AKAI MPC...BAD STEMS OMG!!??
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- IN THIS VIDEO I TALK ABOUT AKAI MPC NEW STEM SEPARATION!!
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Sampling can be magic in itself. That's why I love my Akai S900. Sure doing it the old way may not be as convenient anymore, but it's fun.
I feel you on that..Them old machines give you a real hands on feeling.
Rest in Peace TAME ONE!
Yes Sir!!! No doubt!!
RIP
Can wait to go through the ol' vinyl collection and stem out those 'if only they wernt signing there samples '🎉
No doubt!
This is a nice feature akai is bringing to the mpc line up, like you said it won't be perfect, but is a new tool that can come in handy for certain situations. Why does It seem that as technology gets more advanced the music gets worst , has technology made musicians lazy and made them all sound the same? Or maybe I became a grandpa and no one has told me yet 😢
Lol I feel you back in the day we had only 10 seconds and we made Legendary Music!
I agree,cats are getting super lazy
True that! The more restrictions you had , the more creative you became...
I'm 29 you not old bro everybody follows the latest trends now 😭👎🏿🗑️
@@jazzatnightbig fucking facts 🤲🏿💎💯
You hear the artifacts and it makes it sound like a 64kbps mp3 from kazaa/limewire days. you know that nailed it!
I dont sample phases or loop too much. I sample for source sound and create a new sound/program. This awesome! Anyone who complains about this can't be satisfied. They will always be chase the next thing.
I think the people that complain don't really understand the purpose of stem creation technology. It's just a relatively cheap way for producers to create interpolations of samples as opposed to having to hire musicians to do so, which would most likely be much more expensive. Besides, I'm sure as time passes the technology will be improved.
The MPC community will always complain Lol.
@@DyReckProductions
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True. Hell, I've been complaining about the software's midi handling and lack of native vst3 support.
@@DyReckProductions facts 😆
@@dugnice Lol.
Next video: stem separation :
what had happen wasss???
LMAO!!!..Definitely sounds like an episode!!
I think it’s a nice feature that I might never use even once. Waiting for them to fix the many midi bugs and finally bring disk streaming. And of course I want the X SE board as an upgrade kit for my X.
Disk Streaming!!..Yeah alot of folks wanted that.
@@Bilpokat It's a one time process they may use a lot of CPU power until it's done. Then it's just a normal sample.
I still sample. Always have, always will. I think stems is going to really make me use my MPC One more. Ever since it was introduced, I started taking out vinyls that I had sampled before in the 90s. Getting ready to resample exactly what I wanted to sample as soon as stems drops. Stems is going to be lovely for me.
Yeah, lot's of fun to play with at home.. But if you are in the industry and wanting to release music. Different story. People don't realize what these new technologies does to the industry, and the art of making music. Sampling was controversial enough back in the day..But this, will be interesting to see how this develops. Nowadays u don't need talent to make beats. In the near future I believe it will come down to exposure and algorithms..
@@mrb2534 You are right about sampling in the music industry. It is one of the reasons why I had stopped making music years ago until recently. I was mainly sample based when it came to making music. What I created sounded ridiculously hot, but most couldn't be used. This is why I started buying synths, to replay what I wanted. But I think with stems, it will make some sampling cool again, as long as you do not go overboard with it. It is going to be fun though.
Cool, I'm a hardware guy too, even though I have replaced some of my synthesizers with vst's. Mostly using hardware now for sampling.. Thing with stems is there is still copyright laws, and content recognition software has become pretty good. We'll see what happens. But if there's money to make, they are gonna build it and use it.. For me it's a dealbreaker. Being a mostly sample based hiphop producer, I feel it is ruining the art.. U release something, the next day some kid is using your sounds..When everything is available to grab that easy, kids are gonna go nuts. We are talking homo sapiens here, we develop stuff all the time that often is not for the best :) Money money money..Akai kind of participated in a big way to wreck the game. But they are not alone.. AI developers is helping out with that too.. @@georgegeez8708
Lol the artifacts on the wrong side reference lool, creative lol
Lol!! No doubt..That hook been in my head all week lol.
