Tzeentch And The Fall Of Prospero - 40K Theories
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And yes Tzeentch was also the one who convinced Magnus to break open the barrier put in place by the Emperor as well as Magnus tried to warn him.
Prospero was an inside job
Promethium can't melt Prosperan Pyramids.
Reeeeeee!
Etc
40K Theories I blame Guilliman
It couldn't have been an inside job because the Space Wolves came from the *outside*.
Fanatic808 Fulgrim had the excuse of possession pulling the rug under his feet. Lorgar however...
The 225677th Fragment of the Man-Emperor of Mankind SO U BE SAYN WE WUZ MAREENZ N SHIET
Colonel Jurten WE WUZ LOYALISTS ALL ALONG
Magnus did nothing wrong. If the Emperor hadn't been blind for the mistake his 'favorite' son could make it could all have been avoided. And Magnus became a victim of his own honesty.
Yes, Magnus was also victim of his own curiosity and pride... But he sacrificed his own legion to save the Imperium. He knew after what he did that it was all set up and he was the puppet in Tzeentch scheme. Magnus was ready to accept judgement. He send his fleet away so they could not fight the Imperial fleet. He formed a psychic field around Prospero so his legionaries would not notice the incoming forces. This gentlemen is loyalty until the end. And just when he found out everything was lost he felt betrayed... and that's when he fled to the planet of sorcerers. To save his sons... and to be a better 'father' then the Emperor seemed to be at that point. :P
The Emperor didn't listen to Magnus and that's why he sits on the Golden Throne now. His disbelief that Horus would betray the Imperium has cost the Imperium dearly and is the cause of the state of the Imperium right now. Magnus broke the edict because of the good of the Imperium. The only reason it's all 'bad' is because no one knows what would've happened when the Emperor listened. Besides, the edict was enacted on request of Russ and others (I think Dorn, but could be mistaken) who are against magic.
Yes, Magnus did damage, but damage that can be repaired and now has no real consequences. The ignorance of the Emperor makes that the Imperium now has too fight several remains of traitor legions while His rotting corpse sits on the Golden Throne. All of this could've been avoided... If he just had listened and not given in to His arrogance.
Its ironic because his story is a tragedy in the truest sense of the word. A tragedy isn’t just a terrible event that would be a tragic event yes but not a tragedy. A tragedy is a certain story type in that a hero is brought low be his own character without ever truly intending on doing wrong.
Macbeth for example was a loyal and noble man who only wanted the best for his country. Unfortunately for him has was ambitious and his wife even more so. When he realised that he could never progress higher than the station he held it fell to his wife to point out that he could go higher but the king had to go and we all know how that turned out. It is from this type of story we get the phrase “the road to damnation is paved with good intentions”.
As far as Magnus was concerned it was his loyalty and arrogance that were his undoing, Of all the Primarch’s none were more loyal to the Emperor than Magnus (not even Horus, Rogal Dorn or Sanguinius) so any attempt at swaying him was doomed to failure. However Magnus was arrogant enough to think he knew better than anyone including his father when the warp was concerned (if only the Emperor had confided in Magnus what he was dealing with or maybe the job he had in mind for him but still Big E was a dumbass at times). When he learnt of Horus he decided that his father had to be warned and that the ends justified the means in this task.
When you think it through it is even more ironic because the sentiment of “the ends always justify the means” caused the imperium in the 41st millennium to be created and it is by this philosophy that the Imperium manages to hang on by its finger tips avoiding total annihilation.
Kinda ironic coming from a khorne berserker
Russ WANTED to burn Prospero, he HATED Magnus, That's why he didn't question his orders at all. Horus just had to nudge him ever so slightly. Billions of innocent and LOYAL Imperial citizens slaughtered by the fucking space corgis and an entire LOYAL Legion lost to Chaos because of Daddy E's policy of "Trust me, the completely illogical and insanely stupid things I'm doing are actually for your own good." "And even though it would be sinfully easy to just EXPLAIN what I'm doing, I'm not going to tell any of you anything."
MrTurbowhitey one of the many many reasons why I hate the space wolves.
Despite really _really_ wanting it, Russ did send a warning through kasper, who wasn't connected to Magnus. Actually, what the fUCK? Why didn't he send a message to the planet? Fucking moron.
MrTurbowhitey
It honestly makes me think that GW is trying to show that Chaos has a reason to exist and not as something to be persecuted in this universe...
