You and Steele are a dying breed. Everyone wants to be smooth this days, everyone want flow. You, Steele and Jevinfpv always remind me the joy and freedom of fpv. Other style are too coreographic.
@@mariomedina311 I think it's more like skating in the 90's you had your favourite styles. koston was very different to Thomas but they both were street skating and both insane. Same with the freestyle variations it's all fun to watch and you just lean in on what your flavor is.
I have run really low rates with no expo for a good while now. Recently I've upped my rates but still no expo... Mine are currently in the 600-700 range.... I've ran really high rates in the past (1200) as well... The thing I've found through all of it though, and no matter how good you are, high rates result in a lot of corrections, because no matter how good you are you will over rotate and have to correct. That over rotating can happen at most any rate point, but the likelihood is much higher as the rate value increases. I'm glad to see you out making content again and love to see people buck the trend and do their own thing. Keep ripping brother!
You’re spot on Stacey. It is super difficult to stop that much momentum sometimes. I usually try to immediately add a turn or something to take the eyes away from it or I just keep sending with no regard haha. That’s what I’m here to do man! Good to see you back at it as well. Thanks so much! Stay safe down there. Glad y’all made it through relatively unscathed.
Oh man! This spot is pretty rad. Stumbled on it looking for local schools. Two sheriff’s pulled in mid rip to have lunch and didn’t say anything. Probably gonna be a regular spot for me going forward lol. Thanks so much Adam. Have a great weekend buddy.
Thanks so much no expo is where it is Wii. 😊 Feel more one with the quad turns are sharper and the low to the ground flips rolls and even pull outs so much better I like it ❤
@@Natures_Barista no way not ever! It’s my life, literally. I just need some time away to reset my game plan going forward. Really glad you stuck in there. Thanks so much and have a wonderful weekend!
Great great lesson brother. Keep up the amazing work so you went stealing that tunnel. I could imagine shitting up that hatch with my doctor all man pick up the great work guys.
My main man! Great seeing you. Loved your last post. Would be super awesome to come out and rip with you in the future. Thanks good buddy! Have a good one.
Hell Yeah!!! 2 vids in a week 😊For me its great to hear your reasons on why you choose what your using. Everyones flow and style should be personal, i love the low and fast as hell stuff but i cant do the zero expo, my fingers shake to much😂 so i adjusted. Same with high rates i found i was mid sticking it to roll and if i lowered the rates i could just bang it to the end and hold for .5 sec and i know itll alway be level, then I can focus on trying not to hit things in between 🤣🤣🤣
Haha! Imma try to get back to a regular schedule. Been too long. Yeah, I get that. Unfortunately my tone sent the wrong message on this one. Lots of folks seem to kinda take it as a jab. There was a jabby comment but was more of a dialog about why I run high rates. Understand why you run what you do and it makes sense. Thanks so much!
@@PhantomFPV @PhantomFPV it's funny that it was taken like that, maybe it's cause I've watched all your content In a row, but then going through the comments I picked up other tips and things to try. So win win. 😂
I run no expo but i run low rates. It gives me 100% control and buttery footage. I kinda feel the opposite of you i saw that at 750° i watched 3 full packs and i never hit the edge of my stick. So i felt like i was just cheating myself out of resolution. But i can still do any proxy trick anyone can. I feel it makes me faster if the quads slower if that makes sense. And on saves it actually makes me less bobbly and i save it more. But its w.e anybody wants to do. Just saying you dont HAVE to have high rates to do it. Its wichever works for you.
Hmmm, Imma argue with you a little here Austin. Don’t take this the wrong way as you’re one of my main homies. There isn’t anyone (that I’ve seen) banging out the stuff I am as tight and close to sheet as I am except for maybe less than 5 bros. Not sure if your comment about “anyone” had me lumped in or not. I’ll also go out on a limb and agree, I can 1000% pull any stunt I want at significantly lower rates, even in the 400 range. However, this leave zero room for error or ability to spot your next line when you’re flying 60mph in a highly congested environment. I run 50+ uptilt and don’t speed ramp period. I keep it 100 with everything I do. I’ll also go out on a limb and challenge someone, anyone to replicate some of the stuff I’m pulling, even Lumpy (he was one of my first subscribers btw). I can say this, because I’ve worked tirelessly learning every trick there is to learn. There isn’t anything I won’t try or can’t pull off…maybe😜. To the core, my rates are in line with the speeds I fly proportionate to the proximity of hard object I fly around. Again, I ain’t the king of FPV, but I can about guarantee you not too many folks are in the same zone. Again, no hard feelings as I say in the video, rates are very personalized. P.S. you’re killing the game! Watched your last edit and it was absolutely amazing. Stay in it brotha man, and I hope your fam is doing well too. ❤️❤️❤️ Love you Austin!
@PhantomFPV no I wasn't saying I do it closer or anything like that. I was just saying that yes your points are valid but that's not the only way to get the same things done. And that it doesn't work for everyone but those people can still get it done in other ways. We don't even really do the same shit so I could say that in the other direction too so that's irrelevant but you're kind of a monster so what I'm saying is yes, all that is true for you. But alot of people can't do it and maintain control. So it's okay for them to fly lower rates if they need too as well, they can still do anything.
@@austinspired big bro! I totally and 100% agree! I wasn't suggesting people fly like me, my bad man. I was just talking through why I fly all crazy with high rates. You're spot on, no WAY I would recommend people fly my rates lol. Never get context or inflection with text. Keep ripping mang and please keep hitting me with that feedback.
