What to Expect at the Pathfinder School Basic Class (Tips for Success)
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If you are considering taking the basic class at the Pathfinder School in Jackson, Ohio, this video will give you an idea of what to expect and how to prepare yourself for the class. The Pathfinder School Basic Class is a challenging and rewarding training experience that will help you to take your skills to next level as a woodsman and will also help you to own the skills necessary to survive should you ever become lost or injured in the wilderness.
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Black Hat Bushcraft Just subscribe/ Will you guys ever come to Alabama or back to Georgia? Thanks big fan! One day I will take this course
@@Aceinthehole1179 Thank you so much for the sub and I really appreciate your interest and support! I am not 100% sure when classes will be offered back down there again but I would say it is a possibility. I know Dave is running the Hunter Gatherer class down in Florida right now. Keep an eye out on Self Reliance Outfitters site and all classes will be posted there. We would be glad to train with you!
Will there ever be any classes in Missouri? I am a big fan and when I’m older I plan on taking the beginner class
Having just completed the Basic course (and patched) 2 weeks ago, I'd say Matt's tips are spot on. Great video!
What are the requirements to be able to get patched?
Thank you Matt!!!
Good video love the way it was put together.
Thanks for sharing this been wondering what it would be like ..can't wait to get up there and go through all the courses
10th time I've seen this video. Thank you for it, Sir. Have enrolled in the June 2020 class.
Nice job Matt.
Just subscribed! All of these survival classes and introductions videos are priceless. I appreciate all the pathfinder instructors and David for the lifelong survival lessons. Thank you everyone for teaching us your wisdom, which we can pass to our children.
Spot on! Great video Buddy.
Thank you so much Scotty! I sure hope to spend some time with you out there again before long. I hope you are doing well buddy!
Thanks for sharing. Looking to take this class in the next year👍
Great briefing on what to expect, Matt. Thank you
Thank you for the kind words my friend! I appreciate you taking the time to watch.
Thanks for this video..signed up and will be at the next class
Very informative video. Old or not it’s really informative. Thanks for having this out here. Hope to make it to class over the next year
I love that your videos, even the older ones, keep getting suggested to me, even after I became a subscriber. Great video, Brother. Wish I watched it before coming to Basic Class. Thanks to your help, the class went a whole lot smoother. You’re a really awesome instructor. I’m lucky to have you!!!
I always enjoy watching Green Beanie Bushcraft. You always have interesting topics and good info............
Thanks working on my 5 knots now
I’d love to attend one, so much can be learned. It would be awesome.
I know it is a haul for you but I am sure you would enjoy the training. Let me know if you ever decide to make the journey my friend!
Awesome video! Perfect for someone preparing for the class. I have the DVD course, but really want to go for the weekend class. And you’re right, Jamie from SRO is fantastic. I love that store.
Jamie is a great guy and will do everything he can to make sure you get the help you need and if you are unsatisfied for any reason, he makes it right. He is a bottomless well of knowledge to boot! The DVD course is great as well and will definitely put you ahead when you do make it for the basic class. I hope to see you there sometime! Thanks for watching.
The absolute best, and I mean best, description of the basic pathfinders class ive ever heard. Your channel is also a great place to learn these basic skills before entering the class.
Thank you so much for your kind words Houston! I appreciate that and your interest and support. Take care.
Enjoyed the video, brother. Thanks.
Thank you so much for your kind words and for tuning in James!
Thank you for this review on this class. You are the first reviewer that I have watched that has been honest yet encouraging as to what to expect. ie. You will walk 5K every day. Well that knocked me out right now, but I now know what to work on. Thank you for that 👍🏻
Such great information. I hope to someday be able to go, Something ive always wanted to do.
Thank you so much for the kind words brother! I would love to meet you out at the school and if you get the opportunity to go, make sure you give me a heads up. I would want to make sure to come for your class :)
This was really helpful xx
Thank you for taking the time to tune in Harriet and I am glad it was helpful for you. Take care.