Also, not completely shitting on Lorgar, his most devoted son, might have been a good idea as well.
But Uncle Russ didn't hate Magnus like that, he Hated his tendencies. As much as even I hate to say it, Russ isn't the bad guy here. He was the Loyal berserker to the Emperor, not the mindless Bloodletter like Angron.
His Rivalry with Magnus was more tense then his other brothers yes, but it was no where near wanting to burn his homeplanet to the ground, Russ gained no joy out of any of it.
Plus, he's the Mother Fucking Emperor. Of course you're suppose to trust what he fucking says without a doubt to his word. A few traitors I can forgive because they were manipulated by strings they have had no idea of, but you know, if the others WOULD HAVE LISTENED to the Emperor NONE of this would have happened.
-- Your Local Imperial Fist
Good to see that people still have the sense to acknowledge that Magnus did nothing wrong.
The only real issue is with whom the fault lies.
Tzeench prompted the final act to convince the Emperor that Magnus had betrayed him, but the fault doesn't lie with him for exploiting the opportunity.
Horus's betrayal of the Emperor is what prompted Magnus to break the psychic barriers in order to try to warn the Emperor, but even that was a part of a greater manipulation.
Without Lorgar and the Word Bearers falling to the ruinous powers, the circumstances prompting Horus to turn to Chaos would never have happened... but there was a reason those that once worshiped the Emperor became his first enemies.
The Emperor's harsh actions in having the Ultramarines raze Monarchia, the "perfect city" of the Word Bearers, followed by his public reprimand of Lorgar, a loyal son whose only crime is currently employed as the greatest weapon of the Imperium: his faith in the Emperor as a god... that is the ultimate cause of every betrayal.
The Emperor's failings are what caused every failure of his sons. The Emperor failed to be measured in his response to Lorgar's faith. Lorgar, feeling betrayed, left himself open to other gods, who took the opportunity to manipulate him to cause Horus to fall. Magnus witnessed Horus's betrayal of the Emperor, and warned the Emperor. The Emperor, however, was convinced of his own infallibility, and, out of retribution for Magnus damaging the webway project (which he, for some stupid reason, felt he needed to keep an absolute secret from his sons, despite having no reason to do so), he declared Magnus to be a traitor.
The Emperor is the one that failed the Imperium, through failing his sons.
StevetheWizard and even all of that could have been avoided if it wasn’t for the 4 Dicks of Choas taking the Primarchs and scattering then across the Galaxy.
But remember, as Big E said.
“Everything is going just... as... PLANNED.”
Sophistry. If the Chaos Gods weren't such fuckers, all would be well. Evil is as evil does, and doesn't override choice.
Magnus really should have just used conventional methods to contact Terra.
Nathan Marcano but if he had they would have taken too long to reach Terra and could be easily intercepted
That's the thing. FTL communication and things that would seem SMART and RATIONAL are the furthest from the minds of anyone in this universe.
Nathan Marcano He should have gone personally with his mage bruvas to defend the emprah and earn their right to freely use majik
That's the thing though; FTL communication in the Warhammer verse would have still taken weeks, if not months or even years to reach Terra and the Emperor; and Magnus believed he had to get his warning to Big E right that very moment; he judged that warning his father about Horus' treachery was worth the risk of using his sorcery.
Faster than light travel and faster than light communications do not exist in 40k without warp related shenanigans. Even the tau use drone ships that use their FTL tech to "deliver" vital messages.
So what you're saying is Prospero was an inside job and Space Wolves can't melt Prosperon Pyramid?
Inquisitor Thomas What you are saying is Heretical, even by your standards
Well it was said that sometime before the initial assault on Tizca, Magnus himself deactivated a great number of the planet's orbital defense systems and stood down all his troops, seeing as he was, at the point in time, under the impression that the invading imperials were planning to take him in alive to stand trial for his violation of the decree of nikea and mostly likely comprising the psychic bastion around Terra to warp activity by sending his message.
O and on the matter of the pyramids, the Space Wolves with the accompanying Adeptus Costudes and sisters of silence; as mentioned, burnt and demolished those suckers into a bloody crisp, most likely turning most if not all of prospero into a glass floor.
yeah, that's who you want to take on a "Peaceful" mission. Fanatical Zealots who worship the Emperor as a god.
It's what I've been saying all along, promethium can't melt Prosperon Pyramid!
