Hey folks! I want to add some context in the interest of clarity. As far as big offroad tires are concerned, these are what I've used in the past. 39" irocs, 40" pro comp MT2s, 40" maxxis razrs, 39" BFG red labels, 39" bfg KM3s, 37" bfg KM3s, 39" KO2s and these 38" Milestar Patagonias. Most of the other tires I have ran were 36" and smaller, like my super swamper boggers, TSLs, wild county's, kumos ATs, Procomp ATs, and a couple sets of good year ats. I even ran the original BFG mt for a year in 2006 and a couple other no name MTs before that. My thoughts on these Milestars are flavored by my experience with these multiple brands and like you, I ran many of these for years. The only blow outs I had in the last 18 or so years of wheeling was the TSLs and these Patagonia Black labels. I treat all these tires with the same amount of abuse and run low tire pressure on everything. But these reviews don't come from a place of thinking I'm an expert. I get asked questions about my tires everyday so I'm simply sharing my honest experience to answer some of your questions. I hope you enjoy these videos! Tires are definitely one of the most important parts of an offroad rig so choose wisely and do lots of research!
non black label 35s, blew a hole in a sidewall. guess I touched a rock under the mud spinning the tire at a whopping 15 mph. the sidewall is mind blowing thin. I’m not worried about it in the rocks, it’s when you need the wheel speed in the mud if it touches anything it’s game over. I’m very interested to try the mt 02 and see if it holds up.
def the tire I can't wait to get ahold of myself is the Maxxis trepador one of these days I will own either a 37 or 40 in them and I can't get enough of seeing people use them and want to know more about them. I don't live in WA anymore I live in Missouri about 40 minutes away from flat nasty orv park so I will have plenty of wheeling opportunities coming up after I finish my zj build
I have ran tel 42” swampers probably my favorite tire on 79 Ramcharger, just swapped out my Patagonia for At. , no bead lockers for me, to be fair the Patagonia were not 15” wide like my swamper were, but like swampers both are loud on highway,
We use Pro Comp Xtreme M/T, currently 35” and it is a amazing tire in all conditions, mud, snow, sand, rock, dirt, highway. We use them all year around here in Ontario, Canada. We have 38,000 kms on them with no issues, also the wear on them, they still look new. Would like to see your review on them.
The selling point of these tires was the price. They used to be great performing tires at a cheap price. Fast forward to 2022 and now they are the same price or more than name brand tires like BFG. My next set of tires coming up will not be Patagonias again. 3 years ago my Patagonia’s were like $800 for a set of 37s, now they are like $1800. So at that price my next set of tires will probably be BFG or cooper.
@@timking2194 my buddy bought a set of 31s for his yota for 500 2 years ago, went to go get a new set- 1400, so he spent the extra 600 and got some 37"mts and rims
I also purchased the Pats for the price. I got five 35s for $900. I'll be replacing them soon, and an identical set will cost me nearly $1500. Add another hundred or two and I'll have BFGs that will last far longer that the 20-25k I will get with these. No reason to use the Pats at their current price point.
I have had my milestars for a few years now. I bought them right before they got popular. I absolutely hate them. I can't wait to get rid of them. There and okay hybrid tire. If it's a daily driver weekend wheeler but. I wheel in the Pennsylvania mass And new Hampshire area and I have no traction. Obstacles that my buddies would walk up I would have to winch up. The slightest moisture and I'm pretty much done for the day. I have a video of my jeep jk in NH sitting double locked in 4 low aired down to about 8-10 psi. Just spinning on I was able to get out of my jeep and take the video. With the jeep in gear just spinning. I had to have my buddy pull me out. They are horrible with any type of mud. Definitely would not be buying again. Nate let me know if you want the video I would gladly send it to yoy
Do a review on the cooper SST pros. They are also a lighter tire. I always worry about the sidewalls on lighter tires, but I love to keep the weight off of my rig too.
My favorite MT so far. I work in the tire industry and have the chance to try out different tires and they tend to be lighter than everything else like you said and for how aggressive they are they actually drive great and grabbed everything for me in different vehicles for different terrain.
I've had two sets of their regular mud terrains with no issues at all. That's interesting to hear the issues with the black labels. I would love to see you test out some MT Baja Boss Mt's, I think those will be my next tire.
I have the Baja Boss MTs in 37x12.5x17. Love them so far. Great off-road and the on-road noise is fine. 34 PSI seems to be a sweet spot in terms of pressure. Even 32 psi if you want a smooth ride on the road and over highway seams. All that said I would like to see a review of them going through lots of different terrain.
I run the MT MTz in 35x12.5 and I love them as well. I have done snow, mud, sand and rock with them and am almost embarrassed to admit I have never aired them down. They did great at full pressure.
Big fan of Mickey Thompson rubbers!! Currently running a set of 37/13.5/r22 Baja ATZs and they are by far my new favorite tire. I've run most of them, Toyo, BFG, Nitto, maxxis...
The general grabber x3 would be cool to see your opinion on, I like them so far and have had them for a year, e rated and 265/70/17 on the same method wheels as your Tacoma even and love the bead grip wheels
Yokohama Geolander MT G003 tires are a lighter weight option also Mickey Thompson Baja Boss MT tires would be interesting to get your thoughts on these as well.
I had them on my daily driver 2010 Avalanche. They were 285/70/17s with e load rating. I used my truck for work while I was a utility locator for a pipeline company around Houston so I was off-road literally everyday. I never had sidewall issues but my two complaints would be tread life and mud traction. I went through a set of tires every 12-18 months and had much better luck with my Toyo Open Country MTs, although they were twice the price
......So the question would be with them , as a daily driver, ...."is what type of yearly (annual") mileage were you getting" ? I ask because out west, 'heat checking' is a real problem Ran BFG AT's and never got more than 45,000 due to sidewall cracking. This made them to unsafe for highway use. The tread was getting marginal, but they did last about 3 years a set. As a price point, if I can get 25,000 out of a set, them i think i am ahead.
I have a set of 285/70/17 that I originally put on my sequoia for a month long road trip from NC all the way to CA so they seen some pretty different conditions along the way. Half of the trip was mainly on the highway, the other half was spent in dry desert conditions to snow covered mountain ranges. All of this was done pulling a 7,000lb trailer most of the time so of course I got stuck and had to be pulled out of different situations but this wasn’t due to the performance of the tires but more or less that I was pulling a heavy trailer off the beating path lol. When I got back home I threw them on my Rebel that I use strictly for landscaping work and pulling trailer to see how they would hold up. Needless to say, the tread life has been horrible but again I am using them outside of their intended purpose.
The weak sidewalls of Patagonia MTs are not exclusive to the Black Labels. Milestars are only 3 ply - where a Cooper is 8 or 10 ply. This is part of the reason they are so much cheaper than other brands. On the East Coast these tires do not hold up well in wet, muddy terrain we have. They get caked up with mud, don’t clear the treads well, and thus loose a lot of traction. Overtime they don’t wear evenly causing the treads to cup and make a lot of road noise. The Milestar tires are trash don’t let anyone else convince you otherwise. They only got popular because of Kevin and Brittany Williams (who got them for severely less than the average consumer), and they don’t even use them anymore, because they are trash tires. Save your money and buy a better tire. Save money in your build elsewhere.
I watch a lot of RUclips, so I’m basically an expert. What I’ve seen, is that the Milestar tires do great on a lot of different terrain. The only time they seem to fall on their face is indeed that “east coast” terrain where you have mud and slick (like actually slick, not Moab slick) rock where you need some wheel speed. Nitto Trail Grapplers do much better.
I had Milestar Patagonia M/T 35’s for two years no issues. Now I have a set of 38’s for about 6 months. They have preformed great. My rig is only used for wheeling and I wheel pretty hard. But the tires do get some gnarly chunks taken out of them pretty easily. But it hasn’t caused any sidewall issues thus far.
