Man!!! you are by far the best one that gives such a detail description on how to play!!! When I'm looking up new games to play I just come here and I'm sold!!!! Especially on seafall can't wait to play it
Rodney, your videos have come a long way since the basement table and background from your first season! I'm so proud of your progress and still love to watch your videos --Jeff
I really love this VDO, I am Thai and I can't understand all the instruction in the boardgame. So, I searched for a while and finally see this, thanks.
This guy makes the best at these how to play videos, I always look for his first when I get a new game. I kinda wish I did not have this game on my shelf though, because learning this one looks like a bit much.
Sometimes a game is more effort than you may want to put in, and that can be disappointing, but sometimes it happens. Games should be fun, and if it feels like the effort won't be fun enough, you might want to pass on this one and try something else. Thanks for the kind words on the video!
Thank you so much! This video was so helpful, I hardly had to look at the directions in setting up my first game. We had this video and watched it (parts at least) several times whenever we had to clarify something during setup All your videos are helpful, keep up the good work!
Great work Rodney. I've read the rulebook a couple of times now and am in agreement with others that it isn't laid out particularly well. Your explanation of the setup made it seem much simpler and the rules are much less convoluted than the rulebook. I'm certain your video will make it more approachable for people to get into. Thanks a lot for your help in advance for when I get my copy delivered and to the table!
I'm finally getting around to this since, well, I'm going to be stuck at home for a couple of weeks while we all wait out COVID-19. And I had many questions even after reading the rule book. Should have known to go straight to the authority! :) Questions answered. Thanks, Rodney!
I wish you could do a gameplay of this. Because of your gameplay videos I've purchased a lot of board games and allowed me to remember my passion for them.
I agree that could be fun, but I feel this type of game just might not work for that. They would have to put up quite a few videos in order to get through the whole campaign, and because it is a legacy game, he would have to purchase another copy in order to play it with his friends.
It is a great game, we had a lot of fun thank you. Your video really helped to help it run smoothly. I do have one thing I would like to clear up? I believe you are on able to perform one explore action between both your ship and the same for raiding? Not one explore / raid for both ship? I just want to make sure we were playing it right, and is it classed as an action for a ship being a support ship in exploration / raid? I hope that makes sense. Any help would be much appreciated. Kind Regards
Hi sorry. What I am wondering is it each of your ships able to perform one explore action, each turn or is it between both your ships you have one exploration action between them? In other words does each ship get to do two of the actions for the chosen guild, or between both ships, you get to do the 2 actions? I hope that makes more sense.
Ah, I think I see what you are asking. How many ships can do the action is defined by the action itself. For example, when performing the sail action, it says you can move each of your ships. When doing the explore action it says "Explore 1 site". So that's a total of 1 site. If both of your ships are at sites, you can still only do a grand total of "1" explore with that action. Hope that helps.
My girlfriend's copy just arrived today, and the group we played through season 1 and 2 of Pandemic Legacy are going to be playing through this next. Super stoked!
Enjoyed our first session of it, though I think one of the players may have been a bit confused and as such did not enjoy it as much as the rest of us.
+Alex Pereira sadly, game night was a huge success, meaning too many showed up so we could not play game 1... the prologue makes me feel good though. It's enough discovery and Sharpie use that I know we're in a legacy game, with a good twist at the end to let players get a feel for how things will change later. I won't spoil anything, but I definitely shared about this on the Plaid Hat Podcast this week! (episode 214)
Well at least that's promising. I'm hearing the prologue is the least exciting game. I'm having a lot of doubt believing that will be true for my group as we've never played a Legacy game or a pick and deliver game.
Great job as usual, Rodney! I don't really like to play legacy games because it felt like I'm intentionally disfiguring my own games. Every time you say, "paste a sticker" or "use a pen", I will involuntarily shudder as a cold tendril of fear runs up my neck from down my spine.
I used to be that way, but I've since found it quite liberating to not worry about that, when playing a legacy game. I'm still very protective of my other games though :)
Boy, I started watching this thinking I didn't care if you covered spoilers (not that I thought you would) because I didn't think I'd ever get around to playing it. But now I think I'd prefer this to Pandemic Legacy (which I also own and don't play), so curse your enthusiastic reviews, Rodney!
Just read the rules today, and planning to start our games this Tuesday (fitting the day after Columbus Day here in the USA). As always your videos are great, and in the case of SeaFall it def. helped solidify the rules I just read. Will make get going easy this week. Don't understand why there is a small amount of negativity out there for this game, I think even if it wasn't a Legacy game it looks like tons of fun. The Legacy aspect just makes it even more interesting. Any plans to do a 'Play-thru' with the family like you did with Dead of Winter? Would love to be able to find this (after I played all my games) and see someone else experience. (With that said I know it would be tough to do cause it would be too easy to spoil the gamer for others). Regardless, great video as always!
This wouldn't be a game that I'd be easily able to do a play through of, and so instead, I'm just playing it locally with friends, as we're able. It requires enough of a time commitment, that we need to plan ahead to find the time, which would be tricky if we were trying to play and record at the same time. Glad you liked the video though!
Thanks for all the clarifications! One quirky rule clarification: If your hold is full but you gain a good during an exploration, do you have the choice to take the good and throw out a good in your hold? Same question for raiding. Thanks!
Incredible job Rodney. I'd love to play this game but 15 sessions is a tough sell. My group did manage to hold together for an entire imperial assault campaign so maybe...
Thanks for all your help! One last question! We had this scenario in the Prologue: Two ships used in exploration. The flagship's hold is full of goods, the support ship has no goods in it. Following the exploration, the player was awarded a spice. Can he use the support hold or does he just not get the spice? I think that's my last question from our Prologue play-through. Your answers will help us immensely as we progress through the game!
Thanks for making this video! I just got the game and haven't played yet, but I'm really excited to try this. One question, you mention something about "a location you control" a couple times, like when placing the garrison improvement stickers. How do you control a location other than your home province?