This stem technology would have been on point 20-30 years ago - the ‘traditional’ method of EQing/Filtering Samples to isolate samples or just hunting for days for ‘open samples’ on records that have isolate music or isolated drums is so ingrained in my music
I feel you!
That was part of the art.. Diggin, and the joy when u found that open sample.. Guess we can forget about signature sounds, uniqueness, and to some extent talent. With AI evolving and getting more available, shit is looking even worse, imo@@DyReckProductions
All them have artifacts including serato,you still have to clean the stems regardless what stems separation software you use.Been using serato lalai, rip x and a lot of other
Yeah Lalai is pretty good..I wish it wasn't cloud based and I can download and use it like a plugin.
I agree with you, I was thinking to myself, is sampling in there. Then I said, sampling will never really go away. Old school producers can re-sample those difficult records again. The New school might find value, but they have so much and they don’t know the difference and may not appreciate the all in one box. I’m just mad because I spent a thousand dollars a couple of years ago for this same program that everybody is getting almost free. I’m trying to remember the name of the program, it’s on one of my laptop 💻 that I let my wife have. I was watching the RUclipsr Ave Advertising it and I brought it, and lol I thought I had a secret sauce. I guess I won’t sell my MPC X and Mpc. Force yet. These days I make all my beats on my IPad and finish them on my laptop Abbelton live. iPads kick ass.
Dang!! I feel you 1000 dollars is a grip!!
It's cool but I haven't felt like I needed stem separation since way before it was a thing. I know what I'm doing with filters and eq.
No doubt.
of course we want this.....We saw all these demos of the MPC software doing this. but thinking of the limited processing power of the standalone MPCs, one cant help but to think there WILL be catches lol
I feel you!
There's a catch to all of the currently available stem creation products. That's because the purpose of stem creation technology is to offer sample based producers who aren't trained musicians and can't afford to hire trained musicians a relatively inexpensive way to create interpolations of samples themselves.
The quality of the results may not be as good as if one had hired well experienced professional musicians to replay a sample, but you get what you pay for. If you want that level of quality, hire musicians.
@@dugnice as a DJ that has been experienced with stem separation for more remix purposes (rather than beat making), I'm well aware of how the scale of quality can vary depending on the sample itself and the processing it needs to render with the correct hardware. However, my concern was more of a situation where standalone MPC users would be required to be connected to WiFi for cloud stem processing........like current various stem separation sites. Which would be a pain in the ass lol.
The 1.8 GHz quad-core ARM Cortex A17 processor and 2 GB of RAM of the original MPC X, Live, etc doesn't make standalone stem processing sound smooth at all.........unless we would be required to wait about 5 minutes per 10 second sample 😂
@@dn30001
I'm wondering since Andy Mac said that MPC stems will come to standalone *after* being released for the desktop software in March and the speculation that a new MPC is being released this year (based on an image that indeed appears to be a new MPC in official MPC Stems advertising), will the feature only be available in standalone for future MPCs, with current machines needing to be in controller mode? 🤔
@@dugnice I sure hope that isn't the case being that I would have to ditch my MPC X😅..that would probably give me the only reason to make room and buy the 61Key 😒
The only thing I worry about is
cpu maxing at a few stems
We need disk streaming now!
I’m excited because I’m trapped in the 90’s like Nas said and proud of it. I buy a lot of Sound packs or at least I used to from Drum Broker I’ve taken a little break lately but for most packs on that sight you have two options the samples in they’re entirety for 29.00 or you can get the whole samples and the separated stems for 59.00 I never purchased one of those because I refuse to pay that just to get separated stems. So yeah I’m beyond excited for this update 💪🔥👍.
I feel you on that.
And it's gonna work better on that stuff cause these softwares work better on modern recorded music.
No sound packs in the 90s just records.
Jesus. Compared to no stems? This is pretty damn cool
Im excited about it
For me, 8-10years ago this would of been good. I moved away from sampling. Working with instruments gives you more control over the music. Plus, I don't want to make a fire beat, it blows up and somebody comes around saying I used their music.
Probably will be good for symphony music. This is what I'll use this feature for.