I thought it was already very clear that Tzeentch orchestrated everything. Wasn't Tzeentch the "entity" outside of the barrier when Magnus was trying to warn the Emperor that helped him break the wards? Also, you know that Tzeentch was always grooming Magnus because Magnus found the statue that I think was supposed to be a Lord of Change on Prospero back when he was still a student. That was supposed to be a relic in the ruins of the civilization that was around thousands of years previous.
+SeeDubEE indeed Tzeentch was the entity outside the barrier.
There was also a moment in A Thousand Sons, after Magnus failed to warn the emperor and was being consumed by his own guilt in his quarters, where bunch of eyes appeared in the mirrors of his room and began telling him that the gods of chaos had been wanting to corrupt him at first, but Horus was an easier target. I think it supports the idea that at least one chaos god had been wanting Magnus for a long, long time.
And that is why the Emperor is but a man.
I've been moving across the country and your videos have been a great help. Being able to chill and listen to you after a long day of driving is nice.
Of course they were Tzeentch was getting his own legion one way or another and they were going to be screwed over as much as possible
If Tzeentch plan to turn the Thousands Sons failed, then the Dark Angels will be his next target.
Rather the White scars would've been next
Logically the White Scars would be next but from a narrative standpoint I much prefer the Dark Angels just imagine a whole legion of unforgiven completely insane and still believing they fight for the Emperor or the Lion
The honest truth is that the four primarchs that dedicated themselves to the four chaos gods whole where all more or less destined to do so.
Mortarion was a crimson, Gothic, death obsessed toxicologist with a hatred of sorcery(Nurgle hates Tzeentch) and he loved the number seven
Fulgrim was a OCD perfectionist who had a legion who sought elegance wherever they went and often used copious amounts of drugs, sex etc.
Angron was a angry dude who could not calm down in any way, with the exception of whenever he was out on the battlefield and murder things with his twin chainaxes. There he was at the very least not idle, something he hated being.
And finally Magnus was a psychic sorcerer who was REALLY into warp magic.
Honestly, it was more or less inevitable for these four to fall to chaos at some point.
CommanderJonas Not true if nothing else were Magnus and Mortarion told about Chaos they could have avoided their fates especially seeing as after the Heresy both Mortarion and Magnus had hated what they had become Mortarion especially because he had become just like his adoptive father the person who originally made him hate Psykers and Xenos in the first place
Or, it's just terrible writing.
Magnus didn't "fall" persay.
JUST AS PLANNED! HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE!
its all a lie. Tzeench is Alpharius.
So am I
And so are you
We are all Alpharius
Is Alpharius even a heretic, or is he a loyalist?
... yes
The story of Magnus and his hubris is 1 of the most tragic tales in WH. He never realised how important he was, and also he always thought he knew better than his father.
I always hoped he would be redeemed somehow along with his favoured son, tho with the new lore sadly that won’t be the case.
Yey, a video about my favorite legion.
Ahh Tzeentch the Chaos God of "Just as Planned"
So not only did Horus remove a dangerous wild card but he also severely weakened a loyalist legion in the process? I guess he wan't appointed warmaster for nothing.
3:53 Someone else behind him: "LookatthiscookieIfound"
Since Magnus breached the Webway why aren’t all the dark eldar cities in the Webway under continuous assault by Chaos? The daemons of Chaos are practically infinite in number and they’ve had millennia to occupy and search the Webway.
according to Inferno the number of surviving thousand sons that were brought to Sortiarius is around 3000. So the number 1242 was retconned. Plus in the novel Crimson King, the majority of the fleet (that Magnus sent away before the burning of prospero) returned to Sortiarius, so the legion was bolstered even more.
And finally in Inferno it states that at the battle of Terra there were around 10000 thousand sons present
I do believe the Heretical Changer of 'ways' had a hand in everything involved, yet I doubt he orchestrated everything. To be fair, every Legion's Gene-seed mutates over time, the Thousand Sons could have just had a much more, accelerated effect due to some fuckery of the Emperor creating them, he is only human after all.
But the literal fall of Prospero and him joining Tzeench in the end? Totally planned..Kinda.
Also, Fuck Logar...And Pert, the bastard.
Hey Rem. Got a theory idea for you.
I hear people all the time say that the Horus Heresy would have never happened had the emperor been honest with his sons about his webway project, but I wonder if this is really true. Obviously Magnus wouldn't have interrupted, but Lorgar would have still gotten tainted by the ruinous powers, henceforth tainting Horus.
