Real world amp Dynos the Phoenix Gold M100, M50, M25
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- Today is our first amp dyno test video. We have 3 classic amps from Phoenix Gold that Jeff Smith let use use. The M25, M50, and the M100
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I remember these amps well. As one of the first to complete with them.for a full season ('93). I think your M25 has some.serious issues. First major competition with them was at Spring Break Nationals, in Daytona. Lots of memories. Actually made the brochure later that year (for when the M50, and M100 were released). Funny story, when Larry Frederick visited us at our store, he casually told us that M stood for "moron" as not even a moron could blow up one of these amps. He then remember that both of our installers, both of whom were in the brochure, were using the M series. The look on his face was priceless!
I still have one of my M25's running a pair of 8's in my garage. Gotta love the way they are built!
Awesome! Love to see more Amp Dyno vids!! I never tested the M50, but have tested the M25 and M100 in the past. Great idea to show all 3 and it was cool to see the manual and original packaging from the 90's. Keep up the great work!
That's your job. We can't have everybody doing dyno run's. Somebody has to install the stuff!
Just remember, the M series was PG's "entry level" line before the Sapphires came out! The MS was the main line, the MPS was the competition line, and the M line was the entry level.
They need better series names.
Man that’s the most detailed amp manual I have ever seen. Explaining thermal dynamics with images so people understand. They don’t make them like they used to
My favorite build of all time had the prototype of this series in the car. The build was done in 1991 and it housed 6 M100's, 2 M50's, and 2 M25's. They ran 39 MTX Blue Thunder series speakers. That whole car was ahead of its time and funny part is, the owners name is Jeff.
I like the video format, but wish you would overlay the advertised power at the bottom, for comparison. Keep up the good work, guys!
Really appreciate the manual overview! I wish more manufacturers gave this level of detail
If y'all still have, or run across an old PG amp in the wild, DO NOT try to power them up until you've had them re-capped. Not even "just to see if it works". All of the old PG amps, every last one of them, the caps have failed by now. It's a well documented issue.
Re-capping them is pretty easy, but, if you fire it up and the caps pop, the damage can be absolutely catastrophic.
My first non-swapmeet amp was an M25. I loved every bit of it. It even powered a pair of Kicker comps very well from that era
Thank you Jeff! I remember those amps from the 90's. Had no idea they were that badass! Thanks guys.
For "entry level" amps, they sure had a TON of bang for the buck! They were originally kinda spensive but worth every penny!
Yeah I used to love them back in the day
Pretty sure I still have my M25 sitting somewhere in my garage. I should go dig it out!
I like the way you edited this. Different and to the point, awesome to get 3 amps in under 20 minutes. Adding in the unboxing, history, and details was enjoyable. Lastly keeping the voltage at a typical vehicle range is great.
This is such a cool video. Thanks for covering so much. When I was in high school, I worked for a car stereo shop. I foundly remeber doing a single Lanzar 50c in a big Caddy. Had 4"mids, 6.5 midbass, tweeters, 6x9's and 2 15"s. It was amazing. But the work it took to get it all in and custom crossovers was nuts. Great job showing us all the details provided by the manufacturers way back when.
Have recently bought an M25, had it re capped and it is now running a tri mode passive system in my Tiguan. Very clean sound.
I had an M100 and an M44 back in the day, ran 2 8" custom Fosgate box for an 82 Trans Am and a set of OG MB Quarts. I do miss that system and plan on building an old school system again for my new 22 Taco
Had the same, M100 feeding 2 Kicker S12s @8 ohm mono and the M44 with Boston Pro series 6.5 components in the front with kicker 6.5 rears. They were in a plexiglass fan cooled case and when I sold them in 2000 they were still mint condition and I got nearly what I paid for them as I sold them to a buyer outside the US where they weren't available in that country. Audio Control EQX and 4XS rounded out the system.
I used to run the M100 on two JL Audio 12's ported in a blow thru in my Toyota Pickup. Loved that amp
My Buddies first amp was an M50 on 2 JBL GT10s in 4th order bandpasses in his Daytona hatchback. It was scary loud!
I'll add, you guys always give us great content but this, I've been late for work over a you tube video once in a great while but I've never cared less. Freaking excellent stuff guys. Def loved how you took the time to break down the m100!
