In 1992 I built a E30 M3 from the ground up and it became the very first Dinan E30 M3 with full Dinan package, stage 3 engine rebuild, GTCC group 5 suspension and 3 piece Dinan wheels and a host of upgrades everywhere, What was missing was the sound of the stereo system. I contacted AMS stereo in San Jose, CA and after many days of consulting, we decided on a set up using this AMP for the sub woofer (Valedyne sub) and MB quart separates all around the car. We used 1 MS-2250 and 2 smaller matching Phoenix gold amps for the rest of the system. Each of the smaller amps ran the left or right side of the vehicle. To this day, I have not heard anything that could come even remotely close to the quality of sound that the system produced. at any price! I miss those days...
I'd just like to add, that this amp is 20+ years old to boot. That was an absolute SHIT-TON of power back in the mid 90's. Nowadays we see cheap class D amps making a few thousand watts no problem. This is a high-biased class A/B amplifier. Impressive doesn't begin to describe it.
Thanks for doing this test , still have my ms2250 that ran my 3 w6 15s years ago . Had to give it a test after years of being offline , works like a charm . Glad to see most old school is quality . Keep up the good work my friend !
+mika Laupola just be careful with those MS series...they are known to have leaking capacitors. I would suggest swapping them out before using this amp. They are superb amps, especially the 2250! I can imagine one of those on a trio of 15W6's was a slammin' setup 👌
BigDWiz The W6 subs back in the day were the go to subs. They go DEEP. And are legendary. I would still run some older W6 subs today. Eric Stevens who started Image Dynamics stated the W6 subs were one of the subs he looked at when designing the IDMax subs. Soundstream Exact was another. Those along with the Reference subs were made by Scanspeak.
+BigDWiz Wish I kept those subs but the salt air here destroyed the foam surrounds . Wish we had recone kits back in the day for my w6's. Man I could play those invisible notes in master p's "I miss my homies song" For me w6's sealed was the way to hit clean low powered bass that would tickle ppl in traffic & cause them to wanna shoot you with their eyes :P
mika Laupola Yep....even back in the day you had a lot of cars that hit hard in the upper bass. But very few hit LOW and loud. The JL subs were beasts. I would actually like to compare the W6 v1 to the current model.
THIS IS SPARTA!!! Sorry but an amp this epic deserves an epic comment. This legendary reference amplifier is one of the best ever made ladies and gents. You just keep on knocking us out Wizzy. Keep it up!
Wow that's really dropping heavy power and doing so with real consistently. That's very interesting how consistent it was with the three low 1400 watt pulls. Seems very stable but wow, HOLY AMP DRAW BATMAN!!!! Great demonstration sir!!!
that is so badass!!!! man, why don't companies build stuff like this anymore. Great work as always big wiz!!!! I think I will watch it again!!! thank you!
Those amps were indestructible... I remember in the show room, we had an arc test board made by phoenix gold, a piece of metal with a wire that was use to short the speaker output and make electric arc while playing music material ! this was a demo to "impress" customers but they were really well build amps... I had a single MS275 that was running 11 speakers in my car with a XVR passive crossovers ! I had a AVI MX front door component set (+4), 1 front center channel (+1), 2 Oz 300H subs (+2) and a set of rear fill component spakers (+4) for a total of 11 speakers ! great series of amps !
Holy $#'+! My mouth is still on the floor...LOL! That is one mean old school amp! I remember drooling over magazine pics of that amp back in da dayz of CA&E and AS&S.
One of the most powerful oldschool amplifiers! Love it!!! Keep in mind that 2ohm bridged on the ms-2250 is not recommended! Even on 4ohm bridged you need to run the cooling fans Because of the small heatsink! (Same as the ms-2125 / mps-2500 or mac-500 ) Beautiful amp btw.
+Dereck BigDWiz It's got me wondering if maybe the 2125 had some type of internal problem. I remember that video & I was suprised as hell that it didn't make over rated power. I had a couple of old MS & an MPS (Their professional low impedance line) amps back in the 90's and they all made gobs of power. I didn't have a dyno to test them of course...
Back in the day i always was jealous of the people running phoenix gold amps and JL subs. I thought they sounded incredible together. It would be so interesting to hear a system from that era again.
