4xtrail i was recently on the market order this ones and then found you video and made me feel just more secure but, im not clear did you say yours are 10 ply or 3ply on the wall ? Are the ones you got D load or E load?
@@4XTRAIL thanks brother , i got them on the truck and probably put 600 miles on them already,absolutely love them the quietest m/t i ever try on the highway and grip on mud i just amazing..
Milestar recommends running stock tires pressures on the road for their Milestar Patagonias. So for a Jeep that is 35 psi. If you run it at 25 on the highway, you are going to end up with uneven wear even with rotating the tires every 3-3.5k miles. The reason is it is a domed tire, designed to run on the center treads (mainly) when on the highway. If you run it at 25 psi, you are forcing the domed tire to run like a flat-tread tire. This pushes the rubber and treads into bearing weigh and road mileage in a way it is not designed to. I have these tires (about 9k on mine) and they are wearing perfectly evenly and look like they are going to last around 40-45k miles. I bought them hoping for 35k. You can check with Milestar and they will tell you the same thing. Milestar actually contacted LiteBrite because LiteBrite was running too low a tire pressure and warned them. LiteBrite made an excellent video regarding this.
This is good info! I have since swapped out these tires but you are spot on with Milestar's PSI recommendation. I was not aware of that at the time of making this video. Thanks for sharing!
Procomp Series 69 17x9 rim from eBay! Link in the description for the tires if interested. I will say make sure to research proper psi for these tires. I’m still not sure I know the best pressure to run them at. Currently around 33 and they seem happy. Had some uneven wear develop around 7k miles I think due to under inflation on highway. Otherwise I love them. Still relatively quiet even with some uneven wear.
No, they are really BAD on wet pavement traction as are nearly all crown riding tires. Ugh, how much did Patagonia pay you to say, "but more impressively wet pavement the traction is equally good, it is really, really impressive." I have these on my 2018 JLU and they are really bad on wet as says everyone else. You even said they were equally as good as dry pavement. You are going to cause someone to have an accident with that level of bad information.
Hey Johnny! Thanks for watching and for sharing your concern. I will state the obvious and say everyone’s safety is their own responsibility and should be taken seriously. To suggest someone would be in danger after watching this video is a little far-fetched. This was my honest, unsponsored review of tires that I purchased myself. This was just an initial review which, as many know, is not as thorough as a long-term review. After running these tires for about 25,000 miles I have more experience with and thoughts about them, not all positive. Planning to release that content in a future video.
I liked these Milestar Patagonia 37s so well on my 2016 Powerwagon, pulling heavy 4,800 lb dump trailer with 8,300 lb excavator, that i put 265 85 16s on my 2002 f150 and man i just love them. Bummer is that the prices are already inching up since i bought my 2 sets.
Taking wife out to dinner and having a conversation on way- straightaway I can trust you mate because you are a rarity these days. Whilst I think like you my wife doesn't subscribe to those romantic gestures being a typical country farm woman. But hey terrific review as well- things ordinary people would like to hear not experts. Here in Australia a lot of reviews are cash for comments.
Hey Felix, I'm sorry for some reason your comment disappeared as I was writing a reply. But you asked some great questions and I'm glad you enjoyed the video! Here's my response: I'm running a 2.5" Teraflex suspension lift and my overall height w/hardtop on is 74 1/4". My garage door is 83" so based on your setup and garage door height I would imagine you'd still have a few inches to spare if you decided to run these 37s! All the best.
I run Dynapro MT2's on my Jeep Wrangler JL. I was almost gonna get the Milestar tires but so far those 33's I have on it do really well in the snow in Montana and yes, its a daily driver and my off roader.
@@4XTRAIL I’m currently running 4.56 and 35” Pats on my 2015 JKU and turn 2700 rpm at 70. Was just wondering what it would be making the jump to 37s. Our gearing is different though.
I only see the 37's with RAISED WHITE LETTERING. Do these have a reverse side with black lettering? Or did you get an older version of this tire? Thanks in advance for your time.
DYAUS Mine have white lettering on one side (the inside) I’m guessing they all come with both a black and white lettering side so you can choose which you prefer.
