Idk aboout that chief. Maybe it just wasn't that good 2 them (I personally think it's brilliant) but that's a funny narrative, that the media "hate seeing themselves" in the films eyez
@@riotbreaker3506 I just feel the movie is going at society, not the media. I don't c how the media create someone like that, if anything it's society (like the movie says) and the media doesn't define an entire society
@@riotbreaker3506 true, but the media still overshadows us (the internet) a bunch. news outlets shouldn't really be mirrored in the movies eyez. like u said, it's the observer/participants who r responsible
Batwoman is a TV show while Joker is a full fledged theatrical release. They don't compare remotely. Only 40 critics reviewed Batwoman, reviewers that aren't the same than those that reviewed the Joker, which was reviewed by 489 critics. See that disparity. 40 vs 489. They're not remotely in the same caliber. Obviously there's a disparity given the small sample in one vs the other. There is no equivalency whatsoever. Stop grasping at straws.
It’s incredible how these “critics” just don’t even hide their intentions (straight up activism) when writing their reviews. Clearly, they don’t even care if the movie is actually good or not. They shouldn’t be called critics at all.
El-ahrairah there’s always that guy who is like “I am different this thing that everybody loved didn’t impress me” in every comment section and I always try to find them lol joker is a 7 movie?! Ok since we are saying non facts and don’t know what a 7 movie is I guess silence of the lambs is a 7 movie as well dark knight is a 4 and going by your standards tusk is a 10/10.
What's incredible is how when a critic views the film with different expectations than someone else, and reviews it differently, they're labeled "paid shills, access media, ect". by people like Gary here, and the rubes lap it up as fact. Seriously, from what I have read, it's NOT a 10 out of 10 movie, and from fans and critics alike, the critiques of both good and bad seem to be pretty equal between the two groups. So what's his issue? None, actually.
The only 2 people who are non shill/access media that didn't like the joker that I've seen so far are Red Letter media, specifically Jay (who clearly has a testosterone issue if you look at how little muscle mass he has) and Razorfist who seemed to think it sucked because he scoffed that the Joker was oscar worthy. Otherwise it seems like all my youtube people who watched it said they loved it.
You are both correct. This is not a perfect movie. However, some of the reasons given for why this movie is bad are quite strange. Like why is this movie considered dangerous? Doesn’t anyone have the integrity to not follow movies/media as blueprints for their lives? It is entertainment.
Never realized that the “dangerous” argument they make against Joker is almost the same argument they’ve tried to make against violent video games for years now. Both being disingenuous arguments as well.
I think the problem that people, and me personally (nothing personal against Joker on my part), is the show of violence in the movie. I’ve never seen a school shooting video game before, but I have seen Joker. Joker *contains* controversial and provocative imagery. The relevance of mass shootings comes to mind when watching Joker. That’s the issue. An audience review on Rotten Tomatoes said “This movie is an inspiration to us all” WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING. Everyone loses their shit. For context, when The Dark Knight Rises came out, there was a mass shooter at a theater. A man came into a theater with 400 people in it in full combat gear, with a gas mask, multiple firearms, and tear gas grenades. He opened fire and throw his tear gas. 12 people died and 70 were injured. 4 guys died protecting their girlfriends. A man died protecting his teenage daughters. When questioned, the shooter said he “was the Joker”. Do you see why people might be alarmed? Theaters banned costumes for Joker, preorder tickets were cancelled, some theaters refused to show the movie altogether. Critics fear the movie, but normies love it. Nerdroctic is fundamentally a good channel. But I have yet to find a video of him *praising* something. It seems this guy has only bad things to say, mostly tin foil hat theories about the media banding together, and how everything is becoming woke and corrupt, OH MOVIES ARE RUINED, OH FEMINISM IS TAKING OVER. I agree with some of his points. I despise the X Women line in Dark Phoenix. I dislike Captain Marvel as a character. I refuse to watch Season 11 of Doctor Who. It seems that Nerdroctic (idk his real name) is either sensationalizing everything to get views, or is actually believing in the things he says. Yes there is a *possibility* of the Cybermen being ruined by feminism. There is a *possibility* that the MCU will crumble because of feminism. But none of that is rooted in much fact. Spider-Man is still in the MCU (yay!). Black Panther, Doctor Strange, Ant Man, and many to be introduced heroes are male. It appears to me that this guy doesn’t believe people can correct their mistakes. He scoffs and laughs at promises made, saying “it’ll never happen” or “the critics hate it because a white guy is the lead”. He needs to leave his anti feminist bunker and have faith. Believe me, I hate forced feminism. I binged the Netflix show about glassblowing for three hours, and screamed at the TV when the judges said “This guy is the better artist, but her ideas are better” The feminist won and got her own art gallery, and the man who was there to show his son his work went home. Here’s how I see it. Characters that are naturally female (Wonder Woman) should be left alone. Characters that are naturally male (The Doctor) should be left alone. The scrape is movies like Ghostbusters 2016, where women are forced into precedents set by men to be more PC. Men in Black International is a good example of this. I hate when good characters are ruined because of feminism (Jasmine). There is a delicate balance between progressive media (Wonder Woman was the first superhero movie with a female lead and almost no feminism was involved) and forced progressive media (Captain Marvel speaks for itself) does that make sense?
@@rigatonipasta The "Joker" narrative about the cinema mass shooter is a fabrication by media. Basically a rumour repeated and naseum by Journalists who think "researching" means reading another news site's article. Really, search it. I used to think this was true too, because well, I've heard this a thousand times. Was pretty surprised that it basically came from nowhere.
No, it isn't the same argument. The video game argument was that violent video games were making us numb and accustomed to violence. The Joker argument was that the film has basically the origin story of every white male shooter in the last few years, elevating them in some minds to the level of "hero." I see it more as self-reflection than a "we should censor ourselves" sort of thing. Telling a good story that also sells tickets requires at least some reflection of reality, and maybe we really do celebrate the underdog as they go down in a blaze of glory.
@@rigatonipasta LOL feminism and Marvel movies have both grown exponentially side by side. Wonder Woman being female, I get, but doctor Who? Not a big fan, but when was his penis essential to the plot? Also, many Marvel heroes switched from male to female or vice versa over the years, long before the age of the so-called "feminazis." It was an attempt to sell more comics to girls. Women want to see more of themselves on screen (just like the rest of us) and female filmmakers are starting to become more common, and want their stories told. Personally I think Ghostbusters 3 would have been garbage whoever starred in it. Dan Aykroyd couldn't even submit a good script for the second one. MIB International is another prime example: it's bad because the filmmakers ran out of ideas. Both movies were strictly made to cash in on a franchise. That's not something to blame feminism for.
You just have to find one critic whose taste coincides with yours. Not always easy to do, as I'm still looking. I certainly don't look at audience scores, as I'm not typical audience. Audience score is just an average of the participating audience.
Yep, the sad fact that "society" has become scary shallow. Be honest now. Had it not been named Joker (the famous Batman villain) how many of you chumps would have gone and seen it? It was named Joker just to reel you lot in. Everybody half reasonable and empathic knew how bad some people have it long before this movie, it's only now thanks to some movie some people have this "great revelation".
@@paulallen8109 what great revelation? everyone knows whats up. I havent heard one person say this film opened thier eyes or anything what are you talking about?
you should also check out the Silver Lyon movie which went to Polanski's latest movie "An officer and a spy" (or "J'accuse" in its original title). Talks about one of France's most famous juridical scandal (Dreyfus Case) and it's really fascinating
Woke Culture: We haven't killed Comedy. Look! Here's a Burburger from Madonalds with a side of Ches. LOL! It's full if fully and glee! Why aren't you laughing? Have no sense of humor?
When that one critic started bringing up the race of the boys that beat up Joker, and the lady on the bus, I immediately knew his opinion was to be completely disregarded. Watching the movie I never even noticed these things, because they are not the focus and play no part in the grand scheme of the movie. That dude, like many other critics, just doesn't get it.
Aren't they the ones objectifying the black kids at the start of the movie, by focusing on their race? The lady on the bus was just an irritated mother. How on earth would would it have been any different if it was a white irritated mother? In fact, the woman on the bus was displayed as the most understanding (out of all of his bullies) because after reading his card, she no longer yelled at him. Compare that to the WHITE MEN on the train, who wouldn't leave him alone after hearing him laugh, and didn't even give him the chance to show them his card. BTW he didn't only kill black people in this movie, like the "Critics" claim. They say he was pushed to murder by a black cast, but the three white men were the ones that pushed him to his first murder. This movie is about a SOCIETY dragging a mentally ill man through the mud, and last time I checked, black people are a part of our society. Sorry for the rant.
When these people freak about representation, they only want unquestionably positive representation. Presenting anyone who isn't a white man as, you know, people who can do both good and ill, is evil to them.
He is and I believe because of all the controversy he will be snubbed this Oscar season, in what will be the biggest snub since Baz Luhrmann's for best director on Moulin Rouge!, prompting host Whoopi Goldberg to remark, "I guess [it] just directed itself!
Looks like Joker is causing a lot of chaos, which is literally what his character is: "an agent of chaos." If that isn't what a successful joker movie is suppose to do then I don't know what is.
If Arthur Flex had a romantic relationship with a woman, the movie objetifies the women. If in A clockwork orange a woman is raped to death, the movie is a masterpiece.
They actually used the term incel which I find very unlikely that the military would use a trendy and derogatory slang term (essentially a meme) from leftist culture to describe a serious threat. That to me sounds very much like a made up headline or one that took so many liberties with the truth that it may as well be a lie.
+Madeline Bell The articles about the supposed "alert" were based on rumors. The ONLY U.S. Army post to actually put out a warning to the soldiers stationed there, was Ft. Sill, OK. The idiots in the "internet media" and the MSM blew it way out of proportion by claiming that the whole U.S. military was put on alert. Unfortunately, it isn't against the law to report rumors. All these idiot reporters have to say is "I heard it from a source" and they're basically off the hook.
@@Shape1999 Wow, seriously? That would kind of seem inappropriate. My theater was completely silent at the end...I mean dead silent. Both times I went to see the movie and was sold out.
@Caspean Sea I'd say so. You get less annoyed with the rest of the cinema audience, you get easily emotionally connected to the story. Just don't drink beer, because you'll have to go to the bathroom in the middle of the film, and don't get piss drunk so you don't fall asleep or become rowdy or whatever
@@ThePowerpointMaster You clearly didn't watch the movie. If you had, you would know how the media was portrayed in the movie and how much that resembles real life.
Joker: *A well made, emotional film, main protagonist is a complex character, does the Joker character justice, amazing acting* Critics: OmG iT's DaNgErOuS! Batwoman: *Literally SHITS on the legacy of Batman, protagonist's only character traits is she's gay (that's literally it), poor acting, overall a tasteless story* Critics: I love it!!!