I always loved those amps when I was a kid. PG was the first to really push showing off the guts. It was always Soundstream and PG for me. Unfortunately I never grabbed and of those MS series. I installed a ton of them in vehicles but for some reason I never added any PG to my arsenal. Kicking myself now.
Used these amps after changing over from Orion 250 & 2100 HCCAs in the 90s. Wasn’t disappointed at all. Even bought 2 of the MS2250 numbered reruns in 2004 from McKinney Sales for display purposes. Most amp manufacturers don’t make them like they use to.
Very respectable. One of the installers that worked at the shop I worked at put down the $$$ to get one of these and he was never 2nd best when someone pulled up next to him. Not many amps that get that close to doubling power when halving the resistance.
+john wanamaker I was reading a very old (1990) test of the Phoenix Gold MS-250 and the reviewer at the time (Joel Cohen) said even this amp could draw over 100A for short bursts. It was the first Phoenix Gold amp, later to become the MS-275. This MS-2250 was the mack daddy of Phoenix Gold amps!
When I hear Phoenix Gold it takes me back always enjoyed the power they put out. There is one more amplifier I always wanted to hear and only seen them in the really high end car audio store was the Mcintosh car amplifiers loved the blue power meters.
I had McIntosh and I agree with the above statement that these PG amps are very musical amps, they just have a presence that no other amp possesses. I would take PG any day over anything else, car audio wise.... Now for home, well......
So the only difference between MS 2125 and the MS 2250 is the power supply section so in theory if the power supplies were updated you could make a 2250 out of a 2125?
+TCBABY1 the ZX and ZPA amps are fantastic as well, but the MS series are special to me as the first one I saw in a 1989 CA&E (MS-250) stole my heart 😍. The gold plated circuit board and meticulous wiring showed the attention to detail and that corners were not cut with these amps
The kicker CXA series of amplifiers is the same way having three different models the lowest being 300 RMS then 600 RMS and the higher being 800 RMS, But all three models use the same casing
Toroid size could be an indication of switching frequency. looking at mag inc. toroid power chart the same size toroid can deliver more than twice the power if moved to 100khz from 20khz albeit an increase in switching losses.
Who did the recap? When I last used mine about 18 years ago it kept on blowing fuses. So I stored it away and I’ve always wanted to get it running again.
Most home improvement stores have a specialty screw section and may have replacements. I can ask the Phoenix Gold group on RUclips if they know the size
what are your top 5-10 amps of all time ? Most efficient, lowest distortion, bulletproof design, best sounding,etc. Have you bench tested the new linear power amps ? They are expensive but are they worth it ?
+Pat Kowalczyk just off the top of my head, tops would be 1) RF Power 1000 MOSFET 2) Audio Art 100HC 3) RF Punch 200 DSM 4) Phoenix Gold MS-2250 5) Orion NT200. I have tested a new LP amp, the LP2250. Check it out on my channel.
While everyone looks for the max output for subwoofer operation did you test the MS2250 in any stereo configurations to see how it performs compared to it's manufacturer's ratings? If you still have the amp after 2 years (since this video was published) I'd be curious. Anyway I enjoyed the testing. I worked in the business back in the day and currently still own several big boy Phoenix Gold amps; 2-MS-275, 1-MS2125 and 3-MS2250 T/A. Many others owned in the past and since sold; Reactor to name one. Also have some lesser XS and Tantrum series stuff but we won't talk too much about them. HA HA... EDIT just watched again after watching some of your other videos and noticed you did do an 8 ohm mono test which gives me the 4 ohms stereo output.
Just watched one of your new video and heard you say you'rs in NC. Where in NC are you? I have 3 MS-2250 T/A since you were curious about what the differences were I could bring one for us to check the differences and test.
Does the 2250 have a see through bottom....... Thats kind the same case with the kicker Cxa series of amps.... Being that there are 3 different models with certain Rams ratings, the lowest being 300 RMS then 600 RMS and the 800
Wow, I am impressed. I always kinda thought phoenix gold were cheap crappy amps. I guess the old school ones were good. I didn't get into car audio until the early 2000's.
+Jon Doe : Our 90's American made amps wasn't cheap, back in those days. If you wanted Cheap. You would have to buy LA sound, Targa, Moble Authority, Jensen, Pyramid, Rockwood etc...
