UAD NEVE 1073 vs 1084 Plug-in Comparison Review - New Universal Audio plugin signal test
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- This video is a quick comparison review of the new Universal Audio Neve 1073 vs 1084 plugin. It's the newest plug-in from UAD. I use a saw wave signal to test the effects of both plugins against eachother. It's a great way to see what these plugins are actually doing to your audio. This is compared in Logic Pro using audio units. It really shows off how great these plugin preamps are. And how great these pre-amps are for recording. Especially with the benefit of amazing analog eq.
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This is one of the best videos i've seen so far, is super useful.
Please, do one about the Manley VoxBox
Thanks so much! Sweet! I’ll give that one a shot too! I’ve got a couple videos coming up, I’ll stack that one in ASAP!
I'm glad you did this. I Demod he 1073 and right away with the EQ off i could tell the sound quality had changed. My guitar felt like it sounded better, it was adding some serious character. I heard the 1084 had an identical Pre amp but with extended EQ, so i bought it.
Straight away i thought.....wait whats going on the sound is nowhere near as affected with the EQ off. I thought there is no way anyone could say the Pre amps are the same? Your investigation confirms what i knew before. I thought i was going mad with everyone telling me they are identical.
The 1073 is a lot less transparent (not that the 1084 does notadd character). A lot of the reputation of the 1073 is from musicians who swear by tracking through them. It adds something musical (which may or may not be what you want). The 1084 is not name checked or emulated anywhere near as much as the 1073 for tracking. The 1084 is name checked by producers focused on mixing. A lot of musicians just adore what the 1073 Preamps do, the 1084 just don't add the same thing.
Great observations! Yah, I was really surprised people were saying they were the same pre too!
This is the correct way a comparison is supposed to be done... you earned another sub my friend.. I just bought the 1084 because of you.
Thanks man! I appreciate it. And I agree it’s a great plugin!
Brilliant comparison, thank you! You deserve way more than 427 subscribers... looking forward to seeing your channel grow :)
Thanks so much! Well, I just started up again, sorta recently! But thanks!
I’ve always found a 1073 to be a bit harsh to my ears but I do like and prefer the sound of the 1084
Keep bringing great content, I see this channel continuing to grow really fast! This video was extremely helpful, I own all the UAD Neve plugins except the 1084 and the Luna Neve Summing extension and have been thinking about getting them both, this helped with my 1084 decision, Thanks!👍
Thanks so much man! So glad it’s helpful. Yah, I’ve been impressed with the 1084, and the Neve Summing! I’ll have a video on that soon too. There’s a secret confusing point about the summing, the saturation know is reversed, you turn to the left to increase distortion. I’ll have a video on that soon! Thanks so much for the kind words!
Thx for this... Spent 1 hour on headphones comparing these yesterday and came out liking the 1073 more. Thought it must be placebo but this proves it.
Nice! Glad it helped out!
I had the same exact experience. I liked the 73 as well.
Keep in mind that this is showing only frequency response and there could be dynamic differences between the two "units" that won't show up this way. Typically, UA's modeling gets better over time so I wouldn't be surprised if the 1084 sounds "better" just for that reason. Just a guess. It's very obvious between some of their plugs. Not sure if we've passed that to the point of diminishing returns but I think it's still happening. 1073 = 2014, so 6 years between them. ... By the way, the 10, 12, 18 on the high shelf are frequencies. 1073 is 10K (thus, they look similar when the 1084 is set to 10)...
I believe the hi shelf on the 1073 is 12k
Well done. I knew they were different, but it's nice to see some measurable differences, not just opinion. Great job on the lighting too.
Thanks so much Shiny! I really appreciate it! Yah. I’m really liking it over the 1073 after using it a bit more. I didn’t think I’d be that impressed with it.
Thanks for doing this, man. Sine waves, saw waves, square waves, and noise (pink, brown, white) are all good ways to test frequency response depending on what you're looking for.
Thanks man! I was hoping for something perfectly flat and responsive! The plugin that was mentioned in another comment looks interesting! I tried a few noises, but still a little jittery. Thanks for the comment!