Better than everyone, but maybe 5 dudes....? That's BOLD statement, but shit baby, you dig it the most! Your flying might be difficult to pull off, but man, it sure is hard to watch. I get a headache just watching. Lol, I appreciate the work though! Nice flying I think there's enough room in this hobby for all kinds of flight styles. What I want to see are the 5 other guys that you were mentioning, and let's have ourselves an FPV showdown
@@CCC0122haha! I didn’t say I was better than everyone. I did say there are only about 5 other pilots flying similarly. Regardless, I’d fly against anyone, it can even be in their style. Would be a really fun challenge no doubt. Sorry it gives you headaches but it relieves mine 😅! And I totally agree, that’s the awesome part of this hobby. Freedom to do and fly however you like. It’s why I was drawn in, as I’m sure was your reason as well. Really appreciate you commenting and at least sucking up this headache on my account. Always got love for everyone. Ended up being some miscommunication which I’ll own that too. Have a great week ma friend!
Nice I was always wondering if I needed expo as well I fly 1000 roll and pitch 1150 on yaw 0.35 expo. I think I'll try carrying down. I'm new in the hobby but you're one of my favourite pilots too. Anyway have a good day 😊
Give it a go. For some just starting out those rates are very hot. If you find yourself whipping it crazy like, just start dialing it back until you find the sweet spot. Thanks so much and hope you have a great weekend!
Love it! Personally I feel like locking yourself into a singular way of flying limits your overall skill set and just kinda makes for a stagnant experience in Fpv in general. I see a lot of people quit Fpv and I really think it’s because it gets boring when u don’t mix it up 🤷♂️.
I'm no expert quad flier but I can fly them, I learnt to fly RC planes by myself, had no idea what expo was so I didn't use it, I have to use high rates on Helis otherwise I crash, I've alway went high rates on Planes. No expo on my Emax 6s Buzz or my 1 & 2s Whoops. No expo on my more 3D planes, I use brain/finger expo. I do use expo on WW2 Warbirds now as it help with scale (ish) flying. Great vid and flying as ever Phantom!
100%! I learned the same way haha. I used to do scale and agree, it’s required for lifelike flight. Been a hot minute! Really great to see you back in here. Take care brother!
I run high rates as well 1200 in fact, what I found is the rate determines how far you rotate when you go from center to taping the outside and back. A rate of 600 gives you 90 degrees or rotation and 1200 gives 180 degrees of rotation. This give you nice clean moves without the overshoot that you have to learn to correct if you run at 700, 800 etc.
It’s all science! I don’t see overshoot as a fault. “We” all like to see tricks and lines laid out perfectly strait but I’m a realist for sure. In order to do some of the more technical tricks really tight, you gotta run higher rates. Agreed and thank you!
Fantastic flying, Phantom!!! 😃 But yeah, I do the same. I'm a bad pilot, but I don't care, I just want to have fun! 😂 Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
@@PhantomFPV This is why this community thrives. I spent the best years of my life skating and we rarely helped each other progress. I've crossed paths with so many retired adrenaline/dopamine junkies that found joy in FPV. Thank you for keeping the tribe strong.
@@RestingQuadFace awe yeah, same here. I was fortunate in the fact we had a crew to skate with. My FPV journey has been quite different aside from online presence and big events. Definitely found some lifelong friends in the FPV community tho.
@@madladdan it’s been my go to for easily 5-6yrs. Just bought a Zorro Max due to availability. Might have to locate another x-lite tho. Glad you like it! Thanks so much!
Ive been racing tinywhoops in velocidrone and came to very similar arguments. Having high rates no expo gives such a responsive smooth feeling. I went back to my 5in quad rates and felt an immidiate ick, like I wasnt connected to the quad at all. One major downside is it amplifies any nervous jitters or fatigued haphazardness.
With actual rates expo just moves the "kink", doesn't mean you lose the center stick input. You just get a broader center stick region if anything it gives you finer control in the center, if its too low you can raise center sensitivity to compensate, you can still have jittery flying with expo, the guys who want the buttery smooth video use stabilization in anyways so I don't think they use expo for the masses, just for the feel they want. Expo is just a matter of personal preference. I don't use expo on yaw but I do like some on pitch and roll. another thing to consider is gimbals, Lite gimbals have less throw so already have less space to work with than full size gimbals
@@minimaistor you’re correct, and I agree with your comment. Thanks for taking the time to explain. The expo I’m referring to is stick or physical gimbal expo added in your radio. I also understand all of these adjustments can be made in software. I run Kiss but fly everything for work including radios with larger gimbals. Also agree expo doesn’t remove all the jitters but definitely helps those who can’t control finer mid stick movements. Just wanted to add context to why I run the higher rates as it applies to my style. Another earlier comment was made about being able to achieve similar results using slower rates. I agree in that, yes you can fly slower rates and perform similar tricks but much is lost in video. The camera doesn’t give a good representation of how close a pilot, me in this particular case is flying to objects and the ground. Been at this a hot minute and know from many hours that slower rates in highly technical situations with stick expo at high speeds usually doesn’t go the way you’d expect. Again, really appreciate that feedback! Invaluable!