Yeah, it's because the "critics" aren't real critics at all. They look into every movie for their woke politics and if they don't see it in there they give it a bad score. Another dude said it perfectly earlier in the comment section: they're not critics, they're culture police.
"well made" is a reach lol. this thing would be nothing had they not been lucky enough to snag Joaquin Phoenix. it's alright, but anyone treating it like a masterpiece has just had their brain melted by mainstream capeshit to the point that any modicum of depth amazes them. in a year with so many great film releases this is just another hyped (but underwitten) comic movie.
Do you know what's annoying, whenever people hate on movies like Captain Marvel, the media calls them trolls who apparently haven't seen the movie and hate it. But they are doing the exact same thing with the Joker movie so why don't we just call them trolls who don't have a taste.
Captain Marvel is SJW propaganda and Joker is try-hard incel-bait. People don't watch movies anymore, they only watch agendas, their own or anyone else's.
and all this time you never knew or suspected all that suppressed white incel rage was present and just bubbling below the surface....shows you just how sneaky that white rage is...popping up where you least suspect it...scary....
@J. C. you are a clown for thinking you can come down here and lecture us on how ROTTEN TOMATOES work. We are all fully aware of the intricacies of their system. Top critics is what the video is looking up, and wouldn't you agree that if top critics gave it 44% then it must be a bad movie according to top critics? And yet, normal people who aren't retxrds LOVE the movie.
@J. C. yes, overall critics gave it 68% but that is way too low for a movie of this craftsmanship and quality. And still, that was not the point, the point was top critics' reviews are politically charged with agenda.
Mr. Phoenix's performance was one of the best I've ever seen and I'm 68 years old. I was completely mesmerized by him. It's very rare to see an actor encapsulate a character. Loved it and have watched it many times!
@@tn420animations9 just bc they own RT doesn't mean anything companies make a profit just by owning them no matter the result. Have you ever seem ERBH, is a yt channel, they are owned by a entertainment producer company that is owned by another one that is owned by Disney. But they still made a satire joke about Walt Disney either way
Even describing the film as “a mess” is just an outright lie. I’ve seen it twice now and the second time I realised just how obvious and concise the story actually is. Everything leads to something in the film. It’s just not a mess at all.
That's what I keep seeing these critics do. They just say things without actually explaining why they think it's that way? Like, please define "mess". What made the movie a "mess"? I seen a lot call this movie "cliched" without actually talking about what they found cliched. Just take their word for it I guess?
The use of the score was messy, the part where they beat you over the head with obvious narratives was messy, the connections to Bruce Wayne and the Batman universe were stupid and unnecessary
"Messy" is unfortunately a vague term in film criticism. It means several things. (A) Scenes that were unnecessary (this can also mean scenes that do currently have a function but the critic thinks they could have been combined with another scene to achieve the same end), (B) scenes that were unnecessarily long, (C) scenes that were not pieced together in such a way that felt like it flowed smoothly, (D) scenes that feel tonally uneven. Personally I think Joker was messy in tone (D), and evenness (C). A few of the funny scenes undercut (to its detriment) the seriousness of what had just occurred. (I hated the walking into the window scene. I also hated the song choice on the stairs.) I do think he did a good job thematically (though the theming is simple) tying things together. The main problem with the film was its tone and its lack of subtlety/nuance.
@@crimsonrose messy isn't a vague term, there's no ambiguity about what a mess is. When the rock and roll part 2 cuts to the overbearing score on the stairs scene. When he throws his cigarette away on the stairs scene then it cuts to him with a cigarette in his mouth. There were a lot of mistakes in the editing, sound mixing and writing and it resulted in mess.
Well it has been for fucking ever. It's just not the only thing it's about, and only films that have political shit as a plot point used to worry about it.
I think the word “incel” is the only word I’ve ever been offended by. These people think just because I’m a lonely person I’m going to plan a mass shooting?! It’s incredibly insulting.
It's almost childish, the way they want to simplify people. Yes, there are "incels" out there, but that's not a synonym of an outrageous revolution coming out of nowhere due to a movie of a guy dressed like a clown. Reality tends to make more sense than that (most of the time).
They're being discriminatory themselves. As if they were trying to cover that criminals are actual humans, and that people that aren't criminals but have a certain mental illness related to deliquency aren't humans neither at all.
If incel offends you then you must be doing incel shit. Includes blaming women for your problems and not taking responsibility and blaming your personality for the reason you cant get a date thinking you are owed sex by them for being nice shiting on guys who can pick up women and have relationships. You can be lonely but be aware of the fact you can date or have sex without blaming others.
It’s an old game of feigning fear to get you to protest your harmlessness, then turning around and saying you’re weak and ignorant. But the minute you dispute them again, they say you’re a dangerous man to get you on the defensive again. They’re disingenuous and cry out in pain as they strike you.
tn 420 animations ...no? Its offensive because I am lumped into the same camp as those people and swept under the rug because these people can talk freely about it because Im a man. It’s both disgusting and lazy.
People who say this film will incite violence and people who say it's just left-leaning propaganda are both wrong. This movie isn't about any particular political view. It's the story of one man's journey into madness, told from his own limited, unreliable perspective. Yes, it shows the shortcomings of individuals and society and that's exactly the point--it calls out everybody, not one group or ideology over another. If anything, the movie is saying we need to lay aside political tribalism and simply be kinder to our fellow people.
I have watched artistic portrayals of depression for as long as I can remember, this is the very first film that I could actually connect with regarding that specific but oh so common mental illness, when I think of how I feel, the unbearable pain and misanthropy that comes after dealing with it for over 20 years, the introspection, the thirst... oh my god the grey tone of every color that reaches your eyes. Of course without violence upon others, but I feel for Arthur almost as if it was my broken head trying to get out of my body. It was beautiful and sad, it was a masterpiece and I am glad I saw it. It made me feel understood in some way. ps. I know Arthur's illness is different than plain simple depression, I just found lots of parallels that made me connect with it
it's a thinking film...something that are not used to doing...that take orders and react emotionally to what that are told to react to...logic has nothing to do with it as long as the agenda moves forward they get their participation trophy
Y'mean the people who are anti establishment? The people who care about being inclusive, and care about mental health? I don't think you're making the point you think you are.
Exactly. They are like some idiots trying to tell people flying if first class that they are losers. and coach on Spirit Airlines is WAY better. At this point, yeah OK whatever you say, enjoy your free bag of stale peanuts.
@@RUclipsChannel-dk5xv "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark" is a line from the play Hamlet, by William Shakespeare. An officer of the palace guard says this after the ghost of the dead king appears, walking over the palace walls.
@@ottohegner5761 "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark" is a line from the play Hamlet, by William Shakespeare. An officer of the palace guard says this after the ghost of the dead king appears, walking over the palace walls.
@@RUclipsChannel-dk5xv "oddly delivered" ? You asked a question, I just answered. What's odd about that? I repeated it to both separately because RUclips won't notify you of a comment unless you add @ before it.
Why should they count less? How is it when a critic views the film with different expectations than someone else, and reviews it differently, they're labeled "paid shills, access media, ect". by people like Gary here, and the rubes lap it up as fact. Seriously, from what I have read, it's NOT a 10 out of 10 movie, and from fans and critics alike, the critiques of both good and bad seem to be pretty equal between the two groups. So what's his issue? None, actually.
@@jonnystorm1 At least in the context of the film Joker, it's pretty evident that the critics ratings are of lesser value because they're inaccurate and biased to a noticable degree. If you think a 44% is a fair representation of those who loved and hated the film, you're fooling yourself. If in fact, as you say, the Joker is not a 10 out of 10 movie, at worst I would assume the critics score should be somewhere in the mid 70s. Of course, that's if they're picking a fair representation of critics from a variety of cultures who might equally like or dislike the film. Anyone with half a brain and a background in media should know this film certainly doesn't belong where it's at on the critics score based on the cinematography alone. At that point, the low ratings are just intentional.
Theoretically, art critics (of any art form) play in important role in our culture. They serve as quality control (warning about bad products) and point us to where the real quality art is. Such a person understands writing, directing, photography and acting alike. They should have been pushing people to go see "Joker." They should be explaining to the activists just how wrong they are to attack this wonderful film. Some are. Sadly, most of them are just paid shills. We need to turn away from such mainstream sources which force their critics to lie to us. They mislead us, harm good movies and promote bad ones.
I watched the movie, and I never saw how it shows 'incel' culture, I just saw the depressing story of a mentally unstable person having his, as the joker puts it, "really bad day"
It's literally about a man suffering from brain damage caused by a childhood trauma that causes mental hallucinations among other problems and not even remotely close to what the MSM calls "incel culture".
Bloody hell its a great one watch movie experience but would never watch it again tbh, very slow paced. And dont give me “lol dont have patience for decent story”, no just most of the movie was him dancing about with epically loud music, movie only got better when he realises hes deluded and puts the make up on and kills people.
@@samw2670 But with a movie like Joker, which is supposed to show the gradual deterioration of a person's mental health, you kind of have to take things slow. If the movie was fast-paced from the beginning, then the moment when he finally snaps wouldn't have much impact. Kind of like making a horror movie that just uses jumpscares from start to finish, without building any tension first.
@@samw2670 it's a matter of taste. I've seen it 7 times. Absolute masterpiece. If I was an adult when let's say Forrest Gump, Truman Show, Matrix, Fight Club, or Taxi Driver came out I would probably see those movies at least 3 times too. But Joker is on another level for me.
Sam W2 you seem like a very simple person who doesn’t like to theorize about undertones and philosophy of the movie itself , that’s ok bud but next time go see captain marvel or the avengers cuz intellectual movies aren’t for you .
No, it isn't. Kinda, but not really. I read reviews *after* I see the film, as I don't see the point in knowing the general outline or what to expect going in. Defeats the purpose. However, critics are paid to have more than just an opinion; anyone can have an opinion. Their job involves being really knowledgeable and insightful about films, more than most average folks. Just like a history professor could well have more knowledge and insight about a subject than most people, even enthusiasts of it.
Critics? Those who can't create or perform become critics. “It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena; whose face is marred by the dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions and spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best, knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who, at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly; so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory or defeat.”
Timberhawk This is either saying: A) If you haven’t done it yourself, then your criticisms means jack. B) No matter how much you’re criticized, only you know the feelings and emotions at the time when you made it and it became a fun memory and experience. And honestly, I’m okay with either interpretations.
