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I so adore the owl house, easily one of Disney Channel's best shows during the first half of the 2020's!!! Even if it ended shortly in season 3, it earned that title of having an amazing finale 🥲🥲🥲💜🏳🌈🏳⚧
Fun Facts: The Owl House was inspired after working on Gravity Falls And Gravity Falls was inspired after working on The Marvelous Misadventures of Flapjack (as well as both Adventure Time and Regular Show).
The Marvelous Misadventures of Flapjack made such a huge impact in the world of animation that the show made a cameo in Fionna and Cake as part of The Adventure Time Multiverse.
I will say that Belos works as an antagonist on a meta level to the series. Every character changes and grows, he stagnates. Every character displays a facet of humanity, he, one of the few humans, shows none. This world has depth, he is shallow. And as people become more honest and reaches their true potential, he hides behinds lies and falls short of what he could be. This is a world driven by imagination, welcomes anyone, and has something great to offer, but he is dogmatic, hateful, and cruel. He exists to be the bad guy on every level. Yeah, it's a bit of a dead horse to beat at this stage, but the Owl House comes across as such a wonderful series, set in a fantastic world, that it makes sense for the villain to be someone who is the direct antithesis of all that. That's probably why we root for his defeat, so we can get back to the characters full of life to have fun again. Plus, it's also refreshing to have a villain is just a straight up vile person, kind of like Jack Horner, but not as entertaining. But a lot of this might have been in part due to a rushed production, as Disney's executives weren't kind to it.
No, you're right, I think you hit the nail on the head with that analysis. Out of everything you could reasonably criticize about the owl house it seems weird to rag on the main villain for not being sympathetic when that's sorta the point to him. Every other antagonist could change and take criticism and accountability. Lilith, amity, hunter, and the collector were meant to evolve. Belos was the big bad because he couldn't accept that he was wrong. Everyone else made mistakes and attoned for them because they could get out of their own fantasy world just like Luz had to learn in the beginning. But up to the end where belos had become an inhuman monster in every sense of the word he was still trapped in his hero complex fantasy. He murdered so many people for nothing and still believed he was some great human hero fighting against "the evil witches" just because he didn't like that his brother got a witch girlfriend.
Yeah! He's a foil for Luz on every level, and as shallow as he seems, he still has plenty of depth, it's just not touched on much. Which I think is all the better, because waaaay too many irredeemable characters lose that edge when their Tragic Past is focused on too much. Plus he's chilling as hell and that makes him fun to watch.
There's a line by Eda that's easily one of my favorite quotes from anything. "Everyone wants to believe they're chosen,but if we all waited around for a prophecy to make us special, we'd die waiting. That's why you need to choose yourself."
so that's why Eda and Amity are the GOAT of the show, they never lost their essence, they grow against all the odds and internal pain, and now both are better versions
Season 3 ALMOST didn't happen *at all*, and that shows how much Disney's execs tried to tear this down, and how much the people who worked on it truly cared about what they were doing. It's not perfect, but it's still the best Disney original series since Gravity Falls.
the worst part is if they were given the time they wanted, they most likely would have shown us belos' past and how he went from adoring little brother to a theocratic murderer
Yeah, that wasn't going to work. "Star vs. the Forces of Evil" was given FOUR SEASONS and "Gravity Falls" with only two seasons told a rounded and satisfying story despite everything. And if a cognitively delayed Magic Princess isn't enough, she considers the FIVE SEASONS of "Steven Universe," its movie and its Epilogue Mini-Series.
@@Hilario-von-Fledermausburg1973 gravity falls was planned with 2 season from what i recall. it could finish how it wanted because they had the time they asked for. this one had a plan for one more season and then disney changed their mind so they had to cut some stuff out.
First of all, it was noted from Bill Chiper's debut that it was not the original idea for him to be the final Villain. Anyone who watches that episode a couple of years later (older in age) can tell by how he behaves and talks about the "Prophecy". Perhaps Hirsch's idea was to have more episodes parodying North American mythology, but since he saw that his wings were going to be clipped or he realized that a good plot could not be maintained with that, he compacted everything and the series was able to tell a pretty story. good with a good ending. And let's be real: all series creators had to be aware of Disney's plans with their series. They weren't 5 year olds. All those series did not fail due to lack of time, they failed because the scripts were DISGUSTING, the direction was worse and to top it all off they made those from the project open their mouths on Social Networks to generate more discussions to increase interest. And whether they had been a success or not, it wouldn't matter. Those who are going to lose the money are those who worked on the project as creatives (directors, scriptwriters, etc.) and those of lower rank. The executives keep their earnings without almost a single change and by the time "the ship starts to sink" (the company goes to a loss), they will already be in another company doing the same thing or retired. The only ones negatively affected are those at the bottom, who continue to believe that the industry is in chaos or full of higher-ups who only think about money. When these decisions are calculated to put the Scapegoats (those who "only think about money") as the culprits, while everything remains the same and people continue to complain in the wrong place without generating ANY change.
That I don't matter at all, because they do not even 3% of ANYTHING with that revelation. And seriously, the Palismans are basically magical scepters that can be used as aerial transportation, why does it only have one power and people don't throw rocks at those writers' house?
I actually like belos as the villain, the problem was that he was supposed to be way more fleshed out but the third season was cut down to 3 specials so they didn't have time to get into his whole backstory with his brother and his brothers wife (we only got hints).
@@zacheryschmidt2611 Look the man's a walking embodiment of 17th century imperialism. I don't think Belos needed a twist to become more empathetic but season 3 did as much as it could to infer his backstory.
@@zacheryschmidt2611yeah because he was a Puritan witch hunter, they couldn't go to into it because Disney didn't want to tick off the Bible thumpers but basically belos equates the demon realm to hell. That's why he is trying to destroy it
Okay, love how Doug loves Amity, she's definitely one of if not the best character in this. And while I get why he doesn't like Belos, but at the same time, he's a little more than just an Ozai type of person who isn't evil for just the sake of it. Sure, if we never knew his backstory and was just a generic Emperor, than ya I'd agree about him being bland. But unlike Ozai who was just a power hungry dictator, Belos has a few layors to his character. Firstly, you need to understand the time period he came from. Phillip grew up in the time were humans saw witchcraft as nothing but pure evil, work of the devil, and anyone who practiced it or was accused of it would be executed. Look at the villians background for ParaNorman for example, or even something based on history like the Salem Witch Trails. Obviously those people in the end were wrong and delusional. But for Philip to have not just lived but grown up in that time in history, you can see how he became the villian. Especially considering the fact on how he kept himself alive for hundreds of years, making him insane. Maybe if the show wasn't cut and we got a flashback episode involving Caleb or something, maybe that could've added to his layors even more.
I thought the fact he kept cloning and killing his dead brother who he killed over and over added layers. It just didn't make him a good person. But think about it, it suggests he regrets killing Caleb but wants a version of his brother he can control. But also kinda takes pleasure in hurting the person who he sees as the one who chooses the witches over him again and again. It adds a little extra to his character and gives insight into this deeply twisted way he thinks and that mix of love nd hate where hate always wins.
Surprised Doug never even hinted at the grimwalker thing. That was such a creative and messed up concept (especially for a kids show) and it brought so much more intrigue to Belos’ character. That’s the element that personally for me elevated him from generic but effective villain to truly despicable but compelling antagonist.
To me Belos was fascinating moreso from an allegorical level and how the narrative contrasts his goals and intentions with the heroic characters. The kind of character that effectively resides over the whole of the narrative and shapes the entire setting just by existing, the Wizard of Oz of Luz’s Dorothy. Feel like a lot of that is moreso NC (reasonably) being miffed at how much of Belos’s backstory wasn’t shown outside of the portraits in his head. When watching this series with my cousin he *guessed* his plan and I had a completely different theory. The fact that he pity parties himself before the rug pull is definitely a difference from say, Ozai, who was very outwardly abusive to Zuko, while Belos doing as much as he did to hide his intentions was part of what I found interesting. The extent of his sinisterness is the kind of thing you’re shocked Disney can get away with. It’s kind of surprising since as I’m aware NC really likes Frollo from Hunchback, a very similar character to Belos but without the mystery element to it. If anything, Belos for me is a clear instance of a pure evil villain being interesting based on the context, prescience and mystery around them moreso than arguing a moral dilemma of their actions.
I feel like the thing with Belos is more that he had SOME redeeming qualities like a desire to help people fight what he thought was evil and love for his brother. But he subverts both of them with hatred. It's a message that's hard to take that if we can't look to others with an open heart and think "Maybe I'm wrong" we can go from not just doing the wrong thing but not having any of our initial good qualities. Belos has hundreds of years to learn to find goodness in witches, and that they aren't all evil but his hate pushes him so far he hypocritically went after the only other human he met too. To the end, he's sure that Luz is as bad as THOSE WITCHES. He's basically Frollo level of hypocrisy, he's definitely a better fleshed out villain than Ozai. The fact that there are still truly evil villains in this series is probably a major point in its favor. I love Steven Universe, but they redeemed many characters that seemed to have nothing good in them. Here, if a character is redeemed, you have a small feeling it could happen early on. Take Lilith for example. Sure, she's shifty working for who we're correctly assuming is the main villain, but she clearly is concerned for her sister. You get that she's not all bad, so her redemption works.
@michaelgualtieri7945 My main problem with Belos is that they dance around actually calling him a Christian. They call him a "with hunter" and have him call them evil, but he never explains why. So his character just feels awkward and unfulfilled. They should have had him quote scripture, (and twist it to _his_ needs) and threaten to burn them "In the name of God!" And it's not like Disney would have a problem with it, I mean, they gave us this! ruclips.net/video/U3NoDEu7kpg/видео.html
I think belos being straight up a irredeemable monster is what works for him. He was a kid raised during the witch trial eras and back then a lot of adults were monsters to other humans like themselves just because of the label of being a witch. They brainwashed their kids to to thinking how they did and Belos has been stuck in that mindset his whole life especially since he never left the aisles after a certain point in his young life leading him to not revolve with the rest of the world on earth to just phase out of it and move on, he’s still stuck in the old ways and no one can change his mindset. He is the hero in his mind, he even offers Luz a chance to go home with him surfing the draining spell saying he doesn’t want to see another human corrupted by the people of the aisles. He is a monster and irredeemable villain yes but he also is a hero in his head, that’s what I think makes him interesting. In a way he reminds me of Frolo from Hunchback, a man of high power who lets these bad thoughts in his head and will go to extreme inhumane lengths to get what he wants and sees himself as just and right.
@@dragonstouch1042 we definitely were but because of the cancelation during early season 2 they didn’t have time to, that’s why in the episode they go into belos mindscape you can see through out it in the background portraits that subtly tell the story of his origin more fleshed out
Titan literally says that he is just an asshole who wants to jerk off his ego. There’s nothing complex about that. It’s destroys entire message of the show
We were robbed, absolutely robbed of a full and proper season 3. 3 of the voice actors (Luz, Lillith and Raine) attended New York Comic Con and they were so awesome and so open about how the show was important to them. The lore was fascinating and the characters well written. Really wanted more. .
Doug, you've literally asked for villains like this. Belos isn't boring, he's more imposing and intimidating not to mention cruel and self-grateful. He thinks he's the hero when really he's the villain of the story. But on top of all of that... he's a very realistic villain, a villain who could actually exist today, minus the magic powers. Of course he doesn't have a shred of humanity in him. He isn't just a villain, he is a MONSTER, a monster who gave up his humanity when he killed his own brother and tried to commit genocide on an entire race of people whose only crimes were they weren't human and used magic which was considered blasphemy to Puritans.
i can understand Doug in some way, Belos is cool, is a fucking monster, but the crew didn't tell us the horrible things he did, or at least they told us but in hidden frames and that was a bad creative decision, but is understandable it's a TV-Y7 show
This show basically cemented my distain towards Disney as a company Not because the show sucked, but how it was treated. There was no reason it had to be cancelled, and no one can give me a good explanation why
Disney didn't realize it was popular until after they canceled it basically. The way they measured it's popularity ignored a lot of different factors. They only realized after they brought down the hammer and people started to complain.
Yeah, I think I can give you a reason why. Most Disney Channel shows/cartoons only last for a few pair of seasons. You can check all of the Disney animated shows and you can notice how short their lifespan is. In fact, most cartoons are made with the expectation to only last like two seasons. It´s not Disney cancelling the show unfairly, it´s just industry standards.
I absolutely love this series. So much wild and creepy imagery, lovable and well fleshed out characters, incredibly animated fight scenes, and one of the best lgbt romances I've ever seen. And while I agree Belos could've been fleshed out more, I feel he's still a very affective villain. It sucks that Disney screwed the show over so bad, but you can tell Dana Terrace and her team did everything they could to give us a satisfying conclusion, and I feel they succeeded.
It’s one of the worst attempts at lgbt representation that rivals high spice guardian and velma, like with the terrible little mermaid remake ppl look at the horrible representation with 😍😍 and ignore all the garbage that surrounds it
As someone who grew up during and after the Disney Renaissance, I can safely say that TOH is single handedly my favorite Disney property (aside from acquired properties like Star Wars) Very cute, very imaginative, very exciting, very emotional It's about as close to 'perfect' as a television program can get
The Owl House is by far Disney's best post-Gravity Falls cartoon, and you can bet Disney was kicking itself for canceling the show early once they saw the RUclips releases for season 3 rank up in the millions of views. For everyone still mourning it, best read the MoringMark comics - they qualify as unofficial TOH canon at this point.
I'm so surprised you didn't like Belos! I thought he was one of the best villains in Disney history, and so so interesting. His background story gets so dark, darker than I've ever seen in Disney. Especially if you look at some of the backgrounds. He has his brother's bones labeled on a table. He's actually one of my favorite parts of the series.
He's right about one thing, though. His background story should have been fleshed out more. They could have done an episode about how he and Caleb got to the Boiling Isles. You know, an episode like The Avatar and the Fire Lord.
belos for me was a breath of fresh air, a middle finger to the "twist villain" and "traumatic redeemable oh i'm so sad" villains we're so used to in today's age. Think of him like as a precursor to jack horner. If not a little more than that. He's the embodiment of an idea. He is the antithesis of what the show is trying to convey in the sense of "he won't give new things a chance. He won't budge, he won't change his mind, and more importantly, he seeks to hurt the strange and the odd because he thinks it makes him a good person/will make him the hero." In his day and age, he'd have been a normal person. Believing witches were evil back in the time of salem was as common as the dirt they walked on. Most people changed in that mentality, either no longer believing in witches at all, or thinking they're a really cool mythos, etc etc. but not everyone did. To this day, we still have people who not only believe in the old idea of "evil witches," but will absolutely tie people to poles and burn them alive to get their way. Anger, hate, and fear don't just die out. it grows weak and patient, lunging at the next opportunity to spread like wildfire. Belos is the angry, the hateful, the afraid. The man who won't change, and doesn't want balance. He won't let bygones be bygones, nor will he agree to disagree. He wants to shape the world in his image. He wants to hurt what he doesn't like. And most importantly, he's not doing it out of personal belief that this will help the world. He's doing it so that his old world will look to him as a savior. Ego. Pride. the commentary is there, i don't disagree on that. I personally believe that belos works better when you look at him for what he is. A monster. Personally, i also really like that they make fun of the idea of a chosen one early on in the series, followed up by making belos a "self proclaimed chosen one" as a villain
I also love how he’s become what he hates by the end, but still tries to carry out his mission, something more overtly shown in the Ducktales finale. Here’s it’s way slower and more subtle though.
I personally love the fact that if it wasn't for the political power belos had he'd just be that crotchety old man screaming about how the new generation is ruining the world. At his core belos is just a stubborn fool who never learned to change with the world. He grew up as a witch hunter and despite living with witches for centuries and using magic himself he never even tried to think about whether his biases held any merit. And even at the end of the line he couldn't admit defeat. Belos died as a pathetic creature groveling at the feet of a true hero while still trying to sing his own praises about how he was better than the witches. I don't know what Doug is talking about when he says belos isn't a character that represents what people could be because there are people like him around now. Old people incapable of change who manage to hold onto positions of power and make it everyone else's problem.
