Times The Bad Guys In Movies Were Actually Right
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2024
- Some movie villains are evil just for the sake of it, but there are other bad guys who have nuanced and even sympathetic motivations. Sure, it’s the way they go about getting what they want that makes them the villains, as they resort to extreme and illegal tactics, but let’s be honest; a lot of their beliefs were still right.
The Wicked Witch of the West had just witnessed the murder of her sister and simply wanted the shoes that belonged to her, and it’s not her fault that “Wicked” is right there in her name. Let’s take a look at a few times where movie bad guys were actually right.
#BadGuys #Movies #Films
The Wicked Witch | 0:00
Roy Batty | 1:07
Detective Jack Doyle | 1:55
Principal Ed Rooney | 2:47
Miranda Priestly | 3:44
The U.S. government | 4:28
General Francis Hummel | 5:20
Walter Peck | 5:58
Syndrome | 6:34
The Xenomorph Queen | 7:17
Elijah Price | 8:09
Jigsaw | 9:06
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Killmonger? Magneto? Anakin Skywalker? What other bad guys should've made this list?
Colonel Kurtz
Technically the emperor from star wars if u look at star wars legends and the yu zang vong are the emperor is just trying to save the galaxy by preparing for it and the hole killing all the jedi was just a bonus
Battleship
Those Aliens had tech to detemine if people were hostile or not.
Animal House: As much as we were made to dislike Dean Wormer, he was right to shut down Delta, as they were a disruptive influence and rather a waste of space (although I’m not sure if Omega was that much better).
Looper what about Zemo from Captain America: Civil War?
You forgot Clyde in “Law Abiding Citizen”
I don't know. I know he lost his family. And i know Jamie Foxx's character did wrong by dealing with the killer, but that's not an excuse for Clyde to blow up innocent people.
100% on Clyde's side. Those people were not innocent, they were part of a system that allowed killers and rapist to go free. The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing. I would go on to say those good people who do nothing, can no longer be claimed to be good people.
@@thejesterscapnc Then a suitable goal would be to change the system, so that judges can condemn people on their gut feeling rather than evidence to ensure all potential criminals go to prison. Remember, it's a movie, you know all the facts in Clyde's case but the judge and jury does not know that those two definitely were guilty.
@@danne696 the facts were known, they made a deal for political reasons. The district attorney didn't want to chance losing the case and ruin his conviction rate. edit: Clyde's entire argument was, stop making deals with criminals and I agree. Let a very bad guy off just so he could put another feather in his cap to get higher up the chain to eventually become a judge. we don't need district attorneys with no backbones leading shit and making a deal with criminals, should be criminal and Clyde called bullshit on the whole thing.
@@thejesterscapnc If the facts were known, the DA wouldn't have to chance losing since it would've been a guaranteed win. As far as the DA knew, he made a deal with the person who watched the primary agressor commit rape and murder in order to guarantee that vile person got the maximum punishment.
I hate the whole "jigsaw never actually killed anyone with his own hands" argument. He did. He put them in the traps that ultimately killed them, he built the traps. The only time you could argue otherwise is in movie 2 with the rapist guy since in that case the cop chose to put him in there and had an actual choice (if I remember correctly not putting him in the trap could have saved him time). I guess you could argue a lot of the deaths weren't on him cuz they were on his disciples, but any trap he set up and put people in, he killed them.
Chandra Wagner He let the bihctims decide their own fates. If they die, its their own fault.
William Hallgren I understand the sentiment, but ultimately he put them in and built the traps. They may have had the ability to get out (usually by means of extreme pain and dismemberment) but the fact is, they wouldn't have to make that choice if he hadn't have put them in there. And if they do live, he is still responsible for their maiming.
to be fair, he only built the traps; it was his assistants that put people in them...except for the first one i think; i don't believe he had an assistant in the first film, and he died in like the 3rd one so, and Hoffman took over and went nuts (although he was going cray-cray before that)
Serenity totally a fair point, I thought about that too. However, if we look at someone like Charles Manson, he didn't actually kill anyone, it was his disciples. It's not a good enough excuse for Manson, and it's not a good enough excuse for jigsaw. Plus he is 100% responsible for the first films death. Like in Amanda's trap, the guy who's stomach she dug through, he had no choices. He was paralyzed. Amanda didn't even know she was choosing to dig through a live persons stomach. It's all (up to the third movie) on Kramer, the it's on Hoffman.
