Axis is still one of my favorite albums of all time. ...and this type of production blew my mind even as a kid in the 90s. I can only _imagine_ what it must have been like to hear this stuff when it was new and current!! I've been fortunate enough to meet a lot of my musical heroes, but Eddie Kramer is near the very top of that list. He's an absolute legend!!
Jimmy page explained it in it might get loud. Pretty much bonzos tech set the drums in a big hall stairway in headley Grange and he played the drums in there creating that thunderous reverb in that track, they also used a recording truck that was parked outisde to record the drum parts
@@Alan-su5bg I kinda was aware of some of those details, but I would like to see how they would try to physically approximate the same recording approach today using a real or natural space rather than an outboard piece of gear.
@@fstopclick37 it's not as like what reverb would do with their profession on recording and setting up mics for certain drum sounds for recreational purposes. The setup isn't nothing that much of a hassle, What you can use is any tape delay like a maestro echoplex (anything that can have tape echo sounds) and set a mike to the bass drum. A room or anything thats got a huge open space area to have a bit of ambiance can help if you want that ambient sound like the recording. I've tried doing it before with a tape machine (i dont have a huge wide room to give some ambiance but i improvised in my house)
@@Alan-su5bg The Rolling Stones Mobile Studio, everything in there is well documented (I believe it’s now in a museum in Canada, and it’s still used to record bands, but the motor broke down so it’s no longer mobile. John Bonham played on a new Ludwig kit, set up in the lobby of Headley Grange for him to test out for an upcoming tour. Hearing the huge drum tone, the band decided to use that kit for the song. Two Beyerdynamic M 160 microphones which were hung up a flight of stairs; output from these were passed to a pair of Helios F760 compressor/limiters set aggressively to obtain a breathing effect. A Binson Echorec, a delay effects unit, was also used. (So they did “sweeten” the track with an echo.)
Any drum sound from Rage against the machine. To me its fascinating how they got the drums to sound so powerfull and pack so much energy and sound so clear at the same time.
In an interview with Kenny Jones he says that during the Small Faces sessions Johns used to have a feed going to a miced up guitar cab to add some extra bite to the sound.
Nice playing and good explanation of the recording technique. For my taste, the drums were too muffled to recreate the 60`s Mitch Mitchell sound. It would have been interesting to hear the drummer play the fills that Mitch played on Bold as Love. Very good job all around!
I would love one on Mari Wilson's "Just What I Always Wanted" from 1982, great bombastic drum sound in the intro -- I'm not sure if it's just gated reverb or if there's something else going on too.
Very interesting breakdown >) it doesn't seem as super-extreme as the Hendrix tapes - why might that be? Perhaps they mixed it down more than once? I built a home-made phaser flanger kit once in 1987 and it sounded crazy - more like the old phasing tape you hear and it was very random and interesting. Wish I still had it.
The whole mix is flanged on Bold as Love not only the drums. The guitar, drums, piano, who knows what else... I don't know if each instrument was done on it's own or if it was done all together, probably all together in final mix.
Rather than record the drums on the tape and try to sync them, they would bus the drums to the tape deck in repro and then bring that back on a channel. As it plays, lean on the second machine’s flange to slow the tape down slightly and randomly.
I am not a drummer but I tinker a bit… what about mic up a kit and play around with gates & compression like Phil Collins .. where the attack has been dampened and or eliminated entirely so all that is heard is the drum head and the sustain … gates & Reverbs & setting time based effects in time with the song..? BTW…. I WAS BORN ON 9 - 18 - 7O 😮😮 The day Jimi Hendrix Passed ….😮😮
I'm curious why the actual drum hits wouldn't also go out of synch. In other words, I'd figure you'd get a flam sound on the snare hits, or it would sound like a slap back echo. But it doesn't for some reason.
I feel like it's kind of strange to do a video on tape flanging but never actually mention that the "flange" is the metal part of the tape reel that you manipulate to create the sound
But Don't Forget to Pointout in Order To Get a Zero Cross (Through Zero Flange) By Doing Dual Master Tape Flanging One Tape Machine Must Be 180° Out of Phase ☺💯
Only for negative flanging, like House Burning Down. Bold as Love is positive flanging so no out of phase on this song. Positive flanging is so much fuller sounding than negative flanging. Either one will get you TZF, as flanging is a time based effect, not a phasing effect.
