Two questions: 1. Is there a way to have the micro pro start up with the device bypassed? I have my c4 set to start up bypassed, but the dmc micro starts up showing the device active. So I have to press and hold the alt button twice so that the micro pro is back and sync and controlling the c4. 2. In preset mode is there a way to set it so I can scroll through the presets without activating the c4. I have named my presets and would like to be able to scroll through them to find the right one without also turning on the c4, then I can switch back to device mode and activate the c4 when it's time to use it.
@@DisasterAreaDesigns Thank you, I was about to ask the exact same question . . male to male mini usb cable (6", right angle to straight, come in package of 2) doesn't work out of the box .. I have a spare one for free if anyone in Toronto / Canada wants it for their C4 and DMC.Micro
@@tree-style Yes, exactly - the C4 checks to see whether there is bus power on the USB, and if not it doesn't communicate. The DMC.micro and other DMC Gen3 devices DO send power on the port but only if the "ID" pin is set correctly, which is one of the things the gHOST adapter cable does. I asked Source Audio to disable the check to support those rare cases when we don't have power present on the port.
Can this be hooked up to the C4 and another pedal via the midi out (e.g. a whammy) and be able to scroll through each of the presets/intervals independently? Like hold to change pedal instead of hold to bypass? Thanks heaps
Any USB A to Mini-B cable with "sync" capability should work fine. We do sell a cable as part of our gHOST Adapter kit, but you may be able to find one for less locally. If you need both the gHOST adapter dongle and the cable, our kit costs about what you'd pay from any online source.
I have been trying to set mine up using this video with no luck and have a couple notes into customer support. I'm open to this being an end user issue. My version on boot up is FW 2.02c Ser # 3 92
I was having issues as well but I found that setting the MIDI channel to one on the Neuro App and then making sure I use the USB and ghost cable provided AND they are plugged into the devices with the proper end fixed the problem! It mattered in my case which end of of the USB and ghost cable went into the two devices. You wouldn’t think it would matter but it sure did for me. Works fine now.
@BillonBass Nice. When I ordered my pedal off eBay, it didn't come with any cables. I ended up having to order their gHost cable as the one I got off Amazon was junk. Made ALL the difference.
Question about the C4. Can you easily scan through presets or do you have to access them one click at a time? Also, can you simultaneously play a preset and search through presets?
Now that 9 months have passed I can answer. You can have 3 green and 3 red presets for a total of 6 at any given time. If you want a different 6 you have to connect via USB or headphone jack control and go into the software and update your pedal with the 6 you wanna use. This guy's awesome pedal allows you to scan through ALL the presets from your feet, without a PC
Hi,I was on a forum and someone said that you can get Midi between the C4 and micro using the Neuro cable that comes with the C4..That is plug the 1/8 jack to the C4 control jack then the 1/4 inch jack to the multi jack on the micro...Is this true and if so what is the proceedure on the micro?...I don't have a Neuro Hub..just the Neuro cable that comes with the C4..The reason I said this is I have another pedal(non Source Audio) which I want to control by Midi on the Micro also..I suggested that I get a ghost adapter then get a USB to dual jack mini b adapter to plug into both pedals..but the forum said this won't work..They said I can go the neuro cable route way leaving the usb mini port on the micro available for the other non SA pedal through a ghost adapter set up etc...
Kind of depends what all the pedals you want to control are, but we can help you figure it out. Please email support through the website if you haven't already and we can help you sort it.
Dear Reader, I have: 1. DMC.micro PRO fw v2.01 and C4 fw v1.18 connected via the gHOST cable. 2. Both factory reset like in the video and the DMC.micro reset to the C4 setup like in the video. 3. DMC.micro set to USB Mode HOST. 4. "Skip USB-MIDI Power Check" set to ON in the Neuro app. 5. Power cycled both units several times, unplugged and re-plugged the cables multiple times, tried other cables other than the one supplied with the gHOST kit. Have not been able to replace the tiny cable. 6. Not been able to see the C4 react in any way to the DMC.micro. Please send help.