If it was the only extra electrical load you put on the car's electrical system, then probably. Eventually you will fry the alternator, and you would want to run no less than like 1 AWG cable.
love how you got the m44 just hanging out. I had both the m44 and ms 2250 in one of my old systems and it was like heaven. now I understand why at 2 ohm mono it was so hard to hold voltage. did you happen to record the amp draw at 2 ohm mono. I've always wondered. thanks for the dyno bigd.
+george elve the M44 was kindly donated to OSS a few months ago by a loyal subscriber. It needs a little TLC, but I'll get it up and going sometime in the future
Reason I ask is the one looks to have a 500xx serial number, mine does too. From my research the MS-2125 serial numbers started with 21xxx. I am trying to figure out what exactly a MS-2125 with a 500xx serial number is. I have read that the MAC-500 came with a 500xx serial number. In this video you also pointed out that this MS-2125 has IRFP054 MOSFETs, from what I have read the original MS-2125(s) came with IRFP044 MOSFETs. But the MAC-500 came with IRFP054.
+car46999 I had my serial number verified a few years ago by a former PG amplifier engineer. Mine is an MS-2125. Very interesting what you've found in your research though 🤔
Wow i remember only the high end guys had the shrouded models and the guys without them just had them mounted heatsink up and noone in my area thought they were anything special lol , Hey Big D where could one download some of your dyno sheets? i have the AMM1 and have been dynoing some amps here and there and would like to be able to provide the customer with proof so to speak for them to show their friends/Team mates
+splaudio1 I've been planning updates to my website for quite a while with access to amp tests and results. I'll provide an update video when this is complete. There's a great German site that has a lot of amp testing info. If you use Google Chrome, you can easily translate the page - amp-performance.de/
just keep bringing out the truth about car audio that's why i watch your ch cause you show the truth on both low end and high end audio like the cab you got the most out of that amp than any one i seen test it your the dyno test king as far as i'm concern
Hey man I have a old school Concept audio cc-d1200 and I have had it for at least 12 years an it's never skipped a beat but I always wondered if it was pretty underrated because I've burnt up a lot of subs on this thing. So I was wondering if you might be able to get your hands on one for a dyno in the near future:)
+Tericainyaass ™ I'm always getting different amps in to test, but you have to realize there are 1000's of amp models over the years and understandably everyone wants to see their amp tested 😬
Why would you not have dyno'd it at 4ohm stereo? It would have been more Interesting to have seen what power it made per channel at 4ohm as thats how a lot of people will run it for mids and tweets!
Damn my favorite amp. I ran that sucker on the fist rockford fosgate pro 12" X 4 and it was the supreme. Then i moved do live sound. Check out my site someday. THANKS BIG D!
See, I just don't get it. Why are companies making and pushing all these sh*t amps being produced today? I mean, PG is (IMO) the best car audio amps ever made. I'm not talking about power here, I'm talking about how they are very musical amps. They reproduce music better than any amp I've ever heard. I have had McIntosh, RF, PPI, Alpine, etc, and PG is still by far the best. Who the heck needs a D-class dirty ass amp, when you have PG that produced these Class A/B amps and they make just as much power, and it's clean power. I'm still pissed off that someone stole my M25 and my M50 about 15 years ago. I will own them again, I swear on my life. Currently the only two PG appliances I have is a PG XS2300 and an EQ215iX. The EQ I bought brand new in 1997. Yes, I've had this guy for 20 years. Yo Big D, keep up the good work. I'd love to see some more PG testing. How about a test on a PG XS2300? I've heard they can pull over 300 watts pretty easy.
I just finished watching an interview where they interviewed Larry Frederick, and he shared the history of Phoenix Gold, and what happened before this, over on 12V talk...and I have no connection with that channel, just a fan of audio of all sorts.
+Freshkryp69 Sorry bro. Hey, the way I see it, the Orion 2100 HCCA didn't lose value when I did it's Dyno video, so this one shouldn't gain any value :-O
+vietcong4u It is an Alpine CDA-9815 and you can see my earlier video where I test the great voltage and ultra-low THD this head unit outputs - ruclips.net/video/Fza-1zludTA/видео.html
In 1992 I built a E30 M3 from the ground up and it became the very first Dinan E30 M3 with full Dinan package, stage 3 engine rebuild, GTCC group 5 suspension and 3 piece Dinan wheels and a host of upgrades everywhere, What was missing was the sound of the stereo system. I contacted AMS stereo in San Jose, CA and after many days of consulting, we decided on a set up using this AMP for the sub woofer (Valedyne sub) and MB quart separates all around the car. We used 1 MS-2250 and 2 smaller matching Phoenix gold amps for the rest of the system. Each of the smaller amps ran the left or right side of the vehicle. To this day, I have not heard anything that could come even remotely close to the quality of sound that the system produced. at any price! I miss those days...
