Totally. The thing was so... weird. It had "absolute" ideas for a robot that was just repurposed. It also didn't give you the free choice to how to shape Independent Vegas. It just followed Benny's ideas, and mostly HIS plan and you were his prong in the process.
You didn't mention the dialogue between the Courier and House, when the Courier didn't want to give him the chip. House was so furious that he even started describing his biography, telling us how long he waited for that chip, telling, how powerful he is. Colonel on the other hand is just going apeshit.
Wait, you can just say 'no' to House when he asks for the chip? And he doesnt immediately gun you down for saying that? I gotta try that in my playthrough.
My last playthrough I also killed Benny before going to House. I just coming in, he starts to explain his plan and telling me about the Chip, how to get to Benny etc. and I'm like "I have it. But I'll keep it to myself". His reactions were priceless.
@@chaosinc.382No, he does. “I’m not afraid of you.” “You needn’t be afraid of me… It’s my Securitrons that are going to kill you.” Then all the Securitrons in the Lucky 38 turn hostile. Though it’s a lot easier because they don’t have their primary weapon upgrades from the Platinum Chip.
@@dude7813 Thats an understandable reaction. Though, I do think House should've installed a few ceiling turrets in the off chance his bots didnt cut it lmao
And that's the important characters. How many people remember No-Bark Noonian, the crazy homeless guy from that one town who wasn't really that important for anything?
House isn't a villain and he also did have funny quotes, like excusing you for killing Kimbal because you said you don't like taxes.Otherwise great videos
House doesn't say anything memorable? I'm guessing you've never done a house playthrough then. "If you want to see the fate of democracy... look out the window."
@Termination Detonation yes, it was, or at least people knew that something was going really wrong in USA before the bombs, the Enclave committed genocides and used propaganda to justify it brainwashing the population to follow the Government's new order, many person's with different opinions ended up in concentration camps. And even if they didn't knew about the Enclave there's no reason to blame democracy for China, USSR, and even the European Union (in fallout universe was a country) was a militaristic tyrant government or middle west countries. It's obvious that House is trying to manipulate the Courier perspective because he/her doesn't know about the old world's politics. I think there's better critics to democracy in F/NV than that House's quote as well to every system where the power is used by one individual our a group of persons that live disconnected from the reality and the consequences of their acts.
@Termination Detonation for me all endings sucks one way or another and every faction has a weak point. In House case is his own Ego that almost destroyed his Strip with those shirty Tribes. I don't believe that there's would be a good ending for him in the future, he thinks that everything he does is perfect and it's not. There's no magical endings or saviors in Fallout, just humans ruining everything.
You should have mentioned how Caesar explains his worldview in depth, how Democracy is not a suitable system for the wasteland and how the NCR will fall just as it’s predecessor, the US. Hell, he even states that the NCR was at it’s glory days when it was the most like a dictatorship - when Tandi was President, and nobody dared oppose her because she was so popular.
Caesar even goes and explains in a simple a fast way hegelian dialectics, do you have memory of any other videogame character plainly talking about something as hegelian dialectict? I bet not a lot jsjsjs. Like, i get it, not every player wants to have a class of philosophy in the middle of a videogame but damn, you can't say it's a bad written character.
@@magnusthered8652 he is badly written if you have any form of education. Rome expanded due to many things at the time but one of its virtues was valuing education, innovation and technology at the time. Sure, your character might not have that knowledge, but Eddy boy acts like he read about rome without those details, and while others don't understand that rome collapses largely to OVEREXPANSION and WEAK ECONOMICS DUE TO MILITARY SPENDING AND RELIANCE OF SLAVE LABOR it becomes super silly. Especially when he points out that "the usa failed democracy bad" Blaming the NCRs infighting and politics as an issue is hilarious if you know even a slight bit about roman history. He even explains it as blatantly retardedly, where he says the ncr has the issues if Rome, but the issues there are the fallout of its collapsing state largely, that his group is mirroring one to one. He's a well spoken cult leader in game, but horribly written if he is intended to be educated.
@@tinniestdog5148 it doesn't. even with no knowledge of the history a direct contradiction like that isn't convincing. he is intended to be educated, being completely wrong like that doesnt fit and makes the group more shallow than intended
@@coldeed He doesn't have an entire library dedicated to ancient rome, so of course he made a mistake in his interpretation. A mistake: the thing humans tend to make (not even his biggest weakness btw).
Mr house literally has one of the most quotable lines in all of fallout. "You and I don't have to pretend to be important we actually are." He doesn't say anything funny because he is straight forward and a serious person. His dialogue isn't witty because. His dialogue is important and thought provoking. If he said dumb snarky things when you talk with him the seriousness, tone and composure of the character would be lost. Imagine if when you first meet Mr house and he brings up benny and asks "Did you get the platinum chip" instead of directly asking about what is most important (The chip) He makes some stupid comment about how Benny's jacket looks tacky and like a checkerboard. Mr House the seriousness, mood and tension of the scene would be destroyed. The feelings of uneasyness and extreme importance would vanish within an instant because a character who is not about jokes and is all business with a serious plan to transform a destroyed world into a new one actually is. A unfocused imbecile who will put his important master plan on the back burner just so he can say some dumb comments or remarks. Mr house isn't trying to impress anyone or speak validation he is focused completely on improving the wasteland how he sees it. Every piece of his dialogue is meaningful and important with no fluff to show this. i think you severely overlooked mr house as a character he is one of the all time best in the series.
Heavily disagreeing with you on House not being funny or memorable. If you ask him in the Bunker "What makes you think Caesar gave me back the Platinum Chip?" he heaves a mighty sigh before explaining why he thinks that in minute detail like you're an idiot. That's funny. When I destroyed the Boomers, being in a hurry, he responded "There's more than one way to skin a cat, as the saying goes. Or went, cats being extinct." That's memorable. (And also incorrect if you come from playing Fallout 4, showing that he's not quite as knowledgable as he'd have you think.)
Considering how much canon Fallout 4 broke (like saying that Jet was around before the great war, which you'd know is bs if you played Fallout 2), I'm not too inclined to take much that it says seriously. In fact, tbh, I don't really consider any of the Bethesda Fallout games canon because it's totally unreasonable to assume that the east coast has so many of the same animal species (especially radscorpions in Washington DC?) and factions. It's also unreasonable to assume that everyone would be content to just live amongst rubble and ancient corpses without even bothering to try to clean anything up, for hundreds of years. And it also makes absolutely no sense for everyone to be so obsessed with music and culture from the 1950's in particular, an era that they had nothing to do with and never lived to see. Pre war America in the Fallout series was a 50's-esque vision of the future, not just the future with 50's culture and music.
@@nathanniesche6380 Oh, but a gang that worship Elvis is more reasonable? The Radscorpions in the East were descended from Emperor Scorpions from pet stores, the game outright says this. As for reusing factions, if they hadn't brought in the BoS and Super Mutants then the old fans would just whine they weren't on the East.
@@ShadowSonic2 1. If you actually paid attention to the backstory of The Kings, it actually makes sense. They see Elvis as a deity of style that was worshipped by whomever had built the King's School of Dance (which is a perfectly reasonable assumption considering that they have no way of actually knowing who Elvis is and looking at the obvious obsession with whoever this "King" guy was), and The King himself was inspired by it all, taking on a new style and philosophy, and the rest of the tribe (whatever the Kings were before they were Kings) were inspired by his newfound style and code of honor. 2. Radscorpions being descended from Emperor Scorpions in pet stores would make sense, except it still doesn't explain why there are so many of them. And why is it that there are pretty much no different animal species, the only exceptions being mirelurks and yao guai? The difference is thousands of miles, and yet you find largely the same ecosystem on both sides. 3. Assuming that fans would be mad about something is not a valid justification for including something that makes no sense for the lore of the game, especially considering how vastly different the BoS in Fallout 3 are from the BoS in the original games. And it also makes no sense for there to be SO MANY super mutants, considering their inability to reproduce and the fact that the events that created the super mutants happened all the way on the other side of the country. I could see a few moving eastward, but not the army you encounter. If they were truly that worried about upsetting the fans, they could have set the game closer to the west. In fact, I'd say the smart thing to do would have been to slowly migrate the series east from California, gradually introducing new enemies and factions while removing certain others.
@@nathanniesche6380 1) So if that could happen with guys stumbling onto an Elvis school, why exactly is it so hard to believe someone in a Vault saw a video from Grease or whatever and thought Danny Zuko's outfit looked cool? You don't see anyone complaining about Mike Hammer's 1980s show when the conceit there was that he looked like a 40s detective in the 80s. 2) FO3 gave us Radscorpions, Giant Radscorpions and Albino Radscorpions. The only other game that gave us anything else was New Vegas with those smaller yellow Scorpions. 3) The difference in the Lyons group was explained in the game itself, it wasn't just some random thing. That's why the Outcasts existed. The Super Mutants in FO3 weren't from the West at all, they came from a Vault in the Capital Wasteland that was doing experiments with an FEV variant which was deemed a failure. The reason they started infesting Washington was to find the Vault-Tec HQ because their FEV Vat ran out and they wanted to know if Vault-Tec knew of other locations. Also, FO2 explained how long lived the Super Mutants really are. And until the Lone Wanderer shows up, the Super Mutants hadn't been taking real losses against the Brotherhood. I will admit that FO3 should have been set around the same time as FO1.
@@nathanniesche6380 For me Fallout New Vegas is the real Fallout 3, it has a lot of things that connect it with the first and second game like characthers, factions, weapons, etc..... And don't break the lore All the Bethesda games are just Spinn Offs with numbers
I think one thing Bethesda doesn’t understand about cursing is this, cursing in it of itself is not a bad thing, but it has to make sense. You can establish a character that is an asshole and swears a lot, but it has to make sense. It’s fine to have a couple characters whom curse a lot, but EVERYONE? No, if you have everyone curse it’s going to get obscenely obnoxious. Some people are very vulgar, but everyone is different.