Well, sounds like you've tried all the reasonable things. If you haven't replaced the adapter cable, then that is the next step I would try. The only other recommendation I have is to make sure that the C4 is set to use MIDI CHANNEL 1 in the Neuro App / Desktop. It won't work with the DMC on any other channels. You should also make sure that the DMC.micro CLOCK mode is set to OFF, at least for troubleshooting purposes. And if none of that works please contact support at disasterareadesigs dot com for help, as we don't monitor the comments section and sometimes days go by without us knowing you need assistance!
@@DisasterAreaDesigns Update! I just received and tested another Mini-USB OTG adapter cable and here I am switching around my way too many presets. Thanks!
I've used my DMC Micro PRO with my C4 for over a year now, they have lived on my pedalboard. All of sudden they wont communicate with each other anymore. I've swapped USB cables and factory reset both items and they still wont communicate. Might I need a firmware update for the DMC Micro PRO? Do you have a video for that procedure? I already updated the C4 in the Neuro app.
I figured it out! It had nothing to do with the MDC Micro Pro. I had to go into the Neuro App for the C4 and turn on USB-MIDI skip power check, under Hardware Options.
Hello i'm just new to midi foot controllers been checking the D.A. Videos hoping i learn something from your videos. i recently purchased the dmc micro pro for my C4. Since i'm from Canada to far to get the ghost adapter, and you mentioned about usb mini b to mini b cable and it has a special setup! Is that vidoe available cos i only have that mini b to mini b! Thanks in advance i love you product still have to learn how touse it!
I have two classic micro's. Updated to the 2.0. One Micro controls 3 Source Audio pedals (C4, Nemesis and Aftershock) and an Alexander F13. I'm using the SA Neuro Hub. The 2nd Micro controls 3 Meris pedals(Enzo, Polymoon and Mercury 7) and a CBA Warped Vinyl. The Meris pedals are hooked into a Meris I/O. All of this go into a couple of Midi Solutions Thru boxes and off to the Micro's. All 3 SA pedals are hooked to the Hub with 3.5mm TRRS plugs. The Meris pedals are TRS plugs into the I/O. I'm having a hard time getting things to work or recognized. The CBA and Mercury 7 are the only two that I can control. What are the proper device name settings under the dev choices? Don't know if there is a step I'm missing with the hub or just everything.
Yes it is a lot!! Before I move forward with communications I'm going to rewatch the proper videos of yours and go through all the steps again. Hopefully this does the trick. Thanks for your great product!
Not sure what you mean exactly but the C4 requires MIDI over USB and can't accept it any other way. The only exception is using the Source Audio HUB, which is a different protocol (not exactly MIDI) over 1/8" TRRS mini-jack. No other non-Hub devices support this protocol, so you must use USB.
@@DisasterAreaDesigns Maybe. It just seems really expensive for what it is. I just need a way to press the next and previous buttons during a show. I think I'll try and find something else that does that job, or build my own little device first.
This may be exactly what I’m looking for, and to possibly ease the buyers “regret” I’ve been feeling. Hopefully i understand this pedal. This is my issue. Ever since I saw the first review for the source auto Ultrawave (bass) Ive been looking forward to getting one. I don’t have a “desktop” computer, just an ipad and iPhone. I was hoping that was all I needed, to be able to use all the functions of the pedal, but now that i have the SA Ultrawave, I’m not sure that’s the case. I’m able to get into the app…via headphone jack, but for whatever reason not via usb/lighting port. ANYWAY…I’m loving the community presets and found a way to make a lengthy (not unlike this comment…sorry for that) preset list, but am only able to access the first 6 with “just the pedal”. Before returning it, i thought, maybe ill get the midi pedal (just to scroll through the presets), then realized “if this pedal is stumping me, I’m sure the whole “midi” thing will just give me brain damage. Then i saw this… Will this pedal scroll through presets? Are the presets actually saved to the SA Ultrawave pedal itself? With this pedal…will I always have to be attached to a computer to access all the presets? And can i do all of this with my setup (sans desktop) or should i just realize, with my computer ignorance, I’m not qualified to have a pedal like this? If this question is to stupid to answer, I’ll understand. I’m just frustrated with my own stupidity. Thank you for at least reading this. Cheers
You can set up the Source Audio pedals just fine using the 1/4" cable to your phone, and after that you can use the DMC.micro or pretty much any of our controllers to access all 128 presets on the device. To be clear, they only HAVE 6 presets unless you burn more into the pedal, and for that you need either the phone app or the computer app. After that it's all gravy. Feel free to email our support folks if you need more detailed help, it's not ideal doing a bunch of tech talk in RUclips comments.