Love your videos Rodney. Plaid Hat should have hired you to do Videos that explain each new revealed rule. We are 13 games in and have made many mistakes. It has been enjoyable, but also very frustrating. Why would they not have links to more detailed video explanations when new rules are introduced? This game calls out for more clarity in the rules that your videos have provided me for other games.
Hey Rodney! Thanks for the excellent Watch It Played! My group is incredibly excited to start Seafall today. Quick question: After each players take one turn is a new event card drawn or does this only happen during the Winter Phase?
Great video! We played the Prologue yesterday and there are some rules here and there that need some additional explanation. I think one of the more confusing parts is the carryover from one game to the next through the Winter phase. At minute 9, you talk about refreshing ship upgrades, but these don't carry over from one game to the next. However, I think I may have just answered my own question with this thought: a game may entail more than one year, is that correct? I always just thought you could play an entire game within the confines of one year or set of 6 rounds. But it seems that you could get to winter without getting enough glory points, necessitating a winter refresh. Is that right? That wasn't too clear to me in the rules but makes sense when thinking about a) how the game plays and b) your explanation in this video.
I dont know what’s wrong with people but SeaFall is not so bad. Sure, there’s a lot of rules to digest but once you get a hang of the main mechanics, it’s a good game! 😎 Playing it right now, and I’m enjoying myself a lot. This video helped me a lot to understand it even more. Thanks Rodney!
Question. You search a location at an island and succeed in the endeavour. You go through the captains log and read a story that changes the island location to a wood supply. Once putting the sticker on the map do I then put a cube of wood on the location or do I wait till winter?
Hey James, I typically do my best to answer all questions on the videos, but this one I'm not sure of - you may want to check on the BoardGameGeek page for this one.
Thanks for the great video! We recently played the prologue and got into a (to us) unresolvable situation: One of us explored a grave site and the captain's book then instructed them to read a specific milestone card - which wasn't in the game since we only had the prologue cards in play. We could also not find that card in any of the unsealed materials. What did we do wrong??
Can't really say for sure there. I do my best to cover general rules questions, but once it gets into cards and their effects, I have to direct you to the publishers (it would be too much for me to try to keep track of as one person). Sorry I couldn't help with this!
Hey Rodney, This wasn't really highlighted in the video, but can you elaborate a little on the mechanism through which new "stuff" is added to the game? Is that something that only happens between missions (as per the campaign book) or during a session as well? If so, can you explain a little about it? Also, I noticed that you've mentioned the three types of dice symbols but it seems that these do not matter (other than for island effects, possibly) - can I assume that as the game progresses and new rules are introduced, these symbols will become more distinct? Lastly, is there some mechanism or explanation of what to do if you make a (potentially large or permanent) rules mistake (due to the nature of a game where the rules may change)?
Basically, you'll be instructed at the appropriate time. I can't say when those moments are, because I haven't played though the game either (though we will be starting tonight). As you suggest, it's likely the dice symbols will play a role as game elements are unlocked. No specific method is provided. Players would want to decide on what is most fair for their particular situation.
That I don't recall off the top of my head. If you check the game end rules, unless it specifies certain ones aren't available, then you should be good to go.
Rodney your coverage was excellent as always. Now having read the Rulebook, gone through this video, and the two coverage videos that the dice tower has produced as of this date, I can say with out a doubt that this game, is overly long and boring and a hard sell because of it. I do not think it is bad game, but the hype around this one compared to Scythe and Blood Rage, and how good those games turned out being, night and day. The only other game that made me hide my wallet faster was Ticket to Ride sails and rails.
I think the backlash has been such that the game is now being UNDERrated -- perhaps a healthy balance to the hype train we've all been reading for months, but no more realistic for that.
Very informative. Thank you so much. ^^ Edit: I think I'm going to buy it but nuts to placing the stickers on the board! I'm putting the stickers on cardboard like tokens.
ok i loved the video , but what happens to when u complete the 15 games is there add ons do u take off all the stickers , ? is there new boards you can buy or captains logs ?
The game is playable after the 15th game, but exactly how that works is a spoiler for the campaign. There likely won't be anything extra to purchase for this to happen though.
A very impressive looking game. I love the expansive personalization as well as the sealed components/rules aspects of the game. The only thing that concerns me though is replay value. You have stickers abound and all the personalization is done with ink...how much replay value is there? I know you don't do reviews, but I would like to get a wide range of opinions concerning a game before I get it. How much replay value do you think this game has?
According to the designer, the game can be played for approximately 15 sessions, but potentially more, if you find the players are not aggressive about exploring. I'll avoid comments on replayability, because I think Legacy games are to be approached differently than non-legacy games - but that's very much a personal point of view.
... That's a lot of rules... But I like it! Is there any way to play the game without the campaign stuff in the rule book, or would those be house-rules?
Hey there, I'm always happy to try to help with rules questions, but if the answer is provided in the video, than I have to direct you there. You'll find an index in the description to help you find the section you might be looking for.
I found what I think is a discrepancy in the rules that I would like clarified please. Page 15: It states first: "An upgrade can never have its cost lowered below 0 gold." Then it states in the example: "Furthermore, her advisor has Upgrade -2, which lowers the price to free. " Which is it, free or 1 gold?
Yep, Michael has that right. Lower to free, would mean, lowering to zero. When it says you can't go "below" 0, it means you can't reduce the cost to a negative value (for example, -$2), and therefore be "owed" money when you buy. :)
Colonies are one of the things in the rule book that get explained later from unlocked content, as I understand it, so this video doesn't cover those rules. That might need to be asked of the publisher directly.
If I have a ship at an island, and an opponent raids a site on that island, do I count as defending? Also, how do you get permanent enmity on a province? Is that from enmity gained since the last winter or do "at war with" tokens count?
You wouldn't count as defending in that case (but your ships can defend when they are raiding your post). For the enmity question, it might be best for me to direct you to page 21 of the rule book under "Determining Enmity". They give a good example.