In general all the characters in Fallout 3 felt literally the same. I think writing characters was very much one of Bethesda's weakpoints at the time, as the same problem kind of existed with Oblivion and Morrowind, but even in those, there were a few memorable characters (like The Adoring Fan and Crassius Curio). The only character from Fallout 3 that appears even remotely distinctive to me is Alistair Tenpenny.
@@nathanniesche6380 Fawkes and Charon are also pretty good (Werner, Asher, and the ghoul guy from point lookout also seems like complex characters), but other then that everyone is just a bread sandwich
I honestly can’t remember a lot of characters who swear in fallout 3 or 4. Usually it’s either a raider yelling at you or some character exclaiming or reacting to something. Other times it’s just a mean person, not that many people swear unless someone gives me example to prove why I am in fact very dumb
@@courier6960 there are a lot of really interesting funny and engaging characters. Problem is most of them are minor characters that don’t do much and have flat voice acting. Dukov! He’s awesome, we like him. Mr Crowley, he’s pretty cool. Snowflake! The ghoul hairdresser. He’s hilarious, for five seconds. *cerberus* he’s awesome bro he’s only got like twelve lines of dialogue Patchwork! He’s funny and does do stuff! The dumb lady in arefu! Hilarious! She’s got a generic voice actor and has less lines in the game than a raider. The freaking Samurai Cowboy and the pe war soldier! Their awesome, we don’t remember them because they don’t do plot important stuff, they just shoot thing and act awesome. Allistair Tenpenny, Knick Knack and Knock Knock, Shakes, Vance, Bob, the two named Knights outside GNR, the drunk guy in Tenpenny Tower, the lady in Arefu who thinks it’s still pre war. What do all these characters have in common? Their funny, well written, have appropriate humor for the setting and have less than ten lines of dialogue, and are either connected to no quests or are connected so loosely to quests that you forget they were even part of it. Seriously, people remember president Kimball more than President Dave of the Republic of Dave, and Kimball won’t even speak to you and makes a speech no one actually listened to.
the difference between FO 3 & NV is how the writers understood charismatic people, House speaks to you like a businessman, he is straight to the point while making you feel important, Benny speaks to you like a street smart hustler, scheming and trying to talk his way out of trouble by kissing up to you when caught, and Caeser speaks like a hardy war time leader, probably from being able to learn about them thanks to followers libraries, he makes you know his men are stronger than and he is smarter than you. While all 3 are charismatic, they embody different types of charismatic people, and they have they have identities different enough to show that, whereas in 3 everyone falls into generic stereotypes, you have strong, smart person, mean person, nice person. There is a few that break there mold's, and those people really stand out
I don't know if you would consider the FONV choices villains, as they are more of antagonists. Also House has some pretty funny quotes when you refuse to give him the platinum chip.
Caesar is definitely a vilain though I'd even say House is a vilain too Just having good intentions does not make you a hero. None of what they do is justified by their goal, especially not in the case of Caesar
@@ISELLSALT Oh, I'm not saying the NCR are not vilains, they totally are, as a group But, to be honest, I think the Legion is the worst of two evil Slavery is way worse than debt
Considering the best Enclave characters are still in Fallout 2. Augustus Autumn&Eden can’t compare to the greats like Frank Horrigan,Arch Dornan,and Video call guy.
Too bad only FNV gives Sergeant Arch Dornan reference when you talk with Cannibal Johnson and none of any Fallout game reference the Frank Horrigan which is was the best character from Fallout 2.
The most memorable part of President Eden is that you can make him go sky high with the following words: Player: “Eden, what makes you different from other presidents?” Eden: “Unlike them, and the rest of the Enclave, I’m infallible.” Player: “how do you know this?” Eden: “Because I’m programmed to be, that’s why! It’s honestly quite simple.” Player: “You know because you know? Sir, that’s a paradox.” Eden: “... **computer giberish** Perhaps... perhaps you’re right... I-I don’t feel well. I... I don’t think I’m fit for office... what should I do?” Player: (I’m not gonna say anything because all options get the same result) Eden: “Self Destruct Sequence initiated.”
That's next level of stupidity in writing imagine if someone caused the entire Chatgpt website to delete simply because it made one god damn mistake! and Eden is a goddamn super computer so this is not stupid, it is the very definition of it!
The trouble is, Bethesda doesn't seem to know or care how to write more interesting characters. Tell them to cut back on the "tough guy who swears a lot" act and all you'll get out of it is Fallout 4... a weirdly sanitized wasteland where the worst you can ever be is "sarcastic," but most characters still feel generic or two-dimensional. If you take away a crutch from a bad writer, it won't magically turn them into a good writer.
I disagree. Bethesda is actually insanely good at making interesting characters. The problem is, their almost always side characters, and they almost always have little to no dialogue. Take for instance, the stupid lady in Arefu. Her husband thinks she’s stupid and she somehow doesnt realize that the world got totally screwed over and thinks it’s still pre war. That’s a cool character! She’s got like five lines of dialogue Cerberus! He’s a Mr Gutsy reprogrammed to be a security robot for the ghouls, but he really hates the people he’s been assigned to protect and is open about this, but he’s still forced to protect them, even verbally! Not even a side quest. Snowflake! He’s a a barber in a town where literally no one has any hair left to cut. Funny, if there was a side quest for him. Nathan! He’s an enclave fanatic who won’t shut up about how the enclave will save the day! Most people don’t ever meet him, he’s not an important character, and most players don’t even know that he actually appears in Raven Rock. Bethesda is really good at writing character, but when it comes to making Sideqeusts for them or properly voice acting their characters, they fall flat. I literally only remembered these characters for the sake of this argument. Probably the only good memorable characters are Dave, Sticky, Liberty Prime, Sarah and Elder Lyons, Paladin Vargas, and Elliot from Mothership Zeta. It’s a sad list, but a true one.
@@LucyWest370 yeah boi, that might be true if I never watch the Bethesda Main Writter Emil talking about his "paper plane" theory, go watch it yourself, hope you can tolerate the cringe though
I feel Mr. House's character is also felt in his LACK of presence. His grip is felt all over the wasteland, and even his tower, the lucky 38, acts a landmark and icon for the game. People all around the wasteland talk about him like, and despite not having as much power as the NCR or the Legion, the way he presents himself makes him, just a single man, feel far strong than any army or government.
The problem is rather simple. Very few characters in 3 have a unique voice, unique mannerisms or ways of approaching conversations. By comparison, look at the New Vegas companions. Most of them snark a lot, but they each have their own ways of snarking. Cass is angry and profanity-ridden. Veronica is playful. Raul is as dry as the desert. And Arcade is as nerdy as you can get. Seriously "Why don't you make like Odysseus and get lost," no one other than Arcade would even think of saying something like that.
What makes the big players in New Vegas so much more memorable is that they're all based on real people with real personalities, like Mr. House is based on Howard Hughes, for example, or Benny being based on Bugsy Siegal. And they're all driven by motives that fall in line with their real life counterparts.
It's not the swearing, but the swearing is indicative of one of the major problems. Bethesda writes like the characters are people living in our world pretending to be hardcore wastelanders. You don't get the feeling that they were shaped by the world they live in. Their dialogue could could fit in almost any setting.
"He doesn't say anything funny, witty or memorable" have you seen his description of Brotherhood of Steel where he pretty much says what no one wants to, that they are just a ridiculous bunch of tehno fetishists so paranoid and delusional with their goal, that they don't raid hospitals for auto docs and just take and lock away weapons, a lot of which they don't even use themselves, and I personally found him to have one of best dialogues out of any fallout game, from telling you about pre war, explaining his position as an autocrat while telling you to look out of the window what the world was led to by democracies, to explaining his dreams and goals about making New Vegas the most economically and technologically advanced area in what is pretty much the entire world in fallout setting
The funniest part of his diatribe against the brotherhood is that he's right about most of it, but he refuses to even consider "the techo fetishists would be an extremely useful ally in the upcoming war" not for any strategic reason, just because they're so cringe he doesn't want to associate with them
Mr. House: Has a goal and a valid plan to achieve it. Eden: Wants to poison the water because reasons, and will kill himself if you ask him nicely. Benny: Has a motive. Tenpenny: cartoon villain. Ceaser: Gives you a lesson in philosophy and history. Autumn: Yu agin!!!! Hard choice.
I would say that the real reason Eden is memorable is his Radio station. By having this whole facade that he puts on, it's able to be a big moment when you meet him and see the "man" behind the mouth.
My take on the FNV villains: Mr. House: Very interesting, fittingly the only person in the Mojave who acts like he came from today, I'd say so at least, but also his views on some of the factions are... Unique, he probably is the only one to call the Brotherhood of Steel "terrorists". Benny: I can't believe it, but he actually did trick me into believing that we'd make the future, despite me knowing that he does not have an ending like Yes Man, or Mr. House. Caesar: No idea, he is very angry at me for practising self-defence.
Here are his defenses A giant metal door you need to use to get in His extreme paranoia The fact he has a gun with him at all times including a shotgun
@@Horseshoecrabwarrior he’s got the home field advantage, the high ground, a decent if not meh firearm, two other buddies who could pick up a gun and shoot the intruders if they wanted, not to mention if he bothered locking up his giant metal gate, it’d probably be invincible. Plus idk how good he is with a gun canonically but he should be pretty good considering Allistair Tenpenny, Richie Rich, decided to hire him to break into an extremely secure fort filled with death robots and nuclear launch codes, and he is one of the three out of five who actually made it out alive.
@@LucyWest370 If they let him prepare he might win, but it's still not a good idea to live there. Especially when he just wears pajamas. If he kept his door locked, then it'd make more sense.