What should I run my 33s on 20in rims at for psi. My factory were a hair smaller and called for 40psi. This is my first time getting a mud tire so just want the smoothest ride I can and what is the best pattern to rotate them
Chelsea Hunt Good questions. For that tire/wheel size I’d stay pretty close to factory PSI. I’ve tried a few different PSIs on mine and I actually think I ran them too low at first because I’ve developed some uneven tread wear. I’d start within 5psi of factory and adjust from there as needed. For rotation: if you google “5 tire rotation Morris Jeep” there’s a picture of a blue wrangler with red arrows showing where each tire goes in rotation. That’s the picture I use. Take care!
Where did you purchase these? And I run a 33x12.50x17 can't seem to find that size. But find a 305/70/17 on the wal mart site and about every other place.. your thoughts on the sizes and if so address to where you purchased them.. thanks
Hey vgrottweilers.com, great question. I know these come in a variety of sizes and the 305/70/17 should be pretty close to 33x12.5. Tiresize.com is helpful for figuring out tire sizes/labeling. I purchased my Patagonias from northridge4x4.com and they were great to work with. Note that these also come in a "black label" version which are for off-road use only and much more expensive. They look nearly identical, I believe just the tire compound is different.
Hey Ethan! I'm running Procomp Series 69 wheels in a 17x9. I bedlined them because I wasn't a fan of the factory finish but otherwise I love them. I need to do a proper review of them because they are a great value IMO. I will say when I jumped to 37s even though these wheels have a decent offset, my front tires rubbed very slightly on my frame at full lock so I am currently running Teraflex 1.25" wheel adapters.
Milestar says on their Jeep Facebook page that you have to run OEM psi to prevent irregular wear. You're going to possibly get lug chop by running 25 psi.
I'm also running 30 psi on my 38s. I was running 34 psi, but the kinetic energy led to a bouncing sensation - especially at hwy speeds that didn't feel safe. I'm lifted 4.5" rear and 6.0" front using an EVO lift and Daystar coil correction pads on my JT Rubicon. Keep up the good work.
Mine lasted 25k before they were too unevenly worn to be daily driven. That’s due to me not running high enough psi though, if you run 36-38psi these should be good for 40k miles I’d guess? Working on a full review video of these tires soon.
About 20k on them now and they aren’t wearing in very even. Still relatively quiet on road and perform well off but coming up to stops they are rough on road. Not sure if this was due to me trying different PSIs early on trying to find the “sweet spot” (33psi btw) or the fault of the tire. We’ll see how they hold up from here. About 40% tread left.
Does it matter which way the tires are mounted? I just installed my set and they sound a loud at 65-70mph. Thinking maybe i installed them the wrong way. What do you think? Side walls are different inside and out. Mine are installed opposite of yours
drazza94 Hey, these are non-directional and also do not have a “this side out” marking so you should be fine with either side out (white or black letter). What PSI are you running and have you had the vehicle aligned lately?
4XTRAIL my 2020 ram rebel calls for 55psi front and 45psi in the rear. Im running them a bit higher at 63 front and 53 rear as im trying to target the center rib while driving. Do you think i need more air maybe to force them to ride more on the center and less on the sides?
@@drazza94 Are they factory size or larger? That PSI seems very high. The larger the tire you run the lower PSI you need. I'm running my 37s at 25PSI on the road and 15PSI for off-road use.
That’s not a lot bigger than factory but I would try around 35psi for on road. Anytime you go up in size the factory numbers are no longer relevant. Factory psi numbers are for factory sizes only. At least in my experience! Hopefully that helps!
Psychopath96 yeah I just remeasured and they’re actually 35 3/4” hey that extra quarter inch means something! The rear measures closer to 36” probably because of the weight distribution of the vehicle. Hope that helps!
4XTRAIL yea tires always compress with the curb weight of the vehicle so you may lose an inch or so depending on the weight of the vehicle , the 40s I’ve researched a lot say that they are 82.5 lbs which are much more lighter than my nitto mud grapplers which are 100 lbs seems the compound on the Milestar are lighter
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4xtrail i was recently on the market order this ones and then found you video and made me feel just more secure but, im not clear did you say yours are 10 ply or 3ply on the wall ?
