I went to art school. Where your art is constantly critiqued by classmates and teachers. I almost wish everyone had to take at least one class like this. Because you learn how to critique a piece without being a total asshole. There’s a tactful way to go about it. And the internet can’t do that. At all.
On the flip side, I'm a writer and I took a creative writing class in high school and I wish that we were allowed to critique each other! Constructive criticism is really important to develop a skill. Everyone should have to take a class that teaches it, i agree
not to mention i miss getting critiques!! i love my friends who always write nice comments under my art, but how am i supposed to keep getting better..?
Dance major and they would not survive at all… the criticism and straight up backbone you have to gain because they’ll get on you for everything and the brutal critiques well u just gotta take it, move on and keep working harder
It is actually really interesting that we have a "white boy of the month" roster, and when we get bored, or another 25-35 year old guy does a press tour for a big film or show, we just drop and move on and nothing else is expected because there's an understanding of the industry, but with female celebrities, a villainous picture has to be painted to justify "throwing them away". I think it almost goes back to your Marylin video where you mentioned the public's inability to distinguish who she was as a celebrity and who she was as a person. The approach to men is much more relaxed, but with women its personal, everything is intentional, what they're doing directly reflects what they think about the people who watch them. It's a similar cycle to wbotm but much more hostile. Weird.
I think this goes hand-in-hand with the rise of anti-intellectualism. Children aren't being taught to read phonics now and are instead reliant on context clues and memorization of common words. In other words, the next generation is being taught to consume without thinking independently. Criticism, even when it's "mean" or "being a hater" is still really necessary.
My niece called me broke cause she went through my wallet and didn’t see any bills. I told her mom but I have invested my money in bank accounts so I’m not broke… this generation sees money money as being rich, no honey it’s not real online😅
Anti intellectualism took root in online spaces that were also seen as art hubs like the infamous “the curtains are fucking blue” essay on Tumblr from the 2010’s
I also think the internet has rewarded reactionary rage baiting (which is often just harassment dressed up as "criticism") and people are probably heiring on the side of being agreeable and nice to avoid any association with that...which is part of anti-intellectualism and the decline of critical thinking/ media literal. It isn't really criticism, it's rage farming - which the algorithm rewards because outrage drive up engagement. A review can be scathing and harsh without being personal.
children still learn phonics. and there are immature ways to criticize art regardless of tone. having a negative or positive opinion about something is not valid criticism if it can’t be supported by evidence. also, education in criticism goes far beyond basic phonics. everyone can have an opinion, but not everyone’s opinion is going to be valid in terms of criticism.
hi! i know you probably won't see this, but the reason that "reviews" on most media outlets are listicles, recaps, or positive thoughts is because outlets want to remain on PR lists. i work in music journalism atm, and we are not allowed to write actual criticisms, meaning most of the team opts to summarize the song and its inspirations. we can't write anything negative, because it means potentially being blacklisted by PR teams and not being allowed to listen to embargoed music. opinion columnist roles require at least 7 years of experience in the industry, and are usually focused on local issues or restaurants, rather than pop culture. surprisingly, it's not just bending over backwards for SEO-- if that were the case, the articles themselves would at least be somewhat honest. on many applications for other copywriting roles, companies list that you must write in their "voice" in order to continue with the application process, which typically means mind-numbing glowing reviews for something that the writer might have strong feelings about, one way or the other. honest coverage in most publications is, quite frankly, dead, leaving many journalists to attempt freelancing through substack pages and the like, which is so competitive and overinflated that it's difficult to get by doing just that.
This is sad for me to read because my sibling is a screenwriter/freelance writer who made a substack account just because it seems to be the thing that is being encouraged by those with more experience. It sucks that one could think this is the way to go when its really not going to end well, based on what you have relayed in this comment. I occasionally review books and movies too (it's more like a hobby for me) but feel discouraged by the state of social media pop culture criticism (among other reasons) to even write another article or create a blog. Overall, being a writer sucks these days. I think I'll stick to painting lol
I work on the other side of this coin as a PR coordinator and can vouch - my manager often tells me not to pitch to any reviewers who might write something negative about our clients and not to pitch anyone who has a reputation of being "too critical" even if they are just giving their honest opinions
Thanks for that insight. I did think it might be like this and yeah, that confirmed it. It’s so stupid though, too, because only constructive criticism can lead to actual improvement. I’m scared but also glad when people give me an honest review and also tell me what they didn’t like about something.
i dont get when people say "if you dont have a nice thing to say, dont say it" like??? writing a bad review is legitimate, especially if it is consistent. people confuse insulting an author/creator with criticizing the work 🧍🏻♀️I'm on goodreads a lot and I don't know how many times I've seen authors bitterly take bad reviews and bashing who wrote them, just because they weren't praising their books ☠️
Isn't the entire point of a review to... review a work? And review will include information about strong and weak part of the thing? what the hell do people think review is?!
@@ilovemycatrosie0 yeah, literally one author posted this reel where she framed a one star review of her book and hung it in her office, making fun of the person that had written it (the comments were full of people basically saying the sentence I reported and mimicking the way the rievew was written) out of curiosity, i searched and read the rievew: its only faults were that it was negative and that the person used colorful emojis, but I really think they were to keep the review jovial
@@MrsRimavelle dunno 🤷🏻♀️ It just seems to me that for a few years now, there has been this climate of repulsion towards negative reviews because they "destroy the author's self-esteem" "because the author has made so many sacrifices to create it" ecc. but that's just its not the case at all, especially for well written reviews, not straight up insults and one stars just for the sake of it
when I say “let people enjoy things” I mean let’s not poke fun at or bully people (especially online) because they have a hobby/are a fan of something that you are not. I think that phrase though has kind of lost meaning because there’s such a difference between criticism of a work/concept and making fun of someone/ a group of people.
Was typing a comment just like this! Usually when I see that phrase (or use it myself) it's because the sentiment is "This media is dumb and bad and anyone who likes it is also dumb and bad" or because there isn't any recognition that taste is subjective and not everything is made for everybody.
Yeah I hated the hate (😂)that was thrown at Poor Things when it became more popular because of the success at the Oscars. I totally get not vibing with the premise of the movie and being very unkomfortable with the topics depicted. But there were a lot of people crying that this movie promotes pedophilia and everybody who enjoys it is also a pedophile and this movies need to be banned. Like thats were I draw the line. It's like these people never heard of true disturbing films like "A serbian movie" or "Eraserhead" There are so many disturbing movies out there. I love to exchange my opinions on movies with people especially if they don't agree with me as long as its respectful. I loved to read comments on controversial topics, because I am curious about other worlviews out there. And I wanted to leave my comfortable Bubble to reflect on my thoughts. But thats barely possible now. Because People are such assholes on the Internet (and in RL ofc) its insane. @@chloekuroi
yes!! i think this is rlly applicable to taylor swift bc i see so many people just be plain rude to other people just bc they listen to taylor swifts music, or act like their taste in music is awful just because they like her music and it’s so annoying. just because YOU don’t like her music doesn’t mean other people shouldn’t be allowed to? it’s like they think the things they enjoy or don’t enjoy should be the basis for everything good or bad.
The whole thing about how the media is "getting sick" of a lot of popular women today or just successful women as a general reminds me of how in an interview Margot Robbie came out and spoke about how she felt as though people were getting tired of her after Barbie and all that. And a lot of others brought up the point of how a woman will be very talented so get casted in a few movies in the span of a year and after those two movies or maybe even albums, the public will already be "sick" or "tired" of her. But then there's men such as Leonardo Dicaprio, Tom Cruise, and Brad Pitt who are men that are literally in EVERYTHING and not only that but they've also been around for such a long time, but you rarely ever see people complaining about them being in too much. You usually only see them receiving praise for their talent and ability to do multiple shows and movies in a year. It might be reading into it too much but it truly just feels like rooted misogyny in the brains of many. Also, to be honest, I'd much rather see Margot Robbie in 10 films a year then Leonardo Dicaprio.
Cause those are world movie stars through generations has been in all generations don’t get me wrong Margot had immense success followed through barbie I say the movie was a success and she succeeded and was everywhere cause of barbie how it made everyone excited back in June made everyone go to theatres in a long time but they didn’t went to see the movie for Margot but for barbie after all barbie is a brand and something many girls grow up with barbie was the star not Margot but for dicaprio cruise pitt they are renowed movie stars people do infact go to theatres for their movies she was everywhere for barbie that’s it and nobody said they were annoyed of seeing her everywhere
@@Ladolcevitaprincess you didn't really explain anything. The comment you're responding to is asking why men aquire that status and women don't, (unless they're old). You just reiterated the premise of the question -"it is how it is because it is how it is". Society always ends up getting "tired of" female stars, and they need to have a long break before coming back, but that never happens to men. The reason why seems to be misogyny
@@roelin360 not true there is mery streep who is over 40 and still is thriving a respected figure i cant think of anymore that have reached meryl status probrally cause its not many good actresses in hollywood ? Ever thought about that well same cant not be said for korean actresses who actually Are good and can act
@@Ladolcevitaprincess There are more than enough good actresses in hollywood, more often than not even way more talented than their male counterparts which becomes the most obvious when they are both still more inexperienced. But actresses rarely ever seem to recieve culture status. Instead producers keep shoving all these old men into roles that should be given to new and rising actors, while the women always seem to be the youngest model they can get away with.
@@lexa2310 again not true there is few good actresses but its was from the old age like Katherine hepburn audrey hepburn joan crawford vivien leigh these Are actually good actresses i call them real cause their actually puts on a performance that feels real again i found Margot Robbie very mediorcre to watch and i wont call her a good actress cause she is not she is just like everyone in hollywood very dull and boring they Are just not entertaining to watch or good like Dicaprio cruise Johnny depp
In an extremely niche internet community, my sibling wrote a tactfully critical (not 1-star) review of a game. The author of the game then gave all of my sibling's own work 1 star ratings immediately (no way he played the games). It sucks when people are trying to treat others as adults and they can't do the same.
Ayo Edebiri (pronounced Ed-eb-rie) said in a Vanity Fair video from 8 days ago that that is why she's no longer posting on Letterboxd. She's a comedian and people take it too seriously and personally.
Was coming here to say this!! Didn’t she mention in that video that people were posting her reviews on Twitter and that’s why she was stopping? I loved it when she reminded everyone that she was a comedian first.
There's two types of 'haters'. There's people who hop onto a bandwagon or feel like they need to hate on something or someone in order to 'humble' them simply because they don't like seeing someone else be celebrated and appreciated for their work especially if they personally didn't like it. Then there are 'haters' who have genuine and constructive criticism to give and aren't just doing it because they hate someone or want to bring them down because seeing someone fail brings them a sense of comfort with their own failures. Too many people on tiktok and insta don't have any genuine criticism to give and lack media literacy thus giving a bad name to true critics who genuinely love the medium- whether it is film, music, etc.- that they are critiquing.
You see this a lot when Jews critique nazi/holocaust work critically (one Jewish woman got death threats for not liking Jojo rabbit!) It’s also really common w POC being blasted by white people they just “Don’t get it” even though said work is supposedly about & for them… 🤔
The amount of times I've been called jealous for criticising someone promoting dangerous behaviour online or spreading misinformation is absolutely wild
Telling people, especially women, to be nice to each other or my favorite, not "tear each other down" is akin to telling women to shut up. Criticism is important.
not all criticism towards women is important. in fact the vast majority is worthless and rooted in nothing but misogyny. its so odd we pretend 'let people dislike women' is something feminism needs to work towards like hating women isn't literally already the default.
I feel mixed on it. I've definitely seen people use this as a way to deflect any unwanted criticism away from them, which is really shitty. But then again, there are many instances of people tearing women down for misogynistic reasons, I actually do think that the examples in the video, Anne Hathaway, and J. Law, were at least partially hated and torn down due to misogyny. I think especially in a social media ecosystem, it can be tough to differentiate in that split second people's motivations to criticizing others and whether our focus on said targets are warranted or not. Anyone can participate in misogyny, even women. If someone is tearing someone down in such a way, what's the best way to address it without telling women to shut up?
@@dapiridoobthat's a good point. On social media we need to separate the actual controversies and poor behavior from people just trashing each other for no reason. Unfortunately, I notice online that people treat them the same
My biggest issue with online reviews is that it feels like 90% of negative reviews are talking about how a piece of media is morally bad, instead of actually criticism. It feels like people have no room for nuance. Instead of just disliking something, these reviews have to prove they are morally superior than everyone else.
interesting take but honnestly can't you just ignore it? Like me personnaly I rate a movie on letterboxd based on what I liked abt it or not, and Im not necessary reading +300 reviews of the same movie I think. When I need more nuance on a topic I mostly go on reddit, ppl there seems to fit your view more, or they can bring nuance to a lot of interesting topics I think which is cool, so basically there are some apps where I expect less nuance and other where I know I'll find more. I think having radical views also tell something about us, like most ppl radically agree that killing is bad, which is important so we don't kill, but with nuance we can somehow understand that some situations can force you to kill (not for most ppl obviously but you get the idea).
Intellectual criticism is dead. People always respond defensive as if you’re attacking them personally. I wrote a book review once on a biography of this famous artist. And although I criticized the BOOK, the fans went on to accuse me of plainly hating their favorite artist. That’s why if I don’t like the book I’d rather not make a review about it. The internet scares me.
Intellectualism is dead but I think education is also at fault at that. But it is annoying to see the “You’re wrong - I’m right” mentality rising. There is no in between, or possibility of a discussion. Because it would so one-sided that will make you feel exhausted, and wonder why even bother.
Ironic that your comment shows that things are “DEAD” and “ALWAYS”. Then you go onto site your single anecdotal experience. If you have the right (and you do) to criticise something, then people also have the right to respond to you. You’ve also just contradicted yourself by saying the internet scares you. Do you think you’re the only person hurt by critiques, and only when it’s a response? Everyone is a human, not just you.
i feel like social media pressures everyone to have 100% rock solid opinions over everything. its completely fine to be like "this was how it read to me" or even just "i dont get it❤️". like film studies classes ive taken straight up pause at several points for in depth discussion and basically require rewatching outside of class.