Factz
No doubt.
I got the mpcx updated to 2.13 but I did not get the feature of stems separation any idea how to fix that?
Perfect analogy!!!!!!!! Way too soon in that technology's life, to release it.
Ima check it out though..I been using a cloud base app whenever I wanted to try the stem separation thing.
The artifacts it leaves makes it damn near unusable. AKAI's sister company under the InMusic umbrella, Denon DJ implemented Stem Separation in their Standalone DJ consoles which I've had since the Beta came out & it's the same algorithm for the AKAI plug-in. It's not horrible but it isn't good either. I'm sure it'll get better in time but they rushed it out just to say they were the 1st to do it on Standalone gear
Yeah eventually in time someone is gonna master Stem separation.
Once you build on it the artifacts won't be much of a issue. Remember back in the day we used to filter samples sounded like crap but we used it and made it hot.
True..Some samples even literally has the drums still in it.. And the song still bumps hard.
the consistent aliasing texture you hear on samples that were sampled to the sp1200 at 45 rpm and then pitched down isn't intrusive like this. I've heard stems that sound like they're being drown in the ocean you know the way a 128kbps mp3 sounds.
To a degree, sampling is a skill, which takes some talents. 🔥👍🏿
Yup!
The $5 Koala app gives you stem separation, Akai is definitely late to class 😂
And even then it's not the best but I love my koala
Yup!
Really?? I've had that app for a couple years now, maybe I should give it a chance.
I can’t say this enough. It’s going on 3 years 😂😂😂😂
@@DLZMKSBTSit’s the best!
The best thing that happen in music!
Serato already does this very well, Koala does it meh. Akai why can’t we get a graphical EQ?😂
Just hope they do there best with the artifacts.
Koala is best ! Fym?!
@@TheNumbasign2 I use both & Serato has less artifacts than Koala, but don’t just take my word for it do a side by side test yourself
@@chosenonebeats artifacts?
@@TheNumbasign2 test it out for yourself bro you’ll figure it out
I'm never gonna stop sampling or digging for vinyl. I just hope the quality is good when you stem out on the MPC. The software update is pretty cheap 😂 But I think it cool I guess. To be honest my eye is on a MPC 3000 and selling my MPC X
The 3k is Nice!!
I saw AKAI put up that video yesterday LOL. Stem separation is totally 2016. If I want an acapella there’s better ways. It’s funny because Algoriddim had this on their DJ software several years ago and now Traktor has had it for a few years. And Serato got stem separation last year.
It’s like that SP-303 vinyl sim effect. It’s kinda an amateur thing that’s cool for YT demos and it’s not bad but it’s not exactly intended for pro work.
It’s like if you want that pumping bass from sidechain compression. Are you gonna use the Mother Ducker effect on MPC Live/X/One? Maybe it works fine in your situation. And there’s sidechain on the Circuit Tracks and on the TR-8S. It’s great if you’re using those in niche live situations, but if you’re actually producing a track you’re probably dialing in the sidechain with VSTs.
It’s the same as it always has been. People don’t appreciate the level of work that DJs and producers actually put in. You’re spending hours prepping tracks and micromanaging most of your sound whether it’s Ableton or whatever. If you actually work with stems u know u already have a few VSTs dialed in for that.
Yeah Dj's and Producers put in alot of work..Especially if your making the track, mixing it and mastering it..Its alot.. Thats why when people say they make 10 beats in one day im thinking ok but hows the quality.
Stem separation is nothing to me been doing this since 2000’s with a Yamaha rm1x and audio to MIDI conversion software. Took a Janet Jackson’s anytime song MIDI file and load in my rm1x and divided the tracks. No artifacts!!!
The workflow is dope, but dealing with the artifacts is something thats always gonna be there. But if u use it as a tool for melodyne to extract the midi or playover the stem to get a more quality sound its dope.
No doubt.
Not excited until they bring it out for standalone mode
Stem separation could be part of every DAW and groovebox in the future. I mean, I could go back and remix all of my old tracks that were on demo cassettes and as MP3s, things I've lost the original project files for. Spruce all that material and re-release it.