@@PhantomFPV oh yea no one should ever use the expo on the radio for drones, that really will ruin the control-ability of the quad completely and that comes down to much more technical details which are pretty boring. As for the rates part I use 800max or 850, don't remember(actual rates). I wouldn't be comfortable doing what your doing with anything lower ( I already can't, yet) its one of those "just because you can doesn't mean you should" situations. The wide FOV we love for FPV freestyle conveys speed but definitely doesn't convey scale and only those who know, know and understand.
@@minimaistor absolutely agree on all points. I’ve been tuning a very long time but recently took a course with PIDToolbox that truly opened my eyes to the possible and what a properly tuned machine feels like. As well as understanding all the various settings and functions Betaflight has to offer. With Kiss I usually run a preset then make small adjustments based on sound and performance. It’s far more involved than that if you want it right. Keep working it! Thanks so much and have a great weekend.
good explanation and examples, I love them fast rates but like the expo haha I get the best of both worlds but that's the compromise I choose. Looking in your description shows your kiss rates as having a bit of expo? Now i'm confused, lol
Kiss Ultra FCFC - Roll - 1.56/.67/.21...Pitch - 1.56/.67/.21...Yaw.. - 1.6/.6/.22 I run kiss too but .55, .55, .22 for expo = (RC Curve) vs your .21, .21, .22 My full rates are 1.45/.75/.55, 1.45/.75/.55, 1.43/.73/.22 looks like your a 945 vs my 1160 crazy. now I'm wanting to see how different they feel
Sick rip man like always i run 50% expo i have shakey hands and fingers when doing tedius shit so the expo helps the shake a little so you dont see it in the footage but i never looked at it like that running no expo you have full control i like that so im going to try a few packs with no expo cause i like having full control see how it goes my rates are not that high though i run 900 degrees so lets try this thanks man 👍👍👍👍
I've watched you for years. None of this is applicable for me as I don't have this level of talent. No expo = my ham fists causing me to crash into proximity obstacles. Low rates, I can't get tricks in. High rates, no expo + your brain = great flights. I am missing one of those!
Ive gotten where im used to no expo and like it. My rates arent as fast as yours but im not flying as fast as you. I am slowly speeding up and raising the speed of my rates to match my speed. But i personally feel like my style and speed are coming together.. im 3 years in not 10+. My point is i agree. Your rates match your style and speed. Which i think is what you are saying lol.
Haha! Yes!!! You are the first to read through all my mumbo jumbo and pull out the primary intent. Love it! Yeah man, it’s necessary for sure and it is a growth thing if your desire is to fly faster and more aggressive. Thanks so much brother! Stay with it!
I’m a flow style flyer and I can also do the cool kid tricks like rubic and trippy spins but I don’t like being told how I can and can’t fly so I went back to flow style flying. I don’t value likes either I just like my footage to be watchable most people don’t like flip and fast turns all the time and we do make content for people to view or we wouldn’t upload
I imagine this is how street style skateboarders felt in the 90’s when pipe was the main and biggest show. I actually know this as fact because I was a street skater in the 90’s all the way through the 2000’s when street started to become more popular than pipe because of its diversity and technical versatility. You 1000% have never been told how to fly on this channel because even in the video I specifically say your style and how you fly is up to the individual pilot. I’ve always maintained that. Yes we upload for views because we want to share our art with the world. Just so happens my art is a little more abstract than others. Again, I did make a stab at flow because IMHO it is the most basic and easiest form of freestyle, but we’ve placed it on this godlike pedestal. When 99% of RUclips channels are uploading indistinguishable flights from one another, that is a clear indication to me that flow is something everyone can master regardless of skill level. (This is a general statement and how I view the specific style not a condemnation for doing flow. We all have to start somewhere.) Flying very fast and technical, I don’t ase too many of those uplands. Food for thought. Unlike any other sport in the world, FPV defines “pros” by self proclamation or subscriptions. This is frustrating because FPV is no longer “just a hobby” for me. I’m all in. However, I agree this is not the case for most as generally, people are doing it for fun and as a hobby. Which is why I clearly state it’s up to the pilot to decide their setup and style. Lastly, as an example, I started adding tricks on tricks or combos like the rubik matty, the double flip matty, and the inverted yawspin matty because I found the regular matty to be the easiest and most over used trick in the industry. It’s like the hand plant was to pipe. If we keep doing basic shit, our hobby at a “pro” level will always remain basic. Generally people take my comments as directed at them personally. For me, if I didn’t call you out specifically by name, I’m speaking in the general sense and shouldn’t be taken as such. Thanks so much for taking the time to comment and I hope you have a wonderful week!
я мечтаю выполнить такой трюк: полет по спирали вдоль электрического провода между столбами - так, чтобы провод всегда был в центре кадра, а весь мир кружился вокруг провода. При этом еще и поступательное движение вдоль провода на большой скорости. Нигде не видел такого. Попробуйте? )
my dream is to perform such a trick: flying in a spiral along an electric wire between poles - so that the wire is always in the center of the frame, and the whole world is spinning around the wire. At the same time, there is also a forward movement along the wire at high speed. I've never seen anything like it. Try it? )
@@Sasha_Svarovski you don't see it get posted by anyone because people get very upset if you fly by power lines, it is also illegal but most of the hobby is so eh.
@@Sasha_Svarovski hey buddy! Yeah, I think it would be challenging and you could probably pull it off without upsetting the authorities. Just need to ask permission first or do it in an area where the lines are no longer in service. Appreciate ya!