I have a tantrum 400.4 and a RX600.5 and i love both of them
I just picked up an m100 from a local auction here in Michigan. Unbelievably, I won it for $20. So I'm guessing it didn't have a high reserve. I took the top panel off to examine the internals. They seem fine. So the next step is going to be wearing it up and making sure it works okay. I haven't decided yet whether or not I should keep it or sell it. As I know this amplifier could potentially bring in hundreds of dollars based on other sellers on ebay. But I think I kind of found a diamond in the rough if it still works. And even if it needs some repair, there is a local electronics repair shop not far from where I live that would repair it for a reasonable price. It's quite nostalgic considering about the time this amplifier was produced, is right around the same time that I started getting into installing car audio.
You guys cutting in on Big D lol 😂 I like it. please up you input voltage to 14.4v for better consistency. Love your content.
Not going to happen. We are going for real world power.
@@FiveStarCarStereoInc Ok then do something that no other channel is doing. So if you are going for real world power then hook 1guage to a running car and run that to the battery then test. I know it would be louder because of a running car but it would be as authentic as you can get. Did you test at 40hz or 1k? Makes a difference. As always I love the channel. 👍🏻
I bought the m50 used in 02, it was my 4th amp. It sounded very clean. I sure wish I'd have held onto it, they're absolutely gorgeous amps!
I really enjoyed this episode. You seemed to geek out about the owner's manual info...so cool. 😎
That you guys for putting the 5 Star Twist on the amp dyno...👍💪💪
Have a brandnew never used M25 in a box with all the papers :)
Its amazing how good those amps look for as old as they are. Great video keep up the good work
These were their first amps ever produced( saphire came out a few years later, as ‘entry level’), then the Ms series, ( zpa series)then the ZX series, titanium, xenon, xs- all their amps were 1 ohm stereo,=2ohm bridged( they were ahead of their time back then, imo)cyclone subwoofer was very innovative for the time; thats why I miss old pg, bc they weren’t worried about trying something different- all made by hand in portland, off of Decatur drive, or street or way( their Limited edition amps, like sofa, reactor, route66, were very cool, imo) one day Id love to have a reactor(& thats class a/b 1154!!!!!!!!)
Um no, the MS/MPS series was first.
I still have several old school PG amps in my collection. I have two M25's and one M50. I still want to get my hands on an M100 however, they are beastly.... Oh and these amplifiers sound beautiful BTW...
Also, judging by the way that the M25 dyno'd I bet it needs new rail and filter caps. I've seen M25's put out more than that before.
On Edit: These amps had what's called optical isolators also called an optical diode. These devices used light to pass the signal onto the amplifier power section of the amp. This allowed the 12v power supply and the power amplifiers to basically be separated by using light signals instead of a hard wire. This kept out power supply noise and what not.
I have a mint one redone by Steve mantz and another one 8/10.grrat amps
Please do more of these
Thanks for the video guys. Have a GREAT DAY.
sick fellas! i love the m series. Ive got all of them nib fully restoed one of my m100s was fuolly rebuilt by steve matnz.
Keep testing amps !!! This is great !!
Thanks for all of your work guys!
If Jeff has any old Orion HCCA amps I’d love to see a test on those. I had a 425 HCCA in the late 80’s. Maybe even a test on the old XTR line too.
@William Price
I think Dereck aka Big D Wiz/Williston Audio Labs has run some of those on his amp Dyno.
I no longer have any of my HCCA amplifiers, but still have my *Orion DEQ30* 30-band Digital EQ with Toslink Digital input and 3-pin balanced mini-XLR inputs & outputs.
I'm using it as a "High-End" headphone amplifier for my high-end headphones that still need a bit of EQ. :)
Would love to see you guys do an old school 1 amp system with with an Orion HCCA, Fosgate Punch, or PG M Series in a extended cab Nissan truck :)
Loved seeing the old PG stuff. My first pair of amps were the MS 275s. They don't make them like that any more... I hope to see you test the Morel Amps soon. Especially the 5 channel A/B + D ;)
The m25 and 50 were my first ever amps in 1993. I thought I was the man. 😂 great job guys.
You were.. they were great!
I use to have 1 of these back in the days
I know it's not the same models but this makes me miss my Phoenix Gold ZX450.4 and ZX500.1
I used to love the look of PG amps. They look at home in a Sea Foam Green mini truck. LOL
I was wondering why I kept bringing my subs back to the shop the M100 was blowing them lmaoooooo
I remember when we first got these in the store I worked at back then. After installing a few, I immediately picked up the MS275 and MPS2240 which I still have and am looking to sell. They were some powerful animals but I think I’m accumulating too much equipment
Do NOT try to power them up until you've had them re-capped. Not even "just to see if it works". All of the old PG amps, every last one of them, the caps have failed by now.
