1992 Phoenix Gold MS-275 Overview and Amp Dyno Test

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  • Опубликовано: 14 янв 2025

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  • @smokeyou812
    @smokeyou812 2 месяца назад

    Your always my go to before buying an old school amp. This channel has guided me through probably 25 amp purchases.❤

  • @envisionelectronics
    @envisionelectronics 8 лет назад +1

    Their overload protection was some of the best in the business. I hardly ever saw damaged output transistors in these amps. Thanks for pushing it to the limit!

    • @wal
      @wal  8 лет назад

      Only I've seen better is the Audio Art HC series, 100HC for example.

  • @adambrotherton4382
    @adambrotherton4382 8 лет назад

    Love this amp. Was my first amp powering 2 15" Dr Crankenstein High Voltage subs. Massive box in my civic hatchback that was tuned for 32hz. The output was amazing. Love these dyno tests. Thanks for taking me back to memory lane.

  • @jasonrubik
    @jasonrubik Год назад +1

    We always dreamed of Phoenix Gold, MB Quart and JL Audio. A friend managed to get a used M-50 and it worked great on a pair of 12W1's. For mids, it was Polk MM 5520's. At some point I do remember a PPI amp as well. Ah, the joys of having an older brother with lots of audio friends. As for the MB quarts, I think only one guy had those, but he had 18 10-inch JL's also

  • @DjKamikazee
    @DjKamikazee 8 лет назад +4

    Them phoenix gold amps were expensive back in 1990. One of my friends had a phoenix amp with Rockford fostgate punch subs. Them things used to sound so clean when the bass hits. Back in them days I had a house speaker in my car with a pyramid amp. Bass turn all the way up hearing nothing but bass. I used to turn up the volume high enough before the bass starts to clip. I was young and just experimenting with car audio.

    • @CVLova
      @CVLova 8 лет назад

      its fun experimenting with random subs :D

  • @ehrenkrause9861
    @ehrenkrause9861 8 лет назад

    I've thumped my JL13tw5v2@2ohm sub and never saw the amp shut down. not near the power as my exile 1200.1 but still very impressive. big d has taken my love for car audio to an addiction. now I have connected to people over the US that have the same passion. big thanks.... 😁

    • @wal
      @wal  8 лет назад

      That 13TW5 is a SUPERB sub!! Thanks for the kind words of encouragement

  • @wilkinru
    @wilkinru 8 лет назад +2

    Very nice video. I think the quality is improving on the production side. Man those things pull quite a bit of amps when pushed!
    Btw looks like your views are up 29% in the last 30 days! Over 750 subs in 1 month too.

    • @wal
      @wal  8 лет назад +4

      Thanks bro. It has a lot to do with the Power Acoustik 10k Dyno test I did a few weeks ago. I know these old school Dyno tests don't draw many views, but it's my passion, so I'll just do both. New amps bring more views/subs, old amps bring back memories for my homies

    • @wilkinru
      @wilkinru 8 лет назад

      Keep doing the old school for sure. I'd be interested in the technology too or interviews by those who made them or even repaired them.
      New stuff - why not, gets views and gets people into looking at the old school amps. I was in high school or younger on most of these amps but I fell asleep looking at the RF brochures. You know I'm getting a decent collection of amps going myself...I blame you! :)

  • @davidlarue5713
    @davidlarue5713 8 лет назад

    Phoenix Gold were some of the best looking amps too! Good test BigD!

    • @wal
      @wal  8 лет назад

      +David LaRue I agree...

  • @jamesmurray4312
    @jamesmurray4312 8 лет назад +1

    back in 91 my neighbor was having a job done to his Civic. 39 speakers and 10 Phoenix Gold amps later, he too the competition by storm. for speakers he used MTX. He was running eight 8" and eight 10" subs, built isobaric. his car was even featured in a magazine(I believe it was "Car Audio"). before I learned what a cheater amp was, I would know this car to be decades ahead of it's time. his plate number was"ALL MTX"

    • @jamesmurray4312
      @jamesmurray4312 8 лет назад +1

      I can give you more details on this little car. I can even tell you stories of the rivalry going on between the shop that the Civic build was done in, and one of(if not) the oldest car stereo shop, probably on earth. My other neighbor(the one who introduced me to car stereo) told me that the Civic job cost $83,000.00

  • @wbower74
    @wbower74 8 лет назад

    Awesome review brother and just wanted to say thnx for your time and bringing back some great memories!!

