Is Jay Cutler The Rightful Winner Of The 2001 Olympia?
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- As many people believe Jay Cutler is the uncrowned 2001 Mr.Olympia. Today I will place both Ronnie and Jay in a comparison using all of the poses to see once and for all who did win this event.
I feel like jay cutlers most aesthetic and best was 2001
Ronnie was a beast in 2001 .. If you judge the contest on who had the biggest hardest most balanced physique .. he wins hands down .Jay was a bit less blocky in 2001 but he was no real threat to the ultimate mass freaky mass monster that Ronnie was that year
Pro life only while 2001 may not have been the strongest year Ronnie in terms of his midsection his back (where most Mr. Olympia contests are won) biceps, quads, Lats, delts showed superior to the competition.
Aesthetics are important to the sport, but it is called bodybuilding.. so the best built man should win .
Rick3140 Carter yeah lol no real threat, he only beat coleman on the score card😂. Jay won the contest on paper until Coleman got a perfect posing round score which everyone knows is bs bc he has terrible routines.
Most aesthetic is really a relative term when it comes to Cutler.
@@Leggn0 Exactly right. Jay got robbed plain and simple.
Jay Cutler won both the prejudging and the mandatories (rounds 1 & 2), which is where all of your photo’s are from. So.... if you give it to Ronnie based on these.. you’re disagreeing with how it was judged. Meanwhile... I agree with the judges, Ronnie’s a bit too soft, watery and bloated.
When you use pictures only, it takes the transitions out of it. Ronnie looked terrible in all the transitions. I only use still photos so the results may vary. I disagree with the judges in 2002 also, I think Ronnie should have Lost that year.
@@marxmaxmuscle1 transitions in pre judging don't matter. They don't compare transitions,
Well you don't wanna be too dry otherwise you get so thirsty you just wanna drink gallons of lemonade.
Ronnie is softer,bloated, from the back?
So if you agree with the judges, so Ronnie should've won haha
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'01 was the year Cutler should've won. Nearly all the guys on stage said that. Ronnie lacked the separation and conditioning. Ronnie took all the back shots, lost all the front shots by a mile. He had some of the worst FDB and ab thigh on stage that year. Ronnie was hard trying to hide that gut and stomach the side shots and front shots were off.
Bottomline :Ronnie lost that show and IMO this was Jay's best package. He ruined his lines to get bigger and blockier to fight an even bigger Ronnie.
Your opinion
That was jay best year but Ronnie back side was too much
Jay wasn’t winning all the front shots by a mile, he wasn’t even winning all the front shots. Look at the front relaxed, Ronnie is bigger than jay in every single muscle group: bigger legs, bigger pecs, bigger delts and way bigger arms
Yep. I agree 💯 %.
Jay was never aesthetic but that night , he was dry as a bone and full. Truly his best form aside from the comeback year.
He chased size to his detriment trying to catch Ronnie.
His winning years, aside from the comeback, were never as impressive as 2001
@@deinramsey3438 not an opinion, Coleman had the worst midsection ever, if not for his GOAT back he wouldn't have won a single Olympia, and probably shouldn't have anyways.
There are back shot photo comparisons of this Olympia where Jay's glutes are smooth, but it needs to be noted that in those shots he hadn't flexed them at the instant the photo was taken. At 2:45 and 2:55 you can see he clearly has glute striations. Not as defined as Ronnie's but they are there.
His back isn't as thick and deep as Ronnie's though.
But Jay is wider
@@ethangilworth7891 Jay's shoulders are wider, but not sure about his back?
If you look at 2:50 though. there is really no comparison!! The depth of Ronnie's back is unmatched!!
@@mikthe2004 I’m talking about Jays back. To my eyes Ronnie’s lats look relatively small this year, Ronnie definitely crushes him in the back double but I prefer the look of Jay in this lat spread specifically.
If we are counting mandatories I have Ronnie winning side chest and the rear double, but I prefer the look of Jay in every other pose. His ab and thigh pose in particular was absolutely majestic this year.
Body building is a subjective sport, and if we are talking pure mass and conditioning then yeah Ronnie is definitely winning in both those categories so I see why the judges gave him the W. I like Jay better though, he just looks so damn awesome here.