Agree 100%. I attended SERE training in the USAF so I expected the instructors to stress the class mentally since you need to feel a bit of desperation to understand what a real survival situation may feel like. I went during Memorial Day weekend & I think too many of the guys thought this would be a camping trip. So, they definitely had some unrealistic expectations. We had to carry a lot of "smalls" for fires and I equated that to the way the USAF had us wear an overly large backpack to simulate an injury. Your tip on using the ferro rod is 100% on the mark. That was my biggest struggle in the class. Looking back, I wish I had a better idea of how to find good materials to practice with. Now, I see good, natural materials everywhere. I would recommend someone purchase some fatwood from Walmart in the BBQ section and to practice on that. From there, they can work with grassy materials. If they are lucky, they'll already know about tulip poplar or cottonwood to get that inner bark. Great tips Matt.
True in every respect brother! Great class and we definitely need to prepare before we go!! Complete this and you do feel like you earned something special! Great class and thanks to all the Pathfinder Instructors for keeping us motivated. Thanks, Scotty Kinder ( My Instructor) and to the rest of the staff! -Couldn't have made it without you! My brother-in-law was a big help as well!! Great class guys and girls. We had some tough gals there too! They never gave up! Lady's get in there!!
Thank you so much for taking the time to tune in brother and for your kind words. It is indeed an accomplishment to be proud of and an experience not soon forgotten. I believe each class taken in one way or another pushes us all to the next level. You are spot on as well about the ladies! I have seen some women come into this class and do fantastic. I hope you are doing well and take care brother!
Great video Matt! Really nailed down what to expect there, what you can do to prepare and excel at the class! Can't wait to get some dirt time with you again!
Thank you so much Paul! I appreciate your kinds words and for you taking the time to tune in. Between the video you posted and this one, people should get a good idea of what to expect with the basic class. Hope to see you again soon. Take care.
@@blackhatbushcraft That should definitely give someone all they need to start preparing themselves. Like you said it all comes down to you and creating that mindset of not quitting or giving up. See you soon brother!
Awesome video brother! This should be a great intro for anyone wanting to take this. After speaking to several instructors and more than a handful of graduates, I've heard the same thing over and over. The number one reason for failure and tap out it coming out of shape, either physically, mentally, or both.
Thank you so much for your kind words brother! I appreciate you taking the time to tune in. It truly is the main thing that affects students when they come and I think just knowing ahead of time what to expect and doing a little prep ahead of time can hopefully prevent this at least in most cases for students.
Nice, brother!
Thank you so much Joshua! Much appreciated brother.
Nice vid
just subscribed, plan on taking this course next year, gotta get back in shape first, 5 years of a desk job has made me soft
So basically this course is just awesome Lol. Thanks for the tips on the course. I've wanted to attend the Pathfinder school for a while now but I wonder if I'll ever go. Thanks for sharing these videos with us Matt, they are truly a wonderful resource. - Josh
Thank you so much Josh! I appreciate you taking the time to tune in. Don't give up on your goal to get there buddy. I put my first trip off for years! I wish I would have gone up there when I first started following Dave's channel. I guess things work out for a reason. If you do get the chance to head up there, make sure to give me a heads up Josh. Take care!
Good job on the video.
Thank you so much for your kind words and for watching!
Great info, I’ve got a few things to do before August class. Thanks!
I wish you the very best on your class Seth! Who knows, I may see you there if I get to teach on that one.
@@blackhatbushcraft Lickily it’s actually the intro, not basic. I think the basic would beat me up this year due to my disturbing lack of fitness lately.
Matt is spot on I took the class in October and patched one of the hardest and most fun classes there is be ready to push your self be ready learn things go in with a good clear head and listen to the guys they know there stuff and don't try to be a butthead when they are on there knees just the same as you trying to give them tips don't throw your stuff down and walk off bc you don't quit they don't quit love Travis Sizemore and thanks matt it was really good to see ya brother
You did a fantastic job brother and I had no doubt that you would do any less. It was great to meet you finally and I hope to see you back for intermediate class as well. You definitely had your mind right when you got there and kept your focus throughout the class. That patch was well deserved brother!