    • @wal
      @wal  8 лет назад +1

      Thanks for recognizing the time and effort it takes to make a video for an amp like this. It will not get many views, but there are some people out there, like me and you who appreciate seeing these amps we always wondered about back in the day. I make these videos to share some history and also out of curiosity

    • @wbower74
      @wbower74 8 лет назад

      Keep it up brother. It's a walk down memory lane!!

  • @jackmahogovv
    @jackmahogovv 2 года назад +1

    Cool old amps. I had the MS2125 back in the day and that thing was a beast. I could kick myself. I sold the car and just left that amp in there like a dummy as it was probably worth as much as the car.

    • @wal
      @wal  2 года назад +1

      Oh man prob so!!

  • @rndmlogin
    @rndmlogin 2 года назад

    I still have my PG MS-275(grey) and it is still running strong. I used to run mine @ 2ohm mono. Only problem I ever had was heat. Great amp.

  • @jamest4363
    @jamest4363 7 лет назад +1

    Of coarse it would be the older videos I haven't seen yet..As of now- I STAND CORRECTED.

  • @TeamJesus515
    @TeamJesus515 8 лет назад

    CAE was the place to get all the info back in the day. I remember once a year they would put out stats on every manufacturers amps if I remember correctly.

    • @wal
      @wal  8 лет назад

      Yessir, it was April every year starting in 1989 for CA&E up until the early 2000's where they changed to June

  • @1sabell3
    @1sabell3 8 лет назад +1

    I remember the 300z issue. I think I still have it

  • @Jules-kv2sf
    @Jules-kv2sf Год назад

    Still got mine bought from Dean Jackson at Automotive Images in Retford in 1992, it was £424! Superb bit of kit

  • @safirijorgensen7842
    @safirijorgensen7842 2 года назад

    Had that amp for over 10 years.
    Brought in 1992
    Classic

  • @aaronhunter2499
    @aaronhunter2499 8 лет назад +1

    I noticed the franken'amp in that book, and the son of. have you ever done a review on either? super rare nowadays, and $2k+ new was a far stretch for most.

    • @wal
      @wal  8 лет назад +1

      The big Frank was just an MS-2125 and MQ-430 in the same chassis while the "Son of Frank" was a MS-2125 and MS-275 in the same heat sink. Yes, they are not easy to come by, most have been gathered up by collectors

  • @nukedathlonman
    @nukedathlonman 8 лет назад

    I miss drolling when seeing equipment like that. But it was nice to droll once again. ;-) Thx

  • @highonthefork1821
    @highonthefork1821 2 года назад

    I had two MPS2240s running 8 Pioneer IMPP 10”s and an MS275 running Boston pro 6.5 set and Boston rally 4” mids in a 1990 Mazda pickup with a cap. Hit 144db back in 1995. That was a lot then.

    • @highonthefork1821
      @highonthefork1821 2 года назад

      Oh, I had the Alpine DSP display in my rear view mirror. Audio control 3XS crossover and dual optima batteries.

  • @chrismelton8182
    @chrismelton8182 8 лет назад

    thanks big D Chris melton here, great videos

    • @wal
      @wal  8 лет назад

      I was wondering who made that comment :-P. Thanks bro, lol

  • @derekrichardson8221
    @derekrichardson8221 8 лет назад

    Awesome video! Love your collection. Being from PDX I know all about Phoenix Gold. Great visions can start out the back of your dads home furniture and appliance store!