Yeah, we're mostly just witnessing. Maybe masterpieces if you take certain parameters, maybe crap in all parameters, but really, who has time for that? It's fine if you don't have or don't enjoy spending time analyzing the layers of some art, or if you just appreciate some things. I'm a student, and I DON'T HAVE TIME for that. I generally just react to whatever's going on on the screen. That being said, I personally hate with a passion Call Me By Your Name because of THE CONTROVERSY WITHIN the movie, and because it relies waay too much on things I JUST DON'T appreciate that much in that genre, like soundtrack and the v1bes. I think it lacks a lot, but that's because I appreciate some explicit dialogue or monologue when people are getting to know each other, not just tiptoeing around. Then again, I LIKE EXPLICIT WRITING. That's why. It isn't lacking, I just don't appreciate that level of subtlety in that kind of scenarios. Subtlety on Curious George (The film) sat pretty well with me.
I feel we always forget that someone not liking something doesn’t mean you can’t still like it or enjoy it - we don’t have to take it personally. I love Dune, my partner HATES it. Him hating it doesn’t mean I can’t still enjoy it, and me enjoying it doesn’t mean he can’t hate it. We can just be okay with that, I dunno. If something feels really personal to me, I just won’t engage with content on it until I’m in a place to engage on it. But I also don’t engage on social media anyways so I dunno lol Great video! Really poignant topic for the time!
I think an aspect of not taking a bad review personally is understanding that someone explaining why they don't like a thing gives just as much information as a positive review explaining why they do like it. If you and your partner both wrote reviews of Dune reading both would give me a pretty good Idea of whether I would enjoy it. I watch a makeup reviewer that makes a point of mentioning how easy compacts are to open. I might not want a product that opens too easily if I'm going to be carrying it around in my purse but someone with arthritis might want the easiest product to open because they struggle with compacts with tight latches. Nothing is for everyone and I've bought things based on someone else's bad review.
I agree, but I also think there's a difference between saying "I think this movie is dumb" and "You're dumb if you like this movie", and a lot of 'criticism' is the latter
@@liv97497 Yes, and I think some people hear "I didn't like this" as "youre dumb if you did". Aligning your personality to a bit of media is definitely a thing.
Totally agree, to elaborate on Dune specifically, I think people are bad at voicing the difference between "this is a white saviour series" and "I don't think this effectively criticises the white saviour trope, so I think its bad." I've read Dune, and I love it, but I fully agree that the first movie wasn't explicit about its criticism of the white saviour trope in a way that made sense to most people that hadn't read the book. Before seeing part 2 with my friends, who hadn't read it, we did a viewing party of the first part. So, I know this isn't a hot take, because I spent a good portion of that time explaining the internal monologue of characters that were just staring at or past the camera.
If you don't use the goodreads rating system, I think you'd like TheStoryGraph as an alternative to goodreads, they use a clearer book classification system, based on moods and bits of information like "Is this book more plot or character focused" etc. Of course it also has star rating, and even though it's the least focused on, it allows for x.25, x.5, x.75 stars which is much more nuanced than goodreads.
I love Storygraph! I find it much more helpful in reviews/generic feedback plus it has the trigger warnings ⚠️. Once you have a profile setup that triangle is next to the books that qualify with your specified triggers so that you can make informed reading decisions. It's a great setting 💜
@@yourlittleinsomniac5369I LOVE their trigger warnings system. At the height of my mental illness, pre-medication, I'd be very easily set off if I read the wrong thing but still wanted escapism into fantasy. It was such a relief to look up a book and go "ah not for me, okay, I'll consider something else"
Yes! Story graph has reviews but it's not front and center. There's a LOT of popular books that are highly rated on goodreads that I didn't enjoy. So I'll go back to reading sypnosis to choose my books - which story graph let's me do!
The black and white thinking on TikTok drives me crazy. There always has to be a “side” and you have to choose one side otherwise people will force you into a box anyway. A good example is with Challengers. A lot of people took away the message that the crux or “twist” of the story was that the two men love each other and zendaya’s character loves tennis (including me, as I thought the movie made this pretty clear). But then there’s a bunch of people in the comments saying “NO they all loved each other in different ways and Zendaya loved both of them”. Like yes? That’s also part of it and a fair interpretation that can be true at the same time…why is that even an argument?
35:13 "If the majority has done my thinking for me, I can move on to something else. People don't want to think." That is the best summation of so much internet discourse I can possibly think of!
Haha I'm a lady who likes feminine things. I used to do figure skating so was around hockey a lot. Hockey is my favorite sport to watch, specifically for the hysterics (grown men randomly fighting each other on skates). 😆 in MI, there is also an added thing of throwing (already dead) octopus on the ice, which is really weird.
True or literally any kind of sports that's mostly male dominated. I'm a huge football fan and I used to go to the stadium all the time a few years ago. Grown men were either yelling, destroying things or fighting each other when their team lost - or hysterically crying when their team won a trophy. There's A LOT of hysteria when it comes to typical masculine stuff lol.
@@VideosForYou90 Here in my country every Sunday someone d*es in some fight at soccer games, it's just "normal" by now, couple months ago there was a Taylor Swift concert and the medical team gave ANXIETY MEDS to TEENS at the concert because they were "hysterical", but I've never heard about it when it comes to males.
I heard that the team actually made fun of her on social media and then someone replied to that being like "guys...she's literally your whole target audience and also a really nice person and did everything in your favour and it was still trash" and that's where I feel like we've come full circle with her being called a "hater". But it also shows that not taking criticism seriously will get you nowhere bc only one of the two had to close their Star Wars experience hotel.
I remember Mike Tyson once said something along the lines of "people get way too comfortable talking shit on the internet, before the internet people used to get punched saying shit like that"
It does bother me that people will equate media literacy to “being able to interpret the “RIGHT” meaning from stories.” The problem is that the “right” meaning can be very subjective depending on the work, and just because you think what you’re getting from a story is 100% correct doesn’t mean people can’t have a different, yet equally valid takeaway from it. No, people who interpret pieces of media differently from you do not lack media literacy. As long as it’s a thoughtful or even interesting look at a story, then who cares if it doesn’t match up to your interpretation?
Really. Media Literacy is more about finding a stance based on reasoning, context, history, the work itself. This why I hate “Explained” videos. They imply there is ONE correct way to interpret a work rather than this is the OP interpretation. You have a different interpretation than someone and still be media literate.
I've found that more often than not, online discussions push me farther away from things rather than encourage me to seek it out. It's to the point where if I want to check it out, I'm not seeking any information online about, I'll engage with it - form my own opinions about it and talk about it with my friends. The internet truly sucks the joy out of everything. And I don't mean that in a criticism bad kinda way. I just mean it is exhausting to try to participate in discussions about anything. No one seems to know how to respectfully disagree online, yet I bet those same folks wouldn't be so bold if they were speaking face to face.
jlo’s career has always been a scam like she didn’t even sing the main vocals of half her songs 😭 and her breakout role was from profiting off the death of selena quintanilla like TWO YEARS after her death, and even she wasn’t the first person in mind 😭
Honestly it was collectively messy of people to call her out on it when we all know what she said was true and she had no choice but to be on SNL with JLO. Some people were the "omg did you hear what Tiffany said about you?!" friends in hs and it shows
THANK YOU for talking about how Dune is not a hero story!!! The books do not portray Paul as the hero and it's made extremely clear by book two especially.
The movie made it so clear it was almost cringeworthy- I was baffled that people still didn’t get it after that. One thing I think is funny about it is that Villeneuve said he “fixed” the book because Herbert was sad people misinterpreted it as a hero’s story, when really you can’t fix peoples’ bad media literacy.
LITERALLY. if anything, Paul is shoved into the role of “the hero,” he didn’t ask to be the kwisatz hederach but had to do it so that he could survive.
It's funny watching people get annoyed with people who still like Paul even knowing him as a villain/antihero or even for making a defense as to why he should be seen as a hero. Guess it speaks to the complexity of Frank Herbert's characters.
as a kpop fan, i feel like a lot of fans don't accept criticism because for them "criticizing" something means absolutely tearing it to shreds and pissing on it. It's never "i don't like this groups new song" it's something like "this groups SUCKS SO BAD" or something like "this groups music is not my taste" turns into "this group is UGLY AND UNTALENTED"
Hm idk where you're looking? I mostly go on the r/kpop if I wanna know what they think of a release, and most people have valuable critique. Depending on how bad the group is performing you might see only positive stuff of delulus trying to ignore that the company abandonded their fav. And obviously you have to be able to see if there's a movement against a group. But straight up mean comments get deleted or downvoted, it's self-regulatory. And the mixed fanbase guarantees a mix of opinions or more critical voices which obviously isn't always easy to digest if you see it as a fan but it's honest. Even the group's own subreddits are often quite differentiated but I don't often go there bc most groups are either not big enough or too negative (I'm an Insomnia and since there's no scandals for our group it has kind of become a trend for the last 2 years to complain about every title track of Dreamcatcher when it comes out - only for it to do just as well as the others. But that's diving more into the fandom, I also like rkpop bc it's not just stans being happy but how the GP and other kpop fans take it.)
@@moongirl8807 that’s bc the demographic on Reddit is more mature and know what constructive criticism is compared to other social media platforms like Twitter amd YT
@luneosol yeah and bc Reddit is closely moderated. And I feel like there's barely any children. Adults can be stupid too but you can immediately tell when someone is either new to kpop, under 13 or just a like simple-minded
12:06 this section used to be the reason why i was reluctant to watch your videos at first. A lot of youtubers and specifically video essayists rely on polarizing terms and rage baity content in order to trigger outrage and get views. I mean, i get that sometimes the sentiment is justified, but it's not my cup of tea, since i oftentimes open youtube when I'm drawing or doing some handicrafts, and so i prefer content that is easier to digest emotionally, and not something that's actively pushing me to feel or think a certain way for profit. Part of the reason why your channel has become one of my favorites is because it always discusses topics in a calm, and rather chill, non judgemental manner
That is not to say that I dislike criticism btw ! But I think that if a youtuber wants to use a clickbaity, punchline like title, then they better have the means to defend it to the end, and logically explain the reasoning behind it. Nobody wants a 40 minutes video of someone subjectively explaining why x movie sucks when it could all be boiled down to it not being to their taste
@@gabrielaguzman4195 sorry for the late reply lmao! My brain goes blank the moment I am asked for recommendations 🦧 Sadly I think that you might already know most of the channels I might recommend since they're all pretty popular, but just in case, I don't know if you're interested in historical content, but "Kaz Rowe" and "Tasting History With Max Miller" have pretty interesting, generally fun videos about historical figures / events For pop culture stuff "Moderngurlz" and "art at midnight " "Let's talk religion !" Has a wide variety of videos explaining different religions across both the globe and history, and talking about prominent figures within them I might come back with more at some point in the future, but in the meantime, if you have any good recs please do mention them :)
This video essay being posted after I watched Alisha’s ‘Booktok, Brainrot and why it’s okay to be a hater’ ahhhhhh I can’t wait to hear more about this subject because as a millennial who grew up while internet was developing itself to where it’s at right now in my late 30s, seeing the decline of media literacy and critical thinking, and anti-intellectualism rise up, welllllll 😬😬😬
i think a lot of ppl forgot the difference between constructive criticism/reviews and hating on something just because... Constructive criticism has always been valid and is offen actively helping to improve the media we consume.
@@sp.2778Not really, cause you stole it. You didn’t give them anything and they didn’t take your time, you spent it on your own. I’m not gonna get into when pirating is good or bad or anything, but when it’s reviewing a source of media that you didn’t participate and consume like others have; you don’t really get a fair platform to share your opinions. Because not only are you stealing from an author that is probably underpaid, but you’re also criticizing their work (whether it’s fair criticism or not) that you didn’t even compensate them for. So maybe you can still give your opinions and critique, no one can stop you, but they also don’t have the same weight if that makes sense.
I’ve had singers I love and they’ve been letting out mediocre stuff sometimes and the “stans” come to try and kill me. Also companies, like some makeup ones, sometimes only post 4-5 star reviews instead of allowing 3 star or less. I tried submitting a 3 star review that had legitimate criticism and it was never posted. I tested it on the same product with a 4 star, and it was posted in less than 24 hours.
I’ve been noticing on some reviewing platforms that 5 star reviews will be left and then it will actually say: “I haven’t tried out this product yet, but hoping for the best!
the fear of negative reviews became a problem on bookstagram too, for example. i've seen some people being like "oh i'll just post positive reviews because i only want to post about books i liked and don't spread any negativity.". like girl, i'd rather be known as the Gordon Ramsay of books than lie or spread this toxic positivity. as soon as a person does that or posts only 5 stars reviews, i'm out. i can't take and will never take that person seriously. this stupid fear of negativity and the lack of critical thinking (because even if you read for fun, you still can think about something critically) doesn't make any sense whatsoever
I find it interesting that women have to toe this imaginary line of pleasing the masses by being relatable, or hiding away, and men dont. Is it because they aren't always as forward in the media, that their lives are often quite private? I'm not really a social media consumer, I dont go on Instagram or TicTok, and I dont really have a reference for men, however for women( and it might be because I am a woman) I feel like we are saturated with social media about women. What clothes they're wearing, what make up they're wearing, their diets, skincare, what's in their bags. I feel it is wise of Zendaya to stay out of the spotlight in the little ways she can.
unbiased and tactful criticism is very necessary in any type of media, if it skews negative that fine but the internet tends to be vicious and often times they parade being awful as criticism
6:04 what’s so funny here is that JLo has been exposed as having **other peoples** voices on her tracks and claiming it’s hers like 3x in the last 5 years
I have been waiting for more content about this topic! I feel like the whole “why you hating like a man” or “why you being a hater” phenomenon when it comes to criticism online is definitely a facet of our increasingly anti-intellectual culture. Implying that having a criticism about something or a critical opinion makes you somehow a “hater” -a negative character judgement -just further reinforces this idea that things online must be black and white. Good and bad. You don’t like it? You’re a bad person. These sweeping character judgements based in criticism towards the ability to think critically and be questioning of things is just really disturbing. Like people cannot have discourse online about ANY TOPIC without immediately jumping to moral judgements and grandstanding towards the other person. In the idea that journalism is the fifth estate, meant as a vessel for criticism and inquiry to regulate our society, it’s terrifying to think that death of journalism and criticism may also be the death of regulation and curiosity in our culture and our politics. Anyways great video.