No. YOU are fooling yourself. They don't exist to please neither you nor the masses. They're not pitching or selling a product. Are you for real?? They solely exist as professional critics - and I'm fairly certain they know way more about movie making than the average movie goer which usually is an angry teen still living at home - in order to give their opinion for those who are more predisposed to listen to their consensus than the "movie goers". "Movie goers" made the Twiligt movies make 3 billions worldwide. 3 billions! So they must be good then right? Right? Wrong. Do food critics tell you where to eat? No, they just give their opinion where the best food is found. Do consumer magazines tell you what products to buy? No, they just give their opinion (and they know more than the masses thank you very much) about what products they argue are good buys. What makes you think movie critics exist to tell you what to see. See whatever crap you want it's your choice. Be a sheep. Why can't some IDIOTS understand that movie critics don't exist to please you shallow clowns? And for that I'm GLAD. Whoever p*sses their pants and throws a fit because everybody doesn't think and do exactly like them really still are mentally 14. Most of your chimps here have been been sheltered by countless of vloggers who tend to your most basic needs endlessly. "Those so called critics are only fooling themselves" You are clearly a lost idiot who doesn't understand a godda*n thing. Now we both know that you're going nowhere in life so keep flipping that burger and talk about how "smaht" you are for getting something professionals clearly must be dead wrong about. Cretin. "and that is that." And that always comes from somebody who is immature and still mentally 14, or IS 14. Let's hope for your sake you really are 14.
you deserve all the dislikes in the world just for having that shitty joker as your profile pic,don't you feel ashamed? leto is the worst joker in existance
Chris Prusinowski the plot IS brilliant . Makes you think one thing , make you think about the pathetic cognitive dissonance between the morons on both left and right , both sides of all sociopolitical arguments , and also puts a mirror up to society to see how it treats itself and mentally ill others It can surely fly over the heads of emotional shills like yourself ... I mean rotten tomatoes .
Well duh because unlike the. Activists posing as critics, Jeremy is the regular movie going audiencr he don't play that game, he wants to go see a good movie
So I rarely comment, but I saw this film two days ago when it came to my tv. I had read some of the critics when it came out and really didn't expect much from it. One of the best movies I've ever seen. Brilliant. I have no idea what the critics were talking about. If Phoenix doesn't get an Oscar in two weeks I won't watch them anymore. Amazing performance.
It's so funny that almost all of them bashing the movie for violence? Did they not see "R" on the poster before watching the movie, Like doing their job for once?
They gave the AOC doc 100%. That’s really we all need to know about the mental state of these so called critics. It’s honestly getting really pathetic on their parts.
Yeah. As the number goes up, it tends to even and average out anyway. But in reality, anyone with a clue is, or should be well aware of what is actually going on. It is mirrored around the place, in virtually everything now. It has become blatantly obvious. Good grief, the yawning chasm of opinion between the so called critics and your everyday general public Joe, or Josephine, has become so ridiculous as to be far past utterly useless, it is verging on utter bullshit and total agenda or narrative pushing. That there are so many WILD arse examples of these wide disparities, and just how ridiculously wide they are AND the films that this happens on I would say is also pretty damn telling. As Redlife says. The mofo Alexandria Ocasio Cortez promotional documentary horseshit scored a perfect score, with the critics. Ha ha ha ha ha. Seriously. How the fuck could anyone possibly not detect the wreak of pure unadulterated, concentrated bullshite? One can also actually READ what the critics have to say, along with the scores. I really would have thought it was so blatant, so totally and patently obvious, that no one would attempt to pretend it wasn't in fact happening.
@El-ahrairah so you're implying that Joker having 44% rotten tomatoes score from "top critics" is justifiable? Because it only means that slightly over half of the top critics gave it a thumbs down? You think that's fair?
@El-ahrairah you're delusional. You keep saying "I, me, myself". We're talking about coordinated with shill money (or ideological) attack by the critics on an excellent movie. The goal wasn't to make you care about their opinion, the goal was to sway away the people who DO care from seeing this movie. The world doesn't revolve around you.
human: “yeah, that was cool/bad.” critic: “the indigestible glabaglook that is haplessly displayed across the cinema’s near-violated screen vibrates a sense of post traumatic stress inducing flabbity blah blah blah flippity flop big words im am a journalist”
deadly accurate. Seems like these journalists are just trying to make their articles confusing and needlessly bloated in hopes that the reader wont realize how illogical the actual argument they're proposing truly is.
If you've seen the movie, you know EXACTLY why they're doing this. The plot of the movie hit WAY too close to home for these people. The ENTIRE MOVIE the Joker and the clowns are screaming about 'the rich', and how they need to die, and it culminates with them rioting and killing rich people. Joker shows the logical conclusion of their 'soak the rich' mentality they've been pushing for years, and they don't like it.
I remember reading quite a lot of these reviews after seeing the movie and thinking "did we see the same fucking film?" Namely, the one talking about how Zazie's character isn't "3 dimmensional" when... spoilers... that's the point. Arthur imagined the entire relationship. Of course she wouldn't be "3 dimmensional," the character wasn't really there for most of her screen time. It also reminds me of MovieBob's review where late in the review he says something about "the real cause for all your problems is probably a woman" which is so far detached from what happened.
Isn't Joaquin Rafael Pheonix is Puerto Rican? "That technically makes him Hispanic. Isn't that a win for woke culture? I'm Hispanic, and I consider that a win for Hispanics. He's a phenomenal actor.
So because you were born to a certain culture/religion/ethicity then you can take credit for his work? So disrespectful, you had nothing to do with his auccess. Stop being so tribal.
If the word “critic” was replaced with “far left activist”, you’d have a more accurate definition of who was writing a vast majority of the “reviews” .
Its funny though, most/ some of them are white, and yet they hate white male, hypocrisy is blissly, they stupidly think their agenda would boast a fighting chance against the presidency, and anyone that doesn't agree their idiotic cause is white or support trump. Honestly I would even call them far left activist, they're so stupid to believe opening old wounds heals, I rather address them as Lost cause hypocrits.
Michael Segriff About as relevant as saying they all breathe air. Most of the people leaving good reviews and made the god damn movie are liberal. Plus, critics have never ever been in tune with audiences even before SJWs were a thing.
Did you grow up in the 80's/90's? Because I can assure you that's not how it works LOL "Nerds" back then were kids who played DnD, enjoyed comic books (ironic), were into video games and fantasy and were typically bullied to all fucking hell for no reason other than they weren't "popular". Now, all that shit is "popular" so "nerds" don't really exist anymore, so to speak. Incels are males who are so severely damaged, mentally, emotionally, etc due to not being able to stick their dick into a woman. Has nothing to do with the Joker's downward spiral, or nerds.
@@TheMistressMisery so Psychopath= incels edit: I mean Crazy "men"=incels edit 2: Crazy virgin men= incels who likes joker because "joker hates women in the movie", I don't even get why women hate the movie joker only killed white men like what do you want in your life he even got a imaginary girlfriend edit 3: black imaginary girlfriend
Joker was a dam fine movie. My best movie of the year. That's speaking as someone who prefers the Joker character not to have an origin story. The reviews highlights that the media shills work to an agenda and have no credibility any more.
It already beat SW at the box office, because everyone already thinks that movie is going to be terrible. No way that thing cracks a billion worldwide, especially since they never broke China the way they wanted, no matter how much they tried to "panda" to them.
@@ballsrgrossnugly If the politically-incorrect movie about an evil white clown guy beats the ultra-woke anti-male trainwreck that is today's "Star Wars", it will send a message even Hollywood can't ignore.
@@bluefalconssuck5881 The more they tighten their grip, the more fans will slip through their fingers. Seriously, that's a recipe for bombing at the box office. They can only afford to lose 50, 60, 100 million dollars so many times, especially if the studio in question isn't Disney. The mouse can withstand those losses for years, but Sony can't. You think the Japanese parent company will subsidize that? It won't. Sony isn't too profitable and the Japanese have no interest in propping up woke media. Comcast can't either. While it is true that Comcast is larger than even Disney, it has much thinner profit margins (providing cable and internet services isn't particularly high margin) and has been shown to be less woke. Comcast's main animation division (Illumination) isn't known for woke content, and Universal (owned by Comcast) doesn't make very many woke movies. NBC is owned by Comcast and is woke as hell (especially the MSNBC channel), but that's an exception, and it doesn't affect the movies made by Comcast's other divisions. As for Paramount (owned by the much smaller Viacom), they can't afford to get woke very often, MTV and their pending merger with CBS notwithstanding. They just don't have the financial wherewithal. I'd say Fox wasn't very woke either, but Disney owns them now, apart from Fox's news channels. And Warner Brothers? They're owned by AT&T, a traditional and rather straightforward telecom company. AT&T isn't woke, but it does expect all of its divisions to turn a profit, including Timewarner and its Warner Brothers movie studio.
@@Aristocles22 In no way do I disagree with you on the financial side. What you may not be seeing is that this goes beyond capitalism. In fact, it is in direct conflict with it BY DESIGN. This is an ideological play that they are WILLING to lose money on, if they can destroy all competition and dictate the future without competition. They have gone beyond pandering to the CCP to the point of allowing the Chinese Communist Government to DICTATE what can and cannot be made... And the promise of 1.4 BILLION enslaved and indoctrinated costumers is their reward for selling their souls for a chance at that market. It's akin to a company that retools in order to advance financially. They will take a short term loss in the hopes of a long term gain... And they will trash what was, in order to get it. Including YOUR RIGHTS guaranteed under the Constitution. One only has to look at Sports teams, The Gaming industry, Tech Companies, and Mass Manufacturers, that deal with China to see the truth of this. How much would you gamble if you could control EVERYTHING in your market?... Also knowing that if it failed, you wouldn't personally suffer for it.
The antagonist in Joker is not Arthur but the society; look at it objectively, Arthur receives no benefit from neither the anti-government or the government and the only time either side notice him is when he acts out violently and he finds irony in such pattern that his rewards increase proportionally with acts of violence. The media calls Joker "Dangerous" because it lifts up the couch showing the rotten junk food that has begun fusing with the carpet that no one wants to know about.
Literally just the fact that Batwoman has a higher score than Joker proves Joker's point in the movie, this is just- we truly do live in a society holy shit
Imagine the hell of watching every single piece of entertainment media and only being able to admit you enjoyed it if it conforms to a set of woke contemporary social politics. That's what being a professional film critic is like nowadays. They can't see escapism anymore.
The Joker movie had a lot to say, but I don't think any of it was "racial." That's an intellectually bankrupt argument and I'm pretty sure that writer didn't even see the movie.
Not only jealous. They just don't have the mental capacity to properly make a critic. They just say things based on the own liking. And that is not how a critic is made. That's why I don't give a shit to Rotten's so called critics. And that's why I've never considered Rotten Tomatoes a movie critic website. And it isn't.
Went to see the film today for the second time this afternoon, this time in IMAX. It is as good as I thought it was first time around. This film will be regarded, in the fullness of time, as one of the best films of the last 20 years. For me it was the tying up of the shoelaces that reflected the body tension and angst that will stay with me in the same way as Rutger Haeur owned Bladerunner in the final scene.