*How would the horus heresy be different if the emperor had been open with his webway project?*
I still see Angron/Fulgrim/Lorgar going full Heretic. It wasn't so much the Emperor went to work on a secret project, but the fact he was just abandoning them all 'Suddenly'. -- I see Magnus taking much much more convincing before going Heretic because he is just too curious for his own good.
after reading the thasound sons books and such it still sucks that Magnus and his legion had to fall I liked the idea of psychics but rip
Russ was the traitor. He was used by Horus. Also, they have actual mutants in their army.
Miguk Moonpark THE FURRY FUCK FAILED!
Its kinda hilarious how messed up the entire situation was - the Emperor was annoyed at Magnus and chose to annihilate one of his most loyal Astartes Chapters with a chapter that at the time was basically a clusterfuck of Khorne-loving furry warpspawn backed by Chaos Sorceror spam. Which came with a retinue of Sisters and Custodes who just looked at the Space Wolves and thought "Everything is perfectly fine, nothing out of the ordinary here".
Using what was basically a Traitor Legion to forcibly turn a Loyalist legion over to Chaos was definitely one of the more batshit ideas the Big E came up with...
T. Magnus
so if tzeench is the god of schemes, that makes him the god of pretending to know everything when you don't, so for all we know he isn't so much capable of super intricate planning as he is skilled at improvising... i'm suddenly convinced that Mcguiver would be a follower of tzeench if he was in 40k
Leman Russ was more of a traitor than Magnus.
Russ outright defied a direct order of the Emporer in order to follow an order of the traitor Horus.
It never made sense to me that when sending the order to Leman Russ about capturing Magnus, why the Emperor failed to mention that he was breaking the council of Nikea (Nikae?) to send a message about Horus being a traitor? That seems like pertinent information.
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To be fair, Russ offered Magnus surrender through the conduit of the skald of Tra. Russ offered but the Thousand Sons declined for their proud, vain, yet still kind of loyal father.
that's the thing though. Kasper was never a spy for the Thousand Sons, he was a plant put in to play by Tzeench. The ultimatum from Russ to Magnus through Kasper never even reached Magnus.
Bro did you finish the book? Kasper was never connected to the Thousand Sons. When Russ did that he might' as well have talked to a wall
Meme Lord Alec is right. Russ assumed he could talk to Magnus through Kasper but no message was transmitted as Kasper was a puppet of chaos. Magns never received any offer of surrender.
No, that is an assumption based on the small pieces of "truth" told to you by. . . the great deceiver. . . Tzeench. It is unlikely that Tzeench was with the 15th when Kaspar was back on Earth with Naveed Murza checking out the tomb with the sacrifices.
I contend that the Thousand Sons, like all Legions, ran their networks of spies. We know this because it was confirmed at Nikea.
It was never confirmed that the Thousand Sons didn't recruit Kaspar. It was only confirmed that:
1-He was recruited and manipulated psychically.
2-Chaos tainted his brain link in one way or another.
3-All of the Legions would think nothing of recruiting an agent from birth, it was par for their course.
4-Magnus and Russ were rivals and didn't like one another, therefore they had reasons to spy.
5-Tzeench became involved when the opportunity was recognized to turn two of the most powerful forces against Chaos against one another.
It is completely possible that he was recruited by the 15th, but because Tzeench is better at that sort of thing than the 15th is, Tzeench manipulated the agent, even though Magnus' suprisingly naive psykers think that they have mastered every step into the great ocean.
Remember that the central quote at the beginning of Prospero Burns is from The Tempest, regarding the virtue of temperance and moderation. The Wolves practiced it with their Rune Priests, the 15th didn't. That is what ultimately caused the entire problem of the two books and even the fall of the Golden Throne.
Besides, the question is whether or not Russ had been "convinced" by Horus to have no mercy on Magnus. It is plainly not true. It is plainly untrue because Russ believed that Kaspar was a conduit. It showed that Russ extended the intended mission to Magnus, for Magnus to be apprehended.
Magnus knew why Russ was there, for the censure. He, if he were a stand up guy, could have spared his sons, submitted to Russ, and gone to Terra to face his father. Maybe then he could have helped with the clean up that he caused regarding the Golden Throne.
The basic truth remains, Russ played it straight, just as his orders were received.
Poor M. He should have obeyed his father. His father should have informed his sons of the danger. I like this series as it is fundamentally so reflective of real life.