Awesome video Matt!! That was a great topic to cover. I hope this video gets a ton of views to really get that info out there to future students. I think it'll be very helpful.
Thank you so much brother! I really appreciate your kind words and I hope too that it will be helpful for future students as they prepare for this class. I look forward to seeing you back at the school early next year Chris!
Thanks brother!! Definitely looking fwd to hanging out in March!!
@@0311cmc Me too my friend! I really enjoyed the last one a lot. I think it is because we had such good help taking care of everything before we even knew it needed to be done :) I think you are like me and just enjoy being part of it all. It is good to be with like minded folks for sure.
I know this video is a little old. But I signed up for the November class and I'm looking forward to learning from all of the instructors.
The physical training is spot on. I completed a half marathon in just over 2 hours the week before my 2016 Basic class, and my legs were still tired every night. It wasn't so much the distances covered daily, it was the hilly terrain. It was an amazing experience!
You are right Danny, the terrain there is challenging especially for people not accustomed to those Ohio hills. Thank you for taking the time to tune in and share your experience.
I'm from NW Ohio where it is pancake flat. :-)
Great video Matt! Everything you said is the truth. I watched TONS of Daves videos before going to the basic, and had the 5 minute shelter down pat, fire building was pretty simple, and the knots were burned into my memory from practice. There were things I struggled with , and continue to struggle with like navigation but its mostly because like any skill, it will atrophy if not used frequently enough. Thanks for the great video, can you do one of these vids for the scout class so I can prepare for that one..lol.
Thank you so much for the kind words Madison and I think watching those videos ahead of time as you did gives a student a huge advantage when they show up. I am glad you had a good experience at the school and no doubt you are continuing to put that training to good use. I wouldn't mind doing a video regarding the intermediate class at all. Much of the advice for the basic class would be still very appropriate. The main difference is the projects that get completed along the way. You will definitely get into more advanced nav methods as well with Pioneer Scout. I hope to see out for that one in 2019!
Black Hat Bushcraft I know the land nav is more intense (pace counts, mapping, alternate forms of land nav). I am horrible at land nav. Actually I've gotten lost in mall parking lots before. Lol. From chatting with other folks who have taken the course I know that a successful bow drill is a must to patch. But aside from that, I have no idea what skills to practice. This layout you did for the basic was excellent. Also from watching the pathfinder learning center I know that the basic I took 2 years ago is not the same course taught today. Many upgrades and evolutions (which is good). I don't like to go into anything unprepared. Being at least familiar with concepts taught before heading to the class puts me one step closer to success.....I hate failure
Keep making the good stuff Matt and I'll keep watching it. Thanks!!!
@@bombproofbushcraft LOL! I can see getting lost in some malls myself! Those places are treacherous:) Thank you so much Madison! I will do my best.
I really want to go to the Basic class one day.
Great video!!! I’d LOVE to attend sometime!
Thank you so much Timothy and we would be glad to have you come out and train with us! If you get a chance check out the schedule and see if there is a class that may work for you. Thanks for tuning in and commenting.
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EVERYTHING he said is spot on, but you need to pay strict attention to the part about making sure that you are physically able to complete the course. IT IS NOT EASY. That being said, if you take that piece of advice seriously you will learn a LOT of things. Also remember to hydrate frequently, and the part about taking food that you don't need to cook and can eat on the go is a MUST.
If I can arrange things I'll be back in 2019. If not then, 2020 for SURE.
Great video!
Thank you so much for tuning in! I appreciate your kind words and I definitely hope you will make it back as soon as possible. There is a nice Basic Patch there waiting for you:) Take care brother.