Former collegiate debater here. I think substantial discourse (of any kind) is never conducive in a comment section/twitter replies format. A productive debate is dependent on a lot of set ups, concessions, and context to make sure everyone's on the same page and don't stray from the topic they're discussing. That twitter meme "so you hate waffles" is exactly that: if you only see a sentence of what someone said, it's very possible for you to come from a completely different angle and at that point the "spirit" of the topic or the discussion is lost. You're better off exchanging views through long-form essays or videos.
Yes! I don’t believe the internet or social media was intended to replace in person discussion/discourse. Even as I write and post this comment, the extent of any “discussion” we could have on this topic is stilted by the lack of immediate response, body language, context etc.
@@samanthacashx Reply's a bit late, but I also want to say that I've deleted multiple sentences on my comment above, watering down my point, and therefore proving our points lololol
Speaking on the topic of overexposure as a woman, I also find it interesting how Taylor Swift lost her nominations at the Grammy’s last year but was still getting viral praises bc she was dancing/singing along and ppl called her cute/humble for that. As opposed to this year she won and enjoyed the performances the same but that singing/dancing along thing is now called attention seeking instead.
I thought that was interesting as well! It gave me serious Jennifer Lawrence flashbacks. Everyone loved the 'personality' until she won an Oscar and got nominated for more, then it was 'fake' and 'annoying'. Same thing happened here. You also see men acting like absolute FOOLS sometimes at these things and there seems to be a 'haha, boys will be boys' mentality about them.
people dont want to admit that review writing is itself an art form. you have to not only understand the art itself that youre reviewing, you have to understand the individual piece and then properly convey that in an engaging way.
At almost 36 i finally just stopped caring about, and criticizing others. My 90 year old neighbor criticizes my every move, but if she were to get hurt I would help her. I think at this point we’re all giving ourselves stress wrinkles when we hate.
I just turned 30 and never been more chill, I realized that hating takes so much energy, it's ok to not like stuff and criticize, but people who makes a living out of hating stuff makes no sense to me, I followed for years a booktuber and watched all her reviews, but after a while she started to ONLY post negative reviews, and I was like "you read all this books knowing you are going to hate them, just to rant about it online?" like, the energy spent on reading a 900 pages young adult fantasy book could be used more effectively I think, and of course, the fans of the books are going to hate on her, so becomes this snowball of negativity, it must be exhausting.
Critism is valuable. You don't make the world a better place by allowing everything to go uncriticized. It's not "hate" to point out shortcomings. If someone is making a statement that lacks perspective and undermines other people's experiences, that's worthy of criticism.
I have ALWAYS HATED this phrase "don't say anything at all, unless you have something nice to say". It teaches how to NOT deal with negative emotions. Hence those being reviewed not being able to handle the review objectively. I'm not saying all negative reviews are necessary, but the phrase "don't say anything at all, unless you have something nice to say" is a phrase and a concept learned when a child and effects emotional growth. It doesn't allow room for dealing with negative emotions we have towards something OR negative emotions others have towards us healthily.
Great video!! I’m a teacher in a small border town and I personally blame parents for a lot of this media illiteracy. Giving a child a phone with full access at a very young age when they haven’t developed that media literacy is a huge issue. On top of that what it does to a students attention span is astronomical. Kids are drawn into this crazy stan culture at a super young age and are listening to idiots older than them on tiktok so they see them as authority figures. Its not the amount of information thats the problem its the access and the age at which they gain that access. Imo. Great video!!!
As a millennial I am constantly baffled by news like this because I thought my generation (which I assume most new parents are) had a pretty basic understanding of the pitfalls of the internet and current day media. But then again, how we consume media has changed significantly in the past 20-15 years: where tv stations used to curate our media for you (and where your parents decided what stations and shows you we're okay to watch and when) kids get to see almost anything at anytime (see Elsagate from a few years ago). And now we have TikTok in the mix as well like you mentioned..
@@dormant_informant Truthfully I thought we all knew better than this!! But when my uncle started having kids a few years back and instantly gave them ipads at 3 years old to watch endless youtube videos on. I was like dude you used to unplug the SuperNintendo if my cousin and I played too much??? And this kid has all kinds of literacy and many other issues that doctors speculate may be caused by that early access to ipads. Its wild how quickly we have regressed online the past decade.
‘In the 16th century theatres were relatively affordable’ in many European countries now you can see shows for less than £25/€30. I saw PotO on the west end for only £22 (like $26) and multiple Mozart and Puccini operas for less than €20. It seriously bothers me that art and music are gatekept in the USA.
honestly there are a lot of issues with theatre and the lack of arts funding in the US, but there are also vast misconceptions by most Americans about the costs of theatre. People think all theatre is Broadway and it's gonna be $100 or something. In a substantial US city, there are going to be small and medium-sized theatres with $10-$30 tickets (easily under £25/€30) and usually some with pay-what-you-can nights. For most of my life, the most I paid for a ticket was $45. It costs a lot of money to make theatre in the US, and it's an industry with entrenched issues of catering to rich donors. But it's also an industry that keeps trying to get people who aren't rich back into the seats, and a lot of people just don't look and assume they can't afford it, or miss the fact that a theatre even exists if they don't have a big marketing budget. (The ones with marketing budgets are going to be the most expensive, generally.)
@@fredkrissman6527 100%. Even on Broadway you can get cheap tickets if you're willing to rush or do lottery. If you're a student or under 30 there are the most deals, but there's so many types to be found. Plus often free staged readings and any school that teaches theatre also probably has cheap or free tickets. The other big thing is if you want to see a bunch of theatre for free, so many theatres need volunteers who come early, help out, and see the show for free. I'm always for greater accessibility in theatre, but I just don't think the gap between the US and Europe in theatre access is quite what people act like it is. The US and Europe are huge varied places, but there are cheap and free opportunities all over.
@@ArtichokeHunter true a broadway and off broadway shows in NYC are expensive. I’ve seen load a of productions and other cities also be stupid expensive. I grew up in DC so the big stage near me was the Kennedy center which of course had touring broadway shows, operas and plays but I was always priced out of those ($100/200 per person). Even shows at the national theatre and Shakespeare theatre can be pretty pricey maybe I’ll have to search around for some regional theatre groups.
@@oliviapilson I'm in DC. Just don't pick the most expensive shows at the most expensive theatres and there's tons for under $30. The Kennedy Center has stuff for $100 and stuff for free. Not saying it wouldn't be great for everything to be cheap, but the idea that theatre is pricing people out is only true if people only care about the most expensive Big Budget theatre. There's previews, there's obstructed view seats, and there's smaller theatres where you can find something more niche and support artists who aren't backed by corporate sponsors and big institutions. There's also a lot more being streamed online these days for free. Definite drawbacks to that but it can increase access.
This phenomenon of bad reviews dying in popular culture mostly in books is something that i have noted recently, but for me is interesting seeing how it works because i'm mostly a Metal and Videogames guy, and man people here don't care to blast soemthing if is bad, so i want to see how that kind of culture of not cirticizing was created.
I think it's because they depend on companies sending them books, inviting to events, getting first drafts and this kind of stuff, people usually get too big online and stop criticizing stuff in fear of losing sponsors or contacts.
Eh kinda? Like steam reviews or influencers/twitch streamers do say whatever they think in their critique, but websites and journalists are def too "scared" (or paid lol) to write a bad review (I'm looking at you IGN)
I think it’s what the person before me said but also that it’s pretty normal or „in“ to be nice, positive etc (and not that this would be a bad thing!!) but I saw literally the worst people I’ve ever meet portraying themselves as super spiritual, positive, nice etc. just for the „aesthetics“ lol And let’s not forget how normalised it is to be fake and not showing your real emotions/thoughts in America. It’s completely different in Europe. You don’t need to be overly friendly to someone you just meet because the Norm says so. At least that how I experienced it…
@@mochicinno_more like journalist are not ramdom guys with computer and Internet who gain money manipulatiog young kids to hate on someone or something. They take what they review seriously.
The Margaret Clark quote about money in relation to girls is so interesting! It reminded me of something my mom said to me once about how "the money men made was different from the money women made" when we talked about old starlets... Really makes me want to read up about the trope of women being seen as "shallow" or how it was seen as bad for women to be career driven over family focused 😖
Thank you for explaining terms like 'media literacy' and 'people's princess'! English isn't my first language, so your explanations give the necessary context. I appreciate it! ❤
I also think there is a problem with how in the age of social media, consuming entertainment has become somewhat of a performance. Where people feel the need to immediately share their thoughts or 'takes' on new media as soon as they've seen or heard it, often with provoking or polarizing keywords, instead of letting themselves take time to digest or think about the piece of media. And that paired with a lot of people who seem to need a superiority complex to allow themselves to enjoy things makes a lot of online criticism feel disingenuous.
If only people can just stick to saying their opinions - I've happily listened to critics or people who say stuff like "I don't like/I think it is overrated" but most people are lazy and just say "XYZ is so bad" like it's some sort of universal truth. Fans though likewise have the same issue, calling everything that someone does a "masterpiece" or claiming that their favourite whatever is better than anything/one else is just magnets to "haters" too.
I felt like the key to all of this is your observation that NO generation has good media literacy, and I think more broadly the skill of critical thinking generally. Even when we are smart enough to know we should be sceptical of what we consume, we lack the skills to properly analyse things such as bias, agenda, broader context, objectivity, skill/craft/technique etc. I can't think of a single example mentioned in this video where the situation wouldn't have been improved (or not existed/ been an issue at all) if we were all genuinely skilled in objective media literacy and critical thinking. I am just skilful enough to know I'm not quite as skilful at this as I need to be, which is why I end up searching for people like Mina to give perspectives I haven't considered...but that also relies on my own ability to judge who I should be watching for objective, intelligent and balanced/varied critique. 😅
I’m so glad you talked about letterboxd. I’m so sick of the quippy my one liner “reviews” (paired with an automatic 5 stars) on there that only serve to display a user’s quirkiness. Let’s please go back to engaging critically with art and media.
I felt like this with new Taylor Swift album, which as a fan I didn't like but all of the reviews were shockingly positive. I came across of only one negative on facebook I think it was by New York Times and the comments were crazy. I know that fans tend to defend their favorite artists but the ongoing discourse was "this music is not for everyone if you don't like it don't comment it" but like why? Why can't I give criticism, why is every criticism taken as a hate?
This is a topic that I both feel strongly about but also feel bad about. I've heard people say that if they love the author but hated the book they read, they'll leave a good review legitimately because they love the author. IMO that is so silly to me. If I only read positive reviews I am going to assume the work is good! So when I read it and it is bad, I feel lied to. But in a way we are lying to ourselves by not being critical enough to media we normally would review but feel bad doing so. There is always an excuse it seems. Oh it's a small business, an indie author, etc. I'm tired of that excuse. We need the balance of good and bad reviews. Heck, in the video game space, I'll see so much ESPECIALLY with Indie games. "This is amazing, it's a must buy" and then I play it and go, hmmm maybe the online reviewer should have been honest that there is only 1 hour of content for a $15 game. Like we do not need to be rude about it, but we need to find the balance again.
Idk I went to art school and I would have never grown w/o criticism. Hate the culture we live in where criticism is like wrong. Attacking is one thing but crit is another
I feel like we saw this fear of criticizing friends/peers really develop in the social media age during the 2016 height of the beauty influencer. We saw all of these youtubers praising each other's new beauty products only for them to not work well AT ALL, but they would never address the reality of the product bc it was their friend's. Such an amazing vid as always
Batman V Superman changed how reviews were presented, before that movie people were not afraid to say a movie was bad, afterwars they were like "it's entrataining if you shut your brain off".
amazing video, mina!! i definitely think there’s been a huge conflation of legit criticism with just being a hater, which to me means spouting biased, uninformed, or just insulting or unnecessary takes. and yeah, people are SO fickle, especially when it comes to popular media or people.
While there are many RUclipsrs that I enjoy listening to as I do other things, I can NEVER do that with your videos. I'm excited to settle in and savor it, really absorb everything. Keep up the great work!!! It's always a great day when Mina Le uploads
I've mostly seen "let people enjoy things" as a response to hating on something because it is popular or because someone personally doesn't like something, because it's not to their taste, instead of reasons that actually have to do with the thing. Basically the Twilight discourse. Like, there is legitimate criticism to be made about Twilight, language and grammar, the lack of understanding of how this world works with the info that we've been given from the world building, weird messages about relationships, mormon convictions shining through in weird ways, framing the stalking as romantic, etc. But that's not what the discourse was about, it was about sparkling vampires, and teenage crushes on actors. So at that point they were just hating on teenage girls for liking something. Telling those commenters to just let people enjoy things makes sense. This is also why media literacy is important, you can see the issues in a piece of media, and you can still enjoy it despite, or maybe even because of, those issues. Do I see the romanticisation of stalking in Twilight? Yes. Can I read it despite that? Also yes. Do I enjoy fanfic more, especially ones that explores the implications of the world building? Also yes. (The Volturi are the only ones keeping humanity alive, there are barely any vampires who care about humans at all, most of them see humans as annoyances and food. They would gladly slaughter cities for themselves. They don't because The Volturi won't let them. The Volturi have one single rule: Do not get noticed. And vampires can't even follow that one. They make toddler vampires who level cities when they have a tantrum, they wage wars that decimate entire areas... Humanity would be enslaved or dead if the Volturi weren't there)
23:29 i think part of this too is the character limits and video length limits on platforms like tiktok and instagram. if you only have a minute or 240 characters, it’s challenging to develop or respond to ideas with nuance
I like kpop and I used to read and watch reviews and reactions vids, but got tired quite quickly. Most reactors only act good expressions and barely give any honest intake anymore, because they know whats good for clicks and avoids avid fans' bad comments. Now i only check one blog from time to time because the blog owner still give their honest opinion respectfully and pointing out what could had been better and what is not for them. Some people doesn't know what constructive criticism actually is and some people doesn't know how to take it without assuming immediately that is "hate".
this transitions even into reviews for places like etsy or depop the amount of times i’ve seen ppl get bullied out of their non positive reviews by the shop keeper is crazy
When i was deep in star wars twitter i see "just be grateful you get new sw media/content" or "do you even like star wars" get thrown a lot. And also The Phrase "all star wars is good star wars". It's frustrating because some of the output has been bare minimum. They can get away with the worst script and/or visuals because if they can do the minimum and get great numbers why bother trying. I just need people to enjoy things for what they are really, no need to be dishonest about it.