his building the traps, or not, was the only point i was countering; i agree with you about him still being responsible tho...i watched Snapped and the ID channel and i see a lot of stories where people masterminded a murder plot and in some cases, got a longer sentence than the person pulling the trigger (or got the same length) but yeah, totally agree, John was so very responsible for those people's deaths even if he didn't touch them himself...at least up until the 3rd film where he died, after that, all Hoffman and with him, it wasn't even about teaching them a lesson, it was just about him wanting complete control of the "game" and just wanting to kill/torture people...Hoffman was doing it for kicks and fun and Kramer, messed up as it was, had a lesson he was trying to teach...
Jigsaw intentions always had a purpose but severely misguided to say the least.
Torture and kidnapping doesn't ensue sympathy.
it worked on amanda...
did it though? he may have "cured" her addiction and suicidal drive but the relationship they displayed in 3 was downright abusive. in the end he was just using her as another pawn. :(
well everyone was his pawn even his wife
yes true but his wife was more of a witting pawn though. imo amanda was still self destructing under john's care, just in ways that benefited him.
did you see the last movie "Jigsaw"? if so what did you think about it?
"Let's face it, pegging the U.S. Government as a villain is not as hard as it used to be." 😆 Epic!!!
They were already the villain in *Gone with the Wind.*
how about magneto
Tililweet rightt
Tililweet BINGO!! I agree; that should have been the top example. How the fuck could Looper have missed that one?
Magnetos main theme was mutant superiority and that all humans will eventually kill all mutants. The superiority complex is absolutely wrong and Xavier fought for inclusion which is the right path. As for all humans trying to exterminate mutants, not only was this only a few humans but magneto is the one who brought this on by attacking first. He stole rogue to turn the world leaders into mutants against their will. He fought before there ever was a fight. He separated mutants and humans instead of judging based on individual actions.
Kevin Walker xmen first class rewrote his character basically. The person in 1st class isnt the same magneto from the orignal trilogy. His character was completely changed and could not possibly have grown into the magneto from the trilogy. The events and tribulations do not match up as well as lessons learned. However i would also argue that in xmen first class magneto wasnt the bad guy lol. Good movie tho. And i love the character. Both versions
didn't he want to kill all non-human
Richard Vernon in “the breakfast club” He was really just doing his job, and was giving up his whole Saturday as well to watch some teenagers in detention.
I never saw The Devil Wears Prada, but a read the book. Although Miranda was ruthless she was a more likable character to me then Andy. The heroine of this story was an irresponsible, self-centered, shiftless little brat. From the start of the story, where she’s going to job interviews wasted I knew she wasn’t going to be my favorite character in literature
The only one I 100% agree with is General Hummel. But to be fair, he was only the villain for most of the movie as his motives and actions became clear near the end.
Yes. I mean, he didn't even wanted to hurt innocent people in the first place. That was only what he wanted the goverment to believe so he could get the money.
The Rock is such an underrated movie!
It's brilliant, but it's sadly got a reputation of being "just another dumb Michael Bay action movie" when it's a smart well acted action drama. Ed Harris as Gen Hummel is brilliant, and complex, essentially a good guy fighting for a noble cause in the wrong way and Sean Connery had great lines and for me was "older Bond"!!
Jigsaw being right is such a stretch.
Nah, he was right. his underlings messed everything up though
Michael Shayne None of them were right about anything.
Jigsaw is definitely right :). What value does life have if the life given is not valued.
No its really not. That rapist deserved it. And so did many others. If I was standing in front of a rapist, I would immediately agree to putting him in one of jigsaw's traps. But at least jigsaw would have some humanity for him and let him live if he survived. I would let the fucker die.
life has no value, value alone is purely a construct. every value of anything is purely symbolical, and thus arbitrary. and jigsaw acted as if his idea of valuing life is a fact. which is extremely hypocritical and batshit stupid. he's a totally not believable character since his traps and stuff pointed that he was intelligent, but his reasoning pointed opposite and is easily dismissed if you take two minutes to think about it.
Uh, putting people in a thing that rips their face open is definitely murdering them with his own hands.
He built the traps with the intention to cause gruesome murder, he trained his followers to kill. I mean, if someone kidnapped somebody, and the victim starved to death, that'd still be murder.
Did he use his hands or a device that rips their face open?