Love the old school phoenix gold stuff. I could never afford it back then as I was just a kid.
Me too neither 😬
I'd just like to add, that this amp is 20+ years old to boot. That was an absolute SHIT-TON of power back in the mid 90's. Nowadays we see cheap class D amps making a few thousand watts no problem. This is a high-biased class A/B amplifier. Impressive doesn't begin to describe it.
+Kevin Williams You said it bro!
👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Thanks for doing this test , still have my ms2250 that ran my 3 w6 15s years ago . Had to give it a test after years of being offline , works like a charm . Glad to see most old school is quality .
Keep up the good work my friend !
+mika Laupola just be careful with those MS series...they are known to have leaking capacitors. I would suggest swapping them out before using this amp. They are superb amps, especially the 2250! I can imagine one of those on a trio of 15W6's was a slammin' setup 👌
BigDWiz The W6 subs back in the day were the go to subs. They go DEEP. And are legendary. I would still run some older W6 subs today. Eric Stevens who started Image Dynamics stated the W6 subs were one of the subs he looked at when designing the IDMax subs. Soundstream Exact was another. Those along with the Reference subs were made by Scanspeak.
+BigDWiz Wish I kept those subs but the salt air here destroyed the foam surrounds . Wish we had recone kits back in the day for my w6's. Man I could play those invisible notes in master p's "I miss my homies song" For me w6's sealed was the way to hit clean low powered bass that would tickle ppl in traffic & cause them to wanna shoot you with their eyes :P
mika Laupola Yep....even back in the day you had a lot of cars that hit hard in the upper bass. But very few hit LOW and loud. The JL subs were beasts. I would actually like to compare the W6 v1 to the current model.
love these amps, epic power output
+www.GPcarAudio.com thanks for watching and commenting
The panasonic fans those came with at that time were some of the best fans you could get. Very nice motors in them.
THIS IS SPARTA!!! Sorry but an amp this epic deserves an epic comment. This legendary reference amplifier is one of the best ever made ladies and gents. You just keep on knocking us out Wizzy. Keep it up!
+Kevin Williams Yes, definitely did not disappoint!
Wow that's really dropping heavy power and doing so with real consistently. That's very interesting how consistent it was with the three low 1400 watt pulls. Seems very stable but wow, HOLY AMP DRAW BATMAN!!!! Great demonstration sir!!!
that is so badass!!!! man, why don't companies build stuff like this anymore. Great work as always big wiz!!!! I think I will watch it again!!! thank you!
+MrCpsloco thanks man 👊
Just picked up a Phoenix Gold TI1600.5 and man these have to be some of the best looking amps of all time.
damn fine numbers....one of the best power productions from an old school you have done.
+Ryan Moore especially for the size! I believe the RF Power 1100a2 may be a little more powerful, but it came out 5+ years after this amp
My friend still has this Amp with the fan shroud and all. He use to run it to two 15 inch JLW6s. His system rocked
Those amps were indestructible... I remember in the show room, we had an arc test board made by phoenix gold, a piece of metal with a wire that was use to short the speaker output and make electric arc while playing music material !
this was a demo to "impress" customers but they were really well build amps... I had a single MS275 that was running 11 speakers in my car with a XVR passive crossovers !
I had a AVI MX front door component set (+4), 1 front center channel (+1), 2 Oz 300H subs (+2) and a set of rear fill component spakers (+4) for a total of 11 speakers ! great series of amps !
+Aleziss very cool!
sorry, I made an error, this arc test was ONLY for the ZPA amplifiers and NOT for ANY other Phoenix Gold amps... DO NOT TRY THIS ON ANY AMPS !
Holy $#'+! My mouth is still on the floor...LOL! That is one mean old school amp! I remember drooling over magazine pics of that amp back in da dayz of CA&E and AS&S.
