Can you live with this strategy if they decided to do it? Maybe just for the next game and the one after it'll be back to normal? - Also I had a BUNCH of videos connected to this you can watch that I linked in the description 👍
And the thing is that that's not just me saying that. The community has spoken and I wonder if that's the sacrifice we must make if we have to make any.
@@SamuraiKibijias somebody that’s kind of an outsider when it comes to halo it always seemed to me that the community cared more about the multiplayer since halo 3. Maybe I just saw things the wrong way but I wonder how many casuals are actually in those poles compared to the hardcore community. I’m not saying the campaign shouldn’t be focused on but I just have a feeling that the majority of casual players like multiplayer more and a developer has to cater to the largest part of the community which I would assume is the casual player base.
I´d say, keep the Halo Infinite multiplayer alive, and let another team working from now on on campaign based Halo titles. And for every released campaign title let it translate its features into the Halo Infinite multiplayer. It be a stupid move to leave Halo behind, Halo literally made Xbox what it is today next to Gears of War. Leaving Halo behind is like leaving Gears Of War behind..
That bottom statement is spot on, I agree. So you think 343 should be entirely a multiplayer team for Infinite and not touch Campaigns? Any reasons as to why if that's what you mean?
Keeping infinite alive is a horrible idea considering how bad the technical debt and engine still is, not to mention 343's team will mostly consist of Unreal engine devs. Next Halo game has to be the complete package
Leaving Halo behind is basically giving up on the Xbox brand, and giving up on Xbox is giving up on the gaming Industry. They can't rely on Microsoft OS anymore given the awful decisions they recently made. Made even me want to switch to Linux.
@holmanthehorror6127 dude mtx is essentially part of every game now. They should definitely have cosmetics that you can unlock by leveling up and by events, but I doubt mtx are going away.
Halo has always been a multiplayer game and a story driven narrative to pick one over the other is insane it should be both both should be focused on equally like let’s have a halo game that actually fully comes complete at launch that’s fun to play instead of the live service crap that we have now tbh 343 shouldn’t have halo anymore last great halo game was reach the 343 era just hasn’t had the spark never will in my opinion granted infinite multiplayer is great runs great but it just doesn’t have the spark that halo always had prior to 343 i think halo is now a dying ip never thought that would happen but genuinely halo just isn’t halo anymore
Halo has been one of my favorite video game franchises and it is mainly because of the campaigns. The ability to play a campaign with your friends created a lot of fond memories for me as a kid. Birthday party sleepovers while having a LAN connection to play Slayer on Blood Gulch is a premium memory of mine. But also completing Halo CE on the legendary difficult was also a proud moment. I would definitely love this strategy if they are able to pull off projects like Halo 3 ODST which was a great gem for its time in the Halo universe. Hopefully there are gems like that in the near future.
Agreed. I cherish the multiplayer and obviously I think we should have both BUT I don't think it's worth it to let such a massive gap from Halo not feeling like part of Xbox to make it happen. I'd rather get a Halo Campaign in the next couple years rather than a whole package 4 or 5 years from now.
Just make fans experienced with programming and these engines and etc a part of the team and I’m sure the games will get better. Stop fucking hiring people that don’t like Halo or are just indifferent to it.
Completely agree. The lore, the story of the spartans but most of all the journey of Chief is the Reason why i fell in love with Halo. And it hurts to see what 343 is doing with the campaign. (Sorry if my english is bad, I am Hungarian and started learning english just a few years ago)
They keep us dry of Campaign and story content. Treating each game as a minor story expansion and not a full game. Then they have the audacity to want to get rid of the Chief and replace him. We NEED more studios working on Halo games. at least 2 dedicated studios. How CoD is handled.
@donatturi2339 coalition wouldn't be much better they've allready screwed up gears of war a good amount so they don't Excatly have an entirely better track record then 343 does we'll see how E-Day does but coalition do have their own set of issues like 343 does
They need to hand the campaign to someone who is serious about the lore, the characters, and expanding on the story. The cinematic aesthetic needs to be gritty, industrial, military, and mysterious, inviting you to explore a bit. No grapple, no charge or ground pound. But the characters and team needs to make you feel attachment and if they die, make you feel the loss. There needs to be blood again. And for the love of god no DEI or sweet baby anything. Just follow the lore.
I played all halo multiplayers , don’t want to make anyone mad but infinite is the best. The movement is amazing ! The power ups, the hit scan battle rifle and bandit. The launch maps were great just to few I know. It is a modern day version of the slow moving halo 2 and 3 that we all loved! Infinites bugs and problems took to long to fix and a lot of people left the game. But it’s still a great halo multiplayer
I stand with you Spartacus. Maybe not on "the best" but am a firm advocate that Infinite is indeed a great game that is a step in the right direction for the franchise, just needed a better launch and execution. Multiplayer as it is today is kind of a dream come true in many ways.
It is crime we didnt get "next-gen" epic soace opera with amazing animations and sick campaign.... And if the rumors are true that infinate cost 500m then it is mindblowing it wasnt this.
The campaign is the reason we remember Halo. The multiplayer is the extra bit that keeps you having fun with your friends. Get the campaign right and everything else follows from there.
That's what's been crazy to me.. the whole live service idea was literally making all the content releases just features to make it a complete halo game...
@@jonny45k44 Because Halo 5 did it right, it didn't nickel and dime players for every little thing added, and despite some issues here and there, it's still a FAR more functional game than Infinite will ever be.
@megaman37456 No, it would have had to have it's first year of post content at launch for that. The first year of Halo 5s content was finishing the game
This is why I want to bring Xbox into the equation. They'll already have a solid 6 or so running live service titles, do they really need another? I guess if money is all that matters, but I'd imagine keeping an IP alive that was once profitable is just as important?
Great points made in this video. No wonder that with more advanced graphics and gimmicks, even uncomparable to the ones we had back then, Halo still fails to make the spotlight. It needs a better story, something that lets players connect with. This was a great video, and as a fellow who also has Halo as their "GOAT" game, it hit really hard.
Thanks sarmien. It sucks how divided the Halo Community is, but is very understandable. I know many don't agree with this path I'm proposing, but for me it'd personally be worth it and wanted to explain why.
I do think that most of 343i will be focused on Halo multiplayer going forward. If done right at launch, they would get a long stream of revenue and people will talk and interact with the franchise more regularly and longer compared to if they launched a single linear singleplayer campaign. 343i basically laying off a lot of the campaign team early last year shows this mindset for them. They could still have a small campaign team when it comes to the direction of it with most of the work being put on Certain Affinity and other studios. This would be kind of similar to publishing projects like Halo Wars 2 but with them more involved creatively. And just with partnered titles in general, they of course won't stretch themselves too thin, so we still won't see regular spinoffs. Also, 343i ditching the expensive Slipspace for Unreal Engine makes sense if they're just trying to make a content heavy game (to fix on the mistakes of Halo Infinite and previous leadership). UE5 is built first for Fortnite, and it allows them to get more support from Xbox studios and assimilate contractors/support studios into their teams faster.
And that's absolutely fair to do. It totally makes sense one is willing to wait 5+ years to get the whole package. For me I just can't do that with Halo I think...by the time one releases I'll be very starved and perhaps not care. BUT that's just me. I think the question of 4-6 years a Halo package vs 2-3 years a Halo campaign is a very fair debate.
Halo was wrapped up perfectly in halo 3. Halo Reach was a great prequel that was one final send off. Bungie had a great story written but all stories must end
I'm for this to...just AFTER what they introduced in Infinite gets wrapped up. Hell Doom took a 12 year hiatus and then returned hard. If Halo needs to do that then I'll be sad but accept it.
So as a massive halo fan myself, I have some thoughts on this video. First and foremost, I don’t think 2026 is the last chance. I don’t think there will really ever be a last chance. Every single time the community gets fed up with halo and 343, and videos like this one get made, the series just continues to sell. When halo four came out, the backlash was enormous, yet that game out sold all of the previous entries except for halo 3. And then when halo five got announced, and the beta came out, there was backlash, yet it became the fastest selling Xbox one game of all time, and is currently sitting in the top 10 for most sold Xbox one games ever. Same thing with halo infinite, game comes out, game gets a ton of media backlash, and game still puts up impressive numbers. People will just keep buying it because it’s halo. And don’t get me wrong, I do believe that all of the 343 made games have flaws. I also think the bungie made games have flaws too. It’s also worth noting that lately. Xbox themselves have been posting a shit ton of halo content on Twitter and Instagram. If you go to any one of the comment sections on those videos, you’ll see tons of fans, praising Xbox for posting halo and begging them to continue doing it. The love for Halo is there, the demand for future installments is there. I don’t think the series is going anywhere. I do, however think it will be a long time until we hear about the next mainline installment because Microsoft undoubtably wants to take its time and get this one right because they’ve had three failures under 343s leadership. The community as a whole pretty much sums up the three mainline games from 343 this way, halo four had a good campaign, but a bad multiplayer and an uninteresting side mode. It’s also the Only 343 made halo game to launch complete. Halo fives campaign was bad, played well, but the story was not good and the marketing lied to everyone about the plot. The multiplayer, however, is regarded as the best of the best. And the Forge scene in that game was fantastic, that game did not launch complete. Halo infinite had a good campaign, a great bass multiplayer, and great features in the game. For once it seemed like 343 had nailed it. But then a few weeks after launch, it became abundantly clear that the game was lacking content, and the plan for content moving forward was lackluster. The 10 Year Plan for it quickly turned into them finishing the game and forgetting about it. Halo wars two is the only modern halo game that released finished and damn near perfect. Kind of funny considering that 343 didn’t even produce the game, they just own the license. The Master chief collection I don’t even need to bring up. We all remember what happened with that game. Granted it’s in an almost flawless spot now, it took them almost 8 years to get it there. I do have hope for the future of the series. That’s what halo was built on. Hope. Luck. Belief. It’s been pretty much confirmed at this point that there’s multiple halo games in active development. A spin off from certain infinity, the next mainline halo, and an FPS spinoff title from 343. And also a rumored halo one from the ground up remake. If all of these are true, then the future is pretty bright for the series. The last thing I want to say is that I’ve seen a lot of other content creators, panicking because halo was not at the Xbox event and it’s been a while since they have shown off anything new. It’s worth remembering that they originally planned for this game to run for 10 years so since they’ve had to backpedal, they’ve been making new games behind closed doors. They don’t have anything to show off and when you consider the fact that they probably weren’t planning on making an actual game per se for the next 10 years. They were probably going to dump story content into infinite because of the 10 Year Plan. Now that the 10 Year Plan is over and done with it kind of screwed up, their vision for the future but it seems like they’ve gotten everything straightened out behind closed doors. Hopefully in the next year or two, we hear something.
Read your whole article of a comment and I completely agree with absolutely everything you said. I can only imagine how much hate Phil Spencer would get after he said there is no xbox without Halo. We will see if that statement holds up or if those words were just empty PR.
@@CRIMSON-FLAME1 I know my comment was long, but I’ve been a fan of halo my whole life. I was taught how to play halo one when I was very young from an uncle who is no longer here. Halo is incredibly special to me and I’ve treasured each and every release. It’s my most favorite game franchise, I have made so many lifelong friends from playing the game. I mean, I could go on and on. I’m glad there’s people out there that agree with my point of view. I really hope you’re right about Spencer by the way. He’s done a lot of PR bullshit lately so hopefully that comment about Halo is the truth. Time will tell.