The Joker is hated by the media because it was the first blockbuster smash hit of my generation to expose what the media really wants, and really serves.
Fight Club does something very similar to the Joker, focusing on a neglected “White Male Middle/Working Class”. And yes, it got a lot of controversy, but the book/movie was loved way more than the Joker despite showing how to make bombs, peeing in rich people’s soup, and terrorizing civilization. Joker is child’s play compared to Fight Cub.
Come this year's Oscars, here's a little joke for everyone attending: What do you get when you cross an excellent performance by one of the best actors of our generation with the Academy full of bigoted, racist, sexist, social justice warrior self-proclaimed movie critics who treat this masterpiece of a movie like trash?
At first I thought Peter Bradshaw was a reputable critic. However, his rating the abomination Batman & Robin higher than Joker makes me call his reputation as well as his sanity into question.
Top critic score:
Ghostbusters 2016 - 63%
Joker - 44%
Rotten Tomatoes, I used to think you were a tragedy, now I realise, you're a comedy.
Paul McCloud I stopped trusting them after the Last Jedi and Ghostbusters got better scores than Joker.
@@HugoSoup57 I used to think they were good but now I know there currupt
What's the diference?
This is the best thing I’ve ever read
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The media wants Joker to fail because the movie exposed their true intentions
Idk aboout that chief. Maybe it just wasn't that good 2 them (I personally think it's brilliant) but that's a funny narrative, that the media "hate seeing themselves" in the films eyez
Wait, are you saying that the media and hollywood are fighting against something they both purposefully created and sold?
@@riotbreaker3506 I just feel the movie is going at society, not the media. I don't c how the media create someone like that, if anything it's society (like the movie says) and the media doesn't define an entire society
@@elfambino4066 not to mention that WE are society, and currently, being on the internet and communicating, we are the media too.
@@riotbreaker3506 true, but the media still overshadows us (the internet) a bunch. news outlets shouldn't really be mirrored in the movies eyez. like u said, it's the observer/participants who r responsible
It's disgusting how Batwoman gets a way better score then Joker by the critics
And with that, whatever shred of credibility these overpaid, blithering idiots had is gone.
That's what happens when you have conflict of interest
Batwoman is a TV show while Joker is a full fledged theatrical release. They don't compare remotely. Only 40 critics reviewed Batwoman, reviewers that aren't the same than those that reviewed the Joker, which was reviewed by 489 critics. See that disparity. 40 vs 489. They're not remotely in the same caliber. Obviously there's a disparity given the small sample in one vs the other. There is no equivalency whatsoever. Stop grasping at straws.
@@carlosgarciasanchez Why don't they show user scores for the latest Shaft movie then?
@@carlosgarciasanchez Stop being a shill!
Critics: “We give Joker a 44% on Rotten Tomatoes.”
Fans: “Where’s the punchline?”
Critics: “There is no punchline.”
knock
knock
no I think we had enough
It's the police ma'am your son was killed in @drunk driving accident... hes dead...
Where's the line for punch?
Good one.
It’s incredible how these “critics” just don’t even hide their intentions (straight up activism) when writing their reviews. Clearly, they don’t even care if the movie is actually good or not. They shouldn’t be called critics at all.
El-ahrairah there’s always that guy who is like “I am different this thing that everybody loved didn’t impress me” in every comment section and I always try to find them lol joker is a 7 movie?! Ok since we are saying non facts and don’t know what a 7 movie is I guess silence of the lambs is a 7 movie as well dark knight is a 4 and going by your standards tusk is a 10/10.
At what point do we start calling activism straight up bigotry and hatred toward white males?
What's incredible is how when a critic views the film with different expectations than someone else, and reviews it differently, they're labeled "paid shills, access media, ect". by people like Gary here, and the rubes lap it up as fact. Seriously, from what I have read, it's NOT a 10 out of 10 movie, and from fans and critics alike, the critiques of both good and bad seem to be pretty equal between the two groups. So what's his issue? None, actually.
The only 2 people who are non shill/access media that didn't like the joker that I've seen so far are Red Letter media, specifically Jay (who clearly has a testosterone issue if you look at how little muscle mass he has) and Razorfist who seemed to think it sucked because he scoffed that the Joker was oscar worthy. Otherwise it seems like all my youtube people who watched it said they loved it.
You are both correct. This is not a perfect movie. However, some of the reasons given for why this movie is bad are quite strange. Like why is this movie considered dangerous? Doesn’t anyone have the integrity to not follow movies/media as blueprints for their lives? It is entertainment.
Never realized that the “dangerous” argument they make against Joker is almost the same argument they’ve tried to make against violent video games for years now. Both being disingenuous arguments as well.
I think the problem that people, and me personally (nothing personal against Joker on my part), is the show of violence in the movie. I’ve never seen a school shooting video game before, but I have seen Joker. Joker *contains* controversial and provocative imagery. The relevance of mass shootings comes to mind when watching Joker. That’s the issue. An audience review on Rotten Tomatoes said “This movie is an inspiration to us all”
WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING. Everyone loses their shit. For context, when The Dark Knight Rises came out, there was a mass shooter at a theater. A man came into a theater with 400 people in it in full combat gear, with a gas mask, multiple firearms, and tear gas grenades.
He opened fire and throw his tear gas. 12 people died and 70 were injured. 4 guys died protecting their girlfriends. A man died protecting his teenage daughters.
When questioned, the shooter said he “was the Joker”. Do you see why people might be alarmed? Theaters banned costumes for Joker, preorder tickets were cancelled, some theaters refused to show the movie altogether. Critics fear the movie, but normies love it.
Nerdroctic is fundamentally a good channel. But I have yet to find a video of him *praising* something. It seems this guy has only bad things to say, mostly tin foil hat theories about the media banding together, and how everything is becoming woke and corrupt, OH MOVIES ARE RUINED, OH FEMINISM IS TAKING OVER.
I agree with some of his points. I despise the X Women line in Dark Phoenix. I dislike Captain Marvel as a character. I refuse to watch Season 11 of Doctor Who. It seems that Nerdroctic (idk his real name) is either sensationalizing everything to get views, or is actually believing in the things he says. Yes there is a *possibility* of the Cybermen being ruined by feminism. There is a *possibility* that the MCU will crumble because of feminism. But none of that is rooted in much fact. Spider-Man is still in the MCU (yay!). Black Panther, Doctor Strange, Ant Man, and many to be introduced heroes are male.
It appears to me that this guy doesn’t believe people can correct their mistakes. He scoffs and laughs at promises made, saying “it’ll never happen” or “the critics hate it because a white guy is the lead”.
He needs to leave his anti feminist bunker and have faith. Believe me, I hate forced feminism. I binged the Netflix show about glassblowing for three hours, and screamed at the TV when the judges said “This guy is the better artist, but her ideas are better” The feminist won and got her own art gallery, and the man who was there to show his son his work went home.
Here’s how I see it. Characters that are naturally female (Wonder Woman) should be left alone. Characters that are naturally male (The Doctor) should be left alone. The scrape is movies like Ghostbusters 2016, where women are forced into precedents set by men to be more PC. Men in Black International is a good example of this. I hate when good characters are ruined because of feminism (Jasmine).
There is a delicate balance between progressive media (Wonder Woman was the first superhero movie with a female lead and almost no feminism was involved) and forced progressive media (Captain Marvel speaks for itself) does that make sense?
@@rigatonipasta The "Joker" narrative about the cinema mass shooter is a fabrication by media. Basically a rumour repeated and naseum by Journalists who think "researching" means reading another news site's article.
Really, search it. I used to think this was true too, because well, I've heard this a thousand times. Was pretty surprised that it basically came from nowhere.
@@ShiroiTenken I didn't say that's what the movie is about. I meant that that is the message it is kind of sending. I love your username btw.
No, it isn't the same argument. The video game argument was that violent video games were making us numb and accustomed to violence. The Joker argument was that the film has basically the origin story of every white male shooter in the last few years, elevating them in some minds to the level of "hero." I see it more as self-reflection than a "we should censor ourselves" sort of thing. Telling a good story that also sells tickets requires at least some reflection of reality, and maybe we really do celebrate the underdog as they go down in a blaze of glory.
@@rigatonipasta LOL feminism and Marvel movies have both grown exponentially side by side. Wonder Woman being female, I get, but doctor Who? Not a big fan, but when was his penis essential to the plot? Also, many Marvel heroes switched from male to female or vice versa over the years, long before the age of the so-called "feminazis." It was an attempt to sell more comics to girls. Women want to see more of themselves on screen (just like the rest of us) and female filmmakers are starting to become more common, and want their stories told. Personally I think Ghostbusters 3 would have been garbage whoever starred in it. Dan Aykroyd couldn't even submit a good script for the second one. MIB International is another prime example: it's bad because the filmmakers ran out of ideas. Both movies were strictly made to cash in on a franchise. That's not something to blame feminism for.
Rotten tomatoes: we give it 44%
Joker: - wins Phoenix an Oscar in a few months -
Rotten tomatoes: am I a joke to you?
Joker: Yeah🤣
Jokes are funny and well liked. Rotten Tomato critic are neither of those things.
Fuck rotten tomatoes they don't know how to give reviews in real good movies.
@@mikerotchisonfire Then is it a prank bro?
thug: u think u can steal from us and get away with it?
ledger's joker: yeah XD
Feminists know how to make a squeeky wheel
When looking for a movie that is good
Find one the critics hate
Critics hated shawshank redemption when it first came out because it empathised with inmates but now it's seen as one of the best movies of all time.
I mean, that's just plain bad advice.
Maiq The Liar VII like the emoji movie
You just have to find one critic whose taste coincides with yours. Not always easy to do, as I'm still looking. I certainly don't look at audience scores, as I'm not typical audience. Audience score is just an average of the participating audience.
@iamthedave3 nope it's a good advice dumb kid.
Joker holds a mirror up to society. These 'critics' dont like how they look in the mirror.
Yep, the sad fact that "society" has become scary shallow. Be honest now. Had it not been named Joker (the famous Batman villain) how many of you chumps would have gone and seen it? It was named Joker just to reel you lot in. Everybody half reasonable and empathic knew how bad some people have it long before this movie, it's only now thanks to some movie some people have this "great revelation".
"the books that society deems immoral are the books that show the world it's true face"- Oscar Wilde
@@paulallen8109 what great revelation? everyone knows whats up. I havent heard one person say this film opened thier eyes or anything what are you talking about?
Mirror! Mirror!!
Is society mentally ill??? Does society kill defenceless women???