@@Horseshoecrabwarrior who knows? Maybe it’s fun to him, idk. Plus it’s not even that dangerous, the closest enemies nearby are like two raiders hanging out in his backyard for some reason and they don’t seem to want to bother him.
_you again_ I only spared Autumn in my last playthrough because the combat was extremely broken and i didn't feel like fighting any more power armor users. actually i ragequit that save because right after that i emptied 12 chinese assault rifle mags into a feral reaver and he was still at full health. Even if the writing was mega good in Fo3, the spongy enemies and gameplay would just ruin it for me anyways
Yeah, and the reason why the bullet spongey enemies like the feral ghoul reavers, super mutant overlords, and albino radscorpions were added is because people claimed that the game got too easy. But then adding those enemies caused the game to become exceedingly difficult. I mean, super mutant overlords were WAY too overpowered. The best way to deal with them was to use an overpowered weapon. The only enemie that should've been a bullet sponge is the super mutant behemoth, and probably the deathclaws.
The higher your level the harder almost any enemy is to fight, I played through almost the entirety of fallout 3 and completed all the DLCs, when I got to level 15 all the swamp people in point lookout took like 40 shotgun shells each to kill and could destroy my Tesla Power armour (deployed against Tanks btw) in like 3 shots with their 200 year old double barreled shotgun
It’s your fault for fighting a late game mini boss with a weapon that basically runs out of its use at the mid game. You should be using a freaking electrified sword of a laser minigun to fight him.
@@LucyWest370 Even at max level with some of the best gear, I still have trouble with some of the late game enemies. But I haven't played any difficult below hard, so I don't how hard it'd be on normal.
The real problem I felt in Fallout 3 is that every unique character after you complete some quest relating to then, they just turn into a generic NPC. Take Moira Brown for example, it´s quite wastefull not having dialogues to talk about the book after it´s published or telling her you found some wastelanders making use of the book!
One of my biggest pet peeves about Bethesda games is them trying to bring back old ghosts. Namely: the Enclave. The Enclave died in F2. Not completely, as Remnants still exist in FNV, but not to the point of them being able to restart their entire faction in 45 years. The Enclave should only exist as a myth, a shadow of its former self and not an important faction anymore.
Well then this won’t count to you, in your opinion, but there is a rather cool and interesting mod called “For the Enclave”. It’s for FNV and it reintroduces the Enclave again as there were more survivors after the events of FO 2 apparently and they do a great job of completely changing their ways from the tyrannical leadership that gripped the Enclave before.
@@idnyftw I actually don't like F2's take on the BOS. F1 makes it pretty clear that Romulus opened a new era of diplomacy between BOS and the wastes. And I never saw them as hoarders, as House claimed. They improved on pre-war designs. The Brotherhood makes the most sense as archivists ho lost their way.
i totally forgot about the old man in a tower in fallout 3, i remember the radioman better, and i sure remember every single character i came across in new vegas
Then there's fallout 4 which has a decent amount of memorable characters if only the player was as memorable, instead of the same 4 dialogue options every time "Yes" "No" "Yes but disguised as a maybe" and "What do you mean?"
Fallout 4 is hit or miss, especially with companions. Nick, Piper, Curie and Codsworth are absolute chads, others eh. Hancock can be cool and funny but feels kinda eh, similar to Cait. Strong is an insult to every supermutant companion we had in FO games. Institute courser guy is so boring I never even recruited him. The Deacon is as cringe as entire Railroad. Danse is cool. Ada is a based machine of destruction not bound by morality. Dogmeat is doggo. McCready feels kinda eh, tho at least he offers a good mercenary companion option.
I do have to disagree with your take on House. His dialogue is some of the best in the game and he actually has memorable lines. My favorite line grom is, "If you want to see the fate of democracies, look out the windows." The tone is amazing and while what he's saying seems crazy to modern times in the Fallout world he makes a very good point. I wouldn't even consider him a villain because all he wants is for humanity to succeed. He doesn't care about your average Mohave inhabitant but he has nothing against anyone and his ultimate goal is colonizing planets and giving the human race a fresh start. He's the best option for humanity long term.
New Vegas dialog felt too much like an interview at times. You could ask a three-word question, and sometimes you'd get a three-minute canned answer to said question. All the big leaders toot their own horns and try so desperately to convince you they have the right of it. Every side is one man short of victory, so they all whip out the big words and ideas to try and impress and sway you. You could easily swap out the talk of dialectics or high technology sectors for talk about pay and benefits, and there'd barely be a difference. You can distill a good deal of conversations in New Vegas down to "you should side with me because the other guys suck and just don't get it." Don't get me wrong, it's engrossing, but it drags just a little bit more with each new game.
Well that's mainly because each leader is at the end of their rope; House is facing an insurrection on two fronts with Benny wanting to usurp him and the Omertas smuggling weapons for Caesar, the NCR is being stretched far too thinly to cope with all the problems Vegas and the outlying areas have, and Caesar, while being the most likely to conquer the whole area, is depended upon by the whole Legion. I can't remember how many characters state that once Caesar finally dies, the Legion would simply run rampant without proper guidance since Lanius is little more than the alpha of a pack of wolves, so to speak. He's not a diplomat, he's not eloquent or merciful at all, he's just brutal, effective and capable. Caesar needs someone who has capabilities on par with his own because he knows he's aging (and if you play the Legion questline is actually quite ill and doesn't know it until it really starts affecting him). So of course each leader is going to grovel at the feet of the most capable person in the wasteland and offer the Courier whatever they can to get them on their side
You got a good point for your first one Then you say "All the big leaders toot their own horns and try so desperately to convince you they have the right of it." Uhhh no shit?
"All the big leaders toot their own horns and try so desperately to convince you they have the right of it" hmm i wonder why they would want the courier(kinda strong) to join them?
the fact that the UNVOICED Zax in fallout 1, found in some random basement with nothing to do with the main quest that most players wont even have a high enough int stat to interact with in full has more personality and complexity than the voiced, secondary antagonist, john henry eaton is very telling imo
I believe Harold is pretty memorable in Fallout 3. A giant talking person-turned-tree who is in constant pain and desperately wants to die, but is kept in permanent agony through a bunch of dumb cultists that wilfully choose to interpret his desperate pleas of "kill me please" in whatever way they choose. Not to mention that the tree growing out of him is called Bob. Also, choosing to kill him or actually spread his...uhm....seed....actually has serious consequences for the rest of the wasteland, as he might just be the last possible form of vegetable life capable of spreading in the east. I think that's memorable enough, not to mention that the game doesn't tell you which choice is the right one. Other than stating the obviously pure evil one of just burning him alive with a flamer.
I disagree. I think the Villains make sense in the context of the setting. Eden is polite, diplomatic and overall nice, but still pushing for his terrible world ending plan. He is based off all the politicians of the pre and post war. When you meet him, he is in the middle of a Civil War over his decision and is taking a long shot with you. He is trying to be unassuming and nice due to that fact he is trying to convince you to destory the world. Autumn is actually kinda intersting when you put him in to context. He rebelled in Fallout 3 from Eden due, in part, due to his plans. He wanted the purifier for the purpose of using as a key to power in the region. He wanted to do what the Brotherhood ended up doing in the post game and Fallout 4: Use to purifier to create a Enclave State or at least allow them to live long term. The reason he doesn't give you the time of day is because, to him, your barley anyone important. Your some kid out of Vault 101, with the purifier code being the only thing he wants. While New Vegas had intersting and great characters, most of them want the courier on there side. The Courier, by mid game, has become a massive force for change in New Vegas. In 3, your PC is not noticed for there activities until the post game, and even then not by much. I think its just due to different situations your PC is in. In 3, your the kid out of Vault 101 who is only claim to fame is that a radio station likes you and you dad made a purifier. In Vegas, you hold the keys to the future of the conflict as well as surviving a shot to the head from point one. But yeah, I will say on a basic level Bethesda more generic NPC are more realistic if not dull. Being an asshole to a guy who is staring at you, stealing your things or being a dick is normal, if not uncreative. NV has more colorful background characters who are interesting if not a bit out there.
The main difference in the writing of Bethesda and Interplay/Black Isle/Obsidian is that Bethesda writes with a specific tone in mind. Every character in Fallout 3 is tryin to add to the tone of adventure that the game has, so the whacky, or whimsical, or bizarre, or overly hostile lines are meant to be that way to add to what the game wanted for it's tone. The old school Fallout team however writes with the intent of sounding very real, the huge majority of the lines in New Vegas for example are just trying to sound like things the person would say in that situation, with nothing else in mind. Even when you have sillier moments like No-Bark, or the various quips and jokes "Darn it, nobody ever buys the T-rexes." The lines never push a tone. And because of that it all seems much more realistic. Now the DLCs of New Vegas actually move away from this and it's noticeable. All the lines in Old World Blues are pushing the comedic sci-fi angle, all the lines in Dead Money try to disturb to add to the atmosphere of the survival horror DLC, Lonesome Road has all it's dialogue convey a seriousness and grandiosity to it, to make it feel like a real ending of the game. Honest Hearts doesn't fit into this because it was made by the same project director of the base game rather than the rest of the DLC. Personally I think both styles have their places. Fallout 3 is a fun game and it's less grounded dialogue add to it, and New Vegas of course is fantastic as well.
Bethesda fanboys when somebody criticizes abysmal Bethesda writing: "CHERRYPICKING!1!!1!!!1!!!1!!1" Saw that a thousand times with other youtubers and game forums
I learn that if you critique anything related to Bethesda or their games they will immediately turn hostile and make excuses of why you’re wrong and how you should feel bad, these people are a lost cause.
I mean, New Vegas has Boxcars, probably the single most foul-mouthed character in the franchise, and he's absolutely hilarious. You're right, it's not the swearing, it's how you do it.
Yeah but Boxcars is justified, he "won" the lottery and got his two legs broken from it. If i were in his shoes i would swear a lot too from the constant pain.