@@NoOne-sn2si Correct.. No Cancellation at Zero Cross with Both Sources (Machines) In Phase. (But Tho Harsher I Love That Out of Phase (Negative) Flanging, It Just Has So Much More of a Psychedelic Effect ☺☺😎💯)
Not sure where the guy is who always asks for tired of sex by weezer, but please do tired of sex by weezer, best drum sound ever. I believe joe barresi engineered that track. Scentless Apprentice by Nirvana would be a close second
Nothing like real tape flanging! I used to try this as a kid with my dual cassette deck (some systems would let you hear both decks at once).
This does not surprise me at all. Many thanks Andy for everything! All the best from 🇨🇦 eh!
I did that too! Sanyo 1984!
Axis is still one of my favorite albums of all time. ...and this type of production blew my mind even as a kid in the 90s.
I can only _imagine_ what it must have been like to hear this stuff when it was new and current!!
I've been fortunate enough to meet a lot of my musical heroes, but Eddie Kramer is near the very top of that list.
He's an absolute legend!!
Great playing jessica. And you really know how to get a great drum sound too! Loved this!
Any Jon Spencer Blues Explosion tune, Russell Simins' kit sounds unbelievable! Thanks for the very cool video!
Have you guys ever made a video for Led Zeppelin's drum sound for "When The Levee Breaks"? 🥁
I hope they do.
Jimmy page explained it in it might get loud. Pretty much bonzos tech set the drums in a big hall stairway in headley Grange and he played the drums in there creating that thunderous reverb in that track, they also used a recording truck that was parked outisde to record the drum parts
@@Alan-su5bg I kinda was aware of some of those details, but I would like to see how they would try to physically approximate the same recording approach today using a real or natural space rather than an outboard piece of gear.
@@fstopclick37 it's not as like what reverb would do with their profession on recording and setting up mics for certain drum sounds for recreational purposes. The setup isn't nothing that much of a hassle, What you can use is any tape delay like a maestro echoplex (anything that can have tape echo sounds) and set a mike to the bass drum. A room or anything thats got a huge open space area to have a bit of ambiance can help if you want that ambient sound like the recording. I've tried doing it before with a tape machine (i dont have a huge wide room to give some ambiance but i improvised in my house)
@@Alan-su5bg The Rolling Stones Mobile Studio, everything in there is well documented (I believe it’s now in a museum in Canada, and it’s still used to record bands, but the motor broke down so it’s no longer mobile.
John Bonham played on a new Ludwig kit, set up in the lobby of Headley Grange for him to test out for an upcoming tour. Hearing the huge drum tone, the band decided to use that kit for the song. Two Beyerdynamic M 160 microphones which were hung up a flight of stairs; output from these were passed to a pair of Helios F760 compressor/limiters set aggressively to obtain a breathing effect. A Binson Echorec, a delay effects unit, was also used. (So they did “sweeten” the track with an echo.)
Any drum sound from Rage against the machine. To me its fascinating how they got the drums to sound so powerfull and pack so much energy and sound so clear at the same time.
I always had a soft spot for flanger on drums. It’s a cool sound to me.
Also, I like the highlights Jessica added to her hair.
In an interview with Kenny Jones he says that during the Small Faces sessions Johns used to have a feed going to a miced up guitar cab to add some extra bite to the sound.
King Crimson’s “The Court of the Crimson King” would be a great episode.
I literally just tried this using a stereo drum track and the waves ADT plugin mixed very subtly Worked a treat... 👌
Outstanding, folks! Fascinating & very informative.
Nice playing and good explanation of the recording technique. For my taste, the drums were too muffled to recreate the 60`s Mitch Mitchell sound. It would have been interesting to hear the drummer play the fills that Mitch played on Bold as Love. Very good job all around!
One of my favorite series on youtube. Thank you :)
That was awesome, extremely interesting and well explained!!
I love the flanged drums on Tame Impala - Sundown Syndrome
Very interesting presentation. Thanks.
Wow! Great. Thank you :)
Love this...
Great video and explanation.🎊
'Funky drummer' would be nice !!!
That is pretty awesome. It's so much about the tuning & playing. This girl does a very nice job.
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The Animals did phase drums on "Sky Pilot". Eric Burdon curled up in a ball and laughed.