Then no, it's not murdering them with his own hands. Come on, use your brain.
@Zamza also being a snitch pickpocketer drug addict or unsatisfied does not warrant torture and it is with his own hands if he made traps that shoot you for going through the wrong door poison you if you are too slow explode your head if you don't kill a Stranger a mask that impales your face and all the other traps and used them which he did he commited murder direct murder
@@davesprisonbitch8201 he made the traps and they killed people he killed them with his own hands which means directly he murdered them directly he didn't help the murder which would be indirect murder
@Godly Giraffe UWU thats not really hard
The drill sergeant in Full Metal Jacket. He was, after all, just trying to toughen up his recruits to keep them alive when they got to Vietnam.
It's insane to say Jigsaw wasn't a bad guy. Even if he didn't directly murder anyone - which is arguable - he did intentionally cause grievous bodily harm to dozens of people, along with kidnapping and torture. There was no legitimate moral argument in those movies. They were just entertaining gross-out cash grabs.
I know right, i agree with your comment.
Survive if you have the "will" to go through his "test" is a bullshit excuse to put people in death traps, he is a murderer, building the traps, making his goons put people in them, giving them a chance of survival, doesn't remove the fact that he's in fact ending their lifes, passing his own judgment, when only the state should have that power when it comes to criminals, he is a bloody murderer, and also in one of the last movies its seen that one of the survivors not only failed to make a change her view in life but also she's just crippled for ever.
@@drackay hes awesome
I damn near cried for Magneto in Xmen: Apocalypse. The injustice done to his family. And I didn't even like Magneto before that, but after that I started liking him. I rooted for him when he got his revenge.
Revenge acted upon people because some other people 50 years ago caused him pain...yeah
@@muskatDR There is a reckoning for everything at some point. Those people 50 years ago just passed it on for their own selfish means. Just like how there is a price for slavery in the US
You need to do a part 2 of this particular topic my friend!!!
I always love these kinds of videos, that dig a little deeper and analyze the motives of villains, even those that seem like villains (like Miranda Priestly)
Almost had me too, my friend, but then they used the horribly overused and faulty reasoning that Jigsaw never kills someone with his own bare hands which made me lose trust in their analyses. Applying the venus fly trap is effectively killing someone with our own hands, even if there was room to escape. That's like stabbing someone and then letting them bleed out on their own saying, I didn't kill them, I only interfered a little and then left, which weirdly enough ended in them dying.
You forgot to mention Ozymandias from Watchmen
Super Critic yeah
Whether or not what he did was right is debatable. He thought it was, and what he did worked in the short term, but it won’t work forever. He killed millions just to put off a war that might happen anyway.
Lundarigirl I think his way was not the way to settle any war but he tries to make a decent argument and I think he should've at least mention him because he is a bad guy in the end
He's pretty awesome
No. Ozymandias's plot to sacrifices millions of people for world peace is weak. For it to work dr. Manhattan needs to make an appearance from time to time and slaughter millions of lives each time. Otherwise, people would just forget about him and start the conflict again eventually.
By the end of the day, his plot only serves to stroke his own ego, to prove that he could do what even the mightiest being in the world can't. He's a villain that thought himself an anti-hero.
There is no universe in which Jigsaw was "actually right"! Forcing people to torture themselves is EXACTLY the same as torturing them directly.
daiyoukai01 He's actually worse because he believes that his dreadful methods are justified so persons will appreciate life and change.
He's convinced he's in the right
He went after monsters. And gave them a chance to survive if they would only change their evil ways. If not then they would be put down.
kcabyats * That doesn't change he's still a monster.
Also he targets unsavory persons except monsters is a stretch because not all of the persons are monsters.
Jason Case the people he went after were terrible people whom ruined lives. He gave them an option, give up your ways and live, or continue and die. Just because they would die in gruesome ways does not mean he is wrong about them. His ultimate goal was to rehabilitate these horrible people. That is what is being said. He is absolutely right in his message that some people do not change unless you force them to. And sometimes even after being faced with death they still dont change
kcabyats * Again terrible persons but not all are monsters.
Great list. Until Jigsaw. His puzzles are taunts and insults, and his situations end with life ending consequences, either by actual death or by removal of access to the person's life passion, which is arguably worse than death, and in all of the ones I've seen *someone *has *to *Die. Jigsaw doesn't belong here.