@@DisasterAreaDesigns cheers. No problem. I really appreciate you getting back to me. Ill look into it that. It sounds like its going to work tho. Thank you again and again.
After doing the setup as described in this video, my micro also says ch 1 next to source C4. I'm not able to bypass and the preset numbers don't seem to affect anything. Are there presets already loaded or do I need to load them from scratch?
Sounds like it's not connected, then. Make sure that you've configured the C4 to use MIDI channel 1 and that Skip USB Power Check is set to ON in the Neuro App or Desktop. then make sure you have the cabling right - adapter to DMC, then cable to adapter and C4 (or Ultrawave, Spectrum, etc they all work the same.) If that doesn't work hit up our support folks from the website.
@@nickpelkey The C4, Ultrawave, etc. all have six presets loaded from the factory, so as long as you are loading any of those you should hear and see the pedal respond - is the upper small LED blinking on the Source Audio pedal? If not, then you're not connected properly. Again, this is way out of scope for RUclips comments, please hit up our actual support people ASAP so they can get you up and running.
Question for you about CC messages. I'm using the DMC.mirco Pro with the C4 (which is awesome) Something I haven't been able to figure out is how to make CC calls to the C4 to toggle the bypass switch on or off (CC# 105). I'm sending the CC to the DMC.micro Pro from a Matthews Futurist. PC works perfectly. I'm just not able to get CC messages to pass through the USB of the C4. Thanks! This video was super helpful. :)
Perhaps I could look this up, but your perspective is valuable and maybe there are others who could befefit from your answer. I own a few Source Audio pedals but the only one I wish I had access to tons of presets at my feet is the C4. That's why I question whether the Neural Network environment is right for me. So, unfair question: do you feel your product might be the way to go for my situation?
Allen, I have this midi controller showing up any day now to use with my C4. From everything I've seen, and for the handful of presets I wish to access in a live playing environment, this purchase will be worth it's weight in gold. The only thing I see as a drawback, is the amount of cabling I need to zip tie together and tuck out of the way for my board to stay clean. But, it means my C4 can sit top row of my board while I use the controller to access and active my C4. Pretty slick
@@bassplayertalk5561 let us know how it all comes together when you're finished. I may rewire my board to accommodate this unit if it makes sense for me in my particular circumstance.
Two questions:
1. Is there a way to have the micro pro start up with the device bypassed? I have my c4 set to start up bypassed, but the dmc micro starts up showing the device active. So I have to press and hold the alt button twice so that the micro pro is back and sync and controlling the c4.
2. In preset mode is there a way to set it so I can scroll through the presets without activating the c4. I have named my presets and would like to be able to scroll through them to find the right one without also turning on the c4, then I can switch back to device mode and activate the c4 when it's time to use it.
Is there any way that we could use 2 Source Audio pedal with the ghost adaptor?
Looking forward to learning how to connect using mini USB b to mini USB b cable.
Oh, it usually works fine. Connect them up, do the steps from this video, and set “Skip USB MIDI Power Check” in the Neuro App or Desktop for the C4.
@@DisasterAreaDesigns Thanks, missed that bit out. Always read the manual properly. 👍
@@DisasterAreaDesigns Thank you, I was about to ask the exact same question . . male to male mini usb cable (6", right angle to straight, come in package of 2) doesn't work out of the box .. I have a spare one for free if anyone in Toronto / Canada wants it for their C4 and DMC.Micro
@@tree-style Yes, exactly - the C4 checks to see whether there is bus power on the USB, and if not it doesn't communicate. The DMC.micro and other DMC Gen3 devices DO send power on the port but only if the "ID" pin is set correctly, which is one of the things the gHOST adapter cable does. I asked Source Audio to disable the check to support those rare cases when we don't have power present on the port.