I love to see a long term review of the bead grip wheels too. Is it more of a marketing gimmick or does it really help when aired down. I want the advantages of a beadlock when aired down but don’t want all the hassle of the mounting and dismounting.
I bought a set, haven't been able to get them on yet (waiting on the lift, damn delays). However the shop that mounted them said they were a bit more difficult to mount than regular wheels, so take that for what it's worth.
I have the same set as Nate on my jeep. I run 8psi every ride with 37” KM3s and have had zero issues. I also have bead grips on my RZR and run them at 7psi in the dunes no problem. The tire shop had a hell of a time mounting the rzr tires though. I think that was their first experience with the bead grips.
Just to paly 'Devils Advocate'.. 40 years off road, running as low as 2 psi, never owned beadlock wheels, never will... Only once, and it was more my fault than the tire's/wheel's fault due to a heavy pedal and steering being applied I got sand in the bead. Never have had one come off, and I've done a lot of the trails in CO and UT. Typically the beadlock on modern wheels is pretty good at keeping the tire on. Now if you like to drift with all the ponies engaged, beadlocks may be worth it. Drive like grandpa on a sunday drive, I think they are a waste of money.
I have had two sets of patagonias. Wheeling in AZ I never cut a side wall, but I the chunking was really bad and this year at EJS I somehow ripped an entire tread block off the tire.
@@travispinkerton9916 I have Mickey Thompsons and they are shredded for several reasons. Even have chunks of sidewall missing. But, as long as they still hold air it's all good!
I've never ran them but all my friends have because of the price. They've had the regular and the black labels and have had blowouts on the side and in one trip we had multiple blowouts on fairly new tires. They will never run those tires ever again. I was on the Rubicon with a brand new set on my vehicle and passed a guy who just put on a brand new set and had a sidewall go out on a 40. I had a pair of Nittos 40s that had 30% tread life left and if you look at them they're sliced and diced chunks missing never had one leak never had one blow out. I've also ran Coopers, BFGs and never had these issues. I think it all comes down to this- there's only so much rubber and technology you can put in that price point. One thing I will say is they are excellent in the snow because they fold over so easy you can run crazy low pressures however I would never run them I want to be able to rely on my tires not have to worry all the time about cutting a sidewall or having extreme blowout on the freeway.
I had a set of 35 inch patagonias, i loved them for the most part, great on the trails we have around here (north east) did have some issues with the wear pattern, im pretty anal about tire pressures and tread wear. I just couldnt seem to get it right with them so they did have some minor unevenness. But for the price of them i wouldnt complain. Ill most likely be buying a set of 37s once my current tires get worn out
as far as my looking around goes they are on the cheaper end but mainly liked because their the lightest for the size. Im no expert or anything but I've only seen a few others MT that have 37x12.5 instead of 13.5 so with the width and weight it's liked for light trucks. I assume the weight savings is 100% side wide . easier on drive train less bullet proof.
I've had my non black labels down to 7psi on snow/ice and I could creep down a slope that everyone else slid down. So I'm a big believer of these in the snow!
Nate, be cool to see what you’ve thought of those method bead grips so far. I’ve taken mine down to 2-3psi in the snow w 40in pro comps, haven’t had a chance to get in rocks though
I'm on my third set of that same tire. My build started out with 31s and I wore them about 60% then I went to 33's and I wore them about 70%. Now I'm on the 35s of the same tire you have. And everywhere I go in the Black Hills snow and rock and everything else I absolutely love them. I've even had my 33s wrapped clear up around the wheel and even over the valve stem and never had any damage
well this is disappointing, ive got fairly new black labels, just checked where yours says MT02, mine are not must've been the last of the crap run, mine has a small slice and small chunk out of the tread, I'VE RAN ONE TRAIL ON THIS POS, literally a shakedown trail not even rocks basically a little more than a bumpy dirt road. even before this disappointing news i was pretty sure i'd buy something different next time. now i definitely do not recommend.
I am on the pit crew for a 4800 Ultra4 KOH car. We run these in 37". We have had 1 flat in 3 years of racing KOH. I guess any tire can have issues, but KOH is brutal, and we have had great success!
Not sure if you can still get them, RoadOne Caverly M/T. I have 40k miles one mine now 2018 JLU, Mostly road miles but seem to work very well off road as well. only issue i have with them is they are directional.
My problem with them is they’ve went from being cheap to the same price as their better, use to be more expensive, counterparts. (When I say “better” I’m talking in terms of wear, as I do a lot of highway and commute driving on pavement and hit the trails on the weekend, it seams these wear a lot faster then something like Falken at3’s, and they are now, atleast in my area and what I can purchase them for online, in the ball park of the same price range.)
I would be interested in hearing what the manufacturer says about airing down so low , don't get me wrong I get it ,the whole air down thing .i would think air down abusing the tire the way you guys do on the trail has to weaken the side wall over time and abuse . My father always told me if you want a play you gonna pay. I would thank God for the following you have built and the platform you get for the freebies from the manufacturer s. Guys like me only wish for the thing you get to do everyday God BLESS THERE ISAID IT
I’d love to see an independent review on the icon rebound pro wheels. I just put a set on my Jeep, haven’t wheeled it yet though. Hoping to sometime this year. I put Mickey Thompson Baja Boss m/t’s on it. 37s
Good info and your right... tires are just tough to rate for all the reasons that you stated. But that being said... you asked... what Goodyear do you have experience with and how do you rate the Goodyear line up ? Along with Mickey Thompson tires ? I grew up in Eastern Washington and those were the go to brand [in the 70's]... and then we used Goodyear farm implement tires lol... not a lot to choose from back then. Now I am living in the south and Nitto seems to be the go to brand... lots of red clay ... but they howl and don't last on pavement and wet rain on the road can make hard big tread mud tires like skates on ice... Again goes to your point on how difficult it truly is to have a "do all" tire.
Everyone I know who had them got rid of them because of the sidewall failures. I run Nitto Trail Grapplers since 2016 and I have some really bad cuts on those old tires and they still hold air.
I have a set on my MJ Comanche. These were on before I bought it. I absolutely despise them. They are loud on the highway, and don't do any east coast wheeling well at all. My group of friends walk most obstacles I have issues on. Will be upgrading to some STT pros or Falkens soon.
I love my cooper discovery stt pro I haven't done any crawling but an medium trails never had to even air down and had no issues (37x13.5 r18) also have a set of 33x10 r18 that I used to run until my 37s and never had a complaint been driving on them for 1.5 years so far and the thread is still at 60% (daily driven)
I live in snow county drive in it every day if the winter . It’s not cold snow it’s warm snow much harder to get a tire to work in . I have bead locks and run single digits in pressure and about 15 psi on the hwy on ice and snow. I have always ran bfg ko in 37 inch tires I switched to Patagonia and they did not last one winter from the wear and the extra heat that is generated from running lower air pressure. Went straight back to ko2 now on 39 . They are a much better tire and will out last 3 sets of milestars . They also rock crawl better than Most . They just suck in mud. Bfg for the win .
Since the black wall is their competition tire, is it possible they are using a slightly weaker sidewall in favor of a bit more "bounce/flex". Considering a lot of the big events include long high speed desert runs, that could make sense. I would love to see you run some Nexen Rodian MTX tires at some point. I hear great things from other Jeep shows regarding their on road performance, long life, and comfort on more mild off roading. Would love to hear what a more extreme off roader thinks, particularly for rock crawling performance/durability.
A friend of mine picked up a buggy with a set of black labels. They ABSOLUTELY SUCK! He got denied on damn near EVERY obstacle that I walked with my reds. It was painful watching him struggle all weekend. This was at SMORR. They might be fine out west but where we wheel, no thanks.