In France, Joker actually got a Golden Lyon (one of the most reknown Cinema prices) so yeah we recognize its worth
Italy, not France. "Joker" got the main prize at the Venice Film Festival, one of the three major European Film Festivals (Cannes, Venice, Berlin).
unknowning unknown he just told you lmao
@@henningbackhaus6268 yeah absolutely this year's was in the Venice but if I'm not mistaken it originated in France
you should also check out the Silver Lyon movie which went to Polanski's latest movie "An officer and a spy" (or "J'accuse" in its original title). Talks about one of France's most famous juridical scandal (Dreyfus Case) and it's really fascinating
@@victorbenoin4732 Venice is an Italian city. Always has been and always will be. At least until it'll sink into the sea.
It's all because Todd Phillips said: "Woke culture has killed comedy."
Mister Pinchy and he’s right
Woke Culture: We haven't killed Comedy. Look! Here's a Burburger from Madonalds with a side of Ches. LOL! It's full if fully and glee! Why aren't you laughing? Have no sense of humor?
It has woke culture equals 🤮🤮🖕
Truth
this shit was going on before he said that
When that one critic started bringing up the race of the boys that beat up Joker, and the lady on the bus, I immediately knew his opinion was to be completely disregarded. Watching the movie I never even noticed these things, because they are not the focus and play no part in the grand scheme of the movie. That dude, like many other critics, just doesn't get it.
Right? Skin color is irrelevant as those particular experiences transcend race.
And he's saying the bad guys have to be white. The movie has white villains, and Joker is white. Goodness.
Aren't they the ones objectifying the black kids at the start of the movie, by focusing on their race? The lady on the bus was just an irritated mother. How on earth would would it have been any different if it was a white irritated mother? In fact, the woman on the bus was displayed as the most understanding (out of all of his bullies) because after reading his card, she no longer yelled at him. Compare that to the WHITE MEN on the train, who wouldn't leave him alone after hearing him laugh, and didn't even give him the chance to show them his card. BTW he didn't only kill black people in this movie, like the "Critics" claim. They say he was pushed to murder by a black cast, but the three white men were the ones that pushed him to his first murder. This movie is about a SOCIETY dragging a mentally ill man through the mud, and last time I checked, black people are a part of our society.
Sorry for the rant.
Um weren’t the three assholes who beat him up on the train all white?
When these people freak about representation, they only want unquestionably positive representation. Presenting anyone who isn't a white man as, you know, people who can do both good and ill, is evil to them.
Joaquin Phoenix is the fucking best
Apparently so.
He knocked it out of the park with this role. I wonder how he could possibly top this one.
He is and I believe because of all the controversy he will be snubbed this Oscar season, in what will be the biggest snub since Baz Luhrmann's for best director on Moulin Rouge!, prompting host Whoopi Goldberg to remark, "I guess [it] just directed itself!
Joaquin's a frickin' boss!
This was a fantastic video. Joaquin Phoenix is one of the few smart people in Hollywood.
Critics calling the Joker "dangerous" are saying *ideas* are dangerous.
Ironically that's also why the nazis burned the books....the media are fascists
aka fascism
*Government & The Elite Fear Intensifies*
I love this movie, but how are they wrong? Ideas ARE dangerous, and there are countless examples I can cite
@@HyyDee I agree socialist and communist ideas are extremely dangerous
Looks like Joker is causing a lot of chaos, which is literally what his character is: "an agent of chaos." If that isn't what a successful joker movie is suppose to do then I don't know what is.
Thats just the DK. Go read a comic book
Wow you nailed that one :)
@@delycan4912 ?? As if "The killing joke" doesn't exist.
good one
Bingo
Joker: Kills 6 People = TOO VIOLENT
John Wick: Kills 100 People = Fine
it's actually more than 100 :p
It's only a movie ,killing in movies are fantasy.
What about all the deaths from guns, in the real world.
If Arthur Flex had a romantic relationship with a woman, the movie objetifies the women.
If in A clockwork orange a woman is raped to death, the movie is a masterpiece.
@Tony And the Joker does?
Tony that’s not the point 😂
I still have some friends in the military, and the whole "U.S. military on alert for Joker" was total BS.
They actually used the term incel which I find very unlikely that the military would use a trendy and derogatory slang term (essentially a meme) from leftist culture to describe a serious threat. That to me sounds very much like a made up headline or one that took so many liberties with the truth that it may as well be a lie.
Is it even legal for people to falsify a statement from the U.S. military? Surely that's not allowed.
+Madeline Bell The articles about the supposed "alert" were based on rumors. The ONLY U.S. Army post to actually put out a warning to the soldiers stationed there, was Ft. Sill, OK. The idiots in the "internet media" and the MSM blew it way out of proportion by claiming that the whole U.S. military was put on alert. Unfortunately, it isn't against the law to report rumors. All these idiot reporters have to say is "I heard it from a source" and they're basically off the hook.
joker was a good movie, but this statement is full of crap, because it could be applied to the last jedi too.
Well depends what they do. If they're a medic working in a hospital they obviously have nothing to do with security management. So.
_"The key to being a good critic is having good taste"_
*Hmm yes, the floor is made out of floor*
Are you sure the floor taste's like roof to me
Floors are always confusing to navigate
Floors are just walls settled down due to gravity so floors taste like walls to me idk...
It's high fibre!
You don't say?!
Critics give it a bad score, yet it’s the only film I’ve seen in the cinema in the UK where it got a round of applause at the end from the audience...
Avengers Endgame?
Ryan Martin Same thing for me, first time people applauded after the end at my cinema.
@@Shape1999 Wow, seriously? That would kind of seem inappropriate. My theater was completely silent at the end...I mean dead silent. Both times I went to see the movie and was sold out.
Chris jT I don't know.. It shows how much people loved it i guess cause it's the first time that it happens in my cinema
@@Shape1999 Yeah, that's pretty impressive I must say.
People applauded in the cinema. Never seen people do that in Sweden before.
Happend when I saw it like two weeks after the release date, if I remember correctly, I was quite drunk at the time
@Caspean Sea sometimes you get a better viewing experience
@Caspean Sea I'd say so. You get less annoyed with the rest of the cinema audience, you get easily emotionally connected to the story. Just don't drink beer, because you'll have to go to the bathroom in the middle of the film, and don't get piss drunk so you don't fall asleep or become rowdy or whatever
They did the same in my local cinema
Wish I lived in that region with you guys man.
Joker is at half a billion dollars now! Money talks, sh*t walks.
Over 600 mil now. We are getting 1 billion for sure
@@nillynush4899 Nah, I don't think it will reach 1 billion. Maybe 800 million but not much more.
@@nillynush4899 We? Did you work on the movie?
@@jumbo4billion He paid for the movie, he contributed to the 600 million, shouldn't it be we?
@@liltidbot-1963 No. If you give me a dollar, we haven't made a dollar, I have.
I can see why someone wouldn't like this movie, but being the culture police is the wrong reason to hate any movie.
@@apestogetherstrong341 how the fuck does a movie about a mentally ill man turned by society into a monster have anything to do with the media?
@@ThePowerpointMaster You clearly didn't watch the movie. If you had, you would know how the media was portrayed in the movie and how much that resembles real life.
@@John-vm2zi I watched it 3 times, tell me the parts about the media.
@@ThePowerpointMaster I think when Arthur is called by the show. Where his clip is shown only for laughing stock. CMIIW
Why do you see that? Because you can't handle raw / gritty / cynical reality?
Joker: *A well made, emotional film, main protagonist is a complex character, does the Joker character justice, amazing acting*
Critics: OmG iT's DaNgErOuS!
Batwoman: *Literally SHITS on the legacy of Batman, protagonist's only character traits is she's gay (that's literally it), poor acting, overall a tasteless story*
Critics: I love it!!!
Me watching Joker: Joker is such a brilliant movie
Me Watching Batwoman: the fuck is this shite
Yeah, it's because the "critics" aren't real critics at all. They look into every movie for their woke politics and if they don't see it in there they give it a bad score. Another dude said it perfectly earlier in the comment section: they're not critics, they're culture police.
"well made" is a reach lol. this thing would be nothing had they not been lucky enough to snag Joaquin Phoenix. it's alright, but anyone treating it like a masterpiece has just had their brain melted by mainstream capeshit to the point that any modicum of depth amazes them. in a year with so many great film releases this is just another hyped (but underwitten) comic movie.
@@maggy154 nah i'm just not a shit taste brainlet incapable of thinking for themself like Joker obsessives lmao. see more movies
Joker had a bad plot overall IMO. I didn't watch batwoman nor do I want to,it seems ever worse.
You know this is a joke when even Suicide Squad with Jared Leto's joker has a better rating (59 %)
Lmao
Seriously!? OMFG....
Lol
I liked it.
It's not a joker movie so thats just you reaching. Suicide Squad is a better movie minus the cheesy cgi bad guys.
Do you know what's annoying, whenever people hate on movies like Captain Marvel, the media calls them trolls who apparently haven't seen the movie and hate it. But they are doing the exact same thing with the Joker movie so why don't we just call them trolls who don't have a taste.
Captain Marvel is SJW propaganda and Joker is try-hard incel-bait. People don't watch movies anymore, they only watch agendas, their own or anyone else's.
I liked Captain Marvel and I am going to see the Joker soon.
Like Cpt Marvel wasn't the best movie ever but I thought it was a fun movie.
h3nder it was but everything behind it like the feminism women in power etc etc bullshit.. and that’s why I don’t like the movie
Because joker is art and captain marvel is trash
@@JessicaGarcia-xf9wr Fair enough
We don't need critics anymore.
or thought control either
True. The internet gave us all a voice. Critics are dinosaurs.
Well said. Interestingly this film got a standing ovation from the French critics. !
@sightinsight I was referring to mainstream media critics and the payola that maintains their career.
I still like this idea of critics, reviewers, or experts.
My Mexican mother loved the movie, so she has White incel rage I guess. I'm not surprised to be honest🤣
and all this time you never knew or suspected all that suppressed white incel rage was present and just bubbling below the surface....shows you just how sneaky that white rage is...popping up where you least suspect it...scary....
Inquisitorial Llama she’s Mexican Joker
(South Park season 23 ep 01)
Inquisitorial Llama I’m half Mexican half Guatemalan and I feel the white incel rage within me 😂😂
Welcome back to Earth Jesus, please begin Revelations, I'm tired of this Earth.
Because she identify as a single white male who can't get laid
Everyone I know loved this movie, just keep talking about it and make hollywood realize that we want actual movies back
when a meme page like 9gag is more reliable than Rotten Tomatoes.
@@frank832 nah, 9gag better
Well, even 1d4chan has more credibility than Rotten Critic Ketchup
Oh no not 44% it must be bad, guess I'll not go see it a 4th time 😥😅
44%? I just looked, it's at 68%
must be all those empty theaters with sold out ticket sales in advance that's causing all of the confusion and accounting errors
@J. C. you are a clown for thinking you can come down here and lecture us on how ROTTEN TOMATOES work. We are all fully aware of the intricacies of their system. Top critics is what the video is looking up, and wouldn't you agree that if top critics gave it 44% then it must be a bad movie according to top critics?