Leman Russ let Horus talk him out of doing something the Emperor commanded. And still said afterwards, in spite of realizing how he was misled, said that Magnus had deserved it. That seems to me like Curze levels of hate 😲
I am surprised that the Alpha Legion had no dealings with Tzeentch, what with their own constant mind games and scheming.
Prospero...I remember it like it was yesterday...Such a tragic day. It's why I wear this Thousands Sons emblem on my shoulder, to never forget the greatest tragedy of the Universe. I have few documents from Prospero and even fewer artifacts that were at least preserved.
Pyroskies So... you are Blood Raven or Thousands sons? (By the way B1 battle droid is the best and do you get the Warlord-class titan yet?)
I am neither, merely a xenos with an admiration towards the legion my good sir. (Agree on the B1s and I haven't received the Warlord yet, need the credits and all.)
Birdsie Hey don't be rude Pyroskies is a nice guy(or girl?)
A XENOS AND A HERETIC ARE WHAT I SEE. DEATH, DEATH, DEAA--*Exterminatus times 10*
Birdsie I thing that won't work
As Tzeentch my-indecisive-self, I can confirm this.
What if part of the deal the Emperor made with the chaos gods was information in exchange for half his son's and that the Emperor is playing a long game with the intent of godhood, an eldar god has come to life so why not the Emperor reborn, especially with the current state of the imperium. The thousand sons may have always been a bargaining chip and it seems thin that the emperor would simply punish magnus, i mean i know it caused a war in the webway but it was a message of huge importance, perhaps the Emperor already knew it was all going to happen and was ready to create conditions to complete a deal with the chaos gods, just a rambling idea there...
i have a question, can the rubric of ahriman be used on other space marines, also can it be used on already entombed beings, like the dreadnoughts, and imperial knights. because if that spell could also do that, it'd be terrifying to say the least.
Just as planned! Muhahaha!
*Spots Angry Marines*
Not as planned! Not as planned!
Wondering how come Magnus did not use warp gate or warp teleport to Sol system and commandeer starship get to terra warn his father, so in that way would not breaked daddy barrier
Bruva, its a coincidence. Or is it? or is it not? Or is it not not? Just as planned
I'm surprised the emperor wouldn't be more suspicious of warp storms popping up in his own capital system during the creation of a legion.
Your Tzeench call is right on and accurate!
I hope his plan isn't to make everybody watch tentacle porn?
If that's the case, then I better outdick and troll him much harder in paradox poker this weekend.
Emperor, are you talking to yourself again?
Nein!!! I am not insane!!
your just a really shit father and a terrible leader.
Don't talk to Daddy that way ye heretic! Father knows best!
Where Tzeentch is involved, there is no such thing as coincidence.
Wait so if Tzeentch already knows every possible path, why does he have his own oracle?
I wonder if Magnus would ever think about coming back to serve the imperium
Nope he's a demon now and has already tried to kill guillman
just cause its a coincidence dosnt mean its not part of tzeench's plan, he uses butterfly effect and other subtle manipulations to get his plan through
after all, everything is part of his plan, cause his plan is simply what happens
For The Changer!!!
Just finished the book much of this lore comes from. Very cool
all this subterfuge hurts my head.
it would be easier to just....
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!!
So like. What happened to the Thousand Sons not on próspero? Their fleet? Their psyker dreds? Smh.
hunted down and slaughtered by their "Allies" with out so much as an explanation why."
*looks nervously at the Blood Ravens*
Spiciest Meme Lord Alec became Black Shields, helped found the Grey Knights, Died a torturous death, or Became one of those secret "Loyalists Traitor" chapters Gullimen obviously made
SeeDubEE
Please stop staring at us.
"Tzeentch's plans may be seen as contradictory.." Cause they are... thats his flaw he cares only for making plans for the sake of making plans nothing else, he could be beaten by simply punching him, same with Khrone, can't plan for shit simply use a plan involving un-honourable tactics and he will fall like a bitch... this is the problem with war gods that focus on plans or battle and not both at the same time.
You know who does both Lord Sat... the Glorius God Emperor.
The Emperors problem was thinking that everyone in the Imperium would think like a human meat-puppet controlled by the essence of ten thousand Shamans mooshed together to form the facsimile of a soul, and not as humans.
Actually the Emperors rule was very similar to the Roman dicator, during a time of crisis, Humanity at the time of the Emps reveal was at the point of collapse and Chaos was growing in strength, who would give up that power when the job was done.