@@ronaldcphotography ImpulseRC Apex Evo. I have the full build in my description. Solid! Been flying it for a few years now. Testing others as well with less than stellar results. Thanks so much!
@@PhantomFPV very niceee, I’m looking to do a build. Iv only started off with the avata2, but I went right into high rates with no expo, I actually found it easier to control v low slow rates. Im using 940 with no expo. I found your video very interesting because most people say you need to use expo, I guess it depends on the person, for most people they might not have the dexterity to control no expo and then there are gifted individuals that can 👌
@@ronaldcphotography it’s definitely a feel or somewhat subjective topic. I used to obsess over my footage but wanted to get away from stabilization and expo. Stability because I didn’t like the mushy video appearance after editing and expo because I like small movements. Expo really forced me to use more of the stick than I felt necessary. I do believe it’s a great thing for some, just not me. Glad you’re on a path that’s working for you. I can and will definitely vouch for the Apex. Thanks so much for stopping by and asking questions.
@@PhantomFPV it really is refreshing to see your style, I love the raw speed where every move and twitch can be seen in your vids. Great immersion and I prefer it over smooth flying. There are people that appreciate your style so keep doing it and kicking out these awesome vids. As someone else said there’s only a few pilots on RUclips like you. You gained a sub 😎🤩
I guess it all is opinion and what works best for you. My top 3 favorite pilots to watch are you Phantom, austinspired, and bigoilyguy. I think Phantom the best at what he do,austinspired on another level, best at what he do and oily definitely the best at what he does. 3 fkn amazing pilots, all 3 different opinions and different techniques. I think you guys killing it. I appreciate all 3 of ya 🥷🫡
@@Smagsfpv big facts! Appreciate that love and humbled to be on the list Smags. Hope you’re doing well…definitely confirm the other two on your list are legit ace pilots!
Love watching different styles, I always think Stingy on steroids when I watch yours ❤ No expo, stock rates myself. Prefer the linear feel. Every input on the sticks changes the quad the same amount no matter where I'm throwing it from
You and Steele are a dying breed. Everyone wants to be smooth this days, everyone want flow. You, Steele and Jevinfpv always remind me the joy and freedom of fpv. Other style are too coreographic.
Not many proxy rippers for sure. It’s next level hard and expensive when you case it in. Definitely about that freedom. Thanks so much Mario!
@@PhantomFPV i was about to mention you 😆
@@mariomedina311 I think it's more like skating in the 90's you had your favourite styles. koston was very different to Thomas but they both were street skating and both insane. Same with the freestyle variations it's all fun to watch and you just lean in on what your flavor is.
SO glad you're back!! Really enjoy the content and always engaged! Thanks for posting and being the real you.
@@ragefpv3606 hey Rage! Glad to do it man friend. It feels good to be back flying consistently again. Thanks a bunch!
Jesus, bro that low hurricane and rubix was sick. You got skills. Keep sending
You know that’s right! Only one way to pull those moves off. Thanks for noticing and posting. Greatly appreciated! Have a wonderful weekend!
@@PhantomFPV I can't pull it off but I can spot the technical stuff a year away. 🔥🔥
@@dadpoolfpv lol! It’s a life’s work for sure. Glad you like it. Thanks again!
I have run really low rates with no expo for a good while now. Recently I've upped my rates but still no expo... Mine are currently in the 600-700 range.... I've ran really high rates in the past (1200) as well... The thing I've found through all of it though, and no matter how good you are, high rates result in a lot of corrections, because no matter how good you are you will over rotate and have to correct. That over rotating can happen at most any rate point, but the likelihood is much higher as the rate value increases.
I'm glad to see you out making content again and love to see people buck the trend and do their own thing. Keep ripping brother!
You’re spot on Stacey. It is super difficult to stop that much momentum sometimes. I usually try to immediately add a turn or something to take the eyes away from it or I just keep sending with no regard haha. That’s what I’m here to do man! Good to see you back at it as well. Thanks so much! Stay safe down there. Glad y’all made it through relatively unscathed.
Good video man. Dig that spot too. I bet alot of people are gunna be crashing there quads this week trying your rates.
Oh man! This spot is pretty rad. Stumbled on it looking for local schools. Two sheriff’s pulled in mid rip to have lunch and didn’t say anything. Probably gonna be a regular spot for me going forward lol. Thanks so much Adam. Have a great weekend buddy.
Like ya flying style, appreciate your personality and attitude
So bubbly 😃
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@@mrmagoo600 haha! Always gotta keep it light. Appreciate you always Mr Magoo!! Thanks buddy.
You’ve just sparked my interest in trying this!
Mr Mell! How the heck are you man? Hope you made it through the storm ok. Y'all good? Thank you for stopping by.
Thanks so much no expo is where it is Wii. 😊 Feel more one with the quad turns are sharper and the low to the ground flips rolls and even pull outs so much better I like it ❤
@@allanfolkes8723 awesome news! Really glad you like the higher bump. Appreciate you stopping by to watch and comment.
It's great to see you back and posting vids! I was starting to worry you gave up. Your a motivating factor in my own learning to fly
@@Natures_Barista no way not ever! It’s my life, literally. I just need some time away to reset my game plan going forward. Really glad you stuck in there. Thanks so much and have a wonderful weekend!
Great great lesson brother. Keep up the amazing work so you went stealing that tunnel. I could imagine shitting up that hatch with my doctor all man pick up the great work guys.
@@LilwickedFpv yeah man! Appreciate it big dog! Yeah, we had a blast!