Tenpenny is alright….. That’s about all that the Bethesda villains have going for them. Obsidian kicks their ass like a cazador against a lvl 1 courier trying to go straight to Vegas.
I think Bethesda was really trying to play up the fact that the wasteland is a tough place full of overly-agressive survivalist people. Which is true but they vastly overestimated how much people like to hide it behind a nice facade. New vegas feels legit because almost everyone is trying to get something from you in some way but it isn't always the direct way.
The fact that they took rad scorpions and super mutants from the West and brought them to the east is what first got me questioning 3's decisions. Just taking enemies who evolved naturally in the west and brought them to the east destroyed the world building imo, got so samey afterwords. Fallout 4 added a few new creatures so I don't know why they couldn't have just done that with the first game.
Both games have good dialogue. You have to compare the right dialogue/lines and not cherry pick lines. Fallout 3 has great and unique characters, they all aren’t the same. Also swearing isn’t a bad thing. The characters do stand out and they don’t say the same stuff. Eden is a great character with great dialogue. You forgot to talk about Enclave radio. Me house has great dialogue. Eden is a unique and memorable character. The majority of characters aren’t “generic tough guys that swear a lot”, that’s a lie and simply isn’t true. All this video is is obsidian good Bethesda bad, which isn’t true.
The peak of gaming was FNV. If they brought the crew back together and made Fallout 5 with the NV crew updated graphics and engine it would be do record numbers.
Pretty honest view. And as for people asking if Obsidian or Black Isle didn't use swearing, well, they did. Caesar had a lot of swear lines, and I don't even need to start about the classic games (from Gizmo to Marlon, Highwaymen, Mercs, New Reno mobsters, etc, etc). The primary difference is, west coast fallout knew the balance between thematic graphic perpetuation and just straight out explicit expression. Bethesda just flat-out doesn't. Well, what is said is said, I better move on...
The difference is that in West Coast games characters swear like actual adult people. And in Bethesda's games they often sound more like children trying to look cooler and older.
@@Gameprojordan All bethesda-written fallout games are written by redditors pretty much. Only redditors would be gullible enough to defend Fallout 3's poor dialog and enjoy vanilla Fallout 4 and 76
It’s like someone who I can’t remember said , they have to be tougher in the capital wasteland because it is far less forgiving and more deadly in general
Damn man, even though Mr.House is more a machine, a calculator to be exact, than a man that care about human behavior, he do have a touch of comedy, intended or not, he do know paying taxes is not fun lmao
House is very much a human being. He was always greatly rational in his methods and instrumentalistic, yes, but he has emotions and needs like everybody else. He's not actually a computer at all. His bias against a tax-based government most likely stems from his life as a grand enterpreneur in a highly anti-communist, anti-socialist, therefore, highly libertarian society, of which he was the top-dog in terms of finances and technological prowess. That this same society contradicted itself by also having it's people in an almost totalitarian grip, was most likely seen as pure hypocrisy by House. I believe this is the reason he has a sort of venomous hate towards the NCR's old-world democratic ways. Taxation is a good thing for a whole bunch of reason, but House never knew anything other than corruption and misuse of power, things that are very present in NCR politics. It's only natural for him to have his biases.
If you wanna make autumn more interesting in retrospect the best thing that they can do is make it canon that he is spared and have them show up in Chicago As a somewhat changed man he actually does have the potential to be a good character at least in the concept of this man who is blindly dedicated to their ideals of re-creating America and unlike President Richardson and President autumn he doesn’t seem to want to kill literally everyone outside the enclave too bad because they didn’t give him any interesting interactions with you. Other hand Cesar swears quite a lot compared to the rest of his Legion and that only highlights how he is a different person from the rest of them and contrast with his normal manner of speaking.
The thing is. Fallout New Vegas wasn't even finished. I think the 2 games wouldn't even be comparable if the developers actually managed to succeed with all of their plans with the game.
Fallout three and new vegas both have a special place in my heart as s my first two experiences with fallout. Fallout 3 more so holds that nostalgia factor as playing it really gives me a blast from the past. But I personally enjoy fallout new vegas more than 3, I think the characters are much more memorable, off the top of my head are doctors klein, 0, 8, borous, and dala, Zero is really on the top because he's voiced by doc venture from venture bros and is reslly just a bumbling fool who doesn't know what he's doing.
When I originally played FO3, I thought Tenpenny was a cartoon character. I didn't think it was realistic that somebody could be so callously evil but also simultaneously basically a cartoon character. But since around about 2016 I've had a change of heart and now consider the character downright prescient.
"Mr House doesn't say anything witty or memorable" Yes he does, I, and many other FNV players, can quote his dialogue from the top of our heads, he is one of the most charismatic characters in gaming
As an aside, I'm replaying 3 via TTW and listening to Carol in Underworld describing her surviving the immediate aftermath of the bomb sent chills down my spine. I think Bethesda has flashes of being good writers, I just hate how inconsistent they are.
I think they could've fleshed out Eden and Autumn if they fleshed out their relationship better. The fact that they're in conflict within the Enclave, to the extent they're fighting each other in the base is wild. It could've been a subversion of expectations if they leaned into the fact Autumn seems like the "clear bad guy" from the moment you meet him, and then you later realize that he's actually empathetic compared to Eden's goal of mass murder. To me their character backgrounds are pretty interesting (especially Eden, the unusually historically interested AI) but their roles can't support that so it goes unused. I feel like in New Vegas they're more likely to have larger, more important characters who support that range, so it's less of a problem.
"They asked me how well I understood theoretical physics. I said I had a theoretical degree in physics. They said welcome aboard".
Fantastic is irreplaceable
@@Dupa154he can become a legionnaire, thuse being replaced by legionnaire fantastic
@@Lrizuhey man, when in Rome
That’s how you get into IT in America.
Mr. House „Why did you kill president Kimbell?“
>“It was an accident“
>“he wanted me to pay taxes“ [Select]
"Understandable"
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"Have a good day"
Based Mr.house fuck taxes
Weird for you to say houses dialogues isn't all that interesting. He's one of the better dialogues in the game.
Yeah, suprised me as well.
@Elijah Montez he made me pay taxes
John Thomas Understandable.
He's the best
He probably never watched DS-9
"If you want to know the fate of democracy look out the window"
That's my favorite line in gaming history
100%
Funny enough, we don't actually live in a real democracy in the US, it's a representative republic.
Funnily enough Mr. House ignored the fact that the pre-war United States wasn't an democracy.
Democracy: the God that failed
It kinda falls about when you remember that America in the Fallout universe wasn’t a democracy.
Dude you forgot the scariest character in the Mojave: YES MAN
Wow that’s amazing
Totally. The thing was so... weird. It had "absolute" ideas for a robot that was just repurposed. It also didn't give you the free choice to how to shape Independent Vegas. It just followed Benny's ideas, and mostly HIS plan and you were his prong in the process.
When he said he would be doing some adjustments to become more assertive, I felt that.
Best character in the series
No it's fantastic
You didn't mention the dialogue between the Courier and House, when the Courier didn't want to give him the chip. House was so furious that he even started describing his biography, telling us how long he waited for that chip, telling, how powerful he is. Colonel on the other hand is just going apeshit.
Wait, you can just say 'no' to House when he asks for the chip? And he doesnt immediately gun you down for saying that?
I gotta try that in my playthrough.
@@chaosinc.382 K, lad.
My last playthrough I also killed Benny before going to House. I just coming in, he starts to explain his plan and telling me about the Chip, how to get to Benny etc. and I'm like "I have it. But I'll keep it to myself". His reactions were priceless.
@@chaosinc.382No, he does. “I’m not afraid of you.”
“You needn’t be afraid of me… It’s my Securitrons that are going to kill you.” Then all the Securitrons in the Lucky 38 turn hostile. Though it’s a lot easier because they don’t have their primary weapon upgrades from the Platinum Chip.
@@dude7813 Thats an understandable reaction. Though, I do think House should've installed a few ceiling turrets in the off chance his bots didnt cut it lmao
And that's the important characters. How many people remember No-Bark Noonian, the crazy homeless guy from that one town who wasn't really that important for anything?
And Easy Pete. We all remember. Hell, we worship the saloon chair he sits on like it was the Lincoln Memorial.
plus, the advice he gives about weird people actually makes sense, and it's even a little foreshadowing for the White Glove Society
Main reason why we remember No-Bark is because he is a great person to play Caravan with if you are good at it.
He had a home.
I wouldn't say No Bark was unimportant, for first time players he gives a great hint on who was dealing with the legion by selling Boone's wife Carla.
House isn't a villain and he also did have funny quotes, like excusing you for killing Kimbal because you said you don't like taxes.Otherwise great videos
House technically is a villain because in all but one of the endings you choose, he stands in your way and you have to kill him to progress.
@@nathanniesche6380 Just because he stands in your way don't mean he's a villain.
Yaba Daba Doo The term you’re thinking of is “antagonist” not villain :P
Wait was that dialogue about taxes real?? I thought it was a meme video
@@nathanniesche6380 His ending with you having Good Karma is probably the best ending alongside with Good Karma Yes Man ending, dafuq u talking about?
House doesn't say anything memorable? I'm guessing you've never done a house playthrough then.
"If you want to see the fate of democracy... look out the window."
Quite wrong if he consider pre-war USA a democracy instead of a corrupt militaristic technocracy disguised as democracy.
"I offer many benefits, but vacation time isn't one of them". - Mr House.
@Termination Detonation yes, it was, or at least people knew that something was going really wrong in USA before the bombs, the Enclave committed genocides and used propaganda to justify it brainwashing the population to follow the Government's new order, many person's with different opinions ended up in concentration camps.