    • @wal
      @wal  8 лет назад +1

      Thanks and by the way, you have a great name....just spelled wrong, :-P

  • @badlilstang
    @badlilstang 8 лет назад

    Great video... would love to see an ARC CXLR-4150 on the dyno

  • @ansalon72
    @ansalon72 8 лет назад

    Impressive, as always.

    • @wal
      @wal  8 лет назад

      Not near as impressive as that MS1k nickel :-O

    • @ansalon72
      @ansalon72 8 лет назад

      +Dereck BigDWiz ;)

  • @jamest4363
    @jamest4363 7 лет назад

    This amp makes its numbers

  • @JEM7678
    @JEM7678 2 года назад +2

    If this amp was taken to the factory it had the ability to be 1/2 ohm stable pushing 4 Sound Stream subs 15" with little to none distortion.

    • @geoffdiaz1977
      @geoffdiaz1977 2 месяца назад

      I believe that buddy I still have that amp and I was running 310 w 6 the amp is bulletproof play purchase the back in the day I bought it in 94 you can also had all separates amplifier for each configuration of speakers Andy courts when they were made from Germany like the real good ones you know what I mean where is that f****** weird ass hot chocolate eat amplifier was set up for each component setup 5 amps total into crossovers to manage power to the right place and a precision power equalizer next to my driver's seat still have all my old lamps have 10 of them kicking around and some JL audio 12 w6s my 10w 6 is a soul to my cousin and he got an accident with very disappointed with my not going to meet you amplifier very depressing

  • @RTwesthoff
    @RTwesthoff 6 лет назад

    I had this amp on 4 10” Hott setups by Orion @ .5 ohms..... it would go in protect every once in awhile,but that was after heavy play time.

  • @brettaylor2661
    @brettaylor2661 6 лет назад

    Thanks for all the great videos, thanks to you I was able to cancel my cable TV subscription, this is so much more entertaining. Anyway, I used to go to the stores and stare at these back in the day, but could not afford one. I did eventually save up and get a Punch 60 DSM. Now I'm interested in collecting some of these old amps and subs and am currently rebuilding some early Punch 15" subs. My question is, do these amps, this one in particular, need to be reconditioned to be reliable? Thanks and keep up the good work.

  • @Cappadonna72
    @Cappadonna72 8 лет назад

    Nice video..
    Have you ever review the old school Xtana 403a amp? I have one just sitting in the closet that I have never used. Ive had it for over 10 years.

  • @Brian1.
    @Brian1. 8 лет назад

    love these vids brother.

  • @infexiousxx
    @infexiousxx 8 лет назад

    Love it. Great video as always bigd!

    • @wal
      @wal  8 лет назад

      Thanks for watching, commenting and the positive feedback. It is much appreciated

  • @HifiVega
    @HifiVega 8 лет назад

    Wanna be the best? Ya gotta get that MS!

    • @wal
      @wal  8 лет назад +1

      I put it to the test and found out unlike the rest...I could attest (it's one of da best)

  • @greash6573
    @greash6573 4 года назад

    Love my ms250 you ever dyno a bostwick hca amp

  • @chadro_g1145
    @chadro_g1145 2 года назад

    I see one problem with the 1ohm mono test. If you look @ 4:40, you have it wired mono, but the stereo/bridged switch is in stereo....whoops!

    • @wal
      @wal  2 года назад

      That doesn’t matter. Switch just uses one input. Amp can run stereo and mono simultaneously so there would be no difference switched to mono or not

    • @chadro_g1145
      @chadro_g1145 2 года назад +1

      @@wal I knew the stereo and mono part, I ran one of mine that way till I could afford another. I thought I remembered the manual saying something about putting it in bridged when just using 1 channel. Sorry, it's been a few years back now lol. I love the videos man. See if you can find a pro line driver, a eq215 or 230 from PG and share them with the world. Oh, that Ti series stiffening cap thing they made too. It looked like an amp, but had a huge amount of small caps in it, setup to give a larger capacitance with a quicker charge/discharge rate. Those were cool as hell too. Oh, last one I promise, but a cyclone sub would be great to see again.