@Nope_youre_wrong i can totally understand someone who loves halo this much just like you I started playing halo when it first came out in 2001 when I was 9 years of age my older brother was 11 years old and my youngest brother was 6 years old its crazy talkingabout this at 32 years old. I remember how small my hands were the the original Duke controller yet just because of halo I learned to use it. The halo franchise has seen me go through some hard times to so anytime I see someone that I can relate to I have this urge to respond to them. In a lot of ways halo has kinda kept my life on track watching master chief go through his heroism and also his tougher situations as well. I think through the fanbase halo will stay alive. Halo isn't dead it is just missing in action. There is a clip of Phil Spencer somewhere on RUclips of him saying those words on one the Halo RUclipsrs channels I just don't remember which one. Nobody that has ever seen that will ever let him forget those words.
@@CRIMSON-FLAME1 that’s awesome. Everybody I talk to has a story like that regarding halo. It seems like everybody who likes halo, considers that their most favorite franchise and I can absolutely see why. And same here, I’m a little bit younger than you, 25. Halo has seen me go through some rough times as well. But it’s always been there for me. And even though 343 has let us down at times, halo itself has always been there. I’ve always been able to go back and play all of the games with friends and with family. Halo is the reason Xbox was put on the map in the first place. Halo is the reason why online gaming is what it is today. Without halo Xbox would never have gotten off the ground. I know Phil Spencer knows this. The question is, is he good enough of a head executive to get the job done? Time will tell.
@Nope_youre_wrong halo definitely made xbox live what it is today and if anything halo set the standard for what an online fps should be. Community is for the most part awesome. When you really think about it halo is a video game and a life counselor in one package lol. Sorry to hear about your uncle by the way. Im sure halo brought you to very close. That's something nobody can take away from you my friend. Halo definitely did bring family and friends together like no other game has ever done before especially when land parties were so big. Halo really is a manifestation of happy times. The halo franchise should never die. I have loved the halo franchise roller-coaster with some parts the games having it ups and downs. I hope we all get to continue to ride the halo roller-coaster. It's not about the destination for be its about the adventure. Every ride has its ups and downs but I sure will keep enjoying it while it continues to run. If Phil is smart he will keep the ride rolling mo matter the circumstances. Microsoft and xbox have practically become one in the same so money should be no problem in order for them to get their stuff together and make a phenomenal game especially with unreal engine 5.
sucks cause i dont even care about what happens in the halo story next. they kinda ruined the story for me with halo infinite cause they just did a time jump instead of letting us actually play the events that halo 5 was leading up to which I was actually looking forward to. not sure what they do next in terms of story for me at least. i would honestly be down for a jerome campaign. also no more open world campaigns please I want missions that are compatible to the original trilogy that are adicitng and have a lot of replayability. also infinite was just boring and repetitive.
Yeah I'm for Halo 7 being a more traditional campaign as well. It'll allow much more epic scripted events I think than the open world style would allow perhaps which is something I miss a lot in Halo. Plus the cutscenes and UNSC involvement.
Oh sure! Kind of like Halo 1's first mission after landing on the ring where you can go around now and then, but they are all totally scripted/painted levels with set pieces happening.
@@needum9212I’m all for an open world game for halo but it just needs to be better crafted is all. The same lvl of creativity in previous halo game lvls needs to be put into the open world to make it feel more alive
Good Campaign ≠ New Games, try to relegate it to DLC with max cost of 40$ depending on campaign. Lets also remember that halo multiplayer was pretty much built around the campaigns aswell.
Campaign is important. But what keeps people staying is social features and the communities that spawn from them. If we don’t have the social features from beginning like 2, 3 and Reach, the game is set for failure. People make their lives in these games. People love Halo for so many different reasons. A good campaign is just one part of the massive social network the previous games had. Without these social features there is nothing separating Halo from CoD.
Absolute yes to social features. The video I plug in at the end goes into that a bit, but 100%. Social features is truly what helps keep people coming back to a game.
YES the campaigns. I'm fed up, sick and tired of the stupid multiplayers. Add multiplayer to any shooter and it's the same as any other. Campaigns, characters, stories, acting, music. Throw those together and every game can have its own unique experience to offer.
In my opinion, the best strategy that Xbox could use (and maybe are using) for Halo's future would be to develop multiplayer and campaign games separately, similar to how Bethesda manages their franchises. By outsourcing multiplayer development to studios in Activision-Blizzard, the most experienced developers in the industry, 343 could easily shift focus to creating the singleplayer experiences that they are most known for and what their fanbase wants. Xbox will probably stick to the "10-year plan" for Infinite, but shifts in development can take years before we see tangible results. With Infinite's lack of financial success, it's no surprise that Halo isn't high on Xbox's priority list, as although people like to forget it, Xbox is still a business.
Halo Infinite's campaign is not on par with the Bungie games for many reasons lack of biomes lack of weapons lack of vehicles lack of objectives some people would probably say that Halo Infinite's campaign has plenty of objectives which is kind of true the problem is that the objectives in Halo Infinite are very repetitive
Yeah Infinite's campaign really could have used the UNSC more prominently, different biomes, and more vehicle heavy parts for sure. That's why taking it back to the traditional mission structure would hopefully be great.
It's true. That's why I hope Halo Multiplayer always exists in some way whether if it is Infinite is the general platform one and 7 has a PvE focused thing.
Huh,this is actually pretty similar to what's going on with the Tales series. It's one of the best selling & oldest franchises Bandai has,yet it seems to be getting left behind,the last console spin-off game was ages ago,the latest entry already had a fair gap since the previous one mainly due too switching to a newer engine & a new entry hasn't had any real announcement. Ah damn man, it's not unknown that newer things replace older series & take the place of what once was there,Halo does indeed have a chance to possibly come back swinging but even if it does would that be enough to keep pace with the newer stuff,the older a franchise the more tricky it can be to get new fans & keep old one's,so if & when a series makes a come back like that,from what I seen it usually ends up becoming the last game for that franchise,a final hooray before the slumber. Hurts man,I better be proven wrong,I just got here.
@SamuraiKibiji no lie...I have been brainstorming a PvP Void Halo game for years. I do not Like PvP as a whole...but that's besides the point. A Campaign Only Halo would be amazing...as ling as they do it right.
Like as much as Titanfall 2’s multiplayer is super fun, I feel like people remember it more because of its absolutely legendary campaign. Same goes for the recent Doom games to.
@SamuraiKibiji it's also why games like Skyrim and Fallout still have an active player base to this day. Sure Multi-player has rewards and challenges...but people need a reason to play other than the next armor piece or Spartan Rank. They like seeing their gameplay effect the story. When we defeated Guilty Spark in Halo 3...we didn't just rank up...WE SAVED THE BLASTED GALAXY AND PEOPLE WERE HYPED.
Would you prefer another open world like Halo or the traditional campaign style Ozzy? I can see the advantages/fun of either, but I want those traditional missions personally.
@@SamuraiKibiji I would rather have the traditional campaign style personally, although I did rather enjoy the open world campaign. I think a good Halo 1 style campaign structure would be fun.
Sadly if it's not 343 then Halo will stop development entirely for games. Xbox has seemed to stop funding 3rd parties to develop Halo titles going forward since the announcement of Infinite in 2018 for some reason. They used to be much more about letting other teams handle the IP but now it seems like 343 is all they'll back and if not then they're done with Halo.
Canpaigns for sure, but i think a more accurate thing, they need to focus on making the game fun too. Campaigns from Combat Evolve to Reach, each of these campaigns have insane replayabilty, becuase the physics, gunplay, and level design verity we sweated on by the Old bungie devs. Those Vidocs that always mention the player choice, engagement from moment to moment, and the "why should the player care?" Details are what matter and what ultimately shine through in all those levels. Because they focused on what makes this canpagin, fun.
Player Choice absolutely. I think Infinite did have that, but it was for very repetitive circumstances unlike the traditional campaigns that had bombastic or diverse experiences to apply that choice to. That's why I'm for just scaling it back down to that and having some good scenario/level designers on the team again.
My problem with using another Game Engine is that the developers don't own the Engine but have the license to use it, such as Unreal Engine makes it where you're limited to use the Engine because you don't own it, you don't have access to the full assets and all the features, Only Epic Games does, which is why only their games look good in Unreal Engine and not anyone else's because nobody else owns the rights to fully utilize it, it's better to have your own game engine because it's made by you, you own the assets and have access to every feature available or making your own features, that's why this whole Unreal Engine usage is baffling to me, it's like it's the only game engine people know because of how much the phrase has been tossed around since Unreal Tournament and all these gems that were made by Epic games, but i will admit developers were able to utilize UE3 much better than UE4 and UE5
Halo's story was and is a major part of Halo's soul. Every story 343 has done has been unambitious, inconsistent, and unfocused. Halo's story and lore is a significant part it's success.
I thought the infinite campaign was the worst since of the 343 campaigns (competing with 5, but both suck hard) so I’m pretty glad the campaign team is gone.
As I said before give Halo to Id because Id understands their games and fans. I’ve lost faith in 343 and they lost the Halo privilege. 343 does contract work and they’ve outsourced Halo Infinite to so many different developers. Hell they fired Joe Staten and he didn’t want to leave.
What he’s saying is, we need another ODST situation. A campaign with add ons for the previous Halo Multiplayer. Sounds good to me. (Preferably if the add ons are vehicles and weapons)
That 2nd line there...yes. I think that'd work fine. Each Campaign comes with some kind of huge update/add on to the Infinite Multiplayer. Hopefully they can pull that off but yeah "I" would be ok with that, but am sure many won't be.
For me, it would be a dream for 343 (or anyone else) to take a massive step back, develop a purpose built platform, and crank out new Halo campaigns every two or three years. Other studios out there are capable of that. I would start near the beginning with a Harvest campaign, then adapt key books that hold critical lore or butt up against the games. From First Strike to Onyx to Kilo 5 and onward. Talk about a 10 year plan, that's a 15 year pipeline of content right there. Simultaneously have another studio running a Halo live service, with its own thing and its own rhythm
Sadly it seems Xbox won't hand off Halo as an IP anymore. They were more willing to a few years back, but Infinite kicked off a different era for Halo that was basically exclusively funding 343...If that sticks then that's where I'm trying to figure out the most effective strategy to getting more frequent releases when AAA game development now takes 4-6 years.
I'm 100% a OK with this idea and kind of love it. Heck even the coming up CoD functions this way where Treyarch handled the multiplayer and oversaw Raven handling the campaign I think.
@@PabloBudgaga-ui9gu like it or not we are stuck with 343 and personally they did campaign way better than multi-player in infinite so I thinck they have the potential with all Resources going to just campaign to make a really good one
Listen I’m a halo fan … but if we complain about the long development time for a game … it took kingdom hearts 3 almost 15 years to be released. . . So …
lol ok that's fair. However KH3 started development in 2013 so it was technically more like 6 years and at least both before and after there was SOMETHING Kingdom Hearts to feed fans and keep them alive.