Yessir, pretty sweet and glad to see it performs as well as we all expect from this legend 👍
Back in '96 and '97 won many shows with Phoenix Gold amps!!!!
I have a ms2250 with fan shroud in box. And always wanted to see it on the dyno
First to watch after many hours of editing....enjoy, lol
BigD, I need some amps,
+rome seveneightsixnine Ray Rayfield - LinearPower.com , Freeman's Stereo in Charlotte, NC - Jason Gibson, I have others if needed
Thanks homie! Will look up...
One of the most powerful oldschool amplifiers! Love it!!! Keep in mind that 2ohm bridged on the ms-2250 is not recommended! Even on 4ohm bridged you need to run the cooling fans Because of the small heatsink! (Same as the ms-2125 / mps-2500 or mac-500 )
Beautiful amp btw.
+Daan kuyper Good point, I should have stated these facts in the video. I'll update with annotations and the video description as well
Wowzers! I certainly did not expect that after the 2125's somewhat bland performance. Great video btw keep em coming!
+hifivega I also had some doubts this amp would meet it's rated power, especially when physically compared to the 2125....guess I was wrong
+Dereck BigDWiz It's got me wondering if maybe the 2125 had some type of internal problem. I remember that video & I was suprised as hell that it didn't make over rated power. I had a couple of old MS & an MPS (Their professional low impedance line) amps back in the 90's and they all made gobs of power. I didn't have a dyno to test them of course...
Back in the day i always was jealous of the people running phoenix gold amps and JL subs. I thought they sounded incredible together. It would be so interesting to hear a system from that era again.
+Sub Experiment my plans are to use this amp to either power a pair of OS 15W3d4's or trio of 8W6's
I had 2 of the team pg 2250s and 4 jl w6 15s back in the day man it was killer!
I always loved those amps when I was a kid. PG was the first to really push showing off the guts. It was always Soundstream and PG for me. Unfortunately I never grabbed and of those MS series. I installed a ton of them in vehicles but for some reason I never added any PG to my arsenal. Kicking myself now.
Used these amps after changing over from Orion 250 & 2100 HCCAs in the 90s. Wasn’t disappointed at all. Even bought 2 of the MS2250 numbered reruns in 2004 from McKinney Sales for display purposes. Most amp manufacturers don’t make them like they use to.
I would love to see this and several others retested now that the power supply has improved.
I was floored at 4 ohms, then 2.67, then 2ohms wowwwww! I am SOLD! Keep up the awesome vids.
+1trucavalier Boom Shocka locka! Thanks
Very respectable. One of the installers that worked at the shop I worked at put down the $$$ to get one of these and he was never 2nd best when someone pulled up next to him. Not many amps that get that close to doubling power when halving the resistance.
+Mickey Pietrzak it appears the '95 CA&E directory says the MS-2250 retailed for $1700. Man, that was a big chunk of change!
+Dereck BigDWiz That's why I didn't have one. His was pushing 3 12w6's in a hatchback mustang.
legend status for sure.... the current draw was nuts!!
+john wanamaker I was reading a very old (1990) test of the Phoenix Gold MS-250 and the reviewer at the time (Joel Cohen) said even this amp could draw over 100A for short bursts. It was the first Phoenix Gold amp, later to become the MS-275. This MS-2250 was the mack daddy of Phoenix Gold amps!
love seeing the amp dyno in action. i loooove gooold.
+indopleaser I love the Dyno too, but this amp is going to be used as the sub amp in my upcoming demo system
wow, amazing video bro. I was shocked it did so well. nothing but respect, keep these videos coming... awesome.. 😀
+mike waters thanks for watching and commenting 👍
Oh my what a work of art ! Geez that thing is a monster though
+rc121crx no doubt!
I had this amp powering two kicker 15” back in the early 90’s
Quite a setup!
@@walI wish I never sold that amp, I do have a Phoenix Gold Reactor with the yellow case, man I really miss those days
I remember! This was fun thank you
Holy Crap!! That's way more than I was expecting
It's amazing how a Grandpa amp can hold its on to the younger generation. All it need is Viagra(Large gauge power wire) and goto work.
+mustang6035 lol
When I hear Phoenix Gold it takes me back always enjoyed the power they put out. There is one more amplifier I always wanted to hear and only seen them in the really high end car audio store was the Mcintosh car amplifiers loved the blue power meters.
