi has a stationary taunt or damage Amber and Kokomi should be higher as ambers c2 lets you explode baron bunny doing 200% more damage and Kokomi can heal
I would say Heizou's skill is much better than Lisa's based on the fact that stacks can be gained quite easily from swirl reactions and swapping him in/out (C1) with overall higher scaling and lower cooldown. Also, I would say Kokomi >> Ganyu/Mona/Xiangling > Amber. Rather than the damage, I would say the main purpose of these skills would be their taunt alongside elemental application - Kokomi's jellyfish excels at this off-field long-lasting application whilst healing, whereas Amber's Baron Bunny only applies pyro once per proc with a long explosion timer. Whilst you could explode the baron bunny, you'd have to aim a fully charged shot (requiring amber to be on field, which messes up rotations and sources of greater damage --> overall clunkiness) and the scaling is also not the greatest. IMO. Feel free to argue
Hard Agree. I wanna say my Venti's tap E regularly hits for like 15-20k? I could be remembering wrong but that sounds about right.(Helped by Stringless and a couple other things I believe.)
I think most people would agree that Fischl, Yae, and Kokomi all have better elemental skills than Ganyu. Useful as the taunt is, it's really no better than Mona's, while C6 Fischl and Kokomi are definitely S tier in their E-skills due to Amy's C6 and Kokomi's brokenly overpowered healing that lets you face tank as if you had Zhongli on your team. As long as you don't get one-shotted, Kokomi's squid healing provides a lot more health than Zhongli's shield, lacking only in its lack of super armor. I don't have Yae but she's at least A tier, if not S, simply due to the high damage scaling of an off-field damage source and random electro application to circumvent ICD for swirl teams. Powerful off-field damage sources and elemental appliers are significantly better than single-hit on elemental skills like most of B tier. Also, Shinobu's elemental skill has definitely improved in its ranking since you recorded this. It's got pretty good healing for an E-skill, and she's currently one of the best support healers for aggravate Keqing or aggravate Yae, and will likely remain so until a dendro healer is released. And dendro really did improve the viability of all electro damage sources.
idk probably kazuha, raiden, albedo Personal favorites are violet arc and lingering lifeline!!! Edit after premiere: • Albedo in B tier??? 🤯💀🙄😳😰😱🤧😕🤬😫😓👁️👄👁️ • Ganyu's skill in A tier is way too high lol... might as well put mona and amber in there as well. • Kuki Shinobu's skill is actually really good now with dendro's release. • I would say Tighnari's skill is B tier • Dori's skill would be in B or C tier • Collei's skill would be in B or C tier
Beidou is s tier without a doubt. Tons of damage and the only stipulation once she’s built is timing it right. If you trigger it and release fast enough it behaves like it got hit twice
Now we just need a "Best Normal Attack" tierlist, but not based off damage, based on the animations I think that'd be an interesting video at least, and It'd be a complete set with these other two videos
To the honest Albedo's E is basically 90% of his kit and it is really freaking good considering how long it lasts. Plus the elevator has some overworld uses. Itto does a lot of damage, just like Ayaka's. Kuki and Yae deserve a higher spot especially since dendro got released but I understand this video was made well before that part so meh.
you said noelle only shields and heals however with c4 it also does significant damage on explosion and some on cast which is why i think it should be minimum B
And that shield is strong too. Not as good as geo daddy, but still great. People need to understand that shielding is like crit rate, in that it increases the overall consistency of your damage output.
Nice, simple and entertaining video! About Heizou, the charging of his skill is more of a supplementary feature. The main way he charges his E stacks is by swirling other elements, and say your off field supports run out at 3/4 stacks - you can charge to reach the full 4 stacks
Ayato's skill can slash in different direction if you rotate your camera. I discovered it today as he was a trial character in the current event. I stood still and when the enemies died and new enemies spawned behind him, I turned the camera and he automatically targeted them. I might be wrong tho about the camera but still... he can
You can just move him and he continues to slash what he means by uptime is actually just that you get less slashes than you would if you have to say dodge turn around and otherwise
I feel like you didn't take Venti's press E into account at all. That's the version most people use in combat anyway and it doesn't have any lag. Almost instantly fills his burst gauge up too. Maybe not enough for A tier, but I really feel it needs to be mentioned, because right now your commentary is all about the lag of the hold version.
damn. usually i really agree with your videos mostly but i sadly gotta say that i see things different in this one. things i see would not put in the same ranking from A-D (S Tier is fine): A: Ayato, Yoimiya and Kokomi could definitely be put into S tier. kokomi because of the really good hydro application and for the other two you mentioned it yourself. especially ayato i don't see the "enemies could move" as enough of a drawback to justify not giving him S-Tier. That 'drawback' literally applies to almost anyone. B: Monas elemental skill barely does any damage. as someone who has triple crowned her, her elemental skill does almost nothing. the taunt isn't much more effective than baron bunny. it does apply hydro but it lasts so shortly and doesn't have too many ticks. i would put it in C-Tier. albedos skill is pretty vital i would at least put it into A-Tier. Physical Razor i also have tripple crowned, and his elemental skill literally does - for some reason, even with the scaling - no more damage or even less than a single auto attack for me. i used to think it is good because it is with low investment but now i would say it's literally either C-Tier only because he shreds resistance otherwise it would be D-Tier. Dillucs Elemental Skill is pretty good for him in my opinion. it's also a cool mechanic with the cancellation. you need to take into consideration that his swings are much faster if you alter between his e and normal attack also you get elemental reactions which is very important. I would give it an A-Tier. C-Tier: I would put chongyun into B-Tier. arguably. first of all it provides cryo infusion which is unique. secondly it does decent damage over an area. it's also decent for breaking shields. nothing outstanding but better than the rest in that group in my opinion. kuki. ok. sumeru is out now so you probably changed your opinion on her with the electro application so i probably don't need to spell it out, but i'd put her in B-Tier i think. D-Tier: dendro-traveler elemental skill is pretty decent damage-wise. but ok, dendro wasn't out at the video so yeah. but i'd bump her up to B-Tier (i mean it's not really much worse than e.g. bennett imho). qiqi: i know people will disagree with me here but i would *at least* give it a B-Tier. her other kit is pretty useless but the fact that with her elemental skill she can heal off-field is - in my opinion - her biggest advantage. also her skill just heals a lot. even without her passive. and if you don't consider passives for this tier-list then i would also put sucrose into A-Tier instead as she then 'only' provides grouping and an elemental application and not much damage.
I'm just here to say that I really enjoyed watching the video and hearing your opinions, at the end of the day a tier list video is based on opinions which is what makes it interesting. Thank you Vars for the fun content as always and I hope you don't let the critical comments affect you negatively!
I think both albedo and yae deserve A for their skill, I mean I woud debate both of them to be in S. And I think venti E is underrated, it does huge amount of damage if you build him as dps, stun enemies (idk how to describe it), great energy generation and you use hold in open world for exploration and press in combat, it really deserves A rank
9:38 Ayato main here, do you mean you think Ayato can't move around with the skill active? He can, he can walk and run normally while the skill is active, and if you're holding a direction while having him attack he'll move slightly in that direction. He's not super mobile, but he's not locked in place.
Keqing ability is my fav, i used it all the time, it's incredibly satisfying plus its fun to climb stuff with it haha plus it's amazing to deal overloaded damage
There is so many wrong things with this tierlist tf... how does one make a tier list about elemental skills and not know that Heizou gets declension stacks with swirls, it's literally his first passive Why does Yae get B tier treatment but Fischl goes straight to A tier when they are literally the same ability except for the fact that yae's does more damage and has a larger range Albedo's entire kit is his E... how tf do you put that in B tier Lisa i can kind of get behind but even then if you are rating her at c6, when she enters the field, the whole area around her gets affected with 3 stacks for her elemental skill to just be casted on the spot Why is xiao's E in A tier? it deals ok damage for an elemental skill but barely creates energy particles for him even with 2 uses Eula's skill shreds physical and cryo resistances, makes her tankier, adds a lot of stacks to her burst and deals massive phyisical damage all on a low cooldown... and she's in B tier?