I mean, you really cant be surprised, the mile pattys are the walmart/pep boys special. budget tires, like the OG difinity Dakotas from pep boys. had a buddy rip the same size hole in the sidewall from a root with his old dakotas
I know you used to run the maxxis razr mt’s (or still do). In your opinion which is better from a daily driver stand point who doesn’t wheel hard? Also which is better in the snow?
I’ve had great experience so far but mostly on road use so far! I run 35 ona Jk rubicon ,, but do great in snow and rain ya never know what you might get weather wise here in West Virginia!! Great review tho!
All tires have some issue we have used BFG all terrains on our work fleet , and have had multiple sets tread separate after only 8 thousand miles? These trucks never leave gravel roads and that could be a issue. We have had great luck with the Nitto tires though
I have 2 sets of Patagonia mt 01 a set of 31.5 on my frontier and a set of 35in on my Jeep I love both they perform just as I need. Looking in to a set of 37in someday for the jeep. I mainly got them for the reason they fit my budget being a pretty cheap tire in the tire market.
my maxxis tire did the same thing also started with a small stick in the side wall i bought some huge patches and glued the hole up and patched it then put a tube in it the patch lasted over a year it blew out yesterday lol oddly enuff the new tires i ordered should be here today !
They are shit, MORR swears by them but he is sponsored by them, they don't get good milage and as you and others have stated they are very weak sidewalls.
It is so nice to actually see a YT'er that has tires bulging from properly being aired down. Wheels are only a little too narrow for that size tire, which I'll explain below. As a near 20 year tire industry vet and having 40 years of off-roading, I have not been impressed with these tires just from what I've seen on YT videos. I've seen some 'user errors' as well which contribute to some of the problems with tires but mostly the Pats dont impress me. Most of my viewing was Matt's Offroad Recovery, but have seen others running them as well. First thought when you were sticking your hand in the sidewall cut was OMG, that sidewall is weak. I looked them up and the Black Label's are 6 or 8 ply and they have 3 ply sidewalls. Well, one thing I used to tell people when BFG first came out with 3-ply sidewalls back in the day, "Those 3 plies are way thinner individually than the 2 plies on other brands, if not the tire would ride really rough, it still needs to flex". That may be the case here, esp since you could bend that sidewall with your hands so easily. MIchelin has had thin sidewalls for as long as I can remember, they are also 2 ply like the other brands, but not as thick. Now if you were able to rip that sidewall with that little air, I would say there is an issue with the construction of the sidewalls. I've literally rubbed my sidewalls on 33x12-50 Wild Country's on so many rocks, some pretty sharp and never cut a sidewall. But at 3-4 psi the sidewall just moves out of the way. One little known fact I've been preaching for more than 30 years and almost no one has known, and almost as many get argumentative about is the relationship between tire width and wheel width. The reason people get argumentative is the tire manufacturers misinform people in their specs on pretty much every offroad tire made. I looked up the Black Label's and their 13.50 width tires, they say can be mounted on 8.5 to 11 inch wide wheels. This is where they are setting people up for poor handling and premature/irregular wear. The general rule of thumb is you take the section width of the tire, subtract 2.5 and that is how wide of a wheel the optimal size is for that tire. Example, 10.50's live happiest on an 8 inch wheel, 13.50's should be put on an 11 inch wheel. This also works out to tread width=wheel width if you cant do math. So if you have that 13.50 tire on an 8 or 10 inch wide wheel, you are shooting yourself in the foot. There are many things that happen if you run a tire on a wheel that is too narrow. First, the handing is not going to be as good due to the cross section of the tire. Traction and wear will be sub-par due to the tread tending to "dome".. not be flat across like radial tires are designed to be (Look at tires on a Corvette). Air pressure will need to be artificially low to counter the warped tread-face which will effect handing even more. I was about to give Matt a hard time about not airing down because his tires never really bulge out like they should while aired down, another symptom of improper wheel width, the tire is stressed to the point the sidewalls cant flex like they should, this can also contribute to sidewall punctures due to the sidewall being taut. On the other hand a wheel that is too wide can cause irregular wear and means you need to run the air pressure artificially high so the center of the tread will make full pressure contact with the road. Traction then suffers due to a smaller contact patch front to rear on the tread. Even after showing people solid proof of this I still got a lot of people saying, "Well BFG says I can run this 33x12.50 on an 8" wheel". Personally, I believe BFG just wanted people to buy their tires and if they had to replace them early, oh well.. more profit.
I really like mine on my cherokee, they are not the black labels and I run them around 8-10 psi everywhere I go from Moab to a bunch of places in the Midwest and I’ve not had a single issue with them, and I’ve had them a little over a year with probably 10-15 wheeling trips, i really like them, and they’re more affordable than a lot of mud terrain tires in a 35”
Nice well rounded review Nate! I have been running a set of 315/70/17 MT 01’s for about 12 000 miles now, wheeling all over the Southwest and haven’t had a single issue yet. I am looking at switching to the MT02’s soon and am curious to see the difference in performance. Keep us updated on your findings.
Hold up. This is about the competition black labels? Then make sure people understand that the black labels are very different tires to the standard tires which most people are going to be buying. Yeah, of course your head life sucks. You have competition stickies with soft compound. And that could potentially be why your sidewall got cut. Like i said, the black label and standard MT are very different tires.
@@DirtLifestyle It's not as clear as you think. I'm no noob to the off-roading scene but I only found out a few days ago that the black labels were competition tires. I had heard of them but only thought it was nothing more than an aesthetic preference in label color. Also, the title of the video just says "Truth About the Patagonia MT". Nothing at all in this video says you are only talking about the competition tires. And when you mentioned asking other people about their experience, I don't think you mentioned if they were running the black labels or not. and it wouldn't be a fair comparison if they weren't. And yes, comp tires typically do have stronger sidewalls. I didn't say otherwise. I just said that maybe it has something to do with it. Maybe they do actually have a problem with the black label sidewalls but not with the standard tire, which could be why so many people you asked abut them never had any issues..
On my Gladiator I started out with 37” Toyo Open Country MT’s and they are amazing but really heavy. So heavy that a bought 37” Patagonia’s MT’s and they are so much lighter that I kept them on till they wore out and have done well on all surfaces. The only issues is they only last about 25,000 miles. Now I have the 37” Patagonia A/T for daily use and switch back to the Toyo for off-road use.
How are the patagonia ATs in rain? How they wearing so far? I run 39” KM3s on my DJT with sport fenders & 4” rustys lift as much as I love them if I can get away with a 37 AT without it looking too tiny and save the expensive tires for off road trips its probably smart financially
@@mattbrew11 I ran through two sets of Patagonia A/T’s and got 65,000+ out of each set. They did amazing in the rain and the little bit of snow we get here in Middle Tennessee each winter. I wouldn’t hesitate to buy them again for any truck or SUV.
So far the A/T’s are great in the rain and snow. They are much lighter and super quiet. The only down side is they look a little funny with my 4” lift in a 37”. The fuel savings is worth it in the end.
I loved mine but you have to stay on top of rotations more regularly than usual. I do wish the rubber was slightly harder for road longevity but off road performance was amazing!
"Borrowing a whole set of tires". Oh, so THAT'S what they call it these days? hahahaha! Kidding, brotha. Nice, honest review. I'm in the market to replace my 37s with something and I've not seen a good price on the Patagonia set I want.
2 guys had failed black labels just like that last time I was wheeling. I haven’t seen a non black label fail like that. I ran the non sticky 38x13.50 pats on my Jeep as a winter tire and it did pretty good wheeling. The pats didn’t balance well with beads though, my Baja pro xs balance better with beads on the same wheels.
I would be curious to see their performance with a bunch of grooving and siping. They look like a little too much contact, not enough bite for the wheeling around here. Have you run Nitto Trail Grapplers? My current and favourite tire so far.