You got this quick reflexes💪
My main man! Great seeing you. Loved your last post. Would be super awesome to come out and rip with you in the future. Thanks good buddy! Have a good one.
Good video man. My younger days I didn’t use expo but I use a touch now. I did tweak my rates a little bit. I’ll have to try no expo.
Yeah man! If you want smoother control, def keep that expo. Been a minute, great to see you in the chat. Thanks Justin!
Hell Yeah!!! 2 vids in a week 😊For me its great to hear your reasons on why you choose what your using. Everyones flow and style should be personal, i love the low and fast as hell stuff but i cant do the zero expo, my fingers shake to much😂 so i adjusted. Same with high rates i found i was mid sticking it to roll and if i lowered the rates i could just bang it to the end and hold for .5 sec and i know itll alway be level, then I can focus on trying not to hit things in between 🤣🤣🤣
Haha! Imma try to get back to a regular schedule. Been too long. Yeah, I get that. Unfortunately my tone sent the wrong message on this one. Lots of folks seem to kinda take it as a jab. There was a jabby comment but was more of a dialog about why I run high rates. Understand why you run what you do and it makes sense. Thanks so much!
@@PhantomFPV @PhantomFPV it's funny that it was taken like that, maybe it's cause I've watched all your content In a row, but then going through the comments I picked up other tips and things to try. So win win. 😂
@@Badger_FPV absolutely! Lots of great info out there. Binge watching the Phantom clips? Lord, you are a glutton! Love it! Thank you, Badger!
@@PhantomFPV hell yeah! I'm from the era where you watch 411 videos on repeat, always watching always learning 😈 until the tape chews up!!!
Good shit! Glad you’re back to making some more videos 😎
Me too and great seeing you in here as well. Thanks so much Chomper!
I run no expo but i run low rates. It gives me 100% control and buttery footage. I kinda feel the opposite of you i saw that at 750° i watched 3 full packs and i never hit the edge of my stick. So i felt like i was just cheating myself out of resolution. But i can still do any proxy trick anyone can. I feel it makes me faster if the quads slower if that makes sense. And on saves it actually makes me less bobbly and i save it more. But its w.e anybody wants to do. Just saying you dont HAVE to have high rates to do it. Its wichever works for you.
Hmmm, Imma argue with you a little here Austin. Don’t take this the wrong way as you’re one of my main homies. There isn’t anyone (that I’ve seen) banging out the stuff I am as tight and close to sheet as I am except for maybe less than 5 bros. Not sure if your comment about “anyone” had me lumped in or not. I’ll also go out on a limb and agree, I can 1000% pull any stunt I want at significantly lower rates, even in the 400 range. However, this leave zero room for error or ability to spot your next line when you’re flying 60mph in a highly congested environment. I run 50+ uptilt and don’t speed ramp period. I keep it 100 with everything I do. I’ll also go out on a limb and challenge someone, anyone to replicate some of the stuff I’m pulling, even Lumpy (he was one of my first subscribers btw). I can say this, because I’ve worked tirelessly learning every trick there is to learn. There isn’t anything I won’t try or can’t pull off…maybe😜. To the core, my rates are in line with the speeds I fly proportionate to the proximity of hard object I fly around. Again, I ain’t the king of FPV, but I can about guarantee you not too many folks are in the same zone. Again, no hard feelings as I say in the video, rates are very personalized.
P.S. you’re killing the game! Watched your last edit and it was absolutely amazing. Stay in it brotha man, and I hope your fam is doing well too. ❤️❤️❤️ Love you Austin!
@PhantomFPV no I wasn't saying I do it closer or anything like that. I was just saying that yes your points are valid but that's not the only way to get the same things done. And that it doesn't work for everyone but those people can still get it done in other ways. We don't even really do the same shit so I could say that in the other direction too so that's irrelevant but you're kind of a monster so what I'm saying is yes, all that is true for you. But alot of people can't do it and maintain control. So it's okay for them to fly lower rates if they need too as well, they can still do anything.
@@austinspired big bro! I totally and 100% agree! I wasn't suggesting people fly like me, my bad man. I was just talking through why I fly all crazy with high rates. You're spot on, no WAY I would recommend people fly my rates lol. Never get context or inflection with text. Keep ripping mang and please keep hitting me with that feedback.
Better than everyone, but maybe 5 dudes....? That's BOLD statement, but shit baby, you dig it the most! Your flying might be difficult to pull off, but man, it sure is hard to watch. I get a headache just watching. Lol, I appreciate the work though! Nice flying
I think there's enough room in this hobby for all kinds of flight styles.
What I want to see are the 5 other guys that you were mentioning, and let's have ourselves an FPV showdown
@@CCC0122haha! I didn’t say I was better than everyone. I did say there are only about 5 other pilots flying similarly. Regardless, I’d fly against anyone, it can even be in their style. Would be a really fun challenge no doubt.
Sorry it gives you headaches but it relieves mine 😅! And I totally agree, that’s the awesome part of this hobby. Freedom to do and fly however you like. It’s why I was drawn in, as I’m sure was your reason as well. Really appreciate you commenting and at least sucking up this headache on my account. Always got love for everyone. Ended up being some miscommunication which I’ll own that too. Have a great week ma friend!
