Tl;Dr -The radar lies, don't trust it -See red on the radar? Don't rush, stay next to cover. -You know sliding out of cover, now try sliding back into cover -"He's weak, push him" is a good way to get yourself killed out of cover. -switch weapons to assert dominance -in a 2v1 or 3v1, run and turn that 2v1into a 1v1v1 - when facing a sniper, remember that snipers never flinch, so don't try to flinch them -if the sniper is close, slide towards them if you can get them into your primary's effective range -sometimes a sniper just gets a lucky crit before you can even react. Accept it and move on. Everyone gets a lucky shot off every now and then.
@@stasis760 They're changing how snipe flinch works in Beyond Light, but at the moment flinch tends to pop the sight up to your enemy's head when you're ADS, so if you learn how to game that with certain sticky snipes (rapid-fires, some adaptives i.e. Beloved) you can just nuke whoever engages you. This is what people mean when they say snipes don't get flinched.
the radar is telling the but the radar is kinda bullshit when your in the moment and if that doesn't fuck you over your melee will suddenly your ouy of range even though he's 1 meter up your ass
Im good with my primary and sniper shots but shot gun shots seem to ghost through people a lot. Im pretty sure my guardian is holding the shotgun backwards but i cant find anything in the setting to turn your weapons arounds. so now im trying to master a moonwalking shotgun slide. ill get there. practice makes perfect
A lot of this game is confidence based. I’ve been improving a lot by just having the mindset that i am better then the other player and will destroy there hopes and dreams of killing me
Really liked this video, still watching it but I can already see it being a great series for anyone looking to improve. Apathettic is a great player when it comes to engagement mastery.
Seriously. Definitely wanna thank you for introducing me to Apathetic and his content. Seems like a great guy and he is super knowledgeable on all things pvp related.
Hey P.Cakes it would be super amazing if you could get Apathetic to agree to do another video just like this one but as a RUclips live stream. As I was watching the video there was a couple of times where i wanted to throw a question into the conversation you were having with Apathetic. It would so cool to have like an open class discussion like this with some of the best players in the game, my favorites players at least. It would probably have to be limited amount of people in the stream so ur not getting flooded with to many questions. Idk... I would be excited to be apart of it but as far as the practicality of it, Im not sure im hoping u think its practical lol
That would be a cool format! Live streams are harder since we both have different schedules and we recorded this one really late at night, but maybe we can do it sometime
@@PattycakesGaming If any one can do it tho...I think Surely Mac Daddy Patty. P and Epic of the Super Copasetic Apathetic, can get it done...sry..I get carried away with word play sometimes.
More of this please! Maybe talk a bit about identifying good sight lines for your weapon choices and how to navigate around certain maps depending on your weapon choice? Not just simple things like “don’t run down sniper sight lines with a primary or shotgun” but like where in the areas to move to minimize exposing yourself to lines you don’t intend to.
The part about how your radar can deceive you is one of those reasons why I find value in Gemini Jester exotic. Apart from its exotic perk, it will also show you tiny, like one, tic of dmg on your screen and more or less reveal you where the other guy is, thus better allow you to execute your next move.
@@haterincorporated21 Yeah, I can imagine. My current fav combo is Gemini + Thorn/Crimson. Either to be able to easily chain Soul Devour or to heal myself and never have to reload. Great with shotgun, that umbral fusion (if u have killing wind on it) or Truthteller with Disruption Break.
Apathettic was a really good guest and is extremely knowledgeable and has that way to were he can explain very well what he’s trying to say. Great job.
Thank you guys. I learned a lot from this video. I’ve been playing destiny since you’re one day one. Sometimes I have good days in the crucible or sometime I just suck LOL. But now I am understanding my mistakes. So thank you for taking the time out to make this video.
Idk if you remember me but you hearted my comment on your sniper vid where I said I was going to use it to improve my sniping, I did practice and I think I’ve gotten decent at sniping. I beat my friend Marcus in a 1v1 yesterday and he’s the 2nd best player I know. However, I’m still finding it extremely challenging to combat the felwinters lie, Antaeus wards, aping Titans in games like rumble and I feel like this video helped me with that. I really appreciate all your doing for newer players and I love your videos!