Thing is ...the more popular a tire is the more rumors there are as many people use them and abuse them..tires do break and bigger user base has a bigger failed tire pile
It's not just the black labels. I punctured 2 of my 38s, 1 of which was very similar to the tear you have. Mine was done on a tree root in some colder weather as well.
Hey Y'all - I've been wheeling in the southwest, I live in AZ, for just over 20 years. Many different vehicles over all those years. Suzuki Samurai, Hummer H3, Jeep XJ, Jeep JKU and now a Jeep JLU Rubicon Diesel. Over all those years, many different brands of tires. Mickey Thompson, Pro Comp, Goodyear, Generic Budget selection and Patagonia's. Many different sizes, from 33, 35, 37 and now 40. Over all that time I've never had a sidewall blowout until the Patagonia's. Mine were the standard variety MT01. After nearly 10 months of trail use a couple times each month, my first sidewall ripped wide open. It was replaced under road hazard warranty. However; over the next month I had two more rip open just the same. I do air down to 12 psi each time I hit the trail. So it isn't just the Black Label that had the issue. And I'm sure it isn't going to affect everyone. The trails of the southwest are quite rocky with many sharp edges just waiting to jump out and grab at your tires. I've since went back to Pro Comp Xtreme M/T 2 (2nd favorite tire) as the Mickey Thompson Baja Boss wasn't available at the time in the 40's I wanted. Many months into these tires on many AZ trails and the sidewall aren't showing any signs of damage from the trail. The Patagonia's looked exactly like the rock had been ripping at them. I loved the Patagonia's for all the reasons everyone else loves them. They had always gripped great and the on road ride was incredible as well. And at the time, the price was super low. I'll be spending just a bit more moving forward on either Mickey Thompsons or Pro Comps. Weak sidewalls are not an option here. Good luck with the replacements! -Greg
Have a pair on my 04 discovery 2. Cords are showing where one of the treads tore off… also big gnarly gouges and splits in the tires side walls. Not leaking air yet, but I’m at the point where it’s no longer safe to use them. Maybe I’ve got 6000 miles at most on them. I got them used off a wrecked discovery 2 and they were almost new when I got them. I am very impressed with the performance this far except the fact they have so much damage…
I daily drive my JKU, but I'm on 35" Patagonia's... never had any issues. But also not black label. As far as highway mileage, rotating them every 3k miles really seems to help with wear.
I have a set of the mto1s and have had zero issues with them at all I also have a set of a/trs on my daily truck and the only issues I’ve had with them is people leaving nails or screws in the road
Everybody I know that runs these tires says they like them because they are cheap. Even though they don't last they like them because they are cheap. I will stick with my expensive BFGs.
I’m on my 2nd set of M/T 01s on my TJ (only 35s) and love them. Handled great in the snow and rocks of NW Colorado, handle great on the highway (though wear is a real issue but they are MTs so that’s par for course) and overall all around great tires. I have a buddy with a JT and he doesn’t like them on Snow but also like you said didn’t air down, I’ll stay with them as they are the best bang for the buck and over delivery for their price IMO.
I have a set of the Patagonia AT. Thread life has been really good but they were a bit hard to balance the 37 in tire needing 11oz on one of the wheels.
General Grabber X3, those tires have impressed me!! I would love to see a review. I usually run maxxis trepadors and switched over cause they weren't highway friendly and there's times I feel the X3 has better grip just ignored in the crawling community. 37's ,the sidewalls are solid AF on the X3 !!!
How well did the black labels wear? How many miles would you have expected out of them? I’m also curious about the competition baja boss X. Do these competition tires that have a street tread get better mileage than a red label?
I was told to expect 15k out of the black labels but only tested about 5k on these. They still had tons of life left but I didn't get any measurements before I gave them away.
Nate, I would really like to see how an XL-rated tire would do in an overlanding situation. Maybe take it up to some rocky logging roads and/or some rooty overgrown tracks with mud. Basically that's what I have right now (285/60r18 Toyo AT3 in XL), build is currently unfinished, but I am loth to add the extra 15lbs per corner it would take to move up to a C or E rated tire. My goal is to keep as much on-road mileage and performance out of this build as possible. I mean I have a spare, and am willing to liberally apply patches and plugs, can it be done?
We run Patagonias and they have been an amazing snowtire. Before we bought them we heard a lot of bad snow reviews but after running them for 2 winters, they are by far our favorite snowtire for deep West snow. We got down to 2 psi with no beadlocks a few weeks ago. Zero issues, and our little 35s had to drive around and pull out a truggy on 40s with swampers.
A good tire that has surprised me is the Kenda Klever RT (Rough terrain AKA hybrid). I switched from open country MT to these kenda tires and don't regret it one bit. The sidewall is aggressive for when you're aired down yet the center tread is not too aggressive so as to not create a lot of road noise or rolling resistance which means better mpg. They've been making tires for mountain bikes and other applications for a few decades but they're pretty new in the truck scene.
The Pat's have been great for me. I run the 295/17s on my ram and 265/16s on my wife's XJ. We wheeled and road tripped and have worked in all situations. I will buy them again with out hesitation.
Hey folks!
I want to add some context in the interest of clarity.
As far as big offroad tires are concerned, these are what I've used in the past. 39" irocs, 40" pro comp MT2s, 40" maxxis razrs, 39" BFG red labels, 39" bfg KM3s, 37" bfg KM3s, 39" KO2s and these 38" Milestar Patagonias. Most of the other tires I have ran were 36" and smaller, like my super swamper boggers, TSLs, wild county's, kumos ATs, Procomp ATs, and a couple sets of good year ats. I even ran the original BFG mt for a year in 2006 and a couple other no name MTs before that.
My thoughts on these Milestars are flavored by my experience with these multiple brands and like you, I ran many of these for years. The only blow outs I had in the last 18 or so years of wheeling was the TSLs and these Patagonia Black labels. I treat all these tires with the same amount of abuse and run low tire pressure on everything.
But these reviews don't come from a place of thinking I'm an expert. I get asked questions about my tires everyday so I'm simply sharing my honest experience to answer some of your questions.
I hope you enjoy these videos! Tires are definitely one of the most important parts of an offroad rig so choose wisely and do lots of research!
You have a good run with tires but I’d like to know your thoughts on the TOYO mud terrain tires.
non black label 35s, blew a hole in a sidewall. guess I touched a rock under the mud spinning the tire at a whopping 15 mph. the sidewall is mind blowing thin. I’m not worried about it in the rocks, it’s when you need the wheel speed in the mud if it touches anything it’s game over. I’m very interested to try the mt 02 and see if it holds up.
def the tire I can't wait to get ahold of myself is the Maxxis trepador one of these days I will own either a 37 or 40 in them and I can't get enough of seeing people use them and want to know more about them. I don't live in WA anymore I live in Missouri about 40 minutes away from flat nasty orv park so I will have plenty of wheeling opportunities coming up after I finish my zj build
I have ran tel 42” swampers probably my favorite tire on 79 Ramcharger, just swapped out my Patagonia for At. , no bead lockers for me, to be fair the Patagonia were not 15” wide like my swamper were, but like swampers both are loud on highway,
We use Pro Comp Xtreme M/T, currently 35” and it is a amazing tire in all conditions, mud, snow, sand, rock, dirt, highway. We use them all year around here in Ontario, Canada. We have 38,000 kms on them with no issues, also the wear on them, they still look new. Would like to see your review on them.
Here is another con....made overseas.
The selling point of these tires was the price. They used to be great performing tires at a cheap price. Fast forward to 2022 and now they are the same price or more than name brand tires like BFG. My next set of tires coming up will not be Patagonias again. 3 years ago my Patagonia’s were like $800 for a set of 37s, now they are like $1800. So at that price my next set of tires will probably be BFG or cooper.
