Let me just say this about my 2015 BMW GS. I agree with you about the speedometer. I had to buy the GPS as well. I am surprised you didn’t bring up the lead slab of a seat they put on the thing. I found a gently used Corbin to replace the OEM seat. The geography between the handlebar and seat position is a bit awkward-ish. I installed a combo riser setback handlebar mount adapter to fix this issue. What I love about the BMW brand is they are a world motorcycle. It doesn’t matter where you are you can get service anywhere in the world. As far as my own 2015 goes, it is a power brute, a dream to ride, love the height and visibility and when it comes to servicing it, no problem from replacing tires to the fluids. Some folks own a premium motorcycle for status. They keep it stashed in the garage and wash and polish it as not to see it dirty. They stand back and admire their purchase.. and little else. I refer to them as “owners or polishers”. Most riders including myself love to ride, not just on the weekend but cross country, up dusty roads and taking in some true “Adventure” riding. I find my GS runs just as well with a coat of dust, dirt and road grime as it does clean. I take care to do the servicing but I ride the hell out of a motorcycle..... I am like most...a “Rider” and have been most of my 71 years. So, BMW is a great fit for me, an old guy.
So do I, even if I am not Dutch. It felt strange to start with but once i got used to it I really started to enjoy being able to se over cars, in the traffic!
I have exactly the same bike and year as yours.I could not quite afford a new one so bought a used model with full BMW history from a non franchised dealer.The bike looked superb in the showroom.I am much like yourself in that I am fastidious about cleaning my bike so as soon as I got the bike home the cleaning to my standard began,this is when I spotted it,engine corrosion between most of the mating surfaces especially on the top of the engine.On a bike that has only covered 8000 miles,this is pretty poor.Took it back to the dealer only to be told corrosion was not covered.Contacted BMW UK,the upshot being that even if I had purchased the bike from a BMW dealer and bought an extended warranty,corrosion would still not be covered. Next problem,loud clacking noise from the right side of the engine,A small amount of research on the net has shown that this is a problem with the LC bikes but most dealers here in the UK say this is normal....Bullshit is my answer to that. I traded in my 6 year old FJR for this,it was ultra reliable,had no corrosion on it anywhere,wish I had still got it. I love the way the BMW rides and handles but the BMW build and quality,compared to my FJR, is an overpriced expensive myth.My first and last BMW.
+Brian smith Oh dear Brian, sounds grim, sorry to hear of your torrid time with the GS - I've been very lucky with mine, I have heard others that have complained about corrosion too :0(
I think opinions vary depending on the country you live in and even the region within that. Where I live in the USA, BMW's are not that common so "feedback" to my GS Rallye always seems very positive and even many none motorcyclists are very interested and ask a lot of questions, if for no other reason than the GS is so different from the proliferation of Harley Davidsons, and Harley clones, that just about everyone else seems to have. In the UK they have a different perception due to the age and perceived "wealth" of those who ride them. There are also quite a few who bash them in an attempt to point out why there bike is as good or better for less money, some of that may be from envy, but ultimately that is very subjective, for example I really love the Telelever front suspension on BMWs and the comfort benefits it provides in terms of lack of dive and any passengers sliding forward, I'm sure others feel otherwise, but for me that alone is worth a few thousand dollars more and then there are other unique BMW features and characteristics that justify to me the extra expense. Others don't see it that way and that's their prerogative and the reason I don't attempt to tell anyone else what they should, or shouldn't ride, at the end of the day it's that "X" factor that defines how you feel about any particular bike and what will give you the true owner satisfaction.
Having had 2 GS 1200's I think you have hit the nail on the head with most of them Andy. If I had one these days the top one for me is that just everybody has one and the image of having one is probably even worse. There is a saying that the GS is the clit of the bike world, because every **** has one. Bit unfair but I get the sentiment. They are great bikes to be sure, but I think the Honda Crosstourer beats it hands down, but didn't get the press unfortunately.
The R1200GS is tall because you need that when your off roading. If you don't like a tall bike, the RT or K1600GT/L would be better for you. Have you looked into the BMW training courses? TMF, I am so glad riding season arrived where I live. So nice to get my bike out and back on the road.
I had one for an extended weekend in Germany... and I'll second the noise comment. At over 180kmh on the Autobahn the bike was making such an unhappy noise I wasn't comfortable pushing it harder - sounded like the motor was about to grenade. Overall the bike was a very comfortable touring bike... not the most exciting bike (scraped a peg on nearly the first fun corner I met and had to scale back my riding style relative to my Multi), but I rode 1500 miles in 4 days (along with a lot of sightseeing) and was very comfortable. I also agree that the quickshifter was not great... worked OK at mid throttle shifts but not at hard throttle and not at light throttle.
What? Clicking into gear from neutral and having a huge clunk with the bike jerking a little bit is my favorite part of sitting at traffic lights! I used to have a small 125 and I was so envious of people with bigger bikes having the huge clunk when they put it in gear!
I must say I cannot blame you for being distracted from matters of research, design and engineering @ 6:43, it happens to the best of us, and has happened to me before....!
Today I rode an S1000XR, a R1200GS & a R1200RS in that order. XR was superb but I'd kill myself with all that power!! RS was great but at motorway speeds the buffeting and wind noise off the screen just about deafened me. No way I could do big miles on it. The GS however was perfect. So one order just placed for a brand new R1200GS TE Triple Black edition. I've had all sorts of bikes during my 33 years of riding but I reckon this one is going to be the best I've ever had (though I did love my Suzuki GSX1100 Katana!!)
+TheMissendenFlyer Got told the build date is now late May so prob not til mid June. Hoping that will be bought forward as need to run her in before I head to Scotland to do the North Coast 500
Good list. IMHO, all speedos should be digital. Analogue gauges should only be used when you need to see rate of change for things like knowing when your next shift is coming on the tachometer. I had a 2011 and would add a one thing to the list. The first gear idle speed is too high for any kind of serious trail or even traffic jams. This is compounded by a clutch that starts smelling the second you slip it in the least. I traded it in for a ZX14R (ZZR1400 in Europe) and couldn't be happier.
It's cool to hear now, in 2019, about the things that are now, at least half of them, all gone. Do a new video of the new GS's, it would be interesting to see what changed or not :)
The perception of BMWs in my neck of the woods is of expensive quality. If you want a bike and have a little money you buy a Japanese bike. A lot more money and you get a Harley, like most people in the states. If you have a lot more money and you do long tours you get a BMW. Back in the day they had a reputation for longevity, so the cost was spread out over several years of riding. Not sure if any of that is true but that's the rep around here. Personally, I'm a Triumph fan. Mainly because they are relatively scarce.
Ha, no difference in the ride modes? Never seen the traction control light go on? I think that is because of your riding "style". The difference between rain and dynamic are really noticeable when rolling on the gas hard. If you don't push her you wouldn't know. And when off road that is not even a reasonable statement sir. It's like having two different bikes , set to enduro, turn off abs and traction control and blast through corners with a rooster tail behind you. You might be using only half of what is available to you.
+terrafree I haven't used the Enduro / Pro modes much, but the only difference between Rain, Road and Dynamic modes is the throttle response, i.e. how much you need to twist the throttle grip to register the same throttle % position. The engine makes exactly the same torque and horsepower at the same throttle % position in those three modes. It has been proven by dyno runs. This is quite different from the engine modes of sport bikes which alter the engine maps.
+terrafree I completely agree. I've rolled in the throttle quite hard after having pulled into a layby to adjusts my helmet and the front wheel came off the floor while in dynamic mode.
I bought a 2011 low mileage GS1200. I hated the clunky agricultural gear change. Apart from that it was a good touring bike. I only kept it 6 months and changed to a KTM 1290 Superduke GT
The BMW transmissions can be perceived as "clunky", but it's a trait of BMW that makes it a BMW. If you "pre-load" the gear in both upshift and downshift, the transmission shifts wonderfully smooth.
Some things I hate about the GS Adventure. 1) Spoked wheels so difficult to check tyre pressures or add air before a ride. Spokes get in way. 2) Tempation to take the thing off-road intentionally.... no, it cost £18,000... no. 3) Temptation to stick every electronic gadget you own to the handlebars... no, its a bike just ride it. 4) Can't leave it anywhere parked and not worry about its safety and wellbeing.
the number 8 of your list is what really I get angry for, I understand the need for ground clearance on a offroad oriented motorcycle but the seat heights sometimes are really ridiculous and sometimes don't offer a chance for the potential rider, Honda at least did a good job on the Africa twin which has adjustable height seat, plus a lower seat height option which is also adjustable, CCM with there GP450 did also a great job which they made an option for short riders. the little CRF250L is not that bad but i wished it was another inch or two lower on the seat.
+ripmax333 Interestingly I see in today's MCN that Triumph have just released a new "low" version of their Explorer - properly low too, not just a seat or bit of suspension chopped out...defo a market need here...
An intelligent and well put together view from someone who has actually bought and ridden the bike hes talkin about. There is no point pickin on his comments just accept them as someones opinion, cheers mate
My No, 1 complaint: The Styling. It is the polar opposite of how Ducati would design a bike. It's awkward looking and convoluted. No smooth contours, puzzle piece wind screen, bird beak high front fender, worst headlights I've ever seen on any motor vehicle, a pipe frame designed by a confused plumber, quirky conrols and confusing LCD instrumentation. A deliberately complex bike that is expensive to build and likely complicated to service. I dunno, I guess I don't get it.
recommend taking the off road training courses from BMW. after that I doubt the statement of "i would never take this bike off-road because of the weight" would be said. have to expand one's horizon
Yes those course come highly recommended, but for now I'll do the off-road stuff on my little Honda CRF until I get a bit better at it - maybe one of those courses next year. What are you riding? Have you done the course??
Yes I have done the 3 levels. I was fortunate enough to be living in Dubai in 2011 and the local dealer brought in two instructors from South Africa. Both were Dakar finishers. The course was both theory and practice. At the end, you are doing stuff on the bike you never dreamed possible. At the time, I rode the F800GS 30 year anniversary model. That is when I found out that the R1200GS is easier to pick up than the F800GS. Hard to believe but a 16 year old girl righted her Dad's 1200 after learning the 2 techniques. The cylinder heads change the lift start angle making it easier. Since that course I owned a R1200GS while living in New Zealand and now ride a 1992 R100GS-ParisDakar here in the states.
Wow, sounds good - will look into a little further me thinks....thanks for all the info. So are you settled in the US now or are more globe trotting moves on the horizon? Sounds like you have a very interesting life....
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For you to throughly enjoy and get the most of your GS you have to take it off road. Why buy one if you always keep on the tarmac? That's the point of the bike.
+Bryce Mandrell Hi Bryce, I would suggest there are a lot of GS owners who never take their bikes off road but like me bought it for its rugged looks coupled with its touring capability and class leading electronics/ride (in fact I wouldn't mind betting a majority). That's the point...bit like Range Rover drivers who never go off road (I have one of those too, and you guessed it, I stick to the tarmac.....). Thanks for watching and stopping by - TMF
On the image thing, in fairness they are mostly owned by old blokes. Mind you I once did a track day at Spa and there was a bloke on one in the fast group, he could ride too, properly. I was impressed, until he crashed it at La Source. The pain on his face wasnt for his injuries. A crashed GS is not a pretty sight
Weight - Tried the K1600gt? Looks beautiful (in a showroom), but in REAL life a double-decker bus is lighter. Bit of a rant here. When they design m'bikes don't they ever take weight into consideration? At the end of the day it's a 2-wheeled vehicle. All the promotional videos are ridden by professional riders to make it look a breeze. Cost - You add all the options and you can buy a luxury car & still have change. This applies with all motorbike manufacturers. Spares have a 100% markup. Buy a car tyre - price includes balancing + fitting. For a m'bke tyre, it only includes the tyre. Fitting is extra, and even that is dependent if you take the wheel off yourself or have the garage do it (which obviously costs more). Try that with car drivers & just watch the revolt. Road tax or ved has been increasing every year for m'bikes, whilst for cars it has come down despite that it takes & uses the same space of a 'car'. M'bikes have been 'green' long before the car industry even thought about it. Reason for bikers being screwed? Because we love the freedom of riding a m'bike, and the manufacturers take full advantage of this.
extra power? ahahhaahaha tippie toes go away when you have luggage and a pillion... suspension will sag. I tip toe on both 8GS and 1150GSA and once geared up with luggage and/or pillion I flat foot.