Are the ones you got D load or E load?
@@Terrifier1984 Apologies, since this was a reply to my pinned comment I didn’t notice it until now! Mine are 3-ply sidewall load range D.
@@4XTRAIL thanks brother , i got them on the truck and probably put 600 miles on them already,absolutely love them the quietest m/t i ever try on the highway and grip on mud i just amazing..
@@Terrifier1984 glad to hear! 👊🏼
Milestar recommends running stock tires pressures on the road for their Milestar Patagonias. So for a Jeep that is 35 psi. If you run it at 25 on the highway, you are going to end up with uneven wear even with rotating the tires every 3-3.5k miles. The reason is it is a domed tire, designed to run on the center treads (mainly) when on the highway. If you run it at 25 psi, you are forcing the domed tire to run like a flat-tread tire. This pushes the rubber and treads into bearing weigh and road mileage in a way it is not designed to. I have these tires (about 9k on mine) and they are wearing perfectly evenly and look like they are going to last around 40-45k miles. I bought them hoping for 35k. You can check with Milestar and they will tell you the same thing. Milestar actually contacted LiteBrite because LiteBrite was running too low a tire pressure and warned them. LiteBrite made an excellent video regarding this.
This is good info! I have since swapped out these tires but you are spot on with Milestar's PSI recommendation. I was not aware of that at the time of making this video. Thanks for sharing!
I have 37’s looking into getting this tire. What type of rims are you running and where did you purchase at? Thanks!
Procomp Series 69 17x9 rim from eBay! Link in the description for the tires if interested.
I will say make sure to research proper psi for these tires. I’m still not sure I know the best pressure to run them at. Currently around 33 and they seem happy. Had some uneven wear develop around 7k miles I think due to under inflation on highway. Otherwise I love them. Still relatively quiet even with some uneven wear.
@@4XTRAIL Thanks brother! 🤙🏽
I think you misspoke when you said "upgrading" over the Ridge Grapplers and MT's ....Milestars are much less expensive no?
Ha I think I meant upgrade in terms of size (from 35 to 37) but yeah, Nittos are top notch for sure.
do you have lift? if so how many inches and liftkit setup? I'm trying to run 38s
All those questions and more answered in this video: ruclips.net/video/HOn01NJ85C8/видео.html I think this will help you! 👊🏼
No, they are really BAD on wet pavement traction as are nearly all crown riding tires. Ugh, how much did Patagonia pay you to say, "but more impressively wet pavement the traction is equally good, it is really, really impressive." I have these on my 2018 JLU and they are really bad on wet as says everyone else. You even said they were equally as good as dry pavement. You are going to cause someone to have an accident with that level of bad information.
Hey Johnny! Thanks for watching and for sharing your concern. I will state the obvious and say everyone’s safety is their own responsibility and should be taken seriously. To suggest someone would be in danger after watching this video is a little far-fetched. This was my honest, unsponsored review of tires that I purchased myself. This was just an initial review which, as many know, is not as thorough as a long-term review. After running these tires for about 25,000 miles I have more experience with and thoughts about them, not all positive. Planning to release that content in a future video.
Love the low center of gravity on this wrangler, 37s and 2.5 inch lift is money with flat fenders
Thanks Dakota, had to trim back the pinch seams a little but no rubbing at full-stuff!
I liked these Milestar Patagonia 37s so well on my 2016 Powerwagon, pulling heavy 4,800 lb dump trailer with 8,300 lb excavator, that i put 265 85 16s on my 2002 f150 and man i just love them. Bummer is that the prices are already inching up since i bought my 2 sets.
Good to hear they work well in towing scenarios too. Thanks for the comment!
It’s really not a true mud tire, when you compare with mt, nitto or toyo
Taking wife out to dinner and having a conversation on way- straightaway I can trust you mate because you are a rarity these days. Whilst I think like you my wife doesn't subscribe to those romantic gestures being a typical country farm woman. But hey terrific review as well- things ordinary people would like to hear not experts. Here in Australia a lot of reviews are cash for comments.