@@SamuraiKibiji kh3 was actually in early development during the development final fantasy versus 13 which was scrapped when they decided to change to luminous engine from the crystal tools engine . Which held kh3 early development along side the development process of the other kingdom hearts games. It was a big problem with square trying to balance out final fantasy and KH . Though I love both franchises in comparison to halo. If I had to play a game over and over again kh1 is my go to . More replayable than halo 1 for the most part. But if halo takes well over 6 years to develop, I hope it’s a full game . But seeing how it’s unreal engine. It might be good. I mean think about the success of gears ⚙️ from unreal 3 to unreal 5
The wisest choice they can do is make the next Halo in UE5, while fixing, improving, and optimizing or entirely rewriting the Blam engine for future use.
I think if they move to Unreal they should stick with it. The physics engine that was used with Blam! can be used in Unreal as well. It'll still feel pretty close to Halo if done right.
@StarTraffic-z1o I haven't played the second yet I'm still in the middle if not near the beginning of the first one. I saved up for a pc so now I'm going to play as many Sony exclusives as I can. Always wanted to play them. I'm sure I will enjoy most of them. I like my linear story games. Something xbox studios kinda sucks at.
@SamuraiKibiji that is what 343 said and I did like it but the open world aspect had barely anything to do. At least in God of war there is a reason to go back to certain places and collect certain items. Halo infinites campaign was good but at the same time after getting the grapple hook I didn't need anything else other than the shield to get through the campaign on legendary. Granted im glad they didn't make it mandatory to use all that stuff as well. I feel similar about God of war as well. Half the moves you unlock seem pointless. You only need two or three things to get kratos to be efficient at fighting but at the same time just like in infinite it's nice to have the options to play the way you want but at the same time not have to use all of that if choose not to.
All they need to do is give us a traditional Halo game with a lenghty story rich campaign. - 2 player matchmaking Co-op with Chief and the Arbiter. Or Chief and spartan Buck. - The weapon and pilot still be relevant. - Take place in more than just the Halo ring. Or at least give us BIOMES. - Marines that drive vehicles - Prioritize Campaign and PvE game modes, not MP. I also think open world does work. if it's made more like ODST and not like Infinite.
Yes to Marines driving vehicles, yes to biomes, and yes to PvE. If I could get that every couple years rather than a full package every 5 then I'd be totally ok/happy with that.
Reality is once a campaign is made, multiplayer is not much more effort. Not sure why the Halo community is pushing for it. Its 2024, halo campaign and multiplayer need to always be made together.
The people who say Halo Infinite’s campaign and multiplayer is on par with Bungie’s Halo games has never played a Bungie Halo game. The gap in quality is so big, you can’t even see the other side
That's why rather than just me saying that, I'm strictly referring to polls and teams that are stating that. The audience is for sure split no doubt, but there is many that would agree with that point along with yours as well. Infinite split the fan base more than any Halo I think.
I wish that were the regular. It absolutely "can" be done, but then I look to Hellblade 2 taking over 5 years to make when it's so short. STILL, at least 343 can scale things down to just doing a campaign rather than the whole package potentially.
My thing with Halo is that it evolved with my childhood from halo CE to Reach and that's all i would play in my younger years, now ever since ive heard the word about 343i taking over the franchise after Reach and partnered on making the game things started going south. Now you're damn right its the campaign makes Halo of what it should be. But after all of my years I've spent with this franchise it started going south with H4, H5 more because of the bloodthirst of multiplayer was really going on during that time within that year. Here is when i decided to officially retire from Halo. All these promises and hearing our demands its been a huge let down for the community and it feels like we're just shouting at these developers on MAKE HALO GREAT AGAIN. But the problem right now is.. most of us are grown up now. But with all the issues that Infinite had and I chose not to play it anymore because of the lack of content, delays and the price tags they throw on for armor, emblems, weapon skins now and even friggin colors. That's not Halo in my eyes.. When 343i did updates to Mcc it started to spark and gave me hope, then out of nowhere now they stopped updating left it as is. And now it seems the dying legends going out in dust now. And you got older players like me sticking around for that because its more fun than Infinite. But they just don't care it seems, at this point im done with Halo and 343i with their shenanigans so last game I played and will ever touch now was Halo: Reach on BtB Heavies on Headstrong. My final message to 343i: Touch grass. Hatred Monster signing out
Halo as a first person shooter franchise has been outdated by call of duty with its quake or doom style gameplay. You can’t aim down sights, and there are no weapon attachments. To compete with modern FPS games they will have to add these features. The Doom reboot series is also flawed for the same reason, how many people you know play Doom Eternal multiplayer? People like weapon attachments, I sure do. Halo infinite got criticized for its mediocre graphics, and I actually wasn’t a fan of the open world sand box they made. The entirety of halo infinite’s campaign lacked a diversity in environments in which every halo game campaign had except halo ODST. Every halo campaign felt like a cool sci fi movie progressing the story to new locations and seeing bad ass moments like Master Chief dive onto an alien ship. Correct me if I’m wrong but I believed the creative director of halo infinite left 343 over what a debacle infinite was and I think Microsoft had some involvement. I think the next halo game will be a launch title for the new Xbox if it comes out in 2026-2028, with an emphasis on graphics since infinite got brute memes. The halo tv show series got a second season so I think they will really push the story. From a fictional point of view, infinite’s campaign was really one long halo campaign mission in master chief’s saga. As for multiplayer, I hope they add more than just cosmetics to unlock but weapon attachments that are visible. We got gun variants in halo infinite which is a slow start in the right direction. Finally, we need the ability to aim down sights for Halo to be endorsed by a generation that never played quake, doom, or combat evolved otherwise the multiplayer side of things will die out. Clearly halo infinite’s release was rushed, and Microsoft is avoiding this, taking their time to make the best Halo game ever and releasing a completed product. They had plenty of other titles to get people excited about in the mean time. Not really sure if 4 years is enough time to accomplish this, so I’m predicting the next Halo game to come out in 2027 or 2028 on future Xbox hardware. Microsoft told the FTC they plan to release a new console in 2028. Months after that there were leaks online about Microsoft releasing a console in 2026. Sony apparently plans to release the PS6 in 2028 so looks like Microsoft wants to beat Sony to the chase and compete with the switch 2 earlier on. In fact, there’s rumors of a Xbox handheld and I suspect Microsoft will announce it in 2025 in time for 2026. I think the handheld will be portable and can be docked to be played on a tv and will be the lower tier option to Microsoft’s next console. Other scenario could be that the rumored 2026 Xbox console is only the handheld and the next Xbox console comes out in 2028 which I’m more than okay with, I want the ultimate gaming console to run Halo!
I hope it is ready for next gen and they commit to it just being ONLY on that next gen system. Yes that could hurt the player base, but it'll make the game much less limited to what's possible.
I'm honestly one of those people that really does not like the idea of that CE Remake...I want Halo to focus on moving forward rather than going back again after having done that for awhile with MCC and the additions to it. Infinite was a step in the right direction and would love to see them continue exploring it with all the resources they got.
@@SamuraiKibiji I don’t think they should let him go however I do think they should have one chief game and after he goes into sleep, there can be a game that shows you what’s happening before the next follow up to the next chief game. Meaning you can play as the bad guys and see there plans and it goes on from there. But also spin offs of different characters we have seen so far and show there story or what they will do. We differently need an arbiter game and a part two of the odst and we need a noble 6 game before reach. But also a game where it uses allot of the enemies we faced in halo wars two. For multiplayer is an easy fix…. That can have a multiplayer that is a 10 year plan and just build on that and add in features and add ons and seasons there and then in that way they don’t have to focus on making new multiplayer and focus more on campaign games and spin offs.
True. Honestly if 343 doesn't make them anymore then Halo is over sadly. Xbox isn't going to fund another team doing it. They already won't even fund side projects of Halo currently. So for speculation sake, I'd prefer them to greenlight 343 scaling back their projects to have more frequent releases rather than only one bigger one every 5+ years.
One must be extremely cautious when asking for yearly or semi-yearly releases, else you'll end up with halfbaked, regurgitated campaign ideas or stories like you've seen in CoD. Be aware of what you're asking for.
@@EldestDamacles correct. That’s why I don’t want one every year or bi yearly, but rather a campaign every 3ish years. Back in the day that’s how long it took to make a complete package but if it means we have to lose part of the package we are used to to focus up then I’m for it if it takes out 40% development time.
You want Halo to get CoD numbers on the daily then you've got to start with MARKETING & cross promotions I know a certain percentage of Halo players are going to hate that but that's how you separate people from their money if 343 put a War Machine armor set in the store everyone would pay a higher price to get it, Robocop, Iron Man, Venom, a retro model Cyclon, I made Annihilus and it looks DOPE AF it could also pass as The Green Goblin I've got a Samus Aran inspired Spartan too DON'T SUE ME NINTENDO 🤣.
Halo’s relevancy is directly tied to its games. If the games are average, its relevancy will dwindle. None of the 343 games really “hit” and the show is bad, so people lose interest. Cyberpunk show was good, and so was the game. Fallout show was good, and so was the game. Make good products and people will show up. Make mediocrity, and your franchise will fall into irrelevancy.
Yeah. I think to make sure that happens they gotta bail on the idea of open world Halo and just go back to traditional missions to help make that more feasible.
If that happens then I'd want at least one more to help close things out better than currently. We need a proper conclusion to what Infinite introduced. After that then who knows, maybe you're right.
I like Halo but I think it's time that we recognize that every single thing has to have an ending. I don't just love the game Halo I love the books and even with the books it just feels like they're running out of stuff to discuss. And I think that's the fundamental problem with the campaigns The storylines are just weak. The story has been told The covenant was defeated. Can't just keep going from one splinter cell group to another splinter cells group with weak ass story lines in the same enemies over and over again. It's okay to let a franchise die and give birth to a new one. I honestly feel like xbox's problem is is that everything has to be either gears or halo. Sony has left so many franchises behind from socom to uncharted even the next last of us is probably going to be the last game in that series. But they keep creating new series like Spider-Man wolverine Ghost of Tsushima. They're not still making killzone 8. It's okay to let Halo go Microsoft should be thinking about something brand new with all their resources they're capable of it. If they announced another Halo tomorrow I'm not going to be excited and that's a problem.
There's a lot of truth in this....I love for things to come to an end. I was once super into the MCU and am not now because of how much more there is. I'd like at least a proper send off to the franchise after things that opened up in Infinite happened...then...then maybe I can say goodbye.
PvP is a key part of Halo's Multiplayer, but I do wonder about a version that's entirely PvE or perhaps a mix...Almost like Doom Eternal's mode. You think something like that would work?
Didn't Gears of War take Halo's place as the premier Xbox 360 launch title? It took 3 years till we got Halo 3 from the systems launch, until then it was Gears of War that was treated as the next gen equivalent to Halo CE.
@SamuraiKibiji I liked most of it. The open world parts seemed half baked. The endless seemed out of place they should have just focused on making the banished the big bad. It's definitely a better campaign than 5.
@@SamuraiKibiji i know your not asking me but i did not like halo infinities campaign cause 343 just skipped all the stuff they were building up to in halo 5 and was what I was excited to actually play. halo infinite story felt small in scale the the open world was just not it. i haven't even replayed infinite and I've replayed halo 5 which is crazy to say lol
when I think about xbox...2 franchises come to mind...gears of war and halo...so I hate it for fans who look forward to what's next, but very little hype if any from the ip holders and it's discouraging to think about the future of xbox with halo on the backburner so to speak...
Exactly. That's why this strategy would hopefully help make for more frequent Halo releases. Yeah they'd be smaller scope, but at least they'd be a reason to stick around in Game Pass. Maybe make them $40 or $50 instead to help emphasize the smaller release.