@@ethangilworth7891 Jay was ahead after prejudging, so he was already judged as having the best physique. I prefer Jay too, but somehow he lost??
Glutes aren't judged. When are all the Ronnie meat riders going to get it through their heads.
3:15 no one looking like an hamburger should win. bloated gut and splitted abs
Soooo close! But Jays midsection and balanced aesthetic symetry ultimately affords him the victory over Ronnie’s protruding midsection.
yeah I agree, Ronny is too much ! I think Jay really brought it from the fron tthough! I thought the Kevin addition was superb especially seeing that 92 version, I have the dvd and now cause of your comments I look at that version totally different, I think those early Kevin's are his best! :) We all have to remember how fresh Kevin was then, he had no injuries, a bit later, in the same year he tore his pec so that's saying something...
I like Kevin the most - as "who I want to look like" and also as a competitive bodybuilder. I'm not saying he should have won 2001 Olympia, especially with today's standards of "frog like legs" and big shredded ass. But he did look great, not busy/spilled over, aesthetic and functional looking.
Jay Cutler is my favorite bodybuilder
Ronnie was a freak but still kept up with him
Ronnie looked good in 2001 underrated but jay was better but ronnie from behind was crazy in 01 go look at the video footage i did a vid on this already but goid shit bro
Mikey he looked amazing but with calf implants and glutes so big they were like Ramy’s thighs !!! It’s one thing to have shredded glutes but his ass was too big and that gut ?
Jay win in 2001
@@johnhumble4240 they didn’t really care about the gut then because Ronnie’s other body parts kind of overshadowed it
Ronnie won because he was already a Mr. Olympia and his superior back and overall fullness and muscle maturity
You can be better from the back all you like. You shouldn win when you lose all the front shots and all the side shots. Ronnie only takes 2 mandatories, (the MM was not a mandatory until 04) The judges gave Ronnie a perfect score IN THE POSING ROUND, which is an absolute joke.
@@xaviervega468bro Ron take the bls and the bdb right
Yay for Jay! And Ronnie!! What a beast!!!
Jays aesthetic did destroy Ronnie in my opinion
This ain't men's physique
@@davidreuters8509 and this is why Ronnie won.
@@thirdwave--hardunderground9085 yes
@@davidreuters8509 Jay still should have won. The only mandatories Ronnie wins are the two back shots.
@@xaviervega468 could have gone either way imo
Great clips lately. Like the wildcard third man.
Yes and Gunter in 2002
right on the money, not a word that was not true. Keeo it up Max and stay healthy :)
LIVE IS BETTER IN THE PICTURE IF U SEE LIVE RONNIE COLEMAN JUDGES IS CORRECT WHY COLEMAN IS BEASTT NO DOUBT
Stop, just stop it. Coleman is far better than everyone.
Ronnie all day
Adding Levrone is like adding whip cream on my hot chocolate. A pleasant surprise.
I never realized that Jay Cutler actually has a 10 pack. That's nuts.
9*
I feel like Jay looks more better in almost all shots.. but it's preference. I know the judges have their criteria and things of that nature..
I got into.BB too late appreciate Jay in his younger years!! Those biceps!!💪💪💪 and WOW!!! The abbs and thigh pose!!👀👀👀👀
Definitely Jay ... Too many shots in which Jay's definition was better and he was more aesthetic..ronnie gets some individual shots but the whole package was flawed. Huge legs but the separation was meh while Jay's were almost as big (and good enough to show good proportion) but the feathering etc was much, much better for Jay. The chest in general goes to Jay, as well. and the angles of the shot on side tricep wete a bit deceiving; Ronnie's tricep was more detailed but Jay's (and Kevin's) protruded much, much more, and the insertions were better. The abs are also a big determining factor to me.
I don't remember who ... I don't think it was Kevin but people used to have a dark horse pick for 2001. I have to go back and look.
"Little too smooth, monsoon!"