They even took a little dig at Steven Universe in the finale when the Collector tried to talk him to change his mind and failed miserably. I personally love that we have a villain who can just be a villain again.
The thing about Belos. In my eyes, some of the most interesting villains are the ones who believe that they aren't in the wrong or evil. Belos truly believes he's being the hero by killing what he see's as evil witches and demons, again he was from the 1600's to 1700's so he'll more than likely find 2020's norms be very disgusting by his standards.
Problem is he doesn't really act like someone who thinks they are good. Dude was willing to kill his brother over it, but also uses magic himself. And just ends up turning into a dragon. So kinda agree while he's done okay, there was a lot of room to make him more interesting without making him redeemable.
@@lProN00blthat was due to Disney being dumb he isn’t fully developed. Even so, he genuinely believed his brother was falling into a witches spell (betraying him) and kill them him as a twisted way to get revenge
In the 2020's gay marriages are not legal everywhere while in his reign there is no bigotry towards other sexualities or color skin. If Belos was real he would unironically be the most open minded person in history.
@@ianskiver6246 Wasn't there backlash going on with the series because of moms against the demonic elements in the US but also other countries refusing it for lgb identities?
When it came to the owl house there was another theme being portrayed in the show that you can notice if you look: ‘Don’t let your expectations rule over what you can find.’ That was a big focus of the second episode were tricked into thinking that she’s a chosen one, but that very same thing kept going on throughout the entire series and it’s especially true with Emperor Belloes. The thing is with Emperor Belloes. There is a lot of detail involving his backstory. There’s a lot of hints and breadcrumbs all over the place, especially when the episode focused around him. He had an older brother, and they were kids in a place that had the witch trials before even Salem, and if you would believe it, historically they were worse than Salem. That is the kind of environment that this kid lived in and then him and his brother find themselves in a world full of actual witches. His older brother changed he decided not to be a bigot, and in fact, fell in love with a Clowthorn. But Bellos refused to let go and killed his brother, and all of that is before he became what you see In the time travel episode. He keeps trying to proclaim that he’s this great hero of humanity but in truth, he’s the worst monster of all. That was also shown as a parallel in the episode with Vi, The curator the kidnap are is exactly the same way. He’s just portrayed as a goof and a screwup. The sad thing is the very thing that makes emperor. Bellows actually more interesting is the very thing that makes him also equally a one note villain. The he actively refuses character development. Because that would mean admitting he was wrong. He can’t do that.
@@valentinkambushev4968 yeah, it's better but Frollo was a catholic deacon who got a musical number about his sexual desires (an references to his erection too), and that was very polemic. now wonder what could happen if the show told usa darker background for Belos, like being a puritane witch killer, and more important, in a show that has a lot of LG-TV characters, it had been even worse than Lightyear' polemic.
I kinda see Belos as the Anti-Luz, as well as a victim of circumstance in a way. At the beginning of the show, there's a clear point of society and the world around you forcing you to be one thing and believing one thing (Luz should be more normal, humans can't learn magic, ect.) For Belos, it's the same thing with him growing up in a time where people saw stuff like witches as evil beings that should be eradicated. But, while Luz actively fought against this and went on to do her own thing, Belos conformed and adopted this exact belief and went along with it because that's what everyone else did, with him doing this until it became an integral part of his identity, losing his individuality and instead becoming only a mouthpiece for a belief So then, even though both him and Luz went through similar stuff with them ending up in the other realm and learning magic, because of how much his belief became an integral part of his identity, Belos never tried to see past it and become his own individual with their own morals and ideals. He doesn't have said ideals because of how rooted his own identity is into his own belief, that every other way is wrong and he must do everything to uphold it. You can't redeem an individual, if there's no individual to begin with For One Piece fans reading this, its kind of like with Akainu, as both are so invested into their own beliefs that its become an integral part of their identity and so only exist to exact that belief instead of being their own individual. With Akainu, it's absolute justice. For Belos, it's a hatred for witches.
I see Belos in the same vein as Zootopia. The message hits with the subtlety of an anvil, but that's because sometimes you NEED an anvil. Belos is (much like Avatar's Firelord) an introduction to the concept fascism for a younger audience. Belos develops an unquestioning cult of personality, re-writes history to suit himself and marginalizes and fearmongers against the "other." This directly clashes with Luz and Eda being the "other" and embracing it, giving the conflict between them a believable basis. Belos is not terribly complex, just a child who perceives this "other" as taking his brother. This betrayal leads to a very simple and direct hate, but the fun in the character is how well he plays the game by getting into power and putting restrictions on magic. When he finally betrays the Boiling Isles reaction of his subjects feels earned. Belos is an excellent villain because he does not pretend nor desire to be anything other than himself, seeing himself as the hero no matter his actions.
Belos and Luz contrast each other. Both are from Gravesfield and found a portal to the Boiling Isles with an idea of what it was like based on their backgrounds. However while Belos refused to engage with it as it was and put a system of control over it, Luz when disillusioned about her isekei preconceptions was willing to readjust her views. Further on in her character development she realises how she has impact on others, and for the negative impact she does blame herself whereas Belos never wavers from his righteousness.
that's why i love Luz, probably her character suffered a lot thanks to the bad writing in "A Lying Witch" and in "For the Future", but it doesn't change the most important plot, she suffered for her decisions, she learnt from her mistakes, her depression feels so real and the way that he show "turn off" her light in S2 and S3 was simply painful, it was nice that at the end, she finally got what she deserves: some happiness.
Belos being stagnant is kind of the point, his refusal to adapt or consider new points of view outside of his own is what puts him on this tragic and avoidable path where he loses his only real family and becomes this horrible monster (both literally and figuratively).
Exactly, Belos can be considered a reminder of what happens to those that chose that path. The fact that he is an irredeemable character in a show that discusses that topic is exactly why he is suited for that. Him being irredeemable isn't because he is evil for the sake of it, he believes he is the hero of this and any who oppose him are the evil ones, that actually makes him a very human character because people like him have always existed and still do. Belos had centuries to understand that demons and witches aren't like what he was told, while Luz only spent like a few months and she already knew that. In the end Belos refused to change as a person and people like that don't get happy endings.
@@EthanIlchertit’s like that quote that I saw from Ip Man 4. In everybody’s eyes, they themselves are always the good guys. In fiction and real life, there are many bad people that does terrible things but yet somehow, they still believe they are the good guys
I think if nothing else, Belos did hit the zeitgeist on the internet perfectly. At this point, an irredeemably evil bad guy who you can just pour all your hate into was kind of exactly what people wanted because they were tired of redemptions and twist villains.
Doug kinda missed that, most audiences(at least the one that Doug be most aware and probably the one he was referring to) would at this point like Belos. He has a tragic backstory but it was self inflicted and he was a villain who didn’t want to change and develop a savior complex to mirror Luz. Luz still has that kinda but she genuinely want to help vs Belos who wanted the result of helping
I love my tragic villains, but when you have nothing but that, then they become the standard, and thus, boring. A one note monster can still be a great character if you hit that note well. The difference between Mumm-ra and Belos is that Mumm-ra is boring, and doesn't really have a reason to his actions. He's just 'boo, bad guy.' I'm reminded of one of my favorite villain quotes, ever. A supervillainess essentially has kidnapped all of the gangsters in town, and is making them fight to the death while she watches. Most don't really care, because, duh, villains. But, heroes gotta hero. She does the standard 'Why would you do this!?' The villain makes the perfect response, and I quote: 'You want my motivation? Fuck. You. That's my motivation. I make gang members fight to the death, and I've got scantily clad women to serve me drinks while I watch. Why WOULDN'T I be doing this?"
In a way you're right about Belos, he IS there to be hated and it's very obvious what he's about right from the start, but healso happens to be one of my favorite **kinds** of villains to hate. The value of Belos, as I see it, is how the other characters form in his orbit, how good or bad people work around him, and I think if the show lasted long enough to delve more deeply into his lieutenants, the Coven Heads, we'd have a slew of more dynamic villains to play with. And, in a way, he's a commentary on Luz's character flaw too. Luz came to the Boiling Isles hoping to live out her fangirl fantasies of becoming powerful, being a chosen one, and being a hero. In a way, that's Belos' issue too, he has a pathological desire to be a hero, but his upbringing gave him a very different definition of what that entails, and because he is such a psychopathic narcissist, he never questions it. Unlike Luz, he can't see beyond his own preconceived notions about what the Boiling Isles is and what it could be. If the show had spent more time on that dynamic, if we'd gotten to know that side of him better, it would have made him more compelling. Still, I'm happy with what we got.
They do hint at Belos' true intentions quite a few times, such as in King's Tide when Luz is discussing with him about what will happen upon returning, and the discussion Luz has with Papa Titan in the finale. But yes, exactly, he is the opposite of Luz, and shows why despite her flaws, she is ultimately good because she is willing to learn.
That boils down entire character to just being another psychotic psycho who’s all actions explained by the fact that he is insane. That the most stupid writing ever
@@sizar9003he is technically but in the context of the series he is the anti Luz. He and Luz both have a savior complex, not only that but they both had an idea of magic and such that shaken by the Isle….i can go on and on
@@Yami-mugoni613 you do realize that just saying that he had some "complex" doesn't make him an interesting character? You can say Jafar has Napoleon Complex, but he doesn't transform into some three dimensional character. Same with Belos. You write this parallels with Luz all you want, but it will never change that his character is fundamentally boring and just evil. What's the point of all this "deepness" if he remains just punching bag to blame all the problems on
I absolutely love this show. It truly is one of the best modern Disney projects in my opinion. Plus, it came out at the perfect time when the world had to go on lockdown. Also, while I do respect your opinion, I think Belos is a fantastic villain and it is so good to have a straightforward Disney villain again.
I’m really glad this show is getting talked about more and more. It really does deserve all the praise, and I can’t describe how much it and Amphibia mean to me. A friend recommended Owl House to me, and I have since become a massive fan. I love the characters, the writing, the story, and even the cast members themselves are all just great people. This show really is one of a kind and, again, I’m really happy more and more people are watching and talking about it. I really hope that we can one day get more stuff from Dana.
i love that too, specially i love when not a few Christians or anti-woke people says that the show is okay or they loved the show, probably it doesn't beat Gravity Falls or Arcane, but with Amphibia, the second place is perfect. and if Matt is doing a movie for Sony, i can't wait to see something from Dana, but we have to be patient.
You know, the Lois Lane from the most recent Superman show looks a lot like the main character of this show. Probably why I think Tomboy Lois is so cute.
honestly, what makes belos so interesting to me is how rooted his beliefs are in real world history look back to the salem witch trials, and you’ll see what i mean. another reason why belos is so compelling is what we learn from Hollow Mind and Thanks To Them. His brother Caleb was living proof that with enough time, Belos COULD change, and COULD learn to love and embrace witches, but he didn’t. all that time and he just learned nothing. that’s just my two cents thoug
Yeah, being from that era he tried telling himself he was the hero, the one doing the right thing, when in truth it was just his own selfish reasons. Sure he isn't super deep, but sometimes it is fun with a classic villain.
It fits thematically that where most characters change with self-reflection, the antagonist doesn’t and refuses to. What also makes Belos evil is his treatment of the Grimwalkers, essentially clones of the brother he murdered and who inevitably become a bit too open minded so need to be put down. He treats Hunter like a nephew but in a very controlling way by doing a Gothel and lying to him about how the world works, in this case wild magic. When Hunter is looking for a cure for Belos’s condition, even in wild magic, he’s shut down and made to feel he can only contribute as the Golden Guard denied even friends.
So heres the thing about his backstory. When he went into the Boiling Isles and became a witchhunter, he was a child. Children are influential by default, and things you learn as a kid are gonna stick around into adulthood. So when his brother starts loosening the beliefs he holds so foundly, it seems like hes justified in his belief, and his brother has betrayed those beliefs. So to get back at the world that "stole his brother", he decides to destroy it and close himself off to it.
Thing is that Belos was far gone before he even stepped into the Boiling Isles. He was growing up in the New England area of America (basically the part that is considered part of the first thirteen states) in Connecticut as an orphan during the colonial times, specifically when the whole witch trails thing was happening in that section of the US. As such he was influenced by what he saw and it stuck with him after he entered a new world that wasn’t like what he knew and learned. Add on his big brother marrying a witch and siring a child with her, didn’t help matters in this thought process and made him believe that his brother had betrayed him and everything he thought they stood for. Also he’s stubborn so obviously he’s going to be very upfront and on the nose with his hate when he’s not acting it up to keep everyone on his side.
He’s stuck in a world antithetical to his beliefs, and forced to engage its magic just to survive while working to destroy it. That’s got to be a lot of self-loathing right there.
In the episode “Hollow Mind,” did you see all of the background art depicting, the bits and pieces of Belos’s backstory? The fans went to town with analyzing all of it, and how truly dark it got.
Maybe if we got a full season 3 we could’ve learned more about Belos’ human side. He did live in the town Luz is from, maybe they could’ve had an episode where Hunter learns more about Belos to try and get some closure about who he really was, and realizes that while he had some good in him he was still a bad person, or have a flashback episode between Belos and Caleb, or anything really. The more I look at the whole situation with season 3, the more I realize just how robbed we were with it being shortened
Belos is an excellent villain, so well written, but we definitely missed out on his story with his brother Caleb because if you really dig deep into the lore, it looks like Caleb just upped and left him behind and watching it enough, you notice little nuances. In a way, Luz and Belos ARE the same. Belos as a human lived in a time where if you were strange or unusual could lead to you being called a witch and potentially being killed for it. He was left handed, which was a sign of the devil. So there's a very good chance he was abused and brainwashed into being a witch hunter in order for he and his brother to fit in and be taken care. They definitely would have beaten his hand to make him use his right hand and he definitely would have seen witches as evil for taking the one person who cared about him. Luz is the other side of the coin. She's strange, people give her a wide berth. Yet, she made out better than Belos did. Luz found people who supported and loved her, she made friends, she was allowed to embrace what made her strange and different without being afraid of facing the noose like Belos would have. Luz got to grow and just be herself, something Belos never got. Luz and Belos reflect each other, good and bad, they reflect what the other could have been.
All this nice and interesting, but costs absolutely nothing since none of this is actual part of the series and never explored or developed. It’s just something fans come up with
I just bring a simple analysis of your comment and make you see a very important flow. "He was left handed, wich was a sign of the devil..." that's an objective insight in what was presented in the show, but then you say "...so there is a very good chance he got abused and brainwashed into being a witch hunter in order to fit in." Using the word chance makes this statement subjective, that when seen under an objective lense makes it a headcanon, further proof that the media in question never stated or shown it ever happening. Basically you are pretending that others must have in mind your idea of the show as the only way it can be analyzed.
I'm sure others have already said this, but I think the Belos/Collector dynamic was sort of the point that made the irredeemable villain work. I felt it was a "You can't fix everyone. It's fine to try, but there are people who will refuse to change and they will take every chance to hurt you that you give them. A person needs to want to change, you can't force them to change." The Collector didn't understand why eveeyone was afraid or that what they were doing was hurting people. Belos could hardly accept the concept that wirches were people too. Further, I liked the fact the Belos makes Luz question if her own ambitions, her desire to be this epic hero like in her books. I mean, the whole third season circles alot around how she realizes the effects her actions have had, and it makes her wonder if Belos is just a version of her that owns the collateral damage in the wake of getting what she wants.