And even if they didn't knew about the Enclave there's no reason to blame democracy for China, USSR, and even the European Union (in fallout universe was a country) was a militaristic tyrant government or middle west countries. It's obvious that House is trying to manipulate the Courier perspective because he/her doesn't know about the old world's politics.
I think there's better critics to democracy in F/NV than that House's quote as well to every system where the power is used by one individual our a group of persons that live disconnected from the reality and the consequences of their acts.
@Termination Detonation for me all endings sucks one way or another and every faction has a weak point. In House case is his own Ego that almost destroyed his Strip with those shirty Tribes. I don't believe that there's would be a good ending for him in the future, he thinks that everything he does is perfect and it's not.
There's no magical endings or saviors in Fallout, just humans ruining everything.
That point confuses me so much
Mr house is one of the most memorable characters in all of fallout 🙄
You should have mentioned how Caesar explains his worldview in depth, how Democracy is not a suitable system for the wasteland and how the NCR will fall just as it’s predecessor, the US.
Hell, he even states that the NCR was at it’s glory days when it was the most like a dictatorship - when Tandi was President, and nobody dared oppose her because she was so popular.
Caesar even goes and explains in a simple a fast way hegelian dialectics, do you have memory of any other videogame character plainly talking about something as hegelian dialectict? I bet not a lot jsjsjs.
Like, i get it, not every player wants to have a class of philosophy in the middle of a videogame but damn, you can't say it's a bad written character.
@@magnusthered8652 he is badly written if you have any form of education. Rome expanded due to many things at the time but one of its virtues was valuing education, innovation and technology at the time. Sure, your character might not have that knowledge, but Eddy boy acts like he read about rome without those details, and while others don't understand that rome collapses largely to OVEREXPANSION and WEAK ECONOMICS DUE TO MILITARY SPENDING AND RELIANCE OF SLAVE LABOR it becomes super silly. Especially when he points out that "the usa failed democracy bad"
Blaming the NCRs infighting and politics as an issue is hilarious if you know even a slight bit about roman history. He even explains it as blatantly retardedly, where he says the ncr has the issues if Rome, but the issues there are the fallout of its collapsing state largely, that his group is mirroring one to one.
He's a well spoken cult leader in game, but horribly written if he is intended to be educated.
@@coldeed Its was intentionality written that way. It makes him a more believable character.
@@tinniestdog5148 it doesn't. even with no knowledge of the history a direct contradiction like that isn't convincing. he is intended to be educated, being completely wrong like that doesnt fit and makes the group more shallow than intended
@@coldeed He doesn't have an entire library dedicated to ancient rome, so of course he made a mistake in his interpretation. A mistake: the thing humans tend to make (not even his biggest weakness btw).
Mr house literally has one of the most quotable lines in all of fallout. "You and I don't have to pretend to be important we actually are." He doesn't say anything funny because he is straight forward and a serious person. His dialogue isn't witty because. His dialogue is important and thought provoking. If he said dumb snarky things when you talk with him the seriousness, tone and composure of the character would be lost. Imagine if when you first meet Mr house and he brings up benny and asks "Did you get the platinum chip" instead of directly asking about what is most important (The chip) He makes some stupid comment about how Benny's jacket looks tacky and like a checkerboard. Mr House the seriousness, mood and tension of the scene would be destroyed. The feelings of uneasyness and extreme importance would vanish within an instant because a character who is not about jokes and is all business with a serious plan to transform a destroyed world into a new one actually is. A unfocused imbecile who will put his important master plan on the back burner just so he can say some dumb comments or remarks. Mr house isn't trying to impress anyone or speak validation he is focused completely on improving the wasteland how he sees it. Every piece of his dialogue is meaningful and important with no fluff to show this. i think you severely overlooked mr house as a character he is one of the all time best in the series.
H: Why did you attack president Kimball?
C: Because he tried to make me pay taxes.
H: Understandable.
Lanius would've been a good choice too given you can beat him with a bunch of different dialogue options, which is really cool!
I like that Starfield done something similar
@twinzzlers what happens in starfield?
Heavily disagreeing with you on House not being funny or memorable. If you ask him in the Bunker "What makes you think Caesar gave me back the Platinum Chip?" he heaves a mighty sigh before explaining why he thinks that in minute detail like you're an idiot. That's funny. When I destroyed the Boomers, being in a hurry, he responded "There's more than one way to skin a cat, as the saying goes. Or went, cats being extinct." That's memorable. (And also incorrect if you come from playing Fallout 4, showing that he's not quite as knowledgable as he'd have you think.)
Considering how much canon Fallout 4 broke (like saying that Jet was around before the great war, which you'd know is bs if you played Fallout 2), I'm not too inclined to take much that it says seriously. In fact, tbh, I don't really consider any of the Bethesda Fallout games canon because it's totally unreasonable to assume that the east coast has so many of the same animal species (especially radscorpions in Washington DC?) and factions. It's also unreasonable to assume that everyone would be content to just live amongst rubble and ancient corpses without even bothering to try to clean anything up, for hundreds of years. And it also makes absolutely no sense for everyone to be so obsessed with music and culture from the 1950's in particular, an era that they had nothing to do with and never lived to see. Pre war America in the Fallout series was a 50's-esque vision of the future, not just the future with 50's culture and music.
@@nathanniesche6380 Oh, but a gang that worship Elvis is more reasonable?
The Radscorpions in the East were descended from Emperor Scorpions from pet stores, the game outright says this.
As for reusing factions, if they hadn't brought in the BoS and Super Mutants then the old fans would just whine they weren't on the East.
@@ShadowSonic2 1. If you actually paid attention to the backstory of The Kings, it actually makes sense. They see Elvis as a deity of style that was worshipped by whomever had built the King's School of Dance (which is a perfectly reasonable assumption considering that they have no way of actually knowing who Elvis is and looking at the obvious obsession with whoever this "King" guy was), and The King himself was inspired by it all, taking on a new style and philosophy, and the rest of the tribe (whatever the Kings were before they were Kings) were inspired by his newfound style and code of honor.
2. Radscorpions being descended from Emperor Scorpions in pet stores would make sense, except it still doesn't explain why there are so many of them. And why is it that there are pretty much no different animal species, the only exceptions being mirelurks and yao guai? The difference is thousands of miles, and yet you find largely the same ecosystem on both sides.
3. Assuming that fans would be mad about something is not a valid justification for including something that makes no sense for the lore of the game, especially considering how vastly different the BoS in Fallout 3 are from the BoS in the original games. And it also makes no sense for there to be SO MANY super mutants, considering their inability to reproduce and the fact that the events that created the super mutants happened all the way on the other side of the country. I could see a few moving eastward, but not the army you encounter. If they were truly that worried about upsetting the fans, they could have set the game closer to the west. In fact, I'd say the smart thing to do would have been to slowly migrate the series east from California, gradually introducing new enemies and factions while removing certain others.
@@nathanniesche6380 1) So if that could happen with guys stumbling onto an Elvis school, why exactly is it so hard to believe someone in a Vault saw a video from Grease or whatever and thought Danny Zuko's outfit looked cool? You don't see anyone complaining about Mike Hammer's 1980s show when the conceit there was that he looked like a 40s detective in the 80s.
2) FO3 gave us Radscorpions, Giant Radscorpions and Albino Radscorpions. The only other game that gave us anything else was New Vegas with those smaller yellow Scorpions.
3) The difference in the Lyons group was explained in the game itself, it wasn't just some random thing. That's why the Outcasts existed.
The Super Mutants in FO3 weren't from the West at all, they came from a Vault in the Capital Wasteland that was doing experiments with an FEV variant which was deemed a failure. The reason they started infesting Washington was to find the Vault-Tec HQ because their FEV Vat ran out and they wanted to know if Vault-Tec knew of other locations.
Also, FO2 explained how long lived the Super Mutants really are. And until the Lone Wanderer shows up, the Super Mutants hadn't been taking real losses against the Brotherhood.
I will admit that FO3 should have been set around the same time as FO1.
@@nathanniesche6380 For me
Fallout New Vegas is the real Fallout 3, it has a lot of things that connect it with the first and second game like characthers, factions, weapons, etc.....
And don't break the lore
All the Bethesda games are just Spinn Offs with numbers
I think one thing Bethesda doesn’t understand about cursing is this, cursing in it of itself is not a bad thing, but it has to make sense. You can establish a character that is an asshole and swears a lot, but it has to make sense. It’s fine to have a couple characters whom curse a lot, but EVERYONE? No, if you have everyone curse it’s going to get obscenely obnoxious. Some people are very vulgar, but everyone is different.
Horse
In general all the characters in Fallout 3 felt literally the same. I think writing characters was very much one of Bethesda's weakpoints at the time, as the same problem kind of existed with Oblivion and Morrowind, but even in those, there were a few memorable characters (like The Adoring Fan and Crassius Curio). The only character from Fallout 3 that appears even remotely distinctive to me is Alistair Tenpenny.
@@nathanniesche6380
Fawkes and Charon are also pretty good (Werner, Asher, and the ghoul guy from point lookout also seems like complex characters), but other then that everyone is just a bread sandwich
I honestly can’t remember a lot of characters who swear in fallout 3 or 4. Usually it’s either a raider yelling at you or some character exclaiming or reacting to something. Other times it’s just a mean person, not that many people swear unless someone gives me example to prove why I am in fact very dumb
@@courier6960 there are a lot of really interesting funny and engaging characters. Problem is most of them are minor characters that don’t do much and have flat voice acting.
Dukov! He’s awesome, we like him.
Mr Crowley, he’s pretty cool.
Snowflake! The ghoul hairdresser. He’s hilarious, for five seconds.
*cerberus* he’s awesome bro he’s only got like twelve lines of dialogue
Patchwork! He’s funny and does do stuff!
The dumb lady in arefu! Hilarious! She’s got a generic voice actor and has less lines in the game than a raider.