Word..I feel you.
There is a program for windows and Linux called Spleeter that does 2 part stems and does it pretty well. Vocals and music tracks get separated for karaoke and church track purposes and it at least worked great on a Christian pop song I wanted to remix! I think the AKAI MPC stem feature will work great there too but yeah, trying to split sounds with in the music track itself? That is like wanting to perform magic or something.
I feel you.
A dream come true it is just amazing.
Word!
The stems will separate the producers that’s serious about music a line need to be crossed.
Only stems I like are the ones I smoke.
LMAO!!!!!
I want stems for the Force. I think because the Force has disk-streaming which can have super long-ass samples they need more time to work out how they want deal with it on that platform.
Some jungle with dance hall riddems
Nice!
yo blessings bro have you done one on the S2400?
Whats up fam!..I did a video on it but not a what had happened was.. But I mentioned alot of the dope features on it. ruclips.net/video/hwEa0opnV5U/видео.html
I love how the new MPC is in plain sight in the ads and i
Shown reposted in these videos
Lol Word.
It needs that and real time time stretching.
Lol no doubt.
Have you heard the speculations going on about Akai possibly coming out with a new MPC based on that MPC Stems pic? Folks were looking at the buttons placement on the MPC used in the pic and had noticed that it doesn't look like any of the recent MPCs that are currently out. What's your take on the this?
Yeah I saw the pic..Akai teasing us again..They did the same thing before the MPC key 61 was released..If its a new MPC I hope they give it its own specific sound..Weather clean or hard I hope it sounds different then the other MPC's.
@@DyReckProductions I feel you. Having all the devices have the same feel and sound only homogenizes everything. Maybe they will take in E-A-Ski's complaints and use different converters. 😆
@@apexone5502 Lol Word.
maybe they can come with a new Mpc4000 O.S.
That would be interesting!..Retro O.S.'s..You might be on to something.
Stems separatioooon OMG TODAYYY IS THE DAY
Rip X does it clean
Oh ok.
What fools called you grandpa for sampling? Do they actually listen to music? Sampling is as relevant today as it was in the early 80s. The #1 song on the Billboard Hot 100 by Jack Harlow is guest what? A sample. Smack those dudes who you were talking to and tell them to start sampling and learn what sampling actually is (more than Diddy taking a pop loop and rapping over it).
While STEMs is available on others apps having it on an MPC is a game changer for MPC users. I'll be jacking kicks and snares from everywhere. Vocal samples? I'll be doing in my MPC today what I wanted to do back in 1997 when I purchased my first MPC.
NATIVE SHADES!!!!!!! 😎
He Has ARRIVED!!.. THE APEX!!!!!
Noti gang
Lol no doubt.
May Yahweh bless you brother we love you 👍🏽
Thank you fam!..Same to you!!
@@DyReckProductions your welcome you speak wisdom 🙏 ✨️
See how the usb cable in the mpc? Its mpc software only rn.
Oh ok.
I’m indifferent towards it. There’s websites that can do it. I do see why it would be valuable but it’s meh to me. 🤷🏾♂️
I feel you.
If better Extreamly late or never was a Daw.
True.
Lalal uses AI to do the artefact compensation. Still not 100% but they do the best stem separation, made me delete RipX
They send a guy in the box to make your sequences too… right…?
Lol the MPC 4k had a girl in the box telling you what and what not to do lol.
I use Serato Sample. Stems keeps you from spending YEARS of listening to music to find something to sample and getting bored. I be on some Pete Rock shyt now…combining samples. It messes with your head because you are STILL used to listening to samples the way you did before. You have to remind yourself that you can take the drums or vocals out. I still be forgetting to use the STEMS when I listen for samples. 😅
Lol..I feel you!..Pete Rocks style is dope..Back in the days sometimes he would have some boring jazzy track and you would think.. Is that it??..Them Boom!! He surprises you with an incredible Banger like "Down with the Kings" or Something!! Amazing!!
Thats exactly whats always seperated the pros from everyone else though.
Eventually every DAW will implement the stems feature ...Logic Pro, N.I Maschine etc. Serato Studio was on stems since early 2023...
