if music is a hobby get the Neve UAD Plugin, If you BELIEVE in your music ability and your on a journey to becoming a serious Professional Musician get the Analogue Neve 1073 SPX. I'd get the Hardware Neve.
This is how I’ve always felt about the path I’ve taken to save money for hardware. I’m glad someone is out there who feels the same. It seems like a trivial justification for spending a lot of money but it’s absolutely not.
There's a 3d effect you get from hardware that you can't get in the digital realm. The best plugins have the "character" of the real thing at best. The more you stack stems from analog vs digital the wider that gap in sonic excellence becomes.
no there isn't lol that's called "placebo effect" and "sunk cost fallacy" there's no such thing as "3d affect" on mono audio lmao. the only "3d effect" in audio is called dolby atmos surround sound which is ... wait for it ... SOFTWARE!!! 😂 some day these myths and delusions will die smh
@@xlilxillx "3d" is description of a sonic characteristic. If you can't hear it you might need you're ears checked or simply just don't have trained ears to begin with. There's not a huge community of people buying and mixing in Analog for a placebo affect. Plugins will always have their place which is why many of us have hybrid setups. Also Adobe Atmos still need the right hardware to work correctly. You also focused on Mono as if stereo also doesn't exist still. All of which missed the point in the first place. You may also want to look into the difference in what happens with you clip using hardware vs software. Since YOU can't hear the difference I recommend you buy a scope so that you can SEE the difference between the 2. They simply yield different characteristics sonically. Which isn't even rocket science in 2023.
@@v3zMedia i think there is a lot of people buying hardware either because they’re duped by the marketing “dude it like sounds more 3D!” Or they just want to flex or charge more for studio time or even just the novelty and nostalgia of it. Any sound hardware can make can be replicated via software cheaper and easier & on more channels. Oversampling and floating point push any digital artifacts out of the audible range, but it doesn’t really matter anyway. A good song or good marketing will overcome any audio imperfection. Every major album has audible clipping, ppl just don’t notice or don’t care. It’s only important to audio engineers & snobs like us lol and I’ve learned not to care so much either. UAD in the box with smashed clipping masters are winning grammys these days 🤷🏼♂️ Money is much better spent on marketing than anything else
@@v3zMedia I have used software plugins for over 10 years and the biggest difference for recording vocals for me recently was using a hardware UA LA-610 MK II. It puts my plugin stack to shame. The difference in loudness is ridiculous, I can not believe how much I can boost the actual volume, it sounds so fat and huge but it all just blends so well together at the same time. I went from using like 7 plugins to just a simple compressor and reverb, and it sounds SO much better. I like to think I was getting a really decent sound with plugins, but a good hardware preamp is so underrated in my opinion. I do get @xlilxillx's point for sure, the software can get some great effects. I still think it's twice as much work using software plugins, while using hardware is practically effortless. I can not emphasize enough what this does for my vocals, it just makes the nuances shine. I kept thinking I was the issue, but this thing just blew me away, and I can hear it on so many great recordings.
Confused: if I'm using 8, 9 mics at a time when I'm tracking my drums, I would need 8, 9 hardware 1073 units. Right? Seeing I'm not a pro producer, plugin would be the obvious choice right?! I don't get this about the hardware vs plugin discussion...
Yes, you would need one for each mic. There are 8 channel racks with just the preamps available for less money, but it’s still pricey. If you have a limited budget then there are better ways to spend your money.
@@henrikpetersson3463well, I’m privileged I’m don’t have to on a limited budget, but “limited budget” is an understatement in this case. If you’re not a pro, it doesn’t make any sense switching to hardware imho.
I found the same difference in volume with my 1073 vs the UAD plugin when its on the Unison slot. The plugin volume is louder when its on a UA Console insert. Pretty weird.
me too I have to boost the output to the max with input gain at -40 and I feel like it´s too low but if I bost the input gain the red knob it just sound too harsh so i don´t understand what I´m supposed to do to get clean sound and good levels
What problems you had with the hardware? I’m having problems now where I’m not getting that much gain from it. It’s like it was working good now it’s not working all of a sudden
I had a problem where the high-end eq stopped working multiple times. If you push on it too hard there’s a possibility that it will stop working. Definitely check out Customer service from where you got it from. They may be able to help you with getting another one, as that has been the case with me. Thanks for watching!