Hey Rodney, Given that this is a "single play through" because of its legacy design is there an option to play through the prologue a couple of times before embarking on the full play? It looks to be fairly complex in nature (which my game group likes) but we would like to have a firm grasp of the rules and the play before making a mistake because of a missed rule etc. I guess my question really boils down to the concern that if we played each scenario through in order and thereby changed the game as we went along would a mistake due to an unknown or misinterpreted rule effectively place a player well behind the proverbial 8 ball and/or ruin their play experience or is there enough leeway to allow players to make errors (which are inevitable ) and yet allow them to remain competitive? Thanks, Chris
This is really tough to answer, as it depends on perceptions and player skill level. Sometimes players feel like a game is beating up on them, while other times a player recognizes that they are just playing poorly :) Depending on the temperament of your group, these perceptions may be different. In the prologue, you do make some permanent changes, in terms of naming things, and some stickers getting placed on islands. Could you instead just leave the stickers off the islands and not name things, for a test play? I think so. I'd avoid reading the final story piece on the final milestone though.
I did hear an episode of Game Design Round Table where Rob Daviau spoke about how in Risk Legacy he had failed to account for exactly that problem, so I would imagine he's accounted for that in this version. Even with just the prologue materials unlocked, it's noticeable that the lower ranked and less successful players get more leeway in what to carry over to the next game.
so let me get this straight if i upgrade my ship or build a structure. The game runs in such a way that what, between games my buildings were let run down and rot to ruin and my ship crews forgot about the upgrade i installed a week ago. would it not make more sense to just put the building and upgrade tiles in your treasure chest as well. surely a legacy game means bringing the vast majority of your stuff from one game to the next, or am i missing something.
It works the way it's described in the video. As you note, you don't retain all your advancements from game to game, but some you do. Sort of like Risk Legacy and Pandemic Legacy, you always reset the board, but there are changes that carry over.
+Daniel Cassidy Many games these days are hybrids of both. What one person thinks is clearly one way, another will see the exact opposite. I avoid getting involved in those discussions, as I don't mind how people want to classify games. When I'm playing a game, I don't worry about what someone else defined it as :)
Yeah i suppose as a person in your position that is probably the right way to view it. talking about hybrids i played one of the best hybrids out there IMO of course last night, champions of midgard. have you tried it. what are you doing next by the way as were getting cry havoc 99% based on your videos.
Can someone please clarify how this works from step 4 in the winter phase: Move enmity on islands to cover the garrison of the island. Does the enmity tokens replace the value of the garrison or add to it? If enmity replaces it does that mean the garrison have a value of zero for players with no enmity on that island if another players' enmity covers it?
Hey there, Step 4 in the Winter phase of the rule book says: "Move all enmity tokens on province board sites to the At War With section of that province board. Move enmity on islands to cover the garrison of the island." This is something different than what you're describing, I think. Did you have a specific time stamp within the video that you were referring to (sorry, I end up reading a lot of rule books, and often need a point of reference, in order to know exactly what a question relates to).
Thanks for the swift reply, what I'm asking about happens at 7.40: ruclips.net/video/yJjoxACoVuM/видео.htmlm40s Basically what does it mean to have the garrison covered?
Hey y'all! We're playing thru the game and I hit on a quirk -- if you sink a ship in one turn, do you give it three damage? The only reason we thought you would is because there are some damage cards that require you to pay money to repair. Thoughts? Also, we had an issue where we explored a site that already had all of its symbols marked up. We think we may have, under the influence, accidentally crossed out the wrong symbol. We decided to just pick one and read it again. Thoughts?
Can't help you too much there. Sinking ships goes beyond the scope of the video. For your question on crossing symbols, it does sound like you may have flubbed one of them, along the way, but you found a nice workaround :)
On your turn, can you explore more than one site? Let's say you sail your ships to two separate islands with unexplored sites. Can you then explore those sites? We had this question because you can sail both ships during your turn, so why can't you explore/raid/buy with both ships?
Not for this one. We'll want to play this as it suits the members of our game group. We will have a game play series starting this week for a different game though.
This seems like a really fun and interesting game, but is there any way to replay it after you have completed the campaign? it seams that you would either need to buy it again, or go through a lot of effort to replace stickers with tokens, and add removable name tags. Once again this look like an amazing game, but if I had to rebuy it every time I wanted to play the full game, I just don't think I could afford it.
I haven't played it all the way through. I have heard that you can play beyond the campaign, but I can't say that with first hand knowledge. You certainly couldn't start all over again.
One of the appellations, "The Vengeful", states: Take back one enmity token each winter (including the first). Can the leader with "The Vengeful" appellation cross out a permanent enmity marker each winter?
I'd hesitate to answer questions that specifically. I can cover the rules in the book, but once it gets into specific interactions, I think I'd want to advise you to reach out to the publisher, in that case.
I had a similar question: one of the appellations says the leader can take a fortune token each winter (including the first). Each game starts with a winter, so does this mean at the start of each game, right away, the leader can take an extra fortune token? Or will I have to wait until we reach the next winter inside a game? My game group just did the prologue, so we haven't started game 1 yet. Also, we were wondering why there's so many reputation tokens and fortune tokens when it appears we only get them at the start of each game and they don't carry over. My game group for this game only has three people, so we're only using six reputation and fortune tokens total while there's a huge pile of them just sitting there. We couldn't find anything in the rules about them being refreshed in-game.
At the start of each game, right away, the leader with this appellation can take back an enmity token, just like it says. I have found the rule become more clear as new rules are revealed in game. It just answered my above question.
Sort of a personal question: I'm struck by the way you pronounce "iron" -- can I ask what part of the country you grew up in? I think regional differences in language are so interesting -- especially now that usage is becoming more and more uniform.
Several of the elements are placed according to choices made by the players, so I'm not sure how that would work exactly. If it's possible to do, there aren't instructions to explain how one would go about that.
I was just asking this cause I know for a fact that we wouldn't be able to play all of the missions cause we dont have enough time to do that. Maybe someone will come up with an idea. Thanks for the quick reply anyways! :)
you don't have to play all the games at once? it's intended to be played by the same group of people, over a long stretch of time. weeks, maybe months.