Is it better to the wrong thing for the right reasons or the right thing for the wrong reasons?
Ninja Kuma - Let's Plays, Reactions, Meme's right, wrong, it’s all a trap, u can get ur head bit off either way
That is an interesting question, unfortunalyy the World we live in likes its issues clean cut. They prefer Wrong Things for the Wrong Reasons or Right Thing For The Right Reason (Which happen to be the minority of the options in real life actually). .
I have no problem with the latter, the former one is arguable.
The dangerous thing is how the person would justify themselves. How should we judge if the intention was for the right reason? Being too liberal with it is how the world ends up with millions of casualties from the cold war. Does killing a head of a terrorist organization justify bombing an orphanage he was visiting? If being a patriot means you are free to slaughter other country's innocent civilians, then that means we have abandoned our humanity.
Ninja Kuma - Let's Plays, Reactions, Meme's They're same no matter how you do it. You could be bad and do one good thing which still doesn't excuse all those bad actions. And you can be really good and do one bad thing and all the good you did doesn't excuse those bad actions..
Heru Muharman or just wait for his car to pull out and bomb it as he passes through sympathizers neighborhoods. Give a reason to the survivors and kill him.
Where's William Foster from Falling Down? You just have to like Bill.
I thought Red Queen in Resident Evil would have made the list. She was more damn right than anyone in the show.
right? she saw that the virus was released and took steps to make sure it would never get to the surface...of course they didn't listen when she tried to stop them and in the end, when she said, "you're all going to die down here" girl was right
HOW BOUT ALBERT WESKER?
Gone Baby Gone, should have been excluded from this list, simply because you've ruined a perfectly good mystery by revealing the villain.
The spin they put on it also disregards the existence of pedophilia. When a little girl is kidnapped, it's never for her own good.
Casey Affleck is the villain in that movie.... and basically ever movie he's in.... and basically in real life too.
“Those who do not appreciate life do not deserve it” I think jigsaw is my favorite move character
Same
That is a stupid motive and considering he murders peop he values life less than the people he tortures for being unhappy
@@Bruh-hq1hx he is sadist
This list was kinda bs not gonna lie :/
Should be thanos , killmonger, magneto , the bad guy in kingsman
@@ronanmaycock-hansen3943 no thanos instead of killing everyone he could have created eternal food energy and water and fixed pollution and all the other stuff without a single murder
Dr. Doom, Magneto, killmonger, Loki all villains who were right in a way. Doom rules over his own country and actually cares for his people. Magneto wants to protect mutant kind. Killmonger wants to help those who can't help themselves and was heir to the throne so he had rights to fight for it. And Loki would be a better ruler for Asgard, have you seen Thor recently?!?! Loki would be a way better king.
KlyntarKam 17 Nah killmonger wasn't right idc what y'all say
Shut Up Dodo he was doing the right thing but in the wrong way. Black panther does the same thing Erik wanted to do but in the right way.
KlyntarKam 17 not really he wanted to commit genocide because some people are racist
Shut Up Dodo he wanted to help people like him and like the people of wakanda. He wanted to open up wakandas doors to them and give them weapons to rise up and take over. He wanted wakanda to help the people that needed help. Before wakanda wanted to stay hidden from. The world and unless you were wakanden, you couldn't get in. Killmonger wanted that to change, but he wanted wakanda to rule the world which was where he was wrong. T'challa did what killmonger wanted but in the right way by opening wakandas doors to the public, and giving help to those that needed. So yeah, killmonger should also be included in this list.
KlyntarKam 17 alright but he still wanted to commit mass genocide and take over the world.
Where is Thanos?
Ikr but balence is actually an excuse he really is just doing it to make death happy
Joker, The Dark Knight, all he's trying to prove is that everyone's natural state is chaos. He's the one who really wins in the movie with Harvey Dent. "Introduce a little anarchy, upset the established order, and everything becomes...chaos"
But chaos is not everybody's natural state..
Hulk Smash 24/7 but most people thought are contractic sometimes and lead to confusion and chaos especially when confront with selection without enough details.
"But chaos is not everybody's natural state.."
Nor their desire, which is something closer to Maslow's hierarchy of needs. And this often extends to other people too.
that's like saying "everybody has a dark side" and then doing everything that you can to bring the worst in people out just to see it happen and show everybody that they all have a dark side. lol also on a side note: the joker was created to represent batman's dark side. he was supposed to be like batman's alter ego if he didn't keep his dark side in check.