+Loutre Tom Yes that is a good point - unless of course you select the "luggage with pillion" suspension setting, then the ol' girl really grows!! Cheers for watching - TMF
I was pulled over for speeding on a GS and the officer approached me and asked (which they always do in the U.S. for some reason), "Do you know how fast you were going?" I said, "I haven't a clue. Look at this stupid speedometer!" He let me go with a warning. I think for the amount of money BMW charges for bikes that they can come up with a simple speedo that is geared for the market in which it is sold; I do not care how many kilometers an hour I am going nor do I imagine people in Germany want to know the MPH. This is not just BMW -- my Moto Guzzi V7 was just as bad.
+John Sumser Very good point - think you were lucky to get away with that one! UK traffic police always ask that too, don't know why because they obviously know how fast you were going! Cheers for stopping by, all the best - TMF
I bought a used 2005 R1200GS and didn't even get a chance to put 1000 miles on it before the dreaded clutch fail. The bike now has 35,000 mi, to dam short to fail. After finding the hidden info (it's well hidden) I find out the input shaft is 5mm short on full spline engagement to the clutch plate (AKA known as modified clutch trick, Beemer boneyard). I also found out the cheap fuel quick connect problem and the timing chain (left) slap that sounds like a rod knock. I have found the "cures" to these problems, things that will take time and money. I wish I had known about BMW "problems", or lack of addressing problems I would have never have thrown a leg over one. That is my first and last BMW product, ever.
Bloody perv. 😉 Ever since Ewan & Charley did LWR & LWD I've always thought of the GS as quite a young persons bike, the old man image was certainly true of the older 70's & 80's flat twins. I know what you mean about the price of the GS. After sitting on the GSA at the NEC show I was smitten, but when I looked at the price list I was flabbergasted, hence the decision to buy the Triumph Tiger Explorer XC. Which worked out at near as damnit four grand cheaper, that's an awful lot of petrol and tyres to have fun with. The Explorer isn't perfect, but I enjoy it immensely. Keep the excellent videos coming, if you're ever up in Lancashire, we'll have to have a ride out. 👍
When it comes to the clocks....."Speed"......I did the exact same thing you did on my ZRX 1200 in 2002. I put stickers in two places. The clocks on bikes in general are mostly unreadable while driving in traffic. The second thing is my biggest complaint. I am 5 feet 9 inches tall and a lot of bikes I would love to have, the seat is just too high. Using tip toes to hold it up with a passenger on the back it dangerous to say the least. My ZRX is fine, I can actually flat foot when stopped. But BMW adventure bikes are terrible as are most other adventure bikes. On your bike the engine offers a low center of gravity and then they make you sit so high. So what's the point of the engine with a low center of gravity? Designers need to think this through. You can still have a low seat height and still maintain reasonable ground clearance. Barry
Nice to see a proper owner report on any bike and able to compare to the newer versions too. much better than a bike magazine showing it off flying round corners or how fast they are
Had to laugh at the I can't detect any change in change mode comment! That's because there isn't any! You need to really push the bike hard and have it sliding about you then notice it. All the modes do is alter the TC and throttle, oh and abs in enduro. And yes you should have got the lower version makes a huge difference, much better.
At 6,2 and a wee bit stout I can only ride an adventure type bike , I only look at a tiger or GSA, count yourself lucky young man !! I would be bent up like a pretzel on a panigali ps a,I have lost 4 stone and still wouldnt fit on one 😎😉🙄
Congratuations for the review! I fully concur with everything staded here. The worst thing I hate is the gear! Completely unacceptable for a motorbie of this technology and price... couldn't be worse...
TheMissendenFlyer Negative, never drove an Enfield, however I insist, the r1200gs gearbox is simply unacceptable for such a bike! thanks for the reply!
what i hate most about the gs is the fact that it’s massively missused! it’s like buying a range rover sport for doing the school run! everyone i’ve seen that buys one gets every extra available and spends a fortune on it and either uses it to commute or go on roads that i can go on with my zx10r. 🤷🏻♂️
Crikey, you have opened a can of worms here old chap. For my 10 penn'orth, I chose a Kawasaki Versys GT over the BMW because of the value for money/cost to change for what you get. It's a very good bike no question, but you are dead on with the gearbox - and having done many miles on a shaft drive Yamaha FJR, it is possible to engineer out all that backlash. Also, the speedo and general meter clarity: as most owners do tend to be older (the only people who can afford one??) and wear glasses to read, it is a big issue. I also found that the bike 'hunted' on constant throttle through town, fuel injection/throttle sensors issue I suspect. So when I priced up a GS at £14,000 to change (after trade in) or the Kawasaki at £8,000 (I did get a stonking deal). For top money I want a perfect bike! (Oh and don't forget, there is a reputation of gearbox fragility too!). And the other comments are correct; keep your eyes on the road, not the girls bums... :))
+Geoff Selvidge ...the day I don't look at the girls bums is when I realise I have become that "old man" that rides a GS....other than that, you speak very wise words as usual Mr Selvidge!
I am 35 and have wanted a GS for years after having many other motorcycles. I don't think its an old man's bike!! I now have an R1200GS 2014 in extremely good condition and I love it!! I do agree with your comment on the gearbox and the speedo, engine noise im not too fussed about. And the cleaning!! I have followed your advice and bought the dryer etc and the ACF50 makes a huge difference. Ace videos and reviews thank you!
Hey there, great video! After getting used to the bike now, would you still go for the lowered suspension or are you doing fine with the low seat? What would you recommend for my height of 5ft 9 (175cm) with normal legs/torso proportions? Thanks!
Should have bought the F or G650GS... Better everything for those of shorter stature.. The seat is better and lower to the ground without modifying anything, better fuel efficiency and a lighter bike than the 1200... I know.. I have both the R1200GS as well as an F650GS..
"Almost as bad as owning a Harley Davidson" - TMF classic! Funny how I watched your long term review first where the GS was praised, then this one..........I guess there's good and bad in everything and they do reveal themselves over time. 6.44 - steady tiger, er I mean GS.
...well I think it probably says more about my lack of skill & confidence off-road and my bank balance! In skilled hands these things are weapons off-road.....but you know that really don't you ;0) Thanks for watching - TMF
Not sure I understand Karl? I can assure you I wave at everyone and I don't just ride at weekends...mind you I don't just ride a BMW either! Thanks for watching, all the best - TMF
I recommend the BMW offroad course in Wales. I did it a few years ago and it does wonders for your confidence on these tall bikes. 1st thing they teach is getting on and off without the side stand. I did it and Im only a 5'8 shortarse. I dont ride off road but the techniques for riding and bike control are very helpful, plus you dont drop your bike at the first sign of gravel. You also get to drop their bikes not your own. you soon get used to picking them up.
iain macdonald I'm booked in with the BMW Off Road School in Sept 2017. I think these bikes should be handed over from new, laying on their side in the collection bay at BMW. haha
Number 1, the gearbox number 2 the gearbox, number 3 the gearbox......... You get the idea. I love the 1200gs but the gearbox is worse than a tractor in low gears.
Yes it sure is clunky but to be fair I rarely miss a gear or have trouble shifting on the GS, on bikes I've had in the past (I'm thinking Triumph Tiger here) the box sounded smoother but I was always getting false neutrals or struggling to get into second....
If you are going to rate a bike you should ride it as it as it is supposed to be ridden. The GS is at it's best where you are not riding in this video, it is a GS for Petes sake. Maybe go some place on the thing before you give advice
@@TheMissendenFlyer Very humble response. I agree with you; folks generally watch many reviews of the bike they are interested in and probably gravitate to the ones that mimic their own circumstances and riding style. You made it clear that you don't off-road with the GS.
Finally a video not about how much you love the GS! I'm with you on its annoying weight, gearbox, cost and speedometer. This bike is a beast and you'll be reminded when you try to manhandle it. Manufacturers have gone too far down the "bigger is better" route for the adventure-touring segment. The gearbox feels like it belongs on a tractor. I don't have the Gear Shift Assist and every shift requires a solid kick on the lever and is accompanied by a solid clunk. And that illegible speedometer has no excuse to be on any modern bike. The industry standard has long been a large analog tachometer and a digital speedometer. Finally, the cost of the buying and maintaining the bike is very substantial. BMW dealerships seem to assume that anyone who can afford a GS can afford to be boned. Thankfully the boxer engine is quite frugal at legal speeds, saving you some money for the yearly gouging.
+James L Despite all that James (and we concur on all these points) I still love the bike! ...as the Americans would say "go figure"! Thanks for taking the time to comment, all the best - TMF
TheMissendenFlyer Thanks for your response. Despite its shortcomings, the GS is a great bike. I recently took it on a month-long trip and went through all kinds of conditions: scorching sun, freezing rain, high altitudes, bad roads... I wouldn't want to be on any other bike! Enjoy your ride and keep the great videos coming!
No no no, the very worst thing about the GS - and many of BMW's luxo-barges - is that you need to have the legs of a 6ft 5" man, and the torso of a 5ft 5" man. This is so you can make easy contact with terra firma, and also have your head low enough to keep out of the screen's directly-aimed-at-your-head wind blast. Even with the screen extender, it's major head and ear buffeting time. The second worst thing about the GS is BMW's insistence on maintaining a fucking air-cooled engine in this day and age. They invite us to coo in praise because they've water-cooled the heads. Pah. The third worst thing about the GS is the fact BMW are still making bleeding two-cylinder bikes, while charging six-cylinder car prices! Sorry, 600cc pots are too big, and there are too few of them. The result is that you cannot use the engine below 3000rpm because of snatchy juddering power delivery. So, the myth of the 'low-end torque' of the big twin is just that - a myth. Neither can these big mills rev very high - and so the reality is that you can use the engine between about 3000 and 8000rpm - which is a 5000rpm rev range. The damn flat twins sound like an asthmatic combine harvester at top revs though, so you're more likely to run 3k to about 6k max .... a comfortable-to-use 3000rpm rev range. That's a narrower rev range than a modern two-stroke. Be aware, be forewarned that the big Beemer flat-twins are nothing special. They are also too wide for single-tracking. Marvellous front suspenders though. Car-like precision of steering.
+Nishant Moenesar it wasn't a stereotype I was being factual! :0) Well Wikipedia said the Dutch are the tallest nation on average so it must be a fact.....
+TheMissendenFlyer that is true.. i love the way you interact whit your viewers its realy nice to see that you actualy care about what we have to say.. keep it up !
+TheMissendenFlyer Hi Missen, I've loved your videos and have just picked up my new red 1200GS with factory lowered suspension. In the lowered seat position with a standard seat, it has a seat height of 820mm. I also had the lowered seat which takes it down below 800mm. You can buy the lowered Touratech Shocks or trade yours in. I just sold a an 800GS which here in Australia, mostly we go offroad. Mate, you are missending out on what the GS is good at. Come and visit over here in OZ. Cheers - Does the name Flyer suggest you're a pilot??