Appreciate the comment bro! Right on 👊🏼
Hey Felix, I'm sorry for some reason your comment disappeared as I was writing a reply. But you asked some great questions and I'm glad you enjoyed the video! Here's my response: I'm running a 2.5" Teraflex suspension lift and my overall height w/hardtop on is 74 1/4". My garage door is 83" so based on your setup and garage door height I would imagine you'd still have a few inches to spare if you decided to run these 37s! All the best.
Thanks dude, these will be delivered tomorrow!
What about off set chipping up paint with rocks
Hasn’t been an issue for me and haven’t noticed any but my rig has plenty of pin striping and trail rash so I may not be the best person to ask lol
How does the road noise compare with the Nitto Ridge Grapplers you said you had previously?
Noise levels are very comparable to the Nittos so far. Good question.
I run Dynapro MT2's on my Jeep Wrangler JL. I was almost gonna get the Milestar tires but so far those 33's I have on it do really well in the snow in Montana and yes, its a daily driver and my off roader.
That’s awesome! Thanks for the comment 👊🏼
You said you beefed up the front axle. Are you running a D30 or D44? What did you add? Thanks in advance!!
Hey! Check out this video I did on running 37s for a full answer to your question. Take care! ruclips.net/video/HOn01NJ85C8/видео.html
What gears are you running with your 37s and what rpm are you turning at 70 mph? Thinking of making the jump from 35 to 37s.
I’m running 4:88s and I don’t drive on the highway every day but from what I recall I turn around 3k rpm @ 70 🤙🏼
@@4XTRAIL I’m currently running 4.56 and 35” Pats on my 2015 JKU and turn 2700 rpm at 70. Was just wondering what it would be making the jump to 37s. Our gearing is different though.
Love the video tires and wheels looks monster and what bumper is that.
Thanks! Front bumper is Rugged Ridge HD Stubby - here’s my review on it: ruclips.net/video/NeFNgK3qZc4/видео.html Appreciate the comment!
I only see the 37's with RAISED WHITE LETTERING. Do these have a reverse side with black lettering? Or did you get an older version of this tire? Thanks in advance for your time.
DYAUS Mine have white lettering on one side (the inside) I’m guessing they all come with both a black and white lettering side so you can choose which you prefer.
@@4XTRAIL thanks for the response! Exactly what I wanted to know!
What should I run my 33s on 20in rims at for psi. My factory were a hair smaller and called for 40psi. This is my first time getting a mud tire so just want the smoothest ride I can and what is the best pattern to rotate them
Chelsea Hunt Good questions. For that tire/wheel size I’d stay pretty close to factory PSI. I’ve tried a few different PSIs on mine and I actually think I ran them too low at first because I’ve developed some uneven tread wear. I’d start within 5psi of factory and adjust from there as needed. For rotation: if you google “5 tire rotation Morris Jeep” there’s a picture of a blue wrangler with red arrows showing where each tire goes in rotation. That’s the picture I use. Take care!
Just ordered some 35's for my TJ. Looking into driving it more often. Adios Parneli Jones, hello Milestar.
Awesome!
Keep saying 37 and how light it is but its a 35 ish
Mine measure out at 36.25” in real world - definitely not a true 37!
Where did you purchase these? And I run a 33x12.50x17 can't seem to find that size. But find a 305/70/17 on the wal mart site and about every other place.. your thoughts on the sizes and if so address to where you purchased them.. thanks
Hey vgrottweilers.com, great question. I know these come in a variety of sizes and the 305/70/17 should be pretty close to 33x12.5. Tiresize.com is helpful for figuring out tire sizes/labeling. I purchased my Patagonias from northridge4x4.com and they were great to work with. Note that these also come in a "black label" version which are for off-road use only and much more expensive. They look nearly identical, I believe just the tire compound is different.
Custom offset is where I ordered mine. For 35s I paid like 850$
what kind of rims are you running? really considering getting the 37-M/Ts but still deciding which rims would look best with my rig. Thanks!
Hey Ethan! I'm running Procomp Series 69 wheels in a 17x9. I bedlined them because I wasn't a fan of the factory finish but otherwise I love them. I need to do a proper review of them because they are a great value IMO. I will say when I jumped to 37s even though these wheels have a decent offset, my front tires rubbed very slightly on my frame at full lock so I am currently running Teraflex 1.25" wheel adapters.