In a few words: I love this show. The best things they presented us were the locations and the overall lore of the Demon Realm. They created a unique environment with a Titan's skeleton as a huge island to explore, the stories about the magic system, curses, monsters and demons were amazing, and the main villain, although not as interesting as Bill Cipher or King Andrias, it gave us a sense of real threat and manipulation, and I was so glad they didn't redeemed him (I was tired of all the villains turned good at the end, and this show proved that not everyone could be redeemed). Luz Noceda is an amazing protagonist that evolves throughout the show, from a bundle of joy wondering about everything around magic to a mature heroine who's not afraid to sacrifice her own life in order to save her first true friends she ever had, and although sometimes we see her in her worst moments, like during the Season 2's last episodes and Season 3, her inner self never gave up - just like the meaning of her own name, "a light that never fades". Eda is an awesome teacher with her carisma, flaws and relations; Amity is amazing with her growth into a true witch and not a 'machine' programmed by her mother; Willow and Gus had a lot of potential and their quirks are interesting to hear; King really grew from a brat into a member of this weird family. These characters all evolved, but their cores prevailed throughout the series. This series had a lot of potential for new stories, locations, characters, lore and interactions, especially the fusion between Human Realm and Demon Realm characters. Believe me when I say that its abrupt ending was something I was not happy to hear. Still, they decided to give us everything they could possibly give in order to close the gaps in some stories and character growths. In short, I guess I can say Thank You The Owl House, for giving the audience a magical close to more than 10 years of serialized Disney shows, in what I can call the Golden Era of Disney Shows for Convoluted Plots and Mysteries - there's never going to be a heroine like Anne, nor a bundle of joy like Mabel, nor an understanding teen like Star Butterfly, nor a great family like the McDucks, nor a hopeful love like Luz and Amity, AND ESPECIALLY, there's never going to be a villain like Bill Cipher, Andrias and the Core or Emperor Belos. PS: I hope next Nostalgiaween, you can create an intro based on the Season 1 intro of this show; and I'm curious about your Top 11 on the Best Episodes
What show other than Steven Universe redeemed all villains? And yeah, using the most basic villain ever to sell the point that not everyone could be redeemed is stupid
The show did kinda give some hints into Belos's backstory with the paintings shown the episode, "Hollow Mind", but I wouldn't blame you for missing those, as you really need to pause the episode at various points to really catch them. Who knows? Maybe they did have an episode that went into more detail about Belos and how he was influenced into hating witches by the mindset of his era, but that was probably one of the victims of the cut 3rd season.
@@supermariof0521 And another thing, more personal: I wish there was a DVD set for TOH. I know, it's basically dead media today but it's a kind of a bummer the show is stuck on Disney+, you know?
I personally think a villain like Belos DOES have a place in modern times, mostly because of how indisputably evil and manipulative he is, and how he gets his comeuppance. A lot of people these days need to see people like that getting what's coming for them, it's cathartic. That said, you ain't wrong, he IS boring. And who knows, maybe some of the content Disney robbed from us would have fleshed him out more, and given him at least SOMETHING to be remembered by. Imo, Belos done right is basically just The Nowhere King from Centaur World. Irrideemable, but DAMN is he memorable.
The Nowhere King immediately came to mind as I was watching this. Feels like he's the exact sort of "Irredeemable, but you see how he got to that point" that Doug was talking about here. Sympathetic and tragic, but the show doesn't use that to try and justify or excuse him.
Honestly this show works great. It takes the enemy to lovers and does it perfectly, nothing feels drawn out or rushed and it works. Amitys progression as a character is perfect. And I love this show a lot because well Liz reminds me a lot of myself. A nerdy obsessed kid (at heart not literally) who likes creating and gets really energetic when I get going. Little bit of self loathing in there. But she really does reflect a lot of myself which is why I gravitated towards this show so fast as well. I think belos is a great villain mostly because we had seen the redeemable villain or wasn't really a villain so much from Disney, it was refreshing to see a character who's just evil like malifesent, scar, Ursula, jafar. All the classics who were just evil and worked great. I think kings twist near the end of season two worked perfectly and was absolutely mind blowing, and played into the rest of the show. I think the collector as a villian worked but only for as long as he was actually a villain. Ep 2 is kind of my least favorite episode of season three. I'm glad you liked it, and I'm glad you finally covered this show, after me wanting you to for about a year now.
For those on the fence with this show, Doug does a great review here, but not only is Belos a better villain than Doug is giving credit for, a lot of what makes him a villain appears to have gone over his head. Things that he’s marking as detractors for the character are rather the point of the character. So this is definitely some personal bias affecting things on his part. Watch the show yourself, and make of it what you will. 😁
The Owl House and Infinity Train are by far my favorite shows ever. These recent few years really have been the time of banger cartoons that are sadly also massively unappreciated by the network they come from... 😢
I actually did like Belos as the villain, not the best villain but serviceable for TOH. We were going to get more of him and The Collector but Disney hates quality so they cut the show. There would’ve been an entire episode about Belos’s backstory, his life during the Salem Witch Trials, his relationship with his brother and how he came to hate Witches and even his own family. But I still like what we got for how manipulative and scary he is. Belos like Ozai and abusive parents, villains who gaslight and manipulates the weak and still believe they’re in the right because of their delusions. He’s also quite threatening with his design and abilities. Like Voldemort and Umbridge from HP, Belos is a completely despicable villain you love to hate and enjoy when they’re beaten but isn’t just for laughs and is taken seriously.
Ah the Owl House a show that deserves so much love and respect then what it got from Disney. Despite being cut down to a three parter for the final season they still managed to tell a very good story with a satisfying ending. Props to that.
Fun fact, Dana Terrace, the creator of the show, revealed during her post-Hoot interview that Season 3 of The Owl House wasn't even a thing, or rather, there wasn't an original Season 3. So, everything that happened right after the show was announced to get the axe was made up on the spot without any original storyboards and such. This show, the cast and crew were dealt the crappiest hand than any show has been dealt with, and yet still managed to make the absolute best of it into what turned out to be a very satisfying and fulfilling conclusion. 🦉🐍
I think it was important to have Belos be the way he is because there are just people like him out there. Not evil simply for the sake of being evil, but deluded and consumed by prejudice to the point of a complete lack of empathy and willingness to question one’s own actions.
Dude, we need more mum-ra "I look and dress evil" characters; considering how Disney seem to dislike the idea of villains these days, it's actually now refreshing. It's a staple that really never goes out of style, people like flashy or sinister looking characters. Also, considering Belos comes from an actual time where that kind of evil was quite common (witch trails and so forth) it actually makes a lot of sense.
I never heard of this show until now, but I checked out the pilot episode after watching your Disneycember review and liked it a lot. The idea that giraffes originated from the fantasy world and were banished to ours cracked me up.
I think it is strange he did not mention this, but the show is weary pro LGBTQ+. Luz is bisexuell and there is also a big gay characters and a miner character that is Non-binary.
I don’t know, with so much redeemed villains or sympathetic ones, it’s really great to have one that is just an evil guy who needs to be defeated. I mean, Bill Cipher isn’t exactly 3 dimensional character, he’s bad because he’s an other worldly monster. Belos is evil side of humanity
The Owl House was one of my favorite cartoon shows of all time! It has great animation, great characters and great dialogue. Luz Noceda was one of my favorite characters. She was played by Sarah Nicole Robles. And I kinda loved her for that. Even when she met Amity Blight (played by Mae Whitman) she was being very nice to her during the rest of the first season. All I wanted to do a long time ago was watch the rest of the show. But I was too busy watching all the other shows on a streaming service. Anyway, I had to admit that The Owl House may be the best Disney Channel show so far, but I would always expect more from anything else.
"Everyone wants to believe they're "chosen." But if we all waited around for a prophecy to make us special, we'd die waiting. And that's why you need to choose yourself." -Edalyn Clawthorne
I loved Belos as a villain! He felt like a throwback to the classic Disney villains who are irredeemable, and you just love to hate them! While he might not have brought anything new to the table, his character fits perfectly with the themes of resisting authority and rigid social structures. Plus, no one talks about how GOOD his VA did!
I actually enjoyed Belos as a villain as a purely evil character. He was dark, ruthless who always made it out that what he was doing was good as an excuse for his actions. I enjoyed that.
Belos is a great villain in this story because he's the antithesis of Luz. She was willing to look past everything, look for the good, and find that there is good. He refused to look at any of them other than monsters, so deep in his mindset of them being evil from the time he spent learning from adults around him that he killed his own brother, Caleb after he fell for a witch and started a family. One opened their mind and heart to the unknown, finding true friends and love along the way, the other closed theirs, slewing in old lessons that drove him down his path because he was the 'hero.'
It's kind of odd that Doug has gone on multiple times saying he misses villains who are just blatantly evil monsters and then complains about Belos being a colonizer that is a blatantly evil monster.
To me Belos is a villain in the way that he doesn't change, and is stubbornly the exact same as he was from his time period, While everyone around them has accepted change he is the over seer that will not accept. That's always what I thought. He was the personification of archaic thinking. On another note though, YOU'RE DAMN RIGHT AMITY IS THE BEST!
The message is that most people have redeeming qualities, while some people are just evil and unyielding in their way of thinking. And that is real life, you can't always expect people to respond to reason and kindness, if you think otherwise you will be taken advantage of. It's a real and important message- try to look for the good in others, but be careful about who you trust.
The show has enough characters that start out as bad and end up redeeming themselves, is it really such a bad thing that they have one character who refuses to be swayed to being good?
Calling it the main message might be a stretch. It was the one where Luz needs to be understood by others, that's what started the whole story. This part is in my opinion really sloppy in children's show standards. First of all, the main villain is not complicated enough to make it sound like he has redeeming qualities and he just choses to go on his path, and he is not fun like many other villains who are just evil.
@@sonoio869 i didnt say that it was the "main message" but it's definitely one that was emphasized. On your other point- you're right, redeeming qualities is what they usually do to make Villains 3 dimensional and since they didn't give so that with this character, they should have given him something else to make him interesting.
I think the idea behind Belos is that while most beings are not pure good or pure evil- they are complex- there are occasionally exceptions so immersed (in the vile direction) that they cannot be redeemed- a bit of a counter to, say, the end of Sailor Moon - Sailor Stars, where you just need to win with 'love'. But in doing so, yes, he became one-note. Even hiding it among a few other things (I won't spoil), they really just threw us off for a second with no payoff. I agree, weaker part of the show, but the show was entertaining, deep enough despite this. I recommend- and I figured you'd largely like it, Doug. Happy to see this reviewed.
Tangent incoming: I did not like Sailor Stars one bit. Nehelenia deserved far worse than what she got for what she put Usagi and her friends through, the Starlights were just Uranus and Neptune version 2.0, and Galaxia was a shit-villain. I know some writers treat their characters like their babies and don't want to let them go, but the big bad should not get redeemed when someone a lot less evil (like cute little Ironmouse) has to die.
Doug, thank you so much for reviewing The Owl House! I’ve been waiting for you to do this for a long time. It’s one of the greatest animated shows Disney has done. But I think you were a little too hard on Belos. Not every character needs to be redeemable. If anything, he kind of reminds me of Judge Claude Follo from Hunchback, where he’s so clouded by his own belief that witches are evil, that he reasons with the people and himself that every horrible thing he does is justified for the good humanity. In the episode “Hollow Minds” where Luz and Hunter go inside Belos’s head, there’s a whole gallery in the background, giving us hints of Belos’s past. Like Gravity Fall, this show leaves a lot of clues and puzzle pieces in the backgrounds that you have to put together yourself. If Disney hadn’t cut The Owl House, so short, we probably would’ve gotten an entire episode that explains Belos’s backstory.
ok you got a few things wrong, 1, luz isn't into awkward things she loves creepy and weird things, that's why she had no human friends cause the stuff she did made all of the humans in Gravesfield hate her, 2, amity was NEVER A BULLY, the way she acted in the first few episodes was all an act and she was just pretending to be that way cause her good for nothing mother forced her to do it, and 3, Belos WAS a good person once, when he was a child, but being indoctrinated into witch hunting and his desire to be accepted and be a hero twisted him into a monster.
I do agree with your point of being bothered by Belos. However I do think they were going to try and make him much more complex and deep than what we see. There is evidence to suggest that. To me its one of the bigger tragedies of this series only being three seasons. There is so much to this world and dare I say this is one of the best Epic series to come out right up there with the Last Airbender. To me Dana Terrace deserve every bit of credit for making this amazing magical world and for backflipping through fire hoops over a shark tank to stick the landing of this shows final season. So many other would phone it in or be so distraught on how to wrap it up that the last season would be panned and hated otherwise. However the Owl House team pulled together and gave a happy teary eyed ending. I'm happy for what we got and overall this series was amazing in everything it did.
@@TMX1138 and? I now why he put the 2 there, but he didn't write anything that made sense! Are you people so easily amused? Just write a number and a random thing from each movie: 1 poison apple 2 crystal slippers 3 genie lamps 4 cheshire cats 5 of deez nuts It requires no brainpower whatsoever.
Belos is basically Frollo meets Oliver Cromwell from Wolfwalkers. It would've been nice if they'd had time to flesh out his backstory more, and in particular his falling out with Caleb. I would've liked to see his descent into villainy the way we saw with King Magnifico from Wish. But the creators didn't get that time.
To me Belos was fascinating moreso from an allegorical level, not unlike say, Father or Dante from either of the Fullmetal Alchemist anime, but also how the narrative contrasts his goals and intentions with the heroic characters. The kind of character that effectively resides over the whole of the narrative and shapes the entire setting just by existing, the Wizard of Oz of Luz’s Dorothy. Feel like a lot of that is moreso NC (reasonably, it’s regrettable the show was cut short) miffed at how much of Belos’s backstory wasn’t shown outside of the portraits in his head. When watching this series with my cousin he *guessed* his plan and I had a completely different theory. The fact that he pity parties himself before the rug pull is definitely a difference from say, Ozai, who was very outwardly abusive to Zuko, while Belos doing as much as he did to hide his intentions was part of what I found interesting. The extent of his sinisterness is the kind of thing you’re shocked Disney can get away with. It’s kind of surprising since as I’m aware NC really likes Frollo from Hunchback, a very similar character to Belos but without the mystery element to it. If anything, Belos for me is a clear instance of a pure evil villain being interesting based on the context, prescience and mystery around them moreso than arguing a moral dilemma of their actions.
I honestly thought he was gonna love Belos. If you know this guy, you know he misses really good villains, villain who are savage and irredeemable. The "villains" Disney usually has nowadays are boring and they usually turn to the good side. I thought Belos was gonna remind him of Frollo or something.
Yeah, I’m definitely one of those people who don’t have an issue with Belos. In typical critic fashion, he dislikes something because it’s been overdone. But I like the irredeemable villain trope. It’s nice to have someone who you don’t have to feel awkward about hating. One of the most interesting scenes in the climax, is Luz and Co have been befriending the collector. Belos turns up and starts wreaking stuff. The Collector then, following Luz’s example, tries to befriend Belos, and then gets blasted because Belos is beyond it at that point. I really don’t get what critic is trying to say about how Belos represents only one thing. I just like a good story, and overused or not, the villian trope works with Belos because you do get people in the world who cannot be changed, who will become the monsters they claim to fight. I enjoyed such villains in the 90’s and I still enjoy such villains now. And Belos works better than many for having a more realistic reason.
I did love how they had Egoraptor playing the big guy in the finale, and reveal he was watching EVERYTHING the whole time. Makes you picture him doing his gameplay styled commentary like he does in gamegrumps while watching everything xD
I don’t give a shit I love belos. Belos is one of the reasons owl house is one of my fave shows ever. He’s pure evil everyone know it but HIM. He was raised in a time where what he did was praised and seeing he was and orphan no guidance other than his brother which in his eyes betrays him or is taken by the thing he hate. He goes on a murder spree for over 400 years and nothing anyone says will waver him. Even when he’s DYING.
it wouldn't be a Doug opinion piece if he didn't rag on one thing and make it seem like the show is garbage because of a nit picky thing he wants, even when he tells us the audience he likes something despite his gripes, when he goes on long whinny rants about something he, just sounds like he's talking down to the whole thing, its kind of a problem to have when part of your job is convincing people of how you feel about something
@@cloudlion1610 Yeah, its good of him to admit he might be wrong about it (I personally think theres more going on with Belos than he realizes) but like you said, all he had to say was "look i've got one major beef with this and its _____ and thats it" done in 30 seconds instead of a 4 minute long whining rant that gives the impression his nitpick ruins everything despite him saying otherwise.
Here is a fun fact that always pops in my head whenever someone claims that everyone can and deserves redemption, that no one is purely evil, and its unrealistic that someone can be irredeemable. When I was doing some research on Schindler List I learned that Spielberg had to tone down Amon Goeth's cruelty due to timing and because he thought the audience wouldn't believe that someone that evil could exist, ironically the audience thought the opposite as they thought that Goeth's evil was unrealistic and thought it was exaggerated for the movie. In addition to what he did in the film, he also had a torture chamber where hundred were tortured to death, and had dogs rip his victims apart while still alive. So whenever someone says that the crimes of Belos is unrealistic I immediately remember Schindlers List to remind me why that's BS.