Re-capping them is pretty easy, but, if you fire it up and the caps pop, the damage can be absolutely catastrophic.
Yeah. I’m familiar with that. I don’t plan on using them, I’d rather sell as I have no need for them anymore. I’ll prob pick up a AC 4.800
@@michaelbloom5342 I swapped caps on my Outlaw before trying it and yes they had started to leak.
Rail caps where good but the rest needed to be replaced.
Runs great now👌🏻
the first non-POS amp i had was a M44 running 4 kicker comp 12s back in the late 90. one set up i miss sooooooo bad.
Have you heard of CT Sounds and their products? They look quality but hard to find alor of video reviews on them.
Love the channel, it has helped me much
People say you wouldn't hear the variation in voltage across the channels but pretty much double the output, you would hear. Not sure it counted up clean or something. That was def weird
Would love to see a video like this of the older waffle grill punch series of amps. I currently have the 40, 100, and 200 and wouldn't mind seeing a video of those like the one you just did
When amps were built to last
@Jeff Smith
@Five Star Car Stereo
Beautiful amps, Jeff! Thanks for letting Dean put them on the Dyno.
Do you still have any of your tiny *Xtant 1.1i* Class D full-range SQ monoblocks that Dean can put on the amp Dyno?
I purchased 2 or 3 of those *Xtant 1.1i* amps from you out of your comp car back in the day on the ECA forums.
I used them for a long time in several installs with great results. The last install they were in before I sold them on DIYMA was a 1st Gen (BMW) Mini Cooper S.
I had 6 of the *Xtant 1.1i* monoblocks powering its entire 3-way front stage, plus a *Xtant 301a* monoblock for the *Infinity Beta 15x* subwoofer.
At different times the six *Xtant 1.1i* amps powered a 3-way MB Quart QSD component system, and then the Diamond Audio Technologies (D.A.T.) 1st Gen HEX series 3-way components with the silk tweeters.
Used the *Sony Mobile ES CDX-C910* & *CDX-C90* head units with the *Sony ES XDP-4000X DSP*
Great sound and good times!
I didn't get into the Phoenix Gold amplifiers until the *PG Ti-series* which were impressive as well.
get the voltage up to 14.7 and allow it to drop to 14.4 and show 13.8 as well.
I had both an m50 and an m100 the m 100 was stolen still pisses me off 25 years later those amps powered a car stereo that would blow your shorts off. Phoenix gold quality stuff even to this day.
Man, I always wanted those but never could afford them. Now I can but they hard to come by.
You sure you don't want my amp to test? Even a near mint (functionality) RF P4004 from 2004 with the dancing RF logo 🕺lol
Oh boy old school amp dyno video ...lol...seems like I've seen a video like this lol
so rad, do you know have they been recapped?
My only comment, you read in the manual the ratings somewhat wrong.
Example: 12v/13.8v........40w/60w
You stated between, not rely Bretagne but at those voltages. 12v = 40w and at 13.8v = 60w due to its unregulated power supply.
Minor thing I know.
Get the voltage up
Something wrong with that M-25. Great amps though, I have a few of each of them, including the M-44. M stood for Moron, it wont change if you run them at 1 ohm.
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I thought the voltage is supposed to maintain 14.6 volts when running certified
14.4. But he is testing it at a voltage like it will be ran at in the real world. Very little cars run at 14.4
Super wrak
something's wrong with that first one.
1992-96 the exact years I was in HS 🤣👍
ill bet that M25 needs recapped
Early bird
Phoenix Gold M100, If you can't get bass play good with that you need to go and look to mirror to see what's wrong...
Can m25 at mono make 2ohm stable?
It did not work at the power.
@@FiveStarCarStereoInc thank you very much i lern from you and fernando many many cool thinks.
So next to the other one!!!
The M series would only go to 4 ohms bridged. The MS would do 2 bridged and the MPS would do 1 ohm.
@@tccoggs my sub specs says is peerless to drive it with an amp 4ohm but it must hold 2 ohm stable too,is it safe to connect them together???
Thank you
@@tomilaw7996 if you wire the 2 4 ohms subs together in parallel then it will be a 2 ohm load, so the M25 will probably shut down. If you wire them together in series that will be an 8ohm load and the amp will be fine, but don't expect huge power out of it. The M amps were solid but just weren't designed for low impedance loads like the MS/MPS were.
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they don't give you the build specs anymore because most of it's just chinese class D(oodoo)
First?
Talk about cheater amps!
Do you still have these amps?