Nice I was always wondering if I needed expo as well I fly 1000 roll and pitch 1150 on yaw 0.35 expo. I think I'll try carrying down. I'm new in the hobby but you're one of my favourite pilots too. Anyway have a good day 😊
Give it a go. For some just starting out those rates are very hot. If you find yourself whipping it crazy like, just start dialing it back until you find the sweet spot. Thanks so much and hope you have a great weekend!
Love it! Personally I feel like locking yourself into a singular way of flying limits your overall skill set and just kinda makes for a stagnant experience in Fpv in general. I see a lot of people quit Fpv and I really think it’s because it gets boring when u don’t mix it up 🤷♂️.
Absolutely 1000% agree with this. To get the most out of FPV you should explore even if it’s hard. Usually the payoff is high. Thanks so much!
I'm no expert quad flier but I can fly them, I learnt to fly RC planes by myself, had no idea what expo was so I didn't use it, I have to use high rates on Helis otherwise I crash, I've alway went high rates on Planes. No expo on my Emax 6s Buzz or my 1 & 2s Whoops. No expo on my more 3D planes, I use brain/finger expo. I do use expo on WW2 Warbirds now as it help with scale (ish) flying. Great vid and flying as ever Phantom!
100%! I learned the same way haha. I used to do scale and agree, it’s required for lifelike flight. Been a hot minute! Really great to see you back in here. Take care brother!
I run high rates as well 1200 in fact, what I found is the rate determines how far you rotate when you go from center to taping the outside and back. A rate of 600 gives you 90 degrees or rotation and 1200 gives 180 degrees of rotation. This give you nice clean moves without the overshoot that you have to learn to correct if you run at 700, 800 etc.
It’s all science! I don’t see overshoot as a fault. “We” all like to see tricks and lines laid out perfectly strait but I’m a realist for sure. In order to do some of the more technical tricks really tight, you gotta run higher rates. Agreed and thank you!
Fantastic flying, Phantom!!! 😃
But yeah, I do the same. I'm a bad pilot, but I don't care, I just want to have fun! 😂
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Haha! Doesn’t even matter so long as you’re having fun doing what you do. Thanks so much MC’s Creations! Stay healthy buddy!
This is the first video of yours I've seen. I'm sticking around. Amen and keep fucking ripping.
Both humbled and grateful! Thanks so much and I hope you stick around for more.
@@PhantomFPV Oh brother, I hit subscribe before you got to rates. You are an amazing pilot and I look forward to learning from you.
@@RestingQuadFace appreciate that love. In my old videos, got a ton of tutorials and a trictionary. Have fun man!
@@PhantomFPV This is why this community thrives. I spent the best years of my life skating and we rarely helped each other progress. I've crossed paths with so many retired adrenaline/dopamine junkies that found joy in FPV. Thank you for keeping the tribe strong.
@@RestingQuadFace awe yeah, same here. I was fortunate in the fact we had a crew to skate with. My FPV journey has been quite different aside from online presence and big events. Definitely found some lifelong friends in the FPV community tho.
I love the energy, too gas!!!
It’s fun!!! Thanks so much and have a great weekend!
@@PhantomFPV 🙌🙏
Just bought an x lite pro. Love it
@@madladdan it’s been my go to for easily 5-6yrs. Just bought a Zorro Max due to availability. Might have to locate another x-lite tho. Glad you like it! Thanks so much!
That title is so honest and refreshing between this clickbait littered youtube world. Very appreciated.
Humbled and glad you liked it. It’s always a roll of the dice. Thanks so much for stopping by.
Great explanation!
@@fpvgiggles boom! Thank you, friend. Have a good one.
Ive been racing tinywhoops in velocidrone and came to very similar arguments. Having high rates no expo gives such a responsive smooth feeling. I went back to my 5in quad rates and felt an immidiate ick, like I wasnt connected to the quad at all. One major downside is it amplifies any nervous jitters or fatigued haphazardness.
These are big facts! You know how to fix nervous jitters? Do nervous jitter inducing stuff all the time so you loose the jitters lol. Thanks so much!
Totally agree - I'm not looking for sleek footage, I'm looking for the quad to respond properly.
Big time! On rails. Thanks so much Badger!
🤘BITCHIN🤘 The Rates of My Highness is Exponential.
Gotta do it! Hope you’re well buddy. Thanks so much!
There he is!!😀 i also run no expo and pretty high rates...I love ppls reactions when they see my rates😂
Hahaha! Always! Thanks so much ma friend.
Took off the expo on all my quads😊
How’d that work for you?
With actual rates expo just moves the "kink", doesn't mean you lose the center stick input. You just get a broader center stick region if anything it gives you finer control in the center, if its too low you can raise center sensitivity to compensate, you can still have jittery flying with expo, the guys who want the buttery smooth video use stabilization in anyways so I don't think they use expo for the masses, just for the feel they want.
Expo is just a matter of personal preference. I don't use expo on yaw but I do like some on pitch and roll.
another thing to consider is gimbals, Lite gimbals have less throw so already have less space to work with than full size gimbals
@@minimaistor you’re correct, and I agree with your comment. Thanks for taking the time to explain.
The expo I’m referring to is stick or physical gimbal expo added in your radio. I also understand all of these adjustments can be made in software. I run Kiss but fly everything for work including radios with larger gimbals. Also agree expo doesn’t remove all the jitters but definitely helps those who can’t control finer mid stick movements. Just wanted to add context to why I run the higher rates as it applies to my style. Another earlier comment was made about being able to achieve similar results using slower rates. I agree in that, yes you can fly slower rates and perform similar tricks but much is lost in video. The camera doesn’t give a good representation of how close a pilot, me in this particular case is flying to objects and the ground. Been at this a hot minute and know from many hours that slower rates in highly technical situations with stick expo at high speeds usually doesn’t go the way you’d expect. Again, really appreciate that feedback! Invaluable!