@@DisasterAreaDesigns the DMC.micro is brillant .. it really opens things up with my C4 .. thank you again
hello, its possible control the C4 with TRS cable too? thanks
Can this be hooked up to the C4 and another pedal via the midi out (e.g. a whammy) and be able to scroll through each of the presets/intervals independently? Like hold to change pedal instead of hold to bypass?
Thanks heaps
Yes, actually you would hold the right footswitch to switch between C4 (device A) and the Whammy (device B.)
My c4 didn't come with a usb cable what should i do about that?
Any USB A to Mini-B cable with "sync" capability should work fine. We do sell a cable as part of our gHOST Adapter kit, but you may be able to find one for less locally. If you need both the gHOST adapter dongle and the cable, our kit costs about what you'd pay from any online source.
I have been trying to set mine up using this video with no luck and have a couple notes into customer support. I'm open to this being an end user issue. My version on boot up is FW 2.02c
Ser # 3 92
I was having issues as well but I found that setting the MIDI channel to one on the Neuro App and then making sure I use the USB and ghost cable provided AND they are plugged into the devices with the proper end fixed the problem! It mattered in my case which end of of the USB and ghost cable went into the two devices. You wouldn’t think it would matter but it sure did for me. Works fine now.
@BillonBass Nice. When I ordered my pedal off eBay, it didn't come with any cables. I ended up having to order their gHost cable as the one I got off Amazon was junk. Made ALL the difference.
Question about the C4. Can you easily scan through presets or do you have to access them one click at a time? Also, can you simultaneously play a preset and search through presets?
Now that 9 months have passed I can answer. You can have 3 green and 3 red presets for a total of 6 at any given time. If you want a different 6 you have to connect via USB or headphone jack control and go into the software and update your pedal with the 6 you wanna use.
This guy's awesome pedal allows you to scan through ALL the presets from your feet, without a PC
Hi,I was on a forum and someone said that you can get Midi between the C4 and micro using the Neuro cable that comes with the C4..That is plug the 1/8 jack to the C4 control jack then the 1/4 inch jack to the multi jack on the micro...Is this true and if so what is the proceedure on the micro?...I don't have a Neuro Hub..just the Neuro cable that comes with the C4..The reason I said this is I have another pedal(non Source Audio) which I want to control by Midi on the Micro also..I suggested that I get a ghost adapter then get a USB to dual jack mini b adapter to plug into both pedals..but the forum said this won't work..They said I can go the neuro cable route way leaving the usb mini port on the micro available for the other non SA pedal through a ghost adapter set up etc...
Kind of depends what all the pedals you want to control are, but we can help you figure it out. Please email support through the website if you haven't already and we can help you sort it.
@@DisasterAreaDesigns Thanks I will..
Dear Reader,
I have:
1. DMC.micro PRO fw v2.01 and C4 fw v1.18 connected via the gHOST cable.
2. Both factory reset like in the video and the DMC.micro reset to the C4 setup like in the video.
3. DMC.micro set to USB Mode HOST.
4. "Skip USB-MIDI Power Check" set to ON in the Neuro app.
5. Power cycled both units several times, unplugged and re-plugged the cables multiple times, tried other cables other than the one supplied with the gHOST kit. Have not been able to replace the tiny cable.
6. Not been able to see the C4 react in any way to the DMC.micro.
Please send help.
Well, sounds like you've tried all the reasonable things. If you haven't replaced the adapter cable, then that is the next step I would try. The only other recommendation I have is to make sure that the C4 is set to use MIDI CHANNEL 1 in the Neuro App / Desktop. It won't work with the DMC on any other channels. You should also make sure that the DMC.micro CLOCK mode is set to OFF, at least for troubleshooting purposes. And if none of that works please contact support at disasterareadesigs dot com for help, as we don't monitor the comments section and sometimes days go by without us knowing you need assistance!