The truth is that most music listeners can't tell the difference between hardware and software, so comparing the two is nothing but waste of time and energy. It all comes down to how good the overall song sounds ❤🙏
@@jvonnjvonn4688 the other issue is when you start. Stacking vocals the plug in will create more noise with the more tracks. Then if you had two Neve unit you could put it across your mix buss
@@nndei Maybe some can feel the difference but I can't see this being the case for most casual music listeners. They only get to hear the song provided to them and I find it hard to believe they would stop listening to a song because that vocal wasn't recorded through a Neve preamp.
I really can't hear significant difference...maybe other than I may hear from different individual units...perhaps the accumulation of too many loud noises, etc. on my ears over the decades may be the culprit. Nonetheless, thanks for sharing. I am sure that the hardware is better, based on experiences some years ago. All things considered, I'm going to continue with the software in my hobbyist studio setup. Again, thanks for sharing. God bless.
@@30killabeatz Hell yeah noticed a difference immediately. Can you tell me the issues you had with your hardware unit so I can look out for any of those issues with my own unit .
@priiintplayzz6219 I'm talking about asking what issues he had so we look out for them I need to know what to look out for cause I got mines second hand and I over paid by 200 just so I didn't lose out on it lol
Nice! let me know what you think when you get it! I love using it to mix a whole song! here's my video on that! ruclips.net/video/W0owbGATL5U/видео.html
Not trying to be funny but, I do not hear much of a difference. The UAD plugin works good in unison as simulate the transformer. Try using the plugin with outboard LA2A. You will think twice about the 1073 alone.
yeah, that is without the output nob too lol I think you can add a few more db there too 😂 the uad still sounds nice, it needs a lot more boost on the output nob to get something volume wise in the same ball park. The neve prestine on the whole frequency spectrum, uad can get a bit harsh on the top end when you boost a bit, the lows are also great, but on the hardware it takes it to another level
Bro, neither of them has a compressor (1.28). Also, your hardware is a 1073SPX. I believe the UAD version is modeled on a much older version of the 1073, so you wouldn't expect them to be exactly the same. If I had the space & money, I would love a hardware unit but the plugin is so close, I use the plugin all day long. And of course, you can use the plugin multiple times in your DAW, which you can't do with the hardware (unless you print the audio with multiple passes).
I'm considering getting the DPA and bouncing tracks through it prior to any mix effects. (Including tracking through it). I LOVE the UAD 1084 - I thought it was the closest to analog. Recently found 'VoosteEQ Model N' plugin that takes a bit longer to dail in, but that gets even closer... It's crazy how close the digital space has gotten. Not QUITE there yet though.
hardware is a giant waste of money, other than using it as an excuse to charge more, but that doesn't really work so well when you're in a home studio recording broke ass rappers so ... software always gets the W.
It's a real Neve 1073. If it's made by AMS Neve, it's definitely a real Neve 1073. it's not a clone. I understand some of the original electronic components are not availble now, but vintage units sound different from one another anyway.
Not about the equipment about the mixing engineer.. ya you can’t polish a turd but you can definitely polish anything if you’re a pro at what you do… please people work on “ mixing “ for the love of god
True but equipment plays a big roll!! If someone sent you a mix and they are a really good artist but they used a usb headset or Apple headphone microphone for the song and told you they want to sound like Drake or future it’s gonna sound like crap regardless of mixing skills
@@30killabeatz most definitely you can my man !!!.. Lupe Fiasco did it on his Drill Music In Zion album.. and it sounds better then your mixes.. work on mixing brotha man.. if you can just get a clean vocal recording.. regardless of the nuances etc etc… you’re good. It’s 2023 bro just the hard truth.. he used a 100 dollar usb mic and some cheap ass interface.. look it up
@@genesisnkaidence8519 lmao just because he made a great song with cheap stuff doesn’t mean It’s better to use cheap stuff and I just heard it. Definitely didn’t sound good at all lmao vocals are drowned out by the music. Too much reverb. not fan of the quality of that song. I can definitely tell he used cheap shit. The song not even on billboards! The gear I used won Grammies. Step your gear up brother It’s 2023
@@30killabeatz at this point you’re just reaching.. the gear you’re using was made in the 1990’s and you’re falling for the price.. including your mic.. yes don’t get me wrong I have an apollo twin X a Tlm 193 Yamaha hs7’s.. and just for vocals that’s all you need.. lol but an acoustically treated room is key.. my man I wish you tue best but your mixes don’t sound better then his.. and that’s coming from a guy that’s been mixing for 10 years and I promise you this.. his mixes still sound better then both of ours combined.. he just recorded the raw vocals and his engineer mixed it.. understand I’m not trying to argue but ya man your stuff is way too compressed and too much bass In your vocals.. idk if you have a booth but your mixes sound beginner still
@@30killabeatz Bruh practice on the mixing it's not the equipment it's how you use it, if any engineer relies on hardware that much I would be skeptical on them doing a great job anyway.