+xalint1 oh yeah, McIntosh and those VU’s are just drool!!
I had McIntosh and I agree with the above statement that these PG amps are very musical amps, they just have a presence that no other amp possesses. I would take PG any day over anything else, car audio wise.... Now for home, well......
that amp pulls some serious amperage
+Marvin Williams feed it the juice, get he smiles
I like the new graphics. Beautiful amp.
+adam watkins Thanks bro. I was impressed with it's performance!
Crazy power! Those buss bars aren't just for looks.
+kurttug righto! Current flow like MC Hammer flows raps on da mic 😜
So the only difference between MS 2125 and the MS 2250 is the power supply section so in theory if the power supplies were updated you could make a 2250 out of a 2125?
Dam. Wish u did 2 channel driven as well
Love Phoenix Gold. I still use my ZX500 going strong.
+TCBABY1 the ZX and ZPA amps are fantastic as well, but the MS series are special to me as the first one I saw in a 1989 CA&E (MS-250) stole my heart 😍. The gold plated circuit board and meticulous wiring showed the attention to detail and that corners were not cut with these amps
The kicker CXA series of amplifiers is the same way having three different models the lowest being 300 RMS then 600 RMS and the higher being 800 RMS, But all three models use the same casing
Toroid size could be an indication of switching frequency. looking at mag inc. toroid power chart the same size toroid can deliver more than twice the power if moved to 100khz from 20khz albeit an increase in switching losses.
Reminds me the two xs2500's I used to have in high school. Have you ever had a xs on your dyno BIG D?
Excellent performance..
+John “TMONEY” Furious quite impressive for a 20+ year old Class A/B amp if I do say so myself
Who did the recap? When I last used mine about 18 years ago it kept on blowing fuses. So I stored it away and I’ve always wanted to get it running again.
There is a Phoenix Gold group on Facebook with a ton of techs. You can also contact Linear Power and they have techs who can work on these amps
Dang I wish I could get my amp Dyno to see what it is actually putting out
Hi great video, Do you know where a person could by amp terminal screws for these amps?
Most home improvement stores have a specialty screw section and may have replacements. I can ask the Phoenix Gold group on RUclips if they know the size
what are your top 5-10 amps of all time ? Most efficient, lowest distortion, bulletproof design, best sounding,etc. Have you bench tested the new linear power amps ? They are expensive but are they worth it ?
+Pat Kowalczyk just off the top of my head, tops would be 1) RF Power 1000 MOSFET 2) Audio Art 100HC 3) RF Punch 200 DSM 4) Phoenix Gold MS-2250 5) Orion NT200. I have tested a new LP amp, the LP2250. Check it out on my channel.
hey Derek could you please do a test of the a/d/s 860mx? please thank you very much
While everyone looks for the max output for subwoofer operation did you test the MS2250 in any stereo configurations to see how it performs compared to it's manufacturer's ratings? If you still have the amp after 2 years (since this video was published) I'd be curious. Anyway I enjoyed the testing. I worked in the business back in the day and currently still own several big boy Phoenix Gold amps; 2-MS-275, 1-MS2125 and 3-MS2250 T/A. Many others owned in the past and since sold; Reactor to name one. Also have some lesser XS and Tantrum series stuff but we won't talk too much about them. HA HA... EDIT just watched again after watching some of your other videos and noticed you did do an 8 ohm mono test which gives me the 4 ohms stereo output.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Nice test, what size a the AGU fuses in that amp?
+Angel Villareal don't know for sure, I'll check and let you know
+Dereck BigDWiz ok thanks
Just to add info. They are 50A
Why not nowadays? Damn. I'm smiling watching this
It’s a thing of beauty!
What did it cost back then ?
fortunate indeed but what else would we expect from Mr. Old school BigDwiz
+TheAirken93 ✌️😬
Just watched one of your new video and heard you say you'rs in NC. Where in NC are you? I have 3 MS-2250 T/A since you were curious about what the differences were I could bring one for us to check the differences and test.
can i send you a zapco 1100.1 old school to run dyno on?