I think the one thing that helps me up my k/D the most is this: You, for the most part, choose who, where, and when you fight. Keep that in mind. If you have a feeling you won't win the engagement, it's totally fine to turn tail and run instead of getting lit up by 3 guys that you thought were one on the radar. Sure you might lose a zone, but catching up with your team and taking one of theirs or team shooting the enemy could make or break a match. You choose your engagements. Not the other way around. Avoid sniper lanes, play with a sniper for a while to realize where those might be for future reference if need be. If someone is sitting around a corner, and you think sprinting around the corner to shotgun them is the optimal play, trust me, he's gonna kill you and the guy behind you. Just back up and change your angle. You'll get a kill. Once this falls into place, you're a lot more likely to win engagements cause you'll understand the flow of the map and your enemies better, and you can catch them by surprise most times. Had a game the other day where I put on not forgotten and bite of the fox with one eyed mask. Got 25 kills and a 6.25 k/D. And I loved every second of it. Instead of getting tilted at every death I was happy cause that meant I got more special for my sniper. Avoiding tilt is also very important. But that comes with time.
oh man I'm going to start practicing these techniques ... i've never considered taking pvp serious until a few weeks ago...and that's been since Halo!...just didn't understand the methods to have a decent KTD...and I am improving but i still die to fast too often! thanks for posting this!!! and thank you Apathettic
OMG, FINALLY!!! A good video with great, easy to understand tips with intuitive explainations. I followed the advice in this video the best I could, and dropped 35 kills my first game. After that, my k/d in the next few games was never below 2.5 and it felt much better than going ape all the time 😅 no more running around with my shotty out for me.
I want to congratulate you, you’re the first youtube gamer whose intro did not bore me. I actually was enthralled the whole intro, good luck on your future in youtube.
These guys might not be quite as well known as some of the other creators out there like Hush or Cammy but this is seriously some quality content. Keep up the great work!
I like how you factor in the latency/peekers advantage/lag/netcode in your explanations and decision making. I notice a lot of people are dismissive of its significance. I know its not consistent or easy to account for, but you always have to be mindful of it.
Apa is ALWAYS killin it, the amount of information I've learned from his is astronomical. A big mistake I see a lot of my friends making, is not knowing the range of their weapons. Knowing when you can get that perfect map for a shotty or how much damage drop off affects your guns is absolutely important in engagements.
The biggest tip I have ever given people is to just look at the big picture. Too many people focus so much on their 1v1 that they forget what's happening around them. 1v1s should start coming naturally (to an extent) as you play more, which allows you to think where, when, and what is happening arround you. If you're having a bad day and you start complaining about your aim, you are no longer thinking, 'what are my teamtes doing,' 'where are the enemies spawning,' 'what is the enemy going to do in this situation,' you're just thinking about trying to hit your shots. Also, when it comes to what gun you should have out, apa touched on that perfectly! I'd say that a lot of it comes down to reading your opponent, but in a situation where you just don't know, its better to slide out with your shotty (since an enemy up close is much more of a danger than one far away), and slide back to cover if need be. One of the hardest scenarios is when, lets say, your enemy runs back into blue spawn like apa showed off, and you want to push the enemy before he kills your teamate, but you don't want to play it stupidly. Worst case scenario that happens often, is that I'll turn the corner wide in case they are baiting it with a shotgun, but they're actually straight lining my teamate. I just wasted a lot of time trying to be safe, and it ended up costing my teamates life. Circling back to that big picture idea, when you really stop and think, there is no win it that situation. The enemy is just stalling for his teamtes and trying to get a pick. You can either push him together and possiby risk a trade, or swiftly take the 3v2 in the enemies opposite spawn. By looking at the big picture, you'll contribute to your team much more and lower your chance of dying in an unexpected way.
@@victorsalas2742 I did forget to mention, if you have a sniper, everything I said doesn't apply to you. If you just ads and let the flinch aim your rifle towards the enemies face, you'll be fine! 😂
Nice work. I particularly appreciated the extra effort editing from both angles. Extra work, but I'd continue doing that were possible. Looking forward to the next.
Thanks! I thought it was worth it :) Not sure if you saw yet, but I put out another episode of this style of video featuring my friend Gleauxx 2 days ago
You guys did a really good job! This is a super helpful video and I think a lot of people would appreciate more like this. I know I'd watch them all for sure.