Rushing it isn't ideal and I don't want that. I also don't want a unfinished Halo to release like we got with Infinite. That's why scaling the project down as I propose here is my idea to keeping the franchise alive. Getting at least 3 Halo Campaigns in 10 years means more to me than getting 1 or 2 complete ones in that time. If Xbox really isn't interested in funding other teams to make Halo titles, then help the one that is release projects more frequently by scaling the projects down to what the community cares about most.
The issue is that the story of the mainline games has been so horribly written (for the most part) and disjointed, that I'm not even looking forward to anymore campaign content. 343's campaigns come off as corporate-funded fanfiction, and that includes Halo Wars 2. The surrounding lore isn't all too good either. The UNSC has recovered way too fast from the war, the splinter Covenant factions haven't been explained at all (aside from the Banished, but that's a spinoff game), the Forerunners had their entire enigma just spilled to us in a series of books instead of having their lore peeled back, organically, through the mainline games that they were introduced in (and that's not to mention that they were originally Ancient Humans instead of a separate species of malformed looking humanoids that look like the result of Voldemort mating with a pug), and now, the Endless or Xanalyn have come out of literally nowhere in a desperate attempt to inject mystery back into the series. If there's going to be another title, I want it to be a hard reboot of the story (and extended media) post-Halo 3 (though I'm partial to Reach staying). I would also ideally want this to be done by another company entirely. I also recognise that these conditions will never be satisfied because realistically, and unfortunately, 343 is here to stay, as is their fanfiction-tier storytelling.
Halo infinites campaign wasnt that good brothers. Open worlds games from 10 years ago are much better in gameplay and sandbox than halo infinite, like far cry 3 for example
For me I think of Halo Infinite as "A open world Halo game" rather than "Just another open world game". If one wanted a massive playground to roam around with Halo lore/mechanics then that's what Infinite did for the franchise for the first time, but if compared to open world games in general then it's meaningless.
Halo isn’t halo without the gameplay or the mechanics that made it halo if you change the gameplay to where it feels completely different is it still the same game? They’ve changed so much lot of the old custom games from halo reach aren’t possible anymore because of 343s crappy physic engine hammer jumps are gone completely they made it competitive when the game was about being dumb casual fun between friends the competitive side came naturally to it forcing it made it 10x worse
I got a lot of games to return by telling xbox to make them. They will bring halo when its ready. It probably underdevelopment but isnt ready to show anything. Gears we werent shown anything for a very long time but it happened. Halo is next on the games im going to push from xbox to continue. We got fable, perfect dark, Indiana jones, and they bought who i told them to buy. Halo is safe, but may be pulled from 343 if xbox doesn't think they can pull it off in unreal engine. They need a reboot unfortunately at this point. I didn't mind infinites campaign other than everyone being killed off with randomly.
You know what...I'm kind of into the idea of a completely fresh Halo game that moves away from Master Chief...I want to see the Infinite story line continue cuz I love Atriox as well as the version of Chief we got, but I really welcome a transition period where they wrap that up and go into a new character/spartan.
@@SamuraiKibijiumm no, if chief isn’t there or they kill him off and we just move onto some other spartan that would actually be horrible. 343 has only made chief act like himself in ONE game and that’s Infinite. That would leave a bitter taste in a lot of fans mouths if they were to just straight up replace chief after how much he’s been mishandled after Halo 3. Like nah bro, don’t just kill him off after years of trying to change him into something he’s not and then the moment you start making chief interesting again he gets replaced. No, if they want to replace chief they need to EARN it, make chief into the spartan 2 that he is and give him the proper send off. Don’t sit there and butcher him and then tape him back up with scotch tape and then go “oKaY nExT”.
Microsoft, Xbox and Phil is not doing anything about this. They don’t care about halo anymore because they have the cash cow…. Call of duty will be replacing halo
I whole heartedly agree with everything in this vid. Infinite was a step in the right direction at its core, but the live service took what was a great leap into a really small step. I will say, NO MORE LIVE SERVICE for this franchise plz. IMO, Halo was always such a W because of how much GAME there was completed day one. More specifically, imo, the customization. Half the enjoyment I got from that game was grinding to unlock armor to make my character look as cool as I wanted, while looking at everyone else’s earned designs. With Infinite, it’s not near as rewarding or motivating as a lot of if not most of the armors people get or simply purchased rather then played for. Just doesn’t hit the same, imo. I played Reach for YEARS after release because of ranking up for more customization, to have that badass Spartan in the cutscenes to see
Spot on in that back paragraph. I get why they did live service and maybe it actually is working business wise (?) but it has taken away so much of the reward feeling of multiplayer and the whole thing felt early access for the first year and a half. I did think they could launch a feature complete Halo game…but imagine how long that’ll take…I’d rather get SOMETHING sooner that is focused rather than another early access feeling thing or wait an extra 2 years to get multiplayer. I feel like we remember games like Titanfall 2 and Doom 2016 not for their multiplayers, but stunningly fun campaigns.
i dont think the live service was the issue they just don't know how to do it the proper way. plus making the multiplayer free to play makes more people wanna try it. if the multiplayer was behind a 60 dollar price then casual people probably wont even buy it cause halo just isn't relevant anymore. most multiplayer games are free now so other people would just rather play the free games instead. sucks but that's where we are at now
And that's absolutely fair. I think the frustrating thing right now is the Halo FanBase/Community has never been this divided. We don't have a unanimous thing that'll make all of us happy while also it being practical. It's tough...
@SamuraiKibiji one team on multi-player and one team on campaign would be their best bet. There are so many ways halo can be great. Do a Royale where you pick up parts to make a master chief suit and repair it in battle. Could be a mode in itself. I dont understand how any one can come up with ideas and these dudes are paid millions to just come up with the same game every year like madden
I'm actually super for this. Hell Black Ops 6 has a similar model where Raven handled the campaign and Treyarch super vised and focused on multiplayer. If future Halo's had something like that I'm super down.
@SamuraiKibiji you should make a video of ideas for halo multi-player maybe it'll blow up and Microsoft will do something about multi-player you never know
That is pure lies about infinites campaign being one of the best, I'll tell you what it was it's a straight copy of farcry 2 from having two tiny map's and a sliver of map for the third piece locked behind the terrible campaign if you could even call it that, im guessing i found all the cores as i was able to fully upgrade myself and have enough leftover to upgrade two more abilities to max which leads me to believe they didn't game test it and was going to be much bigger but was scrapped, most bare bones campaign in halos existence and they call it a RPG don't make me laugh.
All good hibernia. Best thing about art is there is no correct opinion. Mine and others certainly are not while also not being wrong either. We all got our own tastes/thoughts.
@@SamuraiKibiji 35 hours it took me to find every inch of the sandbox, most rpgs would take 60 to 80 hours to comb the map, and all I found was a bunch of stuffed Spartans on mountain tops in caves and in little Nuuk's in shear cliff walls along with most of the skulls, this was worse then fallout 4 and that game was garbage.
Sadly this is kinda true I think...Multiplayer is such a hard thing to stand out in and while Halo I believe "could", it'd be far easier/cheaper to just focus on making stories/experiences that'll stick with audiences.
I might get a lot of heat as hate for my opinion. Halo need major overhaul drastic change like WTF type of change to generate interest again. I think it is time for halo to go 3rd person or at least has it as a mode and the campaign has to be as wow as GOW 2018
Yeah a massive wow factor would be very important to stand out. At this point I think the Halo Community itself just needs more "consistent" wins like there were way back and I think this strat would help address that by focusing on the thing they apparently care about the most.
Can you live with this strategy if they decided to do it? Maybe just for the next game and the one after it'll be back to normal?
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Also I had a BUNCH of videos connected to this you can watch that I linked in the description 👍
"What matters most, is the campaigns” you’re goddamn right
And the thing is that that's not just me saying that. The community has spoken and I wonder if that's the sacrifice we must make if we have to make any.
@@SamuraiKibijias somebody that’s kind of an outsider when it comes to halo it always seemed to me that the community cared more about the multiplayer since halo 3. Maybe I just saw things the wrong way but I wonder how many casuals are actually in those poles compared to the hardcore community. I’m not saying the campaign shouldn’t be focused on but I just have a feeling that the majority of casual players like multiplayer more and a developer has to cater to the largest part of the community which I would assume is the casual player base.
Both matter most. That's coming from myself who has not played a campaign since h2.
I´d say, keep the Halo Infinite multiplayer alive, and let another team working from now on on campaign based Halo titles.
And for every released campaign title let it translate its features into the Halo Infinite multiplayer.
It be a stupid move to leave Halo behind, Halo literally made Xbox what it is today next to Gears of War.
Leaving Halo behind is like leaving Gears Of War behind..
That bottom statement is spot on, I agree. So you think 343 should be entirely a multiplayer team for Infinite and not touch Campaigns? Any reasons as to why if that's what you mean?
Keeping infinite alive is a horrible idea considering how bad the technical debt and engine still is, not to mention 343's team will mostly consist of Unreal engine devs. Next Halo game has to be the complete package
Leaving Halo behind is basically giving up on the Xbox brand, and giving up on Xbox is giving up on the gaming Industry. They can't rely on Microsoft OS anymore given the awful decisions they recently made. Made even me want to switch to Linux.
No, Infinite needs to die, if only because of the atrocious mtx. They need to stop putting in so many MTX and focus on making a good game.
@holmanthehorror6127 dude mtx is essentially part of every game now. They should definitely have cosmetics that you can unlock by leveling up and by events, but I doubt mtx are going away.
Halo has always been a multiplayer game and a story driven narrative to pick one over the other is insane it should be both both should be focused on equally like let’s have a halo game that actually fully comes complete at launch that’s fun to play instead of the live service crap that we have now tbh 343 shouldn’t have halo anymore last great halo game was reach the 343 era just hasn’t had the spark never will in my opinion granted infinite multiplayer is great runs great but it just doesn’t have the spark that halo always had prior to 343 i think halo is now a dying ip never thought that would happen but genuinely halo just isn’t halo anymore
When it first released in 2001. It was mainly about the campaign...
Halo has been one of my favorite video game franchises and it is mainly because of the campaigns. The ability to play a campaign with your friends created a lot of fond memories for me as a kid. Birthday party sleepovers while having a LAN connection to play Slayer on Blood Gulch is a premium memory of mine. But also completing Halo CE on the legendary difficult was also a proud moment. I would definitely love this strategy if they are able to pull off projects like Halo 3 ODST which was a great gem for its time in the Halo universe. Hopefully there are gems like that in the near future.
Agreed. I cherish the multiplayer and obviously I think we should have both BUT I don't think it's worth it to let such a massive gap from Halo not feeling like part of Xbox to make it happen. I'd rather get a Halo Campaign in the next couple years rather than a whole package 4 or 5 years from now.
Call of duty will be the next face for xbox. Would not be surprised if it's on the next cover art on the box
Yes. Exactly. Xbox killed their own Super Mario Level IP with this
I can see that happen
Just make fans experienced with programming and these engines and etc a part of the team and I’m sure the games will get better. Stop fucking hiring people that don’t like Halo or are just indifferent to it.
Whenever i purchased a new halo was not to have a new multiplayer but to experience the campaign to continue the story of Master Chief. Get it done!
Yeah...As much as I love the multiplayers of Halo, I'd rather get a new Campaign in 2 or 3 years than a whole package in 4 or 5.