  • @farzulali7021
    @farzulali7021 8 лет назад

    i wanna see the jl audio 750.1, 1200.1 & 600.4 amplifiers being tested...

  • @MichaelJohnson-fy3hy
    @MichaelJohnson-fy3hy 2 года назад

    Have you tested a Phoenix Gold mx800.1?

  • @73Xtian
    @73Xtian 8 лет назад

    interesting that a MS275 packs more power than a M100 @ 2ohm certified.
    if i understand correctly the dynamic burst is what the amp can deliver during a short time.
    on their website i see it's 20ms for 1khz and 100ms for 40khz.
    what does that mean for the really stretched bassnotes on bass cd's, some are 5sec or longer, will the MS275 handle them better than a M100?
    Great work, love your amp test videos..

    • @wal
      @wal  8 лет назад

      The Certified test is up to 10 seconds of a rising test tone, so yes, if you have long bass notes, then pay more attention to the certified or uncertified tests

  • @TSC-Detroit
    @TSC-Detroit 8 лет назад

    excellent vid

    • @wal
      @wal  8 лет назад

      Thx bro!

  • @cbr1thou
    @cbr1thou 8 лет назад +1

    my friend had this amp running half ohm on solo 10s back in the day. this amp can take .5 ohm

  • @geirkarlsen3476
    @geirkarlsen3476 2 года назад

    It was expensive but it was so good amp.. never had it but my uncle had one..

  • @compcast
    @compcast 8 лет назад

    Do you know the specs on the earthquake d2 amp I'm waiting on you to test one

  • @15zerosheen
    @15zerosheen 8 лет назад

    Can you dyno test my kicker xs100? I've seen your informative cheater amp video on it, and i wanna know if mine will actually do that.

  • @stacy532
    @stacy532 8 лет назад

    i had this amp before i even had a car i had my bass priorities straight .. mine was grey as well

  • @ryanmoore9877
    @ryanmoore9877 8 лет назад

    that's nuts

  • @Mr13allin
    @Mr13allin 4 года назад

    Big D you think it’s worth me spending extra on the new PG Ti3 1600.6 for a SQ build I should I stick with my JL RD 900/5?

  • @krismichalsky
    @krismichalsky 7 лет назад +1

    So, did anyone catch the MPH-6300 in the Car Audio magazine price guide selling for $23,500? It came with it's own 190 amp CHROME alternator and a 9 band EQ.
    The price on these amps went up to $99,000 at one point, I don't really know why. I'm sure someone else, or even Big D himself can chime in on this?
    Oh BTW, I'm about to score a possibly non-working MS-2125 for $100 or less, we shall see!! Wish me luck!!

    • @wal
      @wal  7 лет назад

      +Kris Michalsky yes and it was a prototype...and I know who has it (not me) 😉

    • @krismichalsky
      @krismichalsky 7 лет назад

      Oh wow, someone actually has an MPH-6300?? I just want to see a real picture of one. Never seen one before.

  • @firstsoundraiders3445
    @firstsoundraiders3445 8 лет назад

    bigdwiz have you tested a rockford fosgate 1000 25 to life?

    • @wal
      @wal  8 лет назад

      No sir, hope to pick up one of those sometime. From the birth sheets, looks like it does between 900-1000W at 1 ohm (sub channel)

  • @thomasbyers9153
    @thomasbyers9153 8 лет назад +1

    Taking inflation into the equation that amp would be around $795 today. Amazing how the dollar per watts has gone down.

  • @greash6573
    @greash6573 4 года назад

    I got a ms250 thanks to the web i love older amplifiers

    • @wal
      @wal  4 года назад

      Awesome! Make sure you replace those filter caps!

    • @greash6573
      @greash6573 4 года назад

      Williston Audio Labs Already was replaced and inspected before I purchased itDo you have any of the Dino numbers from it

  • @realgomez27
    @realgomez27 5 лет назад

    So. What would be the best way to wire this amp. I have 2.12'' rocksford Fosgate hx2. Dual. 4 ohm (150-500 watts rms) 250 watts rms per coil as the specs say.