I'm still not sure if this video is made in a humorous way, or what you say in it you mean it. All the complaints seem meaningless to me, except perhaps that of the speedometer. What I find most shocking is that you have spent 18000 quids to find out that you hate the price of the bike.
I have had my 2018 GS triple black for 3 weeks now and thought that the clunky gearbox was just my bad riding, I agree the riding modes make no difference at all, whats that rear seat about!!. All you need is the Thatcham alarm, I have to creep around the bike in my carpet slippers and camouflage to stop it constantly going off.That said I'm still staring at the bike with adoration.
Well it wasn't a deal breaker as the bike is so good in other respects - the good points far outweigh any negative ones in my opinion, a great bike. Thanks for watching and commenting - TMF
Whine much? Very disappointing after having enjoyed so many of your other vids.. "Hate" is a very strong word to use.None of these conditions occurred after the test ride. They were all preexisting before you coughed up the purchase price which I assume you did of your on volition. By the way. Have you the dynamometer print outs to show the power claims which you mentioned relating to the power loss/gains of the end can switch ? Just busting you chops here. Keep up the good work.
+TheMissendenFlyer A few years ago I put a Staintune full system on a cam-head RT.I felt that it was stronger at the very top RPM but softened the mid range a bit. Now this was with highly calibrated Butt- Dino only. Probably was faster due to the lighter wallet though. On a 2015RT now. Loving the wet clutch but not the more compact cockpit . And by the way. If you were a normal height like my 6 foot 5 then the GS is a perfect fit. Had a factory lowered GSA for about 3 months but went back to the RT . Still think about the GS every once in awhile. Thank you again for the vids. Ride safe.
The only thing I truly hate on my GS is the tank range. The tank IMO is a little too small for a serious touring bike, which is why my next GS will be a GSA. Other than that after 30 plus years riding I've pretty much found my perfect bike.
Agree with them all. I have moved the GPS over to the left and squeezed a Zumo 550 on the rail which I have the speed up on. Also brought the button mount from BMW for the nav 5 so I can use it on my ZZR1400. Works quite well.
I own a '15 K50 R1200GS. I'm 6'2", so the bike fits my height perfectly. I've put almost 10k miles on it in the last 5 months that I've owned it, and his non-size related gripes are totally accurate. It is indeed the hardest bike to clean. The speedometer loves to pick up sunlight and reflect it and totally blocks the needle, but the digital speedometer readout is better to notice. The sound is very subjective, but I like it and the uniqueness it has as one of the only flat twin series out there (minus the Ural). The bike is fantastic, and these gripes are well thought out and accurate.
Sir, You are right on the problem of the UNREADABLE SPEEDOMETER, I have a GS like You and I left the GPS installed all the day only for to know at which speed I'm going.... I will place a pair of bright coloured adhesives on the sides of the speedometer to sign the 50km/h and the 90 km/h. (italian speed limits city/extra city) currently without the GPS I'm travelling around completely not aware of which speed I'm going....
I have a 2016 R1200RS and I can see what you mean regarding keeping the bike clean and the speedometer. Aside from that 2 different beasts and it sounds like you might like the RS better, especially since you don't off-road with the GS.
+TheMissendenFlyer Just be careful when you do go for a test ride of the RS ... you will be very tempted to add to yuor stable! When I was in the market I was fixed on teh S1000XR but the vibrations and the higher-strung nature of the motor turned me off. Then I rode the RS and the rest is history. The RS and GS might share an engine but that is where the similarities end ... aside from the propensity to get instantly dirty at the slightest drizzle and the hard-to-read speedo.
I have a 2005 1200GS non adventure model, with the oil cooled cylinders, it’s a great bike, for me as I’ve long legs and a short body. The older model has a lovely noise at full chat, like a cruising Lancaster Bomber👍
Yes, at 5'6 and 43 years of age, all of the weight, height and sight issues are all very relevant. In saying that, after coming off Kawasaki ZZR1100's, Porsche turbos and the like, speed, adrenalin and the risks with your life and everyone else's aren't worth it. Bring on safe, boring and enjoyable risk free fun!! Love my GS more than all those many super fast machines I've owned combined cos the BM doesn't inspire you to take unnecessary risks. Love your honest reviews! Chris from Australia
#4, the gearbox. Yeah, I get that. I ride a 2000 R1100RT and it was my first BMW. The transmission was the first thing that I noticed in a bad way. It shifts like a truck - it's clunky and I quickly learned to preload the shifter before upshifts. The other problem is gear noise. I went from 75W-90 to 75W-140 Amsoil and the gear howl went away. It also helped shifting a little. Despite that I love the bike. I've been riding it since 2007 and she'll probably be my last bike (I'm 62 and the knees are showing wear).
Re seat height, there is a low seat version, as mentioned in the video. Definitely worth test riding one (with the low suspension / seat) if you feel standard seat is too high. Try before you buy ... etc.
I've had an '05 R1200GS for about ten years. I ride many bikes, new and old, and always come back to the big GS as favorite. Nothing else has the feeling of balance entering and through the corners. I've tried to decipher why. Partially the unique Paralever and Telelever suspensions that reduce dive and squat, working well with the long travel, well damped spring compliance, and the wide bars and low, wide engine, like the pole a tightrope walker carries, giving longer polar moment in roll. The cushy but controlled ride gives great feel for what's happening at the tire contact patch, something we bikers must live by or die even sooner ;-) And the mild dirt-bike steering geometry gives the GS quick steering response at normal road speeds, where sport bikes are race horses in living rooms, stiff and awkward, really meant for over 100...way over. The big GS is a mega-Supermoto on tight twisties, and will kill typical sportbikes there. The compliance is the reward for the ride height. The RT models do not have the same stuck to the road feel as the 1200GS, and the lower, stiffer suspension on Rt's is one reason why, along with more weight. Bravo GS! Ride one a long way, quickly, and you will learn, too. +TheMissendenFlyer, I enjoyed your video, and agree with most points, from flat exhaust note (better with Remus, I say), to clunky gearbox, to cost, and it ain't no dirt bike, too big n heavy, but knobby tires help. But I don't share the cleaning worries. I'm with the adventure guys, just hose and sponge it and hit the long road in the pouring rain. Case in point: no chrome. Thank you, and cheers!
I have a 2013 GS which I bought as a demonstrator and it cam with a BMW Akra end can and the std can came in a box. The sound was certainly a little deeper note but not enough to have made me pay to put the Akro end can. However I was advised by the AKRA manufacture to fit the matching pair of down pipes to match their end can and that it opened up the full release of some extra hp and being a bigger bore, the down pipes really add a significant noise improvement. So I ordered them. Very easy to fit and the difference in note and power is noticed immediately. Some have said the extra deep note makes long riding tiring, but I’m fine with it. Re you complaints, this gearbox is 100 time better than the agricultural thing that they used in my early GS. that was definitely clunky but in time I learned to time gear changes and tbh I hardly noticed the. However on my 2013 GS the box is like night and day especially when you’ve learned when to snick up or down at the optimum time. I’m not saying the box is perfect but with a small amount of practice you can change so smooth you barley not. I guess the height issue is self explanatory. The bike is classiadventure bike meaning it’s capable of light off road riding. That means longer suspension travel as a result your going to need a bit more ground clearance and a bash pla some wooden blocks to the bte, therefore a little more ride height/ground clearance is needed. A banana to the first person who can work out why adventure bike have a slightly higher ground, clearance which in turn make the seat height a little higher. The bike has a simple seat :height adjustment under the seat at the base of the tank [no tools needed] if that not low enough BMW supply an extra low seat. Either way there is a way to resolve short legs. Failing that just nail
I agree re "agricultural" gearbox. Its heavy and probably over engineered - but in the long run, that could be good for reliability... Going into first, always generates a loud clunk. 1st to 2nd is another loud tractor-like clunk - I also have quick shift fitted, but i don't use it for 1st to 2nd change as its too brutal. On the way back down the box, the quick shifter does a very good job, blipping the throttle superbly every time as it goes through neutral... on the way down from 2nd to 1st.
+Jules Dive Completely agree Jules, your experience directly relates to how I find the BMW gear box and shifter - thanks for stopping by, all the best - TMF
Cleaning: I know using a pressure wash is discouraged but I think with a shaft-driven machine, it should be ok if you stand back a bit. I spray mine with some of that pink goo from Halfords, wait a minute and jet it off and no snags so far.
I've had two GS's in the past, 1100 and 1150, put over 50,000 miles on both of them, I guess I liked them, and that was before Ewan and Charlie did their bit. I'm currently riding a BMW R1200R Lc, 2015 model, I absolutely love it. I've ridden the latest GS and GSA but the same engine in the R seems even torquier and the BMW shift assist pro works brilliantly on this model too. The R is also considerable lower to the ground, so it carries it's weight much lower. You should get a ride on one of these if you get the chance, I think you'd be surprised how much fun it is, the handling is exceptional as are the brakes. It's higher geared I believe than the gs models and covers the ground extremely effectively, even short shifting and using the torque it's a surprisingly rapid. Re the highly reflective instruments on the GS I honestly believe BMW should recall all models afflicted and retrofit a less reflective cover for the speedo etc at no cost to the bikes owners, it's a safety issue as far as I'm concerned. Always enjoy your videos, although perhaps the word hate is a touch strong, lol, though I do agree with most of your comments. cheers Ride safe tony
+antonoat Thanks Tony - Yes the word "hate" was really only used to get peoples attention - "10 minor niggles I had trouble thinking of" may not have got so many viewers! Glad we concur on the main points, and yes it's surprising how different the same engine in different clothes can feel isn't it - I noticed that when I rode the RT, completely different character to the GS yet the guts of the things are probably 80% the same....
I have a 2016 gsa, and I have to agree with you for the most part except for numbers 6 (riding modes are quite distinguishable on my bike, of course, I take mine off-road), 5 (apparently I have a different seat), great video, keep them coming.
I would rather use the description of quirks, but it is nice to know I am not alone in identifying most of these as you have. I am 6' 4" but have not gotten use to the stance at a stop. Ridden so many bikes for so many years but this is my first BMW R1200 GS (used 2005). Had it for about a month now and haven't gotten it clean yet. It is a dirt magnet and the previous (original) owner wore the dirt as a badge of accomplishment. Can't wait to mount the GPS that the seller is still looking for in his stash of accessories he promised me. It definitely is different and in South Florida it is quite the rare bike. Many comments from admirers.
Hey Wally - good choice of machine! I have to admit the using dirt as a badge of honour thing I don't get, give me a clean bike any day (when I go off-road the first thing I do when I get home is clean the bike!). But then I do have a touch of clean-bike OCD :0) Cheers for watching, all the best from a grey and miserable blighty....
Mr. Flyer- I've reviewed this 2016 video since buying a 1250GS, and I believe that most of your 10 things to hate about the 1200GS have been addressed by the new bike. Still remaining: 1) Cleaning will not be any easier 2) It's still a heavy bike, but my lowered-frame model takes care of the height 3) The cost is even higher 4) Your worries about the "image" of GS typical GS owners would remain, but personally I am not bothered by what people with narrow outlooks might think of me. Besides, my wife wanted us to buy the new bike!
1:05 it just sort of farts it’s way along, really :-)) That’s why I ride a Triumph Tiger 800 - maybe not the best top-class adventure bike, although it is a very capable machine off-road, but the engine is THE masterpiece on that bike, especially with an aftermarket exhaust like the GPR Furore (so beautiful). I can ride that Tiger 800 for several hundreds of miles per day and not be tired, the sound of the engine is just music to my years. I forgive her all her possible shortcomings because of the engine...