6:24 Frankly there was plenty they could've done with Belos. Like for example have it be he kept draining magic because he was dying and wanted to atleast die in the human world. Have him show that he killed his brother because he felt genuinely betrayed and that his brother abandoned him, have it be that he went to the Boiling Isles and got stuck there, spending years of his life surviving horror after horror only to finally find his brother...and see him making out with a witch, making Belos feel nott only like he left him alone for selfish desires but also that all his suffering was for nothing and that magic stole the one person he genuinely cared about. That would've made him way better.
It would have been an interesting angle for the Boiling Isles to negatively affect humans, giving reason to Belos’ magic use, and something for Luz to deal with later on.
There is more to Belos than what you mentioned. He is a product of his Era and while Luz is all about change and growth and exploring and accepting the unknown. Belos is the opposite, her foil. He is stagnant, unchanging, set in his ways and seeing different as evil. Luz and Belos are supposed to foil each other. 2 humans who both came to the Demon Realm and had 2 drastically different thoughts and feelings on it.
This series holds a special place in my heart because of all the queer representation. Luz is bisexual, Amity is a lesbian, Raine is non-binary, etc. None of these are treated as special or different, they just exist and people treat them as natural as anything else. Raine especially never gets misgendered, everyone just treats them as a regular person. Not forced to conform to just one gender, they just are. Luz and Amity have this huge buildup to their relationship and its done better than most straight relationships in these kinds of shows. Amity, who could have been just a generic bully, shows a softer side and develops this big crush on Luz. Luz develops one on her as well and we get to see these two awkward teens develop into an honestly healthy couple. It's really nice to see.
This show literally glorifies it wym? The only reason it’s treated as natural because the boiling isles is a knock off California “uptopia” You can’t be 2 genders unless you’re intersex plain and simple, if Dana wanted Raine to be 2 genders then she should of just made Raine into that so that way he/she could of gotten away with it. Amity and Luz have horrible chemistry, it’s the typical cliche that they butt heads only for them to fall for each other over the course of time. It’s like you said she’s just a generic bully, with the only thing that protects her from being called out is the alphabet card.
@@George_Fl0ydI Don’t think so….She ra has gotten call out for its Lesbian relationship being plan toxic? Amity and Luz Relationship is pretty healthy it’s not like they troupe of like “fuck the homies” or “break up over dumb misconception”
Also, I understand where you’re coming from with how you view Belos, but I don’t agree with it. He is pure evil but I found him to be genuinely engaging and intimidating throughout the story. Belos could never really be saved because he represents an era and way of thinking that no one now (hopefully no one) can relate to. I don’t think he’s like O Hare from the Lorax movie at all. In that one, they were attempting to make O Hare funny and pure evil but ended up just making him unbearable. Belos is purely meant to be scary. To affect the world and characters with his every action. In a vacuum Belos would be a bad villain but in the context of the show he serves his purpose pretty well. Also, you should see the community centered around Lumity. Some of the most un ironic fun I’ve ever had looking through fan fiction and fan art
Yeah, the only faults to this production were that Disney cut it short. I'm sure Dana Terrace had a whole backstory for Belos that would've explained more of his indoctrination into Witchhunting as well as what happened between him and his brother, but again, the Disney executives, almost without warning just pulled Dana aside and told her they were cancelling the show because "It doesn't fit the brand." That is something the creator revealed on social media, so yeah, what was going to be more of a mystery to be explored further across seasons was unceremoniously dropped because the idiots at the top decided this wasn't fit for their Christian Minecraft server. I mean.... Chadwick Boseman had to fight to give T'challa an African accent, and while the argument from the top was "we're afraid audiences won't be able to understand him," yeah, I'm gonna say that's a little suspect. I mean... given that people like Jackie Chan and Arnold Schwartzenegger both became popular, and Arnold's even iconic for his, I don't think that argument holds any water, so when they say The Owl House doesn't fit their brand, I have a feeling they mean something else. Perhaps that is more speculative, but seeing how poorly this was treated compared to other shows and movies that do fit "the brand" I can't help but wonder if perhaps there isn't more than a few biases and prejudice within the opinions of the top brass. Anyway, I honestly, still think Belos is fine. If we can enjoy Maleficent as a character and villain, then why not Belos? I don't think OG Disney movies gave too much motivation to their villains, they kinda just were evil. True, it is nice to see even those characters fleshed out more, but at the same time I think that also speaks true to life as well because you don't always, if ever, get to understand why some people, groups or organizations treat you with the malice that they do, even when you're a heterosexual, cisgender male. Some people just seem to hate and we never really get to know why. Sometimes they come up and face you down, and you just have to deal with them. You don't get a reason. You just have to fight or fly, and sometimes you don't even get that courtesy; sometimes it's boiled down to fight or die, and Belos was very much that threat. Belos was that evil that is very real, that prejudice without reason that you want to understand, but you never get the chance because, much like the Disney execs, he doesn't give you the opportunity or time. So yeah, in all honesty, it is disappointing not to see Belos all fleshed out like the other characters, it's also quite fitting, especially with the ending and how much pain you can see Luz is in to just see Belos still full of hate. She didn't want to fight him; she even turns her back on him because she could never hold that kind of hate for anybody, so her friends have to step in to see the job done. She only fought so that she and her friends could survive and live. Meanwhile, Belos just stayed as he was, too rooted to his misguided ideals, so much so that he died with them. It's regrettable, yes, but sometimes that's just what life gives you, what it leaves you with, a want to understand with no true answers. Still, and to leave things on a much lighter note, there are those who are willing to answer, willing to change, and willing to lift you up, and that's what we should focus on. We may never get to understand hatred or prejudice, but there are those that help us understand love and acceptance, and I think I'd rather come to know that experience if given the choice. As curious as I am, I'd rather be forced to let go of negativity I don't understand than to lose all the positives I have, whether I understand those or not.
The show is great and still deserves a lot more credit, I can also see your problem with Belos as I had a friend I spoke to who definitely wanted more from him being the bad guy, I also know that the series getting cut where it did didn't help either, as they found out halfway through second season (the first 10 episodes of season 2 was planned normally while the second half was in "shoving what they could after the rewrites" while still planning a shorter "3rd season". Basically there was no more time to develop Belos since we still had to talk more about the Collector, the connection between the Collector and King as well as who King really was. The team did what they could, a lot of the things when it comes to Belos can be revealed with just particular things in the background without any true redeeming qualities, but considering the assumption of the time he was raised around(the witch trial era), the direction they went to make sense but I think if given a proper 3rd season we could have gotten a lot more reasoning and more reveals as I was pretty sure a character that was mentioned was supposed to get an actual speaking role but it's been a while since I've read all of that. TLDR; Show is great, Belos definitely needed more but for what we got its fine, definitely needed more seasons to this series because it's that good and even Disney admitted they messed up when it was too late. Just look at the Disney channel RUclips and see how many times The Owl House was watched compared to anything else on that Channel.
I’ll be honest, I don’t see Belos as a commentary. He no doubt is but… I like when a villain is just vile. Would be nice if perhaps he was a bit more humanized but still beyond redemption. But something about all his maniuplation and twisted rewriting of the world’s history and peoples’ minds is… kinda chilling to me.
While I do love this show, I'd say my issue isn't the big bad, if anything, is the initial setting: the show kinda feel like it had like, 4 or 5 pilots, struggling to finally find its footing (then again, given the themes of trying to find yourself and what you want to be, it's oddly fitting). But one thing I connected DEEPLY, is how Luz doesn't have the inherent magic other beings in the Boiling Isles have, so she has to find her own way. Why? I make cartoons and illustrations, I really love it, and I even had the chance to meet some execs to pitch my ideas. But I don't come from any art school, I kinda arrived late to this world, and I see around me and there are these awesome artists who went to colleges or even already have some experience in productions, and have knowledge I don't. So I tried to learn from some of them what I could and try to practice on my own even when I don't have the same foundations of others, and yeah, I see myself in a lot of Luz: not being "born with it" or having the same skills as others, but adapting what I can to make a style on my own that might not be the same as others, but I like to think it has some worth.
Belos had multiple episodes that were gonna be dedicated to him but they had to be cut once season three was reduced to three episodes. I’m guessing they decided they rather use their time developing the main characters and completing the arc they already had in motion
I can't believe I've been watching nostalgia critic for over 12 years and I just noticed there is no nostalgia critic episodes for Harry Potter, not even a summary of the hold series
I think they would’ve given bellos a good backstory IF they’d been given more time. As it is they just were given three hour-long episodes for season 3. There’s actually some lore that bellos’ brother ‘replaced’ him with this world and he learned to hate magic because of it. At the very least it’s cannon that he killed his brother and that Hunter is made from his bones. I think the reason why is because he loves his brother and couldn’t bare to see him corrupted by magic
To be honest when I first saw this show I got more of a Dark Crystal out of this. Didn't think about it like a combination of Beetlejuice and Kiki's Delivery Service. That said on the third day of disneycember the critic gave to me: Three outcast characters Two more captain marvels And ONE MONKEY MEME!!!
I can honestly believe that Luz wouldn't have been able to make friends with kids her own age specifically because her hometown has a moderately small-town feel to it. I only live around seven miles from my state's capital, but until high school, there were extraordinarily few kids who were willing to sit together at lunch if they weren't popular, because it drew more attention to them if they did, rather than sitting separately, or hurrying to eat and leave the lunchroom to find someplace else to hide. Even among the nerdiest in my schools from Kindergarten up to 8th grade, Luz would have stood out far enough that it would have made those who shared some interests wary of being associated. Once high school came along, the numbers of kids in each year grew enough (with fewer high schools than schools for younger children) that Luz might have been fine... but that was even at a moderately decently-sized high school, not a large one like on either coast in big cities. If the city she was from was further from other major population centers and itself had a smaller population like it looks like, well, Luz would definitely stand way out.
I tried watching this show, and it didn’t immediately grab me. Season 1 was boring, honestly. Season 2? I BINGED IT IN A WEEK. Season 2 is one of the tightest written seasons I’ve seen for any animated series. I was HOOKED. Season 3 was as best of a wrap up as they could have under the circumstances. I’m at least glad we have the Owl House.
So glad that he loved Amity as a character. It was such a breath of fresh air to watch a character go through so much development in such an efficient amount of time. In the first season, you can see her slightly changing for the better with every one of her appearances and it really added so much to the show. She became the Marceline of the show for me. A character that doesn’t appear in every episode but the episodes she appears in are made better just by her presence alone. Her relationship with Luz was also one of the best developed relationships I’ve ever seen in a show. Every step in their progression was executed to perfection and they’re absolutely adorable together on top of it.
Wtf are you talking about she’s one of the most unlikeable characters imagineable with nothing about her that was enjoyable in the slighest, everytime she was in there it made the already awful Show worse. The fact that ppl are obsessing over 2 kids is disgusting af, the terrible hallmark movies have better chemistry than those 2 idiots do.
Any short comings in the development of Belos as a character is the result of the show runners having to cut stuff out for time. As you observed, they had to squeeze a lot in to the last few episodes. Naturally this means some characters are not going to get as much attention as they deserve or the writers would like. They had a choice of who's development to sacrifice. I think they chose wisely.
You know halfway through the making of season 2, the writers were notified that the show was getting cancelled. & because of that, the network refuse to The Owl House a real 3rd season, And as a result of that fans tried to get the network to reconsider by trending on Twitter & signing online petitions but the network refuse to listen. Then when season 3 premiered on Disney channel's RUclips channel, Disney finally realized that this actually has an audience & regret not supporting this show, & now it's too late. And that's so frustrating.😠
I think part of the reason why Belos was so under developed was probably partially due to the fact the show lost an entire season's worth of potential development. They had to rush the ending since Disney execs felt it wasn't doing well enough and wanted to cancel it and didn't realize their mistake until it was too late.
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I saw it last month and while it’s not my favorite cartoon I can see why audiences like it
I so adore the owl house, easily one of Disney Channel's best shows during the first half of the 2020's!!! Even if it ended shortly in season 3, it earned that title of having an amazing finale 🥲🥲🥲💜🏳🌈🏳⚧
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Fun Facts: The Owl House was inspired after working on Gravity Falls
And Gravity Falls was inspired after working on The Marvelous Misadventures of Flapjack (as well as both Adventure Time and Regular Show).
The Marvelous Misadventures of Flapjack made such a huge impact in the world of animation that the show made a cameo in Fionna and Cake as part of The Adventure Time Multiverse.
I will say that Belos works as an antagonist on a meta level to the series. Every character changes and grows, he stagnates. Every character displays a facet of humanity, he, one of the few humans, shows none. This world has depth, he is shallow. And as people become more honest and reaches their true potential, he hides behinds lies and falls short of what he could be. This is a world driven by imagination, welcomes anyone, and has something great to offer, but he is dogmatic, hateful, and cruel. He exists to be the bad guy on every level.
Yeah, it's a bit of a dead horse to beat at this stage, but the Owl House comes across as such a wonderful series, set in a fantastic world, that it makes sense for the villain to be someone who is the direct antithesis of all that. That's probably why we root for his defeat, so we can get back to the characters full of life to have fun again. Plus, it's also refreshing to have a villain is just a straight up vile person, kind of like Jack Horner, but not as entertaining.
But a lot of this might have been in part due to a rushed production, as Disney's executives weren't kind to it.
The collector was the same thing but more
No, you're right, I think you hit the nail on the head with that analysis. Out of everything you could reasonably criticize about the owl house it seems weird to rag on the main villain for not being sympathetic when that's sorta the point to him. Every other antagonist could change and take criticism and accountability. Lilith, amity, hunter, and the collector were meant to evolve. Belos was the big bad because he couldn't accept that he was wrong.
Everyone else made mistakes and attoned for them because they could get out of their own fantasy world just like Luz had to learn in the beginning. But up to the end where belos had become an inhuman monster in every sense of the word he was still trapped in his hero complex fantasy. He murdered so many people for nothing and still believed he was some great human hero fighting against "the evil witches" just because he didn't like that his brother got a witch girlfriend.
Yeah! He's a foil for Luz on every level, and as shallow as he seems, he still has plenty of depth, it's just not touched on much. Which I think is all the better, because waaaay too many irredeemable characters lose that edge when their Tragic Past is focused on too much.
Plus he's chilling as hell and that makes him fun to watch.
@@untitled-gv3qp NC said sympathy wasn't the onlt thing they could've done. Humor too. Just anything from being a pure cliche
@@momhplyfuk9284 Nc Said some comedy would've worked just anything from being a pure cliche
There's a line by Eda that's easily one of my favorite quotes from anything.
"Everyone wants to believe they're chosen,but if we all waited around for a prophecy to make us special, we'd die waiting. That's why you need to choose yourself."
Ironic considering a lot of chosen ones want nothing to do with their roles for the longest time and only accept them for their loved ones' sakes.
@@realJoeMavro True
so that's why Eda and Amity are the GOAT of the show, they never lost their essence, they grow against all the odds and internal pain, and now both are better versions
Also said by (spoiler) to Luz: The question is, will YOU choose yourself.
That line alone is why I like Episode 2, while others hate it
Season 3 ALMOST didn't happen *at all*, and that shows how much Disney's execs tried to tear this down, and how much the people who worked on it truly cared about what they were doing. It's not perfect, but it's still the best Disney original series since Gravity Falls.
I think Disney executives need to realize to look at the direction of what people like instead
I stopped watching around that time because I believed that season 3 would never happen.
I didn't watch it yet, but I kinda doubt that last statement. DuckTales 2017 exists
@@jakubgodyn7413 Which was also great.
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the worst part is if they were given the time they wanted, they most likely would have shown us belos' past and how he went from adoring little brother to a theocratic murderer
Yeah, that wasn't going to work. "Star vs. the Forces of Evil" was given FOUR SEASONS and "Gravity Falls" with only two seasons told a rounded and satisfying story despite everything. And if a cognitively delayed Magic Princess isn't enough, she considers the FIVE SEASONS of "Steven Universe," its movie and its Epilogue Mini-Series.