@@DisasterAreaDesigns Update! I just received and tested another Mini-USB OTG adapter cable and here I am switching around my way too many presets. Thanks!
I've used my DMC Micro PRO with my C4 for over a year now, they have lived on my pedalboard. All of sudden they wont communicate with each other anymore. I've swapped USB cables and factory reset both items and they still wont communicate. Might I need a firmware update for the DMC Micro PRO? Do you have a video for that procedure? I already updated the C4 in the Neuro app.
I figured it out! It had nothing to do with the MDC Micro Pro. I had to go into the Neuro App for the C4 and turn on USB-MIDI skip power check, under Hardware Options.
@@ROCKENBACHTX YOU ARE THE MAN ! MANY THANKS FOR THIS
Hello i'm just new to midi foot controllers been checking the D.A. Videos hoping i learn something from your videos. i recently purchased the dmc micro pro for my C4. Since i'm from Canada to far to get the ghost adapter, and you mentioned about usb mini b to mini b cable and it has a special setup! Is that vidoe available cos i only have that mini b to mini b! Thanks in advance i love you product still have to learn how touse it!
Look for a USB mini-B OTG adapter, that's the best solution.
I have two classic micro's. Updated to the 2.0.
One Micro controls 3 Source Audio pedals (C4, Nemesis and Aftershock) and an Alexander F13. I'm using the SA Neuro Hub.
The 2nd Micro controls 3 Meris pedals(Enzo, Polymoon and Mercury 7) and a CBA Warped Vinyl. The Meris pedals are hooked into a Meris I/O.
All of this go into a couple of Midi Solutions Thru boxes and off to the Micro's.
All 3 SA pedals are hooked to the Hub with 3.5mm TRRS plugs.
The Meris pedals are TRS plugs into the I/O.
I'm having a hard time getting things to work or recognized.
The CBA and Mercury 7 are the only two that I can control.
What are the proper device name settings under the dev choices?
Don't know if there is a step I'm missing with the hub or just everything.
That's a lot for a RUclips comment - best to email support @ disasterareadesigns . com for some tech assistance.
Yes it is a lot!! Before I move forward with communications I'm going to rewatch the proper videos of yours and go through all the steps again. Hopefully this does the trick.
Thanks for your great product!
is it possible to connect with muti jack and switch presets?
Not sure what you mean exactly but the C4 requires MIDI over USB and can't accept it any other way. The only exception is using the Source Audio HUB, which is a different protocol (not exactly MIDI) over 1/8" TRRS mini-jack. No other non-Hub devices support this protocol, so you must use USB.
You guys are awesome. Just sayin'.
Hi. What's the difference between the standard DMC micro and the pro model?
Can I use the standard model to cycle through the C4 effects?
Only the display hardware is different. You can update the Classic / LED4 model to the new firmware here: disasterareadesigns.com/dmc-beta
@@DisasterAreaDesigns fantastic. I'll order one now then. Thanks
Or not, the advert on Google I saw just goes to a blank page and you are also sold out of them. Back to the drawing board it is then.
@@davidlisteresq We no longer make the Classic version, grab the Pro as seen in the video. ^^^
@@DisasterAreaDesigns Maybe. It just seems really expensive for what it is. I just need a way to press the next and previous buttons during a show. I think I'll try and find something else that does that job, or build my own little device first.
Is it possible to control 2 USB midi devices simultaneously, like say 2 C4s? or a C4 and Zoom multi stomp using 1 DMC unit?
No, it's not. You can use a DMC and a micro.ghost to control two units if you need that.
This may be exactly what I’m looking for, and to possibly ease the buyers “regret” I’ve been feeling. Hopefully i understand this pedal. This is my issue. Ever since I saw the first review for the source auto Ultrawave (bass) Ive been looking forward to getting one. I don’t have a “desktop” computer, just an ipad and iPhone. I was hoping that was all I needed, to be able to use all the functions of the pedal, but now that i have the SA Ultrawave, I’m not sure that’s the case. I’m able to get into the app…via headphone jack, but for whatever reason not via usb/lighting port.