I uploaded it last night but scheduled for this morning to publish. But with the way YT playlists work, you can see videos that aren't even published yet. It's a weird quirk of the system
This video helped a lot, I went from sometimes getting 5 kill streaks to consistently getting them and even often getting 10 kill streaks. Still working on that we ran but it will come
Good tips overall especially on the radar and anti sniper tips. I also feel what you guys said is true about the difficulty of shotgun/snipe in low vs high skills.
The quality of the info in this video is amazing. I'm a pretty good pvp player but man I learned a lot watching this. Thank you sir. Best regards from Chile 🇨🇱
Very helpful video, not just for noobs, I'm a vet myself but still helped. Deep analysis of specific maps let's say for trials and how you guys would play that specific map etc. Some decent vet players like me don't really have a team so I'm my case I lack the trials experience. Great vid guys.
Really nice video. The conversation about engagement was exactly what I've been thinking on lately, and you guys just jumpstarted a couple of hurdles I've been pondering. Thanks for putting it together!
Awesome video 👍🏼 as a fellow guardian who plays mainly pvp you guys brought up a lot of good points. the point that I think was the best was from 24:22- 25:12. I sometimes play with randoms and occasionally I’ll play with some players who tend to overthink what happens and they do get a little bit in their head and it can throw them off.
Hey man played against you guys yesterday in trials, ggs and thanks for all of the tips. I’ve implemented them into my gameplay and have significantly improved my gun skill and game sense with it. Hope you have a great day and thanks for continuing to put out content man!
Great discussion. Please think about doing more of these, I like the singular/solo content, but these types of discussions are a great way to showcase the mindset of good players. Thanks for the great work, keep trucking.
My biggest problems have always been a lack of situational awareness (WHERE ARE THEY!!! WHERE DID MY TEAM GO!!! WHERE DID HE COME FROM!!!) and when someone gets really close and/or jumps/Blinks over me I blank/choke and get killed. The problem is I have no idea what to do about it. At best I think I'm slightly above average when I get into the zone but if I can stop aimlessly wandering around I might enjoy PvP more.
Love the teaching style of your videos. It makes it feel like a class and I actually really improve listening to your advice and by watching your videos. Thank you so much for being such a chill guy that just wants to help the community.
All right Mr. Cakes. Hear me and hear me well sir. The only Cakes I knew about in this game was Ikora, I mean Cammy. Now I know of a Patty. I am happy. 🤓
This is actually a crazy imformative video. Apathettic is a really good player so its cool to get his insights. I realy think you shiuld try this exact same format with some other high skill PvP players. Between you and your guests, you can inform and teach your viewers quite a lot. Good work dudes!
I as a blink master can input some advice that may help.. if you think you can blink shotty 🦧 and think you can kill that pro player the answer is only if your a cracked shot with chaperone lol otherwise they will predict you and kill you before you blink and when you come out of your blink.. it’s best to use it to be evasive not aggressive though it can work against unaware enemies but that’s it.. I can wipe a whole team blink devour shotty but only if I catch them off guard.. mainly lesser skilled teams.. but in comp it’s a definite no so it’s best to be patient unless your using jotunn lmao
Wicked awesome video! Would love to see more like this from you. Perhaps with insights from other players you play PVP or PVE with as well. Really enjoyed learning from this one. Keep up the great work!
Awesome video. Apathetic is amazing. Been using all the tips in his videos to help improve. Gone from a .7kd to a 1.1kd so I'm slowly improving. Been a very frustrating climb. I have a lot of the knowledge of WHAT I need to do, it's just been a struggle putting this stuff into action. I've got a huge appreciation(don't think that's the right word lol)for guys like Apathetic and yourself because of the huge amount of time you put into practicing.
I've been trying my best. I usually spend the first month or so of a season grinding PvE then the rest of the season I live in crucible. An with this delay I've had ALOT of extra time to try and improve.
This is very useful information, i learned a lot. This has been the thing that has been holding me back and this will give me more things to practice, thanks pattycakes!
Loved this vid! somehow felt different... than the most out there. Sharing wisdom feels generous. Also put things in perspective about toxic pvp gods who never helps just call you trash even if you’re a fit. Not all good players are dheadz. Keep these coming!