Ronnie's face in the front lat verse Kevin damn near pissed my self he should lose just for that Ronnie's a legend but that's got to be tied for 1 of the worst poses ever 😂😂😂
I was right infront of Ronnie 2006 what a sight😳😳😳👑👑👑👑👑👑👑👑
Ron was Biggger, just NOT better. Jay was a mix of Levrones Lean/conditioning & Ronnies size. But this was back when the judges were lazy fks just making dynasties for the Former Champ.
From the back. It was all Ronnie. Also more impressive Front Double Biceps. Ronnie still wins.
I’m also going to throw in a little BONUS I love you guys 😂
Look Phil heath have lost title just because one reason mid section so jay won that night.
Cmon guys admit the bubble guts on Ronnie should take this easily. This guys bs about ignoring the midsection is ridiculous if Marx max was a judge I dread to think of Olympia winner’s stomachs would be
jay won it. why? its simple: ronnies pregnant stomach kills him, nobody with a bubble gut can win the sandow imo.
I agree, somewhat. Bubble gut Ronnie did have, but should Jay win the sandow with soft glutes and lower back? If ronnie was soft in the back I would have no problem with jay winning, but its a debate.
@@marxmaxmuscle1 yes people will talk about it 2001 mr.o even in 2050 ;-)
@@joebananas1088 Thats the best part of BBing IMO. Bubble gut vs Soft butt! who wins? most people side with jay, but Ronnie has the sandow.
Marx Max Muscle what’s about Shawn winning it in 2018? I mean he didn’t had soft gluts but still it’s an absolute murder standing next to Phil 🤷🏽♂️ , if hams&glutes are really the main factor to judge, instead the overall flow n shape, bb would be dead for sure.
@@M.J.D.R actually Shawns glutes looked pretty good, and come now, phils gut was way worse than ronnies, plus he had that weird belly button thing.
Look at the size of the king. He's never ever been aesthetic....well maybe before 97? Some shots he looks like a literal alien. Like he's not a human being. I admit he's probably the best to ever do it. It's just that none of us would want to look like him. Looolll.
He was aesthetic in 1998 and 1999. It's only 2001 onward where he really started to blow up.
Jay
Jay had that one hands down!!!!👍🏻
JAY WAS ROBBED HERE AND gifted in 2007
its tie ronnie win back shot .jay win front shot .side tricep pose jay would win.side chest pose roonie would win .the abs is for jay.also most muscular could go either way but if jay win that jay is 2001 mr o but roonie win its tie game .they say olympia is from the back so ronnie win and there is lot of politics
Levron winner
Peaky biceps
pleaaaasssss jay 2002 arnold classic vs ronnie 2002 mr o brooo
If u look properly u will notice Ronnie does not really spread his lats...
No lol Ronnie was light years ahead than Jay stop misleading people
Ugly is good when it comes to Big Ron King Coleman
@10:18 my gods Ronnie is freakish. Like Jay looks really good. But Ronnie looks likes he's in another weight class.
On condition, Jay could have won this, Kevin imo is not in the same league as Ronnie or Jay, Ronnie for the win though all things considered.
Is it just me or Jay's arms are better than Ronnie
Ronnie had some better poses than Jay and had some better body parts (obviously) but (this is just my opinion) if you wanna come in as the mass monsters you wanna come in and just out muscle everyone you still need to be in condition but more importantly not with that bloated look. Ronnie, Dorian, Cutler they all have at least 1 Olympia where I feel they should have been 2nd if for nothing else to simply give them the message that they need to keep those guts in check. It is kinda funny that really the only Mr O to lose a Mr O because of a shocking stomach is Phil not really a mass monster
Ronnie should have lost 01 and 02. I understand why he won 04 but his gut that show had not only declared it's independece, it was colonizing other planets.
what are u looking at? 🤔 🤔 🤔
jay wins in a canter Why don't you all admit Coleman is the least aesthetic body builder in history his back looks deformed so does his abdomen he shouldn't be in the top ten
9:48 sorry, jay is too thick as usual
You can say the same about Ronnie. Stupid men are so hung up on size Jay was better period.
All day long Coleman had no calves. How can you be Mr Olympia with no calves. Cutler had him beat in 2001. Without question. Coleman from 2001 to the end of his career was sub standard. Bloated mid section and sub standard calves. This is when bodybuilding went into a major decline.