The freaking Samurai Cowboy and the pe war soldier! Their awesome, we don’t remember them because they don’t do plot important stuff, they just shoot thing and act awesome.
Allistair Tenpenny, Knick Knack and Knock Knock, Shakes, Vance, Bob, the two named Knights outside GNR, the drunk guy in Tenpenny Tower, the lady in Arefu who thinks it’s still pre war. What do all these characters have in common? Their funny, well written, have appropriate humor for the setting and have less than ten lines of dialogue, and are either connected to no quests or are connected so loosely to quests that you forget they were even part of it.
Seriously, people remember president Kimball more than President Dave of the Republic of Dave, and Kimball won’t even speak to you and makes a speech no one actually listened to.
Colonel autumn having no unique dialogue? “You Lyieee”
the difference between FO 3 & NV is how the writers understood charismatic people, House speaks to you like a businessman, he is straight to the point while making you feel important, Benny speaks to you like a street smart hustler, scheming and trying to talk his way out of trouble by kissing up to you when caught, and Caeser speaks like a hardy war time leader, probably from being able to learn about them thanks to followers libraries, he makes you know his men are stronger than and he is smarter than you.
While all 3 are charismatic, they embody different types of charismatic people, and they have they have identities different enough to show that, whereas in 3 everyone falls into generic stereotypes, you have strong, smart person, mean person, nice person. There is a few that break there mold's, and those people really stand out
Patrolling the Mohave almost makes me wish for a nuclear winter.
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I don't know if you would consider the FONV choices villains, as they are more of antagonists. Also House has some pretty funny quotes when you refuse to give him the platinum chip.
IT'S MY PROPERTY! MINE! NOW BE A GOOD COURIER, AND DELIVER IT!
Caesar is definitely a vilain though
I'd even say House is a vilain too
Just having good intentions does not make you a hero. None of what they do is justified by their goal, especially not in the case of Caesar
whatever you say, ya baka
@@fatalos6855 caesar is as much of a villain as the ncr is
death and debt you cant pay are essentially the same
@@ISELLSALT
Oh, I'm not saying the NCR are not vilains, they totally are, as a group
But, to be honest, I think the Legion is the worst of two evil
Slavery is way worse than debt
F-words don't make dialogue Fallout
_No_ f-words also don't make dialogue Fallout
*Fallout* makes dialogue Fallout
"What the fallout you looking at"
Considering the best Enclave characters are still in Fallout 2. Augustus Autumn&Eden can’t compare to the greats like Frank Horrigan,Arch Dornan,and Video call guy.
Me after seeing someone say Eden isn’t awesome: “who the f- what the- who is this? He’s the president of the United F!ckin states of America!”
Let's end this, _mutie_
The best died in Navarro 😢
I dunno, I really liked Eden. Shame he was only in Fallout 3.
Too bad only FNV gives Sergeant Arch Dornan reference when you talk with Cannibal Johnson and none of any Fallout game reference the Frank Horrigan which is was the best character from Fallout 2.
The most memorable part of President Eden is that you can make him go sky high with the following words:
Player: “Eden, what makes you different from other presidents?”
Eden: “Unlike them, and the rest of the Enclave, I’m infallible.”
Player: “how do you know this?”
Eden: “Because I’m programmed to be, that’s why! It’s honestly quite simple.”
Player: “You know because you know? Sir, that’s a paradox.”
Eden: “... **computer giberish** Perhaps... perhaps you’re right... I-I don’t feel well. I... I don’t think I’m fit for office... what should I do?”
Player: (I’m not gonna say anything because all options get the same result)
Eden: “Self Destruct Sequence initiated.”
That's next level of stupidity in writing imagine if someone caused the entire Chatgpt website to delete simply because it made one god damn mistake! and Eden is a goddamn super computer so this is not stupid, it is the very definition of it!
The trouble is, Bethesda doesn't seem to know or care how to write more interesting characters. Tell them to cut back on the "tough guy who swears a lot" act and all you'll get out of it is Fallout 4... a weirdly sanitized wasteland where the worst you can ever be is "sarcastic," but most characters still feel generic or two-dimensional. If you take away a crutch from a bad writer, it won't magically turn them into a good writer.
welp sir, Mr.Emil now doesn't care about writing anything in any Bethesda game, but god darn it, he is the main writer, so...
I disagree. Bethesda is actually insanely good at making interesting characters. The problem is, their almost always side characters, and they almost always have little to no dialogue.
Take for instance, the stupid lady in Arefu. Her husband thinks she’s stupid and she somehow doesnt realize that the world got totally screwed over and thinks it’s still pre war. That’s a cool character! She’s got like five lines of dialogue
Cerberus! He’s a Mr Gutsy reprogrammed to be a security robot for the ghouls, but he really hates the people he’s been assigned to protect and is open about this, but he’s still forced to protect them, even verbally! Not even a side quest.
Snowflake! He’s a a barber in a town where literally no one has any hair left to cut. Funny, if there was a side quest for him.
Nathan! He’s an enclave fanatic who won’t shut up about how the enclave will save the day! Most people don’t ever meet him, he’s not an important character, and most players don’t even know that he actually appears in Raven Rock.
Bethesda is really good at writing character, but when it comes to making Sideqeusts for them or properly voice acting their characters, they fall flat. I literally only remembered these characters for the sake of this argument. Probably the only good memorable characters are Dave, Sticky, Liberty Prime, Sarah and Elder Lyons, Paladin Vargas, and Elliot from Mothership Zeta. It’s a sad list, but a true one.
@@LucyWest370 yeah boi, that might be true if I never watch the Bethesda Main Writter Emil talking about his "paper plane" theory, go watch it yourself, hope you can tolerate the cringe though
I feel Mr. House's character is also felt in his LACK of presence. His grip is felt all over the wasteland, and even his tower, the lucky 38, acts a landmark and icon for the game. People all around the wasteland talk about him like, and despite not having as much power as the NCR or the Legion, the way he presents himself makes him, just a single man, feel far strong than any army or government.
the strip genuinely feels emptier after killing him and not much even changes in game
The problem is rather simple. Very few characters in 3 have a unique voice, unique mannerisms or ways of approaching conversations. By comparison, look at the New Vegas companions. Most of them snark a lot, but they each have their own ways of snarking. Cass is angry and profanity-ridden. Veronica is playful. Raul is as dry as the desert. And Arcade is as nerdy as you can get. Seriously "Why don't you make like Odysseus and get lost," no one other than Arcade would even think of saying something like that.
And there’s Boone.
Yup, that’s another thing I loved about New Vegas. Memorable lines that matched the type of personalities the companions had.
I hated Arcade. I go out of my way to screw him over all the time
What makes the big players in New Vegas so much more memorable is that they're all based on real people with real personalities, like Mr. House is based on Howard Hughes, for example, or Benny being based on Bugsy Siegal. And they're all driven by motives that fall in line with their real life counterparts.
Yep, basing them on real people makes it a lot easier to make them interesting.
It's not the swearing, but the swearing is indicative of one of the major problems. Bethesda writes like the characters are people living in our world pretending to be hardcore wastelanders. You don't get the feeling that they were shaped by the world they live in. Their dialogue could could fit in almost any setting.
Mr houses lines are some of the most memorable I've heard on NV. He doesn't say crazy shit is all, he's a businessman through and through
"He doesn't say anything funny, witty or memorable" have you seen his description of Brotherhood of Steel where he pretty much says what no one wants to, that they are just a ridiculous bunch of tehno fetishists so paranoid and delusional with their goal, that they don't raid hospitals for auto docs and just take and lock away weapons, a lot of which they don't even use themselves, and I personally found him to have one of best dialogues out of any fallout game, from telling you about pre war, explaining his position as an autocrat while telling you to look out of the window what the world was led to by democracies, to explaining his dreams and goals about making New Vegas the most economically and technologically advanced area in what is pretty much the entire world in fallout setting
The funniest part of his diatribe against the brotherhood is that he's right about most of it, but he refuses to even consider "the techo fetishists would be an extremely useful ally in the upcoming war" not for any strategic reason, just because they're so cringe he doesn't want to associate with them
@@emersonpage5384 Based, when you discard a potential ally because you can't stand their cringe
@@WormsMaster100 achieving your political goals don't mean shit if you can't look cool doing it
Mr. House: Has a goal and a valid plan to achieve it.
Eden: Wants to poison the water because reasons, and will kill himself if you ask him nicely.
Benny: Has a motive.
Tenpenny: cartoon villain.
Ceaser: Gives you a lesson in philosophy and history.
Autumn: Yu agin!!!!
Hard choice.
Best dialogue in fnv:
-Joshua Graham
-Dean Domino
-Chief Hanlon
-Benny
-Ceaser
And Dr. Mobius and the brains in Big Mt. "It is I, DR. MOOOOBIUS, TRANSMITTING FROM MY DOME SHAPED... *DOME* ! IN *THE FORBIDDEN ZONE* !"
The fucking censor tho.
I would say that the real reason Eden is memorable is his Radio station. By having this whole facade that he puts on, it's able to be a big moment when you meet him and see the "man" behind the mouth.
My take on the FNV villains:
Mr. House: Very interesting, fittingly the only person in the Mojave who acts like he came from today, I'd say so at least, but also his views on some of the factions are... Unique, he probably is the only one to call the Brotherhood of Steel "terrorists".
Benny: I can't believe it, but he actually did trick me into believing that we'd make the future, despite me knowing that he does not have an ending like Yes Man, or Mr. House.
Caesar: No idea, he is very angry at me for practising self-defence.
"Unfortunately, the dialogue with House isn't that great."
The entire fandom: *so you have chosen death*
Random Russian playboy with no defences in the most dangerous part of the map is about all that needs to be said of Bethesda’s writing tbh.
Here are his defenses
A giant metal door you need to use to get in
His extreme paranoia
The fact he has a gun with him at all times including a shotgun
@@LucyWest370 He's wearing pajamas. 2 or 3 decent raiders could probably kill him easily.