Oh wow! I’m sorry! I’m here! I am a huge deep lore multimedia Star Wars fan. The Disney shit sucks so much. And I’m sorry lol but I don’t like the live action at all. I think Star Wars works best in animation, video games, comics, stories, books, novels, “fan art”, games, conversations, general engagement, etc… Kenobi was a huge disappointment to me. I like the first episode because I was still excited. And then it just kept being an anti-consumerist comment on itself because of how subpar, bad, and douchebro fanservice overkill (fs on its own is not bad; it matters which fans are being served and how much)…. it was… No disrespect to the actors, crew, talent, etc. This is absolutely a systemic problem and includes group-imposed “echo chambers” that stifle any legitimate criticism or just… concerns even… at all.. lol… comments that’s not blind worship… uhhh… positive feedback loops resulting in stagnation and reproduction of that which increasingly no longer works or is beneficial in any way… At any rate, thank you for sharing and pointing that out. Keep the negative feedback loops going? They are truly the measures of equilibrium that sustain all things and promote growth and diversity… and or… not… etc… ✨💗✨
My biggest (and probably pettiest in the most basic sense) issue with social media and how accessible it platforms people’s nonsensical opinions they’ve mistaken for a real thought on something and the dog piling! In any comment thread or online discussion, no matter how much time has elapsed from the original comment or what was said/discussed/debated/conceded/educated/etc, there’s always people who feel they *need* have their input shoved into the thread. The worst is when someone comments something objectively incorrect (e.g., “dogs aren’t social animals”) and someone kindly corrects them and the original (incorrect) commenter acknowledges their mistake and moves on BUT without fail there’s always the trickling in of those who want to feel big and seen and can’t help themselves but to comment what was already discussed (e.g., “you’re dumb dogs are social animals”). It just drives me up a wall because that’s not contributing anything to the discussion, sometimes the following trickle-in comments are just rude because they want to be, and it’s just a highlight on the fact they didn’t read the comment thread OR they did read the comment thread and saw the correction and response and STILL felt the need to inject their lukewarm, unhelpful comment. Stop throwing trash in a full dumpster.
the fall of media literacy UGHHHH! i actually die a little every time someone analyzes the point of a book or a film wrong as a literature major. for example, if a book character commits arson everybody jumps onto their little tiktok accounts and say that that book is "normalizing" arson or painting it in a positive light just because the character is charismatic. hello??? they might be PORTRAYED as a charismatic evil/morally grey character, this does NOT mean that the author is supporting arson or normalizing it, they are more likely criticizing the arson and/or making the story more complex. i'm so so so tired of it....
I think ironically criticism is sometimes what brings us closer, or at least I’ve felt that. Like the majority of the conversations I have with one of my friends is arguing about Taylor Swift. While she is a swiftie and I’m most definitely not, I like to think that we both appreciate each others side of the argument. I’ll critique her as much as I like, but my friend will never stop liking her because of what I say. At the end of the day it gives us a constant source of conversation, which ultimately brings us closer. So I think there is something to be said about criticism being healthy, or rather a beneficial tool in how we interact with each other, because without our opposite views, I feel like I wouldn’t have such a good relationship with my friend.
I was a theater artist for 25 years. Most of my scripts and productions criticized the industry itself, especially locally - the people/entities actually watching my shows. Criticizing, say, George Bush, seemed largely self-indulgent and meaningless when 99% of the people watching my stuff already agreed with any such criticism. I wanted to challenge the industry, not coddle it. Shocking, those same entities didn’t like me very much, and I never got my foot in any door that was not of my own making. I was shocked. Shocked! That after years of speaking truth to power, power was not eager to invite me to any of its luncheons. Ah well.
@@usernotfound.......1918 i’ll finish it today i took it slow cause the tropes pissed me off but other than that i actually do like it, it’s chaotic and addictive to read
Media literacy goes hand in hand with general literacy and recently there's been a major drop in in literacy across North America. Ever take a gander into comment sections on instgram/tiktok and people are hateful or mad at the creator for some reason, but it's clear they didn't actually watch or read the post and actually absorb what they're saying.
Absolutely love this video!!! So much nuance with every topic. I think the “let people enjoy things” take is valid in certain situations. I feel like there are some critics, arm chair critics, or just m3n out there that are like “i hate this thing so you shouldn’t enjoy it at all,” which just feels absurd and a bit misogynistic. Like sure, nothing is perfect or above criticism but being told I’m wrong or wasting my time for indulging in art is just annoying. Side note, I had no idea that people were hating Anne Hathaway, so rude!! I’ve adored her since the princess diaries
Ayo actually commented on her current relationship with letterboxd in a vanity fair video posted 8 days ago! around the 7 minute mark she said she’s “kinda chilling” on it all since people were getting a wee bit upset with her takes LOL …love that you mentioned her cos we loveeeeed her reviews
This video is fantastic. All your most recent videos have been articulating things I’ve been thinking but not really having discussions about. Feels good to have this outlet! Keep doing your thing, girlie!!
I understand why creators can be sensitive to criticism. Offering your art to the world puts you in a vulnerable position and whilst you hope that your art will be embraced, not everyone will do so. Criticism is taken personally because it is, even if the critic is trying to be objective or professional, they are judging a piece of you that you've shared with the world and that can feel like a rejection.
I miss Television Without Pity, where I could read 40+ pages recap of a single episode of American Idol, or Community, or Smallville and it was MAGICAL
I love your takes; I’d love to hear your take on this years met gala and how it plays into the public’s overall shift on how we view/digest celebrities and celebrity culture
with media literacy, it's really important to know WHY the author of the work is doing the things they do. you can say "fight club talks shit about capitalism" but not knowing that it came after the rise of consumerism with yuppie culture in the 1980s means you don't get the full context. the most important thing about a story is the themes, which craft a story much more nuanced than you can convey in a 1 minute tiktok. also tiktok sucks real bad and i'm sick of hearing about it
Social media and blogging have altered - almost killed - traditional journalism. But your commentary exposes why professional journalism is so valuable and missing! Journalists are held to a certain expectation of impartiality which is impossible to maintain in the age of twitter.
Speaking of criticism, I just wanted to say that, on your recommendation, I read Of Human Bondage and am currently reading Ex-Wife and I am transfixed! Your recommendations are gold! Thank you for bringing these books into my life.
RUclips recommended your channel to me today and i am so GLAD not only are your videos so well crafted, detailed and sourced, you individually are such a gem and i am loving your content so far. Kinda mentioned in this video, but the internet and all its various platforms are so so oversaturated and I feel like, because of this, I struggle to find people I relate to an subjects I find engaging. YOU and your channel are the whole package for me and I have never been more grateful for an algorithm, as I am for the one that showed me you. I dont currently have the words to explain how thankful I am for the inspiration and motivation you have instilled in me and I am delighted that I will have you and your videos with me along the next steps of my journey ❤❤
I feel like there could be a whole video essay on just the topic of how teenage girls are made fun of and not respected, even though they are the one that choose what becomes pop culture. Also the men are jealous because their interests, like sports or cars never have had such an impact mainstream (this changing though for example f1 reaching mainstream bc of Netflix show)
YES!! I just commented about this, I was watching a Hockey match and thinking: dudes be fighting bare fist on ice skates, getting brain damage for fun, then, have the audacity to complain about girls crying at a concert. 😂
While there is clearly a misogynist and adultist bias against the interests and tastes of teenage girls, I don’t feel like it’s accurate or fair to say that male interests aren’t mainstream; sports including Formula 1 have been televised for decades.
@@Wut-eo1xo well, the only think I know about Football is that the dude in the red jersey dates Taylor Swift..Sports are a topic that doesn't get the same kind of coverage that entertainment does, the sport shows are about the game, the players, strategies, teams and stuff, not really about their personal life outside of the field, and usually the only time media outside sports talk about them is when they are dating some celebrity. (which I think is a positive thing)
great video -- i really dig the nuance. there is a huge difference between actual criticism and hate and people really seem to be forgetting that. there's also a huge trend of people moralizing why they dislike something instead of just being able to say "i don't like it" -- good stuff
I think if we’re talking about criticism and turning on/ getting sick of ppl like Taylor swift and Zendaya, i think it’s PARAMOUNT to mention that almost ALL of their public criticism right now is due to them failing to use their platform to help suffering people 🇵🇸 🇨🇩🇸🇩🇸🇸🇨🇬🇺🇦
There is such a weird mixture of people not wanting to say anything bad/not analyzing media and people waaay overanalyzing media (poorly) going on right now. The biggest thing i've noticed is that people right now are really struggling to believe that someone else can have a different perspective on a piece of media that is equally true. For example, I think the book Pride and Prejudice is fascinating, but my brother thinks that it is extremely boring. Both of us are true! To me, the book is fascinating because I love character development and history. To my brother, it's boring because there is no "action". If my brother said Pride and Prejudice was poorly written, then he'd be wrong, because it's a masterful novel, but his own enjoyment or not enjoyment of a book isn't a judgement on the novel itself, therefore is completely true no matter what it is. I feel like so many people give and take comments like "the movie was boring" as a legitimate criticism on that piece of media, leading to many arguments and debates when all they really needed to respond with was "okay". Also, when I say "let people enjoy things" it usually means, to me, stop shoving all the "controversies" or "problematic elements" or even just "plot holes" and such of something someone enjoys in their face and forcing them to acknowledge them when they're probably well aware of them already. I am very interested in the fashion history of the 1800s, but i'm getting pretty sick of people saying "yeah but you know people were racist back then"-- like, duh! People need to start understanding that people can be interested in something and not condone all aspects of it!!
It's just such a complex situation, so the ideal equilibrium is the true and a big challenge. But for me, at the end, the important is to find a way to see all the sides to construct your vision and then be authentic to it, even so leaving it open. And then excise to understand that others are on this same hard path...
I went to art school. Where your art is constantly critiqued by classmates and teachers. I almost wish everyone had to take at least one class like this. Because you learn how to critique a piece without being a total asshole. There’s a tactful way to go about it. And the internet can’t do that. At all.
Agreed, surviving a real-life critique is one of the scariest things ever, but damn does it build character in a way the internet never will
Giving and taking constructive criticism should be a skill everyone practices
On the flip side, I'm a writer and I took a creative writing class in high school and I wish that we were allowed to critique each other! Constructive criticism is really important to develop a skill. Everyone should have to take a class that teaches it, i agree
i took a few poetry classes and i agree 100%
not to mention i miss getting critiques!! i love my friends who always write nice comments under my art, but how am i supposed to keep getting better..?
These ppl would not survive one day in art school.
Music school either. You cannot play a single note without someone telling you how to improve it or what was wrong with it.
@@faeriesmak that’s how it should be !
Dance major and they would not survive at all… the criticism and straight up backbone you have to gain because they’ll get on you for everything and the brutal critiques well u just gotta take it, move on and keep working harder
Cringe
Neither architecture school
It is actually really interesting that we have a "white boy of the month" roster, and when we get bored, or another 25-35 year old guy does a press tour for a big film or show, we just drop and move on and nothing else is expected because there's an understanding of the industry, but with female celebrities, a villainous picture has to be painted to justify "throwing them away". I think it almost goes back to your Marylin video where you mentioned the public's inability to distinguish who she was as a celebrity and who she was as a person. The approach to men is much more relaxed, but with women its personal, everything is intentional, what they're doing directly reflects what they think about the people who watch them. It's a similar cycle to wbotm but much more hostile. Weird.
She posted this on her Instagram story 👏🏼
Wow
@@kaxidoscope OH MY GOD???
i don’t think they usually go up to 35 tbh lol. They have the lifecycle of sudden Twink death. More liike 21-29. See: Timothee’s recent reception.
@samaraisnt The cut-off is young, but Andrew Garfield makes a comeback once every few years, and he's like 40. The mean age is defo not 30, tho
I think this goes hand-in-hand with the rise of anti-intellectualism. Children aren't being taught to read phonics now and are instead reliant on context clues and memorization of common words. In other words, the next generation is being taught to consume without thinking independently. Criticism, even when it's "mean" or "being a hater" is still really necessary.
My niece called me broke cause she went through my wallet and didn’t see any bills. I told her mom but I have invested my money in bank accounts so I’m not broke… this generation sees money money as being rich, no honey it’s not real online😅
Anti intellectualism took root in online spaces that were also seen as art hubs like the infamous “the curtains are fucking blue” essay on Tumblr from the 2010’s
I also think the internet has rewarded reactionary rage baiting (which is often just harassment dressed up as "criticism") and people are probably heiring on the side of being agreeable and nice to avoid any association with that...which is part of anti-intellectualism and the decline of critical thinking/ media literal. It isn't really criticism, it's rage farming - which the algorithm rewards because outrage drive up engagement. A review can be scathing and harsh without being personal.
children still learn phonics. and there are immature ways to criticize art regardless of tone. having a negative or positive opinion about something is not valid criticism if it can’t be supported by evidence. also, education in criticism goes far beyond basic phonics. everyone can have an opinion, but not everyone’s opinion is going to be valid in terms of criticism.
This comment!!! 🔥 🔥
I couldn’t agree more!
hi! i know you probably won't see this, but the reason that "reviews" on most media outlets are listicles, recaps, or positive thoughts is because outlets want to remain on PR lists. i work in music journalism atm, and we are not allowed to write actual criticisms, meaning most of the team opts to summarize the song and its inspirations. we can't write anything negative, because it means potentially being blacklisted by PR teams and not being allowed to listen to embargoed music. opinion columnist roles require at least 7 years of experience in the industry, and are usually focused on local issues or restaurants, rather than pop culture. surprisingly, it's not just bending over backwards for SEO-- if that were the case, the articles themselves would at least be somewhat honest. on many applications for other copywriting roles, companies list that you must write in their "voice" in order to continue with the application process, which typically means mind-numbing glowing reviews for something that the writer might have strong feelings about, one way or the other. honest coverage in most publications is, quite frankly, dead, leaving many journalists to attempt freelancing through substack pages and the like, which is so competitive and overinflated that it's difficult to get by doing just that.