Very interesting, indeed. And most amusing (in the best sense). As a BMW motorcycle aficionado and owner / rider, I just wanted to comment on a couple of things you mentioned in your video. The sound of the engine depends where you are situated. If you are the rider it sounds like a cross between a lawn mower and an electric sewing machine. But if you are on foot and the bike passes by, the sound is fantastic.Boxer gearboxes have always been clunky. My first bike was an R45 (same engine sound, and heavy for something under 500cc), and it took me a long time to get used the gears. Shaft drive, too, means you must not stop at traffic lights, or anywhere else still in top. You will never be able to change down to first without rolling the bike forwards a little as you press the gear pedal. I could go on. Now have a K100RS 16v. Quite, quite different, but still bloody heavy.
Pretty damn spot on mate. I owned this exact model for two years, but I didn't get rid of it for any of these reasons. I sold it because It was unreliable. Had numerous problems with the electronics, had it towed twice. There were also several recall items that BMW didn't even notify me about. It had a 1st gear stalling issue. Other than that I did like the bike, but in the end was too afraid to ride it in fear It would break down again.
My goodness, sounds like you may have had a Friday afternoon machine - mine has (so far, touch wood) proven very reliable, I love it! Out of interest what did you replace it with??
Good to hear mate. I sold the beemer with one month left on the warranty, but lost out almost 10k on the re-sale, would have been more if I sold it for the pittance the dealership was offering. Replaced it with a 15' 1290 sdr. Yeah, I'm full of bad ideas lol.
Oh nah, that's in Aud. About 6,000 pounds. Definitely would have got more for it from a private sale, but I didn't want to headache of potential idiots riding it and thieves looking to steal it or my other bike lol.
Hi TheMissendenFlyer. Another informative video that helped me a lot. Especially *the riding modes part* because I am saving up to by a BMW. I've own the older BMW's but today's high tech. bikes are strangers to me *Question:* Should I buy a BMW F800 GS/GSA or that BMW R Nine T? My facts: - I am over 50 - I'm 5' 10" (inseam 30") - I will commute to work on paved roads (not sure of the condition as I am moving to a new area) - The place I'm moving to is Asheville, North Carolina, will ride in that climate Thanks sir.
Well I can't really answer that for you - you'd have to ride them both. I'd personally take the standard R9T over the F800 just because the R9T is a cool bike and the F800 is a bit, well, bland. But from a purely practical level the F800 would make an excellent commuter and is probably the better "day to day" bike. If it was a Sunday blast only then R9T, for commuting - F800 - but as I say, best check 'em both out and see what you think. BMW's are great bikes these days, you can't go far wrong with any of them. All the best - TMF
Thanks TheMissendenFlyer! Actually you helped me quite a bit. I will get the F800 GSA to at least have an exciting name on the bike. You said the right word to me - *practical.* Before I asked you just now the young man in me was saying R Nine T but the wise man said F800. I needed a neutral party that was younger than I ; ) You mirrored what I was thinking in my heart. Anyway, thanks again. Stay safe.
My two cents, if you haven't bought the bike yet. Definitely ride both. I'm 6'0" with 33" inseam. The F800GS is a VERY tall bike. It is taller than the standard R12GS, and way down on power. I have been fortunate enough to ride most BMW models for several days (or weeks) each, and own four. Sorry to say the F800GS was my least favorite. Mind you, if you'll be riding in the dirt a lot, go for it. Otherwise, why not also consider the R1200R. Full 1200cc of power; lighter than the R12GS; barely heavier than the R90T, but with 15hp better water-cooled engine, and yes you can really feel the difference. It is also an almost upright very comfortable position, extremely nimble and maybe the easiest to ride full-sized bike I've ever been on. R90T is very cool, but the R1200R is the much better all-around bike. Throw a windscreen and bags on it, and you can even go touring ;) Good luck!
Nice comment tibor t. I'll think about that I owned years ago a BMW R1150R and loved it. But at the 5,000 miles service the mechanic had a rookie helping or maybe doing the whole service. And they mess up the bike. The R1150R would stall at traffic lights and not start until about 2 minutes of try to turn it over. Very dangerous in traffic! I returned the bike for free warranty repair 5 or 6 times. no good. Traded it in on another bike at a loss. I do like the simplicity of the R Nine T but now distrust boxers a little even though I know it was those past mechanic that was the real problem that messed my old bike up. Still you have a very good point tibor t. As TheMissendenFlyer said, I better ride them both and see.
You pretty much Nailed It. I've had mine for 1 year now. I would add the Wind Screen, ineffective and too much wind noise. I see you have added a thingy to yours so maybe you forgot how bad it used to be. In fact, since I agree with you on the other complaints (perhaps not the order) I'm inclined to trust your judgement and possibly research what you have added to your screen. PS I'm 5' 10" with a 31.5 inch inseam.... I tiptoe my GS, I wish the dealer had not talked me out of getting the lowered version, the slightest bit of gravel, bump or uphill and I can't push the bike while seated. Sooner or later I am going to have to put a foot down on an off camber or a downside hill and I will surely fall over. Anybody who says, "Just pick a spot to stop where you can put your foot on something" has not accumulated much dirt time.
Hi Don, glad we concur! That windscreen fixes the turbulence problem - checkout my videos on MRA Varioscreen for all the details! Cheers and thanks for stopping by - TMF
The 2014 doesnt have a digital display of the speed. only that year didn' get it in the software. and never will apparently. 2013 and 2015 onwards got it. i didn't realise otherwise i would have waited for later model. All the other things are no problem. its quite easy to service actually. mine does not have to mph kmh split. based on market i think. so its easy to read
Servicing charges: I find the boxer engine really easy to work on, having the valve assembly so easily accessible means even valve checks/adjustments are a doddle. I have an '07 model and that that has the screw/locknut valve adjusters. This engine layout should mean that once the warranty is out and you have it serviced at an independent I'd expect the servicing charges to be much less than any other bike with a similar capacity. These bikes are just so easy to work on, the only special tool you need is a GS-911 which are worth their weight in gold.
At 6'4" I love the height. I bought the GSA for the height. Got the tallest suspension mode and highest seat and it fits like a glove. My pet hate is the turbulence from the screen. Haven't yet found a combination of aftermarket screens and spoilers that works for me above 65mph but working on it. Also, for me the weight makes it feel solid, planted and the size gives it real presence on the road - downside of the height and width is filtering is a pain, especially van wing mirrors. Great vlogs, keep it up.
My 2006 Rotax 650 is doing well and great for 400km trips I took commuting this summer to claims. Bit daunting if any of these newer bmw stop unlike a good BSA single.
I just bought a 2018. I have to say I have no hate and tons of love. I do agree with the price being a bit much - and add-on pricing is pretty crazy. That said - love the bike...and dont mind it getting dirty.
I'm a Harley person, But I got a 10 Reg GSa last year and love it too bits. At 5Ft 10In the bike fit me well. Been riding for nearly 16 years now and at 64 years old. I thought you like the bike. Also get an after market dealer too look after the thing then you don't pay main dealer price's.
the speedo thing must be annoying, however I found this with my GS Adventure speedo it was a bit small which I had for two years, not a problem to me once I went back to specsavers and got some varifocals!!. We are all different and I have to wear my specs now all the time otherwise I would not see the numbers at all......just my thoughts and not suggesting your eyes not upto the job, thanks for the great video once again.
I think you're right Chris, my eyes definitely aren't up to the job - I've worn glasses/contacts since the age of 12 and alas I think the time for varifocals may be approaching (or even half focals).....!
Let me just say this about my 2015 BMW GS. I agree with you about the speedometer. I had to buy the GPS as well. I am surprised you didn’t bring up the lead slab of a seat they put on the thing. I found a gently used Corbin to replace the OEM seat. The geography between the handlebar and seat position is a bit awkward-ish. I installed a combo riser setback handlebar mount adapter to fix this issue. What I love about the BMW brand is they are a world motorcycle. It doesn’t matter where you are you can get service anywhere in the world. As far as my own 2015 goes, it is a power brute, a dream to ride, love the height and visibility and when it comes to servicing it, no problem from replacing tires to the fluids. Some folks own a premium motorcycle for status. They keep it stashed in the garage and wash and polish it as not to see it dirty. They stand back and admire their purchase.. and little else. I refer to them as “owners or polishers”. Most riders including myself love to ride, not just on the weekend but cross country, up dusty roads and taking in some true “Adventure” riding. I find my GS runs just as well with a coat of dust, dirt and road grime as it does clean. I take care to do the servicing but I ride the hell out of a motorcycle..... I am like most...a “Rider” and have been most of my 71 years. So, BMW is a great fit for me, an old guy.
The first thing I hate about the GS id that I can't afford one.
+EinkOLED ....to be fair, the cost of the thing was on my list!
hahahaha good one
EinkOLED it's as good as reason #3
She is too tall for you 😅
Agreed, I think it's a lovely bike and would love to own one and I'm only 39!..................can't bloody afford one though!
As a Dutch guy, I love the height of the bike ;-)
Same XD
So do I, even if I am not Dutch. It felt strange to start with but once i got used to it I really started to enjoy being able to se over cars, in the traffic!
Me too 👍
As a dutch guy (201cm) i chose for a ktm because it's even higher 🤪
I have exactly the same bike and year as yours.I could not quite afford a new one so bought a used model with full BMW history from a non franchised dealer.The bike looked superb in the showroom.I am much like yourself in that I am fastidious about cleaning my bike so as soon as I got the bike home the cleaning to my standard began,this is when I spotted it,engine corrosion
between most of the mating surfaces especially on the top of the engine.On a bike that has only covered 8000 miles,this is pretty poor.Took it back to the dealer only to be told corrosion was not covered.Contacted BMW UK,the upshot being that even if I had purchased the bike from a BMW dealer and bought an extended warranty,corrosion would still not be covered.
Next problem,loud clacking noise from the right side of the engine,A small amount of research on the net has shown that this is a problem with the LC bikes but most dealers here in the UK say this is normal....Bullshit is my answer to that.
I traded in my 6 year old FJR for this,it was ultra reliable,had no corrosion on it anywhere,wish I had still got it.
I love the way the BMW rides and handles but the BMW build and quality,compared to my FJR, is an overpriced expensive myth.My first and last BMW.
+Brian smith Oh dear Brian, sounds grim, sorry to hear of your torrid time with the GS - I've been very lucky with mine, I have heard others that have complained about corrosion too :0(
I don't know why people think they are old man bikes I'm 15 and I love the look of them and I want one
+Livingston rc Good chap!
And I'm a mature woman who loves her's!
you'll find that it's mostly people who can't afford them who say that.
I think opinions vary depending on the country you live in and even the region within that. Where I live in the USA, BMW's are not that common so "feedback" to my GS Rallye always seems very positive and even many none motorcyclists are very interested and ask a lot of questions, if for no other reason than the GS is so different from the proliferation of Harley Davidsons, and Harley clones, that just about everyone else seems to have. In the UK they have a different perception due to the age and perceived "wealth" of those who ride them. There are also quite a few who bash them in an attempt to point out why there bike is as good or better for less money, some of that may be from envy, but ultimately that is very subjective, for example I really love the Telelever front suspension on BMWs and the comfort benefits it provides in terms of lack of dive and any passengers sliding forward, I'm sure others feel otherwise, but for me that alone is worth a few thousand dollars more and then there are other unique BMW features and characteristics that justify to me the extra expense. Others don't see it that way and that's their prerogative and the reason I don't attempt to tell anyone else what they should, or shouldn't ride, at the end of the day it's that "X" factor that defines how you feel about any particular bike and what will give you the true owner satisfaction.
Nor do I! I always thought they were cool, even when I was really young!
