The whole point of Watchmen is that nobody has supernatural powers apart from Dr Manhattan. Watchmen is saying that the whole notion of super heroes is silly. So why on earth would these morons create a story where Dr Manhattan has a fight with Superman? How utterly ridiculous.
I think watchmen ushered in an era of “dark gritty” comics along with DKR. It’s more a meta commentary on optimism in comics versus despair in comics, but I totally understand and relate to your point
@@TBATB Oh ok. Maybe I will try Doomsday then! But because I'm an Alan Moore fan - and respect his politics and hatred of the corporate machine - I fear I will hate it. I hope it's not an excuse to just make more profit. I hope it's a good story, with something important to say. Thanks for the reply. 👍
@@JohnnyComelately-eb5zv I feel that way strongly it up before watchmen there’s not much in there that I think is worth it even though I’ll read anything Darwin Cook had his fingerprints on. But I do like doomsday clock. I’m a massive Allen fan and my next video should feature him and my favorite of his works but it’s hard because there’s not much of his work he still likes or has his name on. As I said in the video, all you should do is read watchmen and enjoy. It’s an amazing story. That being said if you’re curious doomsday clock, I think is the best of what you can read but just remember it’s more of a met commentary about why Superman is important in comics then it is a direct watchmen sequel.
@@TBATB I think I will try it. The art looks great. I will read it with an open mind! My Alan Moore favourites are - Watchmen, V for Vendetta, Saga of the Swamp Thing, From Hell (colour version) League of Extraordinary Gentlemen Volume 1 and 2, Tom Strong and Providence (but only if you've read H.P Lovecraft) and perhaps Miracleman. When I can afford to buy some more, I would like to try The Ballad of Halo Jones, his two small Superman stories, Top Ten omnibus. I thought the Killing Joke was o.k but slight compared to some of his other stuff. And I thought Promethea had beautiful art but the story was a bit cringe and to be honest, terrible! I haven't read any of his other stuff but the man was and still is a prolific writer. Good luck with the next video!
I love how it starts off with "just read Watchmen, and maybe the Before Watchmen stuff you're interested in" to fucking BATMANHATTEN...Alan Moore's already brewing up a powerful curse on DC, now he's supercharging it
Fantastic overview! I would add the first ‘Titans’ story arc ‘Titans Vol. 1: The Return of Wally West’ because in features a certain blue Watchmen character.
Great video love how your giving the full reading order. As a new reader it can get really confusing for were to start and what to read next. Any chance you could do an dc or marvel omnibus reading order
wow, incredible video, didn't even know about all this stuff and have been debating picking up scott snyder justice league, now I want to get all of these other ones too
If anyone’s curious, here’s a combined Before Watchmen/Watchmen reading order (not recommend for first time Watchmen readers): Before Watchmen: Minutemen #1-4 Before Watchmen: Dollar Bill #1 Before Watchmen: Minutemen #5-6 Before Watchmen: Nite Owl #1 Before Watchmen: Ozymandias #1-3 Before Watchmen: Comedian #1-3 Before Watchmen: Ozymandias #4 Before Watchmen: Silk Spectre #1-4 Before Watchmen: Nite Owl #2-4 Before Watchmen: Comedian #4-6 Before Watchmen: Moloch #1 Before Watchmen: Ozymandias #5 Before Watchmen: Rorschach #1-4 Before Watchmen: Ozymandias #6 Watchmen #1-4 Before Watchmen: Dr. Manhattan #1-4 Watchmen #5 Before Watchmen: Moloch #2 Watchmen #6-12
Wow! You waited until the veeeeery end to mention the phenomenal HBO Watchmen miniseries! It was such a good, unique sequel to the original comic and I don't think it gets nearly enough credit. It's one of my favorite TV shows of the last decade. Also! The Rorschach series by Tom King and Jorge Fornes! It came out alongside Strange Adventures, also by Tom King, and a lot of people seemed to skip Rorschach, but that was another really good book! To call it "a Watchmen sequel" is definitely not doing it justice...it was a really good look at legacy and mental illness (because Tom King), wrapped up in a cool retro political thriller. I loved it
It definitely feels like Johns' Golden Age/JSA book is set up to be the conclusion to all of his Watchmen work. The cover for issue 3 has the JSA tied to a clock 😂
Here's the correct reading order. The original comic, and nothing else. It was a complete series, had a start, middle and end and didn't need anything else. The rest doesn't matter. I recently read Doomsday Clock and the Watchmen parts were unneeded. They could have done that story without bringing in Watchmen, and they could just do new things instead of draining this awesome comic like a parasite. Read the original comic, ignore everything else.