ANYWAY…I’m loving the community presets and found a way to make a lengthy (not unlike this comment…sorry for that) preset list, but am only able to access the first 6 with “just the pedal”. Before returning it, i thought, maybe ill get the midi pedal (just to scroll through the presets), then realized “if this pedal is stumping me, I’m sure the whole “midi” thing will just give me brain damage. Then i saw this…
Will this pedal scroll through presets? Are the presets actually saved to the SA Ultrawave pedal itself? With this pedal…will I always have to be attached to a computer to access all the presets? And can i do all of this with my setup (sans desktop) or should i just realize, with my computer ignorance, I’m not qualified to have a pedal like this?
If this question is to stupid to answer, I’ll understand. I’m just frustrated with my own stupidity. Thank you for at least reading this. Cheers
You can set up the Source Audio pedals just fine using the 1/4" cable to your phone, and after that you can use the DMC.micro or pretty much any of our controllers to access all 128 presets on the device. To be clear, they only HAVE 6 presets unless you burn more into the pedal, and for that you need either the phone app or the computer app. After that it's all gravy. Feel free to email our support folks if you need more detailed help, it's not ideal doing a bunch of tech talk in RUclips comments.
@@DisasterAreaDesigns cheers. No problem. I really appreciate you getting back to me. Ill look into it that. It sounds like its going to work tho. Thank you again and again.
After doing the setup as described in this video, my micro also says ch 1 next to source C4.
I'm not able to bypass and the preset numbers don't seem to affect anything. Are there presets already loaded or do I need to load them from scratch?
Sounds like it's not connected, then. Make sure that you've configured the C4 to use MIDI channel 1 and that Skip USB Power Check is set to ON in the Neuro App or Desktop. then make sure you have the cabling right - adapter to DMC, then cable to adapter and C4 (or Ultrawave, Spectrum, etc they all work the same.) If that doesn't work hit up our support folks from the website.
@DisasterAreaDesigns would you suggest preset mode or what you see etc?
@@nickpelkey The C4, Ultrawave, etc. all have six presets loaded from the factory, so as long as you are loading any of those you should hear and see the pedal respond - is the upper small LED blinking on the Source Audio pedal? If not, then you're not connected properly. Again, this is way out of scope for RUclips comments, please hit up our actual support people ASAP so they can get you up and running.
This looks like it does what I would like to be able to do but can you name the presets rather than have them numbered?
yes
I have buy today dmc micro pro !
Question for you about CC messages. I'm using the DMC.mirco Pro with the C4 (which is awesome) Something I haven't been able to figure out is how to make CC calls to the C4 to toggle the bypass switch on or off (CC# 105). I'm sending the CC to the DMC.micro Pro from a Matthews Futurist. PC works perfectly. I'm just not able to get CC messages to pass through the USB of the C4. Thanks! This video was super helpful. :)
Try this: ruclips.net/video/WBlSE6a7ecw/видео.html
Thank You!!
Perhaps I could look this up, but your perspective is valuable and maybe there are others who could befefit from your answer.
I own a few Source Audio pedals but the only one I wish I had access to tons of presets at my feet is the C4. That's why I question whether the Neural Network environment is right for me.
So, unfair question: do you feel your product might be the way to go for my situation?
Up to you. I have a C4 on my personal board and don’t know how I’d manage without a controller of some type.
Allen, I have this midi controller showing up any day now to use with my C4. From everything I've seen, and for the handful of presets I wish to access in a live playing environment, this purchase will be worth it's weight in gold. The only thing I see as a drawback, is the amount of cabling I need to zip tie together and tuck out of the way for my board to stay clean. But, it means my C4 can sit top row of my board while I use the controller to access and active my C4. Pretty slick
@@bassplayertalk5561 let us know how it all comes together when you're finished. I may rewire my board to accommodate this unit if it makes sense for me in my particular circumstance.