Having had 2 GS 1200's I think you have hit the nail on the head with most of them Andy. If I had one these days the top one for me is that just everybody has one and the image of having one is probably even worse. There is a saying that the GS is the clit of the bike world, because every **** has one. Bit unfair but I get the sentiment. They are great bikes to be sure, but I think the Honda Crosstourer beats it hands down, but didn't get the press unfortunately.
Oh no - the cross tourer was so heavy to move around....and thirsty!
The R1200GS is tall because you need that when your off roading. If you don't like a tall bike, the RT or K1600GT/L would be better for you. Have you looked into the BMW training courses? TMF, I am so glad riding season arrived where I live. So nice to get my bike out and back on the road.
+Boodieman72 ...I do like the RT I must admit - that's potentially my next bike....
TheMissendenFlyer Maybe you'll like the K1600 even more :D I have my eye on an RT for my next bike, once the one bought last year is paid off.
The season ??
I had one for an extended weekend in Germany... and I'll second the noise comment. At over 180kmh on the Autobahn the bike was making such an unhappy noise I wasn't comfortable pushing it harder - sounded like the motor was about to grenade. Overall the bike was a very comfortable touring bike... not the most exciting bike (scraped a peg on nearly the first fun corner I met and had to scale back my riding style relative to my Multi), but I rode 1500 miles in 4 days (along with a lot of sightseeing) and was very comfortable. I also agree that the quickshifter was not great... worked OK at mid throttle shifts but not at hard throttle and not at light throttle.
+David Kuhn Cheers David, thanks for watching and for stopping by - TMF
What? Clicking into gear from neutral and having a huge clunk with the bike jerking a little bit is my favorite part of sitting at traffic lights! I used to have a small 125 and I was so envious of people with bigger bikes having the huge clunk when they put it in gear!
Hehe, I hadn't thought of it like that before Matteo - in that case add that to my "top tem things I love" list :0) Cheers!
I ride an '81 R65 and it is quite clunky, I should think I would miss it if my newer bike didn't clunk too lol
Haha, me too.
I must say I cannot blame you for being distracted from matters of research, design and engineering @ 6:43, it happens to the best of us, and has happened to me before....!
+HartfordHD125 ....it's called being alive isn't it?? ;0)
Today I rode an S1000XR, a R1200GS & a R1200RS in that order. XR was superb but I'd kill myself with all that power!! RS was great but at motorway speeds the buffeting and wind noise off the screen just about deafened me. No way I could do big miles on it. The GS however was perfect. So one order just placed for a brand new R1200GS TE Triple Black edition. I've had all sorts of bikes during my 33 years of riding but I reckon this one is going to be the best I've ever had (though I did love my Suzuki GSX1100 Katana!!)
+andrewrwuk Great choice Andrew - you'll love the big BMW - when do you pick her up? Exciting times eh?
+TheMissendenFlyer Got told the build date is now late May so prob not til mid June. Hoping that will be bought forward as need to run her in before I head to Scotland to do the North Coast 500
+andrewrwuk Oh bummer - a fair wait, and that running in game is a right pain....let me know how you get on with her??
Good list. IMHO, all speedos should be digital. Analogue gauges should only be used when you need to see rate of change for things like knowing when your next shift is coming on the tachometer. I had a 2011 and would add a one thing to the list. The first gear idle speed is too high for any kind of serious trail or even traffic jams. This is compounded by a clutch that starts smelling the second you slip it in the least. I traded it in for a ZX14R (ZZR1400 in Europe) and couldn't be happier.
Glad we're largely in agreement...GS to ZX14R eh? quite a change! Thanks for watching and stopping by - all the best - TMF
It's cool to hear now, in 2019, about the things that are now, at least half of them, all gone.
Do a new video of the new GS's, it would be interesting to see what changed or not :)
The perception of BMWs in my neck of the woods is of expensive quality. If you want a bike and have a little money you buy a Japanese bike. A lot more money and you get a Harley, like most people in the states. If you have a lot more money and you do long tours you get a BMW. Back in the day they had a reputation for longevity, so the cost was spread out over several years of riding. Not sure if any of that is true but that's the rep around here.
Personally, I'm a Triumph fan. Mainly because they are relatively scarce.
I love a trumpet too, what do you ride?
Ha, no difference in the ride modes? Never seen the traction control light go on? I think that is because of your riding "style". The difference between rain and dynamic are really noticeable when rolling on the gas hard. If you don't push her you wouldn't know. And when off road that is not even a reasonable statement sir. It's like having two different bikes , set to enduro, turn off abs and traction control and blast through corners with a rooster tail behind you. You might be using only half of what is available to you.
Gsaw 2014
+terrafree Yes you may well be right terrafree, thanks for stopping by - TMF
+terrafree I haven't used the Enduro / Pro modes much, but the only difference between Rain, Road and Dynamic modes is the throttle response, i.e. how much you need to twist the throttle grip to register the same throttle % position. The engine makes exactly the same torque and horsepower at the same throttle % position in those three modes. It has been proven by dyno runs. This is quite different from the engine modes of sport bikes which alter the engine maps.
+terrafree I completely agree. I've rolled in the throttle quite hard after having pulled into a layby to adjusts my helmet and the front wheel came off the floor while in dynamic mode.
+James L The ABS, traction control and suspension are changed by the riding modes as well.
I bought a 2011 low mileage GS1200. I hated the clunky agricultural gear change. Apart from that it was a good touring bike. I only kept it 6 months and changed to a KTM 1290 Superduke GT
The BMW transmissions can be perceived as "clunky", but it's a trait of BMW that makes it a BMW. If you "pre-load" the gear in both upshift and downshift, the transmission shifts wonderfully smooth.
+Aaron Brown True...
Aaron, can you tell me what you mean by pre-load the gear? I just bought a k1600 and I'm not loving the gearbox.
The idea is to put some weight on the gear lever prior to clutch and change. If you practice rev matching the next gear will just click into place.
Some things I hate about the GS Adventure. 1) Spoked wheels so difficult to check tyre pressures or add air before a ride. Spokes get in way. 2) Tempation to take the thing off-road intentionally.... no, it cost £18,000... no. 3) Temptation to stick every electronic gadget you own to the handlebars... no, its a bike just ride it. 4) Can't leave it anywhere parked and not worry about its safety and wellbeing.
All very good points! Thanks for stopping by....
“ It just sort of...farts along.”
And-
Agricultural gearbox!
Rolling in the dirt, thank you very much.
the number 8 of your list is what really I get angry for, I understand the need for ground clearance on a offroad oriented motorcycle but the seat heights sometimes are really ridiculous and sometimes don't offer a chance for the potential rider, Honda at least did a good job on the Africa twin which has adjustable height seat, plus a lower seat height option which is also adjustable, CCM with there GP450 did also a great job which they made an option for short riders. the little CRF250L is not that bad but i wished it was another inch or two lower on the seat.
+ripmax333 Interestingly I see in today's MCN that Triumph have just released a new "low" version of their Explorer - properly low too, not just a seat or bit of suspension chopped out...defo a market need here...
An intelligent and well put together view from someone who has actually bought and ridden the bike hes talkin about. There is no point pickin on his comments just accept them as someones opinion, cheers mate
Thanks Andy - appreciate the kind words and completely agree with your advice ;0)
I also ride a GS 1200 and do not agree with most of the points but I agree that he must be allowed to have his view about the bike.
My No, 1 complaint: The Styling. It is the polar opposite of how Ducati would design a bike. It's awkward looking and convoluted. No smooth contours, puzzle piece wind screen, bird beak high front fender, worst headlights I've ever seen on any motor vehicle, a pipe frame designed by a confused plumber, quirky conrols and confusing LCD instrumentation. A deliberately complex bike that is expensive to build and likely complicated to service. I dunno, I guess I don't get it.
recommend taking the off road training courses from BMW. after that I doubt the statement of "i would never take this bike off-road because of the weight" would be said. have to expand one's horizon
Yes those course come highly recommended, but for now I'll do the off-road stuff on my little Honda CRF until I get a bit better at it - maybe one of those courses next year. What are you riding? Have you done the course??
Yes I have done the 3 levels. I was fortunate enough to be living in Dubai in 2011 and the local dealer brought in two instructors from South Africa. Both were Dakar finishers. The course was both theory and practice. At the end, you are doing stuff on the bike you never dreamed possible. At the time, I rode the F800GS 30 year anniversary model. That is when I found out that the R1200GS is easier to pick up than the F800GS. Hard to believe but a 16 year old girl righted her Dad's 1200 after learning the 2 techniques. The cylinder heads change the lift start angle making it easier. Since that course I owned a R1200GS while living in New Zealand and now ride a 1992 R100GS-ParisDakar here in the states.
Thanks for the response and questions. Cheers.
Wow, sounds good - will look into a little further me thinks....thanks for all the info. So are you settled in the US now or are more globe trotting moves on the horizon? Sounds like you have a very interesting life....
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I agree with the riding modes hard to tell much if any difference
For you to throughly enjoy and get the most of your GS you have to take it off road. Why buy one if you always keep on the tarmac? That's the point of the bike.
+Bryce Mandrell Hi Bryce, I would suggest there are a lot of GS owners who never take their bikes off road but like me bought it for its rugged looks coupled with its touring capability and class leading electronics/ride (in fact I wouldn't mind betting a majority). That's the point...bit like Range Rover drivers who never go off road (I have one of those too, and you guessed it, I stick to the tarmac.....). Thanks for watching and stopping by - TMF
On the image thing, in fairness they are mostly owned by old blokes. Mind you I once did a track day at Spa and there was a bloke on one in the fast group, he could ride too, properly. I was impressed, until he crashed it at La Source. The pain on his face wasnt for his injuries. A crashed GS is not a pretty sight
Oh dear! You’ll be an old bloke too one day (if you’re lucky!!)
@@TheMissendenFlyer I already am! Just stating fact. Didnt say I didn't like them ;-)
@@markmywords312 Fair enough!
Weight - Tried the K1600gt? Looks beautiful (in a showroom), but in REAL life a double-decker bus is lighter.
Bit of a rant here.
When they design m'bikes don't they ever take weight into consideration? At the end of the day it's a 2-wheeled vehicle. All the promotional videos are ridden by professional riders to make it look a breeze.
Cost - You add all the options and you can buy a luxury car & still have change. This applies with all motorbike manufacturers. Spares have a 100% markup. Buy a car tyre - price includes balancing + fitting. For a m'bke tyre, it only includes the tyre. Fitting is extra, and even that is dependent if you take the wheel off yourself or have the garage do it (which obviously costs more). Try that with car drivers & just watch the revolt.
Road tax or ved has been increasing every year for m'bikes, whilst for cars it has come down despite that it takes & uses the same space of a 'car'. M'bikes have been 'green' long before the car industry even thought about it.
Reason for bikers being screwed? Because we love the freedom of riding a m'bike, and the manufacturers take full advantage of this.
Summary:
10. Noise
9. Weight
8. Height
7. Image of bike
6. Engine modes
5. Seat(esp pillion seat)
4. Quick shift
3. Cost(Purchase & Maintanence)
2. Cleanliness
1. Speedometer
Thanks for watching and for stopping by! All the best - TMF
extra power? ahahhaahaha
tippie toes go away when you have luggage and a pillion... suspension will sag. I tip toe on both 8GS and 1150GSA and once geared up with luggage and/or pillion I flat foot.
+Loutre Tom Yes that is a good point - unless of course you select the "luggage with pillion" suspension setting, then the ol' girl really grows!! Cheers for watching - TMF
I was pulled over for speeding on a GS and the officer approached me and asked (which they always do in the U.S. for some reason), "Do you know how fast you were going?" I said, "I haven't a clue. Look at this stupid speedometer!" He let me go with a warning. I think for the amount of money BMW charges for bikes that they can come up with a simple speedo that is geared for the market in which it is sold; I do not care how many kilometers an hour I am going nor do I imagine people in Germany want to know the MPH. This is not just BMW -- my Moto Guzzi V7 was just as bad.