@@Horseshoecrabwarrior he’s got the home field advantage, the high ground, a decent if not meh firearm, two other buddies who could pick up a gun and shoot the intruders if they wanted, not to mention if he bothered locking up his giant metal gate, it’d probably be invincible. Plus idk how good he is with a gun canonically but he should be pretty good considering Allistair Tenpenny, Richie Rich, decided to hire him to break into an extremely secure fort filled with death robots and nuclear launch codes, and he is one of the three out of five who actually made it out alive.
@@LucyWest370 If they let him prepare he might win, but it's still not a good idea to live there. Especially when he just wears pajamas. If he kept his door locked, then it'd make more sense.
@@Horseshoecrabwarrior who knows? Maybe it’s fun to him, idk. Plus it’s not even that dangerous, the closest enemies nearby are like two raiders hanging out in his backyard for some reason and they don’t seem to want to bother him.
0:08 fallout if it was written by visypop
_you again_
I only spared Autumn in my last playthrough because the combat was extremely broken and i didn't feel like fighting any more power armor users.
actually i ragequit that save because right after that i emptied 12 chinese assault rifle mags into a feral reaver and he was still at full health.
Even if the writing was mega good in Fo3, the spongy enemies and gameplay would just ruin it for me anyways
Yeah, and the reason why the bullet spongey enemies like the feral ghoul reavers, super mutant overlords, and albino radscorpions were added is because people claimed that the game got too easy. But then adding those enemies caused the game to become exceedingly difficult. I mean, super mutant overlords were WAY too overpowered. The best way to deal with them was to use an overpowered weapon. The only enemie that should've been a bullet sponge is the super mutant behemoth, and probably the deathclaws.
The higher your level the harder almost any enemy is to fight, I played through almost the entirety of fallout 3 and completed all the DLCs, when I got to level 15 all the swamp people in point lookout took like 40 shotgun shells each to kill and could destroy my Tesla Power armour (deployed against Tanks btw) in like 3 shots with their 200 year old double barreled shotgun
It’s your fault for fighting a late game mini boss with a weapon that basically runs out of its use at the mid game. You should be using a freaking electrified sword of a laser minigun to fight him.
@@leoanathetiger6814 bruh it’s his fault he was using an early to mid game weapon against like the toughest enemy in the game
@@LucyWest370 Even at max level with some of the best gear, I still have trouble with some of the late game enemies. But I haven't played any difficult below hard, so I don't how hard it'd be on normal.
The real problem I felt in Fallout 3 is that every unique character after you complete some quest relating to then, they just turn into a generic NPC. Take Moira Brown for example, it´s quite wastefull not having dialogues to talk about the book after it´s published or telling her you found some wastelanders making use of the book!
Colonel Autumn had an insane amount of potential as a character and Bethesda fumbled it so hard.
Hindsight 20-20, in what sense do you believe he had potential and if you were in the writers’ room how would you revamp him?
One of my biggest pet peeves about Bethesda games is them trying to bring back old ghosts. Namely: the Enclave. The Enclave died in F2. Not completely, as Remnants still exist in FNV, but not to the point of them being able to restart their entire faction in 45 years. The Enclave should only exist as a myth, a shadow of its former self and not an important faction anymore.
BOS too. In Fallout 2, they're just one small bunker in a hidden corner of San Francisco and a handful of knights.
Well then this won’t count to you, in your opinion, but there is a rather cool and interesting mod called “For the Enclave”. It’s for FNV and it reintroduces the Enclave again as there were more survivors after the events of FO 2 apparently and they do a great job of completely changing their ways from the tyrannical leadership that gripped the Enclave before.
@@idnyftw I actually don't like F2's take on the BOS. F1 makes it pretty clear that Romulus opened a new era of diplomacy between BOS and the wastes. And I never saw them as hoarders, as House claimed. They improved on pre-war designs. The Brotherhood makes the most sense as archivists ho lost their way.
I find it funny that even Benny would hear a few DC'ers talk and be like "Hey hey, baby. Cool it with all the F-Bombs. We're civilized, ya dig?"
i totally forgot about the old man in a tower in fallout 3, i remember the radioman better, and i sure remember every single character i came across in new vegas
Then there's fallout 4 which has a decent amount of memorable characters
if only the player was as memorable, instead of the same 4 dialogue options every time "Yes" "No" "Yes but disguised as a maybe" and "What do you mean?"
Fallout 4 is hit or miss, especially with companions.
Nick, Piper, Curie and Codsworth are absolute chads, others eh. Hancock can be cool and funny but feels kinda eh, similar to Cait. Strong is an insult to every supermutant companion we had in FO games. Institute courser guy is so boring I never even recruited him. The Deacon is as cringe as entire Railroad. Danse is cool. Ada is a based machine of destruction not bound by morality.
Dogmeat is doggo. McCready feels kinda eh, tho at least he offers a good mercenary companion option.
I do have to disagree with your take on House. His dialogue is some of the best in the game and he actually has memorable lines. My favorite line grom is, "If you want to see the fate of democracies, look out the windows." The tone is amazing and while what he's saying seems crazy to modern times in the Fallout world he makes a very good point. I wouldn't even consider him a villain because all he wants is for humanity to succeed. He doesn't care about your average Mohave inhabitant but he has nothing against anyone and his ultimate goal is colonizing planets and giving the human race a fresh start. He's the best option for humanity long term.
House isnt interesting? Have you even had a conversation with him??
New Vegas dialog felt too much like an interview at times. You could ask a three-word question, and sometimes you'd get a three-minute canned answer to said question.
All the big leaders toot their own horns and try so desperately to convince you they have the right of it. Every side is one man short of victory, so they all whip out the big words and ideas to try and impress and sway you. You could easily swap out the talk of dialectics or high technology sectors for talk about pay and benefits, and there'd barely be a difference. You can distill a good deal of conversations in New Vegas down to "you should side with me because the other guys suck and just don't get it."
Don't get me wrong, it's engrossing, but it drags just a little bit more with each new game.
Well that's mainly because each leader is at the end of their rope; House is facing an insurrection on two fronts with Benny wanting to usurp him and the Omertas smuggling weapons for Caesar, the NCR is being stretched far too thinly to cope with all the problems Vegas and the outlying areas have, and Caesar, while being the most likely to conquer the whole area, is depended upon by the whole Legion. I can't remember how many characters state that once Caesar finally dies, the Legion would simply run rampant without proper guidance since Lanius is little more than the alpha of a pack of wolves, so to speak. He's not a diplomat, he's not eloquent or merciful at all, he's just brutal, effective and capable. Caesar needs someone who has capabilities on par with his own because he knows he's aging (and if you play the Legion questline is actually quite ill and doesn't know it until it really starts affecting him).
So of course each leader is going to grovel at the feet of the most capable person in the wasteland and offer the Courier whatever they can to get them on their side
You got a good point for your first one
Then you say "All the big leaders toot their own horns and try so desperately to convince you they have the right of it." Uhhh no shit?
"All the big leaders toot their own horns and try so desperately to convince you they have the right of it" hmm i wonder why they would want the courier(kinda strong) to join them?
I'd be interested to see a version of this comparing the NV Faction leads to those from 4 (I know I'm sure Preston won't rank high lol)
I might just do that.
@@sandwichslayer8208 Dew it!!!
the fact that the UNVOICED Zax in fallout 1, found in some random basement with nothing to do with the main quest that most players wont even have a high enough int stat to interact with in full has more personality and complexity than the voiced, secondary antagonist, john henry eaton is very telling imo
I believe Harold is pretty memorable in Fallout 3. A giant talking person-turned-tree who is in constant pain and desperately wants to die, but is kept in permanent agony through a bunch of dumb cultists that wilfully choose to interpret his desperate pleas of "kill me please" in whatever way they choose.
Not to mention that the tree growing out of him is called Bob.
Also, choosing to kill him or actually spread his...uhm....seed....actually has serious consequences for the rest of the wasteland, as he might just be the last possible form of vegetable life capable of spreading in the east.
I think that's memorable enough, not to mention that the game doesn't tell you which choice is the right one. Other than stating the obviously pure evil one of just burning him alive with a flamer.
True but I'm certain he was in one the Black Isle Fallout games, can't give Bethesda all the credit.
@@jakemarshall360 Yeah he was in FO1 and FO2.
I disagree. I think the Villains make sense in the context of the setting.
Eden is polite, diplomatic and overall nice, but still pushing for his terrible world ending plan. He is based off all the politicians of the pre and post war. When you meet him, he is in the middle of a Civil War over his decision and is taking a long shot with you. He is trying to be unassuming and nice due to that fact he is trying to convince you to destory the world.
Autumn is actually kinda intersting when you put him in to context. He rebelled in Fallout 3 from Eden due, in part, due to his plans. He wanted the purifier for the purpose of using as a key to power in the region. He wanted to do what the Brotherhood ended up doing in the post game and Fallout 4: Use to purifier to create a Enclave State or at least allow them to live long term. The reason he doesn't give you the time of day is because, to him, your barley anyone important. Your some kid out of Vault 101, with the purifier code being the only thing he wants.
While New Vegas had intersting and great characters, most of them want the courier on there side. The Courier, by mid game, has become a massive force for change in New Vegas. In 3, your PC is not noticed for there activities until the post game, and even then not by much.
I think its just due to different situations your PC is in. In 3, your the kid out of Vault 101 who is only claim to fame is that a radio station likes you and you dad made a purifier. In Vegas, you hold the keys to the future of the conflict as well as surviving a shot to the head from point one.
But yeah, I will say on a basic level Bethesda more generic NPC are more realistic if not dull. Being an asshole to a guy who is staring at you, stealing your things or being a dick is normal, if not uncreative. NV has more colorful background characters who are interesting if not a bit out there.