I agree they lost there price advantage for a tire that only gets 25,000 miles
@@timking2194 my buddy bought a set of 31s for his yota for 500 2 years ago, went to go get a new set- 1400, so he spent the extra 600 and got some 37"mts and rims
Same. I've had 35s, 38s, and just jumped to a 42 and went Nitto.
I also purchased the Pats for the price. I got five 35s for $900. I'll be replacing them soon, and an identical set will cost me nearly $1500. Add another hundred or two and I'll have BFGs that will last far longer that the 20-25k I will get with these. No reason to use the Pats at their current price point.
I have had my milestars for a few years now. I bought them right before they got popular. I absolutely hate them. I can't wait to get rid of them. There and okay hybrid tire. If it's a daily driver weekend wheeler but. I wheel in the Pennsylvania mass And new Hampshire area and I have no traction. Obstacles that my buddies would walk up I would have to winch up. The slightest moisture and I'm pretty much done for the day. I have a video of my jeep jk in NH sitting double locked in 4 low aired down to about 8-10 psi. Just spinning on I was able to get out of my jeep and take the video. With the jeep in gear just spinning. I had to have my buddy pull me out. They are horrible with any type of mud. Definitely would not be buying again. Nate let me know if you want the video I would gladly send it to yoy
Do a review on the cooper SST pros. They are also a lighter tire.
I always worry about the sidewalls on lighter tires, but I love to keep the weight off of my rig too.
My favorite MT so far. I work in the tire industry and have the chance to try out different tires and they tend to be lighter than everything else like you said and for how aggressive they are they actually drive great and grabbed everything for me in different vehicles for different terrain.
@@justingalvan4050 that's good to hear! I'm switching to these since the GY MTRs I was running are trash now and still have half their tread still!
These are definitely on the list! Hopefully I can get my hands on a set 👍
@@DirtLifestyle let me know if you need any help with that 👍🏽
Toyo open country MT or the AT3
AT3, Ran these on my 97 FZJ80. Phenomenal tire. Went through about 12-18" of snow no problem at 34psi
I've had two sets of their regular mud terrains with no issues at all. That's interesting to hear the issues with the black labels. I would love to see you test out some MT Baja Boss Mt's, I think those will be my next tire.
I have the Baja Boss MTs in 37x12.5x17. Love them so far. Great off-road and the on-road noise is fine. 34 PSI seems to be a sweet spot in terms of pressure. Even 32 psi if you want a smooth ride on the road and over highway seams. All that said I would like to see a review of them going through lots of different terrain.
I’m just about to put a set on.
I have the mtbb AT and love them
I run the MT MTz in 35x12.5 and I love them as well. I have done snow, mud, sand and rock with them and am almost embarrassed to admit I have never aired them down. They did great at full pressure.
Big fan of Mickey Thompson rubbers!! Currently running a set of 37/13.5/r22 Baja ATZs and they are by far my new favorite tire. I've run most of them, Toyo, BFG, Nitto, maxxis...
The general grabber x3 would be cool to see your opinion on, I like them so far and have had them for a year, e rated and 265/70/17 on the same method wheels as your Tacoma even and love the bead grip wheels
Informative video. I am partial to BFG myself, never had an issue with them. Hope you are feeling better Nate. Good to have you back!
I think they do awful in the ice.
Yokohama Geolander MT G003 tires are a lighter weight option also Mickey Thompson Baja Boss MT tires would be interesting to get your thoughts on these as well.
I would like to see you put on a set of the new Mickey Thompson Baja Boss AT's and see how they stack up against the KO2's
I had them on my daily driver 2010 Avalanche. They were 285/70/17s with e load rating. I used my truck for work while I was a utility locator for a pipeline company around Houston so I was off-road literally everyday. I never had sidewall issues but my two complaints would be tread life and mud traction. I went through a set of tires every 12-18 months and had much better luck with my Toyo Open Country MTs, although they were twice the price
......So the question would be with them , as a daily driver, ...."is what type of yearly (annual") mileage were you getting" ? I ask because out west, 'heat checking' is a real problem Ran BFG AT's and never got more than 45,000 due to sidewall cracking. This made them to unsafe for highway use. The tread was getting marginal, but they did last about 3 years a set. As a price point, if I can get 25,000 out of a set, them i think i am ahead.
I have a set of 285/70/17 that I originally put on my sequoia for a month long road trip from NC all the way to CA so they seen some pretty different conditions along the way. Half of the trip was mainly on the highway, the other half was spent in dry desert conditions to snow covered mountain ranges. All of this was done pulling a 7,000lb trailer most of the time so of course I got stuck and had to be pulled out of different situations but this wasn’t due to the performance of the tires but more or less that I was pulling a heavy trailer off the beating path lol. When I got back home I threw them on my Rebel that I use strictly for landscaping work and pulling trailer to see how they would hold up. Needless to say, the tread life has been horrible but again I am using them outside of their intended purpose.
@@cobra12398 sorry for the late reply. I think I got 25-30k miles out of the set
Nice review, thank you for being honest. Theyre a good budget tire, I think they need to come up a little more to play with the big names.
The weak sidewalls of Patagonia MTs are not exclusive to the Black Labels. Milestars are only 3 ply - where a Cooper is 8 or 10 ply. This is part of the reason they are so much cheaper than other brands.
On the East Coast these tires do not hold up well in wet, muddy terrain we have. They get caked up with mud, don’t clear the treads well, and thus loose a lot of traction. Overtime they don’t wear evenly causing the treads to cup and make a lot of road noise.
The Milestar tires are trash don’t let anyone else convince you otherwise. They only got popular because of Kevin and Brittany Williams (who got them for severely less than the average consumer), and they don’t even use them anymore, because they are trash tires.
Save your money and buy a better tire. Save money in your build elsewhere.
I watch a lot of RUclips, so I’m basically an expert. What I’ve seen, is that the Milestar tires do great on a lot of different terrain. The only time they seem to fall on their face is indeed that “east coast” terrain where you have mud and slick (like actually slick, not Moab slick) rock where you need some wheel speed. Nitto Trail Grapplers do much better.
The cooper SST pro uses a 3 ply sidewall. What cooper has an 8 or 10 ply sidewall? I don't think there is one in a 40
Try the Atturo Trail Blade MT or Boss.
For the street may be okay
I had Milestar Patagonia M/T 35’s for two years no issues. Now I have a set of 38’s for about 6 months. They have preformed great. My rig is only used for wheeling and I wheel pretty hard. But the tires do get some gnarly chunks taken out of them pretty easily. But it hasn’t caused any sidewall issues thus far.
I love to see a long term review of the bead grip wheels too. Is it more of a marketing gimmick or does it really help when aired down. I want the advantages of a beadlock when aired down but don’t want all the hassle of the mounting and dismounting.
I bought a set, haven't been able to get them on yet (waiting on the lift, damn delays). However the shop that mounted them said they were a bit more difficult to mount than regular wheels, so take that for what it's worth.
Yes, me as well...gimmick or greatness.
I have the same bead grip wheels for 2 years now and have been down to 8psi. Never had a bead break loose or even burp air.
I have the same set as Nate on my jeep. I run 8psi every ride with 37” KM3s and have had zero issues. I also have bead grips on my RZR and run them at 7psi in the dunes no problem. The tire shop had a hell of a time mounting the rzr tires though. I think that was their first experience with the bead grips.
Just to paly 'Devils Advocate'.. 40 years off road, running as low as 2 psi, never owned beadlock wheels, never will... Only once, and it was more my fault than the tire's/wheel's fault due to a heavy pedal and steering being applied I got sand in the bead. Never have had one come off, and I've done a lot of the trails in CO and UT. Typically the beadlock on modern wheels is pretty good at keeping the tire on. Now if you like to drift with all the ponies engaged, beadlocks may be worth it. Drive like grandpa on a sunday drive, I think they are a waste of money.
I have had two sets of patagonias. Wheeling in AZ I never cut a side wall, but I the chunking was really bad and this year at EJS I somehow ripped an entire tread block off the tire.