Yeah the Eula part got me fucked up. How many DPS’ have a Debuff in their kit that also is like a Mini Burst. Like sure she has energy issues but thats how they balance her out cuz otherwise she’d be broken But even with Energy issues, it tells me that he doesn’t play Eula because her Normal Attacks are also stronk af. She’s a whole powerhouse
I believe Geo Travaler skill is one of the most broken skill in the game because it ability to be place almost anywhere allows to climb any terrain. If you watch the youtube channel Moosashi you will see what I mean.
Ayato can turn and attack in different directions or even reposition the problem is the loss of damage when doing so. Razor's E scaling and the resistance breaking makes it so I can have a fully physical razor build that does amazingly with dendro anyways. However I have to admit my artifacts have 100 EM just out of chance so that may be a part of it. Qiqi's E does heal you. Every two attacks it heals.
C6 Lisa should be at least be B-Tier just for how much damage she does. I'll gladly charge 2 seconds for an upwards of 65k nuke without prior setup. The only problem is that it olny gets good at C6 but at that point it outscales a lot of the soley damaging skills of B-Tier, looking at you Diluc
19:32 don’t forget the most important thing, this skill will constantly apply hydro to your character, which will cause enemy ice attacks to freeze you (for example, wolf of the north)
I think Yunjin's skill should be in the same tier as Beidou's. Yeah, there's less damage, especially with reactions, but the tradeoff is less requirements. You can insta charge if you get hit, but if you don't she takes a second to just max charge it anyway. Since it counts as a geo shield and you'll be giving her a bunch of def anyway, it's also a super tanky shield. Granted, you'd have to switch to her and hold her skill to get said shield, but you'll most likely get to still counter the attack
@@yagmurugur9904 Imagine if she had the passive to maintain her shield if you counter perfectly an enemy’s attack. She’s already awesome, but she would’ve been extra awesome with that.
Actually, I'm in two minds about Albedo's skill, since it can provide a ton of sub damage while your other characters are on the field. It also gives a small shield (crystals) which kind of increases your party's survivability. However, the flower despite being designed for plunge attacks sometimes is just ruining the combat process. Ofc my gaming skills are far from being good, but I think at least once Albedo users misused the burst or E-button because of this goddamn flower rising you up into the sky. The exploration utility is questionable as well because the flower needs the FLATTEST SURFACE EVER, otherwise, it refuses to work. Despite all the downfalls I think Albedo's skill is really good. I would use Albedo in almost all my parties because he was the best provider of sub dps damage and gave me, rare shileders user, a small shield, so my Diluc wouldn't die in the span of ten seconds.
You have it backwards with fishcl for best results. Her burst is the initial Oz activation because you start abyss with full energy. Pop q do your rotations then pop e. By the time that is about to expire her Q is back up.
Who the hell is telling you to use Heizou that way? With constellations (which this video assumes), Heizou's E has 1-shot potential. And, nobody should be using it to just swirl. That's extremely misinformed. I haven't seen a single rotation involving a non-fully-charged E.
I know it's very subjective, but I still can't believe you put Yae in B tier. 😅 For me, she is a solid A. I used to play Childe + Raiden E combo, but after getting Yae I noticed that the damage and electro application from Yae is better than from Raiden (for me at least). It is amazing that Yae's skill keep damaging enemies that are a bit far from you and when you get to them they're already dead lol. And you can basically stand and do nothing and her skill would kill everyone for you
I think lisas skill is heavily underrated because so few people have her c6, applying the effect on nearby enemies just for switching in is insane especially considering that 2 second charge up time can be negligible simply by giving her a shield, the scaling at level 10 is ABSURD in this context it’s 1000% atk scaling which is just, wow, aside from shogun she’s one of the only electro nukes in the game but getting her c6 is nearly impossible for anyone not a giga whale
i mean i would change a lot of things here, but for me the main ones is that kokomi E is as good as Zhongli shield in terms of survibility. And Ayatos E just slash multiple targets at the same time, for small enemies is a crowd controler as a anemo chac, and he does not stays in the same place, because each slash it gives, he follows the enemies, taking the fact that he has infinity stamina as well. I mean i just cant understand how Ayatos E is lower than Yelans E as well.
In regards to Heizou, you have to get at least 3 stacks through Swirls (and his constellation) and always attack fully charged. It does 900%++ damage making him probably the strongest 4* main dps.
Anemo Traveller skill saved me from the dreaded Lector and Herald Abyss during Ayaka’s Eternal Rerun 😭😭❤ at the time, Sucrose was my only other Anemo unit 🥺 the skill broke those elemental shields so easily 😔👌
This video told me which characters he must not own or have given any effort into. Albedo and yae skills being in b is pretty laughable when we put ganyu taunt in a…..yet itto taunt gets b but it can actually be used for big chunks of damage . Might as well put it next to baron bunny which you put in d tier . With constellations yes ganyu skill improves a lot but this was c0 from what you said….so in what world is it Atier while the others are put in the dirt? This was “ i like this character more so this taunt goes up higher “ lmao
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As many others have said, I think albedo should be A tier and ganyu should be lower. Albedo's skill can do upwards of 20k geo dmg every few seconds without too much investment over the course of up to 30 seconds with a 3 (i think) second cooldown. Plus you can use the elevator for exploration purposes as well as a place to shoot from without getting hit (in some situations)
In addition to this, it consistently procs crystallize while rarely interrupting reaction auras making him fit any flex spot with ease. And 20k is very achievable as an f2p, going into 40-50k in dedicated geo teams. It's one of the more powerful sub-dps skills in terms of damage per cast time. Should be up in A tier with fischl.
Agreed, meanwhile ganyu's is just a taunt that moves her away
While it isn't a bad ability, I do feel like albedo's flower is definitely A tier
If ganyu's skill is so high on the list why aren't other taunt abilities there too then (eg. Itto) lmao
Agreeee
it being a geo construct sucks though
i have him
i pulled him for my noelle team as a battery
but his construct just gets oneshot immediatly most of the time
@@GoldElias there's a reason it's a 3 second cooldown, you can constantly reposition it to suit your needs 😊
A lot of these skills should be higher like Albedo's which is literally his whole being of purpose. Diona has a strong ass shield as well and Itto's E which is a really big chunk of his damage because he can do it twice per burst
I just wish diona had a higher base hp. 8500 is not enough base hp.
Yeah and Xinqiu skill should be 1 tier below because it has massive cooldown
I do massively agree with Diona's skill. It is literally second best shield in the game (if I'm not mistaken), how could it be that low
@@misc7446 nope, thoma's shield is second best
Which doesn't work with childes e skills?
If you put Gorou on A because he buff geo team, then Shenhe also should be put at A because she massively buff cryo dmg output
Cryo teams aren't as relient on a shenhe boost as geo teams are of gorou
Gorou is an unlimited 4*, Shenhe is a limited 5*. Gorou is the sole reason many geo teams work at all, Shenhe only acts as a nice buff for cryo but is absolutely not mandatory.
@@emotional_st0rm the chance of getting a Gorou in the standard banner is super low there’s all the four star weapons and characters you can possibly get as well, he’s not unlimited, I’ve played this game since launch and only have a C3 Sara, C4 Gorou, and a C1 Thoma, and I pulled on every limited banner since launch
@@mrmiguel_00 exactly you pull on every banner whereas if you saved your primo and prioritize rolling on the banner of the characters you want your chance of getting them is increased. But still there’s rng involve since I’m still c1 gorou and already c1 itto 😭
@@godogeman6466 true but what I meant when I said I pull on every banner is that I pull for the event 5 star, it’s more likely that I get a C1 5 Star then I do a c6 4 star in a single banner
9:51 Ayato can move with attacks during his skill
18:48 one of heizou’s passive allows you to cause a stack, whenever he causes a swirl reacton, which can happen every 0.1 or 0.2 seconds
Passives ain't allowed
18:52🙂
@@deadshade442 sucrose’s passives were considered for her placement though?