I don’t think you’re supposed to read doomsday clock as a sequel to watchmen, I think doomsday clock is a Meta commentary on why Superman as a character still matters and is relevant in a post watchmen Comic Book landscape. If you watch the video, I clearly say that all you need to do is read watchmen, but I didn’t want to be a resource in case anyone didn’t want to read any of DC ridings watchmen’s corpse.
You forgot about the best Watchmen rip-off! ‘Rorschach’ by Tom King is BY FAR the best thing that came out of Watchmen’s legacy. It is (imo) the best thing King has ever written, incorporating real life comic book history (like Frank Miller and Steve Ditko) and Watchmen lore in a political murder thriller. It has more dialogue than action and it is very grounded, grim and realistic, so very different than anything else that DC puts out. It is completely separate from the DC universe, taking place entirely in the Watchmen world. Also, the art is great, very David Mazzuchelli-like. Watching the HBO sequel series beforehand is nice, but not necessary by any means, although I’d also recommend watching that, because both of these outings are far better than all the DC/Watchmen crossovers. Other than that, very nice video 👍
Honestly, at the time of the video, even though I’m a massive Tom King fan I hadn’t read it yet! Since then, I’ve read it twice and both times I feel like I don’t have enough background knowledge on the comic book writers to understand all the inside jokes so I think it’s amazing but I think it’s not for me yet until I do more history and deep diving on the characters of Steve Dio and his philosophies and Frank Miller and all of that stuff because it felt like hearing a hilarious inside joke that I didn’t know the context for.
@@TBATB just check their Wikipedia pages for a bit and you’ll be fine. King here personifies some themes and philosophies that are embedded in key entries in the comic book medium (thus fitting the theme of him writing a contribution to THE key entry in the comic book medium, namely Watchmen) and lets them play out in a thriller scenario, while also parodying and exaggerating these persons/philosophies, rather than him just telling a plain story. Yeah, it’s quite layered, so I understand it’s a bit niche and not for everybody. Apart from all this, I suspect it’s still a good read, but I can’t be sure because I took to the internet during my first read, which really helped me appreciate the story for what it was. Cool that you guys still respond to old videos btw 😁
It’s hard work but I still try to respond to every single comment 😂 my philosophy is if you spent the time to write something to me the least I can do is respond at least once back! To me the community side of RUclips is the most important so I gotta respond with my community as much as I can!
I think if you’re looking for a sequel to watchmen it’s not great. But if you’re looking for a story about why Superman is still important in comics in a post watchmen landscape it’s amazing with incredible art!
Just got my copy of Doomsday Clock today. Amazon didn't screw it up despite coming in one of those white and blue bags with a rip top. I'll make sure to add this video to my favorites so I can come back to it for later.
DC released, a while back, the Watchmen Companion. Parts of this book were originally published in the late 80s. This book gives a timeline of Watchmen events and the Alan Moore-approved RPG modules. Not required reading, but a lot of fun.
So what you're saying to me is to NOT read Flashpoint AND Flashpoint Beyond (because it's trash) and just leave at that, right? I have Watchmen, DC Rebirth, The Button, and Doomsday Clock, I think I'm all goood with just these.
Legit comic industry just needs to be this story beginning to end thats it no more batmans or superman unless every 10 years a new version so there a huge nreathing room
Great video , i am looking to start reading comics with watchken series, So do I have to read the "before Watchmen" prequel to read before watchmen? Watchmen really need a read guide fore newbies lol , its so confusing
Dammit, I have to buy Flashpoint Omnibus now because I have _Rebirth_ but not _The Button_ . Wait, does the Absolute Flashpoint have the same stuff as the Omnibus or not?
The flashpoint omnibus does not include rebirth or the button their separate books. Absolute flashpoint has everything that’s in the main flashpoint story, but none of the spinoffs if you want to complete flashpoint story with all the spinoffs, you should get the omnibus, but if you just want the main flashpoint storyline you can get the absolute.
@@TBATB I already have the Absolute but I haven't opened it yet (reading time is hard to come by these days). And it turns out I DO have _The Button_ I just haven't read it yet. So what else does the omnibus have that the Absolute doesn't?
This was a pretty early video for me! In the beginning it was hard to thread the line between context for a story and what someone would consider a spoiler. But if you watch more recent videos, I’m a lot better at it
@@TBATB Ok so, as someone with a mild interest in comic-books for their cultural significance... I sort-of see the medium dying. And a bunch of it is slop (which is not a problem, it's not supposed to be high entertainment). But, for non-comicbook fans, which would you reccomend as simply good fiction? Good stories, intelligent writing, etc. Not a top 10, not the most popular works. Just what is truly engaging.