I would suggest using pink noise. Pink noise was designed to be a full spectrum test tone. This is what live engineers use to test with smaart, room calibration, installations, etc..
really great demo, great way to test and try out plugins before committing to the hardware
Voxbox vs Neve would be sweet! Nicely done, I have this plugin, I'll have to use it this way for other comparisons!
Thanks man! I’ll try to work that in!
Great job & review! I’m buying the 1084 after your review
I can hear the difference just tracking a vocal w eqs bypassed for a client. The 1084 was perfect and much better for a pure less hyped in the mids vocal, where as the 1073 could be better suited for a more aggressive push... I love both but use the 1084 more often...its a gem. very clear top end.
This is great comparison man!! Thanks for sharing!
Thank you for the kind comment!!! Anything else you’d like to see?
Awesome video, really cool to see a visual representation of the harmonic distortion. Cheers!
Great comparison 💜 Great channel glad I've found you 👍🏼
Very good, fast, clean comparison. nice video!
Dan what you were putting in was white noise, not a sin wave. A sin wave would have shown up as a single spike.
Good video man. Dope seeing what these two do side to side. Thanks!
Very helpful - thank you for taking the time to create this video.
No problem! Glad you liked it!
I got this at a steal this week along with another 9 UAD plug-ins 😆 long live semi annual discounts!
Nice man!! Congrats! I think it’s worth it!
I just did the same thing got the 999.99 special worth every penny
5 13 absolutely bro! Had them on my wishlist for years! Cleaned them all up 😆
@@5iv3rteen35 For 1,300 bucks you could have purchased a WA12 MK2 black mic preamp from Warm Audio, and an LL2A compressor limiter from Little Labs. The compressor is like three compressors in one, and you can even use it in mastering applications. The other two settings are FET & Vari Mu. UAD will never be better than hardware my friend, and I'm not knocking it because I know they are good at what they do. I'm just saying that if I'm spending a thousand bucks I'm going to get a real deal piece of kit and not just a freakin' plugin. Smh. There's also a channel strip from Art (Voice Channel) that is very dope. It cost just 600 bucks, and you get a mic pre, a compressor, and an EQ, and a de-esser. I hope I haven't offended you, just chiming in. One love.
Thank you kindly. Very useful in helping me learn the usability of Neve plugind
Happy to help!
Best video so far ! Thank you
Dude you said that that the red line would be the 73 and that the white line would be the 84, but then every time you talk about the 73 you point to the white line and every time you talk about the 84 you point to the red line. Which is it? Also sinewaves don't have any harmonics above the fundamental therefor wouldn't look anything even remotely like that. Did you mean a saw wave or something?
I noticed the same thing 😂
I hear you guys. The white is the 1084.
Yah, I had done a warm up video where they were flipped so I confused myself. Sorry bout that
@@cunninghammanor Thanks!
do you record with unison preamp? do you think unison replaces alot of the hardware counter parts?
Yes and yes! Check out my video on recording vocals, it’s a great look at a process of setting up presets to record with!
Great video you convinced me on getting the 1084. Subscribed!
Thanks!! I really appreciate it! It’s a great pre too! Cheers!
Very helpful video! I plan to buy one or the other soon. I’ve been using the 610B and API Vision, but want to hear that classic Neve warmth. What vocal mic do you like or recommend?
Cool Video man thanks. I just got the 1073 because I recorded a drum session with it a few months ago and we have to go redo 3 songs so I bought the 1073 so the session would be the same. 1081 looks cool though. Just one thing I would have liked to see you explore, is what kind of effect the output pot and or fader had, and if the output knob affected/acted like a real unit. What I mean is the hardware has an input and output transformer and while you can drive the input extra hard and attenuate with the output, You can also get some different saturation/harmonics from driving the output transformer. I typically goose the input transformer on my BAE and Great River(just into the yellow so to speak) and then set my output accordingly(usually on the lower side) , but ya, curious to see how the output got modelled. Im sure they made it accurate to the real thing.
Thanks man! Great suggestions! Ill try to incorporate that in some future vids!
Great video! Thanks for doing this!