36:09 - Roughly: "If two or more players are tied for the same rank, the player with the least-prominent title chooses which rank to pick." We assume that meant "of the titles these people are tied for." True? Maybe I'm just being obtuse.
You give the most prominent title to the character with the most glory at that point. If there is a tie for glory, than the player who had the lower rank in the previous game chooses the title they want from among the tied options. Does that clear it up? Not sure how to rephrase it to be clearer exactly, but I'll try :)
***** Chooses the title they want from the entire rest of the title pool? I think I was thinking that each tie would be broken within the pool of tied persons / titles... So if people are tied for the 2nd/3rd spot, they get to choose between only the 2nd/3rd spot, and everyone else gets the one spot that they are entitled to.
I'm not sure how they could of - the changes to the game have to carry over from game to game - but you still need the ability to be able to put the game away. Permanent changes would seem to be the only way. Also, it's the intention of games like this to create the experience of making decisions that really matter, and that will impact the future as you keep playing. If you could undo the changes, it would lessen that. I'm not saying any gamer should like that method, but this is part of the appeal to some players.
This is a great game. But I know I've been playing it wrong! I just like exploring the islands and collecting treasures. I don't even bother fighting the other players half the time!
Keep in mind, what people find fun is entirely up to them. Complicated does not mean it will be more fun for everyone. That's what we hope the video will help provide - enough information to decide for yourself, if the game would be what you and your gaming group is looking for.
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I just wanted to let you know that you received very high praise from my 12-year-old son for this video. You explain everything so clearly!
Please tell him "thank you" for the kind words!
Man!!! you are by far the best one that gives such a detail description on how to play!!! When I'm looking up new games to play I just come here and I'm sold!!!! Especially on seafall can't wait to play it
Rafael, thanks for the kind words - really nice to know you're enjoying the videos!
Rodney, your videos have come a long way since the basement table and background from your first season! I'm so proud of your progress and still love to watch your videos --Jeff
Thanks Jeff - appreciate you being on the journey - and it continues still!
I really love this VDO, I am Thai and I can't understand all the instruction in the boardgame. So, I searched for a while and finally see this, thanks.
You're very welcome!
This guy makes the best at these how to play videos, I always look for his first when I get a new game. I kinda wish I did not have this game on my shelf though, because learning this one looks like a bit much.
Sometimes a game is more effort than you may want to put in, and that can be disappointing, but sometimes it happens. Games should be fun, and if it feels like the effort won't be fun enough, you might want to pass on this one and try something else. Thanks for the kind words on the video!
Thank you so much! This video was so helpful, I hardly had to look at the directions in setting up my first game. We had this video and watched it (parts at least) several times whenever we had to clarify something during setup
All your videos are helpful, keep up the good work!
Great to hear this was helpful!!
Preparing this video must have been a real challenge! I'm sure Rob and Plaid Hat are really happy with how you worked for this!
I certainly hope it lives up to their expectations :)
I was excited, now I'm anxious to play it! I'm so glad this will have an almost simultaneously release here in Brazil...!
That's great to hear - I know sometimes you're forced to wait a bit longer!
We call it EYE-RON because of your instructions! Great vid!
Ha! Glad to help you talk like an East Coaster Canadian :)
Great work Rodney. I've read the rulebook a couple of times now and am in agreement with others that it isn't laid out particularly well. Your explanation of the setup made it seem much simpler and the rules are much less convoluted than the rulebook. I'm certain your video will make it more approachable for people to get into. Thanks a lot for your help in advance for when I get my copy delivered and to the table!
I had hoped by rearranging a few things, it might smooth out the learning experience, but wasn't sure - so thanks for the feedback!
I'm finally getting around to this since, well, I'm going to be stuck at home for a couple of weeks while we all wait out COVID-19. And I had many questions even after reading the rule book. Should have known to go straight to the authority! :) Questions answered. Thanks, Rodney!
Happy sailing, sailor!
Been looking forward to this playthrough. Thanks so much.
Glad you were hoping to see it :)
Thanks for all your help! This really helped us as we played through our first real game.
Great to hear!
This is the best video about the rules of Seafall.
Thank you kindly!
I wish you could do a gameplay of this. Because of your gameplay videos I've purchased a lot of board games and allowed me to remember my passion for them.
I agree that could be fun, but I feel this type of game just might not work for that. They would have to put up quite a few videos in order to get through the whole campaign, and because it is a legacy game, he would have to purchase another copy in order to play it with his friends.
Thanks for the interest - we're planning to start a game play series again very soon (but for a different game).
Thanks Rodney, I was debating whether to get this game but now I'm definitely getting it!
Glad you found the video helpful Hunter!
I can't wait for this game to come out thanks for doing a walk-through
You're very welcome!
Solid episode Rodney!
Thanks Marlon!
Great video really helped to clear the rules up a bit, I feel ready for the campaign we are starting tomorrow.
I hope you have a great time playing Philip!
It is a great game, we had a lot of fun thank you. Your video really helped to help it run smoothly. I do have one thing I would like to clear up? I believe you are on able to perform one explore action between both your ship and the same for raiding? Not one explore / raid for both ship? I just want to make sure we were playing it right, and is it classed as an action for a ship being a support ship in exploration / raid? I hope that makes sense. Any help would be much appreciated. Kind Regards
Sorry Philip, I'm just having a little trouble following the question.
Hi sorry.
What I am wondering is it each of your ships able to perform one explore action, each turn or is it between both your ships you have one exploration action between them? In other words does each ship get to do two of the actions for the chosen guild, or between both ships, you get to do the 2 actions?
I hope that makes more sense.
Ah, I think I see what you are asking. How many ships can do the action is defined by the action itself. For example, when performing the sail action, it says you can move each of your ships. When doing the explore action it says "Explore 1 site". So that's a total of 1 site. If both of your ships are at sites, you can still only do a grand total of "1" explore with that action. Hope that helps.