I read the first issue when it came out and I absolutely loved it but it’s so hard being a collect additions reader because I love Tom King and he’s my favorite writer so I should definitely pick up Rorschach but I’m also wanting to wait for a deluxe edition, so we can go next to watchmen on my bookshelf
I was waiting for someone to do a proper Watchmen reading order, thanks so much and keep up the great work.
Haha I tried to make everyone happy 😂 and be as complete as possible
I'm with beginning-Of-the-video Jake, the Watchmen reading order is Watchmen
But nothing ever ends 🥺
The whole point of Watchmen is that nobody has supernatural powers apart from Dr Manhattan. Watchmen is saying that the whole notion of super heroes is silly. So why on earth would these morons create a story where Dr Manhattan has a fight with Superman? How utterly ridiculous.
I think watchmen ushered in an era of “dark gritty” comics along with DKR. It’s more a meta commentary on optimism in comics versus despair in comics, but I totally understand and relate to your point
@@TBATB Oh ok. Maybe I will try Doomsday then! But because I'm an Alan Moore fan - and respect his politics and hatred of the corporate machine - I fear I will hate it. I hope it's not an excuse to just make more profit. I hope it's a good story, with something important to say. Thanks for the reply. 👍
@@JohnnyComelately-eb5zv I feel that way strongly it up before watchmen there’s not much in there that I think is worth it even though I’ll read anything Darwin Cook had his fingerprints on. But I do like doomsday clock. I’m a massive Allen fan and my next video should feature him and my favorite of his works but it’s hard because there’s not much of his work he still likes or has his name on.
As I said in the video, all you should do is read watchmen and enjoy. It’s an amazing story. That being said if you’re curious doomsday clock, I think is the best of what you can read but just remember it’s more of a met commentary about why Superman is important in comics then it is a direct watchmen sequel.
@@TBATB I think I will try it. The art looks great. I will read it with an open mind!
My Alan Moore favourites are - Watchmen, V for Vendetta, Saga of the Swamp Thing, From Hell (colour version) League of Extraordinary Gentlemen Volume 1 and 2, Tom Strong and Providence (but only if you've read H.P Lovecraft) and perhaps Miracleman.
When I can afford to buy some more, I would like to try The Ballad of Halo Jones, his two small Superman stories, Top Ten omnibus.
I thought the Killing Joke was o.k but slight compared to some of his other stuff. And I thought Promethea had beautiful art but the story was a bit cringe and to be honest, terrible!
I haven't read any of his other stuff but the man was and still is a prolific writer.
Good luck with the next video!
I am gonna stick to Watchmen... Thanks
Good choice!
I love how it starts off with "just read Watchmen, and maybe the Before Watchmen stuff you're interested in" to fucking BATMANHATTEN...Alan Moore's already brewing up a powerful curse on DC, now he's supercharging it
Haha this video was a spiral into insanity
Thank you because honestly I was confused as hell 🥲
Glad I could help!
Fantastic overview! I would add the first ‘Titans’ story arc ‘Titans Vol. 1: The Return of Wally West’ because in features a certain blue Watchmen character.
You are 100% correct!
Dude didn’t even talk about “Rorschach,” an actual series in the actual Watchmen universe.
I try to read a lot, but I haven’t read everything! I also wanted to include the tv show and cut it for time.
Great video love how your giving the full reading order. As a new reader it can get really confusing for were to start and what to read next. Any chance you could do an dc or marvel omnibus reading order
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wow, incredible video, didn't even know about all this stuff and have been debating picking up scott snyder justice league, now I want to get all of these other ones too
Snyder Justice league is like 90% amazing! I love it so much!
This was such a wonderful video to watch!
Thank you for the love and joy you and Jordan obviously put into it!
Thank you so much! I try to give each video my absolute all ❤️
If anyone’s curious, here’s a combined Before Watchmen/Watchmen reading order (not recommend for first time Watchmen readers):
Before Watchmen: Minutemen #1-4
Before Watchmen: Dollar Bill #1
Before Watchmen: Minutemen #5-6
Before Watchmen: Nite Owl #1
Before Watchmen: Ozymandias #1-3
Before Watchmen: Comedian #1-3
Before Watchmen: Ozymandias #4
Before Watchmen: Silk Spectre #1-4
Before Watchmen: Nite Owl #2-4
Before Watchmen: Comedian #4-6
Before Watchmen: Moloch #1
Before Watchmen: Ozymandias #5
Before Watchmen: Rorschach #1-4
Before Watchmen: Ozymandias #6
Watchmen #1-4
Before Watchmen: Dr. Manhattan #1-4
Watchmen #5
Before Watchmen: Moloch #2
Watchmen #6-12
Haha this is actually awesome and now I was to try it lol 😂
It's simple to read "Watchmen": star with issue 1, and finish with issue 12. 🎉
Gensius 🤯
Where does Shitty Watchmen take place in the timeline?