This is sad for me to read because my sibling is a screenwriter/freelance writer who made a substack account just because it seems to be the thing that is being encouraged by those with more experience. It sucks that one could think this is the way to go when its really not going to end well, based on what you have relayed in this comment.
I occasionally review books and movies too (it's more like a hobby for me) but feel discouraged by the state of social media pop culture criticism (among other reasons) to even write another article or create a blog.
Overall, being a writer sucks these days.
I think I'll stick to painting lol
Former music journalist/current commerce writer here: this is completely accurate and even more prominent in mainstream media!
I work on the other side of this coin as a PR coordinator and can vouch - my manager often tells me not to pitch to any reviewers who might write something negative about our clients and not to pitch anyone who has a reputation of being "too critical" even if they are just giving their honest opinions
Thanks for that insight. I did think it might be like this and yeah, that confirmed it. It’s so stupid though, too, because only constructive criticism can lead to actual improvement. I’m scared but also glad when people give me an honest review and also tell me what they didn’t like about something.
i dont get when people say "if you dont have a nice thing to say, dont say it" like??? writing a bad review is legitimate, especially if it is consistent. people confuse insulting an author/creator with criticizing the work 🧍🏻♀️I'm on goodreads a lot and I don't know how many times I've seen authors bitterly take bad reviews and bashing who wrote them, just because they weren't praising their books ☠️
Isn't the entire point of a review to... review a work? And review will include information about strong and weak part of the thing? what the hell do people think review is?!
I got blocked by an author because I said their story wasn't that good 😐 it was on some different thread and I had never interacted with them
@@ilovemycatrosie0 yeah, literally one author posted this reel where she framed a one star review of her book and hung it in her office, making fun of the person that had written it (the comments were full of people basically saying the sentence I reported and mimicking the way the rievew was written)
out of curiosity, i searched and read the rievew: its only faults were that it was negative and that the person used colorful emojis, but I really think they were to keep the review jovial
@@MrsRimavelle dunno 🤷🏻♀️ It just seems to me that for a few years now, there has been this climate of repulsion towards negative reviews because they "destroy the author's self-esteem" "because the author has made so many sacrifices to create it" ecc. but that's just its not the case at all, especially for well written reviews, not straight up insults and one stars just for the sake of it
@@anita_loves_apples765 us 🤞🏻 me because I responded to another person's review, expressing my agreement and... the author blocked us both.
when I say “let people enjoy things” I mean let’s not poke fun at or bully people (especially online) because they have a hobby/are a fan of something that you are not. I think that phrase though has kind of lost meaning because there’s such a difference between criticism of a work/concept and making fun of someone/ a group of people.
Was typing a comment just like this! Usually when I see that phrase (or use it myself) it's because the sentiment is "This media is dumb and bad and anyone who likes it is also dumb and bad" or because there isn't any recognition that taste is subjective and not everything is made for everybody.
the death of nuance
Yeah I hated the hate (😂)that was thrown at Poor Things when it became more popular because of the success at the Oscars. I totally get not vibing with the premise of the movie and being very unkomfortable with the topics depicted.
But there were a lot of people crying that this movie promotes pedophilia and everybody who enjoys it is also a pedophile and this movies need to be banned. Like thats were I draw the line. It's like these people never heard of true disturbing films like "A serbian movie" or "Eraserhead" There are so many disturbing movies out there.
I love to exchange my opinions on movies with people especially if they don't agree with me as long as its respectful. I loved to read comments on controversial topics, because I am curious about other worlviews out there. And I wanted to leave my comfortable Bubble to reflect on my thoughts.
But thats barely possible now. Because People are such assholes on the Internet (and in RL ofc) its insane.
@@chloekuroi
yes!! i think this is rlly applicable to taylor swift bc i see so many people just be plain rude to other people just bc they listen to taylor swifts music, or act like their taste in music is awful just because they like her music and it’s so annoying. just because YOU don’t like her music doesn’t mean other people shouldn’t be allowed to? it’s like they think the things they enjoy or don’t enjoy should be the basis for everything good or bad.
True
The whole thing about how the media is "getting sick" of a lot of popular women today or just successful women as a general reminds me of how in an interview Margot Robbie came out and spoke about how she felt as though people were getting tired of her after Barbie and all that. And a lot of others brought up the point of how a woman will be very talented so get casted in a few movies in the span of a year and after those two movies or maybe even albums, the public will already be "sick" or "tired" of her. But then there's men such as Leonardo Dicaprio, Tom Cruise, and Brad Pitt who are men that are literally in EVERYTHING and not only that but they've also been around for such a long time, but you rarely ever see people complaining about them being in too much. You usually only see them receiving praise for their talent and ability to do multiple shows and movies in a year. It might be reading into it too much but it truly just feels like rooted misogyny in the brains of many. Also, to be honest, I'd much rather see Margot Robbie in 10 films a year then Leonardo Dicaprio.
Cause those are world movie stars through generations has been in all generations don’t get me wrong Margot had immense success followed through barbie I say the movie was a success and she succeeded and was everywhere cause of barbie how it made everyone excited back in June made everyone go to theatres in a long time but they didn’t went to see the movie for Margot but for barbie after all barbie is a brand and something many girls grow up with barbie was the star not Margot but for dicaprio cruise pitt they are renowed movie stars people do infact go to theatres for their movies she was everywhere for barbie that’s it and nobody said they were annoyed of seeing her everywhere
@@Ladolcevitaprincess you didn't really explain anything. The comment you're responding to is asking why men aquire that status and women don't, (unless they're old). You just reiterated the premise of the question -"it is how it is because it is how it is". Society always ends up getting "tired of" female stars, and they need to have a long break before coming back, but that never happens to men. The reason why seems to be misogyny
@@roelin360 not true there is mery streep who is over 40 and still is thriving a respected figure i cant think of anymore that have reached meryl status probrally cause its not many good actresses in hollywood ? Ever thought about that well same cant not be said for korean actresses who actually Are good and can act
@@Ladolcevitaprincess There are more than enough good actresses in hollywood, more often than not even way more talented than their male counterparts which becomes the most obvious when they are both still more inexperienced. But actresses rarely ever seem to recieve culture status. Instead producers keep shoving all these old men into roles that should be given to new and rising actors, while the women always seem to be the youngest model they can get away with.
@@lexa2310 again not true there is few good actresses but its was from the old age like Katherine hepburn audrey hepburn joan crawford vivien leigh these Are actually good actresses i call them real cause their actually puts on a performance that feels real again i found Margot Robbie very mediorcre to watch and i wont call her a good actress cause she is not she is just like everyone in hollywood very dull and boring they Are just not entertaining to watch or good like Dicaprio cruise Johnny depp
In an extremely niche internet community, my sibling wrote a tactfully critical (not 1-star) review of a game. The author of the game then gave all of my sibling's own work 1 star ratings immediately (no way he played the games). It sucks when people are trying to treat others as adults and they can't do the same.
Ayo Edebiri (pronounced Ed-eb-rie) said in a Vanity Fair video from 8 days ago that that is why she's no longer posting on Letterboxd. She's a comedian and people take it too seriously and personally.
Was coming here to say this!! Didn’t she mention in that video that people were posting her reviews on Twitter and that’s why she was stopping? I loved it when she reminded everyone that she was a comedian first.
Which is such a shame cause her letterbox is so funny!! Like it’s clearly a joke I don’t know how anyone could take it seriously
Yeah I think people went in on her for her review of Saltburn which is absurd
@@crispianna yep, film updates started it during the saltburn hype by posting a review ayo liked and it went semi viral
kind of crazy considering Saltburn wasn’t a great film to begin with
There's two types of 'haters'. There's people who hop onto a bandwagon or feel like they need to hate on something or someone in order to 'humble' them simply because they don't like seeing someone else be celebrated and appreciated for their work especially if they personally didn't like it. Then there are 'haters' who have genuine and constructive criticism to give and aren't just doing it because they hate someone or want to bring them down because seeing someone fail brings them a sense of comfort with their own failures. Too many people on tiktok and insta don't have any genuine criticism to give and lack media literacy thus giving a bad name to true critics who genuinely love the medium- whether it is film, music, etc.- that they are critiquing.
I'd count the first as a hater, and the second as a critic.
Also youtube. Not just tiktok or insta
You see this a lot when Jews critique nazi/holocaust work critically (one Jewish woman got death threats for not liking Jojo rabbit!) It’s also really common w POC being blasted by white people they just “Don’t get it” even though said work is supposedly about & for them… 🤔
Exactly, im all in favor for the second, but I've seen far too much of the first
The amount of times I've been called jealous for criticising someone promoting dangerous behaviour online or spreading misinformation is absolutely wild
Telling people, especially women, to be nice to each other or my favorite, not "tear each other down" is akin to telling women to shut up. Criticism is important.
Couldn't agree more
As long as is not taken as "i can say whatever i want however i want. And if it makes you cry, even better"
not all criticism towards women is important. in fact the vast majority is worthless and rooted in nothing but misogyny. its so odd we pretend 'let people dislike women' is something feminism needs to work towards like hating women isn't literally already the default.
I feel mixed on it. I've definitely seen people use this as a way to deflect any unwanted criticism away from them, which is really shitty.
But then again, there are many instances of people tearing women down for misogynistic reasons, I actually do think that the examples in the video, Anne Hathaway, and J. Law, were at least partially hated and torn down due to misogyny. I think especially in a social media ecosystem, it can be tough to differentiate in that split second people's motivations to criticizing others and whether our focus on said targets are warranted or not. Anyone can participate in misogyny, even women.
If someone is tearing someone down in such a way, what's the best way to address it without telling women to shut up?
@@dapiridoobthat's a good point. On social media we need to separate the actual controversies and poor behavior from people just trashing each other for no reason. Unfortunately, I notice online that people treat them the same
My biggest issue with online reviews is that it feels like 90% of negative reviews are talking about how a piece of media is morally bad, instead of actually criticism. It feels like people have no room for nuance. Instead of just disliking something, these reviews have to prove they are morally superior than everyone else.
Same. It gets too out of hand. The chronically online, is just too atomized, and identity politics really is a cancer.
interesting take but honnestly can't you just ignore it? Like me personnaly I rate a movie on letterboxd based on what I liked abt it or not, and Im not necessary reading +300 reviews of the same movie I think. When I need more nuance on a topic I mostly go on reddit, ppl there seems to fit your view more, or they can bring nuance to a lot of interesting topics I think which is cool, so basically there are some apps where I expect less nuance and other where I know I'll find more. I think having radical views also tell something about us, like most ppl radically agree that killing is bad, which is important so we don't kill, but with nuance we can somehow understand that some situations can force you to kill (not for most ppl obviously but you get the idea).
It's a spillover from the culture wars.
Intellectual criticism is dead. People always respond defensive as if you’re attacking them personally. I wrote a book review once on a biography of this famous artist. And although I criticized the BOOK, the fans went on to accuse me of plainly hating their favorite artist. That’s why if I don’t like the book I’d rather not make a review about it. The internet scares me.
Sadly, in this time of social media, all intellectualism is dead.
@@dsds7395yep intellectualism, media literacy, and critical thinking
nah you gotta keep being a hater
Intellectualism is dead but I think education is also at fault at that. But it is annoying to see the “You’re wrong - I’m right” mentality rising. There is no in between, or possibility of a discussion. Because it would so one-sided that will make you feel exhausted, and wonder why even bother.
Ironic that your comment shows that things are “DEAD” and “ALWAYS”.
Then you go onto site your single anecdotal experience.
If you have the right (and you do) to criticise something, then people also have the right to respond to you.
You’ve also just contradicted yourself by saying the internet scares you. Do you think you’re the only person hurt by critiques, and only when it’s a response?
Everyone is a human, not just you.
i feel like social media pressures everyone to have 100% rock solid opinions over everything. its completely fine to be like "this was how it read to me" or even just "i dont get it❤️". like film studies classes ive taken straight up pause at several points for in depth discussion and basically require rewatching outside of class.
i agree with this so much. so many people have such a strong stance or opinion on something. like idk man, maybe it depends?
oh my god yes!!! everything is so polarized and black and white it feels actually wrong to see gray areas or even nuance on anything.
Yeah, we're mostly just witnessing. Maybe masterpieces if you take certain parameters, maybe crap in all parameters, but really, who has time for that? It's fine if you don't have or don't enjoy spending time analyzing the layers of some art, or if you just appreciate some things. I'm a student, and I DON'T HAVE TIME for that. I generally just react to whatever's going on on the screen. That being said, I personally hate with a passion Call Me By Your Name because of THE CONTROVERSY WITHIN the movie, and because it relies waay too much on things I JUST DON'T appreciate that much in that genre, like soundtrack and the v1bes. I think it lacks a lot, but that's because I appreciate some explicit dialogue or monologue when people are getting to know each other, not just tiptoeing around. Then again, I LIKE EXPLICIT WRITING. That's why. It isn't lacking, I just don't appreciate that level of subtlety in that kind of scenarios. Subtlety on Curious George (The film) sat pretty well with me.
@@hagseul THISSS !!!!!!! OMFG.
As a hater its nice to have representation on Mina's channel
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Same! My friends are used to my hater side but with strangers.. it's hard 😂
Same
I feel so seen
@@mochicinno_omg literally, I flopped hitting on a cute guy because my cyclical side came out just a little too early and made things awkward
I feel we always forget that someone not liking something doesn’t mean you can’t still like it or enjoy it - we don’t have to take it personally. I love Dune, my partner HATES it. Him hating it doesn’t mean I can’t still enjoy it, and me enjoying it doesn’t mean he can’t hate it. We can just be okay with that, I dunno. If something feels really personal to me, I just won’t engage with content on it until I’m in a place to engage on it. But I also don’t engage on social media anyways so I dunno lol
Great video! Really poignant topic for the time!