How convenient, we are starting tonight ! Thanks so much ! :-D
You're very welcome. I hope it was helpful!
My girlfriend's copy just arrived today, and the group we played through season 1 and 2 of Pandemic Legacy are going to be playing through this next. Super stoked!
Hope you have a great time playing!
Enjoyed our first session of it, though I think one of the players may have been a bit confused and as such did not enjoy it as much as the rest of us.
Well Done, Rodney! I'm playing Game 1 tonight after the podcast!
So glad you liked it Alex! I hope you guys have some great adventures on the high seas. We kicked off our campaign here as well :)
How has game 1 and/or the prologue felt for you both?
+Alex Pereira sadly, game night was a huge success, meaning too many showed up so we could not play game 1...
the prologue makes me feel good though. It's enough discovery and Sharpie use that I know we're in a legacy game, with a good twist at the end to let players get a feel for how things will change later. I won't spoil anything, but I definitely shared about this on the Plaid Hat Podcast this week! (episode 214)
Well at least that's promising. I'm hearing the prologue is the least exciting game. I'm having a lot of doubt believing that will be true for my group as we've never played a Legacy game or a pick and deliver game.
+Alex Pereira that's good! this way you'll get the merchant/sailing/raiding/exploring thing down before the waters truly open up.
Great game, thx for the awesome rules explanation Rodney!
Can't wait to buy it!
Hope you have a great time with the game - thanks for the kind words.
Great explainer, now I can invite my friends and explain the rules with confidence :)
I hope you have a fund time playing!
Really good overview! Thanks, Rodney!
You're very welcome Heather!
Now I have learned all ABOOT the game! Thanks. ;^)
You're welcome, eh? :)
Legacy style of board game indeed takes some heat. i would say it is a huge innovation in BG history？
Yes, usually some pretty strong feelings around them regarding the permanent changes to the game.
Love your videos Rodney! Please do an episode on Carcassonne. There isn't anything even half-decent out there.
I'd like to do that. It was my gate-way games back into the hobby.
Great job as usual, Rodney! I don't really like to play legacy games because it felt like I'm intentionally disfiguring my own games. Every time you say, "paste a sticker" or "use a pen", I will involuntarily shudder as a cold tendril of fear runs up my neck from down my spine.
I used to be that way, but I've since found it quite liberating to not worry about that, when playing a legacy game. I'm still very protective of my other games though :)
Boy, I started watching this thinking I didn't care if you covered spoilers (not that I thought you would) because I didn't think I'd ever get around to playing it. But now I think I'd prefer this to Pandemic Legacy (which I also own and don't play), so curse your enthusiastic reviews, Rodney!
Either way, I'm glad to know you came by to check it out :)
+Watch It Played well, I wouldn't miss an episode, at any rate :)
Just read the rules today, and planning to start our games this Tuesday (fitting the day after Columbus Day here in the USA). As always your videos are great, and in the case of SeaFall it def. helped solidify the rules I just read. Will make get going easy this week. Don't understand why there is a small amount of negativity out there for this game, I think even if it wasn't a Legacy game it looks like tons of fun. The Legacy aspect just makes it even more interesting.
Any plans to do a 'Play-thru' with the family like you did with Dead of Winter? Would love to be able to find this (after I played all my games) and see someone else experience. (With that said I know it would be tough to do cause it would be too easy to spoil the gamer for others).
Regardless, great video as always!
This wouldn't be a game that I'd be easily able to do a play through of, and so instead, I'm just playing it locally with friends, as we're able. It requires enough of a time commitment, that we need to plan ahead to find the time, which would be tricky if we were trying to play and record at the same time.
Glad you liked the video though!
Thanks for all the clarifications! One quirky rule clarification: If your hold is full but you gain a good during an exploration, do you have the choice to take the good and throw out a good in your hold? Same question for raiding.
Thanks!
You may return goods to the supply (gaining nothing for them) in order to store different goods.
Incredible job Rodney. I'd love to play this game but 15 sessions is a tough sell. My group did manage to hold together for an entire imperial assault campaign so maybe...
Glad you liked the video - yes, this game does require a slightly bigger commitment compared to one-off styled games :)
Thanks for all your help! One last question!
We had this scenario in the Prologue: Two ships used in exploration. The flagship's hold is full of goods, the support ship has no goods in it. Following the exploration, the player was awarded a spice. Can he use the support hold or does he just not get the spice?
I think that's my last question from our Prologue play-through. Your answers will help us immensely as we progress through the game!
My understanding is that any ships in that region can be assigned goods from an action there.
Thanks for making this video! I just got the game and haven't played yet, but I'm really excited to try this. One question, you mention something about "a location you control" a couple times, like when placing the garrison improvement stickers. How do you control a location other than your home province?
Without re-watching my video, I'm guessing I was referring to the various areas on your home province as the various locations you control.
That makes sense. I was just making sure you couldn't own an island or anything like that.
Love your videos Rodney. Plaid Hat should have hired you to do Videos that explain each new revealed rule. We are 13 games in and have made many mistakes. It has been enjoyable, but also very frustrating. Why would they not have links to more detailed video explanations when new rules are introduced? This game calls out for more clarity in the rules that your videos have provided me for other games.
I think a Legacy game does introduce greater challenges for this sort of video support.
Hi Rodney - could you explain what the difference is between a weak, standard and strong success?
Hey Jordan, does this answer your question? ruclips.net/video/yJjoxACoVuM/видео.html
Hey Rodney! Thanks for the excellent Watch It Played! My group is incredibly excited to start Seafall today. Quick question:
After each players take one turn is a new event card drawn or does this only happen during the Winter Phase?
That is done at the beginning of every non-winter round.
Great video - cleared up a bunch of questions I had from the rules
Very glad to hear you found it helpful!
Great video! We played the Prologue yesterday and there are some rules here and there that need some additional explanation. I think one of the more confusing parts is the carryover from one game to the next through the Winter phase. At minute 9, you talk about refreshing ship upgrades, but these don't carry over from one game to the next.