@@PhantomFPV oh yea no one should ever use the expo on the radio for drones, that really will ruin the control-ability of the quad completely and that comes down to much more technical details which are pretty boring. As for the rates part I use 800max or 850, don't remember(actual rates). I wouldn't be comfortable doing what your doing with anything lower ( I already can't, yet) its one of those "just because you can doesn't mean you should" situations.
The wide FOV we love for FPV freestyle conveys speed but definitely doesn't convey scale and only those who know, know and understand.
@@minimaistor absolutely agree on all points. I’ve been tuning a very long time but recently took a course with PIDToolbox that truly opened my eyes to the possible and what a properly tuned machine feels like. As well as understanding all the various settings and functions Betaflight has to offer. With Kiss I usually run a preset then make small adjustments based on sound and performance. It’s far more involved than that if you want it right. Keep working it! Thanks so much and have a great weekend.
good explanation and examples, I love them fast rates but like the expo haha I get the best of both worlds but that's the compromise I choose. Looking in your description shows your kiss rates as having a bit of expo? Now i'm confused, lol
Kiss Ultra FCFC - Roll - 1.56/.67/.21...Pitch - 1.56/.67/.21...Yaw.. - 1.6/.6/.22 I run kiss too but .55, .55, .22 for expo = (RC Curve) vs your .21, .21, .22 My full rates are 1.45/.75/.55, 1.45/.75/.55, 1.43/.73/.22 looks like your a 945 vs my 1160 crazy. now I'm wanting to see how different they feel
@@DRONEPOISON we talked this out…lol. Thanks so much my main man! Have a good one brotha!
Ima fan of no expo and high rates too 💪🏼👊🏼
Gotta send! Appreciate you commenting my friend. Thank you!
gonna give it a try.
It’s worth a shot. Thanks a bunch!
Any carbon left intact, after the battery of tests you put those unlucky frames through? Still exited to see the results.
Barely any haha. Still grinding on that one. It’s painful. Thanks so much.
Sick rip man like always i run 50% expo i have shakey hands and fingers when doing tedius shit so the expo helps the shake a little so you dont see it in the footage but i never looked at it like that running no expo you have full control i like that so im going to try a few packs with no expo cause i like having full control see how it goes my rates are not that high though i run 900 degrees so lets try this thanks man 👍👍👍👍
Totally understand that! Not saying expo is bad because it 1000% has value. Glad it’s working for you. Thanks so much Freedom! Hope you’re doing well.
I've watched you for years. None of this is applicable for me as I don't have this level of talent.
No expo = my ham fists causing me to crash into proximity obstacles. Low rates, I can't get tricks in.
High rates, no expo + your brain = great flights.
I am missing one of those!
@@doccock100 na, you just need higher rates. You’ve got the other two. 🦄🦄🦄 Thank you very much for the love and commenting. Have a good one!
I Fly High 🙌
Yes you do! Rip sticks too! Thanks big dog. Hope you’re well man.
@@PhantomFPV been having a blast, gonna go hit some twin stacks on Sunday 🙌
@@Fly_High_FPV go get some!!!
1200⁰/s linear feels fantastic just doesn't usually look good on video
@@lunaticfpv17 you’re right. Imma keep sending it tho! Appreciate you Lunatic! Have a good one buddy.
Back!!!! hell yeah going try high rates now and break all my shit lol
Yes sa!!! Getting after it again. Appreciate you Slaughter!
As a Grandpa with arthritis and added age related latency, I run some expo and lower rates. I have fun and I can tell what the heck just happened. 😁
Hahaha! I get that. Thanks so much and keep on ripping! It’s all about what you enjoy doing.
insane
Trying to be! Thanks so much.
i used to run high rates but my reflexes aren't what they used to be so i dialed it back. btw, any progress on the frames comparison?
I know how that is. It’s going, on the fence about continuing to complete it. Been crazy expensive. Thanks so much!
Ive gotten where im used to no expo and like it. My rates arent as fast as yours but im not flying as fast as you. I am slowly speeding up and raising the speed of my rates to match my speed. But i personally feel like my style and speed are coming together.. im 3 years in not 10+.
My point is i agree. Your rates match your style and speed. Which i think is what you are saying lol.
Haha! Yes!!! You are the first to read through all my mumbo jumbo and pull out the primary intent. Love it! Yeah man, it’s necessary for sure and it is a growth thing if your desire is to fly faster and more aggressive. Thanks so much brother! Stay with it!
+1💪
@@nerdCopter 🦄🦄❤️😜🔥🔥🔥
Technically using center sensitivity is the same as expo.
100%! Thanks so much for taking the time to watch. Should’ve mentioned center stick sensitivity.
I’m a flow style flyer and I can also do the cool kid tricks like rubic and trippy spins but I don’t like being told how I can and can’t fly so I went back to flow style flying. I don’t value likes either I just like my footage to be watchable most people don’t like flip and fast turns all the time and we do make content for people to view or we wouldn’t upload
I imagine this is how street style skateboarders felt in the 90’s when pipe was the main and biggest show. I actually know this as fact because I was a street skater in the 90’s all the way through the 2000’s when street started to become more popular than pipe because of its diversity and technical versatility.