I would love one on Mari Wilson's "Just What I Always Wanted" from 1982, great bombastic drum sound in the intro -- I'm not sure if it's just gated reverb or if there's something else going on too.
Very interesting breakdown >) it doesn't seem as super-extreme as the Hendrix tapes - why might that be? Perhaps they mixed it down more than once? I built a home-made phaser flanger kit once in 1987 and it sounded crazy - more like the old phasing tape you hear and it was very random and interesting. Wish I still had it.
The whole mix is flanged on Bold as Love not only the drums. The guitar, drums, piano, who knows what else... I don't know if each instrument was done on it's own or if it was done all together, probably all together in final mix.
The phasing thing is what DJs used to to with two synced up records before there were digital effects.
this part of the song is my ringtone
Rather than record the drums on the tape and try to sync them, they would bus the drums to the tape deck in repro and then bring that back on a channel. As it plays, lean on the second machine’s flange to slow the tape down slightly and randomly.
Can you guys try to get that Motown drum sound-tape bias sound with the new warm audio wa-mpx?
PLEASE can you do the drum sound of Khruangbin?
Very nice
How about “I’m Just A Singer In A Rock and Roll Band” by The Moody Blues or “Teenage Riot” by Sonic Youth?
Where can I see Noam's settings? When I click the link it's just a description of what's in the video.
I am not a drummer but I tinker a bit… what about mic up a kit and play around with gates & compression like Phil Collins .. where the attack has been dampened and or eliminated entirely so all that is heard is the drum head and the sustain … gates & Reverbs & setting time based effects in time with the song..? BTW…. I WAS BORN ON 9 - 18 - 7O 😮😮 The day Jimi Hendrix Passed ….😮😮
This video is a bit older, but I think you might recognize the hosts! ruclips.net/video/h4rNISM01i4/видео.html
I thought mitch had all his drums mic'ed . He specifically wanted that in the 1st album?
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I'm curious why the actual drum hits wouldn't also go out of synch. In other words, I'd figure you'd get a flam sound on the snare hits, or it would sound like a slap back echo. But it doesn't for some reason.
Slap back echo is a much longer delay than flanging... Flanging is around 0-10 milliseconds, SB echo is around 70 milliseconds or longer.
attempt #3 at suggesting "tired of sex" by weezer. please, its so unique.
need a big thief episode
sample delay will be your friend in a daw
Peter Criss on 100,000 years Alive! solo
You guys think Mitch really used gaff tape? Cmon. You can hear every shell ring in the recordings. Missed the iconic sound imo.
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used the D'Angelo Voodoo drums on this one
I feel like it's kind of strange to do a video on tape flanging but never actually mention that the "flange" is the metal part of the tape reel that you manipulate to create the sound
But Don't Forget to Pointout in Order To Get a Zero Cross (Through Zero Flange) By Doing Dual Master Tape Flanging One Tape Machine Must Be 180° Out of Phase ☺💯
Only for negative flanging, like House Burning Down. Bold as Love is positive flanging so no out of phase on this song. Positive flanging is so much fuller sounding than negative flanging.
Either one will get you TZF, as flanging is a time based effect, not a phasing effect.
@@NoOne-sn2si Correct.. No Cancellation at Zero Cross with Both Sources (Machines) In Phase. (But Tho Harsher I Love That Out of Phase (Negative) Flanging, It Just Has So Much More of a Psychedelic Effect ☺☺😎💯)
Not sure where the guy is who always asks for tired of sex by weezer, but please do tired of sex by weezer, best drum sound ever. I believe joe barresi engineered that track. Scentless Apprentice by Nirvana would be a close second
the In Utero drum sound is to die for.. A longtime favorite. Love to see that recreated as well!
You could just put the track though a Strymon Deco
Ha ha! No effect box will get true tape sound, unfortunately. Neither digital nor BBD based effects. They do get close though.
@@NoOne-sn2si Have you tried the DECO?
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I suppose this was not the point but she plays nothing like Mitch Mitchell.
Who does?
comb filtering is not flanging.
modulated (moving in time) comb filtering is flanging
@@RocknJazzer No, milliseconds makes the difference.
@@rnrsteev that's what I said, modulating one source in time (which includes milliseconds) against the same source creates flanging
@@RocknJazzer OK, fair enough, we're splitting hairs.