@@Hilario-von-Fledermausburg1973 gravity falls was planned with 2 season from what i recall. it could finish how it wanted because they had the time they asked for.
this one had a plan for one more season and then disney changed their mind so they had to cut some stuff out.
First of all, it was noted from Bill Chiper's debut that it was not the original idea for him to be the final Villain. Anyone who watches that episode a couple of years later (older in age) can tell by how he behaves and talks about the "Prophecy". Perhaps Hirsch's idea was to have more episodes parodying North American mythology, but since he saw that his wings were going to be clipped or he realized that a good plot could not be maintained with that, he compacted everything and the series was able to tell a pretty story. good with a good ending.
And let's be real: all series creators had to be aware of Disney's plans with their series. They weren't 5 year olds. All those series did not fail due to lack of time, they failed because the scripts were DISGUSTING, the direction was worse and to top it all off they made those from the project open their mouths on Social Networks to generate more discussions to increase interest.
And whether they had been a success or not, it wouldn't matter. Those who are going to lose the money are those who worked on the project as creatives (directors, scriptwriters, etc.) and those of lower rank. The executives keep their earnings without almost a single change and by the time "the ship starts to sink" (the company goes to a loss), they will already be in another company doing the same thing or retired. The only ones negatively affected are those at the bottom, who continue to believe that the industry is in chaos or full of higher-ups who only think about money. When these decisions are calculated to put the Scapegoats (those who "only think about money") as the culprits, while everything remains the same and people continue to complain in the wrong place without generating ANY change.
And given us the reveal that Hunter is related to the Clawthornes
That I don't matter at all, because they do not even 3% of ANYTHING with that revelation. And seriously, the Palismans are basically magical scepters that can be used as aerial transportation, why does it only have one power and people don't throw rocks at those writers' house?
I actually like belos as the villain, the problem was that he was supposed to be way more fleshed out but the third season was cut down to 3 specials so they didn't have time to get into his whole backstory with his brother and his brothers wife (we only got hints).
He MURDERED his own brother because of Caleb fell in love with a witch. That’s evil on its own
@@zacheryschmidt2611 Look the man's a walking embodiment of 17th century imperialism. I don't think Belos needed a twist to become more empathetic but season 3 did as much as it could to infer his backstory.
@@zacheryschmidt2611yeah because he was a Puritan witch hunter, they couldn't go to into it because Disney didn't want to tick off the Bible thumpers but basically belos equates the demon realm to hell. That's why he is trying to destroy it
@@benwasserman8223you definitely see that in the flashbacks where he is trying to evangelize the audience while preaching "the will of the Titan"
@@GeekCredTrivia also a lot of religious bullshit involved
Okay, love how Doug loves Amity, she's definitely one of if not the best character in this.
And while I get why he doesn't like Belos, but at the same time, he's a little more than just an Ozai type of person who isn't evil for just the sake of it. Sure, if we never knew his backstory and was just a generic Emperor, than ya I'd agree about him being bland. But unlike Ozai who was just a power hungry dictator, Belos has a few layors to his character. Firstly, you need to understand the time period he came from. Phillip grew up in the time were humans saw witchcraft as nothing but pure evil, work of the devil, and anyone who practiced it or was accused of it would be executed. Look at the villians background for ParaNorman for example, or even something based on history like the Salem Witch Trails. Obviously those people in the end were wrong and delusional. But for Philip to have not just lived but grown up in that time in history, you can see how he became the villian. Especially considering the fact on how he kept himself alive for hundreds of years, making him insane. Maybe if the show wasn't cut and we got a flashback episode involving Caleb or something, maybe that could've added to his layors even more.
I thought the fact he kept cloning and killing his dead brother who he killed over and over added layers. It just didn't make him a good person. But think about it, it suggests he regrets killing Caleb but wants a version of his brother he can control. But also kinda takes pleasure in hurting the person who he sees as the one who chooses the witches over him again and again. It adds a little extra to his character and gives insight into this deeply twisted way he thinks and that mix of love nd hate where hate always wins.
Surprised Doug never even hinted at the grimwalker thing. That was such a creative and messed up concept (especially for a kids show) and it brought so much more intrigue to Belos’ character. That’s the element that personally for me elevated him from generic but effective villain to truly despicable but compelling antagonist.
To me Belos was fascinating moreso from an allegorical level and how the narrative contrasts his goals and intentions with the heroic characters. The kind of character that effectively resides over the whole of the narrative and shapes the entire setting just by existing, the Wizard of Oz of Luz’s Dorothy. Feel like a lot of that is moreso NC (reasonably) being miffed at how much of Belos’s backstory wasn’t shown outside of the portraits in his head. When watching this series with my cousin he *guessed* his plan and I had a completely different theory. The fact that he pity parties himself before the rug pull is definitely a difference from say, Ozai, who was very outwardly abusive to Zuko, while Belos doing as much as he did to hide his intentions was part of what I found interesting.
The extent of his sinisterness is the kind of thing you’re shocked Disney can get away with. It’s kind of surprising since as I’m aware NC really likes Frollo from Hunchback, a very similar character to Belos but without the mystery element to it. If anything, Belos for me is a clear instance of a pure evil villain being interesting based on the context, prescience and mystery around them moreso than arguing a moral dilemma of their actions.
I feel like the thing with Belos is more that he had SOME redeeming qualities like a desire to help people fight what he thought was evil and love for his brother. But he subverts both of them with hatred. It's a message that's hard to take that if we can't look to others with an open heart and think "Maybe I'm wrong" we can go from not just doing the wrong thing but not having any of our initial good qualities. Belos has hundreds of years to learn to find goodness in witches, and that they aren't all evil but his hate pushes him so far he hypocritically went after the only other human he met too. To the end, he's sure that Luz is as bad as THOSE WITCHES. He's basically Frollo level of hypocrisy, he's definitely a better fleshed out villain than Ozai.
The fact that there are still truly evil villains in this series is probably a major point in its favor. I love Steven Universe, but they redeemed many characters that seemed to have nothing good in them. Here, if a character is redeemed, you have a small feeling it could happen early on. Take Lilith for example. Sure, she's shifty working for who we're correctly assuming is the main villain, but she clearly is concerned for her sister. You get that she's not all bad, so her redemption works.
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My main problem with Belos is that they dance around actually calling him a Christian. They call him a "with hunter" and have him call them evil, but he never explains why.
So his character just feels awkward and unfulfilled. They should have had him quote scripture, (and twist it to _his_ needs) and threaten to burn them "In the name of God!"
And it's not like Disney would have a problem with it, I mean, they gave us this! ruclips.net/video/U3NoDEu7kpg/видео.html
I think belos being straight up a irredeemable monster is what works for him. He was a kid raised during the witch trial eras and back then a lot of adults were monsters to other humans like themselves just because of the label of being a witch. They brainwashed their kids to to thinking how they did and Belos has been stuck in that mindset his whole life especially since he never left the aisles after a certain point in his young life leading him to not revolve with the rest of the world on earth to just phase out of it and move on, he’s still stuck in the old ways and no one can change his mindset. He is the hero in his mind, he even offers Luz a chance to go home with him surfing the draining spell saying he doesn’t want to see another human corrupted by the people of the aisles. He is a monster and irredeemable villain yes but he also is a hero in his head, that’s what I think makes him interesting. In a way he reminds me of Frolo from Hunchback, a man of high power who lets these bad thoughts in his head and will go to extreme inhumane lengths to get what he wants and sees himself as just and right.
Maybe it would’ve worked more if we got an episode between him and Caleb. Caleb was going down that same path but changed for the better
@@dragonstouch1042 we definitely were but because of the cancelation during early season 2 they didn’t have time to, that’s why in the episode they go into belos mindscape you can see through out it in the background portraits that subtly tell the story of his origin more fleshed out
Titan literally says that he is just an asshole who wants to jerk off his ego. There’s nothing complex about that. It’s destroys entire message of the show
We were robbed, absolutely robbed of a full and proper season 3. 3 of the voice actors (Luz, Lillith and Raine) attended New York Comic Con and they were so awesome and so open about how the show was important to them. The lore was fascinating and the characters well written. Really wanted more. .
Would of been fun to go to
What was more tourture was i work security in the hudson yards next to the javits center
@@VMan29397 thank you for your service, there’s a good chance we was near each other in October haha
@@StephySon probly not i work 12-8 am
Doug, you've literally asked for villains like this.
Belos isn't boring, he's more imposing and intimidating not to mention cruel and self-grateful. He thinks he's the hero when really he's the villain of the story.
But on top of all of that... he's a very realistic villain, a villain who could actually exist today, minus the magic powers.
Of course he doesn't have a shred of humanity in him.
He isn't just a villain, he is a MONSTER, a monster who gave up his humanity when he killed his own brother and tried to commit genocide on an entire race of people whose only crimes were they weren't human and used magic which was considered blasphemy to Puritans.
i can understand Doug in some way, Belos is cool, is a fucking monster, but the crew didn't tell us the horrible things he did, or at least they told us but in hidden frames and that was a bad creative decision, but is understandable it's a TV-Y7 show
Yeah but then again Doug is a dickhead he’d probably say the same thing about Dominator from Wander Over Yonder
This show basically cemented my distain towards Disney as a company
Not because the show sucked, but how it was treated. There was no reason it had to be cancelled, and no one can give me a good explanation why
Disney is a very greedy cowardly company
Owl House should’ve been on Netflix, Cartoon Network, Prime video or RUclips
Disney didn't realize it was popular until after they canceled it basically. The way they measured it's popularity ignored a lot of different factors. They only realized after they brought down the hammer and people started to complain.
@@untitled-gv3qpWho knows? Maybe we'll get a revival years from now.
Bob Iger, you’ve failed this industry.
And Mickey Mouse has failed as a mascot.
Yeah, I think I can give you a reason why. Most Disney Channel shows/cartoons only last for a few pair of seasons. You can check all of the Disney animated shows and you can notice how short their lifespan is. In fact, most cartoons are made with the expectation to only last like two seasons. It´s not Disney cancelling the show unfairly, it´s just industry standards.
I absolutely love this series. So much wild and creepy imagery, lovable and well fleshed out characters, incredibly animated fight scenes, and one of the best lgbt romances I've ever seen. And while I agree Belos could've been fleshed out more, I feel he's still a very affective villain. It sucks that Disney screwed the show over so bad, but you can tell Dana Terrace and her team did everything they could to give us a satisfying conclusion, and I feel they succeeded.
Couldn't agree more.
Yeah I can see what you mean
Day 62 waiting for the ,,G-force" movie review by Doug the ,,Nostalgia Critic"!
Luz and Amity really are perfection
It’s one of the worst attempts at lgbt representation that rivals high spice guardian and velma, like with the terrible little mermaid remake ppl look at the horrible representation with 😍😍 and ignore all the garbage that surrounds it
As someone who grew up during and after the Disney Renaissance, I can safely say that TOH is single handedly my favorite Disney property (aside from acquired properties like Star Wars)
Very cute, very imaginative, very exciting, very emotional
It's about as close to 'perfect' as a television program can get
Then everything changed when Disney stepped in (couldn’t resist doing an Avatar the Last Airbender thing right there)
@@bibigamer502
Well Mae Whitman was an MC in both.
The Owl House is by far Disney's best post-Gravity Falls cartoon, and you can bet Disney was kicking itself for canceling the show early once they saw the RUclips releases for season 3 rank up in the millions of views. For everyone still mourning it, best read the MoringMark comics - they qualify as unofficial TOH canon at this point.
Well… the staff at Disney are likely kicking themselves over its cancellation, but the executives might be another story.
@@geoffreyrichards6079they probably don’t care. They’re too busy trying to ruin Marvel and Star Wars
amphibia's better
The unwritten rule of MoringMark comics is that they are canon until proven otherwise.
@@casualfanatic4217 Still not ruined no matter how much you claim otherwise
I'm so surprised you didn't like Belos! I thought he was one of the best villains in Disney history, and so so interesting. His background story gets so dark, darker than I've ever seen in Disney. Especially if you look at some of the backgrounds. He has his brother's bones labeled on a table. He's actually one of my favorite parts of the series.
The RUclips channel Mahpie actually made animated shorts that dive into his backstory.
Trully great fan-content that I wish was canon.
He's right about one thing, though. His background story should have been fleshed out more. They could have done an episode about how he and Caleb got to the Boiling Isles. You know, an episode like The Avatar and the Fire Lord.
Bill killed his entire home dimension. Now that's dark (though yeah, Belos is pretty dark, too).
Also, I love how Belos isn’t redeemed cause he doesn’t deserve it. He’s a scumbag parasite and went out like one
I thought it was interesting how in this magical and terrifying world, the most evil force is a human being. Great contrast to Luz too.
belos for me was a breath of fresh air, a middle finger to the "twist villain" and "traumatic redeemable oh i'm so sad" villains we're so used to in today's age.
Think of him like as a precursor to jack horner. If not a little more than that.
He's the embodiment of an idea. He is the antithesis of what the show is trying to convey in the sense of "he won't give new things a chance. He won't budge, he won't change his mind, and more importantly, he seeks to hurt the strange and the odd because he thinks it makes him a good person/will make him the hero."
In his day and age, he'd have been a normal person. Believing witches were evil back in the time of salem was as common as the dirt they walked on.
Most people changed in that mentality, either no longer believing in witches at all, or thinking they're a really cool mythos, etc etc. but not everyone did. To this day, we still have people who not only believe in the old idea of "evil witches," but will absolutely tie people to poles and burn them alive to get their way. Anger, hate, and fear don't just die out. it grows weak and patient, lunging at the next opportunity to spread like wildfire.
Belos is the angry, the hateful, the afraid. The man who won't change, and doesn't want balance. He won't let bygones be bygones, nor will he agree to disagree.
He wants to shape the world in his image. He wants to hurt what he doesn't like. And most importantly, he's not doing it out of personal belief that this will help the world. He's doing it so that his old world will look to him as a savior. Ego. Pride.
the commentary is there, i don't disagree on that. I personally believe that belos works better when you look at him for what he is. A monster.
Personally, i also really like that they make fun of the idea of a chosen one early on in the series, followed up by making belos a "self proclaimed chosen one" as a villain
I also love how he’s become what he hates by the end, but still tries to carry out his mission, something more overtly shown in the Ducktales finale. Here’s it’s way slower and more subtle though.
I personally love the fact that if it wasn't for the political power belos had he'd just be that crotchety old man screaming about how the new generation is ruining the world. At his core belos is just a stubborn fool who never learned to change with the world.
He grew up as a witch hunter and despite living with witches for centuries and using magic himself he never even tried to think about whether his biases held any merit. And even at the end of the line he couldn't admit defeat. Belos died as a pathetic creature groveling at the feet of a true hero while still trying to sing his own praises about how he was better than the witches. I don't know what Doug is talking about when he says belos isn't a character that represents what people could be because there are people like him around now. Old people incapable of change who manage to hold onto positions of power and make it everyone else's problem.
They even took a little dig at Steven Universe in the finale when the Collector tried to talk him to change his mind and failed miserably. I personally love that we have a villain who can just be a villain again.
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And he became something that also oppressed his society: The Pope.
Belos turned the witches Catholic.
@@philly_sports1558 I hope in the latter 2020’s we get more classic villains
The thing about Belos. In my eyes, some of the most interesting villains are the ones who believe that they aren't in the wrong or evil. Belos truly believes he's being the hero by killing what he see's as evil witches and demons, again he was from the 1600's to 1700's so he'll more than likely find 2020's norms be very disgusting by his standards.
Problem is he doesn't really act like someone who thinks they are good.
Dude was willing to kill his brother over it, but also uses magic himself. And just ends up turning into a dragon.
So kinda agree while he's done okay, there was a lot of room to make him more interesting without making him redeemable.
@@lProN00blthat was due to Disney being dumb he isn’t fully developed. Even so, he genuinely believed his brother was falling into a witches spell (betraying him) and kill them him as a twisted way to get revenge
In the 2020's gay marriages are not legal everywhere while in his reign there is no bigotry towards other sexualities or color skin. If Belos was real he would unironically be the most open minded person in history.