Completely agree. The lore, the story of the spartans but most of all the journey of Chief is the Reason why i fell in love with Halo. And it hurts to see what 343 is doing with the campaign. (Sorry if my english is bad, I am Hungarian and started learning english just a few years ago)
They keep us dry of Campaign and story content. Treating each game as a minor story expansion and not a full game. Then they have the audacity to want to get rid of the Chief and replace him.
We NEED more studios working on Halo games. at least 2 dedicated studios. How CoD is handled.
@@jhnyjoejoe69 i'd just give the campaign to Coalition and leave the multiplayer to 343
@donatturi2339 coalition wouldn't be much better they've allready screwed up gears of war a good amount so they don't Excatly have an entirely better track record then 343 does we'll see how E-Day does but coalition do have their own set of issues like 343 does
They need to hand the campaign to someone who is serious about the lore, the characters, and expanding on the story. The cinematic aesthetic needs to be gritty, industrial, military, and mysterious, inviting you to explore a bit. No grapple, no charge or ground pound. But the characters and team needs to make you feel attachment and if they die, make you feel the loss. There needs to be blood again. And for the love of god no DEI or sweet baby anything. Just follow the lore.
Don't forget the M rating
No good Halo has been "industrial".
Yes to M Rating please
I played all halo multiplayers , don’t want to make anyone mad but infinite is the best. The movement is amazing ! The power ups, the hit scan battle rifle and bandit. The launch maps were great just to few I know. It is a modern day version of the slow moving halo 2 and 3 that we all loved! Infinites bugs and problems took to long to fix and a lot of people left the game. But it’s still a great halo multiplayer
I stand with you Spartacus.
Maybe not on "the best" but am a firm advocate that Infinite is indeed a great game that is a step in the right direction for the franchise, just needed a better launch and execution. Multiplayer as it is today is kind of a dream come true in many ways.
It is crime we didnt get "next-gen" epic soace opera with amazing animations and sick campaign.... And if the rumors are true that infinate cost 500m then it is mindblowing it wasnt this.
The campaign is the reason we remember Halo. The multiplayer is the extra bit that keeps you having fun with your friends. Get the campaign right and everything else follows from there.
That's what's been crazy to me.. the whole live service idea was literally making all the content releases just features to make it a complete halo game...
Which is what the first 85%+ of Halo 5s was, yet it's praised
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Because Halo 5 did it right, it didn't nickel and dime players for every little thing added, and despite some issues here and there, it's still a FAR more functional game than Infinite will ever be.
@megaman37456 Oh its content was better than Infinites.... That's just a REALLY low bar
@@jonny45k44 Except I'd say Halo 5 was easily on par with Reach in terms of multiplayer...excluding spartan charge and ground pound.
@megaman37456 No, it would have had to have it's first year of post content at launch for that. The first year of Halo 5s content was finishing the game
No way 343 is focusing on campaign, every company is ravenous for a piece of the live service pie
This is why I want to bring Xbox into the equation. They'll already have a solid 6 or so running live service titles, do they really need another? I guess if money is all that matters, but I'd imagine keeping an IP alive that was once profitable is just as important?
Great points made in this video. No wonder that with more advanced graphics and gimmicks, even uncomparable to the ones we had back then, Halo still fails to make the spotlight. It needs a better story, something that lets players connect with. This was a great video, and as a fellow who also has Halo as their "GOAT" game, it hit really hard.
Thanks sarmien. It sucks how divided the Halo Community is, but is very understandable. I know many don't agree with this path I'm proposing, but for me it'd personally be worth it and wanted to explain why.
I do think that most of 343i will be focused on Halo multiplayer going forward. If done right at launch, they would get a long stream of revenue and people will talk and interact with the franchise more regularly and longer compared to if they launched a single linear singleplayer campaign. 343i basically laying off a lot of the campaign team early last year shows this mindset for them.
They could still have a small campaign team when it comes to the direction of it with most of the work being put on Certain Affinity and other studios. This would be kind of similar to publishing projects like Halo Wars 2 but with them more involved creatively. And just with partnered titles in general, they of course won't stretch themselves too thin, so we still won't see regular spinoffs.
Also, 343i ditching the expensive Slipspace for Unreal Engine makes sense if they're just trying to make a content heavy game (to fix on the mistakes of Halo Infinite and previous leadership). UE5 is built first for Fortnite, and it allows them to get more support from Xbox studios and assimilate contractors/support studios into their teams faster.
We shouldn't be placing importance on just one, it is important we expect a complete suite of a game.
And that's absolutely fair to do. It totally makes sense one is willing to wait 5+ years to get the whole package. For me I just can't do that with Halo I think...by the time one releases I'll be very starved and perhaps not care. BUT that's just me. I think the question of 4-6 years a Halo package vs 2-3 years a Halo campaign is a very fair debate.
Halo was wrapped up perfectly in halo 3. Halo Reach was a great prequel that was one final send off. Bungie had a great story written but all stories must end
I'm for this to...just AFTER what they introduced in Infinite gets wrapped up. Hell Doom took a 12 year hiatus and then returned hard. If Halo needs to do that then I'll be sad but accept it.
So as a massive halo fan myself, I have some thoughts on this video. First and foremost, I don’t think 2026 is the last chance. I don’t think there will really ever be a last chance. Every single time the community gets fed up with halo and 343, and videos like this one get made, the series just continues to sell. When halo four came out, the backlash was enormous, yet that game out sold all of the previous entries except for halo 3. And then when halo five got announced, and the beta came out, there was backlash, yet it became the fastest selling Xbox one game of all time, and is currently sitting in the top 10 for most sold Xbox one games ever. Same thing with halo infinite, game comes out, game gets a ton of media backlash, and game still puts up impressive numbers. People will just keep buying it because it’s halo. And don’t get me wrong, I do believe that all of the 343 made games have flaws. I also think the bungie made games have flaws too. It’s also worth noting that lately. Xbox themselves have been posting a shit ton of halo content on Twitter and Instagram. If you go to any one of the comment sections on those videos, you’ll see tons of fans, praising Xbox for posting halo and begging them to continue doing it. The love for Halo is there, the demand for future installments is there. I don’t think the series is going anywhere. I do, however think it will be a long time until we hear about the next mainline installment because Microsoft undoubtably wants to take its time and get this one right because they’ve had three failures under 343s leadership. The community as a whole pretty much sums up the three mainline games from 343 this way, halo four had a good campaign, but a bad multiplayer and an uninteresting side mode. It’s also the Only 343 made halo game to launch complete. Halo fives campaign was bad, played well, but the story was not good and the marketing lied to everyone about the plot. The multiplayer, however, is regarded as the best of the best. And the Forge scene in that game was fantastic, that game did not launch complete. Halo infinite had a good campaign, a great bass multiplayer, and great features in the game. For once it seemed like 343 had nailed it. But then a few weeks after launch, it became abundantly clear that the game was lacking content, and the plan for content moving forward was lackluster. The 10 Year Plan for it quickly turned into them finishing the game and forgetting about it. Halo wars two is the only modern halo game that released finished and damn near perfect. Kind of funny considering that 343 didn’t even produce the game, they just own the license. The Master chief collection I don’t even need to bring up. We all remember what happened with that game. Granted it’s in an almost flawless spot now, it took them almost 8 years to get it there. I do have hope for the future of the series. That’s what halo was built on. Hope. Luck. Belief. It’s been pretty much confirmed at this point that there’s multiple halo games in active development. A spin off from certain infinity, the next mainline halo, and an FPS spinoff title from 343. And also a rumored halo one from the ground up remake. If all of these are true, then the future is pretty bright for the series. The last thing I want to say is that I’ve seen a lot of other content creators, panicking because halo was not at the Xbox event and it’s been a while since they have shown off anything new. It’s worth remembering that they originally planned for this game to run for 10 years so since they’ve had to backpedal, they’ve been making new games behind closed doors. They don’t have anything to show off and when you consider the fact that they probably weren’t planning on making an actual game per se for the next 10 years. They were probably going to dump story content into infinite because of the 10 Year Plan. Now that the 10 Year Plan is over and done with it kind of screwed up, their vision for the future but it seems like they’ve gotten everything straightened out behind closed doors. Hopefully in the next year or two, we hear something.
Read your whole article of a comment and I completely agree with absolutely everything you said. I can only imagine how much hate Phil Spencer would get after he said there is no xbox without Halo. We will see if that statement holds up or if those words were just empty PR.
@@CRIMSON-FLAME1 I know my comment was long, but I’ve been a fan of halo my whole life. I was taught how to play halo one when I was very young from an uncle who is no longer here. Halo is incredibly special to me and I’ve treasured each and every release. It’s my most favorite game franchise, I have made so many lifelong friends from playing the game. I mean, I could go on and on. I’m glad there’s people out there that agree with my point of view. I really hope you’re right about Spencer by the way. He’s done a lot of PR bullshit lately so hopefully that comment about Halo is the truth. Time will tell.
@Nope_youre_wrong i can totally understand someone who loves halo this much just like you I started playing halo when it first came out in 2001 when I was 9 years of age my older brother was 11 years old and my youngest brother was 6 years old its crazy talkingabout this at 32 years old. I remember how small my hands were the the original Duke controller yet just because of halo I learned to use it. The halo franchise has seen me go through some hard times to so anytime I see someone that I can relate to I have this urge to respond to them. In a lot of ways halo has kinda kept my life on track watching master chief go through his heroism and also his tougher situations as well. I think through the fanbase halo will stay alive. Halo isn't dead it is just missing in action.
There is a clip of Phil Spencer somewhere on RUclips of him saying those words on one the Halo RUclipsrs channels I just don't remember which one. Nobody that has ever seen that will ever let him forget those words.
@@CRIMSON-FLAME1 that’s awesome. Everybody I talk to has a story like that regarding halo. It seems like everybody who likes halo, considers that their most favorite franchise and I can absolutely see why. And same here, I’m a little bit younger than you, 25. Halo has seen me go through some rough times as well. But it’s always been there for me. And even though 343 has let us down at times, halo itself has always been there. I’ve always been able to go back and play all of the games with friends and with family.
Halo is the reason Xbox was put on the map in the first place. Halo is the reason why online gaming is what it is today. Without halo Xbox would never have gotten off the ground. I know Phil Spencer knows this. The question is, is he good enough of a head executive to get the job done? Time will tell.
@Nope_youre_wrong halo definitely made xbox live what it is today and if anything halo set the standard for what an online fps should be. Community is for the most part awesome. When you really think about it halo is a video game and a life counselor in one package lol. Sorry to hear about your uncle by the way. Im sure halo brought you to very close. That's something nobody can take away from you my friend. Halo definitely did bring family and friends together like no other game has ever done before especially when land parties were so big. Halo really is a manifestation of happy times. The halo franchise should never die.
I have loved the halo franchise roller-coaster with some parts the games having it ups and downs. I hope we all get to continue to ride the halo roller-coaster. It's not about the destination for be its about the adventure. Every ride has its ups and downs but I sure will keep enjoying it while it continues to run.
If Phil is smart he will keep the ride rolling mo matter the circumstances. Microsoft and xbox have practically become one in the same so money should be no problem in order for them to get their stuff together and make a phenomenal game especially with unreal engine 5.
sucks cause i dont even care about what happens in the halo story next. they kinda ruined the story for me with halo infinite cause they just did a time jump instead of letting us actually play the events that halo 5 was leading up to which I was actually looking forward to. not sure what they do next in terms of story for me at least. i would honestly be down for a jerome campaign. also no more open world campaigns please I want missions that are compatible to the original trilogy that are adicitng and have a lot of replayability. also infinite was just boring and repetitive.