LIKE THE VIDEO GANG!
if music is a hobby get the Neve UAD Plugin, If you BELIEVE in your music ability and your on a journey to becoming a serious Professional Musician get the Analogue Neve 1073 SPX. I'd get the Hardware Neve.
Big faxxx! Both is still great! I still use the plugin from time to time but the hardware is on another level!
This is how I’ve always felt about the path I’ve taken to save money for hardware. I’m glad someone is out there who feels the same. It seems like a trivial justification for spending a lot of money but it’s absolutely not.
@@jackcannata5201ima go for the hard ware
It’s always gonna be a hobby but I love toys
There's a 3d effect you get from hardware that you can't get in the digital realm. The best plugins have the "character" of the real thing at best. The more you stack stems from analog vs digital the wider that gap in sonic excellence becomes.
BIG FAXX! Thanks for watching!
no there isn't lol that's called "placebo effect" and "sunk cost fallacy" there's no such thing as "3d affect" on mono audio lmao. the only "3d effect" in audio is called dolby atmos surround sound which is ... wait for it ... SOFTWARE!!! 😂 some day these myths and delusions will die smh
@@xlilxillx "3d" is description of a sonic characteristic. If you can't hear it you might need you're ears checked or simply just don't have trained ears to begin with. There's not a huge community of people buying and mixing in Analog for a placebo affect. Plugins will always have their place which is why many of us have hybrid setups. Also Adobe Atmos still need the right hardware to work correctly. You also focused on Mono as if stereo also doesn't exist still. All of which missed the point in the first place. You may also want to look into the difference in what happens with you clip using hardware vs software. Since YOU can't hear the difference I recommend you buy a scope so that you can SEE the difference between the 2. They simply yield different characteristics sonically. Which isn't even rocket science in 2023.
@@v3zMedia i think there is a lot of people buying hardware either because they’re duped by the marketing “dude it like sounds more 3D!” Or they just want to flex or charge more for studio time or even just the novelty and nostalgia of it. Any sound hardware can make can be replicated via software cheaper and easier & on more channels. Oversampling and floating point push any digital artifacts out of the audible range, but it doesn’t really matter anyway. A good song or good marketing will overcome any audio imperfection. Every major album has audible clipping, ppl just don’t notice or don’t care. It’s only important to audio engineers & snobs like us lol and I’ve learned not to care so much either. UAD in the box with smashed clipping masters are winning grammys these days 🤷🏼♂️
Money is much better spent on marketing than anything else
@@v3zMedia I have used software plugins for over 10 years and the biggest difference for recording vocals for me recently was using a hardware UA LA-610 MK II. It puts my plugin stack to shame. The difference in loudness is ridiculous, I can not believe how much I can boost the actual volume, it sounds so fat and huge but it all just blends so well together at the same time. I went from using like 7 plugins to just a simple compressor and reverb, and it sounds SO much better. I like to think I was getting a really decent sound with plugins, but a good hardware preamp is so underrated in my opinion. I do get @xlilxillx's point for sure, the software can get some great effects. I still think it's twice as much work using software plugins, while using hardware is practically effortless. I can not emphasize enough what this does for my vocals, it just makes the nuances shine. I kept thinking I was the issue, but this thing just blew me away, and I can hear it on so many great recordings.
Confused: if I'm using 8, 9 mics at a time when I'm tracking my drums, I would need 8, 9 hardware 1073 units. Right? Seeing I'm not a pro producer, plugin would be the obvious choice right?! I don't get this about the hardware vs plugin discussion...
Yes, you would need one for each mic. There are 8 channel racks with just the preamps available for less money, but it’s still pricey.
If you have a limited budget then there are better ways to spend your money.
@@henrikpetersson3463well, I’m privileged I’m don’t have to on a limited budget, but “limited budget” is an understatement in this case. If you’re not a pro, it doesn’t make any sense switching to hardware imho.
@ I agree. Not unless you have deep pockets.
Ive got the same setup , but I need a rack. I like the 2u rack on your desk. Do you remember the brand and where you got it?