However, I think I may have just answered my own question with this thought: a game may entail more than one year, is that correct? I always just thought you could play an entire game within the confines of one year or set of 6 rounds. But it seems that you could get to winter without getting enough glory points, necessitating a winter refresh.
Is that right? That wasn't too clear to me in the rules but makes sense when thinking about a) how the game plays and b) your explanation in this video.
Oh yes, a single game may span several years.
Great! Thanks! That makes more sense to me.
Great Job!
Thank you David.
I dont know what’s wrong with people but SeaFall is not so bad. Sure, there’s a lot of rules to digest but once you get a hang of the main mechanics, it’s a good game! 😎 Playing it right now, and I’m enjoying myself a lot. This video helped me a lot to understand it even more. Thanks Rodney!
You're very welcome Bunny! Everyone likes different games, right? Glad you're enjoying this one!
Question.
You search a location at an island and succeed in the endeavour. You go through the captains log and read a story that changes the island location to a wood supply.
Once putting the sticker on the map do I then put a cube of wood on the location or do I wait till winter?
Hey James, I typically do my best to answer all questions on the videos, but this one I'm not sure of - you may want to check on the BoardGameGeek page for this one.
Thanks for the great video!
We recently played the prologue and got into a (to us) unresolvable situation: One of us explored a grave site and the captain's book then instructed them to read a specific milestone card - which wasn't in the game since we only had the prologue cards in play. We could also not find that card in any of the unsealed materials. What did we do wrong??
Can't really say for sure there. I do my best to cover general rules questions, but once it gets into cards and their effects, I have to direct you to the publishers (it would be too much for me to try to keep track of as one person). Sorry I couldn't help with this!
Hey Rodney, This wasn't really highlighted in the video, but can you elaborate a little on the mechanism through which new "stuff" is added to the game? Is that something that only happens between missions (as per the campaign book) or during a session as well? If so, can you explain a little about it? Also, I noticed that you've mentioned the three types of dice symbols but it seems that these do not matter (other than for island effects, possibly) - can I assume that as the game progresses and new rules are introduced, these symbols will become more distinct?
Lastly, is there some mechanism or explanation of what to do if you make a (potentially large or permanent) rules mistake (due to the nature of a game where the rules may change)?
Basically, you'll be instructed at the appropriate time. I can't say when those moments are, because I haven't played though the game either (though we will be starting tonight).
As you suggest, it's likely the dice symbols will play a role as game elements are unlocked.
No specific method is provided. Players would want to decide on what is most fair for their particular situation.
During the first game, all available milestones are available to claim, correct? Even the "Unlock" Milestone? Thanks!
That I don't recall off the top of my head. If you check the game end rules, unless it specifies certain ones aren't available, then you should be good to go.
Love your videos
Can you make a video on Cyclades?
No plans to currently, but it's one I would consider, to be sure.
Rodney your coverage was excellent as always.
Now having read the Rulebook, gone through this video, and the two coverage videos that the dice tower has produced as of this date, I can say with out a doubt that this game, is overly long and boring and a hard sell because of it. I do not think it is bad game, but the hype around this one compared to Scythe and Blood Rage, and how good those games turned out being, night and day. The only other game that made me hide my wallet faster was Ticket to Ride sails and rails.
It won't be the right for everyone, I'm sure. Thanks for checking out the video!
My friends and I are diving into it tonight.
I think the backlash has been such that the game is now being UNDERrated -- perhaps a healthy balance to the hype train we've all been reading for months, but no more realistic for that.
Very informative. Thank you so much. ^^
Edit: I think I'm going to buy it but nuts to placing the stickers on the board! I'm putting the stickers on cardboard like tokens.
That;s an upside to board games - once you have it, you can play it your way :)
:)
nanorider426 Great idea!!
ok i loved the video , but what happens to when u complete the 15 games is there add ons do u take off all the stickers , ? is there new boards you can buy or captains logs ?
The game is playable after the 15th game, but exactly how that works is a spoiler for the campaign. There likely won't be anything extra to purchase for this to happen though.
In one game session, where do the ships winter over, do they stay on there space where turn 6 ended or do they start turn 1 back at home port?
They stay where they are.
A very impressive looking game. I love the expansive personalization as well as the sealed components/rules aspects of the game. The only thing that concerns me though is replay value. You have stickers abound and all the personalization is done with ink...how much replay value is there? I know you don't do reviews, but I would like to get a wide range of opinions concerning a game before I get it. How much replay value do you think this game has?
According to the designer, the game can be played for approximately 15 sessions, but potentially more, if you find the players are not aggressive about exploring.
I'll avoid comments on replayability, because I think Legacy games are to be approached differently than non-legacy games - but that's very much a personal point of view.
+Watch It Played thanks anyway, I figured that would be your response. it couldn't hurt to ask.
are the stickers permanent or removable?
Thanks for a good how to play!
Permanent. Thanks for checking out the video!
... That's a lot of rules... But I like it! Is there any way to play the game without the campaign stuff in the rule book, or would those be house-rules?
Not that I'm aware of.
So what is the difference between raiding and exploring? By that I mean why would you pick one over the other when concerning an island.
Hey there, I'm always happy to try to help with rules questions, but if the answer is provided in the video, than I have to direct you there. You'll find an index in the description to help you find the section you might be looking for.
Can I buy treasure after I resolved a guild action? Or is it just possible at the beginning of the player turn?
Hey Dennis, sorry for the delayed reply - I was travelling. Buy treasure only happens during the Buy Treasure or Hire Advisors Step.
I found what I think is a discrepancy in the rules that I would like clarified please. Page 15: It states first:
"An upgrade can never have its cost lowered below 0 gold." Then it states in the example: "Furthermore, her advisor has Upgrade -2, which lowers the price to free. " Which is it, free or 1 gold?
Below 0 gold means nothing below free. Those two statements state the same thing.