Does the 2250 have a see through bottom....... Thats kind the same case with the kicker Cxa series of amps.... Being that there are 3 different models with certain Rams ratings, the lowest being 300 RMS then 600 RMS and the 800
The plexi bottoms were available for some PG MS/MPS amps and the special edition ones came with them for sure. Not this amp though.
Do the new phoenix amps make their numbers?
Excellent
Wow, I am impressed. I always kinda thought phoenix gold were cheap crappy amps. I guess the old school ones were good. I didn't get into car audio until the early 2000's.
+Jon Doe Check out their current model Elite series amps...they are made with some serious quality components
Dereck BigDWiz I just did and almost fell over when i seen the price. like a dollar per watt?? And i thought jl was expensive!
+Jon Doe PG trumps JL in the SQ build dept..
+Jon Doe : Our 90's American made amps wasn't cheap, back in those days. If you wanted Cheap. You would have to buy LA sound, Targa, Moble Authority, Jensen, Pyramid, Rockwood etc...
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW
+miguel medina (mikeunivers) 😱
Could a standard electrical system in a car handle running this amp at 2 ohms?
If it was the only extra electrical load you put on the car's electrical system, then probably. Eventually you will fry the alternator, and you would want to run no less than like 1 AWG cable.
what was 2ohm 2400 watt current pull.
+Scott Miller The current measurement in the dynamic runs appear to be inaccurate, so I usually don't post them
have you tested a PG mps2500 yet?
I believe John Hrabik from Pittsburgh is still competing with these amps in his suburban
I’ve seen pics and vids, would love to see it in person
love how you got the m44 just hanging out. I had both the m44 and ms 2250 in one of my old systems and it was like heaven. now I understand why at 2 ohm mono it was so hard to hold voltage. did you happen to record the amp draw at 2 ohm mono. I've always wondered. thanks for the dyno bigd.
Yeah, iirc that M44 is part of his shop system. Gotta have some tunes in the workspace.
+george elve the M44 was kindly donated to OSS a few months ago by a loyal subscriber. It needs a little TLC, but I'll get it up and going sometime in the future
BigDWiz,
Is the MS-2125 in this video the same one that you dyno'd previously?
+car46999 yessir
Reason I ask is the one looks to have a 500xx serial number, mine does too.
From my research the MS-2125 serial numbers started with 21xxx. I am trying to figure out what exactly a MS-2125 with a 500xx serial number is. I have read that the MAC-500 came with a 500xx serial number.
In this video you also pointed out that this MS-2125 has IRFP054 MOSFETs, from what I have read the original MS-2125(s) came with IRFP044 MOSFETs. But the MAC-500 came with IRFP054.
+car46999 I had my serial number verified a few years ago by a former PG amplifier engineer. Mine is an MS-2125. Very interesting what you've found in your research though 🤔
what did this turkey go for in its heyday?
+herbyverstink $1799, but came with a fan shroud (not shown here)
Wow i remember only the high end guys had the shrouded models and the guys without them just had them mounted heatsink up and noone in my area thought they were anything special lol , Hey Big D where could one download some of your dyno sheets? i have the AMM1 and have been dynoing some amps here and there and would like to be able to provide the customer with proof so to speak for them to show their friends/Team mates
+splaudio1 I've been planning updates to my website for quite a while with access to amp tests and results. I'll provide an update video when this is complete. There's a great German site that has a lot of amp testing info. If you use Google Chrome, you can easily translate the page - amp-performance.de/
Man, please, massive audio amplifier bolt 1000.4, you review? Is good?
can you pls dyno the pioneer spl champion edition 2000
1:16 that middle leg could do with some work 🎉
holy smokes batman, that amp is amazing
+cobaltxtr not too bad, eh? :-)
Dizzie, how many amps do you own? This one is crazy. Nothing from PG impressed me...UNTIL NOW!
+SOC 7 at least 5, at most 500 😝
+Dereck BigDWiz Oh my gosh! Hahaha! :D
sweet video man i have a freind that is making those metal covers here in australia if your keen
+jade voss awesome, please send me his contact info. I'd be curious to learn more about this. bigdwiz (at) gmail dot com
+Dereck BigDWiz will do ill get all details of my mate whats your email ?
+jade voss bigdwiz (at) gmail dot com.