Try using pink or white noise instead of a sine wave. This analyser in FabFilter plugins might not be the best choice here. I would recommend a different analyser. Something more accurate and with scalable vertical axis. Proper gain staging would also improve the readings. There's a bigger difference EQ-wise among both of them and 1073 or 1084 compared to a 'clean' preamp also.
Thanks for the tips!
Thanks for this great comparison. So
, I go 1084.
Thanks! Awesome video! It’d be nice to see similar comparison between analog 1074(4) and UAD emulated ones! Because on RUclips you may find speech test which is useless, and some other vocal/guitar but not plenty of them, and it always depends on sound material. It would be great to see sine wave comparison.
Thanks
hey great vid. If you use the Logic Pro test tone, put it to needle pulse and bring the hz down to 20hz and turn the anti aliased off to stop the 20k movement. then just turn your Eqs decay all the way up. and you'll have a dead flat line to analyze.
The 1084 has more scooped mids, so a more hi-fi sound. The 1073 has more midrange, which sometimes sounds nasty. In all, the 1084 is warmer, less problematic, and more clear.
I agree!
Incredible! I tried the 1084 and A/Bed against the 1073 that I already have and use a lot - and my ears told me that the press were the same. Normally I don't drive the 1073 as hard as this guys is- like to plus 40- but it's a wonderful illustration that proves that the president are not the same with just a bit more EQ. Fascinating. I'd love to see this filter test with the 1073 vs other preamps- thanks!
Thanks!! Yah, I was surprised myself with the results! I’ll be doing some more tests like this soon!
Hey man, your video is fanstastic! but check it because I think in some moments you're changing the reference colors - preamps by mistake. Cheers!
Yes, thanks, I got a little confused from a previous recording I did, but hopefully the message got through!
Right, I found this confusing. Both the 1073 and 1084 were called the red line at different points. And the white line was pointed at while describing each as well.
Nice content man, great video quality also 👍
Thanks so much! I’m trying to get more content together! Cheers!
Great video!!! I love how you did this
Thanks so much!
Man your a gem, thank you!
Thanks man!
Came across your vids today and have already watched 3. Definitely subscribed. Do you use any REAL preamps when recording into LUNA? I have a Neve Portico 5032 that I've been using with Logic which sounds really good. But I recently downloaded LUNA (I have an Apollo Duo Mkii) and that got me thinking of selling the Portico and getting a couple of good UAD plugin preamps as well as sound processing plugins. But I'm not sure that their preamps will actually work like the actual preamp I have. Can they actually boost gain. If so, is that something that would happen in LUNA or the UAD Console/Control Panel?
Yes! They can, but I find that if you have something you really like already, you should stick with that and try other things on the side. The UA amps are great, but I think they aren’t quite the real thing. That’d why they released the OX amp too. Check that out!
I think you may have gotten turned around at 4:40 but cool vid. thanks
Hah, whoops! Thanks for pointing that out. Yah, I think I’ll do a little vocal gain shootout next between the neves, and hopefully stay on track!
Awesome, thanks for making this. Super useful.
Glad it helped!
Great vid! Do you think maybe the 1073 would go better to a crisp mic such as TLM-103 as its a bit warmer? And what camera are you using in the vid? Looks amazing!
Thanks so much! Interesting question! It’s all a taste thing! Combining crisp and warm sounds great to me! But everyone one has there own preferences! I’m using a Sony a6500 ! Color grading in davinci resolve! I was thinking about doing a few vids on that! Cheers!
Can I ask you, what type of test signal you are using for this frequency response test? It's generated white noise? Thank you
I just picked up the 1073 and I noticed there is a massive difference using it in the Unison slot compared to putting it into an insert. In the Unison slot I have to crank it to like 50 just to even start to get a decent volume, but I also notice even bringing it up to like 65 I only hear a little bit of saturation with my untrained ears. But when I put it in the insert, my mic is blaring at like 40 and there's wayy more saturation which gives me much more control over the sound I want to get. It's weird because everybody talks about how they use their 1073 at like 30-40 and all the presets for vocals are at that level but it's just not possible for me using it in the Unison slot. I bought the plugin and want to get a noticeable amount of saturation so I'm starting to wonder if I should just use it in the insert and say hell with it. Cause right now it almost feels like a waste of money.