This show deserved so much more love from Disney :(
Agreed, if only they respected the creators more
Day 62 waiting for the ,,g-force" movie review by Doug the ,,Nostalgia Critic"!
Agreed
Yeah it deserved so much more
@@ianskiver6246 Wasn't there backlash going on with the series because of moms against the demonic elements in the US but also other countries refusing it for lgb identities?
When it came to the owl house there was another theme being portrayed in the show that you can notice if you look:
‘Don’t let your expectations rule over what you can find.’
That was a big focus of the second episode were tricked into thinking that she’s a chosen one, but that very same thing kept going on throughout the entire series and it’s especially true with Emperor Belloes.
The thing is with Emperor Belloes. There is a lot of detail involving his backstory.
There’s a lot of hints and breadcrumbs all over the place, especially when the episode focused around him.
He had an older brother, and they were kids in a place that had the witch trials before even Salem, and if you would believe it, historically they were worse than Salem.
That is the kind of environment that this kid lived in and then him and his brother find themselves in a world full of actual witches.
His older brother changed he decided not to be a bigot, and in fact, fell in love with a Clowthorn.
But Bellos refused to let go and killed his brother, and all of that is before he became what you see In the time travel episode.
He keeps trying to proclaim that he’s this great hero of humanity but in truth, he’s the worst monster of all.
That was also shown as a parallel in the episode with Vi,
The curator the kidnap are is exactly the same way. He’s just portrayed as a goof and a screwup.
The sad thing is the very thing that makes emperor. Bellows actually more interesting is the very thing that makes him also equally a one note villain.
The he actively refuses character development. Because that would mean admitting he was wrong. He can’t do that.
Eh, Frollo was better.
@@valentinkambushev4968 maybe true, but they gave him a musical number to better show his hypocrisy.
@@valentinkambushev4968 yeah, it's better but Frollo was a catholic deacon who got a musical number about his sexual desires (an references to his erection too), and that was very polemic.
now wonder what could happen if the show told usa darker background for Belos, like being a puritane witch killer, and more important, in a show that has a lot of LG-TV characters, it had been even worse than Lightyear' polemic.
I kinda see Belos as the Anti-Luz, as well as a victim of circumstance in a way.
At the beginning of the show, there's a clear point of society and the world around you forcing you to be one thing and believing one thing (Luz should be more normal, humans can't learn magic, ect.)
For Belos, it's the same thing with him growing up in a time where people saw stuff like witches as evil beings that should be eradicated.
But, while Luz actively fought against this and went on to do her own thing, Belos conformed and adopted this exact belief and went along with it because that's what everyone else did, with him doing this until it became an integral part of his identity, losing his individuality and instead becoming only a mouthpiece for a belief
So then, even though both him and Luz went through similar stuff with them ending up in the other realm and learning magic, because of how much his belief became an integral part of his identity, Belos never tried to see past it and become his own individual with their own morals and ideals. He doesn't have said ideals because of how rooted his own identity is into his own belief, that every other way is wrong and he must do everything to uphold it. You can't redeem an individual, if there's no individual to begin with
For One Piece fans reading this, its kind of like with Akainu, as both are so invested into their own beliefs that its become an integral part of their identity and so only exist to exact that belief instead of being their own individual. With Akainu, it's absolute justice. For Belos, it's a hatred for witches.
Exactly.
I see Belos in the same vein as Zootopia. The message hits with the subtlety of an anvil, but that's because sometimes you NEED an anvil. Belos is (much like Avatar's Firelord) an introduction to the concept fascism for a younger audience. Belos develops an unquestioning cult of personality, re-writes history to suit himself and marginalizes and fearmongers against the "other." This directly clashes with Luz and Eda being the "other" and embracing it, giving the conflict between them a believable basis. Belos is not terribly complex, just a child who perceives this "other" as taking his brother. This betrayal leads to a very simple and direct hate, but the fun in the character is how well he plays the game by getting into power and putting restrictions on magic. When he finally betrays the Boiling Isles reaction of his subjects feels earned. Belos is an excellent villain because he does not pretend nor desire to be anything other than himself, seeing himself as the hero no matter his actions.
Belos and Luz contrast each other. Both are from Gravesfield and found a portal to the Boiling Isles with an idea of what it was like based on their backgrounds. However while Belos refused to engage with it as it was and put a system of control over it, Luz when disillusioned about her isekei preconceptions was willing to readjust her views. Further on in her character development she realises how she has impact on others, and for the negative impact she does blame herself whereas Belos never wavers from his righteousness.
that's why i love Luz, probably her character suffered a lot thanks to the bad writing in "A Lying Witch" and in "For the Future", but it doesn't change the most important plot, she suffered for her decisions, she learnt from her mistakes, her depression feels so real and the way that he show "turn off" her light in S2 and S3 was simply painful, it was nice that at the end, she finally got what she deserves: some happiness.
Belos being stagnant is kind of the point, his refusal to adapt or consider new points of view outside of his own is what puts him on this tragic and avoidable path where he loses his only real family and becomes this horrible monster (both literally and figuratively).
Exactly, Belos can be considered a reminder of what happens to those that chose that path. The fact that he is an irredeemable character in a show that discusses that topic is exactly why he is suited for that. Him being irredeemable isn't because he is evil for the sake of it, he believes he is the hero of this and any who oppose him are the evil ones, that actually makes him a very human character because people like him have always existed and still do. Belos had centuries to understand that demons and witches aren't like what he was told, while Luz only spent like a few months and she already knew that. In the end Belos refused to change as a person and people like that don't get happy endings.
King’s dad’s speech in the final episode is really the perfect summary of Belos.
@@TheShanicpowerIt was. How critic missed that is beyond me.
@@EthanIlchertit’s like that quote that I saw from Ip Man 4. In everybody’s eyes, they themselves are always the good guys. In fiction and real life, there are many bad people that does terrible things but yet somehow, they still believe they are the good guys
I think if nothing else, Belos did hit the zeitgeist on the internet perfectly. At this point, an irredeemably evil bad guy who you can just pour all your hate into was kind of exactly what people wanted because they were tired of redemptions and twist villains.
Doug kinda missed that, most audiences(at least the one that Doug be most aware and probably the one he was referring to) would at this point like Belos. He has a tragic backstory but it was self inflicted and he was a villain who didn’t want to change and develop a savior complex to mirror Luz. Luz still has that kinda but she genuinely want to help vs Belos who wanted the result of helping
I love my tragic villains, but when you have nothing but that, then they become the standard, and thus, boring. A one note monster can still be a great character if you hit that note well.
The difference between Mumm-ra and Belos is that Mumm-ra is boring, and doesn't really have a reason to his actions. He's just 'boo, bad guy.'
I'm reminded of one of my favorite villain quotes, ever. A supervillainess essentially has kidnapped all of the gangsters in town, and is making them fight to the death while she watches. Most don't really care, because, duh, villains. But, heroes gotta hero. She does the standard 'Why would you do this!?' The villain makes the perfect response, and I quote:
'You want my motivation? Fuck. You. That's my motivation. I make gang members fight to the death, and I've got scantily clad women to serve me drinks while I watch. Why WOULDN'T I be doing this?"
In a way you're right about Belos, he IS there to be hated and it's very obvious what he's about right from the start, but healso happens to be one of my favorite **kinds** of villains to hate. The value of Belos, as I see it, is how the other characters form in his orbit, how good or bad people work around him, and I think if the show lasted long enough to delve more deeply into his lieutenants, the Coven Heads, we'd have a slew of more dynamic villains to play with.
And, in a way, he's a commentary on Luz's character flaw too. Luz came to the Boiling Isles hoping to live out her fangirl fantasies of becoming powerful, being a chosen one, and being a hero. In a way, that's Belos' issue too, he has a pathological desire to be a hero, but his upbringing gave him a very different definition of what that entails, and because he is such a psychopathic narcissist, he never questions it. Unlike Luz, he can't see beyond his own preconceived notions about what the Boiling Isles is and what it could be. If the show had spent more time on that dynamic, if we'd gotten to know that side of him better, it would have made him more compelling. Still, I'm happy with what we got.
They do hint at Belos' true intentions quite a few times, such as in King's Tide when Luz is discussing with him about what will happen upon returning, and the discussion Luz has with Papa Titan in the finale. But yes, exactly, he is the opposite of Luz, and shows why despite her flaws, she is ultimately good because she is willing to learn.
That boils down entire character to just being another psychotic psycho who’s all actions explained by the fact that he is insane. That the most stupid writing ever
@@sizar9003he is technically but in the context of the series he is the anti Luz. He and Luz both have a savior complex, not only that but they both had an idea of magic and such that shaken by the Isle….i can go on and on
@@Yami-mugoni613 you do realize that just saying that he had some "complex" doesn't make him an interesting character? You can say Jafar has Napoleon Complex, but he doesn't transform into some three dimensional character. Same with Belos. You write this parallels with Luz all you want, but it will never change that his character is fundamentally boring and just evil. What's the point of all this "deepness" if he remains just punching bag to blame all the problems on
I absolutely love this show. It truly is one of the best modern Disney projects in my opinion. Plus, it came out at the perfect time when the world had to go on lockdown. Also, while I do respect your opinion, I think Belos is a fantastic villain and it is so good to have a straightforward Disney villain again.
I’m really glad this show is getting talked about more and more. It really does deserve all the praise, and I can’t describe how much it and Amphibia mean to me. A friend recommended Owl House to me, and I have since become a massive fan. I love the characters, the writing, the story, and even the cast members themselves are all just great people. This show really is one of a kind and, again, I’m really happy more and more people are watching and talking about it. I really hope that we can one day get more stuff from Dana.
And I wish Kid Cosmic on Netflix would get more praise to
i love that too, specially i love when not a few Christians or anti-woke people says that the show is okay or they loved the show, probably it doesn't beat Gravity Falls or Arcane, but with Amphibia, the second place is perfect.
and if Matt is doing a movie for Sony, i can't wait to see something from Dana, but we have to be patient.
You know, the Lois Lane from the most recent Superman show looks a lot like the main character of this show. Probably why I think Tomboy Lois is so cute.
Yeah every My Adventures with Superman fan has officially headcaoned that Lois as a Luz variant.
And so as Jimmy Olsen with Gus.
Kinda
She probably my favourite Lois of all of the Superman series
@@final909 I also like the update to Vicki Vale especially since she was basically made to be the Batman equivalent of her back in the day.
honestly, what makes belos so interesting to me is how rooted his beliefs are in real world history
look back to the salem witch trials, and you’ll see what i mean.
another reason why belos is so compelling is what we learn from Hollow Mind and Thanks To Them. His brother Caleb was living proof that with enough time, Belos COULD change, and COULD learn to love and embrace witches, but he didn’t. all that time and he just learned nothing.
that’s just my two cents thoug
Yeah, being from that era he tried telling himself he was the hero, the one doing the right thing, when in truth it was just his own selfish reasons.
Sure he isn't super deep, but sometimes it is fun with a classic villain.
I get what they were trying to do, but I still think Belos is just a lesser version of Frollo (who is amazing).
It fits thematically that where most characters change with self-reflection, the antagonist doesn’t and refuses to.
What also makes Belos evil is his treatment of the Grimwalkers, essentially clones of the brother he murdered and who inevitably become a bit too open minded so need to be put down. He treats Hunter like a nephew but in a very controlling way by doing a Gothel and lying to him about how the world works, in this case wild magic. When Hunter is looking for a cure for Belos’s condition, even in wild magic, he’s shut down and made to feel he can only contribute as the Golden Guard denied even friends.
@@valentinkambushev4968 to be fair, a lesser version of frollo is still a damn good villain
@@Clevernamegoesherestill is a lesser version tho, not as good as the original
So heres the thing about his backstory. When he went into the Boiling Isles and became a witchhunter, he was a child. Children are influential by default, and things you learn as a kid are gonna stick around into adulthood. So when his brother starts loosening the beliefs he holds so foundly, it seems like hes justified in his belief, and his brother has betrayed those beliefs. So to get back at the world that "stole his brother", he decides to destroy it and close himself off to it.
Thing is that Belos was far gone before he even stepped into the Boiling Isles. He was growing up in the New England area of America (basically the part that is considered part of the first thirteen states) in Connecticut as an orphan during the colonial times, specifically when the whole witch trails thing was happening in that section of the US. As such he was influenced by what he saw and it stuck with him after he entered a new world that wasn’t like what he knew and learned. Add on his big brother marrying a witch and siring a child with her, didn’t help matters in this thought process and made him believe that his brother had betrayed him and everything he thought they stood for. Also he’s stubborn so obviously he’s going to be very upfront and on the nose with his hate when he’s not acting it up to keep everyone on his side.
He’s stuck in a world antithetical to his beliefs, and forced to engage its magic just to survive while working to destroy it. That’s got to be a lot of self-loathing right there.
In the episode “Hollow Mind,” did you see all of the background art depicting, the bits and pieces of Belos’s backstory? The fans went to town with analyzing all of it, and how truly dark it got.
Maybe if we got a full season 3 we could’ve learned more about Belos’ human side. He did live in the town Luz is from, maybe they could’ve had an episode where Hunter learns more about Belos to try and get some closure about who he really was, and realizes that while he had some good in him he was still a bad person, or have a flashback episode between Belos and Caleb, or anything really. The more I look at the whole situation with season 3, the more I realize just how robbed we were with it being shortened
Belos is an excellent villain, so well written, but we definitely missed out on his story with his brother Caleb because if you really dig deep into the lore, it looks like Caleb just upped and left him behind and watching it enough, you notice little nuances. In a way, Luz and Belos ARE the same. Belos as a human lived in a time where if you were strange or unusual could lead to you being called a witch and potentially being killed for it. He was left handed, which was a sign of the devil. So there's a very good chance he was abused and brainwashed into being a witch hunter in order for he and his brother to fit in and be taken care. They definitely would have beaten his hand to make him use his right hand and he definitely would have seen witches as evil for taking the one person who cared about him.
Luz is the other side of the coin. She's strange, people give her a wide berth. Yet, she made out better than Belos did. Luz found people who supported and loved her, she made friends, she was allowed to embrace what made her strange and different without being afraid of facing the noose like Belos would have. Luz got to grow and just be herself, something Belos never got. Luz and Belos reflect each other, good and bad, they reflect what the other could have been.
All this nice and interesting, but costs absolutely nothing since none of this is actual part of the series and never explored or developed. It’s just something fans come up with
I just bring a simple analysis of your comment and make you see a very important flow. "He was left handed, wich was a sign of the devil..." that's an objective insight in what was presented in the show, but then you say "...so there is a very good chance he got abused and brainwashed into being a witch hunter in order to fit in." Using the word chance makes this statement subjective, that when seen under an objective lense makes it a headcanon, further proof that the media in question never stated or shown it ever happening.
Basically you are pretending that others must have in mind your idea of the show as the only way it can be analyzed.
I'm sure others have already said this, but I think the Belos/Collector dynamic was sort of the point that made the irredeemable villain work. I felt it was a "You can't fix everyone. It's fine to try, but there are people who will refuse to change and they will take every chance to hurt you that you give them. A person needs to want to change, you can't force them to change." The Collector didn't understand why eveeyone was afraid or that what they were doing was hurting people. Belos could hardly accept the concept that wirches were people too.
Further, I liked the fact the Belos makes Luz question if her own ambitions, her desire to be this epic hero like in her books. I mean, the whole third season circles alot around how she realizes the effects her actions have had, and it makes her wonder if Belos is just a version of her that owns the collateral damage in the wake of getting what she wants.
In a few words: I love this show. The best things they presented us were the locations and the overall lore of the Demon Realm. They created a unique environment with a Titan's skeleton as a huge island to explore, the stories about the magic system, curses, monsters and demons were amazing, and the main villain, although not as interesting as Bill Cipher or King Andrias, it gave us a sense of real threat and manipulation, and I was so glad they didn't redeemed him (I was tired of all the villains turned good at the end, and this show proved that not everyone could be redeemed).