Yeah I'm for Halo 7 being a more traditional campaign as well. It'll allow much more epic scripted events I think than the open world style would allow perhaps which is something I miss a lot in Halo. Plus the cutscenes and UNSC involvement.
@@SamuraiKibiji maybe have a few open world missions kinda like gears of war 5 had but nothing to crazy.
Oh sure! Kind of like Halo 1's first mission after landing on the ring where you can go around now and then, but they are all totally scripted/painted levels with set pieces happening.
@@SamuraiKibiji yup exactley
@@needum9212I’m all for an open world game for halo but it just needs to be better crafted is all. The same lvl of creativity in previous halo game lvls needs to be put into the open world to make it feel more alive
Good Campaign ≠ New Games, try to relegate it to DLC with max cost of 40$ depending on campaign.
Lets also remember that halo multiplayer was pretty much built around the campaigns aswell.
Campaign is important. But what keeps people staying is social features and the communities that spawn from them. If we don’t have the social features from beginning like 2, 3 and Reach, the game is set for failure. People make their lives in these games. People love Halo for so many different reasons. A good campaign is just one part of the massive social network the previous games had. Without these social features there is nothing separating Halo from CoD.
Absolute yes to social features. The video I plug in at the end goes into that a bit, but 100%. Social features is truly what helps keep people coming back to a game.
YES the campaigns. I'm fed up, sick and tired of the stupid multiplayers. Add multiplayer to any shooter and it's the same as any other. Campaigns, characters, stories, acting, music. Throw those together and every game can have its own unique experience to offer.
Pretty much. Any multiplayer phases out after its first couple months unless it's something really special, but a good story sticks with you forever.
7:41 the open world is a great idea for halo. Infinite was just poor execution.
In my opinion, the best strategy that Xbox could use (and maybe are using) for Halo's future would be to develop multiplayer and campaign games separately, similar to how Bethesda manages their franchises. By outsourcing multiplayer development to studios in Activision-Blizzard, the most experienced developers in the industry, 343 could easily shift focus to creating the singleplayer experiences that they are most known for and what their fanbase wants.
Xbox will probably stick to the "10-year plan" for Infinite, but shifts in development can take years before we see tangible results. With Infinite's lack of financial success, it's no surprise that Halo isn't high on Xbox's priority list, as although people like to forget it, Xbox is still a business.
Great thoughts chanr. Makes sense.
Halo Infinite's campaign is not on par with the Bungie games for many reasons lack of biomes lack of weapons lack of vehicles lack of objectives some people would probably say that Halo Infinite's campaign has plenty of objectives which is kind of true the problem is that the objectives in Halo Infinite are very repetitive
Yeah Infinite's campaign really could have used the UNSC more prominently, different biomes, and more vehicle heavy parts for sure. That's why taking it back to the traditional mission structure would hopefully be great.
Been playing halo since Xbox 360 days been og fan 22 now this is crazy
Campaign can't sell enough to pay the development of Halo.
In Bungie era the Halos were so much cheaper than nowadays...
Fair. This reminds me I need to make my updated Game Pass Math video to dive into this.
Halo is big because of it's multiplayer. It was literally the foundation that started Xbox live.
It's true. That's why I hope Halo Multiplayer always exists in some way whether if it is Infinite is the general platform one and 7 has a PvE focused thing.
Huh,this is actually pretty similar to what's going on with the Tales series.
It's one of the best selling & oldest franchises Bandai has,yet it seems to be getting left behind,the last console spin-off game was ages ago,the latest entry already had a fair gap since the previous one mainly due too switching to a newer engine & a new entry hasn't had any real announcement.
Ah damn man, it's not unknown that newer things replace older series & take the place of what once was there,Halo does indeed have a chance to possibly come back swinging but even if it does would that be enough to keep pace with the newer stuff,the older a franchise the more tricky it can be to get new fans & keep old one's,so if & when a series makes a come back like that,from what I seen it usually ends up becoming the last game for that franchise,a final hooray before the slumber.
Hurts man,I better be proven wrong,I just got here.
Man...I hope you're right. Halo needs it.
Me to. Would you be ok with a Campaign only Halo game?
@SamuraiKibiji no lie...I have been brainstorming a PvP Void Halo game for years.
I do not Like PvP as a whole...but that's besides the point.
A Campaign Only Halo would be amazing...as ling as they do it right.
Like as much as Titanfall 2’s multiplayer is super fun, I feel like people remember it more because of its absolutely legendary campaign. Same goes for the recent Doom games to.
@SamuraiKibiji it's also why games like Skyrim and Fallout still have an active player base to this day. Sure Multi-player has rewards and challenges...but people need a reason to play other than the next armor piece or Spartan Rank.
They like seeing their gameplay effect the story.
When we defeated Guilty Spark in Halo 3...we didn't just rank up...WE SAVED THE BLASTED GALAXY AND PEOPLE WERE HYPED.
Keep infinite as the multiplayer and a separate game designed for campaign only.
I'm down for it. You prefer it to follow up Infinite's style being open zone/world or go back to the traditional mission like experience?
@@SamuraiKibiji Back to traditional.
I liked the open world but getting back to Halo roots is more important to me.
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I really like every Halo game from the first to the last and everything in between. I am dying for a good single player on rails campaign.
Would you prefer another open world like Halo or the traditional campaign style Ozzy? I can see the advantages/fun of either, but I want those traditional missions personally.
@@SamuraiKibiji I would rather have the traditional campaign style personally, although I did rather enjoy the open world campaign. I think a good Halo 1 style campaign structure would be fun.
Comment 95, here's what halo plan moving forward:Have love and care for campaign and multiplayer with a spin off game every 2 to 3 years
I would just hate to see john hang up the suit... So 343 really needs to fix this. Also The campaign is the only thing I play!
All I heard was "make 343"....no 🥷 343 should not Handle Halo anymore they had 10+ to do that.
Sadly if it's not 343 then Halo will stop development entirely for games. Xbox has seemed to stop funding 3rd parties to develop Halo titles going forward since the announcement of Infinite in 2018 for some reason. They used to be much more about letting other teams handle the IP but now it seems like 343 is all they'll back and if not then they're done with Halo.
Canpaigns for sure, but i think a more accurate thing, they need to focus on making the game fun too. Campaigns from Combat Evolve to Reach, each of these campaigns have insane replayabilty, becuase the physics, gunplay, and level design verity we sweated on by the Old bungie devs. Those Vidocs that always mention the player choice, engagement from moment to moment, and the "why should the player care?" Details are what matter and what ultimately shine through in all those levels. Because they focused on what makes this canpagin, fun.
Player Choice absolutely. I think Infinite did have that, but it was for very repetitive circumstances unlike the traditional campaigns that had bombastic or diverse experiences to apply that choice to. That's why I'm for just scaling it back down to that and having some good scenario/level designers on the team again.
Halo ain’t leaving
I hope not
Ranked Multiplayer>>>>>
My problem with using another Game Engine is that the developers don't own the Engine but have the license to use it, such as Unreal Engine makes it where you're limited to use the Engine because you don't own it, you don't have access to the full assets and all the features, Only Epic Games does, which is why only their games look good in Unreal Engine and not anyone else's because nobody else owns the rights to fully utilize it, it's better to have your own game engine because it's made by you, you own the assets and have access to every feature available or making your own features, that's why this whole Unreal Engine usage is baffling to me, it's like it's the only game engine people know because of how much the phrase has been tossed around since Unreal Tournament and all these gems that were made by Epic games, but i will admit
developers were able to utilize UE3 much better than UE4 and UE5
This is one of the best videos I've seen about the "Halo situation" agreed 100% with everything said.
Thanks nomad
Halo's story was and is a major part of Halo's soul. Every story 343 has done has been unambitious, inconsistent, and unfocused. Halo's story and lore is a significant part it's success.
I thought the infinite campaign was the worst since of the 343 campaigns (competing with 5, but both suck hard) so I’m pretty glad the campaign team is gone.
As I said before give Halo to Id because Id understands their games and fans. I’ve lost faith in 343 and they lost the Halo privilege. 343 does contract work and they’ve outsourced Halo Infinite to so many different developers. Hell they fired Joe Staten and he didn’t want to leave.
PLUS....that juicy M Rating coming back to Halo
Halo should take notes from Gears and reboot.
I'm actually very down for a totally fresh start. New characters, no Chief, new plot line, etc.
Consistent good campaigns will be halos saving grace
Very much agreed.
What he’s saying is, we need another ODST situation.
A campaign with add ons for the previous Halo Multiplayer.
Sounds good to me. (Preferably if the add ons are vehicles and weapons)
That 2nd line there...yes. I think that'd work fine. Each Campaign comes with some kind of huge update/add on to the Infinite Multiplayer. Hopefully they can pull that off but yeah "I" would be ok with that, but am sure many won't be.
People: We need good Campaigns and consistent releases.
Microsoft: Got it! lets ditch it and make a cliche multiplayer
Pretty much
For me, it would be a dream for 343 (or anyone else) to take a massive step back, develop a purpose built platform, and crank out new Halo campaigns every two or three years. Other studios out there are capable of that.
I would start near the beginning with a Harvest campaign, then adapt key books that hold critical lore or butt up against the games. From First Strike to Onyx to Kilo 5 and onward.
Talk about a 10 year plan, that's a 15 year pipeline of content right there. Simultaneously have another studio running a Halo live service, with its own thing and its own rhythm
This is a neat idea Rurik
Get one of the studios that Microsoft to handle Halo. 343 have proven time and time again that they overpromise and under deliver with Halo
Sadly it seems Xbox won't hand off Halo as an IP anymore. They were more willing to a few years back, but Infinite kicked off a different era for Halo that was basically exclusively funding 343...If that sticks then that's where I'm trying to figure out the most effective strategy to getting more frequent releases when AAA game development now takes 4-6 years.
Simple 343 work on campaign and certain affinity work on multiplayer
Not sure about 343 working on campaign
I'm 100% a OK with this idea and kind of love it. Heck even the coming up CoD functions this way where Treyarch handled the multiplayer and oversaw Raven handling the campaign I think.
@@PabloBudgaga-ui9gu like it or not we are stuck with 343 and personally they did campaign way better than multi-player in infinite so I thinck they have the potential with all Resources going to just campaign to make a really good one
Listen I’m a halo fan … but if we complain about the long development time for a game … it took kingdom hearts 3 almost 15 years to be released. . . So …
lol ok that's fair. However KH3 started development in 2013 so it was technically more like 6 years and at least both before and after there was SOMETHING Kingdom Hearts to feed fans and keep them alive.
@@SamuraiKibiji kh3 was actually in early development during the development final fantasy versus 13 which was scrapped when they decided to change to luminous engine from the crystal tools engine . Which held kh3 early development along side the development process of the other kingdom hearts games. It was a big problem with square trying to balance out final fantasy and KH . Though I love both franchises in comparison to halo. If I had to play a game over and over again kh1 is my go to . More replayable than halo 1 for the most part. But if halo takes well over 6 years to develop, I hope it’s a full game . But seeing how it’s unreal engine. It might be good. I mean think about the success of gears ⚙️ from unreal 3 to unreal 5
The wisest choice they can do is make the next Halo in UE5, while fixing, improving, and optimizing or entirely rewriting the Blam engine for future use.