I’ve seen that happen before on milestars. IMO I’d rather run mickeys coopers or even nitto and I’m not a nitto fan for other reasons😂
@@travispinkerton9916 I have Mickey Thompsons and they are shredded for several reasons. Even have chunks of sidewall missing. But, as long as they still hold air it's all good!
I've never ran them but all my friends have because of the price. They've had the regular and the black labels and have had blowouts on the side and in one trip we had multiple blowouts on fairly new tires. They will never run those tires ever again. I was on the Rubicon with a brand new set on my vehicle and passed a guy who just put on a brand new set and had a sidewall go out on a 40. I had a pair of Nittos 40s that had 30% tread life left and if you look at them they're sliced and diced chunks missing never had one leak never had one blow out. I've also ran Coopers, BFGs and never had these issues. I think it all comes down to this- there's only so much rubber and technology you can put in that price point. One thing I will say is they are excellent in the snow because they fold over so easy you can run crazy low pressures however I would never run them I want to be able to rely on my tires not have to worry all the time about cutting a sidewall or having extreme blowout on the freeway.
As much as people may hate on the bfg ko2s or km3s, those sidewalls are crazy tough. I would recommend those tires!
I had a set of 35 inch patagonias, i loved them for the most part, great on the trails we have around here (north east) did have some issues with the wear pattern, im pretty anal about tire pressures and tread wear. I just couldnt seem to get it right with them so they did have some minor unevenness. But for the price of them i wouldnt complain. Ill most likely be buying a set of 37s once my current tires get worn out
Few buddies of mine run them, but all of them have experienced pretty fast wear, and chopping
Are Patagonia’s even the budget friendly option anymore? I’ve been tire shopping and they seem to be pretty similar in price to other similar tires
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as far as my looking around goes they are on the cheaper end but mainly liked because their the lightest for the size. Im no expert or anything but I've only seen a few others MT that have 37x12.5 instead of 13.5 so with the width and weight it's liked for light trucks. I assume the weight savings is 100% side wide . easier on drive train less bullet proof.
Had them bookmarked less than 5 months ago and they've gone up 40% in price since then
@@kevinm1734 everything has gone up in the last 5 months +.....
@@LVCJXXX *fjb
I've had my non black labels down to 7psi on snow/ice and I could creep down a slope that everyone else slid down. So I'm a big believer of these in the snow!
Nate, be cool to see what you’ve thought of those method bead grips so far. I’ve taken mine down to 2-3psi in the snow w 40in pro comps, haven’t had a chance to get in rocks though
I also have this question, thinking of getting some.
I have a set of 35" Mickey Thompson MTZ P3s, I'd love your opinion on them. I love them so far.
I'm on my third set of that same tire. My build started out with 31s and I wore them about 60% then I went to 33's and I wore them about 70%. Now I'm on the 35s of the same tire you have. And everywhere I go in the Black Hills snow and rock and everything else I absolutely love them. I've even had my 33s wrapped clear up around the wheel and even over the valve stem and never had any damage
Have had 2 sets of Milestar Patagonia MT's on 2 Diesel Trucks and have been great . Now i will try the Milestar XT on a 4 Runner
well this is disappointing, ive got fairly new black labels, just checked where yours says MT02, mine are not must've been the last of the crap run, mine has a small slice and small chunk out of the tread, I'VE RAN ONE TRAIL ON THIS POS, literally a shakedown trail not even rocks basically a little more than a bumpy dirt road. even before this disappointing news i was pretty sure i'd buy something different next time. now i definitely do not recommend.
I am on the pit crew for a 4800 Ultra4 KOH car. We run these in 37". We have had 1 flat in 3 years of racing KOH. I guess any tire can have issues, but KOH is brutal, and we have had great success!
I’ve had a set on my 97 7.3 f250 and had no problem but mine weren’t the black labels.
Not sure if you can still get them, RoadOne Caverly M/T. I have 40k miles one mine now 2018 JLU, Mostly road miles but seem to work very well off road as well. only issue i have with them is they are directional.
Patagonia MT in 305/70R16 on a 99 XJ. I run 15 psi on Colorado and Utah rocks and dirt. No issues yet (not black label)
My problem with them is they’ve went from being cheap to the same price as their better, use to be more expensive, counterparts. (When I say “better” I’m talking in terms of wear, as I do a lot of highway and commute driving on pavement and hit the trails on the weekend, it seams these wear a lot faster then something like Falken at3’s, and they are now, atleast in my area and what I can purchase them for online, in the ball park of the same price range.)
I would be interested in hearing what the manufacturer says about airing down so low , don't get me wrong I get it ,the whole air down thing .i would think air down abusing the tire the way you guys do on the trail has to weaken the side wall over time and abuse . My father always told me if you want a play you gonna pay. I would thank God for the following you have built and the platform you get for the freebies from the manufacturer s. Guys like me only wish for the thing you get to do everyday God BLESS THERE ISAID IT
I’d love to see an independent review on the icon rebound pro wheels. I just put a set on my Jeep, haven’t wheeled it yet though. Hoping to sometime this year. I put Mickey Thompson Baja Boss m/t’s on it. 37s
Good info and your right... tires are just tough to rate for all the reasons that you stated. But that being said... you asked... what Goodyear do you have experience with and how do you rate the Goodyear line up ? Along with Mickey Thompson tires ? I grew up in Eastern Washington and those were the go to brand [in the 70's]... and then we used Goodyear farm implement tires lol... not a lot to choose from back then. Now I am living in the south and Nitto seems to be the go to brand... lots of red clay ... but they howl and don't last on pavement and wet rain on the road can make hard big tread mud tires like skates on ice... Again goes to your point on how difficult it truly is to have a "do all" tire.
Everyone I know who had them got rid of them because of the sidewall failures. I run Nitto Trail Grapplers since 2016 and I have some really bad cuts on those old tires and they still hold air.
I have a set on my MJ Comanche. These were on before I bought it. I absolutely despise them. They are loud on the highway, and don't do any east coast wheeling well at all. My group of friends walk most obstacles I have issues on. Will be upgrading to some STT pros or Falkens soon.
I love my cooper discovery stt pro I haven't done any crawling but an medium trails never had to even air down and had no issues (37x13.5 r18) also have a set of 33x10 r18 that I used to run until my 37s and never had a complaint been driving on them for 1.5 years so far and the thread is still at 60% (daily driven)
I had the exact same issue with my Patagonias 38x13.5x17, split from rim to tread not black labe
I live in snow county drive in it every day if the winter . It’s not cold snow it’s warm snow much harder to get a tire to work in . I have bead locks and run single digits in pressure and about 15 psi on the hwy on ice and snow. I have always ran bfg ko in 37 inch tires I switched to Patagonia and they did not last one winter from the wear and the extra heat that is generated from running lower air pressure. Went straight back to ko2 now on 39 . They are a much better tire and will out last 3 sets of milestars . They also rock crawl better than Most . They just suck in mud. Bfg for the win .
Since the black wall is their competition tire, is it possible they are using a slightly weaker sidewall in favor of a bit more "bounce/flex". Considering a lot of the big events include long high speed desert runs, that could make sense.
I would love to see you run some Nexen Rodian MTX tires at some point. I hear great things from other Jeep shows regarding their on road performance, long life, and comfort on more mild off roading. Would love to hear what a more extreme off roader thinks, particularly for rock crawling performance/durability.
A friend of mine picked up a buggy with a set of black labels. They ABSOLUTELY SUCK! He got denied on damn near EVERY obstacle that I walked with my reds. It was painful watching him struggle all weekend. This was at SMORR. They might be fine out west but where we wheel, no thanks.