+John Sumser Very good point - think you were lucky to get away with that one! UK traffic police always ask that too, don't know why because they obviously know how fast you were going! Cheers for stopping by, all the best - TMF
I'm considering on getting one and it really looks like a person really has to dig deep to find things they don't like about the bike.
+ElusiveLamster Very true - the GS is a brilliant machine....
I bought a used 2005 R1200GS and didn't even get a chance to put 1000 miles on it before the dreaded clutch fail. The bike now has 35,000 mi, to dam short to fail. After finding the hidden info (it's well hidden) I find out the input shaft is 5mm short on full spline engagement to the clutch plate (AKA known as modified clutch trick, Beemer boneyard). I also found out the cheap fuel quick connect problem and the timing chain (left) slap that sounds like a rod knock. I have found the "cures" to these problems, things that will take time and money. I wish I had known about BMW "problems", or lack of addressing problems I would have never have thrown a leg over one. That is my first and last BMW product, ever.
Fair enough...
Bloody perv. 😉 Ever since Ewan & Charley did LWR & LWD I've always thought of the GS as quite a young persons bike, the old man image was certainly true of the older 70's & 80's flat twins. I know what you mean about the price of the GS. After sitting on the GSA at the NEC show I was smitten, but when I looked at the price list I was flabbergasted, hence the decision to buy the Triumph Tiger Explorer XC. Which worked out at near as damnit four grand cheaper, that's an awful lot of petrol and tyres to have fun with. The Explorer isn't perfect, but I enjoy it immensely. Keep the excellent videos coming, if you're ever up in Lancashire, we'll have to have a ride out. 👍
+Mark Smith Thanks Mark....ignoring your opening comment....
When it comes to the clocks....."Speed"......I did the exact same thing you did on my ZRX 1200 in 2002. I put stickers in two places. The clocks on bikes in general are mostly unreadable while driving in traffic.
The second thing is my biggest complaint. I am 5 feet 9 inches tall and a lot of bikes I would love to have, the seat is just too high. Using tip toes to hold it up with a passenger on the back it dangerous to say the least. My ZRX is fine, I can actually flat foot when stopped. But BMW adventure bikes are terrible as are most other adventure bikes.
On your bike the engine offers a low center of gravity and then they make you sit so high. So what's the point of the engine with a low center of gravity? Designers need to think this through. You can still have a low seat height and still maintain reasonable ground clearance.
Barry
Yep - agree with all that - although I'm only 5 foot 8 and have no issue on the BMW with the low seat fitted....I'm flat footed.
Your bike is easier to service and it's off road so you have the best of both worlds 👍
Nice to see a proper owner report on any bike and able to compare to the newer versions too. much better than a bike magazine showing it off flying round corners or how fast they are
"The gearbox is... agricultural." LOL
Had to laugh at the I can't detect any change in change mode comment! That's because there isn't any! You need to really push the bike hard and have it sliding about you then notice it. All the modes do is alter the TC and throttle, oh and abs in enduro. And yes you should have got the lower version makes a huge difference, much better.
+Dazfast Thanks for your advice Dazfast - all the best - TMF
At 6,2 and a wee bit stout I can only ride an adventure type bike , I only look at a tiger or GSA, count yourself lucky young man !! I would be bent up like a pretzel on a panigali ps a,I have lost 4 stone and still wouldnt fit on one 😎😉🙄
Agree 100% there are so many bikes for average or smaller sized guys
These big adventure bikes are perfect for us 6ft + guys
Congratuations for the review! I fully concur with everything staded here. The worst thing I hate is the gear! Completely unacceptable for a motorbie of this technology and price... couldn't be worse...
Glad we agree Christos...although to be fair, the gearbox could be worse, have you ever ridden a Royal Enfield?? ;0)
TheMissendenFlyer Negative, never drove an Enfield, however I insist, the r1200gs gearbox is simply unacceptable for such a bike! thanks for the reply!
keep your eyes on the road ahead!!!
+Peter Hogg I like to be aware of my surroundings ;0)
what i hate most about the gs is the fact that it’s massively missused! it’s like buying a range rover sport for doing the school run! everyone i’ve seen that buys one gets every extra available and spends a fortune on it and either uses it to commute or go on roads that i can go on with my zx10r. 🤷🏻♂️
I find this very interesting, and I only own a Carrera folding bicycle from Haltfords...
Crikey, you have opened a can of worms here old chap. For my 10 penn'orth, I chose a Kawasaki Versys GT over the BMW because of the value for money/cost to change for what you get.
It's a very good bike no question, but you are dead on with the gearbox - and having done many miles on a shaft drive Yamaha FJR, it is possible to engineer out all that backlash. Also, the speedo and general meter clarity: as most owners do tend to be older (the only people who can afford one??) and wear glasses to read, it is a big issue.
I also found that the bike 'hunted' on constant throttle through town, fuel injection/throttle sensors issue I suspect.
So when I priced up a GS at £14,000 to change (after trade in) or the Kawasaki at £8,000 (I did get a stonking deal). For top money I want a perfect bike! (Oh and don't forget, there is a reputation of gearbox fragility too!).
And the other comments are correct; keep your eyes on the road, not the girls bums... :))
+Geoff Selvidge ...the day I don't look at the girls bums is when I realise I have become that "old man" that rides a GS....other than that, you speak very wise words as usual Mr Selvidge!
The only thing I hate is the price of the GS.
+kiko27370 I agree with that one!
Mirko Battistella i'm agree with you, in indonesia r1200gsa would be cost 36.000 pounds
I am 35 and have wanted a GS for years after having many other motorcycles. I don't think its an old man's bike!! I now have an R1200GS 2014 in extremely good condition and I love it!! I do agree with your comment on the gearbox and the speedo, engine noise im not too fussed about. And the cleaning!! I have followed your advice and bought the dryer etc and the ACF50 makes a huge difference. Ace videos and reviews thank you!
Brill - glad we concur Mark and that you have found my videos of use!
Sorry but why hate the height of the bike? Surely you should hate your own height!!!
+Da51lva Yeah, good point! :0)
TheMissendenFlyer sorry 😉
Hey there, great video! After getting used to the bike now, would you still go for the lowered suspension or are you doing fine with the low seat? What would you recommend for my height of 5ft 9 (175cm) with normal legs/torso proportions? Thanks!
Should have bought the F or G650GS... Better everything for those of shorter stature.. The seat is better and lower to the ground without modifying anything, better fuel efficiency and a lighter bike than the 1200... I know.. I have both the R1200GS as well as an F650GS..
What an idiotic comment!
"Almost as bad as owning a Harley Davidson" - TMF classic! Funny how I watched your long term review first where the GS was praised, then this one..........I guess there's good and bad in everything and they do reveal themselves over time. 6.44 - steady tiger, er I mean GS.
...don't get me wrong - I do love the GS....but as you say nothing is perfect....
You don't take an adventure bike off-road because it's too big and heavy... that says a lot about the gs1200
...well I think it probably says more about my lack of skill & confidence off-road and my bank balance! In skilled hands these things are weapons off-road.....but you know that really don't you ;0) Thanks for watching - TMF
for instance, see "ARiemann1" videos here on YT and you can see what`s possible with big enduros off-road
Classic British BMW rider, thought we were past you no waving weekenders
Not sure I understand Karl? I can assure you I wave at everyone and I don't just ride at weekends...mind you I don't just ride a BMW either! Thanks for watching, all the best - TMF
It's an adventure bike.... it's not meant to be clean!! :)
Mine is!
I recommend the BMW offroad course in Wales. I did it a few years ago and it does wonders for your confidence on these tall bikes. 1st thing they teach is getting on and off without the side stand. I did it and Im only a 5'8 shortarse. I dont ride off road but the techniques for riding and bike control are very helpful, plus you dont drop your bike at the first sign of gravel. You also get to drop their bikes not your own. you soon get used to picking them up.
Sounds good to me!
iain macdonald I'm booked in with the BMW Off Road School in Sept 2017. I think these bikes should be handed over from new, laying on their side in the collection bay at BMW. haha
Get rid of it mate get an Africa twin
+Martin Botterill Nooooo (not that there's anything wrong with the AT, just love my GS)
Number 1, the gearbox number 2 the gearbox, number 3 the gearbox......... You get the idea.
I love the 1200gs but the gearbox is worse than a tractor in low gears.
Yes it sure is clunky but to be fair I rarely miss a gear or have trouble shifting on the GS, on bikes I've had in the past (I'm thinking Triumph Tiger here) the box sounded smoother but I was always getting false neutrals or struggling to get into second....
If you are going to rate a bike you should ride it as it as it is supposed to be ridden. The GS is at it's best where you are not riding in this video, it is a GS for Petes sake. Maybe go some place on the thing before you give advice
Well it's not really advice Tim, it's just my opinion and no one can argue with that! Thanks for watching, all the best - TMF
@@TheMissendenFlyer Very humble response. I agree with you; folks generally watch many reviews of the bike they are interested in and probably gravitate to the ones that mimic their own circumstances and riding style. You made it clear that you don't off-road with the GS.
Finally a video not about how much you love the GS! I'm with you on its annoying weight, gearbox, cost and speedometer. This bike is a beast and you'll be reminded when you try to manhandle it. Manufacturers have gone too far down the "bigger is better" route for the adventure-touring segment. The gearbox feels like it belongs on a tractor. I don't have the Gear Shift Assist and every shift requires a solid kick on the lever and is accompanied by a solid clunk. And that illegible speedometer has no excuse to be on any modern bike. The industry standard has long been a large analog tachometer and a digital speedometer. Finally, the cost of the buying and maintaining the bike is very substantial. BMW dealerships seem to assume that anyone who can afford a GS can afford to be boned. Thankfully the boxer engine is quite frugal at legal speeds, saving you some money for the yearly gouging.
+James L Despite all that James (and we concur on all these points) I still love the bike! ...as the Americans would say "go figure"! Thanks for taking the time to comment, all the best - TMF
TheMissendenFlyer Thanks for your response. Despite its shortcomings, the GS is a great bike. I recently took it on a month-long trip and went through all kinds of conditions: scorching sun, freezing rain, high altitudes, bad roads... I wouldn't want to be on any other bike! Enjoy your ride and keep the great videos coming!
None of those reasons would stop me from buying one 🤔
No, didn't me either, I love my GS more and more every time I ride it!
No no no, the very worst thing about the GS - and many of BMW's luxo-barges - is that you need to have the legs of a 6ft 5" man, and the torso of a 5ft 5" man. This is so you can make easy contact with terra firma, and also have your head low enough to keep out of the screen's directly-aimed-at-your-head wind blast. Even with the screen extender, it's major head and ear buffeting time.
The second worst thing about the GS is BMW's insistence on maintaining a fucking air-cooled engine in this day and age. They invite us to coo in praise because they've water-cooled the heads. Pah.
The third worst thing about the GS is the fact BMW are still making bleeding two-cylinder bikes, while charging six-cylinder car prices! Sorry, 600cc pots are too big, and there are too few of them. The result is that you cannot use the engine below 3000rpm because of snatchy juddering power delivery. So, the myth of the 'low-end torque' of the big twin is just that - a myth. Neither can these big mills rev very high - and so the reality is that you can use the engine between about 3000 and 8000rpm - which is a 5000rpm rev range. The damn flat twins sound like an asthmatic combine harvester at top revs though, so you're more likely to run 3k to about 6k max .... a comfortable-to-use 3000rpm rev range. That's a narrower rev range than a modern two-stroke.