I found the same difference in volume with my 1073 vs the UAD plugin when its on the Unison slot. The plugin volume is louder when its on a UA Console insert.
Pretty weird.
i have exactly the same problem 🤨
me too I have to boost the output to the max with input gain at -40 and I feel like it´s too low but if I bost the input gain the red knob it just sound too harsh so i don´t understand what I´m supposed to do to get clean sound and good levels
@@nickgarciacrawford put the 1073 in the inserts thats what i do 🤷🏻♂️
Will try that thanks! but doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of using unison?@@Interstell_art
@@Interstell_artsoftware?
What problems you had with the hardware? I’m having problems now where I’m not getting that much gain from it. It’s like it was working good now it’s not working all of a sudden
I had a problem where the high-end eq stopped working multiple times. If you push on it too hard there’s a possibility that it will stop working. Definitely check out Customer service from where you got it from. They may be able to help you with getting another one, as that has been the case with me. Thanks for watching!
@@30killabeatz appreciate it . I have a replacement coming tomorrow
The truth is that most music listeners can't tell the difference between hardware and software, so comparing the two is nothing but waste of time and energy. It all comes down to how good the overall song sounds ❤🙏
right i just think it would look good sitting on a desk
@@jvonnjvonn4688 the other issue is when you start. Stacking vocals the plug in will create more noise with the more tracks. Then if you had two Neve unit you could put it across your mix buss
They can't tell the difference, but they feel it
@@nndei Maybe some can feel the difference but I can't see this being the case for most casual music listeners. They only get to hear the song provided to them and I find it hard to believe they would stop listening to a song because that vocal wasn't recorded through a Neve preamp.
The additional hardware options are solutions for issues that don't exist in digital though
No null test? 😊
I like when you turned down highs on both
Same here gang thanks for watching💪🏽
Can you use the 1073 plugin without an Apollo i have a thunderbolt?
Yes this plug-in is both native and dsp via Apollo.
I really can't hear significant difference...maybe other than I may hear from different individual units...perhaps the accumulation of too many loud noises, etc. on my ears over the decades may be the culprit. Nonetheless, thanks for sharing. I am sure that the hardware is better, based on experiences some years ago. All things considered, I'm going to continue with the software in my hobbyist studio setup. Again, thanks for sharing. God bless.
I have the neve 1073 Spx like you and the Neuman tlm 103 . All ima say is if you serious about making music get that combo 🙏🏿
Big faxx!! It’s gonna turn that microphone into another animal!
@@30killabeatz Hell yeah noticed a difference immediately. Can you tell me the issues you had with your hardware unit so I can look out for any of those issues with my own unit .
@priiintplayzz6219 loL right
@@harpoleon6806 You don’t agree ?
@priiintplayzz6219 I'm talking about asking what issues he had so we look out for them I need to know what to look out for cause I got mines second hand and I over paid by 200 just so I didn't lose out on it lol
The hardware sounds so smooth when you bumped the highs! The uad plugin was good but not as smooth.
Credit microphone company told me the plugin sounds 90% close to the hardware
Would love to hear how they handle powerful signals resonances and all that, that is a huge aspect as well
on vocals, the hardware sounds better and much more fuller and very smooth, digital sounded a bit harsh on the high end on your vocal
Thanks! My Neve is comming this monday🎉🎉🎉
Nice! let me know what you think when you get it! I love using it to mix a whole song! here's my video on that! ruclips.net/video/W0owbGATL5U/видео.html
Hardware is additionally coloured with interface mic pre/line in...don’t get fooled by raw plugin sound!
Why is the damn pre so low like wtf
the difference sonically will be the depth of the sound. Plugins cant match the sound of the transformers in hardware.
Definitely! Still interesting to see! Thanks for watching!
Not trying to be funny but, I do not hear much of a difference. The UAD plugin works good in unison as simulate the transformer. Try using the plugin with outboard LA2A. You will think twice about the 1073 alone.
My mixes are better than 75% of commercial mixes entirely in the box
The real pre has 80 db of gain, the uad interface only has 60db, so they structure the gain differently
80db of gain is wild! But glad I have the hardware! Thanks for watching 💪🏽
yeah, that is without the output nob too lol I think you can add a few more db there too 😂 the uad still sounds nice, it needs a lot more boost on the output nob to get something volume wise in the same ball park. The neve prestine on the whole frequency spectrum, uad can get a bit harsh on the top end when you boost a bit, the lows are also great, but on the hardware it takes it to another level
Bro, neither of them has a compressor (1.28). Also, your hardware is a 1073SPX. I believe the UAD version is modeled on a much older version of the 1073, so you wouldn't expect them to be exactly the same. If I had the space & money, I would love a hardware unit but the plugin is so close, I use the plugin all day long. And of course, you can use the plugin multiple times in your DAW, which you can't do with the hardware (unless you print the audio with multiple passes).