Luz Noceda is an amazing protagonist that evolves throughout the show, from a bundle of joy wondering about everything around magic to a mature heroine who's not afraid to sacrifice her own life in order to save her first true friends she ever had, and although sometimes we see her in her worst moments, like during the Season 2's last episodes and Season 3, her inner self never gave up - just like the meaning of her own name, "a light that never fades".
Eda is an awesome teacher with her carisma, flaws and relations; Amity is amazing with her growth into a true witch and not a 'machine' programmed by her mother; Willow and Gus had a lot of potential and their quirks are interesting to hear; King really grew from a brat into a member of this weird family. These characters all evolved, but their cores prevailed throughout the series.
This series had a lot of potential for new stories, locations, characters, lore and interactions, especially the fusion between Human Realm and Demon Realm characters. Believe me when I say that its abrupt ending was something I was not happy to hear. Still, they decided to give us everything they could possibly give in order to close the gaps in some stories and character growths.
In short, I guess I can say Thank You The Owl House, for giving the audience a magical close to more than 10 years of serialized Disney shows, in what I can call the Golden Era of Disney Shows for Convoluted Plots and Mysteries - there's never going to be a heroine like Anne, nor a bundle of joy like Mabel, nor an understanding teen like Star Butterfly, nor a great family like the McDucks, nor a hopeful love like Luz and Amity, AND ESPECIALLY, there's never going to be a villain like Bill Cipher, Andrias and the Core or Emperor Belos.
PS: I hope next Nostalgiaween, you can create an intro based on the Season 1 intro of this show; and I'm curious about your Top 11 on the Best Episodes
What show other than Steven Universe redeemed all villains? And yeah, using the most basic villain ever to sell the point that not everyone could be redeemed is stupid
Heck yes!!!
Never will forgive Disney for cutting this show short for it's 3rd Season.
As well as the reason they did it.
Nor will I.
The show did kinda give some hints into Belos's backstory with the paintings shown the episode, "Hollow Mind", but I wouldn't blame you for missing those, as you really need to pause the episode at various points to really catch them.
Who knows? Maybe they did have an episode that went into more detail about Belos and how he was influenced into hating witches by the mindset of his era, but that was probably one of the victims of the cut 3rd season.
I'll just say it: The Owl House is one of the best animated shows I've ever watched. It's funny, creative, engaging and heartwarming.
And that's exactly why Disney wanted to give it the axe.
@@supermariof0521 And another thing, more personal: I wish there was a DVD set for TOH. I know, it's basically dead media today but it's a kind of a bummer the show is stuck on Disney+, you know?
I personally think a villain like Belos DOES have a place in modern times, mostly because of how indisputably evil and manipulative he is, and how he gets his comeuppance. A lot of people these days need to see people like that getting what's coming for them, it's cathartic. That said, you ain't wrong, he IS boring. And who knows, maybe some of the content Disney robbed from us would have fleshed him out more, and given him at least SOMETHING to be remembered by.
Imo, Belos done right is basically just The Nowhere King from Centaur World. Irrideemable, but DAMN is he memorable.
The Nowhere King immediately came to mind as I was watching this. Feels like he's the exact sort of "Irredeemable, but you see how he got to that point" that Doug was talking about here. Sympathetic and tragic, but the show doesn't use that to try and justify or excuse him.
@@ArixOdragcNowhere king is a messy villan half good half very rushed.
@@ArixOdragc Nowhere King was so fucking good. One of the best villains in cartoons by far, Belos is not even close to his quality
@@ArixOdragcI do think Doug somehow missed that all the major villains “Lilith,Hunter,Etc” were those villains
Honestly this show works great. It takes the enemy to lovers and does it perfectly, nothing feels drawn out or rushed and it works. Amitys progression as a character is perfect. And I love this show a lot because well Liz reminds me a lot of myself. A nerdy obsessed kid (at heart not literally) who likes creating and gets really energetic when I get going. Little bit of self loathing in there. But she really does reflect a lot of myself which is why I gravitated towards this show so fast as well. I think belos is a great villain mostly because we had seen the redeemable villain or wasn't really a villain so much from Disney, it was refreshing to see a character who's just evil like malifesent, scar, Ursula, jafar. All the classics who were just evil and worked great. I think kings twist near the end of season two worked perfectly and was absolutely mind blowing, and played into the rest of the show. I think the collector as a villian worked but only for as long as he was actually a villain. Ep 2 is kind of my least favorite episode of season three. I'm glad you liked it, and I'm glad you finally covered this show, after me wanting you to for about a year now.
This is probably the best Disney channel cartoon Ever made, it has action comedy and genuine mystery.
I wish season 3 was longer though
Day 62 waiting for the ,,g-force" movie review by Doug the ,,Nostalgia Critic"!
@@theanimeunderworld8338it would’ve but Disney cancelled the show so they had a limited amount of time
@@user-N665 Surprised they didn't allow for a sequel with Luz in college
What about Sofia The First?
For those on the fence with this show, Doug does a great review here, but not only is Belos a better villain than Doug is giving credit for, a lot of what makes him a villain appears to have gone over his head. Things that he’s marking as detractors for the character are rather the point of the character. So this is definitely some personal bias affecting things on his part. Watch the show yourself, and make of it what you will. 😁
The Owl House and Infinity Train are by far my favorite shows ever. These recent few years really have been the time of banger cartoons that are sadly also massively unappreciated by the network they come from... 😢
Not so much underappreciated by rather despised by the network they came from.
I actually did like Belos as the villain, not the best villain but serviceable for TOH. We were going to get more of him and The Collector but Disney hates quality so they cut the show. There would’ve been an entire episode about Belos’s backstory, his life during the Salem Witch Trials, his relationship with his brother and how he came to hate Witches and even his own family. But I still like what we got for how manipulative and scary he is. Belos like Ozai and abusive parents, villains who gaslight and manipulates the weak and still believe they’re in the right because of their delusions. He’s also quite threatening with his design and abilities. Like Voldemort and Umbridge from HP, Belos is a completely despicable villain you love to hate and enjoy when they’re beaten but isn’t just for laughs and is taken seriously.
As a quick thing, Dana Terrace confirmed that Philip was in the Connecticut witch trials, not Salem.
yeah sorry dude but agree to disagree on Belos; he's meant to be a dark reflection of Luz's desire to be "the hero"
Ah the Owl House a show that deserves so much love and respect then what it got from Disney. Despite being cut down to a three parter for the final season they still managed to tell a very good story with a satisfying ending. Props to that.
Fun fact, Dana Terrace, the creator of the show, revealed during her post-Hoot interview that Season 3 of The Owl House wasn't even a thing, or rather, there wasn't an original Season 3. So, everything that happened right after the show was announced to get the axe was made up on the spot without any original storyboards and such.
This show, the cast and crew were dealt the crappiest hand than any show has been dealt with, and yet still managed to make the absolute best of it into what turned out to be a very satisfying and fulfilling conclusion. 🦉🐍
I think it was important to have Belos be the way he is because there are just people like him out there.
Not evil simply for the sake of being evil, but deluded and consumed by prejudice to the point of a complete lack of empathy and willingness to question one’s own actions.
Dude, we need more mum-ra "I look and dress evil" characters; considering how Disney seem to dislike the idea of villains these days, it's actually now refreshing. It's a staple that really never goes out of style, people like flashy or sinister looking characters. Also, considering Belos comes from an actual time where that kind of evil was quite common (witch trails and so forth) it actually makes a lot of sense.
And the complexity is there if you bother to look for it.
I think the creators wanted to do Belos' backstory in more detail, but it was just too PG13 for a kids show.
god, i just can fream with the idea of a PG-13 rating for TOH or for Amphibia
I never heard of this show until now, but I checked out the pilot episode after watching your Disneycember review and liked it a lot. The idea that giraffes originated from the fantasy world and were banished to ours cracked me up.
I think it is strange he did not mention this, but the show is weary pro LGBTQ+. Luz is bisexuell and there is also a big gay characters and a miner character that is Non-binary.
@@eventyrarenI feel like he just feel like it not wanting to deal the mess that brings
I don’t know, with so much redeemed villains or sympathetic ones, it’s really great to have one that is just an evil guy who needs to be defeated. I mean, Bill Cipher isn’t exactly 3 dimensional character, he’s bad because he’s an other worldly monster. Belos is evil side of humanity
But he is funny, while Belos is a total wet blanket. Bill is also original, while Belos is an evil white dude.
The Owl House was one of my favorite cartoon shows of all time! It has great animation, great characters and great dialogue. Luz Noceda was one of my favorite characters. She was played by Sarah Nicole Robles. And I kinda loved her for that. Even when she met Amity Blight (played by Mae Whitman) she was being very nice to her during the rest of the first season. All I wanted to do a long time ago was watch the rest of the show. But I was too busy watching all the other shows on a streaming service. Anyway, I had to admit that The Owl House may be the best Disney Channel show so far, but I would always expect more from anything else.
Way to disrespect phineas and ferb there
"Everyone wants to believe they're "chosen." But if we all waited around for a prophecy to make us special, we'd die waiting. And that's why you need to choose yourself." -Edalyn Clawthorne
Being the chosen one was the last thing Harry or Anakin wanted.
I can't imagine what it must be like to work at Disney and receiving mail saying things like "Start making kids' shows for adults!"
I loved Belos as a villain! He felt like a throwback to the classic Disney villains who are irredeemable, and you just love to hate them! While he might not have brought anything new to the table, his character fits perfectly with the themes of resisting authority and rigid social structures. Plus, no one talks about how GOOD his VA did!
Yes! While yeah can be typical soft spoken villain, when he gets creepy, it’s genuinely creepy!
I actually enjoyed Belos as a villain as a purely evil character. He was dark, ruthless who always made it out that what he was doing was good as an excuse for his actions. I enjoyed that.
Belos is a great villain in this story because he's the antithesis of Luz. She was willing to look past everything, look for the good, and find that there is good.
He refused to look at any of them other than monsters, so deep in his mindset of them being evil from the time he spent learning from adults around him that he killed his own brother, Caleb after he fell for a witch and started a family.
One opened their mind and heart to the unknown, finding true friends and love along the way, the other closed theirs, slewing in old lessons that drove him down his path because he was the 'hero.'
Finally this show is being analyzed. Fantastic show. True to word an epic story
I’m glad you liked the show! It’s totally amazing!
It's kind of odd that Doug has gone on multiple times saying he misses villains who are just blatantly evil monsters and then complains about Belos being a colonizer that is a blatantly evil monster.
To me Belos is a villain in the way that he doesn't change, and is stubbornly the exact same as he was from his time period, While everyone around them has accepted change he is the over seer that will not accept. That's always what I thought. He was the personification of archaic thinking. On another note though, YOU'RE DAMN RIGHT AMITY IS THE BEST!
The message is that most people have redeeming qualities, while some people are just evil and unyielding in their way of thinking. And that is real life, you can't always expect people to respond to reason and kindness, if you think otherwise you will be taken advantage of. It's a real and important message- try to look for the good in others, but be careful about who you trust.
The show has enough characters that start out as bad and end up redeeming themselves, is it really such a bad thing that they have one character who refuses to be swayed to being good?
@@detran09 Not at all. It’s a sad truth but one people need to understand that some people are beyond redemption.
Calling it the main message might be a stretch. It was the one where Luz needs to be understood by others, that's what started the whole story. This part is in my opinion really sloppy in children's show standards. First of all, the main villain is not complicated enough to make it sound like he has redeeming qualities and he just choses to go on his path, and he is not fun like many other villains who are just evil.
@@sonoio869 i didnt say that it was the "main message" but it's definitely one that was emphasized. On your other point- you're right, redeeming qualities is what they usually do to make Villains 3 dimensional and since they didn't give so that with this character, they should have given him something else to make him interesting.
I think the idea behind Belos is that while most beings are not pure good or pure evil- they are complex- there are occasionally exceptions so immersed (in the vile direction) that they cannot be redeemed- a bit of a counter to, say, the end of Sailor Moon - Sailor Stars, where you just need to win with 'love'. But in doing so, yes, he became one-note. Even hiding it among a few other things (I won't spoil), they really just threw us off for a second with no payoff. I agree, weaker part of the show, but the show was entertaining, deep enough despite this. I recommend- and I figured you'd largely like it, Doug. Happy to see this reviewed.
Tangent incoming: I did not like Sailor Stars one bit. Nehelenia deserved far worse than what she got for what she put Usagi and her friends through, the Starlights were just Uranus and Neptune version 2.0, and Galaxia was a shit-villain. I know some writers treat their characters like their babies and don't want to let them go, but the big bad should not get redeemed when someone a lot less evil (like cute little Ironmouse) has to die.
Doug, thank you so much for reviewing The Owl House! I’ve been waiting for you to do this for a long time. It’s one of the greatest animated shows Disney has done. But I think you were a little too hard on Belos. Not every character needs to be redeemable. If anything, he kind of reminds me of Judge Claude Follo from Hunchback, where he’s so clouded by his own belief that witches are evil, that he reasons with the people and himself that every horrible thing he does is justified for the good humanity. In the episode “Hollow Minds” where Luz and Hunter go inside Belos’s head, there’s a whole gallery in the background, giving us hints of Belos’s past. Like Gravity Fall, this show leaves a lot of clues and puzzle pieces in the backgrounds that you have to put together yourself. If Disney hadn’t cut The Owl House, so short, we probably would’ve gotten an entire episode that explains Belos’s backstory.
ok you got a few things wrong, 1, luz isn't into awkward things she loves creepy and weird things, that's why she had no human friends cause the stuff she did made all of the humans in Gravesfield hate her, 2, amity was NEVER A BULLY, the way she acted in the first few episodes was all an act and she was just pretending to be that way cause her good for nothing mother forced her to do it, and 3, Belos WAS a good person once, when he was a child, but being indoctrinated into witch hunting and his desire to be accepted and be a hero twisted him into a monster.
This was such a great show. I waited to watch the finale until my friend caught up with it so that we could enjoy it together, it was so good!
I do agree with your point of being bothered by Belos. However I do think they were going to try and make him much more complex and deep than what we see. There is evidence to suggest that. To me its one of the bigger tragedies of this series only being three seasons. There is so much to this world and dare I say this is one of the best Epic series to come out right up there with the Last Airbender. To me Dana Terrace deserve every bit of credit for making this amazing magical world and for backflipping through fire hoops over a shark tank to stick the landing of this shows final season. So many other would phone it in or be so distraught on how to wrap it up that the last season would be panned and hated otherwise. However the Owl House team pulled together and gave a happy teary eyed ending. I'm happy for what we got and overall this series was amazing in everything it did.
On the 3rd day of disneycember the critic gave for me:
3 Broken spells
2 Swapping places
And a weird videogame movie for me
They are three heroes swapping places in the Marvels, that line makes no sense.
@@KombatGodThe Marvels was the second thing covered in Disneycember this year, after Super Mario Bros 1993.
@@TMX1138 and?
I now why he put the 2 there, but he didn't write anything that made sense!
Are you people so easily amused? Just write a number and a random thing from each movie:
1 poison apple
2 crystal slippers
3 genie lamps
4 cheshire cats
5 of deez nuts
It requires no brainpower whatsoever.
@@KombatGod The comment is based on the 12 Days of Christmas song.
Belos is basically Frollo meets Oliver Cromwell from Wolfwalkers. It would've been nice if they'd had time to flesh out his backstory more, and in particular his falling out with Caleb. I would've liked to see his descent into villainy the way we saw with King Magnifico from Wish. But the creators didn't get that time.
To me Belos was fascinating moreso from an allegorical level, not unlike say, Father or Dante from either of the Fullmetal Alchemist anime, but also how the narrative contrasts his goals and intentions with the heroic characters. The kind of character that effectively resides over the whole of the narrative and shapes the entire setting just by existing, the Wizard of Oz of Luz’s Dorothy. Feel like a lot of that is moreso NC (reasonably, it’s regrettable the show was cut short) miffed at how much of Belos’s backstory wasn’t shown outside of the portraits in his head. When watching this series with my cousin he *guessed* his plan and I had a completely different theory. The fact that he pity parties himself before the rug pull is definitely a difference from say, Ozai, who was very outwardly abusive to Zuko, while Belos doing as much as he did to hide his intentions was part of what I found interesting.