Yeah Serato picked it up quick.
I've heard plenty of really good sounding stems.... not much artifacting either
🤔
I know.
this will make samplers chop , less and less … im a sampler with an mpc live OG , and this scares me deeply , like im actually stressed out about this . songs that cant be sampled due to lyrics over a section of music should never be sampled unless you have an original technique to sample around the words , imagine if dilla used this , his music would not be the “best” …
Good point!..The challenges made great producers greater.
Bullshit all these guys still sample they just use expansion packs or stuff like komplete all samples they just playing them using a midi controller . When is Akai gonna add better converters to them MPC's
LMAO!!!
No examples of artifacts, just a baseless claim. Outrageous.
I saw mad videos..They all cut the record short and only play it for 1 or 2 seconds or high filter pitch the sample..But its all good.. All the stem separator programs have artifacts its still dope!..Ima definitely get it.
the time stretch algorithm I the mpcs still trash. So its hard for me to believe they managed to get this right for already existing Mpc machines. Now clearly thats a new Mpc in the thumbnail they used so maybe it will have the necessary processing power. But thats hard to believe considering they just reissued the flagship X as the X SE and it didn't have much of a boost if any at all
Good point about the processing power.
You are my friend hating on people sampling, because that is stealing unless you sampling to create your own sounds but not taking someones music and taking their drums, cant you nmake your own?
Its a shame I can even have groove quantize, only what they have is swing, they must not know what groove quwntize it.
And then the simple thing like ability to mute individual drums part like muting hats, snare, etc and building a song from sequences through muting each elements for build up,
old 20 years groove boxes or any sequencer can muste anythin anytime and play it back just as you did.
In the akai this is war,
Their are more important things need asap than stem sampling,
what about ability to record more than 5 minues of audio, and more than 8 audio tracks, really basic simple things.
But they force people to not create original music like recording guitars, bass, synths etc, they want you sampling and mangling other peoples stuff, not even joining sequencinfg together to form a song yes iths there but too complicated.
Like they need to go look at an old MC505 and see how sequencing and making patterns into a song can be so simple.
No, they want you to just not play anything but tweak and twist samples.
and none of these guys are complaining because they are musicians.
A product or gear should not be meant for just one genre of music, they think only Hiphop, but yes I am black guy but Hip hop is not the only music people do.
Did you know that in the MPC you cant see like a timeline even if not lines of waveforms like in say like when playing your beats in Logic or Cubase how to see the layer of the each track and you can rewind or forward as you want, there is no even fastforward or rewind, you would have to leave the page youare on just to forward or rewind to another part of the song.
When you playing your song and stop, there should be a way so it goes back to same stop so you can keep recording or editing.
you would have manually rewind each time.
Wow that is one of the most horrible thing and you say it a great sequencer?
Their no locators or markers to press a button quickly go to any point in your beat or song.
you have to use the screen or q link, if you not on the MPC X where the q link have written beneath what each one will do.
But the four q links is not the best for navigation like play rewind fast forward,
But of course all these they dont know because they just sampling stuffs and joining samples together to make a song.
and this is why the MPC will never replace a laptop based music production, yes the MPC can but they have no musicians there in AKAI to make them add the basic music making basic things.
what a shame really such an amazing product without putting in mind music creation from the ground up.
Did you know an old sequencer of years ago llike those grooveboxes can do more than The MPC if only they could load samples like drums hits of yours, they only have internal sounds.
Where Mpc you could use samples like FL STUDIO and make beats with them.
But then what about sequencing and arranging what going to do with the samples.?
look nuff said.
its time a real musician create a product for music making that truly wont need the computer at all, except maybe you want to mix in the computer or master, but still be able to do all in the box.
Their are still musicians in this world not everyone is stealing other peoples work in the name of sampling.
Man you sound like you need to get an SP 1200!!!!...Akai MPC is not for you Lol!..But I feel what your saying Akai a long time ago realized the musical sophistication of there audience when they released the MPC 5000 and got all that backlash..They found out the hard way HIPHOP producers are not just simple beat makers.