You 1000% have never been told how to fly on this channel because even in the video I specifically say your style and how you fly is up to the individual pilot. I’ve always maintained that.
Yes we upload for views because we want to share our art with the world. Just so happens my art is a little more abstract than others. Again, I did make a stab at flow because IMHO it is the most basic and easiest form of freestyle, but we’ve placed it on this godlike pedestal. When 99% of RUclips channels are uploading indistinguishable flights from one another, that is a clear indication to me that flow is something everyone can master regardless of skill level. (This is a general statement and how I view the specific style not a condemnation for doing flow. We all have to start somewhere.)
Flying very fast and technical, I don’t ase too many of those uplands. Food for thought.
Unlike any other sport in the world, FPV defines “pros” by self proclamation or subscriptions. This is frustrating because FPV is no longer “just a hobby” for me. I’m all in. However, I agree this is not the case for most as generally, people are doing it for fun and as a hobby. Which is why I clearly state it’s up to the pilot to decide their setup and style.
Lastly, as an example, I started adding tricks on tricks or combos like the rubik matty, the double flip matty, and the inverted yawspin matty because I found the regular matty to be the easiest and most over used trick in the industry. It’s like the hand plant was to pipe. If we keep doing basic shit, our hobby at a “pro” level will always remain basic. Generally people take my comments as directed at them personally. For me, if I didn’t call you out specifically by name, I’m speaking in the general sense and shouldn’t be taken as such.
Thanks so much for taking the time to comment and I hope you have a wonderful week!
я мечтаю выполнить такой трюк:
полет по спирали вдоль электрического провода между столбами - так, чтобы провод всегда был в центре кадра, а весь мир кружился вокруг провода. При этом еще и поступательное движение вдоль провода на большой скорости. Нигде не видел такого. Попробуйте? )
my dream is to perform such a trick:
flying in a spiral along an electric wire between poles - so that the wire is always in the center of the frame, and the whole world is spinning around the wire. At the same time, there is also a forward movement along the wire at high speed. I've never seen anything like it. Try it? )
@@Sasha_Svarovski you don't see it get posted by anyone because people get very upset if you fly by power lines, it is also illegal but most of the hobby is so eh.
@@minimaistor I'm sure no one is posting this, because it's a difficult trick to perform.
@@Sasha_Svarovski hey buddy! Yeah, I think it would be challenging and you could probably pull it off without upsetting the authorities. Just need to ask permission first or do it in an area where the lines are no longer in service. Appreciate ya!
What frame are you using ?
@@ronaldcphotography ImpulseRC Apex Evo. I have the full build in my description. Solid! Been flying it for a few years now. Testing others as well with less than stellar results. Thanks so much!
@@PhantomFPV very niceee, I’m looking to do a build. Iv only started off with the avata2, but I went right into high rates with no expo, I actually found it easier to control v low slow rates. Im using 940 with no expo. I found your video very interesting because most people say you need to use expo, I guess it depends on the person, for most people they might not have the dexterity to control no expo and then there are gifted individuals that can 👌
@@ronaldcphotography it’s definitely a feel or somewhat subjective topic. I used to obsess over my footage but wanted to get away from stabilization and expo. Stability because I didn’t like the mushy video appearance after editing and expo because I like small movements. Expo really forced me to use more of the stick than I felt necessary. I do believe it’s a great thing for some, just not me. Glad you’re on a path that’s working for you. I can and will definitely vouch for the Apex. Thanks so much for stopping by and asking questions.
@@PhantomFPV it really is refreshing to see your style, I love the raw speed where every move and twitch can be seen in your vids. Great immersion and I prefer it over smooth flying. There are people that appreciate your style so keep doing it and kicking out these awesome vids. As someone else said there’s only a few pilots on RUclips like you. You gained a sub 😎🤩
@@ronaldcphotography wow! Big time humbled by your feedback. Really appreciate the support and I got you back! Thanks so much!
Because you are a crazy mofo that can fly them - that's why ❤
@@volkergoe haha! We’re trying. Appreciate it!
You are though. This is jerky shit footy. Period.
I don't believe you understand fpv. Go watch some cinematic fpv from someone with an avata, and you will be happy.
@@NOWWATTFPV haha! Love it. Just subbed ya…gotta keep it real man, and you did. Thanks a bunch!
I guess it all is opinion and what works best for you. My top 3 favorite pilots to watch are you Phantom, austinspired, and bigoilyguy. I think Phantom the best at what he do,austinspired on another level, best at what he do and oily definitely the best at what he does. 3 fkn amazing pilots, all 3 different opinions and different techniques. I think you guys killing it. I appreciate all 3 of ya 🥷🫡
@@Smagsfpv big facts! Appreciate that love and humbled to be on the list Smags. Hope you’re doing well…definitely confirm the other two on your list are legit ace pilots!
@PhantomFPV yeah again just my opinion, but you 3. My favorite to watch. Attitude, skill. Personality. Look forward to all the videos you guys post
Love watching different styles, I always think Stingy on steroids when I watch yours ❤ No expo, stock rates myself. Prefer the linear feel. Every input on the sticks changes the quad the same amount no matter where I'm throwing it from
@@kingjam6433 dang! That’s a huge compliment! Agreed, I love that locked feel for sure. Thanks so much gents!