Jay won this year to me Ronnie just looked off
Jay pancake
Jay was robbed. He had the legs, Ronnie had the back.
Sorry it's not good enuff
Ronnie pregnant. JC all the way.
Cutler was totally robbed….not even close
The real victory ultimately goes to Jay simply because out of the three he seems to be the most healthy these days despite years of competitive PED use.
4:55 “Ronnie has the best triceps” 😂
Mike Schmet 5:48 I don’t think the worst ever but look at that shot, Ronnie’s tricep looks flat compared to Jay and Kevin.
I remember watching it with my friend and we both thought Cutler was the clear winner. To me it's a toss up between this and 2007 as his best condition. It really comes down to preference between Aesthetics and sheer mass.
2007? Are You on drugs?
Yeah..my mistake bro.
I think you meant 2009. 07 Jay completely robbed Victor Martinez.
I think Kevin is incredible, he was robbed. At his best he was out of this world.
Robbed of what? He looks like a mens physique competitor next to Ronnie and Jay
Robbed 😂
Sorry no he wont
The back kills everyone. Ronnie Coleman just lights out. Ronnie deserved the win in 2001.
No he didn't, he even lost the prejudging. He loses all the front shots and both side shots. Sorry but you can't win "from the back" that way. Especially when the difference was THE POSING ROUND. You're gonna seriously tell me Ronnie won the posing round with that sorry routine. Jay was robbed plain and simple.
Pretty sure the rightful winner is the person who got the trophy. Everything else is a waste of time.
Sorry, Ronnie Coleman doesn’t look like a body builder but a belly builder.
I can't get passed Cutlers waist it looks like putty! His waist always looks like putty.
jay cutler real winner
Ronnie's paper thin skin won him alot of shows if Jay only had that. Jay had such great abs but a blocky midsection and soft in the back not anything he could do about that. Cutler looked great but I don't think he beat him in enough shots or had enough better body parts
Great job. Unbiased as usual. There is the idea that the challenger must defeat the reigning champion clearly and decisively, even if by a slight margin, in order to lose to become the new champion. Cutler did not do this. If a tie, Coleman wins. Coleman deserved the win.
Ronnie all day
Jay did enough to win this quite clearly. Ronnie was off from the front quite badly. Jay looked like a blonde sculpture!
Jayt was one christmas tree away from winning that year.
The controversy comes from Jay being ahead after prejudging but some how losing at the night show. Everyone knows that the finals are just for the fans and not really judged. So how is it that Ronnie scored more points when there wasn't supposed to be anymore points awarded?
Olympias are won from the back most years. This was one. I was there and it was close for sure.😊
Judges had Jay winning in prejudging. What happened that turned it around for Ronnie? Did he come in better for the night show?
Side note - notice the bicep peaks on Cutlers RDB. They look as big as Ronnie’s.
ronnie is still better
There are, like other comments point out, interviews of competitors who said (including Jay) that Jay was winning that show hands down, and was actually more conditioned than the king Coleman.
I was at the NIGHT of Champions in 2001 when Jay arrived as a pro and won that show outright. He arrived at the Olympia clearly the best on stage.
Politically, the judges were not ready to awars Jay the title that night.
Jay was crazy diced, full, and dry as a bone.
Only his comeback is better form. Jay in 2001 was as good as it gets.
They are not even close. Anyone who thinks they are close does not have a clue. From all the compulsory poses Jay takes only one - Abdominals and thighs - that`s it in all other poses Ronnie is simply light years ahead. Plus Ronnie he has better conditioning, better symmetry ,better depth and quality. People who claim Jay is the 2001 uncrowned Olympia must have a hallucinogen persisting perception disorder of some sort.
LOL is that why Jay won the prejudging? Jay was robbed plain and simple.
Very subjective sport.
Medias should not use the term " X beats Y " in this sport .
It might look subjective, but it really is not.
For example Phil Heath has one of the best most muscular of all time. He has a better shot of that pose than Steve Kuclo.
The taste is subjective, but if bodybuilding was based on taste and not on the freak factor, the actual open would be the Men's Physique. That is the sport, because not everyone likes freaks the ifbb created the Classic Physique and the Men's Physique, while 212 is just: less bloated, freak midgets category.