The extent of his sinisterness is the kind of thing you’re shocked Disney can get away with. It’s kind of surprising since as I’m aware NC really likes Frollo from Hunchback, a very similar character to Belos but without the mystery element to it. If anything, Belos for me is a clear instance of a pure evil villain being interesting based on the context, prescience and mystery around them moreso than arguing a moral dilemma of their actions.
I honestly thought he was gonna love Belos. If you know this guy, you know he misses really good villains, villain who are savage and irredeemable. The "villains" Disney usually has nowadays are boring and they usually turn to the good side. I thought Belos was gonna remind him of Frollo or something.
Exactly because the truth is that people like Belos are real and anybody could become like him.
Doug sometimes has really bad takes.
Yeah, I’m definitely one of those people who don’t have an issue with Belos. In typical critic fashion, he dislikes something because it’s been overdone.
But I like the irredeemable villain trope. It’s nice to have someone who you don’t have to feel awkward about hating.
One of the most interesting scenes in the climax, is Luz and Co have been befriending the collector. Belos turns up and starts wreaking stuff. The Collector then, following Luz’s example, tries to befriend Belos, and then gets blasted because Belos is beyond it at that point.
I really don’t get what critic is trying to say about how Belos represents only one thing. I just like a good story, and overused or not, the villian trope works with Belos because you do get people in the world who cannot be changed, who will become the monsters they claim to fight.
I enjoyed such villains in the 90’s and I still enjoy such villains now. And Belos works better than many for having a more realistic reason.
I did love how they had Egoraptor playing the big guy in the finale, and reveal he was watching EVERYTHING the whole time.
Makes you picture him doing his gameplay styled commentary like he does in gamegrumps while watching everything xD
I don’t give a shit I love belos. Belos is one of the reasons owl house is one of my fave shows ever. He’s pure evil everyone know it but HIM. He was raised in a time where what he did was praised and seeing he was and orphan no guidance other than his brother which in his eyes betrays him or is taken by the thing he hate. He goes on a murder spree for over 400 years and nothing anyone says will waver him. Even when he’s DYING.
People shout time and time again that they want more pure evil Disney villains but when you give them a pure evil villain they hate it
it wouldn't be a Doug opinion piece if he didn't rag on one thing and make it seem like the show is garbage because of a nit picky thing he wants, even when he tells us the audience he likes something despite his gripes, when he goes on long whinny rants about something he, just sounds like he's talking down to the whole thing, its kind of a problem to have when part of your job is convincing people of how you feel about something
I agree. “Belos is a flat character that feels like he's only there for a message.” That’s pretty much all he had to say
@@cloudlion1610 Yeah, its good of him to admit he might be wrong about it (I personally think theres more going on with Belos than he realizes) but like you said, all he had to say was "look i've got one major beef with this and its _____ and thats it" done in 30 seconds instead of a 4 minute long whining rant that gives the impression his nitpick ruins everything despite him saying otherwise.
Here is a fun fact that always pops in my head whenever someone claims that everyone can and deserves redemption, that no one is purely evil, and its unrealistic that someone can be irredeemable. When I was doing some research on Schindler List I learned that Spielberg had to tone down Amon Goeth's cruelty due to timing and because he thought the audience wouldn't believe that someone that evil could exist, ironically the audience thought the opposite as they thought that Goeth's evil was unrealistic and thought it was exaggerated for the movie. In addition to what he did in the film, he also had a torture chamber where hundred were tortured to death, and had dogs rip his victims apart while still alive. So whenever someone says that the crimes of Belos is unrealistic I immediately remember Schindlers List to remind me why that's BS.
6:24 Frankly there was plenty they could've done with Belos. Like for example have it be he kept draining magic because he was dying and wanted to atleast die in the human world. Have him show that he killed his brother because he felt genuinely betrayed and that his brother abandoned him, have it be that he went to the Boiling Isles and got stuck there, spending years of his life surviving horror after horror only to finally find his brother...and see him making out with a witch, making Belos feel nott only like he left him alone for selfish desires but also that all his suffering was for nothing and that magic stole the one person he genuinely cared about. That would've made him way better.
It would have been an interesting angle for the Boiling Isles to negatively affect humans, giving reason to Belos’ magic use, and something for Luz to deal with later on.
@@jessehcreative Exactly, have there be a draw back. Have it be actually dangerous to be there.
There is more to Belos than what you mentioned. He is a product of his Era and while Luz is all about change and growth and exploring and accepting the unknown. Belos is the opposite, her foil. He is stagnant, unchanging, set in his ways and seeing different as evil.
Luz and Belos are supposed to foil each other. 2 humans who both came to the Demon Realm and had 2 drastically different thoughts and feelings on it.
This series holds a special place in my heart because of all the queer representation. Luz is bisexual, Amity is a lesbian, Raine is non-binary, etc. None of these are treated as special or different, they just exist and people treat them as natural as anything else.
Raine especially never gets misgendered, everyone just treats them as a regular person. Not forced to conform to just one gender, they just are.
Luz and Amity have this huge buildup to their relationship and its done better than most straight relationships in these kinds of shows. Amity, who could have been just a generic bully, shows a softer side and develops this big crush on Luz. Luz develops one on her as well and we get to see these two awkward teens develop into an honestly healthy couple. It's really nice to see.
This show literally glorifies it wym?
The only reason it’s treated as natural because the boiling isles is a knock off California “uptopia”
You can’t be 2 genders unless you’re intersex plain and simple, if Dana wanted Raine to be 2 genders then she should of just made Raine into that so that way he/she could of gotten away with it.
Amity and Luz have horrible chemistry, it’s the typical cliche that they butt heads only for them to fall for each other over the course of time. It’s like you said she’s just a generic bully, with the only thing that protects her from being called out is the alphabet card.
@@George_Fl0yd
I pity people like you.
Why exactly are you using the name of a murder victim, btw?
@@George_Fl0ydI Don’t think so….She ra has gotten call out for its Lesbian relationship being plan toxic? Amity and Luz Relationship is pretty healthy it’s not like they troupe of like “fuck the homies” or “break up over dumb misconception”
@@sidnew2739 no matter how bad my life my 2nd life may be I’ll always be grateful that i didn’t turn out to be a pathetic manchild like you
@@Yami-mugoni613 A bully falling in love with someone she use to bully is the opposite of healthy
Also, I understand where you’re coming from with how you view Belos, but I don’t agree with it. He is pure evil but I found him to be genuinely engaging and intimidating throughout the story. Belos could never really be saved because he represents an era and way of thinking that no one now (hopefully no one) can relate to. I don’t think he’s like O Hare from the Lorax movie at all. In that one, they were attempting to make O Hare funny and pure evil but ended up just making him unbearable. Belos is purely meant to be scary. To affect the world and characters with his every action. In a vacuum Belos would be a bad villain but in the context of the show he serves his purpose pretty well.
Also, you should see the community centered around Lumity. Some of the most un ironic fun I’ve ever had looking through fan fiction and fan art
Yeah, the only faults to this production were that Disney cut it short. I'm sure Dana Terrace had a whole backstory for Belos that would've explained more of his indoctrination into Witchhunting as well as what happened between him and his brother, but again, the Disney executives, almost without warning just pulled Dana aside and told her they were cancelling the show because "It doesn't fit the brand." That is something the creator revealed on social media, so yeah, what was going to be more of a mystery to be explored further across seasons was unceremoniously dropped because the idiots at the top decided this wasn't fit for their Christian Minecraft server. I mean.... Chadwick Boseman had to fight to give T'challa an African accent, and while the argument from the top was "we're afraid audiences won't be able to understand him," yeah, I'm gonna say that's a little suspect. I mean... given that people like Jackie Chan and Arnold Schwartzenegger both became popular, and Arnold's even iconic for his, I don't think that argument holds any water, so when they say The Owl House doesn't fit their brand, I have a feeling they mean something else. Perhaps that is more speculative, but seeing how poorly this was treated compared to other shows and movies that do fit "the brand" I can't help but wonder if perhaps there isn't more than a few biases and prejudice within the opinions of the top brass.
Anyway, I honestly, still think Belos is fine. If we can enjoy Maleficent as a character and villain, then why not Belos? I don't think OG Disney movies gave too much motivation to their villains, they kinda just were evil. True, it is nice to see even those characters fleshed out more, but at the same time I think that also speaks true to life as well because you don't always, if ever, get to understand why some people, groups or organizations treat you with the malice that they do, even when you're a heterosexual, cisgender male. Some people just seem to hate and we never really get to know why. Sometimes they come up and face you down, and you just have to deal with them. You don't get a reason. You just have to fight or fly, and sometimes you don't even get that courtesy; sometimes it's boiled down to fight or die, and Belos was very much that threat. Belos was that evil that is very real, that prejudice without reason that you want to understand, but you never get the chance because, much like the Disney execs, he doesn't give you the opportunity or time.
So yeah, in all honesty, it is disappointing not to see Belos all fleshed out like the other characters, it's also quite fitting, especially with the ending and how much pain you can see Luz is in to just see Belos still full of hate. She didn't want to fight him; she even turns her back on him because she could never hold that kind of hate for anybody, so her friends have to step in to see the job done. She only fought so that she and her friends could survive and live. Meanwhile, Belos just stayed as he was, too rooted to his misguided ideals, so much so that he died with them. It's regrettable, yes, but sometimes that's just what life gives you, what it leaves you with, a want to understand with no true answers.
Still, and to leave things on a much lighter note, there are those who are willing to answer, willing to change, and willing to lift you up, and that's what we should focus on. We may never get to understand hatred or prejudice, but there are those that help us understand love and acceptance, and I think I'd rather come to know that experience if given the choice. As curious as I am, I'd rather be forced to let go of negativity I don't understand than to lose all the positives I have, whether I understand those or not.
The show is great and still deserves a lot more credit, I can also see your problem with Belos as I had a friend I spoke to who definitely wanted more from him being the bad guy, I also know that the series getting cut where it did didn't help either, as they found out halfway through second season (the first 10 episodes of season 2 was planned normally while the second half was in "shoving what they could after the rewrites" while still planning a shorter "3rd season". Basically there was no more time to develop Belos since we still had to talk more about the Collector, the connection between the Collector and King as well as who King really was. The team did what they could, a lot of the things when it comes to Belos can be revealed with just particular things in the background without any true redeeming qualities, but considering the assumption of the time he was raised around(the witch trial era), the direction they went to make sense but I think if given a proper 3rd season we could have gotten a lot more reasoning and more reveals as I was pretty sure a character that was mentioned was supposed to get an actual speaking role but it's been a while since I've read all of that.
TLDR; Show is great, Belos definitely needed more but for what we got its fine, definitely needed more seasons to this series because it's that good and even Disney admitted they messed up when it was too late. Just look at the Disney channel RUclips and see how many times The Owl House was watched compared to anything else on that Channel.
I’ll be honest, I don’t see Belos as a commentary. He no doubt is but… I like when a villain is just vile. Would be nice if perhaps he was a bit more humanized but still beyond redemption.
But something about all his maniuplation and twisted rewriting of the world’s history and peoples’ minds is… kinda chilling to me.
While I do love this show, I'd say my issue isn't the big bad, if anything, is the initial setting: the show kinda feel like it had like, 4 or 5 pilots, struggling to finally find its footing (then again, given the themes of trying to find yourself and what you want to be, it's oddly fitting).
But one thing I connected DEEPLY, is how Luz doesn't have the inherent magic other beings in the Boiling Isles have, so she has to find her own way.
Why?
I make cartoons and illustrations, I really love it, and I even had the chance to meet some execs to pitch my ideas. But I don't come from any art school, I kinda arrived late to this world, and I see around me and there are these awesome artists who went to colleges or even already have some experience in productions, and have knowledge I don't.
So I tried to learn from some of them what I could and try to practice on my own even when I don't have the same foundations of others, and yeah, I see myself in a lot of Luz: not being "born with it" or having the same skills as others, but adapting what I can to make a style on my own that might not be the same as others, but I like to think it has some worth.
Who else wants a King Plushie?
Belos had multiple episodes that were gonna be dedicated to him but they had to be cut once season three was reduced to three episodes. I’m guessing they decided they rather use their time developing the main characters and completing the arc they already had in motion
I hate the fact that people also ignored this masterpiece
I can't believe I've been watching nostalgia critic for over 12 years and I just noticed there is no nostalgia critic episodes for Harry Potter, not even a summary of the hold series
I think they would’ve given bellos a good backstory IF they’d been given more time. As it is they just were given three hour-long episodes for season 3. There’s actually some lore that bellos’ brother ‘replaced’ him with this world and he learned to hate magic because of it. At the very least it’s cannon that he killed his brother and that Hunter is made from his bones. I think the reason why is because he loves his brother and couldn’t bare to see him corrupted by magic
To be honest when I first saw this show I got more of a Dark Crystal out of this. Didn't think about it like a combination of Beetlejuice and Kiki's Delivery Service.
That said on the third day of disneycember the critic gave to me:
Three outcast characters
Two more captain marvels
And ONE MONKEY MEME!!!
I can honestly believe that Luz wouldn't have been able to make friends with kids her own age specifically because her hometown has a moderately small-town feel to it. I only live around seven miles from my state's capital, but until high school, there were extraordinarily few kids who were willing to sit together at lunch if they weren't popular, because it drew more attention to them if they did, rather than sitting separately, or hurrying to eat and leave the lunchroom to find someplace else to hide. Even among the nerdiest in my schools from Kindergarten up to 8th grade, Luz would have stood out far enough that it would have made those who shared some interests wary of being associated. Once high school came along, the numbers of kids in each year grew enough (with fewer high schools than schools for younger children) that Luz might have been fine... but that was even at a moderately decently-sized high school, not a large one like on either coast in big cities. If the city she was from was further from other major population centers and itself had a smaller population like it looks like, well, Luz would definitely stand way out.
I tried watching this show, and it didn’t immediately grab me. Season 1 was boring, honestly. Season 2? I BINGED IT IN A WEEK. Season 2 is one of the tightest written seasons I’ve seen for any animated series. I was HOOKED. Season 3 was as best of a wrap up as they could have under the circumstances.
I’m at least glad we have the Owl House.
So glad that he loved Amity as a character. It was such a breath of fresh air to watch a character go through so much development in such an efficient amount of time. In the first season, you can see her slightly changing for the better with every one of her appearances and it really added so much to the show. She became the Marceline of the show for me. A character that doesn’t appear in every episode but the episodes she appears in are made better just by her presence alone. Her relationship with Luz was also one of the best developed relationships I’ve ever seen in a show. Every step in their progression was executed to perfection and they’re absolutely adorable together on top of it.
Wtf are you talking about she’s one of the most unlikeable characters imagineable with nothing about her that was enjoyable in the slighest, everytime she was in there it made the already awful
Show worse. The fact that ppl are obsessing over 2 kids is disgusting af, the terrible hallmark movies have better chemistry than those 2 idiots do.
The fact that he loves Amity and doesn't know she's voiced by Katara from Last Airbender... while also comparing Belos to Ozai.
Any short comings in the development of Belos as a character is the result of the show runners having to cut stuff out for time. As you observed, they had to squeeze a lot in to the last few episodes. Naturally this means some characters are not going to get as much attention as they deserve or the writers would like. They had a choice of who's development to sacrifice. I think they chose wisely.
The magic that uses is very simple to paper talisman. Spells are written on paper in advance, and then the paper is burned when the magic is used.
You know halfway through the making of season 2, the writers were notified that the show was getting cancelled. & because of that, the network refuse to The Owl House a real 3rd season, And as a result of that fans tried to get the network to reconsider by trending on Twitter & signing online petitions but the network refuse to listen. Then when season 3 premiered on Disney channel's RUclips channel, Disney finally realized that this actually has an audience & regret not supporting this show, & now it's too late. And that's so frustrating.😠
I think part of the reason why Belos was so under developed was probably partially due to the fact the show lost an entire season's worth of potential development. They had to rush the ending since Disney execs felt it wasn't doing well enough and wanted to cancel it and didn't realize their mistake until it was too late.