Be aware, be forewarned that the big Beemer flat-twins are nothing special. They are also too wide for single-tracking.
Marvellous front suspenders though. Car-like precision of steering.
hahahaha your dutch steryotype is actualy quite true.. i am dutch and i am the shortest of my friends.... i am 1.92 meters
+Nishant Moenesar it wasn't a stereotype I was being factual! :0) Well Wikipedia said the Dutch are the tallest nation on average so it must be a fact.....
+TheMissendenFlyer that is true.. i love the way you interact whit your viewers its realy nice to see that you actualy care about what we have to say.. keep it up !
+TheMissendenFlyer Hi Missen, I've loved your videos and have just picked up my new red 1200GS with factory lowered suspension. In the lowered seat position with a standard seat, it has a seat height of 820mm. I also had the lowered seat which takes it down below 800mm. You can buy the lowered Touratech Shocks or trade yours in. I just sold a an 800GS which here in Australia, mostly we go offroad. Mate, you are missending out on what the GS is good at. Come and visit over here in OZ. Cheers - Does the name Flyer suggest you're a pilot??
+Mark Vane-Tempest Thanks Mark - and yes, I am indeed a pilot (I have some videos on my channel if you fancy a look).....
Nishant Moenesar Is it true the tallest hill in the Netherlands is a person?
I'm still not sure if this video is made in a humorous way, or what you say in it you mean it. All the complaints seem meaningless to me, except perhaps that of the speedometer. What I find most shocking is that you have spent 18000 quids to find out that you hate the price of the bike.
Well you've no choice but to pay it if you want one! To be fair they've not gone up much in the 10 years since I bought mine!
Beautiful women.. a weakness for sure! :)
+Rob Coppens Sadly so, I'm a huge fan of 'em......
Will only bring you tears and ruin , stick to the motorbikes, just my advice, I am not bitter honest 😁
I have had my 2018 GS triple black for 3 weeks now and thought that the clunky gearbox was just my bad riding, I agree the riding modes make no difference at all, whats that rear seat about!!. All you need is the Thatcham alarm, I have to creep around the bike in my carpet slippers and camouflage to stop it constantly going off.That said I'm still staring at the bike with adoration.
I love the engine noise! ☺
You complain about the weight and height of the GS and yet you go and buy on, Smart Boy!
Well it wasn't a deal breaker as the bike is so good in other respects - the good points far outweigh any negative ones in my opinion, a great bike. Thanks for watching and commenting - TMF
Whine much?
Very disappointing after having enjoyed so many of your other vids..
"Hate" is a very strong word to use.None of these conditions occurred after the test ride. They were all preexisting before you coughed up the purchase price which I assume you did of your on volition.
By the way.
Have you the dynamometer print outs to show the power claims which you mentioned relating to the power loss/gains of the end can switch ?
Just busting you chops here.
Keep up the good work.
+atdrs hehe ;0)
I think you made good points, especially regarding exhausts, without the figures it is just pointless. Ideally dismiss this with a hehe ;0)
Actually I just put the stock exhaust back on - a little quieter and I can notice no difference in performance...it's staying on!
+TheMissendenFlyer A few years ago I put a Staintune full system on a cam-head RT.I felt that it was stronger at the very top RPM but softened the mid range a bit. Now this was with highly calibrated Butt- Dino only.
Probably was faster due to the lighter wallet though. On a 2015RT now. Loving the wet clutch but not the more compact cockpit .
And by the way. If you were a normal height like my 6 foot 5 then the GS is a perfect fit.
Had a factory lowered GSA for about 3 months but went back to the RT . Still think about the GS every once in awhile.
Thank you again for the vids. Ride safe.
Cheers atdrs, you too bud....
The only thing I truly hate on my GS is the tank range. The tank IMO is a little too small for a serious touring bike, which is why my next GS will be a GSA. Other than that after 30 plus years riding I've pretty much found my perfect bike.
question is, why did you spend so much money for a bike that you hate so much?
+GETREAL! Well as I said in the video, clearly I don't hate the bike at all, I love it!
Did you even watch the video? I think not.
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Agree with them all. I have moved the GPS over to the left and squeezed a Zumo 550 on the rail which I have the speed up on. Also brought the button mount from BMW for the nav 5 so I can use it on my ZZR1400. Works quite well.
+Steve Kennett Cheers Steve - glad we concur! All the best - TMF
I own a '15 K50 R1200GS. I'm 6'2", so the bike fits my height perfectly. I've put almost 10k miles on it in the last 5 months that I've owned it, and his non-size related gripes are totally accurate. It is indeed the hardest bike to clean. The speedometer loves to pick up sunlight and reflect it and totally blocks the needle, but the digital speedometer readout is better to notice. The sound is very subjective, but I like it and the uniqueness it has as one of the only flat twin series out there (minus the Ural). The bike is fantastic, and these gripes are well thought out and accurate.
Sir, You are right on the problem of the UNREADABLE SPEEDOMETER, I have a GS like You and I left the GPS installed all the day only for to know at which speed I'm going.... I will place a pair of bright coloured adhesives on the sides of the speedometer to sign the 50km/h and the 90 km/h. (italian speed limits city/extra city) currently without the GPS I'm travelling around completely not aware of which speed I'm going....
+Graziano Marcat ...yes it's a bit rubbish isn't it - a couple of stickers should help (works for me!) - Thanks for stopping by, all the best - TMF
I have a 2016 R1200RS and I can see what you mean regarding keeping the bike clean and the speedometer. Aside from that 2 different beasts and it sounds like you might like the RS better, especially since you don't off-road with the GS.
+Grumpy Goat Yes I must get a ride on one of those - I have to say I actually prefer the off-roadie looks of the GS over the RS though.....
+TheMissendenFlyer Just be careful when you do go for a test ride of the RS ... you will be very tempted to add to yuor stable! When I was in the market I was fixed on teh S1000XR but the vibrations and the higher-strung nature of the motor turned me off. Then I rode the RS and the rest is history. The RS and GS might share an engine but that is where the similarities end ... aside from the propensity to get instantly dirty at the slightest drizzle and the hard-to-read speedo.
I have a 2005 1200GS non adventure model, with the oil cooled cylinders, it’s a great bike, for me as I’ve long legs and a short body. The older model has a lovely noise at full chat, like a cruising Lancaster Bomber👍
I have a 2009 gs adventure and I'm sorry to say that I agree with all 10 points 😞
+Carl Smith Still a fabulous machine though eh? A hundred good points....
Yes, at 5'6 and 43 years of age, all of the weight, height and sight issues are all very relevant. In saying that, after coming off Kawasaki ZZR1100's, Porsche turbos and the like, speed, adrenalin and the risks with your life and everyone else's aren't worth it. Bring on safe, boring and enjoyable risk free fun!! Love my GS more than all those many super fast machines I've owned combined cos the BM doesn't inspire you to take unnecessary risks.
Love your honest reviews!
Chris from Australia
Thank you Chris - and cheers for stopping by...all the best - TMF
#4, the gearbox. Yeah, I get that. I ride a 2000 R1100RT and it was my first BMW. The transmission was the first thing that I noticed in a bad way. It shifts like a truck - it's clunky and I quickly learned to preload the shifter before upshifts. The other problem is gear noise. I went from 75W-90 to 75W-140 Amsoil and the gear howl went away. It also helped shifting a little.
Despite that I love the bike. I've been riding it since 2007 and she'll probably be my last bike (I'm 62 and the knees are showing wear).
Re seat height, there is a low seat version, as mentioned in the video.
Definitely worth test riding one (with the low suspension / seat) if you feel standard seat is too high.
Try before you buy ... etc.
+Jules Dive Actually I did try a low seat version before I bought, but the salesman convinced me I didn't need it! Oh well.....
I've had an '05 R1200GS for about ten years. I ride many bikes, new and old, and always come back to the big GS as favorite. Nothing else has the feeling of balance entering and through the corners. I've tried to decipher why. Partially the unique Paralever and Telelever suspensions that reduce dive and squat, working well with the long travel, well damped spring compliance, and the wide bars and low, wide engine, like the pole a tightrope walker carries, giving longer polar moment in roll. The cushy but controlled ride gives great feel for what's happening at the tire contact patch, something we bikers must live by or die even sooner ;-) And the mild dirt-bike steering geometry gives the GS quick steering response at normal road speeds, where sport bikes are race horses in living rooms, stiff and awkward, really meant for over 100...way over. The big GS is a mega-Supermoto on tight twisties, and will kill typical sportbikes there. The compliance is the reward for the ride height. The RT models do not have the same stuck to the road feel as the 1200GS, and the lower, stiffer suspension on Rt's is one reason why, along with more weight. Bravo GS! Ride one a long way, quickly, and you will learn, too. +TheMissendenFlyer, I enjoyed your video, and agree with most points, from flat exhaust note (better with Remus, I say), to clunky gearbox, to cost, and it ain't no dirt bike, too big n heavy, but knobby tires help. But I don't share the cleaning worries. I'm with the adventure guys, just hose and sponge it and hit the long road in the pouring rain. Case in point: no chrome. Thank you, and cheers!
Thanks for the long post Randy, seems like we’re in agreement (except for the cleaning!)...all the best - TMF
See you at Isle of Man? Mayyyybe, haha
I have a 2013 GS which I bought as a demonstrator and it cam with a BMW Akra end can and the std can came in a box. The sound was certainly a little deeper note but not enough to have made me pay to put the Akro end can. However I was advised by the AKRA manufacture to fit the matching pair of down pipes to match their end can and that it opened up the full release of some extra hp and being a bigger bore, the down pipes really add a significant noise improvement. So I ordered them. Very easy to fit and the difference in note and power is noticed immediately. Some have said the extra deep note makes long riding tiring, but I’m fine with it. Re you complaints, this gearbox is 100 time better than the agricultural thing that they used in my early GS. that was definitely clunky but in time I learned to time gear changes and tbh I hardly noticed the. However on my 2013 GS the box is like night and day especially when you’ve learned when to snick up or down at the optimum time. I’m not saying the box is perfect but with a small amount of practice you can change so smooth you barley not. I guess the height issue is self explanatory. The bike is classiadventure bike meaning it’s capable of light off road riding. That means longer suspension travel as a result your going to need a bit more ground clearance and a bash pla some wooden blocks to the bte, therefore a little more ride height/ground clearance is needed. A banana to the first person who can work out why adventure bike have a slightly higher ground, clearance which in turn make the seat height a little higher. The bike has a simple seat :height adjustment under the seat at the base of the tank [no tools needed] if that not low enough BMW supply an extra low seat. Either way there is a way to resolve short legs. Failing that just nail
I agree re "agricultural" gearbox. Its heavy and probably over engineered - but in the long run, that could be good for reliability... Going into first, always generates a loud clunk.
1st to 2nd is another loud tractor-like clunk - I also have quick shift fitted, but i don't use it for 1st to 2nd change as its too brutal.
On the way back down the box, the quick shifter does a very good job, blipping the throttle superbly every time as it goes through neutral... on the way down from 2nd to 1st.
+Jules Dive Completely agree Jules, your experience directly relates to how I find the BMW gear box and shifter - thanks for stopping by, all the best - TMF
Cleaning: I know using a pressure wash is discouraged but I think with a shaft-driven machine, it should be ok if you stand back a bit. I spray mine with some of that pink goo from Halfords, wait a minute and jet it off and no snags so far.
I've had two GS's in the past, 1100 and 1150, put over 50,000 miles on both of them, I guess I liked them, and that was before Ewan and Charlie did their bit.
I'm currently riding a BMW R1200R Lc, 2015 model, I absolutely love it. I've ridden the latest GS and GSA but the same engine in the R seems even torquier and the
BMW shift assist pro works brilliantly on this model too.