I've been watching your videos for a while now go get yourself a ssl big six gang its a game changer
Nice! What do you use the big six for? Thanks for watching 💪🏽
Im'a cumma holla at you Tyrone, you seem to really know your stuff dawg
Hardware just fills the soundscape more. Im listening with Sennheisers. Definitely a difference
I'm considering getting the DPA and bouncing tracks through it prior to any mix effects.
(Including tracking through it). I LOVE the UAD 1084 - I thought it was the closest to analog. Recently found 'VoosteEQ Model N' plugin that takes a bit longer to dail in, but that gets even closer... It's crazy how close the digital space has gotten. Not QUITE there yet though.
uad 1084 is a better sounding version.. I have both uads 1084 and 1073.. 1073 isnt as smooth and modern as the 1084
Hardware EQ always sounds smoother and more seem less in my opinion
You need The Bae version of The hardware to get The real neve Sound not that cheap version
Yo George Floyd's back in the house everybody! Mah NIman! Keep up the great content brothaman
hardware is a giant waste of money, other than using it as an excuse to charge more, but that doesn't really work so well when you're in a home studio recording broke ass rappers so ... software always gets the W.
LMAO 🤣
@@30killabeatz Why are you laughing it is a giant waste of money I feel sorry for the person taking advice from you on that outlook sad shyte.
i need the neve so bad
Worth every penny!! I even ran a whole song through it track by track and it legit sounds like a console. Thanks for watching!
this is what im missing 1073 and i really like the 1084
The 1084 is already reallly great
i got your point, but compare the real 1073 not the SPX...Even with that 99% can't hear the diference in a blind test...
It's a real Neve 1073. If it's made by AMS Neve, it's definitely a real Neve 1073. it's not a clone.
I understand some of the original electronic components are not availble now, but vintage units sound different from one another anyway.
Nice
Bae 1073 is the best one
Blind test brother, this is the only way to go.
Yes, sir. Still waiting 😎
not enough difference for anyone to care
1st
Gang gang 🔥💪🏽💪🏽
Not about the equipment about the mixing engineer.. ya you can’t polish a turd but you can definitely polish anything if you’re a pro at what you do… please people work on “ mixing “ for the love of god
True but equipment plays a big roll!! If someone sent you a mix and they are a really good artist but they used a usb headset or Apple headphone microphone for the song and told you they want to sound like Drake or future it’s gonna sound like crap regardless of mixing skills
@@30killabeatz most definitely you can my man !!!.. Lupe Fiasco did it on his Drill Music In Zion album.. and it sounds better then your mixes.. work on mixing brotha man.. if you can just get a clean vocal recording.. regardless of the nuances etc etc… you’re good. It’s 2023 bro just the hard truth.. he used a 100 dollar usb mic and some cheap ass interface.. look it up
@@genesisnkaidence8519 lmao just because he made a great song with cheap stuff doesn’t mean It’s better to use cheap stuff and I just heard it. Definitely didn’t sound good at all lmao vocals are drowned out by the music. Too much reverb. not fan of the quality of that song. I can definitely tell he used cheap shit. The song not even on billboards! The gear I used won Grammies. Step your gear up brother It’s 2023
@@30killabeatz at this point you’re just reaching.. the gear you’re using was made in the 1990’s and you’re falling for the price.. including your mic.. yes don’t get me wrong I have an apollo twin X a Tlm 193 Yamaha hs7’s.. and just for vocals that’s all you need.. lol but an acoustically treated room is key.. my man I wish you tue best but your mixes don’t sound better then his.. and that’s coming from a guy that’s been mixing for 10 years and I promise you this.. his mixes still sound better then both of ours combined.. he just recorded the raw vocals and his engineer mixed it.. understand I’m not trying to argue but ya man your stuff is way too compressed and too much bass In your vocals.. idk if you have a booth but your mixes sound beginner still
@@30killabeatz Bruh practice on the mixing it's not the equipment it's how you use it, if any engineer relies on hardware that much I would be skeptical on them doing a great job anyway.