Thanks for a very well informative video. I would like to take all 3 classes - basic, intermediate and advanced - than the survival course. All of these are good and I think some of what is taught use to be taught to the Boy Scouts before they were turned into a social experiment and than finally coed. I am 65 and was a cub scout so I know some of what you are talking about. Perhaps you could get each State to start up their own Scouts - Boy Scouts of Ohio for example - and take them the basics, then when they get promoted teach them the intermediate and when they are eagle scouts the Advanced. I think there was the Explorer group as well so they could be the survival class that is being taught now. Again thank you for an excellent video and review. Take care and stay well.
Edit: The price you quoted is more than fare I would say. Take each course a year a part so you have time to put to use what you have learned.
The advice is spot on. I took the course about 18 months ago. I'm a middle-aged woman and not in the best shape, so it was a slog. But I earned my patch, learned a ton, and count it as a very rewarding experience. If you have the chance to take the course, you should do it, but be prepared to push yourself to your limits.
That is awesome Stacy and congratulations of your accomplishment! I think it is awesome that you persevered through and set an example for others that it can be done. I appreciate your time, interest and kind words.
VERY well described Matt! When I attended this class in October, MANY of the student's took their lead of what to expect from the Pathfinder School's website....specifically, the class reviews that were posted online. Your synopsis here is right on the mark. Don't expect a camp out, or casual walk in the woods. You will get cold. You will get wet. You will get cut, stuck & scraped. You will get sore, you will get hungry. My advice to prospective students..."Embrace the Suck". It'll be the best hard-time of your life. Hope to see ya'll soon at the Intermediate Class.
Well said Orlando! I think you hit the nail on the head with that and the key really is just accepting it ahead of time so that you aren't taken by surprise or upset when things get tough. You and Travis did a phenomenal job at the class and I definitely look forward to seeing you back for intermediate. Take care brother.
Great video Matt! I'm signed up for the San Saba TX class in Dec. The tips on food were especially helpful and I have a better game plan now.
Do you know if you or any of the instructor cadre you mentioned will be there? You, Corp Kelly, Josh E, Dan W, and Dave C have been very generous with the free instruction and all have been ramping up with more and more here...and the quality just goes up! It's so good to see that success. Thanks for all you do.
Thank you so much for your kind words my friend and I am excited for you to be taking that class! I know that I can't make that one personally but I believe The Corporal may be in on it and possibly Joshua Enyart. Of course Dave will as well so you are bound to have an amazing class. I am glad this video helped you be a little better prepared and I wish you the best on your adventure. Let me know how it goes!
Well said, Matt. 2 things I've observed..1) people believing basic means easy and 2) people giving up on themselves and quitting.
You are spot on my friend! Never underestimate an obstacle and never give up on yourself. I think these are good life lessons honestly. Thank you for taking the time to tune in and comment.
All good suggestions for preparing for the class. The last time I took any survival course was in 1968 at ITR and NCO school in the Marine Corps. So maybe I need a refresher? The only suggestion I'd make is the type of compass. In the Marines, we used the lensatic compass which I found to be useless. There are better ones on the market now, including the ones you show in your video.
We would love to have you Gordon! I am sure you got some good training in '68 and I am sure a refresher would be good too. Nav does play a big part in this class and students do get a good understand and lots of practice navigating with a compass. Check out the 2019 schedule and come on out sir. Thank for your service as well.
Hey Matt. I know you pride yourself in making as much as you can for your own kit. Any chance you have any experience making oil cloth? I'm interested in making my own tarp but am having a hard time figuring out how to go about sewing on my tie outs or the mixture of boiled linseed oil I'd need to use. Thanks for your time matt and God bless.
Well, a very nice presentation what to expect and perpare for, if you take the PFS's basic course. Thank you.
Absolutely! I am glad to share info and hope it does help others to indeed know what to expect before they enroll. I love to see people come well prepared and to succeed in the course. If you ever have specific questions, feel free to reach out. Take care.
I really hope to take a class before too long. I have to condition myself physically and will have to save for the class. I'm in the process of getting a vehicle/ also looking to buy a house and be getting married in the next 2-3 years. I'll make time for this though. Bushcraft and the outdoors is my stress relief and my passion.