And yet, normal people who aren't retxrds LOVE the movie.
jersey Mcgee great movie
@J. C. yes, overall critics gave it 68% but that is way too low for a movie of this craftsmanship and quality. And still, that was not the point, the point was top critics' reviews are politically charged with agenda.
"The key to being a good critic is having good taste."
*Laughs in Armond White*
Armond White is honestly a better critic than most of these SJWs
@@robertwilliams4682 anyone with a disagreement is an sjw.
@@tn420animations9 anyone with a disagreement is a nazi
The ultimate contrarian
@@tnm5583 His last name is White, both his parents are white but he said, "Nah fuck you, I'm black."
Mr. Phoenix's performance was one of the best I've ever seen and I'm 68 years old. I was completely mesmerized by him. It's very rare to see an actor encapsulate a character. Loved it and have watched it many times!
69 now😏😏
Absolutely, definitely in the top 10 if not 5 films for me this decade
Audience: Joker was the best
"Pro critics": Joker is a joke and Batwoman is way better
Me: *spits out water* nani?
As in, how? Joker was soo good
Joker movie with an Oscar : *you're already dead*
OMAE WA MOU RESUBIAN!
何!?
There's a Batwoman movie?
Rotten Tomatoes allowing an Audience score was their biggest mistake lol
@Sniper480 they were lookin kinda dumb with their fingers and their thumbs in the shape of an L on their foreheads
Jack Crater lol I agree and if they suddenly take away the audience score that would be the end of their website👍🏾
@@youzettasonsofdigits1639 Yeah, well just like movies, the years start coming and they won't stop coming
@Sniper480 you do know warner bros owns rt
@@tn420animations9 just bc they own RT doesn't mean anything companies make a profit just by owning them no matter the result. Have you ever seem ERBH, is a yt channel, they are owned by a entertainment producer company that is owned by another one that is owned by Disney. But they still made a satire joke about Walt Disney either way
Even describing the film as “a mess” is just an outright lie. I’ve seen it twice now and the second time I realised just how obvious and concise the story actually is. Everything leads to something in the film. It’s just not a mess at all.
That's what I keep seeing these critics do. They just say things without actually explaining why they think it's that way? Like, please define "mess". What made the movie a "mess"? I seen a lot call this movie "cliched" without actually talking about what they found cliched. Just take their word for it I guess?
The use of the score was messy, the part where they beat you over the head with obvious narratives was messy, the connections to Bruce Wayne and the Batman universe were stupid and unnecessary
Society has loss it’s credibility.
We live in a society.
"Messy" is unfortunately a vague term in film criticism. It means several things. (A) Scenes that were unnecessary (this can also mean scenes that do currently have a function but the critic thinks they could have been combined with another scene to achieve the same end), (B) scenes that were unnecessarily long, (C) scenes that were not pieced together in such a way that felt like it flowed smoothly, (D) scenes that feel tonally uneven.
Personally I think Joker was messy in tone (D), and evenness (C). A few of the funny scenes undercut (to its detriment) the seriousness of what had just occurred. (I hated the walking into the window scene. I also hated the song choice on the stairs.) I do think he did a good job thematically (though the theming is simple) tying things together.
The main problem with the film was its tone and its lack of subtlety/nuance.
@@crimsonrose messy isn't a vague term, there's no ambiguity about what a mess is. When the rock and roll part 2 cuts to the overbearing score on the stairs scene. When he throws his cigarette away on the stairs scene then it cuts to him with a cigarette in his mouth. There were a lot of mistakes in the editing, sound mixing and writing and it resulted in mess.
All I hear is "color" "politic" "female"... When did movie critic came to become this "thing" to show your political ideal?
Well it has been for fucking ever.
It's just not the only thing it's about, and only films that have political shit as a plot point used to worry about it.
When communists tried to silently infiltrate everything
@@nightofthunder5509 the fuck it has to do communist
I hate how something “political” in the United Stated is simply something that offends someone, instead of a critique of the flawed system we live in.
I think the word “incel” is the only word I’ve ever been offended by. These people think just because I’m a lonely person I’m going to plan a mass shooting?! It’s incredibly insulting.
It's almost childish, the way they want to simplify people. Yes, there are "incels" out there, but that's not a synonym of an outrageous revolution coming out of nowhere due to a movie of a guy dressed like a clown. Reality tends to make more sense than that (most of the time).
They're being discriminatory themselves. As if they were trying to cover that criminals are actual humans, and that people that aren't criminals but have a certain mental illness related to deliquency aren't humans neither at all.
If incel offends you then you must be doing incel shit. Includes blaming women for your problems and not taking responsibility and blaming your personality for the reason you cant get a date thinking you are owed sex by them for being nice shiting on guys who can pick up women and have relationships. You can be lonely but be aware of the fact you can date or have sex without blaming others.
It’s an old game of feigning fear to get you to protest your harmlessness, then turning around and saying you’re weak and ignorant. But the minute you dispute them again, they say you’re a dangerous man to get you on the defensive again. They’re disingenuous and cry out in pain as they strike you.
tn 420 animations ...no? Its offensive because I am lumped into the same camp as those people and swept under the rug because these people can talk freely about it because Im a man. It’s both disgusting and lazy.
Rotten tomatoes needs to be ignored from now on.
People who say this film will incite violence and people who say it's just left-leaning propaganda are both wrong. This movie isn't about any particular political view. It's the story of one man's journey into madness, told from his own limited, unreliable perspective. Yes, it shows the shortcomings of individuals and society and that's exactly the point--it calls out everybody, not one group or ideology over another. If anything, the movie is saying we need to lay aside political tribalism and simply be kinder to our fellow people.
True
Most sensical comment I’ve read 👍🏼
Agreed in a world where one half of people says guns should be banned and the other half saying more people need guns they ignore the real problem.
*The only joke is the fact that they think they're good critics-*
I have watched artistic portrayals of depression for as long as I can remember, this is the very first film that I could actually connect with regarding that specific but oh so common mental illness, when I think of how I feel, the unbearable pain and misanthropy that comes after dealing with it for over 20 years, the introspection, the thirst... oh my god the grey tone of every color that reaches your eyes. Of course without violence upon others, but I feel for Arthur almost as if it was my broken head trying to get out of my body. It was beautiful and sad, it was a masterpiece and I am glad I saw it. It made me feel understood in some way.
ps. I know Arthur's illness is different than plain simple depression, I just found lots of parallels that made me connect with it
I felt the same as you.
feel you， severe depression and mild anxiety diagnosed several years before, but I suffered for more than 10 years
It feels like they're opposed to complex films that actually have people feel feelings. Shame.
it's a thinking film...something that are not used to doing...that take orders and react emotionally to what that are told to react to...logic has nothing to do with it as long as the agenda moves forward they get their participation trophy
@@scottmantooth8785 very true. It's just a shame is all.
@@devilsxdancex09 agreed
Jennifer Sepeda true one part like when he says how am I going to get my medication really hits home for me
They want you to only feel what is appropriate to feel at that time.
Is it just me,
or is it getting crazier out there?
Yes it is arther thay don’t care
😺😃😃😃😃😃😃
The Mayans were right after all we just misunderstood them
The world didn’t end in 2012 but it definitely started dying that year
Good comment wasn’t disappointing
Yeah it's getting completely crazier
Joker is the ultimate anti-fat-chick-with-glasses-and-purple-hair feel-good movie of the year.
Okay! I'm buying the DVD movie then.
lol
Y'mean the people who are anti establishment? The people who care about being inclusive, and care about mental health? I don't think you're making the point you think you are.
@@soliel5680 They care about these things if you're not a CIS white dude.
@Andy Garcia Man U stupid u probably gave up in calculus 3
The bias was all to be expected, what it really exposes...is their irrelevance!
Exactly. They are like some idiots trying to tell people flying if first class that they are losers. and coach on Spirit Airlines is WAY better. At this point, yeah OK whatever you say, enjoy your free bag of stale peanuts.
Lol more like deeznuts !!!
These “critics” should honestly be fired
They need a more diverse stable of film critics. An all SJW staff will limit the appeal of their product to only uncle humping SJWs.
Basically the entire media industry and silicon valley should be fired. They are one big white-male hating, marxist echo chamber.
@@orlandotouristtraps7410 an Alt Righter. You're a lemming if you think the movie is pushing some Trumpian ideology.
@@Tom-sd2vi So WHY do you support the "entire media industry" by paying $12 for a ticket???
@ that sounds like something someone with two accounts would say
ROTTEN TOMATOES SURE HAS THE RIGHT NAME BECAUSE THERE IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING ROTTEN AND IT'S NOT IN DENMARK
What?
whats not in denmark?
@@RUclipsChannel-dk5xv "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark" is a line from the play Hamlet, by William Shakespeare. An officer of the palace guard says this after the ghost of the dead king appears, walking over the palace walls.
@@ottohegner5761 "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark" is a line from the play Hamlet, by William Shakespeare. An officer of the palace guard says this after the ghost of the dead king appears, walking over the palace walls.
@@RUclipsChannel-dk5xv "oddly delivered" ? You asked a question, I just answered. What's odd about that?
I repeated it to both separately because RUclips won't notify you of a comment unless you add @ before it.
These people are calling my left wing boomer parents “Incels”... Now that’s something I never thought I’d experience...
Why should their opinions count more just because they get paid?
Why should they count less? How is it when a critic views the film with different expectations than someone else, and reviews it differently, they're labeled "paid shills, access media, ect". by people like Gary here, and the rubes lap it up as fact. Seriously, from what I have read, it's NOT a 10 out of 10 movie, and from fans and critics alike, the critiques of both good and bad seem to be pretty equal between the two groups. So what's his issue? None, actually.
Lol...to me they dont count at all.
I never look at critic activist reviews...lmao!!!
@@jonnystorm1 At least in the context of the film Joker, it's pretty evident that the critics ratings are of lesser value because they're inaccurate and biased to a noticable degree. If you think a 44% is a fair representation of those who loved and hated the film, you're fooling yourself. If in fact, as you say, the Joker is not a 10 out of 10 movie, at worst I would assume the critics score should be somewhere in the mid 70s. Of course, that's if they're picking a fair representation of critics from a variety of cultures who might equally like or dislike the film. Anyone with half a brain and a background in media should know this film certainly doesn't belong where it's at on the critics score based on the cinematography alone. At that point, the low ratings are just intentional.
@@jonnystorm1 I like when people come here to actually discuss something. You're just here to copy/paste.