@@deadshade442 It's the constellations on 5 stars he excluded for obvious reasons
@@deadshade442 they are
Kokomi's E is probably top, it provides the AOE hydro application that makes her so good in freeze, the healing is some of the best, and no ICD
Exactly, to put Ganyu's E with Kokomi's is absurd
@@icedkohionegai5194 ganyu's E is maximum C tier
I think A is the right place for it, for two reasons. First, it needs the burst to have 100% uptime. Second, even with the use of the burst, it is tied to one location per cycle.
That said, it definitely is better than Ganyu's E, by an order of magnitude, and also superior to Raiden's.
@@Axterix13 But in comparison to the rest which is what tier lists are supposed to be for - Kokomi's skill is the best at what it does. It definitely deserves to be in S, her kurage is literally her entire being at this point, with some only ever using her burst just to refresh CD
@@icedkohionegai5194 Yes! I only use her burst to refresh Kurage cd!
I would honestly switch Albedo and Ganyu's positioning itto should also be higher since his E is basically a mini version of Zhongli Q. Heizou should also be higher, the stacks are automatically generated when he swirls and he swirls pretty fast with his CA
Not to mention in half of ganyus teams e is worthless and even less
fr and xingqui should be lower Sara higher KEQING maybe higher ayato higher chongyun higher gorou lower and Childe lower imo
@@ziebus904 Exactly this man's tier lists are sometimes so wrong it's not funny
@@camiorkami tbh ayato and childe are kinda in the same place, id put both together in either s or a teir
@@itz_andi9691 nah, childe has one more thing in his skill, riptide which literally scales quadratically and the reason he has the highest hydro application in game, he got three sources of hydro after using his elemental skill (normal attack, Charged attack, Riptide), while ayato's is just normal attack. Also Childe's skill duration is manually done unlike Ayato's 6 second uptime which makes him better with Xiangling because he can adjust his hydro application uptime with xianglings long pyronado, Ayato's runs out faster. This is why Childe's vape team is stronger
you're wrong about ayato - his skill has a bigger AoE than many people know and it's not stationary, when you move it targets the enemies around you in a pretty big aoe, I've never experienced moving enemies to be a problem with him at all. That also makes him an excellent taser driver and dps
About albedo i believe you rated him too low, his skill is really strong, has a huge aoe and really shines with 4 pc husk, Gorou and cinnabar spindle
Completely Agree on Ayato. One of my favourite Hydro Units. My two main teams for Abyss 12 are Raiden National and Ayato Fischl Electro-charged with Kazuha/Venti. So strong and great for large groups of mobs and still good for bosses.
@@workinprogress8978 nice! He is my main and I use him in Abyss all the time. He and fischl are amazing + Kazuha. I think he shouldn't be put that far behind childe in the list bc even though childe has international and riptide, Ayato is so good in taser, - they have different uses
@@danisetsuna8312 he honestly also works good in Freeze. When needed I use him with Ayaka, Ganyu, and Venti. After using Ganyu's burst and skill I use his burst (if available) then gather all the mobs with Venti and let loose with Ayaka's burst before switching back to Ayato to use his skill and apply hydro and do damage with his normal attacks
@@workinprogress8978 love the ayato freeze team too! I use kazuha cause I don't have Venti. But pairing ayaka and Ganyu with ayato is so much fun and I don't have to pull Kokomi because of it
Same, the most fun part is slashing with Ayato inside of ayaka's burst and those sound effects
@@danisetsuna8312 all we need now is a dendro healer with good dendro application and the Ayato Fischl Dendro Venti/Kazuha hyperbloom team would be perfect. Crossing fingers for Nahida or Baizhu
Lots of misinformation here like others have commented, but a lot of valuations are kind of weird, too. Eula's hold skill on it own does more damage than many characters' bursts, but it's rated low for some reason. At level 10 it does 788% cryo and 363% physical damage in a decent area, as well as shredding physical and cryo res.
EXACTLY. It's honestly infuriating & it's strange how bad some of these rankings are.
His videos are honestly getting shittier by the day. It’s clear he has a lack of understanding basic character mechanics and forces in false information to fit whatever narrative he tries to push.
After all his based and solid videos, I can’t help with thinking it’s on purpose. I mean we all need to pay bills, but to trigger viewers for more visibility, comments, that’s simply not for me. There’s plenty of them. Unsubscribed.
Everyone has its right to have an opinion but here there are really macroscopic and objective errors. I main Eula since her first banner and agree. It’s a fuckin mini nuke, boosting DEF, resistance to interruption, and def and res shred. What in the world he wants a skill to do more than this? Ayato stationary? I don’t even have him and yet I know his skill targets and follows enemies while slashing. But the best is with Yae!
In burst tier list: “Burst meh, it destroys totems” and same tier with Fischl, basically a skill refresh vs a >200K nuke.
In skill tier list: “At the end of the day, you just place them to use burst”. Besides the fact that Sesshou Sakura is the core of Yae kit.. dude wtf?
But Yae is still a polarizing characters, perfect for trolling, feeding and triggering.
At least Tectone is funny, sometimes intentionally, mostly unintentionally.
@@dariosaviors i think its because he spends a lot more time playing league than genshin. watch the videos of him pulling; he doesnt even know what the characters do, he just spends money for views.
You're right. I feel like this guy just read the skill description of some characters without trying out the skill himself.
Heizou’s skill is pretty much never charged. You get one stack by default from constellation and other stacks through swirls (NA+CA is two swirls so you get to full stacks easily, you can for example NA+CA+burst). Then it deals 50-100k dmg and swirls as a bonus. It’s like Itto’s Ushi that doesn’t need to use burst to be Effective but does require a bit of fieldtime
No a problem tbh. Heizou is fun and powerful to having him on field while the others skill go off coldown its easy
I feel like you’re very undervaluing how good Eula’s skill is. Not many DPS characters have the ability to Debuff enemies with their skills, and it almost acts like a mini burst with Ascension Talents. Yes her energy isn’t a problem but her Normal Attack DPS isn’t bad by any means, so stacking her own Debuff on top of Superconduct makes her a powerhouse
20k autos gang, the only reason her burst missing "annoys" me is because even bigger big number gives brain happy chemicals (and because abyss is timed)
@@keo549 all of your reply
I agree with it lmao
20K auto’s are satisfying too
Exactly, a lot of times what I’m fighting is dead before the burst goes off because her skill hold killed them
Finally got a good goblet just last week and im so happy seeing just a continuous stream of 18k-21k dmg
Very good point.
You didn't read Heizou's whole kit and it shows. He gets one stack per swirl reaction with his first passive and you can swap him out and he will still conserve the stacks. With C1 just getting him out grants 1 stack... All in all, getting the 4 stacks without ever holding E is just the normal. And if you do it right, its basically a 50-60k hit every 10 seconds. Nothing to laugh about. In my opinion is even better than Ayaka's skill, so top of A tier seems like a better fit in my opinion
This applies to MANY characters he ranked. Like a third of them are completely misplaced.
I've been seeing consistent 80k hits from well-built Heizous a lot. Honestly, he's one of the few 4 stars often called a 5 star in disguise because his skill is a nuke. Heizou has been a beloved main dps of mine since his release and it's so wild to see people think he's mid tier because either they use him like Kazuha or they think they have to hold his skill every time he's on field because they can't read ig? It's on par with nuke burst characters sometimes, only you don't have to worry about energy. Tbh I'd say high A or lower S.
I 100% agree to this. Especially since Heizou benefits so well from units like Xingqiu, Yelan, and Fischl so he's naturally going to get those swirls anyways. My Heizou easily crits for 120k+ and that's without C6, which he said we're assuming all of the 4 stars are in the purpose of this video
Ayato slowly moves towards the enemies he is targeting while using his skill and his skill has a surprisingly large AOE. You don't usually have to worry about enemies being too far away most of the time. I think it deserves a bump to at least the top of A Tier if not the bottom of S tier.
His E is S tier. Its literally the majority of what makes him so good.
@@pfortunato78 I love Ayato
I think there are several skill you heavily underrated.
Albedo's skill is atleast A tier since its high dmg and is off field without any energy issues.