No one knows what’s memorable until they see General Oliver being thrown from hoover dam… a few times
Let Bethesda do the Gameplay and focus on kinks; let Obsidian do the story 110%
Absolutely
The main difference in the writing of Bethesda and Interplay/Black Isle/Obsidian is that Bethesda writes with a specific tone in mind. Every character in Fallout 3 is tryin to add to the tone of adventure that the game has, so the whacky, or whimsical, or bizarre, or overly hostile lines are meant to be that way to add to what the game wanted for it's tone.
The old school Fallout team however writes with the intent of sounding very real, the huge majority of the lines in New Vegas for example are just trying to sound like things the person would say in that situation, with nothing else in mind. Even when you have sillier moments like No-Bark, or the various quips and jokes "Darn it, nobody ever buys the T-rexes." The lines never push a tone. And because of that it all seems much more realistic.
Now the DLCs of New Vegas actually move away from this and it's noticeable. All the lines in Old World Blues are pushing the comedic sci-fi angle, all the lines in Dead Money try to disturb to add to the atmosphere of the survival horror DLC, Lonesome Road has all it's dialogue convey a seriousness and grandiosity to it, to make it feel like a real ending of the game. Honest Hearts doesn't fit into this because it was made by the same project director of the base game rather than the rest of the DLC.
Personally I think both styles have their places. Fallout 3 is a fun game and it's less grounded dialogue add to it, and New Vegas of course is fantastic as well.
Bro failing the barter check with house was the best line in my opinion
Bethesda fanboys when somebody criticizes abysmal Bethesda writing: "CHERRYPICKING!1!!1!!!1!!!1!!1"
Saw that a thousand times with other youtubers and game forums
I learn that if you critique anything related to Bethesda or their games they will immediately turn hostile and make excuses of why you’re wrong and how you should feel bad, these people are a lost cause.
probably also the same with new vegas fanboys
I mean, New Vegas has Boxcars, probably the single most foul-mouthed character in the franchise, and he's absolutely hilarious. You're right, it's not the swearing, it's how you do it.
Yeah but Boxcars is justified, he "won" the lottery and got his two legs broken from it. If i were in his shoes i would swear a lot too from the constant pain.
@@sooz6092 That was my point.
>house
>villain
You should do a video about the NV and 3 companions, i think that's one of the biggest differences between the two games
Tenpenny is alright….. That’s about all that the Bethesda villains have going for them. Obsidian kicks their ass like a cazador against a lvl 1 courier trying to go straight to Vegas.
I really enjoyed this break down! I subbed good sir!
I think Bethesda was really trying to play up the fact that the wasteland is a tough place full of overly-agressive survivalist people. Which is true but they vastly overestimated how much people like to hide it behind a nice facade. New vegas feels legit because almost everyone is trying to get something from you in some way but it isn't always the direct way.
Poor Muggy. Programmed to know hes programmed to be crazy... Mobius wasnt evil though just crazy himself.
Bethesda dialogue: "Mature" writing
Obsidian dialogue: Mature writing
"what do you heckin' mean saying the f word isn't mature!"
The Legate is just... Unbeatable in this contest...
The fact that they took rad scorpions and super mutants from the West and brought them to the east is what first got me questioning 3's decisions. Just taking enemies who evolved naturally in the west and brought them to the east destroyed the world building imo, got so samey afterwords. Fallout 4 added a few new creatures so I don't know why they couldn't have just done that with the first game.
Nice charlies, too! Give 'em a shake for the benman, will you?
Both games have good dialogue.
You have to compare the right dialogue/lines and not cherry pick lines.
Fallout 3 has great and unique characters, they all aren’t the same.
Also swearing isn’t a bad thing.
The characters do stand out and they don’t say the same stuff.
Eden is a great character with great dialogue. You forgot to talk about Enclave radio.
Me house has great dialogue.
Eden is a unique and memorable character.
The majority of characters aren’t “generic tough guys that swear a lot”, that’s a lie and simply isn’t true.
All this video is is obsidian good Bethesda bad, which isn’t true.
Muggy and the toaster always make me laugh
"Do you know how many mugs a robo brain has? NOT FUCKING MANY"
I literally was recommended the first vid yesterday and now this
like an avgn episode out here
The peak of gaming was FNV. If they brought the crew back together and made Fallout 5 with the NV crew updated graphics and engine it would be do record numbers.
I guess funny, witty, and memorable is alot more subjective than I thought
Pretty honest view. And as for people asking if Obsidian or Black Isle didn't use swearing, well, they did. Caesar had a lot of swear lines, and I don't even need to start about the classic games (from Gizmo to Marlon, Highwaymen, Mercs, New Reno mobsters, etc, etc). The primary difference is, west coast fallout knew the balance between thematic graphic perpetuation and just straight out explicit expression. Bethesda just flat-out doesn't. Well, what is said is said, I better move on...
The difference is that in West Coast games characters swear like actual adult people. And in Bethesda's games they often sound more like children trying to look cooler and older.
@@zhulikkulik exactly. Leave it to a bethesdork to ignore the context
@@Gameprojordan All bethesda-written fallout games are written by redditors pretty much. Only redditors would be gullible enough to defend Fallout 3's poor dialog and enjoy vanilla Fallout 4 and 76
I didn't know that everyone in my school was made by Bethesda. Can't say a single darn sentence without dropping an f bomb.
It’s like someone who I can’t remember said , they have to be tougher in the capital wasteland because it is far less forgiving and more deadly in general
That’s bs
One word cazadors
Not to mention Joshua graham, Legate Lenius and Ulysses.
Benny is just so damn good, hes incredible.
I would say bethesda's writing peaked with kellog. i don't think he drops a single F bomb. And he's certainly a man you'll never forget
Damn man, even though Mr.House is more a machine, a calculator to be exact, than a man that care about human behavior, he do have a touch of comedy, intended or not, he do know paying taxes is not fun lmao
House is very much a human being. He was always greatly rational in his methods and instrumentalistic, yes, but he has emotions and needs like everybody else. He's not actually a computer at all.
His bias against a tax-based government most likely stems from his life as a grand enterpreneur in a highly anti-communist, anti-socialist, therefore, highly libertarian society, of which he was the top-dog in terms of finances and technological prowess. That this same society contradicted itself by also having it's people in an almost totalitarian grip, was most likely seen as pure hypocrisy by House.
I believe this is the reason he has a sort of venomous hate towards the NCR's old-world democratic ways. Taxation is a good thing for a whole bunch of reason, but House never knew anything other than corruption and misuse of power, things that are very present in NCR politics. It's only natural for him to have his biases.
I honestly like antagonizing House just because it gets him to crack his shell of control a little bit. "NOW BE A GOOD COURIER AND DELIVER IT!"
If you wanna make autumn more interesting in retrospect the best thing that they can do is make it canon that he is spared and have them show up in Chicago As a somewhat changed man he actually does have the potential to be a good character at least in the concept of this man who is blindly dedicated to their ideals of re-creating America and unlike President Richardson and President autumn he doesn’t seem to want to kill literally everyone outside the enclave too bad because they didn’t give him any interesting interactions with you. Other hand Cesar swears quite a lot compared to the rest of his Legion and that only highlights how he is a different person from the rest of them and contrast with his normal manner of speaking.
The thing is. Fallout New Vegas wasn't even finished. I think the 2 games wouldn't even be comparable if the developers actually managed to succeed with all of their plans with the game.
All right, now I'm waiting for the Fallout 4 Vs New Vegas comparison, although we already know who is gonna win.
the dialogue when you shoot the boulder city memorial will always be my favorite 😂
Houses dialogue isn’t interesting? Man I gotta dislike just for that, like no dude just no.
Fallout three and new vegas both have a special place in my heart as s my first two experiences with fallout. Fallout 3 more so holds that nostalgia factor as playing it really gives me a blast from the past. But I personally enjoy fallout new vegas more than 3, I think the characters are much more memorable, off the top of my head are doctors klein, 0, 8, borous, and dala, Zero is really on the top because he's voiced by doc venture from venture bros and is reslly just a bumbling fool who doesn't know what he's doing.
House many not necessarily be an antagonist, but he sure is a villain
When I originally played FO3, I thought Tenpenny was a cartoon character. I didn't think it was realistic that somebody could be so callously evil but also simultaneously basically a cartoon character. But since around about 2016 I've had a change of heart and now consider the character downright prescient.
Bro seriously didnt give fallout 3 a fighting chance.
Yeah, I just realized that obsidians dialogue drop a lot more f-bombs than Bethesda’s
"I hope that this doesn't cause any fallout between us. Fallout New Vegas" -Benny mere seconds before shooting you
"Mr House doesn't say anything witty or memorable"
Yes he does, I, and many other FNV players, can quote his dialogue from the top of our heads, he is one of the most charismatic characters in gaming
I thought eden was memorable in his radio and autumn is just funny especially his "you lie!" Quote
"That's my chip! MINEE! now be a good COURIER, and DELIEVER IT!"
As an aside, I'm replaying 3 via TTW and listening to Carol in Underworld describing her surviving the immediate aftermath of the bomb sent chills down my spine. I think Bethesda has flashes of being good writers, I just hate how inconsistent they are.
I think they could've fleshed out Eden and Autumn if they fleshed out their relationship better. The fact that they're in conflict within the Enclave, to the extent they're fighting each other in the base is wild. It could've been a subversion of expectations if they leaned into the fact Autumn seems like the "clear bad guy" from the moment you meet him, and then you later realize that he's actually empathetic compared to Eden's goal of mass murder. To me their character backgrounds are pretty interesting (especially Eden, the unusually historically interested AI) but their roles can't support that so it goes unused. I feel like in New Vegas they're more likely to have larger, more important characters who support that range, so it's less of a problem.
God I’ve been waitin for somethin like this for a whiioiile
"Talk to Ahzrukhal"
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