Yep, Michael has that right. Lower to free, would mean, lowering to zero. When it says you can't go "below" 0, it means you can't reduce the cost to a negative value (for example, -$2), and therefore be "owed" money when you buy. :)
How do colonies work? Do you put them into your chest after a game?
Colonies are one of the things in the rule book that get explained later from unlocked content, as I understand it, so this video doesn't cover those rules. That might need to be asked of the publisher directly.
If I have a ship at an island, and an opponent raids a site on that island, do I count as defending?
Also, how do you get permanent enmity on a province? Is that from enmity gained since the last winter or do "at war with" tokens count?
You wouldn't count as defending in that case (but your ships can defend when they are raiding your post).
For the enmity question, it might be best for me to direct you to page 21 of the rule book under "Determining Enmity". They give a good example.
I am still confused by the rule on page 21. Do at war token translate to permanent stickers?
Hey Rodney,
Given that this is a "single play through" because of its legacy design is there an option to play through the prologue a couple of times before embarking on the full play? It looks to be fairly complex in nature (which my game group likes) but we would like to have a firm grasp of the rules and the play before making a mistake because of a missed rule etc.
I guess my question really boils down to the concern that if we played each scenario through in order and thereby changed the game as we went along would a mistake due to an unknown or misinterpreted rule effectively place a player well behind the proverbial 8 ball and/or ruin their play experience or is there enough leeway to allow players to make errors (which are inevitable ) and yet allow them to remain competitive?
Thanks,
Chris
This is really tough to answer, as it depends on perceptions and player skill level. Sometimes players feel like a game is beating up on them, while other times a player recognizes that they are just playing poorly :) Depending on the temperament of your group, these perceptions may be different.
In the prologue, you do make some permanent changes, in terms of naming things, and some stickers getting placed on islands. Could you instead just leave the stickers off the islands and not name things, for a test play? I think so. I'd avoid reading the final story piece on the final milestone though.
Okay makes sense. Looks like it would be challenging and fun to play through! Thanks for answering so quickly!
I did hear an episode of Game Design Round Table where Rob Daviau spoke about how in Risk Legacy he had failed to account for exactly that problem, so I would imagine he's accounted for that in this version. Even with just the prologue materials unlocked, it's noticeable that the lower ranked and less successful players get more leeway in what to carry over to the next game.
Do you put stickers on the spaces you explore as a consequence of a choice according to the text you read in the "story book"?
Right!
so let me get this straight if i upgrade my ship or build a structure. The game runs in such a way that what, between games my buildings were let run down and rot to ruin and my ship crews forgot about the upgrade i installed a week ago. would it not make more sense to just put the building and upgrade tiles in your treasure chest as well. surely a legacy game means bringing the vast majority of your stuff from one game to the next, or am i missing something.
It works the way it's described in the video. As you note, you don't retain all your advancements from game to game, but some you do. Sort of like Risk Legacy and Pandemic Legacy, you always reset the board, but there are changes that carry over.
Cheers, it was a great and well produced walk through. Thank you.
Sorry to annoy you again. Could you explain to me why i keep hearing this game is a euro-style when it is clearly ameri-style.
+Daniel Cassidy Many games these days are hybrids of both. What one person thinks is clearly one way, another will see the exact opposite. I avoid getting involved in those discussions, as I don't mind how people want to classify games. When I'm playing a game, I don't worry about what someone else defined it as :)
Yeah i suppose as a person in your position that is probably the right way to view it. talking about hybrids i played one of the best hybrids out there IMO of course last night, champions of midgard. have you tried it. what are you doing next by the way as were getting cry havoc 99% based on your videos.
Can someone please clarify how this works from step 4 in the winter phase: Move enmity on islands to cover the
garrison of the island.
Does the enmity tokens replace the value of the garrison or add to it? If enmity replaces it does that mean the garrison have a value of zero for players with no enmity on that island if another players' enmity covers it?
Hey there, Step 4 in the Winter phase of the rule book says: "Move all enmity tokens on province board sites to the At War With section of that province board. Move enmity on islands to cover the garrison of the island." This is something different than what you're describing, I think. Did you have a specific time stamp within the video that you were referring to (sorry, I end up reading a lot of rule books, and often need a point of reference, in order to know exactly what a question relates to).
Thanks for the swift reply, what I'm asking about happens at 7.40: ruclips.net/video/yJjoxACoVuM/видео.htmlm40s
Basically what does it mean to have the garrison covered?
The garrison of the island is still in effect but the tokens on top remind you to factor in that enmity during a raid or when paying the island.
Hey y'all! We're playing thru the game and I hit on a quirk -- if you sink a ship in one turn, do you give it three damage? The only reason we thought you would is because there are some damage cards that require you to pay money to repair. Thoughts?
Also, we had an issue where we explored a site that already had all of its symbols marked up. We think we may have, under the influence, accidentally crossed out the wrong symbol. We decided to just pick one and read it again. Thoughts?
Can't help you too much there. Sinking ships goes beyond the scope of the video. For your question on crossing symbols, it does sound like you may have flubbed one of them, along the way, but you found a nice workaround :)
I know this is a legacy game, but is ut possible to play it as a non-legacy game?
I suppose anything is possible, but that's not really how it's built to be played.
On your turn, can you explore more than one site? Let's say you sail your ships to two separate islands with unexplored sites. Can you then explore those sites? We had this question because you can sail both ships during your turn, so why can't you explore/raid/buy with both ships?
Using the Explorer's Guild as your action let's you explore 1 location. I can't really answer why that is - except to say that is the rule :)
Ah, ok. Is that the same with the raid function? We can only raid/explore one location?
Right.
Ok, thanks!
will you be doing a live play?
Not for this one. We'll want to play this as it suits the members of our game group. We will have a game play series starting this week for a different game though.
This seems like a really fun and interesting game, but is there any way to replay it after you have completed the campaign? it seams that you would either need to buy it again, or go through a lot of effort to replace stickers with tokens, and add removable name tags. Once again this look like an amazing game, but if I had to rebuy it every time I wanted to play the full game, I just don't think I could afford it.