Yae's skill after introduction of Aggravate is also very strong dmg source again without any energy issues and being off field again deserves atleast A tier(not S since its somewhat clunky due to no )
Whereas Ganyu's skill you ranked so high is literally bottom of B tier since its dogshit and ranking it so high just for Taunt ability when it doesn't even has good scaling.(Itto's Ushi , Heizou E , Jean E etc all have more scaling and Utility than it)
Diona E is also A tier since its a great battery and provides a strong shield and also increased movement speed.
Kuki's skill after Hyperbloom introduction is like single best skill to procc Hyperbloom which deserves atleast high B tier.
Considering that most characters E is just a mean to generate energy particle like benneth, Thoma with nothing note worthy about it, I wonder how they should be rated since even though their E is just 'ok' it serves its purpose well. I believe 50-60% of characters comes under this category.
If the burst one is to go by
Guoba is high because xiangling. Bennett is high because Bennett. Xingqiu is high because Xingqiu
Or he took some of the critique and actually see them in a vacuum like he said he would in that vid, we won't know that till it premieres, but I hope he did (yes I'm still annoyed about Fischl's ranking being too high when her burst by itself and not counting the Oz reset is extremely bad)
Most character's E is only used to gen energy? Is this true?
So I don't need to level up E then? Since the cool down is the same anyway right?
@@Succubus_L0li It's straight up wrong. Off-field Kokomi for example is exclusively used for her E and her Q is only used to extend her E's duration.
@@drakensgreed2350 Yeah. Fischl is used almost exclusively for Oz, Yae's burst is useful because it resets her skill which is her main form of off-field electro damage, Ayato without his skill would basically be useless as his skill is his main form of attack, Kuki's main form of off field electro damage is her skill, in a proper itto rotation, using albedo's burst is literally a dps loss, zhongli is used almost entirely due to his skill's shield, etc.
DPS Bennett: 😔
i think these kinds of videos would benefit from Vars researching in depth for characters he doesn't play regularly. maybe visit the subreddit for each character mains and talk to the users there, look up guides and build showcases or maybe just call up a friend who has a character Vars doesn't build in a fairly competent usage state and talk to them more. maybe using sources of videos or showing the description of the skill/burst can help? maybe there wouldn't be so much people unsatisfied with these kinds of videos then.
1,000,000%
He's all over the place, making biased rankings & forgetting how impactful some skills & or constellations are for 4-Stars.
Hard agree. He just ignored amber, lisa, aloy, trav, qiqi, etc.
Exactly. I was willing to let slide some tiny mistakes but at the end he said that Qiqi's elemental skill doesn't heal and that is simply not true and just lazyness to actually read the skill and understand the character a little bit. That skill has two ways of healing, a passive tic and when Qiqi damages enemies when the skill is active (that has nothing to do with the seals she summons with her passive/ult)
@@breezyfeer Like he said at the start: its solely for fun omg. Why are you guys so pissed
I believe that kuki shinbu skill is very good ,It heals ,apply electro, follows the active character has no down time, and has a nice aoe .it's super useful and she never left my team since I got her 💜💜
yes and now with spread shes even better
@@vaggeliskapsiotis7623 true 🤭🤭its literally a flat dmg buff on her kit so now she can do a good chunk of aggravate dmg for a healer and fill a niche of being a hyperbloom electro character and she dose it really well with all her aoe skills
also, very enjoyable in coop
@@vans2548 seeing everyone gathering around u for heals feels heart warming 💓
Also has useful scalling since she gets healing and damage from Em so You get her whole value from a single stat.
I was surprised albedos E was that low, since it's basically the main reason he works so well.
One downside I could see is that it requires you to do damage in order to proc it, meaning it becomes kinda useless against shielded enemies but the damage it does deal more than makes up for it.
I'd also argue that the fact that it's Geo damage is also a benefit since it won't really interfere with other reactions.
It's also got amazing up time which means you'll not only always have it on field but due the insanely low cd you can easily reposition it.
Albedo is kinda just a character you slot in for extra off field damage anyway and the damage it does deal is really impressive (~30k per hit if you build him well).
I don't think it should be like S tier but definitely high A.
his comment on "it would've been better if its anything but Geo" is so wrong it's not funny
it would generally steal any aura you preserve for the DPS.
@@sureyeah3678 Yeah, and yet Yae is another element and he put her RIGHT HERE next to him
@@kawaiimika7974 right now? emerge
tbh, the dmg proc thing is more of an upside. Chars like bediou and xq who's ults only proc on NA become less viable with chars who depend on CA and on chars like Xiao, Yae etc. Albedo and Raiden proc on dmg which means they can be used as effective sub ups chars for literally ANYONE in the game, making them more flexible. And the shield thing is ofc an issue but tbh geo isn't very effective against shield to begin with so you probably wont rely on it to break the shield
if he didn't proc on dmg he wouldn't be usable on Xiao even though those two currently are an amazing pair
Great video. But there are a lot of information that you got wrong
Ayato can move during his elemental skill state.
Rosaria only generate particles on her 2nd hit. So there's no half amount of energy if only the first hit connects.
Qiqi skill can heal the active character over time, and when she's the active character while the skill is active, performing normal attacks allow it to heal the party. So technically it still provides massive healing even without the help of the passive.
I think he forgot many things about the characters he put low tier
@@ZaytheManticore You're not just thinking it, he did. He's too biased & uninformed.
He put Xiangling on the same Tier as Albedo & Yae Miko!
He also put (remember, C6 for 4-Stars) Lisa on the same Tier as Amber. 💀
Ganyu/Xingqui in A-Tier with Kokomi, Yoimiya & Ayato.
Not to mention he literally says things that aren't true. (Ayato skill making him stationary. Heizou not gaining stacks with his passive, which isn't even including his 6 cons)
About Ayato, I do think you're wrong. I'm pretty sure you can move a decent distance from the cast location and go right back into Anime Slashing.
You can actually move away from were you casted his skill and slash an enemy that would be perhaps behind you too. It's not a stationary skill is what I mean
You could run all the way around the map if you wanted. The only thing his E locks is the original placement of his water clone that explodes after awhile.
You can move however you want.(And Ayato himself actually moves if you just keep holding the attack button towards the enemy he's targeting) The only thing that is stationary about his skill? His water clone. That's it.
Now im wondering when this video was recorded because Heizou's skill seems really low. His first passive allows him to charge his stacks by doing swirl reactions so if you have someone like XQ or Raiden, you can get them pretty easily. when crowned with C6, his E deals 1208.7% damage with full stacks plus, he gets 16% CR and 32% CD with max stacks which makes it more consistent and more capable of even more damage. His seconds passive also allows him to support his party by giving 80EM after his E hits
It was recorded the day before dendro released, he states it in the vid
He just has a whole lot of misconceptions, which are glaringly obvious in both his tier lists (they also quite clearly were recorded close to each other, as he got a lot of critique during the last one and still did the same sort of mistakes in this one)
Not to be really rude or aggresive but a lot of the information about some of these skills is incorrect. Like Ayato’s skill does not really scale for his HP or force him to remain in place. Yomiya doesn’t get any bonus attack from her skill conversion. And as much as I hate Qiqi her skill should actually be in C tier if you are going to rate Barbara’s skill that high. She has 4 ways of consistent healing effects 2 of which are based on her skill. Passive dot healing to you active character based on her attack and party wide healing if Qiqi is on field normal attacking none of which are based on a passive skill. Nothing super crazy just little things that kind of throw off the information.
YoiYoi doesn't get any bonus *attack*, but while her skill's active, her normal attacks deal (assuming talent rank 10) 161.7% damage - which is pretty equivalent to a 60% attack buff
to be fair barbaras skill applies hydro on enemies which can be useful in freeze comps but off field cryo application isnt that useful
Barbara’s skills also at unlocks you with the wet status which is awe full cause a lot of enemy attacks and mess you up then. Cryo freezes you, electro stun locks you, and pyro attacks get multiplied frick ton.
what he said abt ayato not movins is clearly showing me that he has never played him ayato will move foward towards enemies in his skill so that the slashes can hit him
*them
Skills that can be used for combat and overworld deserves to be an S tier like Kazuha and Zhongli's. Not sure if it's counted but Tighnari's charged attack can track chests close by.
wait what did you say? track damn thats goood
Tighnari's charged attack can what???