    • @wal
      @wal  5 лет назад +1

      Wire each sub in series, then parallel the two subs for a 4 ohm mono load

    • @realgomez27
      @realgomez27 5 лет назад

      @@walOK Wil. Do that as of now I think I have them at 4ohms.2 channel when I do what you suggested will. I leave the switch in the bridge possion. Or not. And will this be better that if I were to wire them to a final 4 ohm load. Into 2 channel(bridge) wiring then in series. Then wire both terminals of each sub. to the +. And - as a mono diagram

  • @MAMMOTH702
    @MAMMOTH702 7 лет назад +1

    Didn’t you This amplifier head to head with the Rockford Fosgate Punch 150hd Your power outputs in Watts was considerably lower in that test I own 2 Phoenix Gold 275 and. A 2125I used to own 2 Rockford Fosgate Punch 150sThe difference in power and sound quality of the Phoenix Gold is hands down has a lot more clean power .I had my 2125 driving 4 Kicker 12”Comps .It drove them hard .It was drawing so much current it literally welded the 4 gauge spade connector to my fuse block ..Phoenix Gold back in the day had bar none the best built ,most powerful 4 ohm and best sounding amplifiersI still have all 3Of those amplifiers in my closet I am now running a Phoenix Gold 1200.1 on My Bass with Polk Audio high end car subsWith a 200.4 on my highs with the Phoenix Gold high end line .I forgot what they called themThey were made by Morel. The 7” and 6 “ mid bass have a 3” voice coil .I have 3 sets of thoseThe sound is amazingI appreciate your passion and your videos I just say that the power ratings on the 275 were inconsistent in both videosThe 275 is a 400 watt amp .The 2125 can easilyDo 1000 WattsI been to the Phoenix Gold Factory.The former Ownwr Keith was a friend of mine .So I seen my amps actually get bench tested .The Speaker Engineer who designed the X-Max and the Mechanical sub they made .I forgot the name of it was designed by Dominic Bonenencontri He also designed the Zero Point separates I knew everyone at the plant .I still talk to There installation manager Jerry Demaze .He was the one who would brutally test these amps and speakersThere was another Deaigner names Bill who started his own line of speakers .I will find out the name of his company Phoenix Gold used to make all of Bob Carvers Professional amplifiers They did everything in house .They even made the housing for there amplifiers.

  • @grimreaper7862
    @grimreaper7862 8 лет назад

    whats the sa1.0 these are old also aren't they

    • @wal
      @wal  8 лет назад

      +Daniel Lloyd Sapphire series PG, their budget line at the time

    • @grimreaper7862
      @grimreaper7862 8 лет назад

      Are they old someone gave it to me original box and book is only 90watts by 2ohm i think thought it was cool tried on a type r pushed pretty good for small amp

  • @eddie-nc8gu
    @eddie-nc8gu 8 лет назад

    Dummy light that was funny 🙂😆😆great video.

    • @wal
      @wal  8 лет назад

      Amp is bulletproof. I should have talked about the importance of swapping the caps though

  • @chrismelton8182
    @chrismelton8182 8 лет назад

    still like to see 650 Mosfet RMS please

    • @wal
      @wal  8 лет назад +1

      That one and the Power 1000 Mosfet need to make their way to the Dyno. I've tested them, but wanted to get more historical info for the video. Wayne Harris gave me permission to use some video footage of his early "Terminator Hearse", so that would be really cool to add to the video as well

  • @emerybryant
    @emerybryant 8 лет назад

    :o wow that perfect 14.4 volt number! lol could not have been more perfectly on it if you tried XD good test tho. lol good amp. wish the newer ones still performed as well. but they kind of just barely meet spec if i recall right now :(

  • @Tekjive
    @Tekjive 2 года назад

    I just scored the Gray MS275 that’s literally
    Mint, blows even Bid D’s example out the water, lmk if anyone wants a pristine, untouched, perfectly working example of this amp, looking at you Big D ;) lol

    • @charlespetersonii6989
      @charlespetersonii6989 Год назад

      Still forsale?