All the except the original 12 issue series. Anything else is either fan fiction or a shameless cash grab.
Wow! You waited until the veeeeery end to mention the phenomenal HBO Watchmen miniseries! It was such a good, unique sequel to the original comic and I don't think it gets nearly enough credit. It's one of my favorite TV shows of the last decade.
Also! The Rorschach series by Tom King and Jorge Fornes! It came out alongside Strange Adventures, also by Tom King, and a lot of people seemed to skip Rorschach, but that was another really good book! To call it "a Watchmen sequel" is definitely not doing it justice...it was a really good look at legacy and mental illness (because Tom King), wrapped up in a cool retro political thriller. I loved it
I know I loved the show and had a whole section talking about it but I had to cut it for time. Thanks for watching dude! Means the world to me!
I love Doomsday Clock as much as I love watchmen, probably because of the Superman importance to the DC universe.
It definitely feels like Johns' Golden Age/JSA book is set up to be the conclusion to all of his Watchmen work. The cover for issue 3 has the JSA tied to a clock 😂
Oh that’s awesome! I had no idea has it started yet?
Here's the correct reading order.
The original comic, and nothing else. It was a complete series, had a start, middle and end and didn't need anything else. The rest doesn't matter. I recently read Doomsday Clock and the Watchmen parts were unneeded. They could have done that story without bringing in Watchmen, and they could just do new things instead of draining this awesome comic like a parasite. Read the original comic, ignore everything else.
I don’t think you’re supposed to read doomsday clock as a sequel to watchmen, I think doomsday clock is a Meta commentary on why Superman as a character still matters and is relevant in a post watchmen Comic Book landscape. If you watch the video, I clearly say that all you need to do is read watchmen, but I didn’t want to be a resource in case anyone didn’t want to read any of DC ridings watchmen’s corpse.
I recommend adding Peter Cannon: Thunderbolt & Grant Morrison’s Pax Americana to the watchlist
I have to check this out!
You forgot about the best Watchmen rip-off! ‘Rorschach’ by Tom King is BY FAR the best thing that came out of Watchmen’s legacy. It is (imo) the best thing King has ever written, incorporating real life comic book history (like Frank Miller and Steve Ditko) and Watchmen lore in a political murder thriller. It has more dialogue than action and it is very grounded, grim and realistic, so very different than anything else that DC puts out. It is completely separate from the DC universe, taking place entirely in the Watchmen world. Also, the art is great, very David Mazzuchelli-like. Watching the HBO sequel series beforehand is nice, but not necessary by any means, although I’d also recommend watching that, because both of these outings are far better than all the DC/Watchmen crossovers. Other than that, very nice video 👍
Honestly, at the time of the video, even though I’m a massive Tom King fan I hadn’t read it yet! Since then, I’ve read it twice and both times I feel like I don’t have enough background knowledge on the comic book writers to understand all the inside jokes so I think it’s amazing but I think it’s not for me yet until I do more history and deep diving on the characters of Steve Dio and his philosophies and Frank Miller and all of that stuff because it felt like hearing a hilarious inside joke that I didn’t know the context for.
@@TBATB just check their Wikipedia pages for a bit and you’ll be fine. King here personifies some themes and philosophies that are embedded in key entries in the comic book medium (thus fitting the theme of him writing a contribution to THE key entry in the comic book medium, namely Watchmen) and lets them play out in a thriller scenario, while also parodying and exaggerating these persons/philosophies, rather than him just telling a plain story. Yeah, it’s quite layered, so I understand it’s a bit niche and not for everybody. Apart from all this, I suspect it’s still a good read, but I can’t be sure because I took to the internet during my first read, which really helped me appreciate the story for what it was. Cool that you guys still respond to old videos btw 😁
It’s hard work but I still try to respond to every single comment 😂 my philosophy is if you spent the time to write something to me the least I can do is respond at least once back!
To me the community side of RUclips is the most important so I gotta respond with my community as much as I can!
Can I read the TP version of Flashpoint and still understand the story and see dr.manhattan in it?
Flashpoint doesn’t have Dr Manhattan in it exactly so you can read the trade but later on he ties in!
Is doomsday clock worth reading?