I think the biggest area that folks fail in and drop out is the physical fitness required to hike long distances carrying a pack. Definitely the number 1 area needed in training for ANY survival situation.
Strength, Endurance, physical fitness and health. Many folks have all the gadgets but cant move them or walk more than a block or climb stairs.
Video is on key
Thank you so much brother! No doubt you know as well as anyone:) I hope you are doing well!
Are you teaching at the one in Texas this Dec? Thanks for the video BTW.
Never did that course. But its all stuff i know and how To avoid easy mistake . In fact it should be before going in the wood you should listen To this
If I take notes from watching videos about knot tying compass etc... can I use them when I take the class? Thanks Chris
What liter pack would you recommend for the class? Thank you
This video he's very inspirational I would like to attend the class where do I go to see the pricing the dates times Etc
Hi David, Thank you for your time interest and kind words! If you visit www.selfrelianceoutfitters.com, click the Survival Training tab up top to view the upcoming classes and detailed course descriptions as well as pricing. If you have any other questions, feel free to contact me. I hope to see you out at the school soon!
When would you guys gonna have a class up here in canada specially toronto?
I've been waiting to take the basic class for as long time! Thanks for the great tips and I look forward to meeting you and the other instructors at the school.
One question; what would be the season you'd pick to take the basic class? I wonder which would be he most useful or carry over the most to other seasons.
Thanks Matt!
Personally I enjoy colder weather for many reasons. I guess it comes down to personal preference on the season but I enjoy fire making in the colder weather when you can actually stand to be around the fire. Also the lack of ticks and poison ivy are huge for me.
Black Hat Bushcraft that's great point! Forgot about the poison ivy (which I am HIGHLY allergic to) and those lousy ticks! I too enjoyed the cooler weather! Thanks for the input!
I took the basic class this fall im so happy that I did heat plays a big roll on the body and mind so I say cooler weather for sure
Outstanding description. Like any training, there’s a pass and fail... what are the grading parameters?
Thank you so much for your kind words Carlos. Students are required to succeed on 80% of the deliverables assigned to receive a patch for the course. They may still complete the class and receive a certificate of completion even if they don't reach this standard but to "Patch Out" aka pass, they have to succeed on 80% of their assignments.
seems like you guys only do the classes on the weekend
Can you please give the list of knots to practice?
Watch vid again he runs them at the bottom of the screen
Shame that the website does not give the Class Outline like it does for the Intermediate Survival Training page :)
I was thinking that at one time it did. I am not sure when that changed. Basically the topics are all centered around survival during a 72 hour scenario. Understanding how to maintain your body core temperature buy staying hydrated, building a quick emergency style shelter and creating fire quickly off the landscape are central to the course. We will cover next fire mentality and how to plan and secure your next fire once the first one is established. We will discuss in detail how to maximize the use of the 10c's and also emergency first aid /self aid measures. Navigation with a compass is also a big part of the training. Each class is tailored to the season as some practices are better suited to certain seasons. I hope this gives you at least an idea of the class content. Thank you for watching and commenting Angela.
I will look into that @@blackhatbushcraft
Thank you Dave! Much appreciated sir.@@DavidCanterbury
Id do this class. If lol, I wasn't a broke down arthritic 57 yr old fart. I do brush up on skills youtube has helped me learn compass skills and and many others
I sure understand that. We all have some limitations and the more birthdays we celebrate the more they seem to come in number. Keep doing what you are doing for sure. There is enough videos with good instruction and skills to practice to keep someone learning for a lifetime. The key is to just get out there and actually practice those skills as you can. Thank you for tuning in.
I live in the Bronx that's a survival situation lol
Couple questions.
Are tobacco products allowed?
If at the end of the day you want to cook a meal (I figure if you've gone the whole day training, what's a few extra minutes to put some hot grub in your guts) will I be allowed to do that, even on the final night?
Whats the purpose of the patch?
I have the Pathfinder canteen set, not the 32oz bottle, is that ok?