Your 5 teammates that simultaneously died to a blueberry titan with a traveller's chosen (broken), while luring the entire enemy team to your back: "allow us to introduce ourselves"
Brilliant video, would love a detailed series like this, half way through I thought about movement against high level snipers, very glad when you started about that.
Great content! Wish it was longer and with gameplay with maybe a voice over if exactly what he’s seeing/thinking/planning/motives behind all of that and what he chooses to do while we have real 3v3 sweats situations to watch etc. Just my opinion but I absolutely love your analytical skills/content 💜🔥💯
Great video Patty! You and Apathetic are some of my favorite D2 players to watch. Nice insight into how to approach engagements with higher skilled players.
I needed this video more than anything, I play on console and my snipes hit like 80% of the time, my primary game is pretty good with anything but pulse rifles. My positioning tho and game awareness is pretty bad so this helped wayyyyy more than other videos. Thank you 🙏
Hey guys, great vid! I’d definitely watch more videos like this. One ? I have is when to cast a super, a lot of times I cast mine and it goes to waste, thanks!
Thus was really cool. Can you try to explain any terms you throw out in other vids? I think 'aping' is sliding out to get someone but I'm not sure lol.. Have you done a video on sliding effectively?
yeah aping is just playing really aggressively with a shotty out and flying at people instead of swapping between primary and shotty, using the shotty more defensively
I hate playing with people that when they instantly see red on the map they just have to challenge it everytime. "Oh that's the guy with the shotgun on the corner. Let me try to kill him with my sniper or oh that's the sniper hardscope let me challenge where my range isn't optimal"
Thanks for uploading this video. I am trying very hard to improve my PVP skills since destiny is my FPS game and I know there is a lot of ground to cover also a huge room for improvement, that is why these type of video are very useful to know what to do when you are playing against players with more experience and have more fun. Thanks again :)
hey amazing video patty im glad you were able to go into depth on some things other channels don't one question is what is that outro music you used? other than that keep up the good work
Top tier content dude! Really insightful discussion and I learned a lot on aspects like engagement choices, cover, committing, and strategy from pvp god.
This is some really great info/insight to improving pvp play- definitely some new things I will be paying more attention too in the future. Thanks guys!
Additional tip. If a teammate is sighting down a sniper lane, do NOT stand behind them. If you wanna snipe go to another spot. Reason is, if they lose that duel and you are behind them, chances are that you will also be fucked, by the same bullet.
Let us know, would you like to see more videos like this one? Be sure to follow Apathettic's channel! ruclips.net/user/apathettic
I'm 57, just short of 1, kd. Strategy and movement are key. Thanks.
Please make more videos
Yesss. This video was fantastic! I definitely attribute my improvements as a player from watching your videos.
yes!! give us more of this stuff, its gold!
Yes please
Love how this came together. Thanks for having me ❤️
Thanks for sharing your insight and helping the community get better at this game.
Thanks so much for doing this one with me, looks like we'll have to do more of them! 😘
@@PattycakesGaming Bring it brother!
I enjoyed this @apathettic . We appreciate you taking the time to do this
This video is so relevant. Thank you guys!
His accidental death humanize him he seems like a very fun guy to game with
Tl;Dr
-The radar lies, don't trust it
-See red on the radar? Don't rush, stay next to cover.
-You know sliding out of cover, now try sliding back into cover
-"He's weak, push him" is a good way to get yourself killed out of cover.
-switch weapons to assert dominance
-in a 2v1 or 3v1, run and turn that 2v1into a 1v1v1
- when facing a sniper, remember that snipers never flinch, so don't try to flinch them
-if the sniper is close, slide towards them if you can get them into your primary's effective range
-sometimes a sniper just gets a lucky crit before you can even react. Accept it and move on. Everyone gets a lucky shot off every now and then.
Snipers don't flinch? I flinch like crazy
@@stasis760 They're changing how snipe flinch works in Beyond Light, but at the moment flinch tends to pop the sight up to your enemy's head when you're ADS, so if you learn how to game that with certain sticky snipes (rapid-fires, some adaptives i.e. Beloved) you can just nuke whoever engages you. This is what people mean when they say snipes don't get flinched.