Hey Jake, what mic are you using? sounds like your mic may have a really low output, which would be why you are seeing such drastic differences. (Passive mic vs Phantom powered)
@@cunninghammanor Blue Bluebird.
@@TriWaZe just a few things to make sure of, make sure the -20 pad is not on, and make sure phantom power is on for the 1084 plug-in! But yes, I do hear what you are saying about a general difference in volume, I think the unison is trying to approximate the physical devices input level, that’s why in my video I set it to zero. I’d say the insert is like 5x when you use it that way. Experiment and find something you like! It’s really nice to add character on the way in, and just tame harshness with an eq after! So crank it up in the unison!
Do a vocal comparison please
Let me see what I can put together.
Super helpful! Subscribed!
Thanks so much! Glad to hear it!
What about the Neve Preamp plugin, which doesn't have EQ (apparently modeled after 1290), compared to these?
Awesome video! Super helpful!
Thanks Jordan
uad states that the new 1084 has the same gain as the 1073. But it looks different here. Greetings from Germany
Yah, that’s what I thought to, until I tried it. Not sure why there is such a large difference. But I’ll take it
It is neither a sine wave nor a sawtooth waveform you are using. A sawtooth waveform or a sine wave does not result in a flat frequency response throughout the eq spectrum. A sine wave is just a constant tone with no harmonics and a sawtooth has both even and odd harmonics that get lower in amplitude the higher in hertz you go. It looks more like noise to me. But if you really want to show what the plugs are doing, use a sine wave. Then you will see an even tone in both amplitude and frequency and when you use the plugs the harmonics will be more visible.
Dude where ya been? I don't see any new vids in a year or so. Hope all is well.
Thanks for asking Thomas, just regrouping, new setup and planning new vids. Sorry for the delay!
Once I bought my first hardware mic preamp and compressor I never tracked through software again. There is no comparison. And I don't own Neve, I purchased a WA12 MK2 black mic preamp from Warm Audio. Then I purchased an LL2A compressor limiter from Little Labs. Then an optical compressor from Art (Pro VLA 2). Once you track through hardware you'll laugh at the fact that you thought plugins we're so great. I do only use plugins to mix, but for tracking hardware is the way to go. Period.
Thanks for the comment! I totally agree with you! The digital world has become very convenient, but quality lives in hardware! Cheers.
This was helpful
Glad you liked it!
Now THIS is how you compare gear
Thanks man!! Glad you liked it
If you need a technical full spectrum, you should use a white noise. White noise has statistically all frequencies covered with the same amplitude. Pink noise is only good, as it has a decrease in amplitude towards the higher frequencies, so it sounds to our ears more like a "real flat" noise. So if you want to test it graphically with a spectrum analyzer, use white noise. If you want to hear what it does to a perceived flat noise, use pink noise. --> and maybe it would be best if you set your spectrum analyzer to a "mean" setting (of 3s could be), and not just momentary peak analysis.
by the way do you know plugin doctor? it's an app that exactly shows you what the plugin does, in any domain. freq, phase, time. as far as I know.
Thanks! Great tip! I'll play around with that
This is so helpful
Very helpful. Thank you!
Glad you liked it!
Thank you from Brasil!
No prob
Hey man... that was an AWESOME test. I was wondering if you can guide me how you pulled this test and made it happen? Ive got a Warm Audio WA73eq gear which i would love to test and see how it responses. is there a way you can teach me how you did that? Thanks!
Is that hardware?
Yes, obviously... coming into my Apollo twin via xlr
Just use something like the pro q 2 on the channel and you should see real-time results as you adjust it.
Or any spectrum analyzer.
@@cunninghammanor but you are sending some kind of permanent signal, right?
Plugin Doctor by ddmf is a great tool to see what the plugins are doing!
Thanks!! I’ll check it out!
Is that the snare I can hear rattling through the whole video?
No, my voice doesn’t have that much of a presence in the room.
Great Video!!
Thanks so much!