Whos Datguy Tobacco products would be allowed in the basic class. Also, you are allowed to eat at any time during the class but being busy will make quick foods the best choice during the day. Foods like trail mix and protein bars will serve you well when you don’t have time to cook. At the end of the day once class is done, you can cook something on the fire for sure. We want you to stay hydrated and fueled during basic class so you can perform well. You will receive a certificate for completion of the course and the patch is given to all who pass with 80 percent or better on the deliverables.
@@blackhatbushcraft thank you sir, I'll be attending the basic class this December in Chico TX, looking forward to it.
Quick question, do you sleep under your survival /tarp/blanket for the first night?? The website notes for the course say you can use a tent for the first night. Wasn’t sure if that was recommended though
When I did the course in spring 2017, I (and I think everyone else) slept in my own tent the first night and then under the survival/tarp/blanket the second night.
Stacy is correct in that as of 2018 we did allow students to use any gear they chose for night one. Night two they had to use the methods taught to shelter and keep themselves as comfortable as possible. That could change in 2019 but as of yet I haven't heard of any changes planned.
Black Hat Bushcraft Thank you for the information y’all! I’m actually going to be attending the class down here in San Saba & can’t wait!
Excellent! I wish you the very best at the class and much success my friend!
It would be an awesome adventure! What's the age limit?
I believe the youngest that can qualify for a patch is age 13. I believe 10 to 12 can accompany an adult (free of charge) during the class just as a shadow. There is of course no age cap for adults. I would love to see you come on out brother!
@@blackhatbushcraft I'm seriously considering it! Been a " bucket list" item for awhile now!
That is really cool. I never realized David Canterbury was an instructor at your school. You need to get rid of that Dan guy. He never acknowledges my comments on his site.
Lol, We let Dave hang around, he keeps coming up with good ideas to earn his keep:) I know Dan is a busy guy, have you tried him on FB? Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment my friend!
Dan puts a lot of efforts in the outdoors. He's really cool and will eventually get to you. Remember, he has a family and budding business also. It's also in his busiest time of the year. Don't give up on him.
@@kevinbowen8192 LoL. I have been subscribed to Coalcracker Bushcraft for quite awhile now. I like Dan and his videos very much. He is knowledgeable and humorous. I joke around a lot in the comments (like the one above about Dan) so I guess he doesn't get or appreciate my humor. I don't take it personally but I do joke about him ignoring me. He should be appreciative of viewers like you coming to his defense.
@@blackhatbushcraft Thanks for the response Matt. You are nothing like that snob Dan. LoL. Just kidding. I like Dan, I think he just views me as a troublemaker. (Admittedly I probably gave him good cause to think that way). It's all good, I still watch his videos. I hope like hell Dave reads your comment! LoL.
@@DWerner7822 Lol, if he does I am sure he will take it right, he knows that I know he is the boss lol. He is very easy going at the school and there is always a bit of "ribbing" going on. It is all part of the camaraderie. Thanks again for your time and kind words and Jim.
I do have 1 question/concern. The walking. I walk with a cane. I can push myself pretty far, but takes me longer than most people. I wouldn't want to hold everyone up. How big of an issue is that? Disabled or not, the day may come to need these skills. In real life, im not going to just give up. Been homeless a couple times. Thanks for any info.
I have seen people complete the class that had limitations. I have seen others tap out as well. It is hard to say Ben. I admire your strong spirit and that mindset alone can make the difference. I will be honest with you though and say it will be very challenging, especially considering your situation. I would say read the course description closely on Self Reliance Outfitters site and see if you think it sounds doable. I will tell you that as long as you are giving your best, we will do everything we can to help you get through the course. There are other classes to consider as well that may be good skill learning opportunities for you listed on the site. I wish you the best sir and if I can be helpful, let me know. Take care.