He only wanted so much control to reunite humanity and kill Chaos.
Once that was done he would leave humanity to be ruled by the Primarchs, who had considerably more in common with the average man, and regular humans at more local levels, for pure efficency's sake until he could create a stable way to push humanity closer to his own level (and with Cawl, Magnus, Malcador and others at that level it would take a few centuries).
After all the wars were done he would return to Earth to run the Human webway with Magnus while also conducting reserach to improve mankind.
TL;DR That massive control, making them think like him, was for a reason unlike the Chaos Gods idoicy.
... ALSO HERESY *BLAM*.
I need background music
I wander if Horus planned for Magnus to fall...
LEMAN FUCKING BROKE MY SPINE ( magnus ttc)
Good video as always. Whats the backing music??
The heresy had no chance if Magnus didn't fall, he can sit on the golden throne and the man Emperor of Mankind will be out there claping ass
To be fair Leman Russ was never sent to "deliver" people. He was know to be the butcher.
Ah, stuff and nonsense. Tzeentch couldn't arrange a long term plan that elaborate any more than he could avoid losing a children's card game to a random Custodes. The real schemer in the Warp has always been and will always be Malal.
Malal is stuck in the realm of "Retconium" with Horus' soul and the Squats though.
To be fair, that Custodes was way more than he lets on.
That background music is awesome! Link?
If the Loyalists were trying to kill him what other side could Magnus turn to.
i wonder what would have happened if Magnus had confronted Russ right away and requested to be dealt his fate by the big E. how would that have changed the heresy?
He would have been killed by the Zealots in the Sisters of Silence as a Traitor. Cause, ya know, things like the Four Cardinal Virtues, or the Right to a Fair Trial don't exist anymmore
Please do pod casts :)
my favorite legion.
The Emperor was stupid he should have told Magnus from the start about the webway project.He also should have had the thousand sons help him with the project on terra. Plus did he give Russ a beating for destroying prospero against his orderes he was to bring Magnus back not destroy the world and the Legion.Plus Russ shows no shame that he was duped into destroying the thousand sons world by Horus.Also why did the Emperor send Russ in the the first place he should have orded the thousand sons to Terra. If the Karn had been sent to get Magnus then the thousand sons would have not turned triator, fancy sending the one primarch that has surposed to have destroyed two other leigons.What was Magnus surposed to think when Russ turned up the Emperor must have been having brain farts that why he screwed up so bad.
Surely Magnus, being a clever boi, should've seen that Horus was the cause of the Burning of Prospero?
Who cares? The emperor was the one who decided to send a rabid animal who hated Magnus, sorcery, and was just looking for an excuse to burn the planet to ash.
Would Magnus return to the Emperor if Russ apologized?
Chaos Manipulated Magnus in order to get him to destroy the Emperors work on Terra
Didn't some of the rune priests enter kasper hawser mind to find the source of the tampering of his mind and end up confirming Magnus claim?
+ulysses ilg Magnus was innocent
40K Theories what I meant was Magnus the Red claim that Horus became corrupted by the warp. And couldn't kasper hawser been used as evidence at the trial of nikaea?
+ulysses ilg Nikaea was long before the burning of prospero
I really like your videos but the intro is very long. Have you considered making it shorter?
Keep up the good work :)
If the Thousand Sons hadn't flipped (for whatever reason) then Tzeentch would probably have manipulated another legion into falling in their stead.
unlikely since he spent so much time giving them psychic abilities and attributes.
Yes but if they HADN'T then I wonder who Tzeentch had in mind as the backup traitor legion...
I get what you mean I am just saying remember this is Tzeentch we're talking about, this is his story =P.
can the adeptus custodes be corrupted by chaos, and if so are there any cases in the lore where members of the custodes fall into chaos?
AutisticNaziHobbit 1945 There doesn't seem to be any corrupted Custodes on record. It may be possible, just so ludicrously difficult that no demon ever succeeded. They possess so little emotion and are obsessed with the Emperor to the point where they care about nothing else.
other Custodes would notice and they would all
@@Mikazuchireborn Or perhaps there has been in the past, but the topic is of such a nature that means it's swiftly dealt with and not even recorded, unless people find out. Having a corrupted bodyguard next to your god emperor would be a very VERY scary thought.
so much for the Arctic of fate lost to kitten
40k theorist i have a question how is it that no one has ever tried to form a grand revolt on a hive world, or like all of the imperium isnt in some big mass of chaos
People have tried, especially Genestealer Cults with the following outcomes.