Yes, it can track chests. I tried it in Sumeru city lately. Thanks to his CA, I easily can found precious and luxurious chest with "fun" method, lol.
It tracks anything you can interact with, actually. I found a somewhat hidden dirt mound that gave me a chest upon digging.
@@oygemprime3864 this video explains it well and even shows a couple chest locations as a bonus ruclips.net/video/kNx_H-iAw9o/видео.html
What you said about Ayato is wrong, he can move and continue his attack there, and he also automatically moves slightly towards enemies with each slash if they're too far away, which is very convenient. In addition, he's one of the few melee characters who has enough reach/aoe to hit flying enemies, enemies on pillars or even enemies inside venti's burst with no problem. It's why I think his E is definitely on par with Hu Tao and Yoimiya and should be in S tier.
I didn't even think about his vertical AOE. You're right! I annihilate the flying Ruin Drakes without even having to shoot their wings because of Ayato. Definitely S tier skill.
9:39 Ayato moves forward and follows his target when he's in E stance
To be honest, this is one of the worst tierlists I have ever seen.
Kokomi should be higher as her synergy with most of the teams is due to her high uptime in her E.
Fischl drives so many characters due to her E alone, and nobody cares about her Q.
Ayato and Yoimiya has a large amount of damage in their E.
Ganyu and Ayaka should be lower as their E is not the most used, compared to their better parts of their kit such as their charged shot and E. They provide a lot of particles though, similar to how Bennet is.
Yae's entire kit revolves around the use of her totems, and most damage potential and uptick of electro damage from this. She deserves at least A tier.
Albedo's E is very versatile. If you considered Yelan's E for her versatility, why not consider Albedo as it also helps in terrain and provides sizable damage in an area.
I think I'm disappointed at the least.
Heizou gets stacks just by playing (swirling to be precise) so you don't need to stand and wait.
Edit: there is no fucking way, Ganyu skill is on top of A tier when there are: Albedo and Fischl under it. Even i think Ushi is better, he can deal bigger dmg than Zhongli meteor
Diluc maybe a B or low A tier, but his skill got to be an A to S tier.
reason? it has no ICD, can chain 3 times, short cooldown, even if you switch the chain didn't reset, and good enough scaling to back it up.
Himself is a solide A tier
Yeah what a great skill it is. It summons a stupid pillar that you can get stuck on constantly and that blocks you projectiles
@@kawaiimika7974 I think you reply to the wrong commment
@@sureyeah3678 EWPSIE DEWPSIE! I probably clicked the wrong one accidentally. My bad XD
Can Attest to this, Having access to a skill that has upwards of 500% Multiplier divided into 3 casts with 0 icd is insane value
Kuki's skill is great, even before Hyperbloom made it amazing.
Consistent, mobile, electro application and healing with perfect/near perfect uptime.
Way better than Barbara's at least.
just a quick note: heizou has a passive where he gets a stack for every swirl he does so you can easily have a full stack without much worry so i believe heizous should be higher
Vars: _Babe it's time for your weekly Genshin Debate_
Community: _Yes dear_
Putting Yae Miko's skill, which defines her whole character, her signature weapon, her artifact sets and her entire playstyle in the same tier as Razor really got a hearty chuckle outta me! Truly one of the funniest comedy channels out there
Her skill feels a LOT worse to use however, plus what does Yae do that Fischl or even Raiden can't do
@@yuakim No it doesn't, it feels smooth in the right team (like with Tighnari where she has ample time to cast her turrets).
In his previous vid he did put Yae burst on the same tier as Fischl one, a nuke vs a skill refresh. Definitively biased.
We all know Yae has her flaws (and every character has his caveats..), but this guy probably never played Yae or has …skill issues.
edit, @Yuakim: yeah but.. no. Raiden is condionally triggered by attacks and single target, while Fischl is unconditional but single target. So, to answer your question, Yae skill is unconditional and multitarget.
@@yuakim just say you have skill issue. what cons do we wanna compare?
@@yuakim A well built yae can do pretty much triple the damage fishcl can do per turret hit and you can place 3 of them. Raiden E is not for her damage so her comparison is fishcl, you trade damage for particle generation.
People really underestimate yae off field damage, I think she with albedo are the supreme off field free damage characters and with dendro, Yae got even stronger and it’s not hard to see her hit 50k per hit on aggravate teams.
Yae skill should be at least A tier because of the sheer amount of damage she can do.
23:30 don't forget that when Qiqi's E is active she heals on normal attacks which is actually quite good since Qiqi's normal attacks are fast as hell and my Qiqi heals around 1k health with each hit so i think it should be at least a little bit higher, i know it's still pretty trash either way but it deserves some more credit
Yeah the only downside is the lack of energy regeneration, is a shame that none of qiqi's constellations addresses her energy problems unlike Barbara who does it
@bird but is too conditional, it requires to do a reaction to activate it, Barbara just needs to use her charge attack or just do nothing except exists, there's the fact that she gain less cooldown compared to qiqi
@bird Oh yeah, don't forget you can use sacrificial sword for even more energy per E tick, it makes her so broken /s
Don’t forget that ayaka’s skill grants her 30% more dmg for normal/charged attacks.
Qiqi's Skill is the easiest S Tier
Reason: 50% downtime with a 30 second cool down, what more can you ask for
Sac sword qiqi is goated
Don't forget small aoe and no partcels SSS Tier for sure
Seriously? healing based on her passive, no energy generation, no good damage . Do you people even know what we need in the game?
@@deadshade442 it’s a joke
@@deadshade442 Looks like someone wants another Qiqi, hmm? I mean, just look at that glowing praise you just said.
May Qiqi forever spook your pulls, even on guarantee friend! You honestly deserve it.
Ayato main here.
Correction: Ayato's skill doesn't lock him in the same location. You can kill one enemy with 2 slashes, and run to the other corner of the domain and kill a couple more with 2 more slashes, as long as it's done within 6 seconds. All his skill does is change his normal/ charge attacks into Shunsuiken slashes for 6 seconds. The only thing he can't do for the 6 seconds of the skill duration is plunge attack. The slashes also have deceptively large AOE.
I love watching your videos, but some of this is inaccurate. Here are the adjustments I would make:
Shenhe's skill should be in A tier. It boosts cryo dmg MASSIVELY and her passive allows her skill to boost ALL elemental skills, bursts, and normal/charged/plunging attacks regardless of element.
Ayato's skill naturally repositions itself when enemies move. In terms of buffing himself, definitely S tier.
Eula's skill literally debuffs enemies and can be a mini nuke. That's a ton of value. Definitely at least A tier.
Heizou's skill is A tier for me. He can gain stacks from swirling and these are usually obtained effortlessly. Then you just tap his skill to get CRAZY high damage. If you decide to hold it for the stacks and get interrupted, it actually retains the stacks so you can simply finish charging when the enemies stop attacking. His c6 gives his skill extra crit rate and dmg based on how many stacks he has, and he automatically gains one stack after taking the field at C1.
Yae Miko's entire kit is based around her skill. It's a little clunky to use, but the damage scaling is very high and it can have 100% uptime. It doesn't attack every 2-3 seconds, more like every second. Definitely A tier.
I would move Yanfei's to B tier. In terms of the value it provides to her own kit and damage, it has relatively good scaling and a low cooldown, so those free charged attacks actually help a lot.
Since Dendro's release, Kuki's skill gained a ton of value. Definitely A tier now because of its electro application in hyperbloom teams, but I know this was made last month.