@@blackhatbushcraft wow. Ok. Thank you for the info! I'll check the other classes, and consider further on Basics. I do appreciate that y'all are willing to work with people. :) makes me feel better. Ive watched a LOT of David and Shawn's videos. Both look like good and nice people. I'll have to start watching yours too now. Again, Thanks
@@benmoore1097 They are good people Ben :) Dave and all of the instructors want to see everyone succeed at the school. Dave has a good heart indeed and does so much to share with our community, probably more than many people will ever know. I hope you can make it to the school to receive the training you desire. I would be glad to meet you there. Take care sir.
The “Intro to Survival” and “Bushcraft 101” classes are low-intensity. There is some walking at a slow pace. These may be better matches to your physical abilities, while still teaching you the essential skills.
www.selfrelianceoutfitters.com/products/introduction-to-survival-class
www.selfrelianceoutfitters.com/products/bushcraft-101-class
Buy the video... 4 Days. Dave sells it on the Self Reliance Outfitter website pathfinder school. It's a 2 hour video of the whole 4 days basic class... down to dehydration and students with heat stroke... hiking in 100 degree heat. Going through deep water waist high
Carrying a backpack PLUS a 55 gallon trash bag full of brush for assignments... all of this hikingfor miles and miles. Pretty positive ie 99% to 100% this course cant be done with a cane.... just not realistic. Honest truth.
Young guys getting carried out on a stretcher made of 2 branches and 2 trash bags. Think youll be able to carry someone out? They will switch carriers....
Shout out to Corporal Kelly
For sure! One of the best channels on RUclips.
Matt how can I contact you directly
I use the email blackhatbushcraft@gmail.com. Feel free to message me there.
Do women take and complete this course?
How about a "what to expect at the Intermediate class?"
Shame it’s not in the 🇬🇧
Give it time Shaun! The pathfinder School is expanding all the time. You just never know :)
Out of curiosity why do you all treat it more like something in the military? Most who for example join like the Marine Corps, I did and served 20 years ago and was in the infantry and those who do typically get fit in order to pass the basic fitness requirements before being shipped out to bootcamp. Then, of course, spend 3 months being physically trained for combat service as well as disciplinary required behaviour for the needed functionality for military service. Why force people to be placed into a stress environment with no skill sets? There is no purpose in doing that. You're not trying to make a military disciplined unit. You're trying to teach survival skills. The sleep deprivation should be placed upon advanced classes with people who already have the basic skill sets to draw from. The stress the military uses is done to take people from all walks of life and get them to function together and understand military behaviour and life. I feel this gun ho way of doing things, is time not well spent if you ask me. Instead of humping all over and wiping people out why not just teach and give them the needed skills while using the more advanced levels to turn up the fire a bit. I sincerely think your schooling would do far better by creating incentives to both grow as well as allow people to really master the basics far better. Even in SOI we were not thrown into stress situations till we really learned to master our basic skill sets. Just food for thought.
..Dave doesn't like criticism, he'll either ignore you or delete you.. He deleted me for using Daniel Boone as a point of reference... Boone trapped for months at a time and once he was gone for a year and a half. None of these wannabes could handle that..
We have created a bushcraft 101 class and an intro to survival class which are for people who want exactly what you described, a chance to learn skills in a camp environment with no stress. Those classes fit many people and will give the opportunity for people to learn skills who are not physically able to withstand the rigors of the standard PF survival classes. I think many people confuse the intention of the Pathfinder basic class . It is meant to simulate a 72 hour survival scenario and give people the chance to experience some stress while practicing and performing the base skills needed in such a scenario. It is marketed that way and not expressly meant for beginners. We do have beginners come and pass this class often but it can be challenging for those with little to no experience. As instructors, we do our best to help everyone who comes to our classes to gain the knowledge and skills being taught regardless of experience. However, the course description is clear that this course is not intended to be a laid back skills class but rather an opportunity for those interested to push themselves and to be in a simulated scenario. The students who come to the school and complete the training are empowered through it and always leave the school more confident, more prepared and with a sharpened skill set. I totally understand that this type of training does not fit everyone and is not appropriate for everyone but is rather a niche that the Pathfinder School fills. We have expanded the types of classes being offered in an attempt to be more inclusive and to hopefully share the system with more people. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and for taking the time to watch and comment.