@@stasis760 lol bruh ive had autos full on spamming tf outta me like 15m away and domed them. its not wise to try to always flinch a sniper.
the radar is telling the but the radar is kinda bullshit when your in the moment and if that doesn't fuck you over your melee will suddenly your ouy of range even though he's 1 meter up your ass
No Time To Explain will flinch every sniper, no matter how much of a pro that person is.
Im good with my primary and sniper shots but shot gun shots seem to ghost through people a lot. Im pretty sure my guardian is holding the shotgun backwards but i cant find anything in the setting to turn your weapons arounds. so now im trying to master a moonwalking shotgun slide. ill get there. practice makes perfect
just slide and turn around to see your limbs contort
@@bolotniyI tried this but my arms seem turn with me as I turn. its a real pickle I have got myself in too 🤔🤔🤔
This is gold
facts ion understand, i take a shot with my shotgun and the vex freeze my bullets in place
@@QuirkedUpWhiteBoi it's just The Matrix
A lot of this game is confidence based. I’ve been improving a lot by just having the mindset that i am better then the other player and will destroy there hopes and dreams of killing me
damn just notice pattycakes like my comment
lol
@カモメcheegulls *dodges head irl *
Really liked this video, still watching it but I can already see it being a great series for anyone looking to improve.
Apathettic is a great player when it comes to engagement mastery.
Seriously. Definitely wanna thank you for introducing me to Apathetic and his content. Seems like a great guy and he is super knowledgeable on all things pvp related.
So you’re sayin I need to watch Apa more...got it. Thanks!
@@pyr0lyZer absolutely bro. His content is top notch. Super in depth on all things relevant to improving in PvP
Had no idea how generous the ‘close’ segment of the radar actually was until this video. That alone will be a game changer in the Trials of Oshotguns.
Hey P.Cakes it would be super amazing if you could get Apathetic to agree to do another video just like this one but as a RUclips live stream. As I was watching the video there was a couple of times where i wanted to throw a question into the conversation you were having with Apathetic. It would so cool to have like an open class discussion like this with some of the best players in the game, my favorites players at least. It would probably have to be limited amount of people in the stream so ur not getting flooded with to many questions. Idk... I would be excited to be apart of it but as far as the practicality of it, Im not sure im hoping u think its practical lol
I posted that comment right as u guys mentioned doing more vids like it. so im leaning towards live stream crucible class being practical👌😁
This wld be pretty tight.
That would be a cool format! Live streams are harder since we both have different schedules and we recorded this one really late at night, but maybe we can do it sometime
@@PattycakesGaming If any one can do it tho...I think Surely Mac Daddy Patty. P and Epic of the Super Copasetic Apathetic, can get it done...sry..I get carried away with word play sometimes.
I'm a newer player, about 3 months. I dont do pvp much but try every once in a while. Your videos are very informative. Thanks for the hard work.
Glad you like them!
1:46 HAHAHAHA - just after a really long build-up of how good he is, he just kills himself on accident like that. I'm DEAD 💀
More of this please! Maybe talk a bit about identifying good sight lines for your weapon choices and how to navigate around certain maps depending on your weapon choice? Not just simple things like “don’t run down sniper sight lines with a primary or shotgun” but like where in the areas to move to minimize exposing yourself to lines you don’t intend to.
This
The part about how your radar can deceive you is one of those reasons why I find value in Gemini Jester exotic. Apart from its exotic perk, it will also show you tiny, like one, tic of dmg on your screen and more or less reveal you where the other guy is, thus better allow you to execute your next move.
I hate playing against those in iron banner, but I must admit it works
@@haterincorporated21 Yeah, I can imagine. My current fav combo is Gemini + Thorn/Crimson. Either to be able to easily chain Soul Devour or to heal myself and never have to reload. Great with shotgun, that umbral fusion (if u have killing wind on it) or Truthteller with Disruption Break.
@@xxx_swagolas_xxx6590 I think cammy said he might test gemini in the future to see if you can "pepper" with it as well
@@richieh7476 Pepper? What's that mean in context?
@@NightfallGemini It means you deal a small amount of damage to delay enemy regen.
Thx for the video. I was looking for a video like this
Glad you liked it
You're welcome! I worked hard on it!