I think if they move to Unreal they should stick with it. The physics engine that was used with Blam! can be used in Unreal as well. It'll still feel pretty close to Halo if done right.
Plus. The slip space engine is said to be slightly similar to unreal engine but with a large number of components that made it harder to use .
If the creators of the Halo campaign can make it similar to God of war, then that would be great.
God of War Ragnarok was predictable boring.
@StarTraffic-z1o I haven't played the second yet I'm still in the middle if not near the beginning of the first one. I saved up for a pc so now I'm going to play as many Sony exclusives as I can. Always wanted to play them. I'm sure I will enjoy most of them. I like my linear story games. Something xbox studios kinda sucks at.
I think they were heavily influenced by BOTW and God of War for Infinite based on the world and camera style.
@SamuraiKibiji that is what 343 said and I did like it but the open world aspect had barely anything to do. At least in God of war there is a reason to go back to certain places and collect certain items. Halo infinites campaign was good but at the same time after getting the grapple hook I didn't need anything else other than the shield to get through the campaign on legendary. Granted im glad they didn't make it mandatory to use all that stuff as well.
I feel similar about God of war as well. Half the moves you unlock seem pointless. You only need two or three things to get kratos to be efficient at fighting but at the same time just like in infinite it's nice to have the options to play the way you want but at the same time not have to use all of that if choose not to.
All they need to do is give us a traditional Halo game with a lenghty story rich campaign.
- 2 player matchmaking Co-op with Chief and the Arbiter. Or Chief and spartan Buck.
- The weapon and pilot still be relevant.
- Take place in more than just the Halo ring. Or at least give us BIOMES.
- Marines that drive vehicles
- Prioritize Campaign and PvE game modes, not MP.
I also think open world does work. if it's made more like ODST and not like Infinite.
Yes to Marines driving vehicles, yes to biomes, and yes to PvE. If I could get that every couple years rather than a full package every 5 then I'd be totally ok/happy with that.
@@SamuraiKibiji yeah
Reality is once a campaign is made, multiplayer is not much more effort. Not sure why the Halo community is pushing for it. Its 2024, halo campaign and multiplayer need to always be made together.
Focus on campaign and just keep building on infinite multiplayer.
I'm ok with this. Infinite would need some form of relaunch however to bring people back and that I'm not sure how they'd pull off
Halo 4 and halo infinite are great games and i will die on that hill
@@jacobewington7917 respect
We should get more multiplayer campaigns games like gears of war
The people who say Halo Infinite’s campaign and multiplayer is on par with Bungie’s Halo games has never played a Bungie Halo game. The gap in quality is so big, you can’t even see the other side
That's why rather than just me saying that, I'm strictly referring to polls and teams that are stating that. The audience is for sure split no doubt, but there is many that would agree with that point along with yours as well. Infinite split the fan base more than any Halo I think.
We need more campaigns like halo 2, ce, reach, more stuff like that
Exactly. Just bring it back to traditional mission structure where you are the hope of the UNSC.
All games can be done in 2to3 years with UE5
I wish that were the regular. It absolutely "can" be done, but then I look to Hellblade 2 taking over 5 years to make when it's so short. STILL, at least 343 can scale things down to just doing a campaign rather than the whole package potentially.
Xbox is going to have problems competing against Xbox if they realease a lot of games next year. Then theynhave to go up against GTA 6 good luck.
My thing with Halo is that it evolved with my childhood from halo CE to Reach and that's all i would play in my younger years, now ever since ive heard the word about 343i taking over the franchise after Reach and partnered on making the game things started going south. Now you're damn right its the campaign makes Halo of what it should be. But after all of my years I've spent with this franchise it started going south with H4, H5 more because of the bloodthirst of multiplayer was really going on during that time within that year. Here is when i decided to officially retire from Halo. All these promises and hearing our demands its been a huge let down for the community and it feels like we're just shouting at these developers on MAKE HALO GREAT AGAIN. But the problem right now is.. most of us are grown up now. But with all the issues that Infinite had and I chose not to play it anymore because of the lack of content, delays and the price tags they throw on for armor, emblems, weapon skins now and even friggin colors. That's not Halo in my eyes..
When 343i did updates to Mcc it started to spark and gave me hope, then out of nowhere now they stopped updating left it as is. And now it seems the dying legends going out in dust now. And you got older players like me sticking around for that because its more fun than Infinite. But they just don't care it seems, at this point im done with Halo and 343i with their shenanigans so last game I played and will ever touch now was Halo: Reach on BtB Heavies on Headstrong. My final message to 343i: Touch grass.
Hatred Monster signing out
Halo as a first person shooter franchise has been outdated by call of duty with its quake or doom style gameplay. You can’t aim down sights, and there are no weapon attachments. To compete with modern FPS games they will have to add these features. The Doom reboot series is also flawed for the same reason, how many people you know play Doom Eternal multiplayer? People like weapon attachments, I sure do. Halo infinite got criticized for its mediocre graphics, and I actually wasn’t a fan of the open world sand box they made. The entirety of halo infinite’s campaign lacked a diversity in environments in which every halo game campaign had except halo ODST. Every halo campaign felt like a cool sci fi movie progressing the story to new locations and seeing bad ass moments like Master Chief dive onto an alien ship. Correct me if I’m wrong but I believed the creative director of halo infinite left 343 over what a debacle infinite was and I think Microsoft had some involvement. I think the next halo game will be a launch title for the new Xbox if it comes out in 2026-2028, with an emphasis on graphics since infinite got brute memes. The halo tv show series got a second season so I think they will really push the story. From a fictional point of view, infinite’s campaign was really one long halo campaign mission in master chief’s saga. As for multiplayer, I hope they add more than just cosmetics to unlock but weapon attachments that are visible. We got gun variants in halo infinite which is a slow start in the right direction. Finally, we need the ability to aim down sights for Halo to be endorsed by a generation that never played quake, doom, or combat evolved otherwise the multiplayer side of things will die out. Clearly halo infinite’s release was rushed, and Microsoft is avoiding this, taking their time to make the best Halo game ever and releasing a completed product. They had plenty of other titles to get people excited about in the mean time. Not really sure if 4 years is enough time to accomplish this, so I’m predicting the next Halo game to come out in 2027 or 2028 on future Xbox hardware. Microsoft told the FTC they plan to release a new console in 2028. Months after that there were leaks online about Microsoft releasing a console in 2026. Sony apparently plans to release the PS6 in 2028 so looks like Microsoft wants to beat Sony to the chase and compete with the switch 2 earlier on. In fact, there’s rumors of a Xbox handheld and I suspect Microsoft will announce it in 2025 in time for 2026. I think the handheld will be portable and can be docked to be played on a tv and will be the lower tier option to Microsoft’s next console. Other scenario could be that the rumored 2026 Xbox console is only the handheld and the next Xbox console comes out in 2028 which I’m more than okay with, I want the ultimate gaming console to run Halo!
I hope it is ready for next gen and they commit to it just being ONLY on that next gen system. Yes that could hurt the player base, but it'll make the game much less limited to what's possible.
I’m actually looking forward to the rumored Halo CE Remake in 2026 but yeah we just need a new Halo this generation.
And Idc if it comes to ps5 or not
I'm honestly one of those people that really does not like the idea of that CE Remake...I want Halo to focus on moving forward rather than going back again after having done that for awhile with MCC and the additions to it. Infinite was a step in the right direction and would love to see them continue exploring it with all the resources they got.
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@SamuraiKibiji me too, I want a halo 7
They need to make more spin offs, there’s so many stories they can tell, including the bad guys.
100% . As sad as I'd be to see Chief go, I actually think I'd be ok moving on to other places and characters in Halo Lore.
@@SamuraiKibiji I don’t think they should let him go however I do think they should have one chief game and after he goes into sleep, there can be a game that shows you what’s happening before the next follow up to the next chief game. Meaning you can play as the bad guys and see there plans and it goes on from there.
But also spin offs of different characters we have seen so far and show there story or what they will do. We differently need an arbiter game and a part two of the odst and we need a noble 6 game before reach.
But also a game where it uses allot of the enemies we faced in halo wars two.
For multiplayer is an easy fix…. That can have a multiplayer that is a 10 year plan and just build on that and add in features and add ons and seasons there and then in that way they don’t have to focus on making new multiplayer and focus more on campaign games and spin offs.
I don’t like infinite. I want them to make a sandbox multiplayer game.
These are all great ideas, but, how many times can the fans say what we want, then have it never come?
True. Honestly if 343 doesn't make them anymore then Halo is over sadly. Xbox isn't going to fund another team doing it. They already won't even fund side projects of Halo currently. So for speculation sake, I'd prefer them to greenlight 343 scaling back their projects to have more frequent releases rather than only one bigger one every 5+ years.
One must be extremely cautious when asking for yearly or semi-yearly releases, else you'll end up with halfbaked, regurgitated campaign ideas or stories like you've seen in CoD. Be aware of what you're asking for.
@@EldestDamacles correct. That’s why I don’t want one every year or bi yearly, but rather a campaign every 3ish years. Back in the day that’s how long it took to make a complete package but if it means we have to lose part of the package we are used to to focus up then I’m for it if it takes out 40% development time.
Random thought. Spin off game: Halo souls lol
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You want Halo to get CoD numbers on the daily then you've got to start with MARKETING & cross promotions I know a certain percentage of Halo players are going to hate that but that's how you separate people from their money if 343 put a War Machine armor set in the store everyone would pay a higher price to get it, Robocop, Iron Man, Venom, a retro model Cyclon, I made Annihilus and it looks DOPE AF it could also pass as The Green Goblin I've got a Samus Aran inspired Spartan too DON'T SUE ME NINTENDO 🤣.
I mean...you're not wrong 😅
Halo needs to rest in peace
Why?
@SamuraiKibiji too much controversy, and fans are too sensitive
Halo’s relevancy is directly tied to its games. If the games are average, its relevancy will dwindle. None of the 343 games really “hit” and the show is bad, so people lose interest. Cyberpunk show was good, and so was the game. Fallout show was good, and so was the game.
Make good products and people will show up. Make mediocrity, and your franchise will fall into irrelevancy.
god that halo show sucks lol
I honestly think it’s over for them 343 and Microsoft have flopped this game over and over like they really have never made a good halo game
Campaigm's matter most.
But if it doesn't have splitscreen multiplayer, i'm out.
Yeah. I think to make sure that happens they gotta bail on the idea of open world Halo and just go back to traditional missions to help make that more feasible.
@@SamuraiKibiji very true, has to have split screen multiplayer outside of the campaign too though
I think they should give up on Halo. It's just money chasing and they should chase bigger risks.
If that happens then I'd want at least one more to help close things out better than currently. We need a proper conclusion to what Infinite introduced. After that then who knows, maybe you're right.
Do you still think that Kingdom hearts 4 has a chance to be shown at d23 with the release date of 2025?
Not really related to the video, but yes I do believe there is a chance.