@@rtoguidver3651 Dave probably won't read the comments here on this channel most likely. I am an instructor for the PF School but my YT channel is completely independent from the school and rather my own venture. With that said, I know Dave is a very busy guy and receives a large volume of comments. Sometimes he replies as he has time and sometimes not depending. I am not sure who you are referring to as wannabes, so I won't assume. I imagine it would be hard for anyone to compare to the likes of Daniel Boone. It's a different world in many respects as compared to his day. I know for myself that unless something drastic happens I will never have the opportunity to test myself being afield for months, much less a year. I simply do what I can with the time I have and train hard to learn and practice every skill I can. It's a never ending process for me. I try to sharpen my skills and learn something new every day. The longer I pursue this goal, the more I realize I have to learn yet.
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I joined Dave's FB site a few months ago, and that's where I brought up Daniel Boone, and Dave responded w/ less then gratifying comments.. I always say, "Prepare for the worst and hope for the best".. I have 3 years worth of firewood split & stacked and I'm already acquiring wood to replace this years usage, so I stay 3 years ahead....
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I didn't know you were one of Dave's students, but I learned from his FB site that he will delete you if you don't agree w/ him 100%...I didn't say anything nasty other then wannabes. They want to be mountain men, but they're not.. They're just going thru the motions, like 90% of the fake Christians these days.. I guess I hit a nerve !
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... I went to a Pathfinder Spring gathering in Ohio and I sat 5 feet from Dave in the pavilion, he stayed w/ his own group and didn't talk to anyone else, he ignored me when I made an attempt to say hi.. It was all business to him, he didn't want to make friends, he's all talk, very little show..
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Dave's all about money, money, money !
@@rtoguidver3651 I am sorry you had that experience. I have spent countless hours with Dave as a students and as an instructor and friend and I can't tell you how many times I have seen him go out of his way to help students while going above and beyond the call of duty. I have seen him give thousands of dollars worth of gear to people piece by piece, I have seen him give classes to people who could never afford them simply because he believed the person deserved to come to the school to train. He did this not expecting to receive publicity or anything else in return. Back in June we were eating dinner in Atlanta after Blade Show (Dave, Iris, Shawn Kelly and myself) when a random guy came up and said, "I am sorry to bother you Dave but I am a big fan and had to come and say hello." Dave put down his food stood up and shook that strangers hand and took pictures with the guy right there at the table and thanked him for his support. He did this and after the guy walked away commented how grateful he was for people like that. He commented that if you ever get to big to shake hands with the people who support you then you have lost your way. That is just one small example of countless times I have seen Dave treat people that way. Dave does make a living from what he does however, it is his career and he works extremely hard and at the same time still finds time to share so much with people for free as well. I guess Being a friend, I have seen a side of him that maybe everyone else doesn't. Again, I am sorry you had a bad experience but Dave has a good heart and does a great many good deeds that go unnoticed by the majority of people.
Just to mention the FB Learning center, there are multiple admins there. Very rarely have I seen Dave delete people. Usually some of the other admins take care of that stuff. There are several of us that watch the page closely and make sure the rules are adhered to to keep a positive learning environment. I don't recall seeing the post that you referred to so I am not sure why you were deleted. I have seen people challenge Dave pretty hard on there and he simply responded and let it go. Admins deleting people is usually for either a severe offense or a second offense after warning. Again, I am not sure of your particular case. I am not typing all of this to challenge you or argue in any way but rather just to share my experience over time and what I have witnessed.
No, I don’t think it’s for me, 5K walks little food / water probably cold and little sleep.
Slow is fast, fast is smooth and remeber light is right 👍🇺🇸🫡
An older video but definitely dead on 👍💪reminds me of 1997 BCT ft sill OK joining the Army and there’s no team in I but there is in Me💪🫡