I usually respect your opinions and don't think you miss much, but your take on Albedo and Yae Miko's elemental skills has me suddenly questioning if you actually understand the subdps role at all. These are both easily A if not S tier skills with substantial DPS from off field
he says that childe is on of the best main dps I think that says enough
Onfield element applier ≠ Main dps
@@yaemikoshandler That is technically true in theory, but only under impossible circumstances. Huge number of tightly grouped enemies that aren't in Venti burst makes Riptide very powerful on paper, it just never happens like that in the actual game.
ayato can move, and auto tracks enemies while attacking, if enemies are too far he also does a little dash towards them
😬😬😬😬 Ayato's skill is not stationary, Venti's skill has a tap mode which has a shorter cast time which is mostly used in combat while the one you mentioned in the video is the hold version which is mostly used for exploration. It's also quite interesting that you put a character's skill in a tier for damage yet put albedo in a lower tier yet his skill does a huge damage and is consistent. While i think qiqi's kit is not well designed what you said in the video is kinda off, Qiqi's skill does not require a talisman to heal, it passively heals the on field character. I love your videos but this might be your worst genshin video yet as it shows how little knowledge you actually have of some of the characters.
Yeah, same goes for Heizou. I think if he's counting other parts of a character's kit to be part of their elemental skill then he should count in the fact that Heizou can gain his declension stacks from swirling with NA's/burst rather than him just standing there for a long time holding his E
he has always been this way imo. i cant help but compare his character guide videos to other content creators like zyox and iwintolose who actually do a ton of math and testing. vars' guides have always been relatively lacking. i dont find his content reliable unfortunately. i do really like his why noone plays series though.
@@yagmurugur9904 oh yeah i actually find his "why no one plays series" quite entertaining too. And sameeeeee i really like iw2l and zyox guides also sevy's coz her guides are very very easy on the ears. Those are the only three genshin guides i think is worth watching as others tend to add a lot of alien mathematics or overhyping a character etc. The three content creator i mentioned just tell you how it is no sugar no bs.
"I love your videos but this might be your worst genshin video yet as it shows how little knowledge you actually have of some of the characters"
THIS; SO MUCH.
It's honestly embarrassing how biased he is & he doesn't even realize it. You shouldn't make a tierlist if you don't know half of the characters in-depth (& don't use them) as well as working with a LOT of pre-conceived notions.
For example; he put Xiangling in B-Tier when her skill is C-Tier AT BEST. Mind you he also put Albedo in B-Tier when he's A-Tier AT WORST.
He's all over the place, tbch. Don't even get me started on how he blatantly ignores some 4-Stars constellations entirely.
@@CoolMintMC i 100% agree with you in xiangling's case....the only thing guoba is good for is to start a fire so we can cook 🤣
10:05 This analysis just made me realize that Geo's very rigid and niche team composition actually aligns really well with the characteristics of the Geo element. Incredibly strong and unyielding when played right; but unreactive and inflexible - you have to build very specific teams for these characters to shine. The characters do not cooperate or synergize easily with other teams and characters.
Except for Yun Jin who benefits others by being the only Geo. It’s a good contrast from Gorou who is basically mono-geo.
I feel like if Tartag makes it into S then so should Ayato. As someone who has both of them, Ayato just has less aoe damage due to not having riptide, while Childe lacks the consistency that Ayato has. (Also I’ve never encountered this problem with fast moving targets as the slash hits such a big aoe and auto aims on each attack it’s pretty impossible to miss his attacks)
eh , i mean childe has riptide but besides that his skill being manual is a plus, because he can adjust his melee uptime with off field dmg dealers, most of the time i run ayato with xiangling his E skill ends faster than pyronado
Childe has better hydro uptime with his skill.
His attack, charge attack, riptide, they all have different ICD, so Childe apply a lot of hydro.
Meanwhile, Ayato has normal ICD on his skill.
This is not to mentioned Childe has better AOE too thanks to riptide and its explosion.
🌸😹I must concur with your assessment of the potency of Zhongli’s shield! Certainly it has made me far worse mechanically at Genshin than I was previously to acquiring his star and utilizing it solely upon mono Geo.
It is so I almost feel naked without Zhongli except for when I am utilizing Kokomi setups😹🌸
I feel like you make these videos with minimal thought… yae’s e does more than just periodical damage, her whole idea is mobility. She can easily move towards and away from enemies while setting up a constant source of damage. Albedo’s e easily does 20k damage every 2 seconds and doesnt interrupt any reactions. Ganyu’s skill is the most useless part of her kit since it doesnt work on bosses that have attacks with huge range, and you can easily keep a distance from smaller mobs. Itto’s e is a decoy and a nuke during burst so why isnt he in the same tier as ganyu? Childe’s e is only good for xiangling and yelan’s is only superior when it comes to exploration. It just all seems biased
Yup, Yae and Albedo should both be at least A tier.
100%
There's so much more that you didn't even mention, but I think that in-itself says A LOT.
I do enjoy his content, but these "Tierlists" he makes are genuinely horribly thought-out, he isn't even familiar with all the characters he's ranking & straight up misses some details ENTIRELY.
childe's skill is fine where it is, Childe's skill is riptide which scales quadratically which means tons of aoe damage and which also makes him the fastest hydro application in game because you are getting three sources of hydro application after using his E. The only other sources of quadratic scaling dmg needs burst which is ayato and Ganyu's burst + venti burst and even those have a limit on emeies. Childe's riptide has no limit for enemies and doesnt need burst or much special conditions
Honestly, rating Shenhe's skill in the same tier as Xiangling tiers seems soo odd. Guoba is just there, doing a little bit of pyro damage in a small area which enemies can get away from. Meanwhile Shene gives a boost to either Normal and charged attacks or skill and burts damage. Plus it gives a huge boost to any cryo damage. It is a huge part of her identity as a cryo buffer. But I guess since Xiangling is S tier her skill must also be.
Back when I was maining anemo Traveler I loved her skill. So fun! My only issue is if the enemy dies while you're holding it you don't get the energy particles. But I would definitely move that up a tier.
Ayato deserve to be S tier mainly because he doesn't spend a single stamina, good AOE, can work well with Yunjin. I don't see how he is A tier.
So is fischl she doesn't even have to be on the field, just drop E and boom
Because the Childe mains would whine.
The comments section really ain't letting this shit slide😭
You are wrong about ayato, you can move from enemy to enemy using his E, his hitbox being large helps in hitting alot of enemies too
If Shenhe's skill isn't in A tier because it only applies to cryo damage, then why is Gorou in A tier?
because gorou's skill has more supportive capabilities than an atk buff? he can resist intteruption, give defense boost and give elemental bonus dmg.
@@warrencaelum9536shenhe doesn't buff attack.... her buff SCALES off of her attack
What completely breaks Aloy's skill imo is the ICD of the stacks that the bomblets create. Aloy isn't all that strong to begin with, but limiting stack generation so that you can't trigger multiple at the same time e. g. with an Anemo unit just makes it absolutely impractical for getting her Cryo infusion going.
Still, it is pretty good in other characters. Decent dmg, occasional cryo reaction, big atk buff, cryo infusion, short atk buff for partners, enemy atk reduction and good battery. It just sucks cuz aloys multipliers are low + no constellations
@@MrJavilink Exactly, the problems you name wouldn't have been so jarring if at least we could instantly get those stacks for her infusion imo since it would have been way more consistent.
No man... the 20 second freaking cooldown of Aloy's E is what destroys it. The rushing Ice stacks thing is ridiculous, but its not what makes Aloy bad. Its her E's cooldown which is a complete joke.
@@pfortunato78 Yeah, that too. The ICD of the stacks wouldn't be so bad either if the CD wasn't so goddamn long.
excuse me? qiqi's E, on it's own, DOES heal the active character. the passive is a different thing. sheesh.
Kuki's consistent electro application that scales damage AND healing with EM should be at least B tier if not C tier. It was good even before dendro and now it's even better of course
Diona's skill also could go a bit higher but ymmv. The main thing is that even at r1 sac bow will trigger the passive consistently specifically because her skill hits enemies three to FIVE times (tap vs hold), which makes her shield basically last twice longer than it would be. Yes, it's only achievable with the sac bow, but the synergy she has with that bow is insane and amazing. The shield itself is also really strong.