"If we lose our way with Halo, we lose Xbox"
Exactly
I like Halo but I think it's time that we recognize that every single thing has to have an ending. I don't just love the game Halo I love the books and even with the books it just feels like they're running out of stuff to discuss. And I think that's the fundamental problem with the campaigns The storylines are just weak. The story has been told The covenant was defeated. Can't just keep going from one splinter cell group to another splinter cells group with weak ass story lines in the same enemies over and over again. It's okay to let a franchise die and give birth to a new one. I honestly feel like xbox's problem is is that everything has to be either gears or halo. Sony has left so many franchises behind from socom to uncharted even the next last of us is probably going to be the last game in that series. But they keep creating new series like Spider-Man wolverine Ghost of Tsushima. They're not still making killzone 8. It's okay to let Halo go Microsoft should be thinking about something brand new with all their resources they're capable of it. If they announced another Halo tomorrow I'm not going to be excited and that's a problem.
There's a lot of truth in this....I love for things to come to an end. I was once super into the MCU and am not now because of how much more there is. I'd like at least a proper send off to the franchise after things that opened up in Infinite happened...then...then maybe I can say goodbye.
Halo take the helldiver's ingredients
PvP is a key part of Halo's Multiplayer, but I do wonder about a version that's entirely PvE or perhaps a mix...Almost like Doom Eternal's mode. You think something like that would work?
This gonna be the first Xbox generation Gears of War will overtake Halo as the premier Xbox Franchise 😂
@@abdel1143 I mean…very very likely 😅
Gears 4 did that already didn't it when it's only competition was halo 5
Didn't Gears of War take Halo's place as the premier Xbox 360 launch title? It took 3 years till we got Halo 3 from the systems launch, until then it was Gears of War that was treated as the next gen equivalent to Halo CE.
Prequel prequel prequel look at E-day Prequel PREQUEL WHO WANNA SEE MASTER CHIEF AND PLAY AS MASTER CHEIF AS A TEENAGER OR ANNEARLY ADULT
It’s time to do a semi reboot of the franchise were they go back to halo 4 and redo it from there
Or maybe just committing to a new character/story line?
I dont want to hear anything about the next halo until its basically ready to ship. Also 343 shouldn't be the halo team anymore IMO.
@@UndisputedNerd what did you think of Infinite’s campaign?
@SamuraiKibiji I liked most of it. The open world parts seemed half baked. The endless seemed out of place they should have just focused on making the banished the big bad. It's definitely a better campaign than 5.
@@SamuraiKibiji i know your not asking me but i did not like halo infinities campaign cause 343 just skipped all the stuff they were building up to in halo 5 and was what I was excited to actually play. halo infinite story felt small in scale the the open world was just not it. i haven't even replayed infinite and I've replayed halo 5 which is crazy to say lol
when I think about xbox...2 franchises come to mind...gears of war and halo...so I hate it for fans who look forward to what's next, but very little hype if any from the ip holders and it's discouraging to think about the future of xbox with halo on the backburner so to speak...
Exactly. That's why this strategy would hopefully help make for more frequent Halo releases. Yeah they'd be smaller scope, but at least they'd be a reason to stick around in Game Pass. Maybe make them $40 or $50 instead to help emphasize the smaller release.
They can’t sell $30 bundle on campaign
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@@SamuraiKibiji they don’t care about campaign because they can’t sell armour bundles or camo bundles? I thought it was obvious
they should close 343 indisturies and give halo to tango gameworks :D
Too soon :'(
Why rush it?
Rushing it isn't ideal and I don't want that. I also don't want a unfinished Halo to release like we got with Infinite. That's why scaling the project down as I propose here is my idea to keeping the franchise alive. Getting at least 3 Halo Campaigns in 10 years means more to me than getting 1 or 2 complete ones in that time. If Xbox really isn't interested in funding other teams to make Halo titles, then help the one that is release projects more frequently by scaling the projects down to what the community cares about most.
The issue is that the story of the mainline games has been so horribly written (for the most part) and disjointed, that I'm not even looking forward to anymore campaign content. 343's campaigns come off as corporate-funded fanfiction, and that includes Halo Wars 2. The surrounding lore isn't all too good either.
The UNSC has recovered way too fast from the war, the splinter Covenant factions haven't been explained at all (aside from the Banished, but that's a spinoff game), the Forerunners had their entire enigma just spilled to us in a series of books instead of having their lore peeled back, organically, through the mainline games that they were introduced in (and that's not to mention that they were originally Ancient Humans instead of a separate species of malformed looking humanoids that look like the result of Voldemort mating with a pug), and now, the Endless or Xanalyn have come out of literally nowhere in a desperate attempt to inject mystery back into the series.
If there's going to be another title, I want it to be a hard reboot of the story (and extended media) post-Halo 3 (though I'm partial to Reach staying). I would also ideally want this to be done by another company entirely. I also recognise that these conditions will never be satisfied because realistically, and unfortunately, 343 is here to stay, as is their fanfiction-tier storytelling.
Halo infinites campaign wasnt that good brothers. Open worlds games from 10 years ago are much better in gameplay and sandbox than halo infinite, like far cry 3 for example
For me I think of Halo Infinite as "A open world Halo game" rather than "Just another open world game". If one wanted a massive playground to roam around with Halo lore/mechanics then that's what Infinite did for the franchise for the first time, but if compared to open world games in general then it's meaningless.
Halo isn’t halo without the gameplay or the mechanics that made it halo if you change the gameplay to where it feels completely different is it still the same game? They’ve changed so much lot of the old custom games from halo reach aren’t possible anymore because of 343s crappy physic engine hammer jumps are gone completely they made it competitive when the game was about being dumb casual fun between friends the competitive side came naturally to it forcing it made it 10x worse
I got a lot of games to return by telling xbox to make them. They will bring halo when its ready. It probably underdevelopment but isnt ready to show anything.
Gears we werent shown anything for a very long time but it happened.
Halo is next on the games im going to push from xbox to continue.
We got fable, perfect dark, Indiana jones, and they bought who i told them to buy. Halo is safe, but may be pulled from 343 if xbox doesn't think they can pull it off in unreal engine.
They need a reboot unfortunately at this point. I didn't mind infinites campaign other than everyone being killed off with randomly.
You know what...I'm kind of into the idea of a completely fresh Halo game that moves away from Master Chief...I want to see the Infinite story line continue cuz I love Atriox as well as the version of Chief we got, but I really welcome a transition period where they wrap that up and go into a new character/spartan.
@@SamuraiKibijiumm no, if chief isn’t there or they kill him off and we just move onto some other spartan that would actually be horrible. 343 has only made chief act like himself in ONE game and that’s Infinite. That would leave a bitter taste in a lot of fans mouths if they were to just straight up replace chief after how much he’s been mishandled after Halo 3. Like nah bro, don’t just kill him off after years of trying to change him into something he’s not and then the moment you start making chief interesting again he gets replaced. No, if they want to replace chief they need to EARN it, make chief into the spartan 2 that he is and give him the proper send off. Don’t sit there and butcher him and then tape him back up with scotch tape and then go “oKaY nExT”.
Microsoft, Xbox and Phil is not doing anything about this. They don’t care about halo anymore because they have the cash cow…. Call of duty will be replacing halo
I whole heartedly agree with everything in this vid. Infinite was a step in the right direction at its core, but the live service took what was a great leap into a really small step.
I will say, NO MORE LIVE SERVICE for this franchise plz. IMO, Halo was always such a W because of how much GAME there was completed day one. More specifically, imo, the customization. Half the enjoyment I got from that game was grinding to unlock armor to make my character look as cool as I wanted, while looking at everyone else’s earned designs. With Infinite, it’s not near as rewarding or motivating as a lot of if not most of the armors people get or simply purchased rather then played for. Just doesn’t hit the same, imo. I played Reach for YEARS after release because of ranking up for more customization, to have that badass Spartan in the cutscenes to see
Spot on in that back paragraph. I get why they did live service and maybe it actually is working business wise (?) but it has taken away so much of the reward feeling of multiplayer and the whole thing felt early access for the first year and a half.
I did think they could launch a feature complete Halo game…but imagine how long that’ll take…I’d rather get SOMETHING sooner that is focused rather than another early access feeling thing or wait an extra 2 years to get multiplayer.
I feel like we remember games like Titanfall 2 and Doom 2016 not for their multiplayers, but stunningly fun campaigns.
i dont think the live service was the issue they just don't know how to do it the proper way. plus making the multiplayer free to play makes more people wanna try it. if the multiplayer was behind a 60 dollar price then casual people probably wont even buy it cause halo just isn't relevant anymore. most multiplayer games are free now so other people would just rather play the free games instead. sucks but that's where we are at now
I do think that's true in a sense, but then Helldivers 2 threw us for a curve with that theory.
@@SamuraiKibiji thats a good point but that is one game out of the dozens of free to play. its very rare those successes happen
I haven't played the campaign since halo 3 man ain't no way I agree with this
And that's absolutely fair. I think the frustrating thing right now is the Halo FanBase/Community has never been this divided. We don't have a unanimous thing that'll make all of us happy while also it being practical. It's tough...
@SamuraiKibiji one team on multi-player and one team on campaign would be their best bet. There are so many ways halo can be great. Do a Royale where you pick up parts to make a master chief suit and repair it in battle. Could be a mode in itself. I dont understand how any one can come up with ideas and these dudes are paid millions to just come up with the same game every year like madden
I'm actually super for this. Hell Black Ops 6 has a similar model where Raven handled the campaign and Treyarch super vised and focused on multiplayer. If future Halo's had something like that I'm super down.
@SamuraiKibiji you should make a video of ideas for halo multi-player maybe it'll blow up and Microsoft will do something about multi-player you never know
That is pure lies about infinites campaign being one of the best, I'll tell you what it was it's a straight copy of farcry 2 from having two tiny map's and a sliver of map for the third piece locked behind the terrible campaign if you could even call it that, im guessing i found all the cores as i was able to fully upgrade myself and have enough leftover to upgrade two more abilities to max which leads me to believe they didn't game test it and was going to be much bigger but was scrapped, most bare bones campaign in halos existence and they call it a RPG don't make me laugh.
All good hibernia. Best thing about art is there is no correct opinion. Mine and others certainly are not while also not being wrong either. We all got our own tastes/thoughts.
@@SamuraiKibiji 35 hours it took me to find every inch of the sandbox, most rpgs would take 60 to 80 hours to comb the map, and all I found was a bunch of stuffed Spartans on mountain tops in caves and in little Nuuk's in shear cliff walls along with most of the skulls, this was worse then fallout 4 and that game was garbage.
Halo can no longer compete in the multiplayer market. It can still be a top of the line story franchise, like God of War.
Sadly this is kinda true I think...Multiplayer is such a hard thing to stand out in and while Halo I believe "could", it'd be far easier/cheaper to just focus on making stories/experiences that'll stick with audiences.
@@SamuraiKibiji Offer a completely classic Halo multiplayer and people will love it. It just won't make cod numbers.
I might get a lot of heat as hate for my opinion. Halo need major overhaul drastic change like WTF type of change to generate interest again. I think it is time for halo to go 3rd person or at least has it as a mode and the campaign has to be as wow as GOW 2018
Yeah a massive wow factor would be very important to stand out. At this point I think the Halo Community itself just needs more "consistent" wins like there were way back and I think this strat would help address that by focusing on the thing they apparently care about the most.
@@SamuraiKibiji it would be nice to focus on campaign only and only and just use infinite multiplayer aspect for the long run.
Yeah…I mean hopefully they can figure out how to have a nice relaunch of Infinite but yeah focus up on what fans want most