Yeah but he didn’t corrupt Batman. He corrupted Dent but he wanted Batman to kill him to prove his point.
Darth Vader, Emperor Palpatine, Loki, The Joker, The Daleks and Davros, The Cybermen, etc.
How was Palpatine right?
Thanos didn't make the list?
How is thanos right?
@@bookeblade overpopulation is a real thing, and his plan made a lot of sense
DinoAge pls explain how his plan make sense?
Some very good points made here!
Thank you for including "GoneBaby Gone"...i am one of the few who believe it was right to leave her with Morgan Freeman & fam.
Beeshie Lilly Steele i agree i even screamed at the tv and hated the guy who called cops at the end of the movie
@@cach.ima6 I think he gets what he's done at the end when he babysits her, the mom goes out and it's just him and her. She' s watching tv and he looks at her like, "what have I done".
I know
Xenomorph Queen wasn't from LV426 they crashed on that planet and sent out a homing beacon. So yeah they were looking for a fight.
First time i saw the Rock i was rooting for Hummel from the get go. Such a great nuanced character for a 90s action movie.
so...what part of syndrome is right? they're all retired and he baited them out of their normal lives just to kill them. seems like nothing more than pettiness and immaturity to me
SickHead Its not to justify their actions but their intention or what motivated them.
ChadNexxus the title says "times in movies where the bad guys were actually right", not their motivations. Syndrome's actions were not justified nor were his intentions good. No one needed his help. Supers where already effectively gone from the world. All he wanted was glory
SickHead Yeh not necessarily their actions. You assuming it only means that.
SickHead Its not saying Syndrome killing innocent ppl was right but rather the point of it or his intention. There can be more than one way to go about someone's intention. Syndrome's was sinister and murderous sure, but what drove him could be relatable
ChadNexxus what i'm telling you is syndromes intentions were not good either. Did the rest of the world ask him for gadgets to rival Supers? They barely even remembered that the supers existed. It would most like cause mass chaos if everyone had that kind of tech at there disposal. His motivations were childish. Your childhood hero rejected your help so a go killing all heroes? Yeah really relatable
Wait, wait, wait. Didn't the slippers appear on Dorothy's feet after the witch died?
If that's the case, then the slippers chose their owner, and the WWoW was just being greedy and selfish.
Drashna Jael're i think the good witch put it on her
Those shoes belonged to JWoww.
Glenda the supposed Good Witch put them on Dorothy, Glenda is a freagin' thief! Period!
hey where is agent smith?
raesh chand the opposite of the matrix anomaly the one, neo that agent smith. That is a good villain as well. But tough for looper to understand its theory since they even include xenomorph that animal in the list.
He was right you know "Humanity is more similar to a virus".
Just look at how our cities look like from orbit. They look like a grey disease spreading on the surface of our planet. Humanity has to go so the planet can heal.
Yeah, we have to go and infect another planet after we feed on and drain this one.
Like Agent Smith correctly pointed out, human behavior is similar to that of a virus. The planet has a virus, maybe once we're gone it can heal. But the idea is that we should stop behaving like parasites and help heal the earth.
Agent smith was created by A.I, not by humans.
He himself becomes a virus spreading through the matrix and would have spread to the real world if Neo and the Mainframe didn't stop him.
Smith wasn't right at all. He hated the matrix just as much as he hated humans and his ambition was to essentially become the singularity by killing everything else. He hates existence so once he had accomplished his goals he would have probably destroyed himself afterwards as he would no longer have a purpose.
I love the matrix trilogy but smith's actions (as with most, if not, all of those on this list) cannot be condoned.
One of the better looper videos. Please do another top 10 the villians were right list
I though I was the first to say: Dorothy: "Oh no! I killed a person! - Oooh! Bitchin' shoes!"
Watchmen
No. Ozymandias's plot to sacrifices millions of people for world peace is weak. For it to work dr. Manhattan needs to make an appearance from time to time and slaughter thousands of lives each time. Otherwise, people would just forget about him and start the conflict again eventually.
By the end of the day, his plot only serves to stroke his own ego, to prove that he could do what even the mightiest being in the world can't. He's a villain that thought himself an anti-hero.
Well, Some have to die so can some people live
Is this a list of movie villains? Or just villains?