Anemo Traveller's skill is actually pretty decent, can help group together enemies, self heals a good amount, and generates tons of particles
My opinions :
Heizou = Lisa
Hutao = yoimiya = childe = Ayato
Mona = ganyu = Amber = xiangling = Kokomi
Heizou and Lisa both have high scaling skills and having to stand still for a few seconds
Hutao yoimiya childe and Ayato their skills do basically the same thing converting their attacks into their element
Mona ganyu Amber xiangling Kokomi has a stationary taunt or damage Amber and Kokomi should be higher as ambers c2 lets you explode baron bunny doing 200% more damage and Kokomi can heal
I would say Heizou's skill is much better than Lisa's based on the fact that stacks can be gained quite easily from swirl reactions and swapping him in/out (C1) with overall higher scaling and lower cooldown.
Also, I would say Kokomi >> Ganyu/Mona/Xiangling > Amber. Rather than the damage, I would say the main purpose of these skills would be their taunt alongside elemental application - Kokomi's jellyfish excels at this off-field long-lasting application whilst healing, whereas Amber's Baron Bunny only applies pyro once per proc with a long explosion timer. Whilst you could explode the baron bunny, you'd have to aim a fully charged shot (requiring amber to be on field, which messes up rotations and sources of greater damage --> overall clunkiness) and the scaling is also not the greatest. IMO. Feel free to argue
I’m surprised you didn’t take into account Venti’s tap E which hits like a truck for no reason and gives a good amount of energy
Hard Agree. I wanna say my Venti's tap E regularly hits for like 15-20k? I could be remembering wrong but that sounds about right.(Helped by Stringless and a couple other things I believe.)
I think most people would agree that Fischl, Yae, and Kokomi all have better elemental skills than Ganyu. Useful as the taunt is, it's really no better than Mona's, while C6 Fischl and Kokomi are definitely S tier in their E-skills due to Amy's C6 and Kokomi's brokenly overpowered healing that lets you face tank as if you had Zhongli on your team. As long as you don't get one-shotted, Kokomi's squid healing provides a lot more health than Zhongli's shield, lacking only in its lack of super armor. I don't have Yae but she's at least A tier, if not S, simply due to the high damage scaling of an off-field damage source and random electro application to circumvent ICD for swirl teams. Powerful off-field damage sources and elemental appliers are significantly better than single-hit on elemental skills like most of B tier.
Also, Shinobu's elemental skill has definitely improved in its ranking since you recorded this. It's got pretty good healing for an E-skill, and she's currently one of the best support healers for aggravate Keqing or aggravate Yae, and will likely remain so until a dendro healer is released. And dendro really did improve the viability of all electro damage sources.
idk probably kazuha, raiden, albedo
Personal favorites are violet arc and lingering lifeline!!!
Edit after premiere:
• Albedo in B tier??? 🤯💀🙄😳😰😱🤧😕🤬😫😓👁️👄👁️
• Ganyu's skill in A tier is way too high lol... might as well put mona and amber in there as well.
• Kuki Shinobu's skill is actually really good now with dendro's release.
• I would say Tighnari's skill is B tier
• Dori's skill would be in B or C tier
• Collei's skill would be in B or C tier
Fischl continuous dmg and Sara atk buff are also good
Agree, if ganyu E in high A tier so mona should higher than ganyu, mona E >>> ganyu E
Beidou is s tier without a doubt. Tons of damage and the only stipulation once she’s built is timing it right. If you trigger it and release fast enough it behaves like it got hit twice
Now we just need a "Best Normal Attack" tierlist, but not based off damage, based on the animations
I think that'd be an interesting video at least, and It'd be a complete set with these other two videos
Other people have already made those kind of videos for animations
@@mintsugas really?? I've never seen any lol
And I suggested it because I think it'd be a fun idea / I'd like to see vars' opinion
Yun Jin, Kazuha, Albedo, Eula and Kamisato Siblings are definitely SS in that aspect.
@@hatooniewoomy akron made one I think
@@hatooniewoomy ratheil made one, his vids are really funny and entertaining
To the honest Albedo's E is basically 90% of his kit and it is really freaking good considering how long it lasts. Plus the elevator has some overworld uses.
Itto does a lot of damage, just like Ayaka's.
Kuki and Yae deserve a higher spot especially since dendro got released but I understand this video was made well before that part so meh.
you said noelle only shields and heals however with c4 it also does significant damage on explosion and some on cast which is why i think it should be minimum B
I agree
And that shield is strong too. Not as good as geo daddy, but still great.
People need to understand that shielding is like crit rate, in that it increases the overall consistency of your damage output.
Nice, simple and entertaining video!
About Heizou, the charging of his skill is more of a supplementary feature. The main way he charges his E stacks is by swirling other elements, and say your off field supports run out at 3/4 stacks - you can charge to reach the full 4 stacks
Ayato's skill can slash in different direction if you rotate your camera. I discovered it today as he was a trial character in the current event. I stood still and when the enemies died and new enemies spawned behind him, I turned the camera and he automatically targeted them. I might be wrong tho about the camera but still... he can
You can just move him and he continues to slash what he means by uptime is actually just that you get less slashes than you would if you have to say dodge turn around and otherwise
I feel like you didn't take Venti's press E into account at all. That's the version most people use in combat anyway and it doesn't have any lag. Almost instantly fills his burst gauge up too. Maybe not enough for A tier, but I really feel it needs to be mentioned, because right now your commentary is all about the lag of the hold version.
The updated one is needed. Yae's definitely not just a B tier anymore.
damn. usually i really agree with your videos mostly but i sadly gotta say that i see things different in this one. things i see would not put in the same ranking from A-D (S Tier is fine):
A: Ayato, Yoimiya and Kokomi could definitely be put into S tier. kokomi because of the really good hydro application and for the other two you mentioned it yourself. especially ayato i don't see the "enemies could move" as enough of a drawback to justify not giving him S-Tier. That 'drawback' literally applies to almost anyone.
B: Monas elemental skill barely does any damage. as someone who has triple crowned her, her elemental skill does almost nothing. the taunt isn't much more effective than baron bunny. it does apply hydro but it lasts so shortly and doesn't have too many ticks. i would put it in C-Tier. albedos skill is pretty vital i would at least put it into A-Tier. Physical Razor i also have tripple crowned, and his elemental skill literally does - for some reason, even with the scaling - no more damage or even less than a single auto attack for me. i used to think it is good because it is with low investment but now i would say it's literally either C-Tier only because he shreds resistance otherwise it would be D-Tier. Dillucs Elemental Skill is pretty good for him in my opinion. it's also a cool mechanic with the cancellation. you need to take into consideration that his swings are much faster if you alter between his e and normal attack also you get elemental reactions which is very important. I would give it an A-Tier.
C-Tier: I would put chongyun into B-Tier. arguably. first of all it provides cryo infusion which is unique. secondly it does decent damage over an area. it's also decent for breaking shields. nothing outstanding but better than the rest in that group in my opinion. kuki. ok. sumeru is out now so you probably changed your opinion on her with the electro application so i probably don't need to spell it out, but i'd put her in B-Tier i think.
D-Tier: dendro-traveler elemental skill is pretty decent damage-wise. but ok, dendro wasn't out at the video so yeah. but i'd bump her up to B-Tier (i mean it's not really much worse than e.g. bennett imho). qiqi: i know people will disagree with me here but i would *at least* give it a B-Tier. her other kit is pretty useless but the fact that with her elemental skill she can heal off-field is - in my opinion - her biggest advantage. also her skill just heals a lot. even without her passive. and if you don't consider passives for this tier-list then i would also put sucrose into A-Tier instead as she then 'only' provides grouping and an elemental application and not much damage.
I'm just here to say that I really enjoyed watching the video and hearing your opinions, at the end of the day a tier list video is based on opinions which is what makes it interesting. Thank you Vars for the fun content as always and I hope you don't let the critical comments affect you negatively!
i hear you man. But there is a thin line between making an opinion, and ranking Ganyu E as A tier
Yeah but he’s still basing those opinions on blatantly false information, and he contradicts himself a lot.