Damn, Kevin was sure a force to be reckoned with
Yes & no. No way these two should have surpassed Kevin. Kevin blew too many years, chasing different looks.
Kevin should've been a Mr. O for a decade and never completed the puzzle.
Marx Max, do a Nasser El Sonbaty 1996 vs Ronnie Coleman 1999
Definitely Jay ... Too many shots in which Jay's definition was better and he was more aesthetic..ronnie gets some individual shots but the whole package was flawed. Huge legs but the separation was meh while Jay's were almost as big (and good enough to show good proportion) but the feathering etc was much, much better for Jay. The chest in general goes to Jay, as well. and the angles of the shot on side tricep wete a bit deceiving; Ronnie's tricep was more detailed but Jay's (and Kevin's) protruded much, much more, and the insertions were better. The abs are also a big determining factor to me.
I don't remember who ... I don't think it was Kevin but people used to have a dark horse pick for 2001. I have to go back and look...
It was Shawn Ray. Would have been for him to get it in his last one but idk how i feel about it. I'd have to research.
Can you give a video that's a case for Shawn Ray for 98 or 99? Whichever you think is better/closer. I know he competed well in 98 but also maybe a potential win in 99.(Or was it 96?) Or 94? God i get em mixed up because that era was so good .
I preferred Jay... Ronnie's waist was too big and through off his symmetry...
It’s not a waist competition though, Ronnie was bigger and harder and fuller in all areas.
No as good as jay was and he looked ab insane 2001, ronnie still wins, and the reason is bc ronnie is better from behind, his back is better and his hams are better, jay is alitle better imo overall from the.front but the diff between ronnie and jay from behind is more in Ronnie's favor.
Marx pronounces "pictures" and "legs" as "pitchers" and "laigs".
I'm not even going to analyze Ronnie's physique and I'm sure Jay will agree with me
Jay looked better from the front, but his back didn't help him to sealed the deal.
Ronnie won the back shots side chest and crab most muscular.He lost 3 out of 4 quarter turns also.
Using Levrone as a distraction is a joke
agreed ronnie was the rightful winner, people cherry pick that ab and thigh shot and forget there are a lot more poses to judge
@Pro life only watery was jay's back, not a single cut or separation, oh but jay had prettier abs so he should've won right????
ronnie won easily, it's sad this pandemic will prevent you from getting your eyes checked
@Pro life only look at the back poses, tell me with a straight face ronnie's back isn't significantly better, heck kevin's back is much better than jay's and he was never known for his back
a black man beat a white blond guy because he's black? BWAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA
@Pro life only things don't go your way... play the race card HAHAHAA
@Pro life only here's are facts
jay's back looked like shit and was tiny compared to ronnie, jay lost to ronnie
so as you said the facts don't care about YOUR feelings, play the race card when you know you have no argyment, politics "favored" the incoherent black guy instead of blond haired blue eyed white guy HAHAHAHAHAHA
@Pro life only i'm no sjw snowflake that takes the black side no matter what, saying jay lost to ronnie due to politics is complete lunacy
jay was more disgusting, watery back and refrigerator build he has the worst aesthetics of any olympia champ, worst mr. o ever only won when ronnie got hurt and phil wasn't in his prime
jay has zero argument being a better bodybuilder than ronnie he has smaller size, worst conditioning, worst symmetry and even less aesthetics, heck even jay admits ronnie is the goat how many top pros have to admit it before you do? you really think you know better than the guys that competed with him? you are a lunatic to think that
you only prefer jay because he is white, being white doesn't make him a better bodybuilder sorry the facts are greater than your racist feelings
It’s probably just me but I was never a fan of Jays back
bro u sound like hagrid
Hell no he did not..
Ronnie win clear
4:16 a bodybuilder on the left and a frog in the right
Jay had rock hard conditioning , Ronnie was bloated and had a problem with his gut. Jay had a aesthetic and compete physique. My opinion.
I agree with that opinion. Jay should have won the show. And I prefer Ronnie overall, but he didn't have it this night. This win was a gift.
@@xaviervega468 I agree
Rock hard conditioning with soft glutes gahahahahaa nice one