Heru Muharman which is why the comic version of an alien invasion makes more sense.
@ed alan
If it were only politicians, dictators, monarchs, war-lords, violent criminals, I'd agree.
But as for stability, the mass-murder of millions of innocent people, just to prove a point, is wrong.
Now, if he was planning on bringing stability to the Earth's ecosystem, by sterilizing 3 or 4 billion people, and mandating that everyone else must first get a license before being allowed to have a child (and that they only be allowed to have two children) then that would be different.
Why do you keep changing the aspect ratio for the same movie??
Cool vid!
Killmonger should of definitely been on the list!
Should have
That’s what I came for!
Im proud to be dutch Im proud of Rutger Hauer 1 of the best actors here in the netherlands
@ Hanno Bebbel he made that film what it is. yes, Harrison Ford is good, but Rutger was great. I actually felt bad for Roy Baty because Rutger made him seem so complex and not just bad or evil. He just wanted to live which is the drive of ever single living organism.
Rutger Hauer was hot 40 years ago and a much better actor than Arnold Swartzenegger!
Arnold is from austria
NO WORLD CUP THOUGH?
Yeah I know But than Ive time of something else
Having a reason for doing something wrong isn't the same as being right.
I don´t agree with the inclusion of the Wicked Witch, Syndrome and the Xenomorph Queen in this list.
The Wicked Witch just wanted the shoes for their power, not has a momento of her sister. Plus the shoes passed magicaly to Dorothy so it´s safe to say she is their rightfull owner.
Syndrome could have moved forward or dedicated his life and genious to save more lifes then the superheroes. Intsead he held on to is grudgeand went on a murder spree.
The Xenomorph Queen was just doing what her nature comanded her to do. She may count as an antagonist, but not as a villian in the real scence of the word. It´s like saying that either the T-rex or the Raptors were the main villians of Jurassic Park, instead of Nedry.
Yes, let's put these magic shoes (That can't be removed until her death Dorothy is told
) on the feet of a 12-year old girl then send her off to see the Wizard. Oh, and this wicked witch is going to try to kill you to get the shoes! Have fun! We get to the wizard and what's he want? He wants a 12-year old girl to assassinate the wicked witch. Is she truly evil? Maybe she is. Maybe she does need to be stopped. But Dorothy is a 12-year old girl! THEN when Dorothy, with no other way to get home goes to murder the wicked witch, she ends up doing it by accident with the water. Then, after the Wizard is shown to be a fraud, there's no way she can get home.. until Glinda says "Oh, you've always been able to go home whenever you wanted, I just didn't tell you because you wouldn't have believed me!" Like seriously? That's honestly why I love Gregory Maguire's book and musical, Wicked. It really portrays Glinda and the Wizard as the manipulative villains they actually are.
We need the movie "Law abiding citizen" in this video haha
General Francis Hummel I salute you for trying to honor the fallen soldiers god bless you in that attempts 🇺🇸
Hey Zeus stfu edgy weeb
Hey Zeus let others belive what they want too, science and god don't go against each other so its all a matter of how you choose to belive things were
You said a mouthful? 👍
@Hey Zeus I'm with you there is no god, but because of the real people Gen. Hummel is based on we are all free to have our own beliefs
Let me get this straight. Mr. Credible won't put his own kids in harm's way and they actually have super powers. He doesn't let this little snot nosed kid get hurt and he's the bad guy now? As smart as that kid was, come back when you're old enough to take on your own responsibilities.
Love Hummel! Make more of these! There are so many more
You really did my dude jigsaw dirty at the end
Jigsaw is just a straight up murderer though
Snoopy Doo he doesn’t murder a single person
Anthony Atler-Olona true but he is responsible for their deaths
He takes people who make mistakes that are major, and shows them how life is taken for granted
How can you say Jigsaw doesn't kill anyone? He puts people in situations where they have to complete tasks before a timer expires or they die, and frequently there is barely enough time to do the task so any hesitation ends up in death. If I hang you off a cliff and put a candle under the rope so you have a limited time to escape before dying then I am responsible for your death if you don't make it. He is 100% responsible for every one of the deaths in these movies, even the ones he didn't set up himself because he orchestrated them or enabled them. That doesn't even count the legal argument that if someone dies during the commission of a felony every person involved in that felony is guilty of murder and kidnapping is a felony.