1. They fail to overthrown the local Imperial forces and is destroyed as the Imperial Guard mobilizes and/or gets reinforcements (which may include some or all of the following: Imperial Guard, Sisters of Battle, and Space Marines).
2a. The revolt succeed. But the Imperium planned an assault to take back the planet. The Imperial Guard/Sisters of Battle/Space Marines make planetfall and take back the world in a (potentially bloody) campaign/crusade.
The rebels are destroyed/executed after the Imperial forces reclaimed planet.
2b. The Imperial forces failed to take back the planet and the planet is blockaded in an attempt o to starve them out, considering how we are taking about a Hive World, they won't have enough food to last a few months.
The rebels run out of food and surrenders due to starvation.
2c: If the revolt was a Chaos/Genestealer oriented and the Imperial Forces failed to take back the world with heavy losses and no alternative solution...
The Inquisition arrives to perform their charge. In fealty to the God-Emperor and by the grace of the Golden Throne, they declare Exterminatus on the rebellious Imperial Hive World, and sign the death warrant of (almost trillion souls. "May Imperial Justice account in all Balances. The Emperor Protects."
Unrelated, but I keep forgetting to ask... Did the Primarchs have the same additional organs and implants as their lesser spess marheens? If not, how did they use their power armor, and if they did, wouldn't they have been too mature/developed to accept the implants?
They had the same organs and even unique organs. At the very least Konrad Curze did. When the chief apothecary of the Night Lords was performing surgery on Curze, he noted there were organs he didn't know the function of.
Huh. So, they were engineered with them from the start. Thanks!
While I have ya, is the black carapace compatible with all powered armor marks?
As far as I'm aware yeah
what is the song playing in the background?
wow mic better
In other words, everything went according to keikaku?
(Translator's note: "keikaku" means "plan")
anothga i got that reference
Magnus and the Thousand Sons are the anti-heroes of the story.
They wanted to remain loyal. They tried everything they could to remain loyal. And in the end ? They were betrayed and forced to become Traitors.
there's no such thing as coincidence.
Did anyone ever think Tzeench WASN'T involved in all this?
legionaireb probably the Space Wolves since they didn't really know what Chaos was
Just as planned!
does anyone else think thats their intro is bad? good videos tho
*MAAAAAGNUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUS!!*
Isn't Hauser's story a nod towards Totall Recall?
Might be, but I haven't seen the film to confirm :(
You totally recalled the plot after seeing the story, amiright?
I'll find the exit.
@@40KTheories Kaspar Hauser was a German boy from the 1800s who claimed he was held captive and raised in total social isolation and then assassinated for an unknown reason.
It’s a really weird reference to make…I blame tzeentch
Exactly as planned.
Magnus did everything wrong... For the right reasons.
Engagement
Yes,No,Maybe
Thosand sons were unprepared because of Magnus, otherwise Russ & would had suffered massive loses, get your lore straight
Magus felt guilty for breaching the imperial webway
But... Russ did suffer massive losses. Plus the Space Wolves were ambushed by the Alpha Legion soon after the burning of Prospero. The lore is all straight.
Hawser did nothing wrong.
what is a cross sum?
When you add the digits of a certain number together, the resulting value is called a cross-sum. In the case of the video the cross-sum of 1242 is 9 (1+2+4+2=9).
Lewis Irwin thank you
VVV WARNING! HERESY BELOW! VVV
9 is a multiple of 3.Tzeentch IS ILUMINATI CONFIERMED.
If Tzeentch is confirmed to be the head of Illuminati, would you be surprised?
MIND BLOW.
Yes
No
Maybe
tin foil hat time
More primaries marines
Magnus did nothing wrong.
First
Got it! For once!
>Blood for the Emperor!
I don't need blood, I am not Khorne.
59,776....th
I do believe the Heretical Changer of 'ways' had a hand in everything involved, yet I doubt he orchestrated everything. To be fair, every Legion's Gene-seed mutates over time, the Thousand Sons could have just had a much more, accelerated effect due to some fuckery of the Emperor creating them, he is only human after all.
But the literal fall of Prospero and him joining Tzeench in the end? Totally planned..Kinda.
Also, Fuck Logar...And Pert, the bastard.