I think if you’re looking for a sequel to watchmen it’s not great. But if you’re looking for a story about why Superman is still important in comics in a post watchmen landscape it’s amazing with incredible art!
Just got my copy of Doomsday Clock today. Amazon didn't screw it up despite coming in one of those white and blue bags with a rip top. I'll make sure to add this video to my favorites so I can come back to it for later.
I’d love to hear your thoughts!!
Come gather round people wherever you are
And admit that the waters around you have grown
Great vid but that music was distracting with one clicking sound that kept repeating every 3 seconds
Thanks for the feedback! I’ll make sure to fix it in the next one
Messed up about Alan Moore. I enjoyed his work on Angela, and Watchmen is pretty sick
He is truly a genius.
I been meaning to get these watch men books.
They are awesome!
Loots of stuff😊
Shoot watchmen makes most of dc
So true
Subscribed. Nice job.
Thanks for the sub!
No Rorschach by King included as a bonus?
Tom king is my favorite writer but sadly I haven’t read it yet! Didn’t feel right to include it with out reading it first!
Well-done sir!
....and breath! ✌️
🫁 😮💨
DC released, a while back, the Watchmen Companion. Parts of this book were originally published in the late 80s. This book gives a timeline of Watchmen events and the Alan Moore-approved RPG modules. Not required reading, but a lot of fun.
Ah that sounds cool!
Just read Alan Moore's The Watchmen, skip all the shit
Haha I definitely say to do that in the video!
@@TBATB I knoiw. I wrote it before finishing the video lol
Haha hope you enjoyed it!
Ozymandias …. super-speed, anyone??
1-12.
Haha 😂 same tho
So what you're saying to me is to NOT read Flashpoint AND Flashpoint Beyond (because it's trash) and just leave at that, right?
I have Watchmen, DC Rebirth, The Button, and Doomsday Clock, I think I'm all goood with just these.
Haha I think that sounds pretty accurate! Maybe throw in Rorschach
Legit comic industry just needs to be this story beginning to end thats it no more batmans or superman unless every 10 years a new version so there a huge nreathing room
True!
Great video , i am looking to start reading comics with watchken series,
So do I have to read the "before Watchmen" prequel to read before watchmen?
Watchmen really need a read guide fore newbies lol , its so confusing
All you have to do is read watchmen after that you can go to Before watchmen or the TV show!
@@TBATB oh I see so prequel comics are not necessary right . At which point can I watch the Watchmen movie
Dammit, I have to buy Flashpoint Omnibus now because I have _Rebirth_ but not _The Button_ . Wait, does the Absolute Flashpoint have the same stuff as the Omnibus or not?
The flashpoint omnibus does not include rebirth or the button their separate books. Absolute flashpoint has everything that’s in the main flashpoint story, but none of the spinoffs if you want to complete flashpoint story with all the spinoffs, you should get the omnibus, but if you just want the main flashpoint storyline you can get the absolute.
@@TBATB I already have the Absolute but I haven't opened it yet (reading time is hard to come by these days). And it turns out I DO have _The Button_ I just haven't read it yet. So what else does the omnibus have that the Absolute doesn't?
Don’t watch the TV show
Great Video Overall. Only thing I didn't like were the spoilers laid throughout.
This was a pretty early video for me! In the beginning it was hard to thread the line between context for a story and what someone would consider a spoiler. But if you watch more recent videos, I’m a lot better at it
@@TBATB Well it is alright. I like the content on the channel overall and I appreciate the reply!
Just read Watchmen, that's it. Everything else is variations of crap.
That’s a big part of what I say in the video!
@@TBATB Ok so, as someone with a mild interest in comic-books for their cultural significance... I sort-of see the medium dying. And a bunch of it is slop (which is not a problem, it's not supposed to be high entertainment). But, for non-comicbook fans, which would you reccomend as simply good fiction? Good stories, intelligent writing, etc. Not a top 10, not the most popular works. Just what is truly engaging.
The optimal reading order is Watchmen, followed by, Watchmen, and so on
Good point! Did you check out my latest video on my favorite Alan Moore Reads?
@@TBATB nope, but I shall. Mr Moore is the local legend here in my hometown Northampton, UK. A very eccentric man but so lovely, always says hello
any thoughts on Rorschach yet?
I read the first issue when it came out and I absolutely loved it but it’s so hard being a collect additions reader because I love Tom King and he’s my favorite writer so I should definitely pick up Rorschach but I’m also wanting to wait for a deluxe edition, so we can go next to watchmen on my bookshelf
Let’s get 650
678 now!
😂😂 10/10 video
❤️ ur the best