Anthony Atler-Olona He's putting persons in situations where if they fail they die.
So yes he has killed persons even if it wasn't the common he gets his hands dirty.
I love the saw movies because jigsaw has a very good reason for doing what he does.
Awesome! Can you do one of these on real life murderers?
Very good! You are thinking!
William «D-Fens» Foster from Falling Down!
Any movie where the "bad guy" is an animal killing people.
This brings up a good point.
What is "Good" and "Evil"?
Everybody has a reason to do something. And that story is always told by the opposing side.
My first year of teaching was the year Ferris Bueller’s Day Off came out. I had 2 Bueller types in my class. I realized at 22 that I had become an old adult when I found myself as the only person in the theater wanting Rooney to win. 😂
Hannibal Lecter who prefers to eat the rude
Beautiful episode!! 👍
Shylock in Merchant of Venice defines this well, a businessman who agreed terms which where not met by Bassanio and Antonio. He was forced to take his dispute to trial where semantics not only quash his fairly rightful claim to a 'pound of flesh' but see to it that his life and name are ruined.
He's the clear 'Bad Guy', and is always seen as a bad guy but he wasn't the one who agreed to terms of a loan that forfeited a pound of flesh, take note villains.
That's deep man, I never thought about that as far as the Alien movies.
Except Peck wasn't in the right; he knew nothing about what he was supposedly overseeing, refused to listen to the people who did, demanded the shutdown of equipment he knew nothing about just to spite the protagonists and denied them any kind of due process or appeal that they were entitled so. Then when he's unleashed an apocalypse on the city and perhaps world blatantly lies and tries to blame it all on the protagonists when the event only happened because he caused it to happen.
They also could've instealled a fucking safety switch. They were running multiple unlicenced nuclear devices in the middle of one of the most heavily populated cities in the country, which is more than reason enough to investigate.
6:25 Maybe because they told him outright.
As of a recent hyperfixation, going back to the Underworld movies I have to say the fact that they actually followed through with the "villain isnt really bad" thing and gave Lucian his own movie to show his reasoning behind what he did is really amazing. Cause its true there are a lot of villains who's motivations are actually pretty sound. A lot also built on some really bad tropes or traits that are kind of harmful in retrospect. They portray the actions of many ostracized or struggling characters as evil for often times snapping and finally going against those who have harmed them. The lycans in Underworld are shown as animalistic and ruthless in the first movie until you find out they were made by Viktor and used as slaves. Anyone in that situation would have rebelled against their oppressors given the opportunity. And the movies could have easily swept that under the rug and not made a prequel that focused on that. Some villains really do fit the "cool motive still murder" aspect. Personally Syndrome and Leonard from Umbrella Academy are very similar and just fit the nerd boy who expects things to be handed to him cause he thinks he's special trope. Not really a villain I'd sympathize with. But give me someone like Lucian who's whole life was a miserable mistreatment kept like animals and belittled until he snaps and is given reason to fight back. Lucian was even willing to escape the vampire colony without hurting anyone at first. Until they killed Sonja. Even in the first movie a lot of his motivation is to expose Viktor and kill him at the least and then try to forge a peace with vampires. I'm all for sympathetic villains but there are still many I see a lot of people try to logic and I just don't agree with some of them.
Iv gone to Crypticon for 3 years now and I'm still waiting for Tobin Bell (actor for Jigsaw) to show up...
Thanos. In the movies he's literally trying to save the universe.
Keyarchan But he’s not smart enough to double the size of the universe.
@@srkh8966 That's a temporary solution, like printing money when there's not enough to pay off debt.
starcrafter13terran ??? Reducing the population of the universe by half is also temporary. Math matters.
thanos also could've just made more resources
@@srkh8966, absolutely. In fact, it's a lot more temporary, given how fast many life forms can double their population.
Scar, in the Lion King, abandoned the suppression/social exclusion of the hyenas. And his reign mainly failed because of a drought.
Good point about Wicked Witch. I never really saw it that way. They should do a reboot of Wizard of Oz
Knowing about Principal Rooney and the real life Jeffery Jones, brings that movie to a whole new level of dark comedy. I really really would have loved an interview with Hughes to know his thoughts on it.
Tyler Derden from Fight Club definitely should have made the list.
The only one I disagree with is Syndrome. His meddling is what caused the supers to go into hiding. They were right to shun him but he wouldn't listen
"a radical life counselor.." LOL!!!!