I think an aspect of not taking a bad review personally is understanding that someone explaining why they don't like a thing gives just as much information as a positive review explaining why they do like it. If you and your partner both wrote reviews of Dune reading both would give me a pretty good Idea of whether I would enjoy it.
I watch a makeup reviewer that makes a point of mentioning how easy compacts are to open. I might not want a product that opens too easily if I'm going to be carrying it around in my purse but someone with arthritis might want the easiest product to open because they struggle with compacts with tight latches. Nothing is for everyone and I've bought things based on someone else's bad review.
I agree, but I also think there's a difference between saying "I think this movie is dumb" and "You're dumb if you like this movie", and a lot of 'criticism' is the latter
@@liv97497 Yes, and I think some people hear "I didn't like this" as "youre dumb if you did". Aligning your personality to a bit of media is definitely a thing.
@@GB-kv6dl also very true!
Totally agree, to elaborate on Dune specifically, I think people are bad at voicing the difference between "this is a white saviour series" and "I don't think this effectively criticises the white saviour trope, so I think its bad."
I've read Dune, and I love it, but I fully agree that the first movie wasn't explicit about its criticism of the white saviour trope in a way that made sense to most people that hadn't read the book. Before seeing part 2 with my friends, who hadn't read it, we did a viewing party of the first part. So, I know this isn't a hot take, because I spent a good portion of that time explaining the internal monologue of characters that were just staring at or past the camera.
If you don't use the goodreads rating system, I think you'd like TheStoryGraph as an alternative to goodreads, they use a clearer book classification system, based on moods and bits of information like "Is this book more plot or character focused" etc. Of course it also has star rating, and even though it's the least focused on, it allows for x.25, x.5, x.75 stars which is much more nuanced than goodreads.
I love Storygraph! I find it much more helpful in reviews/generic feedback plus it has the trigger warnings ⚠️. Once you have a profile setup that triangle is next to the books that qualify with your specified triggers so that you can make informed reading decisions. It's a great setting 💜
Also, Goodreads is owned by Amazon and we don't like that!
black owned too
@@yourlittleinsomniac5369I LOVE their trigger warnings system. At the height of my mental illness, pre-medication, I'd be very easily set off if I read the wrong thing but still wanted escapism into fantasy. It was such a relief to look up a book and go "ah not for me, okay, I'll consider something else"
Yes! Story graph has reviews but it's not front and center. There's a LOT of popular books that are highly rated on goodreads that I didn't enjoy. So I'll go back to reading sypnosis to choose my books - which story graph let's me do!
The black and white thinking on TikTok drives me crazy. There always has to be a “side” and you have to choose one side otherwise people will force you into a box anyway. A good example is with Challengers. A lot of people took away the message that the crux or “twist” of the story was that the two men love each other and zendaya’s character loves tennis (including me, as I thought the movie made this pretty clear). But then there’s a bunch of people in the comments saying “NO they all loved each other in different ways and Zendaya loved both of them”. Like yes? That’s also part of it and a fair interpretation that can be true at the same time…why is that even an argument?
Right like most people don't understand the notion that two things can be right at the same time.
theyre so braindead in that sense they cant even see nuance on POLITICS, talking about politicians as if they were marvel movie characters
35:13 "If the majority has done my thinking for me, I can move on to something else. People don't want to think." That is the best summation of so much internet discourse I can possibly think of!
Every person that complains about "feminine" stuff being "stupid" or "hysteric", surely, has never watched a Hockey game
Haha I'm a lady who likes feminine things. I used to do figure skating so was around hockey a lot. Hockey is my favorite sport to watch, specifically for the hysterics (grown men randomly fighting each other on skates). 😆 in MI, there is also an added thing of throwing (already dead) octopus on the ice, which is really weird.
True or literally any kind of sports that's mostly male dominated. I'm a huge football fan and I used to go to the stadium all the time a few years ago. Grown men were either yelling, destroying things or fighting each other when their team lost - or hysterically crying when their team won a trophy. There's A LOT of hysteria when it comes to typical masculine stuff lol.
@@VideosForYou90 Here in my country every Sunday someone d*es in some fight at soccer games, it's just "normal" by now, couple months ago there was a Taylor Swift concert and the medical team gave ANXIETY MEDS to TEENS at the concert because they were "hysterical", but I've never heard about it when it comes to males.
"Even if an audience member is standing behind a pillar or has a terrible seat..." Jenny Nicholson is shaking
Well, she did critique something that is dead now.
STOP IT THE WAY IVE SEEN COMMENTS ABOUT THIS EVERYWHERE HAHAHA 😂
I heard that the team actually made fun of her on social media and then someone replied to that being like "guys...she's literally your whole target audience and also a really nice person and did everything in your favour and it was still trash" and that's where I feel like we've come full circle with her being called a "hater". But it also shows that not taking criticism seriously will get you nowhere bc only one of the two had to close their Star Wars experience hotel.
LMFAOOOO
I remember Mike Tyson once said something along the lines of "people get way too comfortable talking shit on the internet, before the internet people used to get punched saying shit like that"
Mike Tyson the one who punched his girlfriend in the face for defending herself? Not the best messenger.
im not a religious man but hope and pray he knocks out jake paul in the first round
@@DE-GEN-ART not religious either, but amen
exactly. people don't f w me irl but when they're behind a screen it's easy.
THIS. I bet they wouldn't criticize tyson's life experiences in front of him would they 🤣, but yeah this applies to everyone on the internet
It does bother me that people will equate media literacy to “being able to interpret the “RIGHT” meaning from stories.” The problem is that the “right” meaning can be very subjective depending on the work, and just because you think what you’re getting from a story is 100% correct doesn’t mean people can’t have a different, yet equally valid takeaway from it. No, people who interpret pieces of media differently from you do not lack media literacy. As long as it’s a thoughtful or even interesting look at a story, then who cares if it doesn’t match up to your interpretation?
Really. Media Literacy is more about finding a stance based on reasoning, context, history, the work itself. This why I hate “Explained” videos. They imply there is ONE correct way to interpret a work rather than this is the OP interpretation. You have a different interpretation than someone and still be media literate.
Funny how we all actively embrace post-modernism, but still look for a singular objective truth in works of art
there's a conflation between criticism and insult happening on both sides that neither will unpack because ultimately it gets more clicks
I've found that more often than not, online discussions push me farther away from things rather than encourage me to seek it out. It's to the point where if I want to check it out, I'm not seeking any information online about, I'll engage with it - form my own opinions about it and talk about it with my friends.
The internet truly sucks the joy out of everything. And I don't mean that in a criticism bad kinda way. I just mean it is exhausting to try to participate in discussions about anything. No one seems to know how to respectfully disagree online, yet I bet those same folks wouldn't be so bold if they were speaking face to face.
Love the inclusion of Trina's "CHICAGOOO, CHICAGOOOOO" from Victorious 🩷
That's the first thing anytime someone mentions Chicago that comes to mind
when ayo said jlo's career is a scam SHES NOT WRONG
jlo’s career has always been a scam like she didn’t even sing the main vocals of half her songs 😭 and her breakout role was from profiting off the death of selena quintanilla like TWO YEARS after her death, and even she wasn’t the first person in mind 😭
she was ahead of her time bc every is sayin that now
Honestly it was collectively messy of people to call her out on it when we all know what she said was true and she had no choice but to be on SNL with JLO. Some people were the "omg did you hear what Tiffany said about you?!" friends in hs and it shows
@@Matt-id5mi People have been saying that about JLO since the early 2000s, lol. It's nothing new.
She was so right because Jlo is a vulture who steals and isn’t original fr she been doing it since the early 2000s with all her music
THANK YOU for talking about how Dune is not a hero story!!! The books do not portray Paul as the hero and it's made extremely clear by book two especially.
The movie made it so clear it was almost cringeworthy- I was baffled that people still didn’t get it after that. One thing I think is funny about it is that Villeneuve said he “fixed” the book because Herbert was sad people misinterpreted it as a hero’s story, when really you can’t fix peoples’ bad media literacy.
LITERALLY. if anything, Paul is shoved into the role of “the hero,” he didn’t ask to be the kwisatz hederach but had to do it so that he could survive.
It's the same people who think that Eren from Attack on Titan is a hero 😭
The parallels are insane
@@mochicinno_yes but if I talk 😭😭 they’ll be on my case
It's funny watching people get annoyed with people who still like Paul even knowing him as a villain/antihero or even for making a defense as to why he should be seen as a hero. Guess it speaks to the complexity of Frank Herbert's characters.
as a kpop fan, i feel like a lot of fans don't accept criticism because for them "criticizing" something means absolutely tearing it to shreds and pissing on it. It's never "i don't like this groups new song" it's something like "this groups SUCKS SO BAD" or something like "this groups music is not my taste" turns into "this group is UGLY AND UNTALENTED"
Hm idk where you're looking? I mostly go on the r/kpop if I wanna know what they think of a release, and most people have valuable critique. Depending on how bad the group is performing you might see only positive stuff of delulus trying to ignore that the company abandonded their fav. And obviously you have to be able to see if there's a movement against a group. But straight up mean comments get deleted or downvoted, it's self-regulatory. And the mixed fanbase guarantees a mix of opinions or more critical voices which obviously isn't always easy to digest if you see it as a fan but it's honest. Even the group's own subreddits are often quite differentiated but I don't often go there bc most groups are either not big enough or too negative (I'm an Insomnia and since there's no scandals for our group it has kind of become a trend for the last 2 years to complain about every title track of Dreamcatcher when it comes out - only for it to do just as well as the others. But that's diving more into the fandom, I also like rkpop bc it's not just stans being happy but how the GP and other kpop fans take it.)
@@moongirl8807 that’s bc the demographic on Reddit is more mature and know what constructive criticism is compared to other social media platforms like Twitter amd YT
@luneosol yeah and bc Reddit is closely moderated. And I feel like there's barely any children. Adults can be stupid too but you can immediately tell when someone is either new to kpop, under 13 or just a like simple-minded
12:06 this section used to be the reason why i was reluctant to watch your videos at first. A lot of youtubers and specifically video essayists rely on polarizing terms and rage baity content in order to trigger outrage and get views. I mean, i get that sometimes the sentiment is justified, but it's not my cup of tea, since i oftentimes open youtube when I'm drawing or doing some handicrafts, and so i prefer content that is easier to digest emotionally, and not something that's actively pushing me to feel or think a certain way for profit. Part of the reason why your channel has become one of my favorites is because it always discusses topics in a calm, and rather chill, non judgemental manner
That is not to say that I dislike criticism btw ! But I think that if a youtuber wants to use a clickbaity, punchline like title, then they better have the means to defend it to the end, and logically explain the reasoning behind it. Nobody wants a 40 minutes video of someone subjectively explaining why x movie sucks when it could all be boiled down to it not being to their taste
I highly agreed with you. Do you have any good recs of other channels you enjoy?
following this thread, would love to know other channels you enjoy too!
@@gabrielaguzman4195 sorry for the late reply lmao! My brain goes blank the moment I am asked for recommendations 🦧
Sadly I think that you might already know most of the channels I might recommend since they're all pretty popular, but just in case,
I don't know if you're interested in historical content, but "Kaz Rowe" and "Tasting History With Max Miller" have pretty interesting, generally fun videos about historical figures / events
For pop culture stuff "Moderngurlz" and "art at midnight "
"Let's talk religion !" Has a wide variety of videos explaining different religions across both the globe and history, and talking about prominent figures within them
I might come back with more at some point in the future, but in the meantime, if you have any good recs please do mention them :)
@@chelseashift tagging you just in case you didn't get the notif~
This video essay being posted after I watched Alisha’s ‘Booktok, Brainrot and why it’s okay to be a hater’ ahhhhhh I can’t wait to hear more about this subject because as a millennial who grew up while internet was developing itself to where it’s at right now in my late 30s, seeing the decline of media literacy and critical thinking, and anti-intellectualism rise up, welllllll 😬😬😬
I was thinking about the video as well😭
i was thinking about this video too!
not Mina casually mentioning Jack and Jordan. my three worlds colliding
Opened the comments section the second I heard their names 🤧❤️
Who are Jack and Jordan? Completely lost on this.
@@msmoco5898 Jordan Theresa and Jack Edwards - they're RUclipsrs as well.
The way I didn't even clock that it was thee jack Edward's and THEE JORDAN THERESA she meant, damn
Nah cuz I was like "Edwards and Theresa?"
i think a lot of ppl forgot the difference between constructive criticism/reviews and hating on something just because... Constructive criticism has always been valid and is offen actively helping to improve the media we consume.
I think if someone paid to watch/read something and they didn't like it, they have a right to give their opinion as a consumer of that content.
even if someone pirated that shit you can still share your opinion
@@sp.2778 Oh, sure. You still invested your time into watching it.
@@sp.2778Not really, cause you stole it. You didn’t give them anything and they didn’t take your time, you spent it on your own. I’m not gonna get into when pirating is good or bad or anything, but when it’s reviewing a source of media that you didn’t participate and consume like others have; you don’t really get a fair platform to share your opinions. Because not only are you stealing from an author that is probably underpaid, but you’re also criticizing their work (whether it’s fair criticism or not) that you didn’t even compensate them for. So maybe you can still give your opinions and critique, no one can stop you, but they also don’t have the same weight if that makes sense.
I’ve had singers I love and they’ve been letting out mediocre stuff sometimes and the “stans” come to try and kill me. Also companies, like some makeup ones, sometimes only post 4-5 star reviews instead of allowing 3 star or less. I tried submitting a 3 star review that had legitimate criticism and it was never posted. I tested it on the same product with a 4 star, and it was posted in less than 24 hours.