Hi. Sorry to be off topic. I came for the comparison - but gotta ask. What camera do you use for your video? It looks so good. Any special grading afterwards?
No problem!! I love talking about that stuff. Would you like to see a vid on it? It’s good lighting, a Sony a6500, and DaVinci resolve!
Cunningham Manor Thanks. And compliments.
No prob. Also, it’s shot in slog 2. Are you filming stuff as well? What gear are you using?
@@cunninghammanor I'm actually not - but a lot of my friends are professionals.
Well thanks for your question! I’ll probably do a vid on my setup sometime!
I really liked this vid. Can you tell me how you set this up in logic? I don't seem to be as technically minded as you !!!! I'd love to try this on my own. THanks for doing this vid.
Ok, I realized you included the square wave audio file and I figured out how to do it myself. THanks for opening my eyes to this cool test and aweseome way to use the tools :) you rock.
Ok So I messed up. I couldn't figure out how to get this plugin into console and see it reacting live in logic. How do you do that???
Glad you like this! Yah, you've got to turn software monitoring on in the preferences! You have to mute the channel in console otherwise you'll have a double signal happening.
@@cunninghammanor thanks:)
Hi CM! Your voice has some noticeable noise under your voice...gone during silence. Just wondering. Great comparison.
Hey Jay, yah, I’ve resolved the issue now, it was some grounding noise and laptop fan noise. It should be gone in future vids!
so, for the top knob- what's the difference between mic/line. If I'm recording virtual instruments in- it's line that i use?
You can still use either for virtual instruments I believe. It would just about about how much gain you want to add to the signal. (saturation)
UAD 610-A vs 610-B comparison please!
I’ll consider it
I just got my first Apollo and can’t decide which plug-ings to get. I make electronic music. I want culture culture for sure. came with some legacy plug in. So not sure if it’s worth getting one of these two and mini moog filter or Studer tape. What do you recommend?
That’s a hard one to answer! :-) honestly, I would demo all the ones you are thinking about then make some decisions. It really depends on what your needs are: compression, eq, distortion. From what you listed, seems like distortion and saturation is what you are after. I’d say the 1084 for sure, the gain adds a lot to the signal. If you are using Luna, you get oxide for free. Culture vulture is great but heavy on dsp. Studer and ampex are great. Even the moog filter has great distortion built into it. 1084 gives a lot of vibe and flexibility. As do the other pre’s. Hope that helps. Obviously there are a lot of other options, that’s why demo is great.
Thank you! Sure helps. Going to demo them. Best way to know for sure. I did get a decent amount free with the current offers apart from some legacy. Wanted to add some solid plugins to my Arsenal. Thanks for the advice
great vid. many plugins have this configuration of mic/line gain, fader, digitaloutput. i am working to understand the optimal interaction between the three, do you have a quick summary or tip as to how you think of this ? thanks again!
Hey Jonathan! Thanks for the comment. The fundamental is to reach -18 with your signal. The gain will add color, the fader (with UA plugins also has color if raised) and output has no color. So it just depends on if you want to color the signal or not. Not = gain the lowest output the highest. And vice versa for the color version. Plus anywhere in the middle. The vid I did demonstrates what happens across the whole spectrum. Hope that helps!
Cunningham Manor definitely thank you!- so since ua models the fader color characteristics too they give you the digital output for a way of mixing the volume of everything youve done to the sound without further changing it. is this right ?
Yes! That’s correct!
thanks so much
No, thank you!
Great video, very informative. what pre-amp would recommend to record sax?
Wow! Thanks! That’s a tough question! I’d initially say 88rs, just cuz I know Al Schmitt uses that for a lot of his work! But it’s definitely worth trying them all out, if you check out my vocal recording vid, it’s a good method of being able to quickly tryout the preamps over your recording! Also I’m just starting to film a new series looking at every preamp, which will ultimately show the benefits of each preamp! Cheers
@@cunninghammanor just knowing Al Schmitt uses that for a lot of his work is a blessing already.
Thank you brother!
No problem!! Best of luck!!