I mean, you really cant be surprised, the mile pattys are the walmart/pep boys special. budget tires, like the OG difinity Dakotas from pep boys. had a buddy rip the same size hole in the sidewall from a root with his old dakotas
I know you used to run the maxxis razr mt’s (or still do). In your opinion which is better from a daily driver stand point who doesn’t wheel hard? Also which is better in the snow?
When I hear milestars I remember 2 channels: LiteBrite and Matt's Offroad Recovery 😅
I’ve had great experience so far but mostly on road use so far! I run 35 ona Jk rubicon ,, but do great in snow and rain ya never know what you might get weather wise here in West Virginia!! Great review tho!
Have you ever used Kenda Kleaver A/T’s? They seem to have good tread gaps and are quiet on the road.
All tires have some issue we have used BFG all terrains on our work fleet , and have had multiple sets tread separate after only 8 thousand miles? These trucks never leave gravel roads and that could be a issue. We have had great luck with the Nitto tires though
I have 2 sets of Patagonia mt 01 a set of 31.5 on my frontier and a set of 35in on my Jeep I love both they perform just as I need. Looking in to a set of 37in someday for the jeep. I mainly got them for the reason they fit my budget being a pretty cheap tire in the tire market.
my maxxis tire did the same thing also started with a small stick in the side wall i bought some huge patches and glued the hole up and patched it then put a tube in it the patch lasted over a year it blew out yesterday lol oddly enuff the new tires i ordered should be here today !
They are shit, MORR swears by them but he is sponsored by them, they don't get good milage and as you and others have stated they are very weak sidewalls.
It is so nice to actually see a YT'er that has tires bulging from properly being aired down. Wheels are only a little too narrow for that size tire, which I'll explain below.
As a near 20 year tire industry vet and having 40 years of off-roading, I have not been impressed with these tires just from what I've seen on YT videos. I've seen some 'user errors' as well which contribute to some of the problems with tires but mostly the Pats dont impress me. Most of my viewing was Matt's Offroad Recovery, but have seen others running them as well. First thought when you were sticking your hand in the sidewall cut was OMG, that sidewall is weak. I looked them up and the Black Label's are 6 or 8 ply and they have 3 ply sidewalls. Well, one thing I used to tell people when BFG first came out with 3-ply sidewalls back in the day, "Those 3 plies are way thinner individually than the 2 plies on other brands, if not the tire would ride really rough, it still needs to flex". That may be the case here, esp since you could bend that sidewall with your hands so easily. MIchelin has had thin sidewalls for as long as I can remember, they are also 2 ply like the other brands, but not as thick. Now if you were able to rip that sidewall with that little air, I would say there is an issue with the construction of the sidewalls. I've literally rubbed my sidewalls on 33x12-50 Wild Country's on so many rocks, some pretty sharp and never cut a sidewall. But at 3-4 psi the sidewall just moves out of the way.
One little known fact I've been preaching for more than 30 years and almost no one has known, and almost as many get argumentative about is the relationship between tire width and wheel width. The reason people get argumentative is the tire manufacturers misinform people in their specs on pretty much every offroad tire made. I looked up the Black Label's and their 13.50 width tires, they say can be mounted on 8.5 to 11 inch wide wheels. This is where they are setting people up for poor handling and premature/irregular wear. The general rule of thumb is you take the section width of the tire, subtract 2.5 and that is how wide of a wheel the optimal size is for that tire. Example, 10.50's live happiest on an 8 inch wheel, 13.50's should be put on an 11 inch wheel. This also works out to tread width=wheel width if you cant do math. So if you have that 13.50 tire on an 8 or 10 inch wide wheel, you are shooting yourself in the foot. There are many things that happen if you run a tire on a wheel that is too narrow. First, the handing is not going to be as good due to the cross section of the tire. Traction and wear will be sub-par due to the tread tending to "dome".. not be flat across like radial tires are designed to be (Look at tires on a Corvette). Air pressure will need to be artificially low to counter the warped tread-face which will effect handing even more. I was about to give Matt a hard time about not airing down because his tires never really bulge out like they should while aired down, another symptom of improper wheel width, the tire is stressed to the point the sidewalls cant flex like they should, this can also contribute to sidewall punctures due to the sidewall being taut. On the other hand a wheel that is too wide can cause irregular wear and means you need to run the air pressure artificially high so the center of the tread will make full pressure contact with the road. Traction then suffers due to a smaller contact patch front to rear on the tread. Even after showing people solid proof of this I still got a lot of people saying, "Well BFG says I can run this 33x12.50 on an 8" wheel". Personally, I believe BFG just wanted people to buy their tires and if they had to replace them early, oh well.. more profit.
I really like mine on my cherokee, they are not the black labels and I run them around 8-10 psi everywhere I go from Moab to a bunch of places in the Midwest and I’ve not had a single issue with them, and I’ve had them a little over a year with probably 10-15 wheeling trips, i really like them, and they’re more affordable than a lot of mud terrain tires in a 35”
Nice well rounded review Nate! I have been running a set of 315/70/17 MT 01’s for about 12 000 miles now, wheeling all over the Southwest and haven’t had a single issue yet. I am looking at switching to the MT02’s soon and am curious to see the difference in performance. Keep us updated on your findings.
I'm looking at the Patagonia at pro, for my Jeep Liberty. Supposed to be available this month. Have Cooper stt mt on it now but they are about done.
Hold up. This is about the competition black labels? Then make sure people understand that the black labels are very different tires to the standard tires which most people are going to be buying.
Yeah, of course your head life sucks. You have competition stickies with soft compound.
And that could potentially be why your sidewall got cut.
Like i said, the black label and standard MT are very different tires.
I made this super clear in the video. I say black label over and over.
Also, competition tires tradionaly have stronger sidewalls not weaker.
@@DirtLifestyle It's not as clear as you think. I'm no noob to the off-roading scene but I only found out a few days ago that the black labels were competition tires. I had heard of them but only thought it was nothing more than an aesthetic preference in label color.
Also, the title of the video just says "Truth About the Patagonia MT". Nothing at all in this video says you are only talking about the competition tires.
And when you mentioned asking other people about their experience, I don't think you mentioned if they were running the black labels or not. and it wouldn't be a fair comparison if they weren't.
And yes, comp tires typically do have stronger sidewalls. I didn't say otherwise. I just said that maybe it has something to do with it. Maybe they do actually have a problem with the black label sidewalls but not with the standard tire, which could be why so many people you asked abut them never had any issues..
On my Gladiator I started out with 37” Toyo Open Country MT’s and they are amazing but really heavy. So heavy that a bought 37” Patagonia’s MT’s and they are so much lighter that I kept them on till they wore out and have done well on all surfaces. The only issues is they only last about 25,000 miles. Now I have the 37” Patagonia A/T for daily use and switch back to the Toyo for off-road use.
How are the patagonia ATs in rain? How they wearing so far? I run 39” KM3s on my DJT with sport fenders & 4” rustys lift
as much as I love them if I can get away with a 37 AT without it looking too tiny and save the expensive tires for off road trips its probably smart financially
@@mattbrew11 I ran through two sets of Patagonia A/T’s and got 65,000+ out of each set. They did amazing in the rain and the little bit of snow we get here in Middle Tennessee each winter. I wouldn’t hesitate to buy them again for any truck or SUV.
So far the A/T’s are great in the rain and snow. They are much lighter and super quiet. The only down side is they look a little funny with my 4” lift in a 37”. The fuel savings is worth it in the end.
Ohhh thank you. I was thinking about getting these soon but maybe not.
How about general x3 tires? See them around a lot.
I feel like these aren't as popular in the PNW but I would love to get my hands on a set!
I have minor chunking issues on mine, but overall I'm very satisfied with mine. No puncture issues.
What PSI are you running and how much wheel speed in the rocks?
I had chunking only when not aired down enough and too much wheel spin up shale.
I am going to blame it on the extremely low air pressure you are running. Would any tire hold up at those pressures?