Your backround music in the videos is always on par! Xenoblade II! 😄😍
I think both albedo and yae deserve A for their skill, I mean I woud debate both of them to be in S. And I think venti E is underrated, it does huge amount of damage if you build him as dps, stun enemies (idk how to describe it), great energy generation and you use hold in open world for exploration and press in combat, it really deserves A rank
9:38 Ayato main here, do you mean you think Ayato can't move around with the skill active? He can, he can walk and run normally while the skill is active, and if you're holding a direction while having him attack he'll move slightly in that direction. He's not super mobile, but he's not locked in place.
But can he plunge🗿
you can move with Ayatos during is skill, and it have huge AOE.
Keqing ability is my fav, i used it all the time, it's incredibly satisfying plus its fun to climb stuff with it haha plus it's amazing to deal overloaded damage
There is so many wrong things with this tierlist tf...
how does one make a tier list about elemental skills and not know that Heizou gets declension stacks with swirls, it's literally his first passive
Why does Yae get B tier treatment but Fischl goes straight to A tier when they are literally the same ability except for the fact that yae's does more damage and has a larger range
Albedo's entire kit is his E... how tf do you put that in B tier
Lisa i can kind of get behind but even then if you are rating her at c6, when she enters the field, the whole area around her gets affected with 3 stacks for her elemental skill to just be casted on the spot
Why is xiao's E in A tier? it deals ok damage for an elemental skill but barely creates energy particles for him even with 2 uses
Eula's skill shreds physical and cryo resistances, makes her tankier, adds a lot of stacks to her burst and deals massive phyisical damage all on a low cooldown... and she's in B tier?
Yeah the Eula part got me fucked up. How many DPS’ have a Debuff in their kit that also is like a Mini Burst. Like sure she has energy issues but thats how they balance her out cuz otherwise she’d be broken
But even with Energy issues, it tells me that he doesn’t play Eula because her Normal Attacks are also stronk af. She’s a whole powerhouse
@Vars ll you should update your “Why no one plays Kokomi” because its not the case anymore.
It was never the case lol.
@@telzen8774 ur right.
I believe Geo Travaler skill is one of the most broken skill in the game because it ability to be place almost anywhere allows to climb any terrain. If you watch the youtube channel Moosashi you will see what I mean.
Ayato can turn and attack in different directions or even reposition the problem is the loss of damage when doing so.
Razor's E scaling and the resistance breaking makes it so I can have a fully physical razor build that does amazingly with dendro anyways. However I have to admit my artifacts have 100 EM just out of chance so that may be a part of it.
Qiqi's E does heal you. Every two attacks it heals.
C6 Lisa should be at least be B-Tier just for how much damage she does. I'll gladly charge 2 seconds for an upwards of 65k nuke without prior setup. The only problem is that it olny gets good at C6 but at that point it outscales a lot of the soley damaging skills of B-Tier, looking at you Diluc
Ayato does not attack only one same location, he can change position as he pleases and stop the flurry of attacks if the enemies move
vars this tier list is LEGIT so bad objectively speaking😭
19:32 don’t forget the most important thing, this skill will constantly apply hydro to your character, which will cause enemy ice attacks to freeze you (for example, wolf of the north)
no one actually cares about that lmao
@@warrencaelum9536 make sense since no one cares for Barbra
This was... a miss. It seems like this is just rated off of the first character tierlist you saw ngl.
Ushi should be way higher. Why? You put Ganyu's in A.
Also, check out the damage Ushi does. More than some 5 stars burst.
The only reason why ushi does so much damage is because of itto's passives. The skill itself isn't actually anything special
@@jj6148 that's a argument. If that's the case, Ganyu's E is not special either but still it's in A tier.
@@Rachitdubey I agree
Though my personal rankings may differ here and there, I thoroughly enjoy and understand your placements and reasonings behind them!
I think Yunjin's skill should be in the same tier as Beidou's. Yeah, there's less damage, especially with reactions, but the tradeoff is less requirements. You can insta charge if you get hit, but if you don't she takes a second to just max charge it anyway. Since it counts as a geo shield and you'll be giving her a bunch of def anyway, it's also a super tanky shield. Granted, you'd have to switch to her and hold her skill to get said shield, but you'll most likely get to still counter the attack
i wish it was an actual shield that stayed with the active character. she would be a way more useful support for yoimiya and ayato
@@yagmurugur9904 Imagine if she had the passive to maintain her shield if you counter perfectly an enemy’s attack. She’s already awesome, but she would’ve been extra awesome with that.
Correction: Shenhe's E-skill works for every damage, regardless of cryo, pyro and even physical through her a4 passive.
u mean the skill/burst bonus?
@@vaggeliskapsiotis7623 skill/burst and normal charge and plunging attacks
I find your voice very soothing
Actually, I'm in two minds about Albedo's skill, since it can provide a ton of sub damage while your other characters are on the field. It also gives a small shield (crystals) which kind of increases your party's survivability. However, the flower despite being designed for plunge attacks sometimes is just ruining the combat process. Ofc my gaming skills are far from being good, but I think at least once Albedo users misused the burst or E-button because of this goddamn flower rising you up into the sky. The exploration utility is questionable as well because the flower needs the FLATTEST SURFACE EVER, otherwise, it refuses to work.
Despite all the downfalls I think Albedo's skill is really good. I would use Albedo in almost all my parties because he was the best provider of sub dps damage and gave me, rare shileders user, a small shield, so my Diluc wouldn't die in the span of ten seconds.
Xenoblade 2 nerd in me just likes your videos more cuz you use so much of its ost alone, though these are fun videos anyway >.
You have it backwards with fishcl for best results. Her burst is the initial Oz activation because you start abyss with full energy. Pop q do your rotations then pop e. By the time that is about to expire her Q is back up.
Who the hell is telling you to use Heizou that way? With constellations (which this video assumes), Heizou's E has 1-shot potential. And, nobody should be using it to just swirl. That's extremely misinformed. I haven't seen a single rotation involving a non-fully-charged E.
I know it's very subjective, but I still can't believe you put Yae in B tier. 😅 For me, she is a solid A. I used to play Childe + Raiden E combo, but after getting Yae I noticed that the damage and electro application from Yae is better than from Raiden (for me at least). It is amazing that Yae's skill keep damaging enemies that are a bit far from you and when you get to them they're already dead lol. And you can basically stand and do nothing and her skill would kill everyone for you
I think lisas skill is heavily underrated because so few people have her c6, applying the effect on nearby enemies just for switching in is insane especially considering that 2 second charge up time can be negligible simply by giving her a shield, the scaling at level 10 is ABSURD in this context it’s 1000% atk scaling which is just, wow, aside from shogun she’s one of the only electro nukes in the game but getting her c6 is nearly impossible for anyone not a giga whale
Just came to say you have great taste in Music. XC has such an underrated soundtrack lol
i mean i would change a lot of things here, but for me the main ones is that kokomi E is as good as Zhongli shield in terms of survibility. And Ayatos E just slash multiple targets at the same time, for small enemies is a crowd controler as a anemo chac, and he does not stays in the same place, because each slash it gives, he follows the enemies, taking the fact that he has infinity stamina as well. I mean i just cant understand how Ayatos E is lower than Yelans E as well.
In regards to Heizou, you have to get at least 3 stacks through Swirls (and his constellation) and always attack fully charged. It does 900%++ damage making him probably the strongest 4* main dps.
Anemo Traveller skill saved me from the dreaded Lector and Herald Abyss during Ayaka’s Eternal Rerun 😭😭❤ at the time, Sucrose was my only other Anemo unit 🥺 the skill broke those elemental shields so easily 😔👌
This video told me which characters he must not own or have given any effort into. Albedo and yae skills being in b is pretty laughable when we put ganyu taunt in a…..yet itto taunt gets b but it can actually be used for big chunks of damage . Might as well put it next to baron bunny which you put in d tier . With constellations yes ganyu skill improves a lot but this was c0 from what you said….so in what world is it Atier while the others are put in the dirt? This was “ i like this character more so this taunt goes up higher “ lmao
I DIDN'T KNOW YOU PLAY GENSHIN OMG THIS MADE MY DAY😭😭
Love the music from Xenoblade Chronicles 2. It fits really well!