Was not expecting the Alien Queen to show up on this list...well played sirs !
Killmonger, Ozmandiayaz, Thanos?
You're wrong about Walter Peck. However justified his concern may have been he DID shut off the Grid without knowing what it did. If he was genuinely worried about an unlicensed nuclear reactor, or "toxic chemicals", or whatever, simply throwing random switches was an incredibly irresponsible thing to do.
It goes a lot further then that, Peter was intentionally antagonistic because being an Asshole is what keeps Peter alive, the whole thing was unlicensed which meant that they hadn't filed any of the necessary plans. When he turned it off things went bad, just like they would of if a power outage happened, or a fire, or any other number of things that could cause the power supply to break.
Not installing a safety switch was also incredibly irresponsible of the Ghostbusters.
The Ghostbusters likely weren't on the NYC power grid (this was New York in the 80's, so it wasn't exactly trustworthy.) Remember the ConEd guy said he'd never seen anything like it when told to shut it off. Peck was told by three different people (Peter, Egon, and the ConEd guy) that simply shutting the system down was a bad idea and he did it anyway just to piss off Peter.
Also keep in mind that the reason they were in the basement in the first place was because Peck tried to throw his weight around based on nothing but rumors. Peter was an "asshole" in response to that so Peck went and got a warrant essentially because his feeling were hurt.
Very interesting list.
Haha great video dude
Walter Peck did have a damn idea he was told turning off the containment chamber would be like dropping a bomb on the City.
Peck unpersuaded still igornes the warning.
It astounds me that you attempt to fool persons and give him some defense or excuse for his asinine awful action.
And he was assuming a worst case scenario, which most of us would have. Running multiple unlicenced nuclear devices in one of the most heavily populated cities in the world.
Good video
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Okay now the first one, i do agree on. When he said "from a legal standpoint" i was like "damn the witch was just tryna get her dead sister's shoes"😂😂😂
Jigsaw was right! :)
Most of these points were just stupid. Like one super hero makes a kid feel sad so killing countless is justified? No. No it isn't. Killing countless people just because you want to find someone who's powerful? What the heck? How can anyone think that's justified?
CowQueen,and Magneto's reason is just for mutants to be the dominant species of Earth,regardless if humans are gone,there will always be conflict amongst mutants.
Don't forget that Jigsaw rescued one of his own victims that didn't wake up in time for the traps activation.
"You were supposed to wake up with the others. It was an honest mistake"
Deep down, as much as we all admire the hero, we'd all like to be the villain. They get to have all the power, all the money, all the women (or men, whichever you prefer), and all the fun produced by a lifestyle where they get to break all the rules instead of following them.
These were good except for the alien reference. If you ever watch Prometheus, or watch the director's cut you will know that they are not on their home ship and they are an invasive species.
bio waepons actually
One more reason not to watch Prometheus, then.
"We can never come from anger. Or from vengeance."
Great list. I would add the villain of Wild Wild West.
Have to correct you on the Alien part. The people didn't go down there to mine the planet, they went down there to check a signal of unknown origin. It's only in the second film (Aliens) that the Alien queen is kind of being the doting mother. Then again, the aliens are- by nature- evil as they would either (A) Kill a large amount of life or (B) impregnate creatures of flesh (be them sentient or bestial) which would kill them in the end anyway when the infant xenomorph is born.
Other than that, the list is pretty good.
Fashion is not male dominate d
Probably meant being a CEO in general, where CEO's are majority male.
A villain is a hero of the other side.
No. Think about it. Look at the definition of hero. Doing good. If you’re a villain ur not doing good except if ur misunderstood. However, about 99% of villains are genuinely psychopaths and evil
Elijah Price's reveal is one of the most powerful scenes in movie history.
Hey Looper, look into Valentine from the first Kingsman movie. He has a pretty sound point when it comes to his destroying humanity.
Definitely The Hitman Tom Cruise in Collateral and of course Colenel Jessup Jack Nicholson in a Few Good Men.
Killmonger and Magneto should definitely be on this list!
SWORDFISH! - Gabriel Shear, played by John Travolta. The ultimate villain hero.
The Vulture form Spider-man: Homecoming was pretty easy to identify with which is what made him believable. Also, Hugh Laurie made a "master plan" bad guy speech in Tomorrow land that was chillingly accurate to real life.