Theoretically, art critics (of any art form) play in important role in our culture. They serve as quality control (warning about bad products) and point us to where the real quality art is. Such a person understands writing, directing, photography and acting alike. They should have been pushing people to go see "Joker." They should be explaining to the activists just how wrong they are to attack this wonderful film. Some are. Sadly, most of them are just paid shills. We need to turn away from such mainstream sources which force their critics to lie to us. They mislead us, harm good movies and promote bad ones.
I watched the movie, and I never saw how it shows 'incel' culture, I just saw the depressing story of a mentally unstable person having his, as the joker puts it, "really bad day"
It's literally about a man suffering from brain damage caused by a childhood trauma that causes mental hallucinations among other problems and not even remotely close to what the MSM calls "incel culture".
Because you don't insert your political opinion into everything.
This just widens the smile on my face as I go to see Joker for the 3rd time tomorrow.
Arent u just an edgelord
Bloody hell its a great one watch movie experience but would never watch it again tbh, very slow paced. And dont give me “lol dont have patience for decent story”, no just most of the movie was him dancing about with epically loud music, movie only got better when he realises hes deluded and puts the make up on and kills people.
@@samw2670 But with a movie like Joker, which is supposed to show the gradual deterioration of a person's mental health, you kind of have to take things slow. If the movie was fast-paced from the beginning, then the moment when he finally snaps wouldn't have much impact. Kind of like making a horror movie that just uses jumpscares from start to finish, without building any tension first.
@@samw2670 it's a matter of taste.
I've seen it 7 times.
Absolute masterpiece.
If I was an adult when let's say Forrest Gump, Truman Show, Matrix, Fight Club, or Taxi Driver came out I would probably see those movies at least 3 times too.
But Joker is on another level for me.
Sam W2 you seem like a very simple person who doesn’t like to theorize about undertones and philosophy of the movie itself , that’s ok bud but next time go see captain marvel or the avengers cuz intellectual movies aren’t for you .
The film is a masterpiece.
Film critic is the most redundant, useless, unnecessary job on the planet.
It served a purpose before the internet. Now it's completely pointless.
No, it isn't.
Kinda, but not really. I read reviews *after* I see the film, as I don't see the point in knowing the general outline or what to expect going in. Defeats the purpose. However, critics are paid to have more than just an opinion; anyone can have an opinion. Their job involves being really knowledgeable and insightful about films, more than most average folks. Just like a history professor could well have more knowledge and insight about a subject than most people, even enthusiasts of it.
@@wet-read true, but I think they did miss the mark with joker this time, but hey we all make mistakes
Phoenix: gets a Oscar
Media: You know what, make Joker 0 on Rotten Tomatoes
Black panther: stale. Media: 100
Joker: Great. Media: 40
Kek, what kind of clown gives that rating, to the critics you ain't a clown you're an entire circle.
Yes, the ENTIRE circle. Indeed.
Black Panther is a good movie, but I get it
@@biglion3179 Good movie ... lol k. We was kangs!
@@biglion3179 Black Panther is literally the most basic thing out of all heroes movies. Literally no plot.
Critics? Those who can't create or perform become critics.
“It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena; whose face is marred by the dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions and spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best, knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who, at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly; so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory or defeat.”
Timberhawk beautiful
Timberhawk This is either saying:
A) If you haven’t done it yourself, then your criticisms means jack.
B) No matter how much you’re criticized, only you know the feelings and emotions at the time when you made it and it became a fun memory and experience.
And honestly, I’m okay with either interpretations.
Where's your attribution? Put their name underneath. Unless i'm mistaken, it was Theodore Roosevelt who used these words.
@@Nathan-sc7hs Wasn't aware we were writing MLA essays here..
I find it really funny that mass media never heard of the term “incel” and never used that word up until the Joker trailer came out.
In all honesty incel is a recently popularized word.
Komfy Koala
Popular but they don’t know what it means
Then they became experts overnight.
When the critics start paying for my movie tickets, that's when I might start caring about what they have to say.
Those so called critics are only fooling themselves. Movie goers liked the Joker and that is that.
No. YOU are fooling yourself. They don't exist to please neither you nor the masses. They're not pitching or selling a product. Are you for real?? They solely exist as professional critics - and I'm fairly certain they know way more about movie making than the average movie goer which usually is an angry teen still living at home - in order to give their opinion for those who are more predisposed to listen to their consensus than the "movie goers".
"Movie goers" made the Twiligt movies make 3 billions worldwide. 3 billions! So they must be good then right? Right? Wrong.
Do food critics tell you where to eat? No, they just give their opinion where the best food is found.
Do consumer magazines tell you what products to buy? No, they just give their opinion (and they know more than the masses thank you very much) about what products they argue are good buys.
What makes you think movie critics exist to tell you what to see. See whatever crap you want it's your choice. Be a sheep.
Why can't some IDIOTS understand that movie critics don't exist to please you shallow clowns? And for that I'm GLAD. Whoever p*sses their pants and throws a fit because everybody doesn't think and do exactly like them really still are mentally 14. Most of your chimps here have been been sheltered by countless of vloggers who tend to your most basic needs endlessly.
"Those so called critics are only fooling themselves" You are clearly a lost idiot who doesn't understand a godda*n thing. Now we both know that you're going nowhere in life so keep flipping that burger and talk about how "smaht" you are for getting something professionals clearly must be dead wrong about. Cretin.
"and that is that." And that always comes from somebody who is immature and still mentally 14, or IS 14. Let's hope for your sake you really are 14.
Paul Allen 🤡 this person really wasted energy writing something no ones going to read
@@pekinwooffangirl What a Joker am I right?
Movie-goers also generally liked Venom, and critics *hated it*. Gee, it's like critics don't understand what people want...
@@paulallen8109 Answer me this question. What exactly qualifies somebody as being a professional critic?
RT: we don't like this movie
Joker: sorry, you would not get it
I Don't like it either. There is nothing brilliant about the plot. Only Joaquin Phoenix's performance.
The movie isn't for everyone. It is briliant though.
you deserve all the dislikes in the world just for having that shitty joker as your profile pic,don't you feel ashamed? leto is the worst joker in existance
Chris Prusinowski well thats just your opinion. And that all it ever will be.
Chris Prusinowski the plot IS brilliant .
Makes you think one thing , make you think about the pathetic cognitive dissonance between the morons on both left and right , both sides of all sociopolitical arguments , and also puts a mirror up to society to see how it treats itself and mentally ill others
It can surely fly over the heads of emotional shills like yourself ... I mean rotten tomatoes .
They’re no longer film and tv critics anymore(if they ever actually were), they’re now film and tv social justice advocates.
The Joke ?
"Critics"
No wonder Joker has a good sense of humour.
This quote isn't mine, so don't rant about:
"When you award me with my Oscar, can you introduce me as Joker?"
2019- When Jeremy Jahns is the only RT critic I respect.
Well duh because unlike the. Activists posing as critics, Jeremy is the regular movie going audiencr he don't play that game, he wants to go see a good movie
Alex Cucina He was one of the few on RT to give Dave Chappell a positive score.
Alex Cucina I really enjoy Chris Stuckman’s review
Both Jeremy Jahns and Chris Stuckmann I’d say
So I rarely comment, but I saw this film two days ago when it came to my tv. I had read some of the critics when it came out and really didn't expect much from it. One of the best movies I've ever seen. Brilliant. I have no idea what the critics were talking about. If Phoenix doesn't get an Oscar in two weeks I won't watch them anymore. Amazing performance.
His performance was good. You can tell he put his all into it. However, both the character and the plot are lacking in many ways.
These critics were obviously paid. Their opinions are for sale for a reasonably price of course. 🤣
It's so funny that almost all of them bashing the movie for violence? Did they not see "R" on the poster before watching the movie, Like doing their job for once?
@@thecompanioncube4211 Maybe they were mad that the R didn't mean there'd be tons of titties, lol.
@@thecompanioncube4211 They didn't say a thing about the new Rambo LMAO
Leto paid the critics...
kent leonhart who the fuck would pay critics to rate a movie BADLY? This is the dumbest shit I read this week
They gave the AOC doc 100%. That’s really we all need to know about the mental state of these so called critics.
It’s honestly getting really pathetic on their parts.
Yeah. As the number goes up, it tends to even and average out anyway.
But in reality, anyone with a clue is, or should be well aware of what is actually going on. It is mirrored around the place, in virtually everything now. It has become blatantly obvious.
Good grief, the yawning chasm of opinion between the so called critics and your everyday general public Joe, or Josephine, has become so ridiculous as to be far past utterly useless, it is verging on utter bullshit and total agenda or narrative pushing. That there are so many WILD arse examples of these wide disparities, and just how ridiculously wide they are AND the films that this happens on I would say is also pretty damn telling. As Redlife says. The mofo Alexandria Ocasio Cortez promotional documentary horseshit scored a perfect score, with the critics. Ha ha ha ha ha. Seriously. How the fuck could anyone possibly not detect the wreak of pure unadulterated, concentrated bullshite?
One can also actually READ what the critics have to say, along with the scores.
I really would have thought it was so blatant, so totally and patently obvious, that no one would attempt to pretend it wasn't in fact happening.
@El-ahrairah so you're implying that Joker having 44% rotten tomatoes score from "top critics" is justifiable? Because it only means that slightly over half of the top critics gave it a thumbs down? You think that's fair?
@El-ahrairah you're delusional. You keep saying "I, me, myself".
We're talking about coordinated with shill money (or ideological) attack by the critics on an excellent movie. The goal wasn't to make you care about their opinion, the goal was to sway away the people who DO care from seeing this movie. The world doesn't revolve around you.
I have to wonder if even an SJW can sit through to the end of the AOC documentary.
they would not have been "approved" if they werent SJW communist pets
the reason critics don't like Joker is because Joker exposes how inhuman we all treat each other.
The dancing of the Joker on the stairs is and will be one of the most iconic scenes in movies!
human: “yeah, that was cool/bad.”
critic: “the indigestible glabaglook that is haplessly displayed across the cinema’s near-violated screen vibrates a sense of post traumatic stress inducing flabbity blah blah blah flippity flop big words im am a journalist”
Nice.
deadly accurate. Seems like these journalists are just trying to make their articles confusing and needlessly bloated in hopes that the reader wont realize how illogical the actual argument they're proposing truly is.
Agreed. They are using complicated language without any reason in order to seem smart and trustworthy
@@IngvarMar that's their only ticket in journalism
Hahahah true
If you've seen the movie, you know EXACTLY why they're doing this.
The plot of the movie hit WAY too close to home for these people. The ENTIRE MOVIE the Joker and the clowns are screaming about 'the rich', and how they need to die, and it culminates with them rioting and killing rich people.