Lazy cats thinking the easy way, thats all it is really 😂😂😂😂
What else u got Akai 😂 facts fam these people cry soooo much.. just bang yo shiii out smh
Everyone still samples. It's just gotten lazier.
Dang! Lol.
stem cells
Dang! lol.
I’ve seen about 5 different vids with creators that actually have access to the stem separation plugin and they are ALL on point. Zero artifact bleeding with like 15 different records. You don’t have access obviously and no real live examples. This video is a joke lol
Whats up..I think its cool..And I have no problem with artifacts..I think it would be dope if a company would come out with a stem separator feature without artifacts..I saw all the videos as well ..They all cut the record short and only play it for 1 or 2 seconds or high filter pitch the sample..But its all good.. All the stem separator programs have artifacts its still dope!
Too little too late? What other standalone drum sampler has stems?
Artifacts? Ummm people spend 4k-7k on sp 1200’s to get the piss poor artifacts from the worst time stretching ever on a sampler. So what! it has artifacts. People will buy this for the same reason. It will have its own characteristic sound.
Don’t be like the almighty EA-Radio Raheem Ski and hate everything Akai because they sent McRee Akai gear and stopped sending him Akai gear:
He’s gonna talk about selling water to dolphins and then he turns around and sells a special edition sp 1200 with zero upgrades, same everything. All it was was a color scheme with a sd card and sound library with dolphin gummies from rhe almighty radio Raheem.
Stop it
Mpc stems is groundbreaking, nobody has done this in a standalone (not native instruments, not Roland, not pioneer, teenage engineering etc…
This guy wants the machine to make the whole beat for him without no work😂
Can you imagine how far ahead of the completion Akai or any company would be if they were the first to get rid of the artifacts!..That would be crazy!!
@@DyReckProductionsI saw this feature used on a lot of different videos. I didn't hear wild artifacts in none of those videos.🤷🏾♂️
@@coldskoolbeatz Whats up Fam!..Nah not wild artifacts.. All the videos I saw they cut the sample off after 1 or 2 seconds which is cool..All stem separator programs right now have artifacts but im sure Akai did there thing..Its a cool feature!
But on a seriosu note, I just saw MALO BEATS on RUclips here and he sampled from a record and even a wav file into the MPC and the stems were clean like as if from the studio where the songs were recorded no artifacts, really surprising.
so check out MALO beats a youtuber that makes videos about MPC a lot, I think the akai gave him access to this feature to show people, but there was no artifacts.
I will only need for removing vocals for Karaoke or something, but rarely just take Billie Jeans drums and use it? no I too can make my own beats and learn how they got their so good,
Infact many hit songs the beat are not processed.
So why steal other peoples work and manipulate it as my original, that is unfair and wont be called a legend or win multi grammy when you creation is really another persons recording.
Now we have many plugings to sound as authentic asyour beloved recordings.
Why steal other peoples beat from their records, this should illegal.why are we musicians ?
Why are you posting this on a channel that's completely based on samplers & sampling
Oh ok Ima check Malo out.
Ray Charles "sampled" a gospel song when he wrote "I Got A Woman". He was considered a genius.
Artist do covers all the time. There are so many ways to sample. Some create backing loops and add stuff on top. Some chop samples to where the original record is unrecognizable.
And it's not "stealing" when you get permission from whoever owns the publishing.
PRODUCERS AND BEATMAKERS ARE SOUND MANIPULATORS, WHETHER IT'S A NOTE FROM A SYNTH OR A PAD WITH A SAMPLE!
STOP BEING A SNOB AND PROVIDING A POV THAT IS NARROW AND JUDGEMENTAL!
It's impossible to give you great quality stems because the only way to do it is filter unless you literally recreate each track one by one with instruments and Midi
I feel you.
Next Big update will be the MPC-XMAS coming Dec.25,2024. It's basically an MPC with a Christmas Tree light design. 🎄🎄🎄🚥🚥🚦🎅🎅.
LMAO!.We'll see!
You hating for sure smh!!!
I like the stem separation feature..Im definitely gonna get it..All of them have some kinda artifacts..But even with them I think its cool to have that ability on your MPC.