I’ve been noticing on some reviewing platforms that 5 star reviews will be left and then it will actually say: “I haven’t tried out this product yet, but hoping for the best!
the fear of negative reviews became a problem on bookstagram too, for example. i've seen some people being like "oh i'll just post positive reviews because i only want to post about books i liked and don't spread any negativity.". like girl, i'd rather be known as the Gordon Ramsay of books than lie or spread this toxic positivity. as soon as a person does that or posts only 5 stars reviews, i'm out. i can't take and will never take that person seriously. this stupid fear of negativity and the lack of critical thinking (because even if you read for fun, you still can think about something critically) doesn't make any sense whatsoever
I find it interesting that women have to toe this imaginary line of pleasing the masses by being relatable, or hiding away, and men dont. Is it because they aren't always as forward in the media, that their lives are often quite private? I'm not really a social media consumer, I dont go on Instagram or TicTok, and I dont really have a reference for men, however for women( and it might be because I am a woman) I feel like we are saturated with social media about women. What clothes they're wearing, what make up they're wearing, their diets, skincare, what's in their bags. I feel it is wise of Zendaya to stay out of the spotlight in the little ways she can.
“My friends Jack and Jordan” “I’m filming from London” omgggg the Mina Le x Jordan Theresa x Jack Edwards crossover is my MCU ❤
47 seconds!! I’m definitely not a hater of Mina Le
unbiased and tactful criticism is very necessary in any type of media, if it skews negative that fine but the internet tends to be vicious and often times they parade being awful as criticism
6:04 what’s so funny here is that JLo has been exposed as having **other peoples** voices on her tracks and claiming it’s hers like 3x in the last 5 years
I have been waiting for more content about this topic! I feel like the whole “why you hating like a man” or “why you being a hater” phenomenon when it comes to criticism online is definitely a facet of our increasingly anti-intellectual culture. Implying that having a criticism about something or a critical opinion makes you somehow a “hater” -a negative character judgement -just further reinforces this idea that things online must be black and white. Good and bad. You don’t like it? You’re a bad person. These sweeping character judgements based in criticism towards the ability to think critically and be questioning of things is just really disturbing. Like people cannot have discourse online about ANY TOPIC without immediately jumping to moral judgements and grandstanding towards the other person. In the idea that journalism is the fifth estate, meant as a vessel for criticism and inquiry to regulate our society, it’s terrifying to think that death of journalism and criticism may also be the death of regulation and curiosity in our culture and our politics. Anyways great video.
Former collegiate debater here. I think substantial discourse (of any kind) is never conducive in a comment section/twitter replies format. A productive debate is dependent on a lot of set ups, concessions, and context to make sure everyone's on the same page and don't stray from the topic they're discussing. That twitter meme "so you hate waffles" is exactly that: if you only see a sentence of what someone said, it's very possible for you to come from a completely different angle and at that point the "spirit" of the topic or the discussion is lost. You're better off exchanging views through long-form essays or videos.
Agreed, but most people today have the attention span of a gnat and can’t comprehend anything more than a sentence.
Yes! I don’t believe the internet or social media was intended to replace in person discussion/discourse. Even as I write and post this comment, the extent of any “discussion” we could have on this topic is stilted by the lack of immediate response, body language, context etc.
@@samanthacashx Reply's a bit late, but I also want to say that I've deleted multiple sentences on my comment above, watering down my point, and therefore proving our points lololol
the way I just finished the last video and now there's another one i'm going to be so cultured
Speaking on the topic of overexposure as a woman, I also find it interesting how Taylor Swift lost her nominations at the Grammy’s last year but was still getting viral praises bc she was dancing/singing along and ppl called her cute/humble for that. As opposed to this year she won and enjoyed the performances the same but that singing/dancing along thing is now called attention seeking instead.
I thought that was interesting as well! It gave me serious Jennifer Lawrence flashbacks. Everyone loved the 'personality' until she won an Oscar and got nominated for more, then it was 'fake' and 'annoying'. Same thing happened here. You also see men acting like absolute FOOLS sometimes at these things and there seems to be a 'haha, boys will be boys' mentality about them.
people dont want to admit that review writing is itself an art form. you have to not only understand the art itself that youre reviewing, you have to understand the individual piece and then properly convey that in an engaging way.
BABE WAKE UP A NEW MINA JUST DROPPED
At almost 36 i finally just stopped caring about, and criticizing others. My 90 year old neighbor criticizes my every move, but if she were to get hurt I would help her. I think at this point we’re all giving ourselves stress wrinkles when we hate.
I just turned 30 and never been more chill, I realized that hating takes so much energy, it's ok to not like stuff and criticize, but people who makes a living out of hating stuff makes no sense to me, I followed for years a booktuber and watched all her reviews, but after a while she started to ONLY post negative reviews, and I was like "you read all this books knowing you are going to hate them, just to rant about it online?" like, the energy spent on reading a 900 pages young adult fantasy book could be used more effectively I think, and of course, the fans of the books are going to hate on her, so becomes this snowball of negativity, it must be exhausting.
I don’t mind the wrinkles if I can still call people out for being assholes ☺️🫶
why the fuck can we not distinguish between critical thinking skills and being a sneering, hyper-critical person. jfc, are we not smarter than this?
Critism is valuable. You don't make the world a better place by allowing everything to go uncriticized. It's not "hate" to point out shortcomings. If someone is making a statement that lacks perspective and undermines other people's experiences, that's worthy of criticism.
@@orphaxx1254 oh believe me, I still call people out lol. some people need to be.
I have ALWAYS HATED this phrase "don't say anything at all, unless you have something nice to say".
It teaches how to NOT deal with negative emotions. Hence those being reviewed not being able to handle the review objectively. I'm not saying all negative reviews are necessary, but the phrase "don't say anything at all, unless you have something nice to say" is a phrase and a concept learned when a child and effects emotional growth.
It doesn't allow room for dealing with negative emotions we have towards something OR negative emotions others have towards us healthily.
Great video!! I’m a teacher in a small border town and I personally blame parents for a lot of this media illiteracy. Giving a child a phone with full access at a very young age when they haven’t developed that media literacy is a huge issue. On top of that what it does to a students attention span is astronomical. Kids are drawn into this crazy stan culture at a super young age and are listening to idiots older than them on tiktok so they see them as authority figures. Its not the amount of information thats the problem its the access and the age at which they gain that access. Imo. Great video!!!
As a millennial I am constantly baffled by news like this because I thought my generation (which I assume most new parents are) had a pretty basic understanding of the pitfalls of the internet and current day media. But then again, how we consume media has changed significantly in the past 20-15 years: where tv stations used to curate our media for you (and where your parents decided what stations and shows you we're okay to watch and when) kids get to see almost anything at anytime (see Elsagate from a few years ago). And now we have TikTok in the mix as well like you mentioned..
@@dormant_informant Truthfully I thought we all knew better than this!! But when my uncle started having kids a few years back and instantly gave them ipads at 3 years old to watch endless youtube videos on. I was like dude you used to unplug the SuperNintendo if my cousin and I played too much??? And this kid has all kinds of literacy and many other issues that doctors speculate may be caused by that early access to ipads. Its wild how quickly we have regressed online the past decade.
‘In the 16th century theatres were relatively affordable’ in many European countries now you can see shows for less than £25/€30. I saw PotO on the west end for only £22 (like $26) and multiple Mozart and Puccini operas for less than €20.
It seriously bothers me that art and music are gatekept in the USA.
honestly there are a lot of issues with theatre and the lack of arts funding in the US, but there are also vast misconceptions by most Americans about the costs of theatre. People think all theatre is Broadway and it's gonna be $100 or something. In a substantial US city, there are going to be small and medium-sized theatres with $10-$30 tickets (easily under £25/€30) and usually some with pay-what-you-can nights. For most of my life, the most I paid for a ticket was $45.
It costs a lot of money to make theatre in the US, and it's an industry with entrenched issues of catering to rich donors. But it's also an industry that keeps trying to get people who aren't rich back into the seats, and a lot of people just don't look and assume they can't afford it, or miss the fact that a theatre even exists if they don't have a big marketing budget. (The ones with marketing budgets are going to be the most expensive, generally.)
Nite-of-show prices too,@@ArtichokeHunter. (I'm eating chokes today, matter of fact!)
@@fredkrissman6527 100%. Even on Broadway you can get cheap tickets if you're willing to rush or do lottery. If you're a student or under 30 there are the most deals, but there's so many types to be found. Plus often free staged readings and any school that teaches theatre also probably has cheap or free tickets. The other big thing is if you want to see a bunch of theatre for free, so many theatres need volunteers who come early, help out, and see the show for free.
I'm always for greater accessibility in theatre, but I just don't think the gap between the US and Europe in theatre access is quite what people act like it is. The US and Europe are huge varied places, but there are cheap and free opportunities all over.
@@ArtichokeHunter true a broadway and off broadway shows in NYC are expensive. I’ve seen load a of productions and other cities also be stupid expensive. I grew up in DC so the big stage near me was the Kennedy center which of course had touring broadway shows, operas and plays but I was always priced out of those ($100/200 per person). Even shows at the national theatre and Shakespeare theatre can be pretty pricey maybe I’ll have to search around for some regional theatre groups.
@@oliviapilson I'm in DC. Just don't pick the most expensive shows at the most expensive theatres and there's tons for under $30. The Kennedy Center has stuff for $100 and stuff for free. Not saying it wouldn't be great for everything to be cheap, but the idea that theatre is pricing people out is only true if people only care about the most expensive Big Budget theatre. There's previews, there's obstructed view seats, and there's smaller theatres where you can find something more niche and support artists who aren't backed by corporate sponsors and big institutions.
There's also a lot more being streamed online these days for free. Definite drawbacks to that but it can increase access.
my 3 cents: critique anything you want but say in a way you would do it talking to a friend.
This phenomenon of bad reviews dying in popular culture mostly in books is something that i have noted recently, but for me is interesting seeing how it works because i'm mostly a Metal and Videogames guy, and man people here don't care to blast soemthing if is bad, so i want to see how that kind of culture of not cirticizing was created.
I think it's because they depend on companies sending them books, inviting to events, getting first drafts and this kind of stuff, people usually get too big online and stop criticizing stuff in fear of losing sponsors or contacts.
Eh kinda? Like steam reviews or influencers/twitch streamers do say whatever they think in their critique, but websites and journalists are def too "scared" (or paid lol) to write a bad review (I'm looking at you IGN)
I think it’s what the person before me said but also that it’s pretty normal or „in“ to be nice, positive etc (and not that this would be a bad thing!!) but I saw literally the worst people I’ve ever meet portraying themselves as super spiritual, positive, nice etc. just for the „aesthetics“ lol
And let’s not forget how normalised it is to be fake and not showing your real emotions/thoughts in America. It’s completely different in Europe. You don’t need to be overly friendly to someone you just meet because the Norm says so. At least that how I experienced it…
@@mochicinno_more like journalist are not ramdom guys with computer and Internet who gain money manipulatiog young kids to hate on someone or something.
They take what they review seriously.
The Margaret Clark quote about money in relation to girls is so interesting! It reminded me of something my mom said to me once about how "the money men made was different from the money women made" when we talked about old starlets... Really makes me want to read up about the trope of women being seen as "shallow" or how it was seen as bad for women to be career driven over family focused 😖
Thank you for explaining terms like 'media literacy' and 'people's princess'!
English isn't my first language, so your explanations give the necessary context. I appreciate it! ❤
I also think there is a problem with how in the age of social media, consuming entertainment has become somewhat of a performance. Where people feel the need to immediately share their thoughts or 'takes' on new media as soon as they've seen or heard it, often with provoking or polarizing keywords, instead of letting themselves take time to digest or think about the piece of media. And that paired with a lot of people who seem to need a superiority complex to allow themselves to enjoy things makes a lot of online criticism feel disingenuous.
If only people can just stick to saying their opinions - I've happily listened to critics or people who say stuff like "I don't like/I think it is overrated" but most people are lazy and just say "XYZ is so bad" like it's some sort of universal truth. Fans though likewise have the same issue, calling everything that someone does a "masterpiece" or claiming that their favourite whatever is better than anything/one else is just magnets to "haters" too.
I felt like the key to all of this is your observation that NO generation has good media literacy, and I think more broadly the skill of critical thinking generally. Even when we are smart enough to know we should be sceptical of what we consume, we lack the skills to properly analyse things such as bias, agenda, broader context, objectivity, skill/craft/technique etc. I can't think of a single example mentioned in this video where the situation wouldn't have been improved (or not existed/ been an issue at all) if we were all genuinely skilled in objective media literacy and critical thinking.
I am just skilful enough to know I'm not quite as skilful at this as I need to be, which is why I end up searching for people like Mina to give perspectives I haven't considered...but that also relies on my own ability to judge who I should be watching for objective, intelligent and balanced/varied critique. 😅
I’m so glad you talked about letterboxd. I’m so sick of the quippy my one liner “reviews” (paired with an automatic 5 stars) on there that only serve to display a user’s quirkiness. Let’s please go back to engaging critically with art and media.
I felt like this with new Taylor Swift album, which as a fan I didn't like but all of the reviews were shockingly positive. I came across of only one negative on facebook I think it was by New York Times and the comments were crazy. I know that fans tend to defend their favorite artists but the ongoing discourse was "this music is not for everyone if you don't like it don't comment it" but like why? Why can't I give criticism, why is every criticism taken as a hate?
This is a topic that I both feel strongly about but also feel bad about. I've heard people say that if they love the author but hated the book they read, they'll leave a good review legitimately because they love the author. IMO that is so silly to me. If I only read positive reviews I am going to assume the work is good! So when I read it and it is bad, I feel lied to. But in a way we are lying to ourselves by not being critical enough to media we normally would review but feel bad doing so. There is always an excuse it seems. Oh it's a small business, an indie author, etc. I'm tired of that excuse. We need the balance of good and bad reviews.
Heck, in the video game space, I'll see so much ESPECIALLY with Indie games. "This is amazing, it's a must buy" and then I play it and go, hmmm maybe the online reviewer should have been honest that there is only 1 hour of content for a $15 game. Like we do not need to be rude about it, but we need to find the balance again.
Idk I went to art school and I would have never grown w/o criticism. Hate the culture we live in where criticism is like wrong. Attacking is one thing but crit is another
I feel like we saw this fear of criticizing friends/peers really develop in the social media age during the 2016 height of the beauty influencer. We saw all of these youtubers praising each other's new beauty products only for them to not work well AT ALL, but they would never address the reality of the product bc it was their friend's. Such an amazing vid as always
Batman V Superman changed how reviews were presented, before that movie people were not afraid to say a movie was bad, afterwars they were like "it's entrataining if you shut your brain off".