Joker shows the logical conclusion of their 'soak the rich' mentality they've been pushing for years, and they don't like it.
well, they ARE called Rotten Tomatoes.
I remember reading quite a lot of these reviews after seeing the movie and thinking "did we see the same fucking film?"
Namely, the one talking about how Zazie's character isn't "3 dimmensional" when... spoilers... that's the point. Arthur imagined the entire relationship. Of course she wouldn't be "3 dimmensional," the character wasn't really there for most of her screen time.
It also reminds me of MovieBob's review where late in the review he says something about "the real cause for all your problems is probably a woman" which is so far detached from what happened.
Isn't Joaquin Rafael Pheonix is Puerto Rican? "That technically makes him Hispanic. Isn't that a win for woke culture? I'm Hispanic, and I consider that a win for Hispanics. He's a phenomenal actor.
jlopez47 I remember him as motherfucking emperor Commodus. In my opinion, he was the main protagonist, not Maximus. 😂
So because you were born to a certain culture/religion/ethicity then you can take credit for his work? So disrespectful, you had nothing to do with his auccess. Stop being so tribal.
Mauricio Porte you’re reading to far into this. He’s making a point.
You logic is stupid. Some like all black people born In Europe are Whites. Stupid. Most of Latino America is white and part Indians.
He was born in Puerto Rico but isn't ethnically Puerto Rican
If the word “critic” was replaced with “far left activist”, you’d have a more accurate definition of who was writing a vast majority of the “reviews” .
I think "far left bigot" is more apt. Their hatred of white males is appalling and hypocritical.
@@DeepenedDelusion I think "fart"...
Its funny though, most/ some of them are white, and yet they hate white male, hypocrisy is blissly, they stupidly think their agenda would boast a fighting chance against the presidency, and anyone that doesn't agree their idiotic cause is white or support trump. Honestly I would even call them far left activist, they're so stupid to believe opening old wounds heals, I rather address them as Lost cause hypocrits.
Michael Segriff About as relevant as saying they all breathe air. Most of the people leaving good reviews and made the god damn movie are liberal. Plus, critics have never ever been in tune with audiences even before SJWs were a thing.
This isn't a "far left?" thing. This is a establishment hack thing.
1980's "nerd" = 2019 "incel".
Bingo! Same old tired insults for anyone who isn't a sheep.
Did you grow up in the 80's/90's? Because I can assure you that's not how it works LOL "Nerds" back then were kids who played DnD, enjoyed comic books (ironic), were into video games and fantasy and were typically bullied to all fucking hell for no reason other than they weren't "popular". Now, all that shit is "popular" so "nerds" don't really exist anymore, so to speak. Incels are males who are so severely damaged, mentally, emotionally, etc due to not being able to stick their dick into a woman. Has nothing to do with the Joker's downward spiral, or nerds.
@@TheMistressMisery so nerds were known for sticking their dicks in vaginas?
@@TheMistressMisery so Psychopath= incels edit: I mean Crazy "men"=incels edit 2: Crazy virgin men= incels who likes joker because "joker hates women in the movie", I don't even get why women hate the movie joker only killed white men like what do you want in your life he even got a imaginary girlfriend edit 3: black imaginary girlfriend
@@TheRaininblack he killed the nurse in the end
Joker was a dam fine movie. My best movie of the year.
That's speaking as someone who prefers the Joker character not to have an origin story.
The reviews highlights that the media shills work to an agenda and have no credibility any more.
I said it before and I'll say it again: the lower the RT score, the better the movie. Works like a charm, every time!
RT: Batwoman 69%'
RT: Joker 68%
Me: Aiight, imma be out.
If Joker keeps this up, it will beat Star Wars at the box office this year. Imagine that. It already beat Solo.
It already beat SW at the box office, because everyone already thinks that movie is going to be terrible. No way that thing cracks a billion worldwide, especially since they never broke China the way they wanted, no matter how much they tried to "panda" to them.
@@ballsrgrossnugly If the politically-incorrect movie about an evil white clown guy beats the ultra-woke anti-male trainwreck that is today's "Star Wars", it will send a message even Hollywood can't ignore.
@@Aristocles22
HollyWoke will just tighten their grip to make sure actual good movies will not be made in order to save their Propaganda machine.
@@bluefalconssuck5881 The more they tighten their grip, the more fans will slip through their fingers. Seriously, that's a recipe for bombing at the box office. They can only afford to lose 50, 60, 100 million dollars so many times, especially if the studio in question isn't Disney. The mouse can withstand those losses for years, but Sony can't. You think the Japanese parent company will subsidize that? It won't. Sony isn't too profitable and the Japanese have no interest in propping up woke media. Comcast can't either. While it is true that Comcast is larger than even Disney, it has much thinner profit margins (providing cable and internet services isn't particularly high margin) and has been shown to be less woke. Comcast's main animation division (Illumination) isn't known for woke content, and Universal (owned by Comcast) doesn't make very many woke movies. NBC is owned by Comcast and is woke as hell (especially the MSNBC channel), but that's an exception, and it doesn't affect the movies made by Comcast's other divisions.
As for Paramount (owned by the much smaller Viacom), they can't afford to get woke very often, MTV and their pending merger with CBS notwithstanding. They just don't have the financial wherewithal. I'd say Fox wasn't very woke either, but Disney owns them now, apart from Fox's news channels. And Warner Brothers? They're owned by AT&T, a traditional and rather straightforward telecom company. AT&T isn't woke, but it does expect all of its divisions to turn a profit, including Timewarner and its Warner Brothers movie studio.
@@Aristocles22
In no way do I disagree with you on the financial side.
What you may not be seeing is that this goes beyond capitalism. In fact, it is in direct conflict with it BY DESIGN.
This is an ideological play that they are WILLING to lose money on, if they can destroy all competition and dictate the future without competition.
They have gone beyond pandering to the CCP to the point of allowing the Chinese Communist Government to DICTATE what can and cannot be made... And the promise of 1.4 BILLION enslaved and indoctrinated costumers is their reward for selling their souls for a chance at that market.
It's akin to a company that retools in order to advance financially. They will take a short term loss in the hopes of a long term gain... And they will trash what was, in order to get it. Including YOUR RIGHTS guaranteed under the Constitution.
One only has to look at Sports teams, The Gaming industry, Tech Companies, and Mass Manufacturers, that deal with China to see the truth of this.
How much would you gamble if you could control EVERYTHING in your market?... Also knowing that if it failed, you wouldn't personally suffer for it.
This is the best thing that could possibly happen critics giving joker a bad score and the audience loving it. We truly live in a society
These critics are the only once showing rage
That's because they are frustrated that no one is listening to them.
There should be a Rotten Critics website to rate film critics.
Media:"If you go see this movie you're evil shreeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!"
Me: "I got's ta see it".
I love being evil, it just means I can piss off these snowflakes however I want and not feel bad about it >:3
@@megaman37456 :P
My birthday is a week away and I will see this Movie, I dont care if these fucking stupid snowflakes have a bitch ass problem.
Yes, and most people feel the same way. The best way to make something a success is to try to keep people from having access to it.
The antagonist in Joker is not Arthur but the society; look at it objectively, Arthur receives no benefit from neither the anti-government or the government and the only time either side notice him is when he acts out violently and he finds irony in such pattern that his rewards increase proportionally with acts of violence. The media calls Joker "Dangerous" because it lifts up the couch showing the rotten junk food that has begun fusing with the carpet that no one wants to know about.
"the only people you can present as villains are white people right now"
Thanos: "reality is often dissapointing"
Painting a white guy purple don't make him Papa Smurf.
DASS RAYCISS
Desolate Hound
I mean he’s an alien not even a human
2019 Is the year of the Clown.
2019: SEND IN THE CLOWNS
Literally just the fact that Batwoman has a higher score than Joker proves Joker's point in the movie, this is just-
we truly do live in a society holy shit
Imagine the hell of watching every single piece of entertainment media and only being able to admit you enjoyed it if it conforms to a set of woke contemporary social politics.
That's what being a professional film critic is like nowadays. They can't see escapism anymore.
Why stop at film critics? If you write for something, it's generally like that now.
Joker: (Gets a bad score from critics but is loved from the audience)
GKOTM and Venom: First time?
Godzilla 2 was crap.
Why is it so hard to figure out that just because something is popular doesn't necessarily mean it is good? And vice versa?
The Joker movie had a lot to say, but I don't think any of it was "racial." That's an intellectually bankrupt argument and I'm pretty sure that writer didn't even see the movie.
Critics: _“this movie is a 44%”_
Joker: am I a joke to you?
Don't worry, people are just jealous
Not only jealous. They just don't have the mental capacity to properly make a critic. They just say things based on the own liking. And that is not how a critic is made. That's why I don't give a shit to Rotten's so called critics. And that's why I've never considered Rotten Tomatoes a movie critic website. And it isn't.
Went to see the film today for the second time this afternoon, this time in IMAX. It is as good as I thought it was first time around. This film will be regarded, in the fullness of time, as one of the best films of the last 20 years. For me it was the tying up of the shoelaces that reflected the body tension and angst that will stay with me in the same way as Rutger Haeur owned Bladerunner in the final scene.
The audience gave perhaps the highest score possible. It simply exposes the critics for what they really are.
Let's get a petition going to have the stinking word _"problematic"_ removed from the lexicon . . . please . . .
Fuck that, own it like a rapper owns "nigga"
@Max Raider Because they are "problematic"? XD
Great video as always Gary screw the Access media from trying to start a mass shooting
When you know anything about the Joker then you know that he loves to expose the wokeness / hypocrisy of the world and the joke about it.
The Joker is hated by the media because it was the first blockbuster smash hit of my generation to expose what the media really wants, and really serves.
Fight Club does something very similar to the Joker, focusing on a neglected “White Male Middle/Working Class”. And yes, it got a lot of controversy, but the book/movie was loved way more than the Joker despite showing how to make bombs, peeing in rich people’s soup, and terrorizing civilization. Joker is child’s play compared to Fight Cub.
The Club is already forgotten. And this is good. Do you remember the first rule?
Is this a test?
Come this year's Oscars, here's a little joke for everyone attending:
What do you get when you cross an excellent performance by one of the best actors of our generation with the Academy full of bigoted, racist, sexist, social justice warrior self-proclaimed movie critics who treat this masterpiece of a movie like trash?
Joaquin Phoenix is going to need to do a series of center to right leaning acting roles or he will get fire branded by both sides.
"You get what you fucking deserve!"
fuwafoowa mur-RAY
let er rip if he doesn't get an oscar
RUclips Channel What if he’s old rightist?
At first I thought Peter Bradshaw was a reputable critic.
However, his rating the abomination Batman & Robin higher than Joker makes me call his reputation as well as his sanity into question.
Damn, I wish I'd found this channel is 2019. Felt like I was yelling into the wind back then.