@@cunninghammanor Man, I tried the demo of the 88rs last night on my Apollo and it is night and day difference, the sax sounded so crisp and I didn`t even spend anytime getting the right levels, just a quick try out. Thanks CM, I will definitely be getting this plug in once the demo expires. Cheers
Awesome!! That’s great to hear! So glad it worked out, and sorry for the damage to your wallet :-)
Cool but I really would've liked if you used a musical example at some point.
I hear you, this is more of a visual excercise! It might always be best to try the demo for real world use!
Avalon 737 please!
Nice! Sounds good! I may need to go through each now! :-)
@@cunninghammanor that'd be awesome! Neve's vs Avalon! Thanks for the content Cunningham
Plugin doctor, from what I heard it shows the actual eq curves & lots of other info
Wow! Thanks so much, I’d never heard of that! I’ll take a look, on $25 as well.
@@cunninghammanor Plus one on Plugin Doctor dude
Nice!! Checking it out!
running a sine wave. Didn't you mean white noise?
I ended up merging multiple sine waves to create the file in the video. I believe white noise was difficult to view the way I’m showing it, but I might revisit!
this video is cool and all but some audio examples would have been nice
I hear you, but that’s what the demo is for! This is just to get an idea of what it might do for you.
1073
Nice!!
Nice vid! Have you used the 1084 already? is it warmer than the 1073? Is it powerful? Cheers!
Thanks. As you see in the vid, the 1073 has a bit more bottom emphasis, with a scooped mid range. But the 1084 seems a lot more versatile with a different flavor. What I love about this is that they are different. I though the gain system would be the same for both units. But it’s not. They do different things
@@cunninghammanor Awesome. Have ever tried an external pre of $700 - $1000 range vs any of the UAD? I was thinking of buying some, but I've seen demos on RUclips and the difference of tone, warmth and power is very little. I know is different when you have the gear right there, so that's why I'm asking. Cheers!
Sorry I didn’t see this question until now. I have recorded with some expensive pre’s. From my perspective, the UA stuff is so close, cheaper and swappable, so it really undermines investing in a lot of hardware. Now, I think there are certain cases, vocals perhaps where you might have a perfect mic and pre for a specific thing. It can be argued both ways, but I’m perfectly happy with recording with ua stuff!
@@cunninghammanor I've seen many real pres vs UAD comparisons and the difference is less than 10% (for me). Now, I've discovered than when you have the gear with you, there is a different perspective. Thank you, for your answer!
Huuuge spike at 20k (around 1dB lol)
It is peculiar isn’t it? I guess it’s all the air you might ever want.
Wonderful video. Can you do a Avalon vs 1073
Thanks! I’m just getting started with a new series looking at each preamp! I’ll keep your suggestion in mind!
@@cunninghammanor thanks mam id really appreciate it 💯🙌🏽
give me the neve 1073 brother
Nice but it’s always better for me to use my ears rather than a visual
I hear you, it’s a bonus way to get an idea of what’s going on! But yes, ear is best
no
:-) nice.
Cunningham Manor sorry Idk what happened to my comment... good concept, but please do it on music. You could slap it on a master bus or something. A master bus is about as real world full frequency as it gets. 👍
snapascrew I hear you! Thanks
4:06 1084 is flat* not 1073. The same in 4:40 🧐
Right! Sorry about that, i had confused myself from a previous edit where they were switched! Cheers!
@@cunninghammanor So 1073 is better than 1084 in that point lol :D
mironas leys I do like that the 1084 has a bit more midrange in it, but yes, it’s up to taste I think. I may need to take a closer look at a final vocal setting and compare what they are doing at that point! But yes, it’s up to your own taste! :-)
@@cunninghammanor Of course it's up to our taste, there is NO RULE! :)
Pink noise that ish..
Nice! Will do
no like
Ok. What don’t you like?
@@cunninghammanor i wanted to hear the difference,not to see it,drums,vocal,bass,acoustic guitar
I understand. But this is a great way to see the difference between the 1073 and 1084 and why you would choose between them. There are move videos coming that will show off how it sounds. Thanks.
Too much talking.
Hah, I’ll work on that! :-)
Great breakdown man, thanks for doing this.
Thanks so much! Glad you liked it!