I haven't played it all the way through. I have heard that you can play beyond the campaign, but I can't say that with first hand knowledge. You certainly couldn't start all over again.
That is kinda disappointing, its seems like a great game, but I see replay-ability as a vary key component for games I buy. Thanks.
Do you know when this game hits retail? Thanks.
I'd rather not say in case I'm wrong. A good thing to check with the publisher on. I think pre-orders may be going out in September...
Thanks.
So it's like Settlers of Catan but way more in depth?
Maybe? I suppose a lot of games could be described that way!
One of the appellations, "The Vengeful", states:
Take back one enmity token each winter (including the first).
Can the leader with "The Vengeful" appellation cross out a permanent enmity marker each winter?
I'd hesitate to answer questions that specifically. I can cover the rules in the book, but once it gets into specific interactions, I think I'd want to advise you to reach out to the publisher, in that case.
I had a similar question: one of the appellations says the leader can take a fortune token each winter (including the first). Each game starts with a winter, so does this mean at the start of each game, right away, the leader can take an extra fortune token? Or will I have to wait until we reach the next winter inside a game? My game group just did the prologue, so we haven't started game 1 yet.
Also, we were wondering why there's so many reputation tokens and fortune tokens when it appears we only get them at the start of each game and they don't carry over. My game group for this game only has three people, so we're only using six reputation and fortune tokens total while there's a huge pile of them just sitting there. We couldn't find anything in the rules about them being refreshed in-game.
At the start of each game, right away, the leader with this appellation can take back an enmity token, just like it says.
I have found the rule become more clear as new rules are revealed in game. It just answered my above question.
In our game, you don't get to cross out. It specifically say "TAKE BACK one enmity TOKEN". And yes, I have this appellation on my character.
This is a awesome guide !
Sort of a personal question: I'm struck by the way you pronounce "iron" -- can I ask what part of the country you grew up in? I think regional differences in language are so interesting -- especially now that usage is becoming more and more uniform.
I live on the East Coast of Canada.
Maybe a dumb question, but can you just "skip" the campaign and just "unlock" everything? I mean, just use all rules, put on all stickers etc.
Several of the elements are placed according to choices made by the players, so I'm not sure how that would work exactly. If it's possible to do, there aren't instructions to explain how one would go about that.
I was just asking this cause I know for a fact that we wouldn't be able to play all of the missions cause we dont have enough time to do that. Maybe someone will come up with an idea. Thanks for the quick reply anyways! :)
+Kobirito solo it to build your world!
Seems that unlocking everything misses the point. If you don't have time there are a zillion other options?
you don't have to play all the games at once? it's intended to be played by the same group of people, over a long stretch of time. weeks, maybe months.
36:09 - Roughly: "If two or more players are tied for the same rank, the player with the least-prominent title chooses which rank to pick."
We assume that meant "of the titles these people are tied for." True? Maybe I'm just being obtuse.
You give the most prominent title to the character with the most glory at that point. If there is a tie for glory, than the player who had the lower rank in the previous game chooses the title they want from among the tied options. Does that clear it up? Not sure how to rephrase it to be clearer exactly, but I'll try :)
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Chooses the title they want from the entire rest of the title pool? I think I was thinking that each tie would be broken within the pool of tied persons / titles... So if people are tied for the 2nd/3rd spot, they get to choose between only the 2nd/3rd spot, and everyone else gets the one spot that they are entitled to.
Yes, you have it correct. I was not precise enough (I've now edited the original reply to be more accurate).
I had the same question when we were moving from Prologue to Game 1, so it's the rules, too. No worries. Thank you.
I know the game is for 3-5 players, but can you play it with only 2 players?
It's not intended for 2 players, but I believe you probably could.
maybe use only the top half or bottom half of the board. then play a second campaign with the other half? (i have no idea if that would work)
maybe use only the top half or bottom half of the board. then play a second campaign with the other half? (i have no idea if that would work)
WHERE CAN WE GET ADDITIONAL STICKERS
I'm not sure. You'd need to check with the publisher.
but if I pass go, do I collect $200?
Let's say... yes!
Unless Go has an enmity token on it.
So is this game repeatable due to the amount of stickers?
but can you do a second campain if you want to do it again?
no, John. You'd have to put everything back in the boxes, un-cross things out on the map, peel off stickers... it just wouldn't work.
The point of a Legendary game is that it is played ONCE, albeit in this case, it is played 15 times by the same people.
Nope.
No box flip!??
This was the era before the boxflip (BtB)
I am very uncomfortable with board games that destroy themselves as you play. Could they have made a version that do not do that ?
I'm not sure how they could of - the changes to the game have to carry over from game to game - but you still need the ability to be able to put the game away. Permanent changes would seem to be the only way. Also, it's the intention of games like this to create the experience of making decisions that really matter, and that will impact the future as you keep playing. If you could undo the changes, it would lessen that.
I'm not saying any gamer should like that method, but this is part of the appeal to some players.
This is a great game. But I know I've been playing it wrong! I just like exploring the islands and collecting treasures. I don't even bother fighting the other players half the time!
Hey, it's your game, you can play as you like :) But these videos can help if you DO have rules questions :)
Personally I'm not a fan of legacy games but this one doesn't look so bad
Thanks for checking it out Rowan.
I've already found a bunch of great games from your channel so it never hurts to check them all out
What is a legacy game if u dont mind me asking
It is a game that is campaign based and it changes after each time you play (such as this one)
Wow! A very complicated game. I usually only play games that are one or two players at minimum. I think I'll pass on this game.
Keep in mind, what people find fun is entirely up to them. Complicated does not mean it will be more fun for everyone. That's what we hope the video will help provide - enough information to decide for yourself, if the game would be what you and your gaming group is looking for.
Writing on the cards?? Non-removable Stickers?? Blasphemous!!
(I know someone is going to name one of their character's Prince Poopypants, lol).
No doubt!
It's games like these that I imagine would work well with tabletop simulator for those that like to keep their items re-usable. :)
I'm going with Lucky Luke for my character.
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