Dereck BigDWiz iv sent you a email let me no if you get it
very nice
+masterblaster735 thanks for watching and commenting!
just keep bringing out the truth about car audio that's why i watch your ch cause you show the truth on both low end and high end audio like the cab you got the most out of that amp than any one i seen test it your the dyno test king as far as i'm concern
I am lucky to have one in my car, on double Kicker 1500W RMS sub :)
Yo Big I can get a Phoenix Gold MS-2240 for 100.00 worth it?
+hand to hand combat yes, just make sure you get the caps swapped as they are known to leak on the MS/MPS models
Thanks!
Hey man I have a old school Concept audio cc-d1200 and I have had it for at least 12 years an it's never skipped a beat but I always wondered if it was pretty underrated because I've burnt up a lot of subs on this thing. So I was wondering if you might be able to get your hands on one for a dyno in the near future:)
+Tericainyaass ™ I'm always getting different amps in to test, but you have to realize there are 1000's of amp models over the years and understandably everyone wants to see their amp tested 😬
Lol I know man, just keep doing what you're doing and love the content!☺
Came across one at the local pawn shop today. They are Selling it for $699.
Where at?
@@fullertontv5291 I put it up on aFB forum abs they sold it in less than two days.
Why would you not have dyno'd it at 4ohm stereo? It would have been more Interesting to have seen what power it made per channel at 4ohm as thats how a lot of people will run it for mids and tweets!
It did 772W at 8 ohms mono so that’s equivalent to 386x2 at 4 ohms
Thumbs up Dereck.
+duneberry666 Thanks dude!
Damn....... I was waiting for a 0.5 ohm test. Hahaha. :)
Is U crazy 🤷♂️
Wowzers!!!!! 😳
My dream amp that i never could afford
+Greg Sudiste very cool amp indeed!
Would you sell that amp.
+Shad Chollack (soundbarrier) sorry bud, this one is going to be used in my upcoming demo system
Damn my favorite amp. I ran that sucker on the fist rockford fosgate pro 12" X 4 and it was the supreme. Then i moved do live sound. Check out my site someday. THANKS BIG D!
Somebody please 3D print The wiz a fan shroud for that amp
See, I just don't get it. Why are companies making and pushing all these sh*t amps being produced today? I mean, PG is (IMO) the best car audio amps ever made. I'm not talking about power here, I'm talking about how they are very musical amps. They reproduce music better than any amp I've ever heard. I have had McIntosh, RF, PPI, Alpine, etc, and PG is still by far the best.
Who the heck needs a D-class dirty ass amp, when you have PG that produced these Class A/B amps and they make just as much power, and it's clean power. I'm still pissed off that someone stole my M25 and my M50 about 15 years ago. I will own them again, I swear on my life. Currently the only two PG appliances I have is a PG XS2300 and an EQ215iX. The EQ I bought brand new in 1997. Yes, I've had this guy for 20 years.
Yo Big D, keep up the good work. I'd love to see some more PG testing. How about a test on a PG XS2300? I've heard they can pull over 300 watts pretty easy.
+Kris Michalsky yeah man, I’ll get one of those to test eventually. I greatly appreciate the PG MS series
I just finished watching an interview where they interviewed Larry Frederick, and he shared the history of Phoenix Gold, and what happened before this, over on 12V talk...and I have no connection with that channel, just a fan of audio of all sorts.
Classic Class AB Amp, they just don't make them anymore!
+Anthony Lee PG's current Elite series are impressive and I'm pretty sure they are listening to us old schoolers about what we like 🤔
Want to test a PG mps2500? I have one with fresh caps I would let you test if you covered shipping and don't ride it too hard :)
+Scott Sorensen thanks for the offer. I believe I have another offer which includes shipping and asking to push it to the limits 😜
lets wait 2 months to go public with the vid :)
+Freshkryp69 Sorry bro. Hey, the way I see it, the Orion 2100 HCCA didn't lose value when I did it's Dyno video, so this one shouldn't gain any value :-O
Whoa!
+sleepyboytx surprise, surprise, surprise 😳
Very!
That amp was a head light dimmer 4 sure
melt the gold and sell it LOL.... hey what type of alpine head unit you got?
+vietcong4u It is an Alpine CDA-9815 and you can see my earlier video where I test the great voltage and ultra-low THD this head unit outputs - ruclips.net/video/Fza-1zludTA/видео.html
And then they went to sh!t mid 2000.