I loved mine but you have to stay on top of rotations more regularly than usual. I do wish the rubber was slightly harder for road longevity but off road performance was amazing!
I haven’t had issues with my Patagonia’s however I’m not using the black labels so you might be on to something there.
"Borrowing a whole set of tires". Oh, so THAT'S what they call it these days? hahahaha! Kidding, brotha. Nice, honest review. I'm in the market to replace my 37s with something and I've not seen a good price on the Patagonia set I want.
Not tire related.. but your taco is THE COOLEST taco ive ever seen. You did a great job with this build. Keep up the excellent content.
Thanks man 🙌 I appreciate the kind words!
I barely rubbed my tire on a log with a KM2 and it’s side wall also ripped from tread to rim. I felt the same disappointment about BFG as you do.
I’m a nittos fan.
2 guys had failed black labels just like that last time I was wheeling. I haven’t seen a non black label fail like that. I ran the non sticky 38x13.50 pats on my Jeep as a winter tire and it did pretty good wheeling. The pats didn’t balance well with beads though, my Baja pro xs balance better with beads on the same wheels.
I would be curious to see their performance with a bunch of grooving and siping. They look like a little too much contact, not enough bite for the wheeling around here. Have you run Nitto Trail Grapplers? My current and favourite tire so far.
Tires to try: Baja Boss MTs, Baja Boss ATs, Maxxis Razr AT 811 model.
Thing is ...the more popular a tire is the more rumors there are as many people use them and abuse them..tires do break and bigger user base has a bigger failed tire pile
It's not just the black labels. I punctured 2 of my 38s, 1 of which was very similar to the tear you have. Mine was done on a tree root in some colder weather as well.
Hey Y'all -
I've been wheeling in the southwest, I live in AZ, for just over 20 years. Many different vehicles over all those years. Suzuki Samurai, Hummer H3, Jeep XJ, Jeep JKU and now a Jeep JLU Rubicon Diesel. Over all those years, many different brands of tires. Mickey Thompson, Pro Comp, Goodyear, Generic Budget selection and Patagonia's. Many different sizes, from 33, 35, 37 and now 40.
Over all that time I've never had a sidewall blowout until the Patagonia's. Mine were the standard variety MT01. After nearly 10 months of trail use a couple times each month, my first sidewall ripped wide open. It was replaced under road hazard warranty. However; over the next month I had two more rip open just the same. I do air down to 12 psi each time I hit the trail.
So it isn't just the Black Label that had the issue. And I'm sure it isn't going to affect everyone. The trails of the southwest are quite rocky with many sharp edges just waiting to jump out and grab at your tires.
I've since went back to Pro Comp Xtreme M/T 2 (2nd favorite tire) as the Mickey Thompson Baja Boss wasn't available at the time in the 40's I wanted.
Many months into these tires on many AZ trails and the sidewall aren't showing any signs of damage from the trail. The Patagonia's looked exactly like the rock had been ripping at them.
I loved the Patagonia's for all the reasons everyone else loves them. They had always gripped great and the on road ride was incredible as well. And at the time, the price was super low.
I'll be spending just a bit more moving forward on either Mickey Thompsons or Pro Comps. Weak sidewalls are not an option here.
Good luck with the replacements!
-Greg
Woah 3-4 psi sounds crazy! Good thing I’ve never been in that kind of snow cause I’d be stuck not knowing that 😂
Have a pair on my 04 discovery 2. Cords are showing where one of the treads tore off… also big gnarly gouges and splits in the tires side walls. Not leaking air yet, but I’m at the point where it’s no longer safe to use them. Maybe I’ve got 6000 miles at most on them. I got them used off a wrecked discovery 2 and they were almost new when I got them. I am very impressed with the performance this far except the fact they have so much damage…
I daily drive my JKU, but I'm on 35" Patagonia's... never had any issues. But also not black label. As far as highway mileage, rotating them every 3k miles really seems to help with wear.
I got 2 dam holes in mine by hitting curb lightly what gives man
I have a set of the mto1s and have had zero issues with them at all I also have a set of a/trs on my daily truck and the only issues I’ve had with them is people leaving nails or screws in the road
"Im very torn..." - Sticking hand through tear in sidewall lol!! good kick off.
Everybody I know that runs these tires says they like them because they are cheap. Even though they don't last they like them because they are cheap. I will stick with my expensive BFGs.
thats like buying cheap seat belts. ill stick with your expensive bfgs too lmfao
Mine lasted me a long time.
Won't run anything else but super swamper ltb bias plys been running them for over 5 years not and still going strong.
I have 39 KM3s and they also have a weak side wall honestly
I’m on my 2nd set of M/T 01s on my TJ (only 35s) and love them. Handled great in the snow and rocks of NW Colorado, handle great on the highway (though wear is a real issue but they are MTs so that’s par for course) and overall all around great tires. I have a buddy with a JT and he doesn’t like them on Snow but also like you said didn’t air down, I’ll stay with them as they are the best bang for the buck and over delivery for their price IMO.
I have a set of the Patagonia AT. Thread life has been really good but they were a bit hard to balance the 37 in tire needing 11oz on one of the wheels.
Sounds like a bad driver, that would do it to any tire. Idk
I’d love to see a video with tracks.
General Grabber X3, those tires have impressed me!! I would love to see a review. I usually run maxxis trepadors and switched over cause they weren't highway friendly and there's times I feel the X3 has better grip just ignored in the crawling community. 37's ,the sidewalls are solid AF on the X3 !!!
As I’m about to buy 38” Milestars 😜
Thank you for the video Nate!
How well did the black labels wear? How many miles would you have expected out of them? I’m also curious about the competition baja boss X. Do these competition tires that have a street tread get better mileage than a red label?
I was told to expect 15k out of the black labels but only tested about 5k on these. They still had tons of life left but I didn't get any measurements before I gave them away.
We put those on my wife's trail hawk and they have chunks coming off at 25,000 miles.
If you run these tire's with low air pressure, they will do that. They should always been driven with air pressure above 36 psi.
I’d love to hear your opinions on Toyo open country MTs
Nate, I would really like to see how an XL-rated tire would do in an overlanding situation. Maybe take it up to some rocky logging roads and/or some rooty overgrown tracks with mud. Basically that's what I have right now (285/60r18 Toyo AT3 in XL), build is currently unfinished, but I am loth to add the extra 15lbs per corner it would take to move up to a C or E rated tire. My goal is to keep as much on-road mileage and performance out of this build as possible. I mean I have a spare, and am willing to liberally apply patches and plugs, can it be done?
I’d like to see the kenati trail hogs be used and abused! I spoke with a rep at a 4wp event and I love the price!
I live in north Idaho and run the Patagonia mt’s and I love them. However I have never had a side wall issue.
My issue with the Patagonia M//T was when you air down the sidewall bulges way too much and seemed like I sliced the crap out of them on the rocks.
I wish we could get them over here in Europe.
love my patagonia MT 37s on my JKU, on road and off-road balance is awesome - no issues
We run Patagonias and they have been an amazing snowtire. Before we bought them we heard a lot of bad snow reviews but after running them for 2 winters, they are by far our favorite snowtire for deep West snow.
We got down to 2 psi with no beadlocks a few weeks ago. Zero issues, and our little 35s had to drive around and pull out a truggy on 40s with swampers.
A good tire that has surprised me is the Kenda Klever RT (Rough terrain AKA hybrid). I switched from open country MT to these kenda tires and don't regret it one bit. The sidewall is aggressive for when you're aired down yet the center tread is not too aggressive so as to not create a lot of road noise or rolling resistance which means better mpg. They've been making tires for mountain bikes and other applications for a few decades but they're pretty new in the truck scene.
The Pat's have been great for me. I run the 295/17s on my ram and 265/16s on my wife's XJ. We wheeled and road tripped and have worked in all situations. I will buy them again with out hesitation.