The R is also considerable lower to the ground, so it carries it's weight much lower. You should get a ride on one of these if you get the chance,
I think you'd be surprised how much fun it is, the handling is exceptional as are the brakes. It's higher geared I believe than the gs models and covers the ground extremely
effectively, even short shifting and using the torque it's a surprisingly rapid.
Re the highly reflective instruments on the GS I honestly believe BMW should recall all models afflicted and retrofit a less reflective cover for the speedo etc at no cost to
the bikes owners, it's a safety issue as far as I'm concerned.
Always enjoy your videos, although perhaps the word hate is a touch strong, lol, though I do agree with most of your comments.
cheers
Ride safe
tony
+antonoat Thanks Tony - Yes the word "hate" was really only used to get peoples attention - "10 minor niggles I had trouble thinking of" may not have got so many viewers! Glad we concur on the main points, and yes it's surprising how different the same engine in different clothes can feel isn't it - I noticed that when I rode the RT, completely different character to the GS yet the guts of the things are probably 80% the same....
I have a 2016 gsa, and I have to agree with you for the most part except for numbers 6 (riding modes are quite distinguishable on my bike, of course, I take mine off-road), 5 (apparently I have a different seat), great video, keep them coming.
+Nocturnal Swing Thank you sir - glad we concur on most points and thanks for the kind words...all the best - TMF
What's the service interval for the GS? And how much do these cost?
Cheers. Nice ride through High Wycombe and you have just put me off buying one! Was going to order next week.
Hehe, they are fabulous machines - check out my long term reviews or "10 things I love" videos for an alternative view!
I would rather use the description of quirks, but it is nice to know I am not alone in identifying most of these as you have. I am 6' 4" but have not gotten use to the stance at a stop. Ridden so many bikes for so many years but this is my first BMW R1200 GS (used 2005). Had it for about a month now and haven't gotten it clean yet. It is a dirt magnet and the previous (original) owner wore the dirt as a badge of accomplishment. Can't wait to mount the GPS that the seller is still looking for in his stash of accessories he promised me. It definitely is different and in South Florida it is quite the rare bike. Many comments from admirers.
Hey Wally - good choice of machine! I have to admit the using dirt as a badge of honour thing I don't get, give me a clean bike any day (when I go off-road the first thing I do when I get home is clean the bike!). But then I do have a touch of clean-bike OCD :0) Cheers for watching, all the best from a grey and miserable blighty....
Mr. Flyer- I've reviewed this 2016 video since buying a 1250GS, and I believe that most of your 10 things to hate about the 1200GS have been addressed by the new bike. Still remaining: 1) Cleaning will not be any easier 2) It's still a heavy bike, but my lowered-frame model takes care of the height 3) The cost is even higher 4) Your worries about the "image" of GS typical GS owners would remain, but personally I am not bothered by what people with narrow outlooks might think of me. Besides, my wife wanted us to buy the new bike!
Wow, can I have your wife?!
Such a gem I reckon I will keep!
1:05 it just sort of farts it’s way along, really :-)) That’s why I ride a Triumph Tiger 800 - maybe not the best top-class adventure bike, although it is a very capable machine off-road, but the engine is THE masterpiece on that bike, especially with an aftermarket exhaust like the GPR Furore (so beautiful). I can ride that Tiger 800 for several hundreds of miles per day and not be tired, the sound of the engine is just music to my years. I forgive her all her possible shortcomings because of the engine...
The fact that the blonde didn't even look at the bike speaks volumes about its looks.
Very interesting, indeed. And most amusing (in the best sense). As a BMW motorcycle aficionado and owner / rider, I just wanted to comment on a couple of things you mentioned in your video. The sound of the engine depends where you are situated. If you are the rider it sounds like a cross between a lawn mower and an electric sewing machine. But if you are on foot and the bike passes by, the sound is fantastic.Boxer gearboxes have always been clunky. My first bike was an R45 (same engine sound, and heavy for something under 500cc), and it took me a long time to get used the gears. Shaft drive, too, means you must not stop at traffic lights, or anywhere else still in top. You will never be able to change down to first without rolling the bike forwards a little as you press the gear pedal. I could go on. Now have a K100RS 16v. Quite, quite different, but still bloody heavy.
Pretty damn spot on mate. I owned this exact model for two years, but I didn't get rid of it for any of these reasons. I sold it because It was unreliable. Had numerous problems with the electronics, had it towed twice. There were also several recall items that BMW didn't even notify me about. It had a 1st gear stalling issue.
Other than that I did like the bike, but in the end was too afraid to ride it in fear It would break down again.
My goodness, sounds like you may have had a Friday afternoon machine - mine has (so far, touch wood) proven very reliable, I love it! Out of interest what did you replace it with??
Good to hear mate. I sold the beemer with one month left on the warranty, but lost out almost 10k on the re-sale, would have been more if I sold it for the pittance the dealership was offering. Replaced it with a 15' 1290 sdr. Yeah, I'm full of bad ideas lol.
Man I don't like the sound of a 10K loss on resale.....is that UK £'s?? The SDR is quite a change from a GS!!
Oh nah, that's in Aud. About 6,000 pounds. Definitely would have got more for it from a private sale, but I didn't want to headache of potential idiots riding it and thieves looking to steal it or my other bike lol.
Got ya - makes sense.....
Hi TheMissendenFlyer. Another informative video that helped me a lot. Especially *the riding modes part* because I am saving up to by a BMW. I've own the older BMW's but today's high tech. bikes are strangers to me
*Question:* Should I buy a BMW F800 GS/GSA or that BMW R Nine T?
My facts:
- I am over 50
- I'm 5' 10" (inseam 30")
- I will commute to work on paved roads (not sure of the condition as I am moving to a new area)
- The place I'm moving to is Asheville, North Carolina, will ride in that climate
Thanks sir.
Well I can't really answer that for you - you'd have to ride them both. I'd personally take the standard R9T over the F800 just because the R9T is a cool bike and the F800 is a bit, well, bland. But from a purely practical level the F800 would make an excellent commuter and is probably the better "day to day" bike. If it was a Sunday blast only then R9T, for commuting - F800 - but as I say, best check 'em both out and see what you think. BMW's are great bikes these days, you can't go far wrong with any of them. All the best - TMF
Thanks TheMissendenFlyer! Actually you helped me quite a bit. I will get the F800 GSA to at least have an exciting name on the bike.
You said the right word to me - *practical.*
Before I asked you just now the young man in me was saying R Nine T but the wise man said F800. I needed a neutral party that was younger than I ; ) You mirrored what I was thinking in my heart.
Anyway, thanks again. Stay safe.
I'm sure you won't go wrong with the F800 and it'll just work....cheers - TMF
My two cents, if you haven't bought the bike yet. Definitely ride both. I'm 6'0" with 33" inseam. The F800GS is a VERY tall bike. It is taller than the standard R12GS, and way down on power. I have been fortunate enough to ride most BMW models for several days (or weeks) each, and own four. Sorry to say the F800GS was my least favorite. Mind you, if you'll be riding in the dirt a lot, go for it. Otherwise, why not also consider the R1200R. Full 1200cc of power; lighter than the R12GS; barely heavier than the R90T, but with 15hp better water-cooled engine, and yes you can really feel the difference. It is also an almost upright very comfortable position, extremely nimble and maybe the easiest to ride full-sized bike I've ever been on. R90T is very cool, but the R1200R is the much better all-around bike. Throw a windscreen and bags on it, and you can even go touring ;) Good luck!
Nice comment tibor t. I'll think about that I owned years ago a BMW R1150R and loved it. But at the 5,000 miles service the mechanic had a rookie helping or maybe doing the whole service. And they mess up the bike. The R1150R would stall at traffic lights and not start until about 2 minutes of try to turn it over. Very dangerous in traffic! I returned the bike for free warranty repair 5 or 6 times. no good. Traded it in on another bike at a loss.
I do like the simplicity of the R Nine T but now distrust boxers a little even though I know it was those past mechanic that was the real problem that messed my old bike up.
Still you have a very good point tibor t. As TheMissendenFlyer said, I better ride them both and see.
You pretty much Nailed It. I've had mine for 1 year now. I would add the Wind Screen, ineffective and too much wind noise. I see you have added a thingy to yours so maybe you forgot how bad it used to be. In fact, since I agree with you on the other complaints (perhaps not the order) I'm inclined to trust your judgement and possibly research what you have added to your screen. PS I'm 5' 10" with a 31.5 inch inseam.... I tiptoe my GS, I wish the dealer had not talked me out of getting the lowered version, the slightest bit of gravel, bump or uphill and I can't push the bike while seated. Sooner or later I am going to have to put a foot down on an off camber or a downside hill and I will surely fall over. Anybody who says, "Just pick a spot to stop where you can put your foot on something" has not accumulated much dirt time.
Hi Don, glad we concur! That windscreen fixes the turbulence problem - checkout my videos on MRA Varioscreen for all the details! Cheers and thanks for stopping by - TMF
I added a Laminar Lip to mine which helps a bit with wind noise.
The 2014 doesnt have a digital display of the speed. only that year didn' get it in the software. and never will apparently. 2013 and 2015 onwards got it. i didn't realise otherwise i would have waited for later model. All the other things are no problem. its quite easy to service actually. mine does not have to mph kmh split. based on market i think. so its easy to read
Servicing charges: I find the boxer engine really easy to work on, having the valve assembly so easily accessible means even valve checks/adjustments are a doddle. I have an '07 model and that that has the screw/locknut valve adjusters. This engine layout should mean that once the warranty is out and you have it serviced at an independent I'd expect the servicing charges to be much less than any other bike with a similar capacity. These bikes are just so easy to work on, the only special tool you need is a GS-911 which are worth their weight in gold.
+DervMan Yes now she is out of warranty I will be going independent on the ol girl....
At 6'4" I love the height. I bought the GSA for the height. Got the tallest suspension mode and highest seat and it fits like a glove. My pet hate is the turbulence from the screen. Haven't yet found a combination of aftermarket screens and spoilers that works for me above 65mph but working on it. Also, for me the weight makes it feel solid, planted and the size gives it real presence on the road - downside of the height and width is filtering is a pain, especially van wing mirrors. Great vlogs, keep it up.
+Tim Lowe Thanks Tim - you're a lucky man (or should I say giant!)....all the best - TMF
My 2006 Rotax 650 is doing well and great for 400km trips I took commuting this summer to claims. Bit daunting if any of these newer bmw stop unlike a good BSA single.
I just bought a 2018. I have to say I have no hate and tons of love. I do agree with the price being a bit much - and add-on pricing is pretty crazy. That said - love the bike...and dont mind it getting dirty.
Yes they are fabulous aren't they - love mine....
And # zero on that list is that i'm faithful to my v-strom.
Fair enough!
I'm a Harley person, But I got a 10 Reg GSa last year and love it too bits. At 5Ft 10In the bike fit me well. Been riding for nearly 16 years now and at 64 years old. I thought you like the bike. Also get an after market dealer too look after the thing then you don't pay main dealer price's.
+Colin Moss Cheers Colin - and yes I do love the bike, I could list a hundred things in the like video :0)
the speedo thing must be annoying, however I found this with my GS Adventure speedo it was a bit small which I had for two years, not a problem to me once I went back to specsavers and got some varifocals!!. We are all different and I have to wear my specs now all the time otherwise I would not see the numbers at all......just my thoughts and not suggesting your eyes not upto the job, thanks for the great video once again.
I think you're right Chris, my eyes definitely aren't up to the job - I've worn glasses/contacts since the age of 12 and alas I think the time for varifocals may be approaching (or even half focals).....!