I agree with this
amazing video, mina!! i definitely think there’s been a huge conflation of legit criticism with just being a hater, which to me means spouting biased, uninformed, or just insulting or unnecessary takes. and yeah, people are SO fickle, especially when it comes to popular media or people.
hahah 'dont dish it out if you can't lap it up' is the expression 💗 great takes as always!
i have never heard that version :O i have heard something close to "don't dish it out if you can't take it". from california if that means anything.
@@MossTunic im sure the expression varies regionally! Or even by family haha
"Don't dish it if you can't take it" but I've always been a big fan of "If you can't handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen"
@@juliet6200 thats a good one too!!
While there are many RUclipsrs that I enjoy listening to as I do other things, I can NEVER do that with your videos. I'm excited to settle in and savor it, really absorb everything. Keep up the great work!!! It's always a great day when Mina Le uploads
HATERS UNITE! as long as it is rooted in constructive or critical thought ~
I've mostly seen "let people enjoy things" as a response to hating on something because it is popular or because someone personally doesn't like something, because it's not to their taste, instead of reasons that actually have to do with the thing. Basically the Twilight discourse. Like, there is legitimate criticism to be made about Twilight, language and grammar, the lack of understanding of how this world works with the info that we've been given from the world building, weird messages about relationships, mormon convictions shining through in weird ways, framing the stalking as romantic, etc. But that's not what the discourse was about, it was about sparkling vampires, and teenage crushes on actors.
So at that point they were just hating on teenage girls for liking something. Telling those commenters to just let people enjoy things makes sense.
This is also why media literacy is important, you can see the issues in a piece of media, and you can still enjoy it despite, or maybe even because of, those issues. Do I see the romanticisation of stalking in Twilight? Yes. Can I read it despite that? Also yes. Do I enjoy fanfic more, especially ones that explores the implications of the world building? Also yes. (The Volturi are the only ones keeping humanity alive, there are barely any vampires who care about humans at all, most of them see humans as annoyances and food. They would gladly slaughter cities for themselves. They don't because The Volturi won't let them. The Volturi have one single rule: Do not get noticed. And vampires can't even follow that one. They make toddler vampires who level cities when they have a tantrum, they wage wars that decimate entire areas... Humanity would be enslaved or dead if the Volturi weren't there)
Don’t even get me started on stans sending death threats due to negative reviews and causing critics to have to publish anonymously.
23:29 i think part of this too is the character limits and video length limits on platforms like tiktok and instagram. if you only have a minute or 240 characters, it’s challenging to develop or respond to ideas with nuance
I like kpop and I used to read and watch reviews and reactions vids, but got tired quite quickly. Most reactors only act good expressions and barely give any honest intake anymore, because they know whats good for clicks and avoids avid fans' bad comments. Now i only check one blog from time to time because the blog owner still give their honest opinion respectfully and pointing out what could had been better and what is not for them.
Some people doesn't know what constructive criticism actually is and some people doesn't know how to take it without assuming immediately that is "hate".
this transitions even into reviews for places like etsy or depop the amount of times i’ve seen ppl get bullied out of their non positive reviews by the shop keeper is crazy
When i was deep in star wars twitter i see "just be grateful you get new sw media/content" or "do you even like star wars" get thrown a lot. And also The Phrase "all star wars is good star wars". It's frustrating because some of the output has been bare minimum. They can get away with the worst script and/or visuals because if they can do the minimum and get great numbers why bother trying. I just need people to enjoy things for what they are really, no need to be dishonest about it.
Oh wow! I’m sorry! I’m here! I am a huge deep lore multimedia Star Wars fan. The Disney shit sucks so much. And I’m sorry lol but I don’t like the live action at all. I think Star Wars works best in animation, video games, comics, stories, books, novels, “fan art”, games, conversations, general engagement, etc…
Kenobi was a huge disappointment to me. I like the first episode because I was still excited. And then it just kept being an anti-consumerist comment on itself because of how subpar, bad, and douchebro fanservice overkill (fs on its own is not bad; it matters which fans are being served and how much)…. it was…
No disrespect to the actors, crew, talent, etc. This is absolutely a systemic problem and includes group-imposed “echo chambers” that stifle any legitimate criticism or just… concerns even… at all.. lol… comments that’s not blind worship… uhhh… positive feedback loops resulting in stagnation and reproduction of that which increasingly no longer works or is beneficial in any way…
At any rate, thank you for sharing and pointing that out. Keep the negative feedback loops going? They are truly the measures of equilibrium that sustain all things and promote growth and diversity… and or… not… etc…
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My biggest (and probably pettiest in the most basic sense) issue with social media and how accessible it platforms people’s nonsensical opinions they’ve mistaken for a real thought on something and the dog piling! In any comment thread or online discussion, no matter how much time has elapsed from the original comment or what was said/discussed/debated/conceded/educated/etc, there’s always people who feel they *need* have their input shoved into the thread. The worst is when someone comments something objectively incorrect (e.g., “dogs aren’t social animals”) and someone kindly corrects them and the original (incorrect) commenter acknowledges their mistake and moves on BUT without fail there’s always the trickling in of those who want to feel big and seen and can’t help themselves but to comment what was already discussed (e.g., “you’re dumb dogs are social animals”). It just drives me up a wall because that’s not contributing anything to the discussion, sometimes the following trickle-in comments are just rude because they want to be, and it’s just a highlight on the fact they didn’t read the comment thread OR they did read the comment thread and saw the correction and response and STILL felt the need to inject their lukewarm, unhelpful comment. Stop throwing trash in a full dumpster.
the fall of media literacy UGHHHH! i actually die a little every time someone analyzes the point of a book or a film wrong as a literature major. for example, if a book character commits arson everybody jumps onto their little tiktok accounts and say that that book is "normalizing" arson or painting it in a positive light just because the character is charismatic. hello??? they might be PORTRAYED as a charismatic evil/morally grey character, this does NOT mean that the author is supporting arson or normalizing it, they are more likely criticizing the arson and/or making the story more complex. i'm so so so tired of it....
I think ironically criticism is sometimes what brings us closer, or at least I’ve felt that. Like the majority of the conversations I have with one of my friends is arguing about Taylor Swift. While she is a swiftie and I’m most definitely not, I like to think that we both appreciate each others side of the argument. I’ll critique her as much as I like, but my friend will never stop liking her because of what I say. At the end of the day it gives us a constant source of conversation, which ultimately brings us closer. So I think there is something to be said about criticism being healthy, or rather a beneficial tool in how we interact with each other, because without our opposite views, I feel like I wouldn’t have such a good relationship with my friend.
A "like" just for not being a swiftee! 😉
A dislike for not being a swiftie 😊
I was a theater artist for 25 years. Most of my scripts and productions criticized the industry itself, especially locally - the people/entities actually watching my shows. Criticizing, say, George Bush, seemed largely self-indulgent and meaningless when 99% of the people watching my stuff already agreed with any such criticism. I wanted to challenge the industry, not coddle it. Shocking, those same entities didn’t like me very much, and I never got my foot in any door that was not of my own making. I was shocked. Shocked! That after years of speaking truth to power, power was not eager to invite me to any of its luncheons. Ah well.
Just woke up from a nap thanks Mina!! I’m reading Magnolia Parks and it’s alright. Don’t know why it’s one of the most sought after books of this year
Wait you’re in London?! I think that’s where this book takes place!! Mina youre so cute
it’s not. their PR team just says so
Did you finish it? I heard a lot of people enjoyed it and I was thinking of borrowing it from the library
@@usernotfound.......1918 i’ll finish it today i took it slow cause the tropes pissed me off but other than that i actually do like it, it’s chaotic and addictive to read
Media literacy goes hand in hand with general literacy and recently there's been a major drop in in literacy across North America. Ever take a gander into comment sections on instgram/tiktok and people are hateful or mad at the creator for some reason, but it's clear they didn't actually watch or read the post and actually absorb what they're saying.
Absolutely love this video!!! So much nuance with every topic. I think the “let people enjoy things” take is valid in certain situations. I feel like there are some critics, arm chair critics, or just m3n out there that are like “i hate this thing so you shouldn’t enjoy it at all,” which just feels absurd and a bit misogynistic. Like sure, nothing is perfect or above criticism but being told I’m wrong or wasting my time for indulging in art is just annoying.
Side note, I had no idea that people were hating Anne Hathaway, so rude!! I’ve adored her since the princess diaries
Ayo actually commented on her current relationship with letterboxd in a vanity fair video posted 8 days ago! around the 7 minute mark she said she’s “kinda chilling” on it all since people were getting a wee bit upset with her takes LOL …love that you mentioned her cos we loveeeeed her reviews
This video is fantastic. All your most recent videos have been articulating things I’ve been thinking but not really having discussions about. Feels good to have this outlet!
Keep doing your thing, girlie!!
I understand why creators can be sensitive to criticism. Offering your art to the world puts you in a vulnerable position and whilst you hope that your art will be embraced, not everyone will do so. Criticism is taken personally because it is, even if the critic is trying to be objective or professional, they are judging a piece of you that you've shared with the world and that can feel like a rejection.
I miss Television Without Pity, where I could read 40+ pages recap of a single episode of American Idol, or Community, or Smallville and it was MAGICAL
The problem is constructive criticism vs hating. Haters like to pretend to be more than they are.
I truly feel you are an original thinker. Your videos are entertaining but you also come across as honest and like you have your own thoughts
we can always count on mina for the most nuanced, well researched takes
I love your takes; I’d love to hear your take on this years met gala and how it plays into the public’s overall shift on how we view/digest celebrities and celebrity culture
with media literacy, it's really important to know WHY the author of the work is doing the things they do. you can say "fight club talks shit about capitalism" but not knowing that it came after the rise of consumerism with yuppie culture in the 1980s means you don't get the full context. the most important thing about a story is the themes, which craft a story much more nuanced than you can convey in a 1 minute tiktok. also tiktok sucks real bad and i'm sick of hearing about it
Social media and blogging have altered - almost killed - traditional journalism. But your commentary exposes why professional journalism is so valuable and missing! Journalists are held to a certain expectation of impartiality which is impossible to maintain in the age of twitter.
Speaking of criticism, I just wanted to say that, on your recommendation, I read Of Human Bondage and am currently reading Ex-Wife and I am transfixed! Your recommendations are gold! Thank you for bringing these books into my life.
RUclips recommended your channel to me today and i am so GLAD not only are your videos so well crafted, detailed and sourced, you individually are such a gem and i am loving your content so far. Kinda mentioned in this video, but the internet and all its various platforms are so so oversaturated and I feel like, because of this, I struggle to find people I relate to an subjects I find engaging. YOU and your channel are the whole package for me and I have never been more grateful for an algorithm, as I am for the one that showed me you. I dont currently have the words to explain how thankful I am for the inspiration and motivation you have instilled in me and I am delighted that I will have you and your videos with me along the next steps of my journey ❤❤
I feel like there could be a whole video essay on just the topic of how teenage girls are made fun of and not respected, even though they are the one that choose what becomes pop culture. Also the men are jealous because their interests, like sports or cars never have had such an impact mainstream (this changing though for example f1 reaching mainstream bc of Netflix show)
YES!! I just commented about this, I was watching a Hockey match and thinking: dudes be fighting bare fist on ice skates, getting brain damage for fun, then, have the audacity to complain about girls crying at a concert. 😂
While there is clearly a misogynist and adultist bias against the interests and tastes of teenage girls, I don’t feel like it’s accurate or fair to say that male interests aren’t mainstream; sports including Formula 1 have been televised for decades.
But sports and cars are billion dollar industries how can they be not mainstream
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@@Wut-eo1xo well, the only think I know about Football is that the dude in the red jersey dates Taylor Swift..Sports are a topic that doesn't get the same kind of coverage that entertainment does, the sport shows are about the game, the players, strategies, teams and stuff, not really about their personal life outside of the field, and usually the only time media outside sports talk about them is when they are dating some celebrity. (which I think is a positive thing)
great video -- i really dig the nuance. there is a huge difference between actual criticism and hate and people really seem to be forgetting that. there's also a huge trend of people moralizing why they dislike something instead of just being able to say "i don't like it" -- good stuff
I think if we’re talking about criticism and turning on/ getting sick of ppl like Taylor swift and Zendaya, i think it’s PARAMOUNT to mention that almost ALL of their public criticism right now is due to them failing to use their platform to help suffering people 🇵🇸 🇨🇩🇸🇩🇸🇸🇨🇬🇺🇦
love what you said about the star ratings, totally gonna adopt this mentality
There is such a weird mixture of people not wanting to say anything bad/not analyzing media and people waaay overanalyzing media (poorly) going on right now. The biggest thing i've noticed is that people right now are really struggling to believe that someone else can have a different perspective on a piece of media that is equally true. For example, I think the book Pride and Prejudice is fascinating, but my brother thinks that it is extremely boring. Both of us are true! To me, the book is fascinating because I love character development and history. To my brother, it's boring because there is no "action". If my brother said Pride and Prejudice was poorly written, then he'd be wrong, because it's a masterful novel, but his own enjoyment or not enjoyment of a book isn't a judgement on the novel itself, therefore is completely true no matter what it is.
I feel like so many people give and take comments like "the movie was boring" as a legitimate criticism on that piece of media, leading to many arguments and debates when all they really needed to respond with was "okay".
Also, when I say "let people enjoy things" it usually means, to me, stop shoving all the "controversies" or "problematic elements" or even just "plot holes" and such of something someone enjoys in their face and forcing them to acknowledge them when they're probably well aware of them already. I am very interested in the fashion history of the 1800s, but i'm getting pretty sick of people saying "yeah but you know people were racist back then"-- like, duh! People need to start understanding that people can be interested in something and not condone all aspects of it!!
It's just such a complex situation, so the ideal equilibrium is the true and a big challenge. But for me, at the end, the important is to find a way to see all the sides to construct your vision and then be authentic to it, even so leaving it open. And then excise to understand that others are on this same hard path...