    • @Tekjive
      @Tekjive Год назад

      @@charlespetersonii6989 sold it bro, to a collector, even he couldn’t believe how well preserved it was, literal time capsule. His top example MS275, and this coming from a dude who collects Frank’en’stein, Rte66, Bandits, etc.

  • @TommyboyGTP
    @TommyboyGTP 8 лет назад

    Oh yeah these and Orion amps were a big deal back in the day. Love those old magazines, they're like a time capsule! I had a huge collection of them awhile back but over the years i've thinned them out quite a bit, unfortunately. Thanks for another old school blast from the past!

    • @wal
      @wal  8 лет назад +1

      I thinned out my magazines and brochures during a move about 15yrs ago. Still kick myself. I wanted to scan them all before tossing, but my wife convinced me I would not need them again. Since, I've spent the past 10yrs getting them back...

  • @jondoe6618
    @jondoe6618 8 лет назад

    man that was expensive back in the day for a small (nowadays) amp.

    • @wal
      @wal  8 лет назад +2

      The price you pay for quality and having something made in the USA

    • @sherkhan808
      @sherkhan808 8 лет назад

      Made in the USA is right :/

  • @mustanghino
    @mustanghino 2 месяца назад

    qualcuno può spiegarmi le differenze tra la serie grigia e quella bianca?

  • @kevinmead1820
    @kevinmead1820 8 месяцев назад

    I worked at a shop that sold those. They were also made in Portland where I live so they weren’t hard to get. Swapped a 275 with my 280GX. The 280 was put back in my truck a couple weeks later. I was not impressed with the PG at all.

  • @wal
    @wal  8 лет назад +2

    First to comment, I have an advantage, lol

    • @rodneysahlin3961
      @rodneysahlin3961 8 лет назад

      hey i have some amps that need to be repaired and i was wondering how i could get in contact with you to see about me sending them to you to fix and test them maybe?

  • @rmblwgn
    @rmblwgn 6 лет назад

    One for sale $350 on ebay right now

  • @greash6573
    @greash6573 4 года назад

    I'll give you a Phoenix gold MS 250 for your infinity perfect

  • @privatestockrecords1
    @privatestockrecords1 8 лет назад

    I have a MS-250 in excellent condition, will you be interested? I swap it out with a JL 500/5, so I no longer need this amp, Hit me up BigDWiz.

    • @wal
      @wal  8 лет назад

      Yessir, I may be interested. Can you email me bigdwiz (at) gmail dot com? Please send some pics. Thanks!

    • @greash6573
      @greash6573 4 года назад

      I just watched your video of the MS 250 on the 6 by 9s Big D did you ever get one of these to test

    • @greash6573
      @greash6573 4 года назад +1

      I just picked up a mint condition one for 15 bucks

  • @ryanmoore9877
    @ryanmoore9877 8 лет назад

    check the MS1000 on eBay big d

    • @wal
      @wal  8 лет назад

      yeah, chump change. Let me go empty my pockets...uh, not quite, lol

  • @schummiehugo
    @schummiehugo 2 года назад

    he. i haf one. bay it in the 90ste, ant now in 2022 stil haf the basterd ! hahaaha

    • @wal
      @wal  2 года назад

      Just get it recapped before powering it up. These were known to leak and can permanently damage the amp if powered up without changing

    • @schummiehugo
      @schummiehugo 2 года назад

      @@wal i wil do, it is now in a brand new condition so no damage now.
      mi otter amp ( a house amp ) realistic SB300 is now repaird . lokking for the write parts for it.
      ant wen this job is don, i do mi phoenix gold ms275.
      asking, is ther olso a test of the FRANK AMP, N STEIN ? olso a beast that time.
      GR

  • @safirijorgensen7842
    @safirijorgensen7842 2 года назад

    There was a switch inside amp you had to turn on to run 2ohms.
    I'd put a fan on it and amp wouldn't stop ♡