@@4XTRAIL awesome, thank you for the response! looking forward to more videos :)
Milestar says on their Jeep Facebook page that you have to run OEM psi to prevent irregular wear. You're going to possibly get lug chop by running 25 psi.
BAJA GLADIATOR Thanks for the tip! I’ll keep that in mind. Since this video I’ve tried some different PSIs. Currently sitting at 30 for daily driving.
I'm also running 30 psi on my 38s. I was running 34 psi, but the kinetic energy led to a bouncing sensation - especially at hwy speeds that didn't feel safe. I'm lifted 4.5" rear and 6.0" front using an EVO lift and Daystar coil correction pads on my JT Rubicon. Keep up the good work.
Great video! What’s the fender flares you’ve got?
A. Fard Thanks! The flares are just the factory ones that I trimmed w/a dremel and added adhesive door trim to the edge so it looks “finished”.
Hey great video! What did you do to your front end to withstand the abuse of a 37" tire???
Eddie Wilson I actually made a video detailing just that! ruclips.net/video/HOn01NJ85C8/видео.html
Where are they made? China?
Mine say Indonesia.
Do you know about how many miles these tires will be good till?
Mine lasted 25k before they were too unevenly worn to be daily driven. That’s due to me not running high enough psi though, if you run 36-38psi these should be good for 40k miles I’d guess? Working on a full review video of these tires soon.
@@4XTRAIL ok thank you I bought them!!
Hope they are great for you! They are phenomenal off road.
Any update on the wear of your Milestars?
About 20k on them now and they aren’t wearing in very even. Still relatively quiet on road and perform well off but coming up to stops they are rough on road. Not sure if this was due to me trying different PSIs early on trying to find the “sweet spot” (33psi btw) or the fault of the tire. We’ll see how they hold up from here. About 40% tread left.
@@4XTRAIL I think you are supposed to run these tires more close to stock PSI rather than what you run a typical MT.
@@miked2560 you’re right! I believe 36-38 is what Milestar recommends.
Does it matter which way the tires are mounted? I just installed my set and they sound a loud at 65-70mph. Thinking maybe i installed them the wrong way. What do you think? Side walls are different inside and out. Mine are installed opposite of yours
drazza94 Hey, these are non-directional and also do not have a “this side out” marking so you should be fine with either side out (white or black letter). What PSI are you running and have you had the vehicle aligned lately?
4XTRAIL my 2020 ram rebel calls for 55psi front and 45psi in the rear. Im running them a bit higher at 63 front and 53 rear as im trying to target the center rib while driving. Do you think i need more air maybe to force them to ride more on the center and less on the sides?
@@drazza94 Are they factory size or larger? That PSI seems very high. The larger the tire you run the lower PSI you need. I'm running my 37s at 25PSI on the road and 15PSI for off-road use.
4XTRAIL factory size was 33x12 im running 34x12.5 now. And thats what the rebels calls for as far as tire pressure goes. 55 front 45 rear
That’s not a lot bigger than factory but I would try around 35psi for on road. Anytime you go up in size the factory numbers are no longer relevant. Factory psi numbers are for factory sizes only. At least in my experience! Hopefully that helps!
What wheels are those?
Jonathan Burke Hey, they are Procomp Series 69 in 17x9. They’ve been solid for me so far.
4XTRAIL thanks man, they should look good on my FJ
Are these true to size ? I’m planning on getting set of 40x13.5r17 for my raptor
Psychopath96 Hey! No, these are not “true 37s” the real world height once aired up to 25psi and mounted on the vehicle under load is about 35.5”.
4XTRAIL wow lower than expected
Psychopath96 yeah I just remeasured and they’re actually 35 3/4” hey that extra quarter inch means something! The rear measures closer to 36” probably because of the weight distribution of the vehicle. Hope that helps!
4XTRAIL yea tires always compress with the curb weight of the vehicle so you may lose an inch or so depending on the weight of the vehicle , the 40s I’ve researched a lot say that they are 82.5 lbs which are much more lighter than my nitto mud grapplers which are 100 lbs seems the compound on the Milestar are lighter