@@travisbrown6814 NANI
Apathettic was a really good guest and is extremely knowledgeable and has that way to were he can explain very well what he’s trying to say. Great job.
Thank you guys. I learned a lot from this video. I’ve been playing destiny since you’re one day one. Sometimes I have good days in the crucible or sometime I just suck LOL. But now I am understanding my mistakes. So thank you for taking the time out to make this video.
Everybody gangsta 'till xxNoAimxx goes full auto with his blue sniper
Idk if you remember me but you hearted my comment on your sniper vid where I said I was going to use it to improve my sniping, I did practice and I think I’ve gotten decent at sniping. I beat my friend Marcus in a 1v1 yesterday and he’s the 2nd best player I know. However, I’m still finding it extremely challenging to combat the felwinters lie, Antaeus wards, aping Titans in games like rumble and I feel like this video helped me with that. I really appreciate all your doing for newer players and I love your videos!
Wow that's awesome! Keep up the practice
It’s funny to realize how much of these things i can relate to doing even though i play sweats on a daily basis. Thanks for the usefull info!
I think the one thing that helps me up my k/D the most is this: You, for the most part, choose who, where, and when you fight. Keep that in mind. If you have a feeling you won't win the engagement, it's totally fine to turn tail and run instead of getting lit up by 3 guys that you thought were one on the radar. Sure you might lose a zone, but catching up with your team and taking one of theirs or team shooting the enemy could make or break a match. You choose your engagements. Not the other way around. Avoid sniper lanes, play with a sniper for a while to realize where those might be for future reference if need be. If someone is sitting around a corner, and you think sprinting around the corner to shotgun them is the optimal play, trust me, he's gonna kill you and the guy behind you. Just back up and change your angle. You'll get a kill. Once this falls into place, you're a lot more likely to win engagements cause you'll understand the flow of the map and your enemies better, and you can catch them by surprise most times. Had a game the other day where I put on not forgotten and bite of the fox with one eyed mask. Got 25 kills and a 6.25 k/D. And I loved every second of it. Instead of getting tilted at every death I was happy cause that meant I got more special for my sniper. Avoiding tilt is also very important. But that comes with time.
1:50 We’ve all been there on top tree Dawn...lol
oh man I'm going to start practicing these techniques ... i've never considered taking pvp serious until a few weeks ago...and that's been since Halo!...just didn't understand the methods to have a decent KTD...and I am improving but i still die to fast too often! thanks for posting this!!! and thank you Apathettic
OMG, FINALLY!!! A good video with great, easy to understand tips with intuitive explainations. I followed the advice in this video the best I could, and dropped 35 kills my first game. After that, my k/d in the next few games was never below 2.5 and it felt much better than going ape all the time 😅 no more running around with my shotty out for me.
Something that helps me is, I never 100% commit to something, Ill go in at like 80%, with the other 20% ready to back up.
I want to congratulate you, you’re the first youtube gamer whose intro did not bore me. I actually was enthralled the whole intro, good luck on your future in youtube.
These guys might not be quite as well known as some of the other creators out there like Hush or Cammy but this is seriously some quality content. Keep up the great work!
Wow, thanks!
0:00-intro
0:54-Mistakes(minimizing and taking advantage.)
2:03-Radar reading
-shotgun ape
5:40- Negotiating from a position of strength.
*how to raise your KD
Me: Don’t die 😏
this isn't just for destiny, this is pretty much for all FPS games. thanks alot for sharing this!
I like how you factor in the latency/peekers advantage/lag/netcode in your explanations and decision making. I notice a lot of people are dismissive of its significance. I know its not consistent or easy to account for, but you always have to be mindful of it.
Apa is ALWAYS killin it, the amount of information I've learned from his is astronomical. A big mistake I see a lot of my friends making, is not knowing the range of their weapons. Knowing when you can get that perfect map for a shotty or how much damage drop off affects your guns is absolutely important in engagements.
great video for a guy trying to get better the thought processes going on in high level players is whats starting to stick, great work
The biggest tip I have ever given people is to just look at the big picture. Too many people focus so much on their 1v1 that they forget what's happening around them. 1v1s should start coming naturally (to an extent) as you play more, which allows you to think where, when, and what is happening arround you. If you're having a bad day and you start complaining about your aim, you are no longer thinking, 'what are my teamtes doing,' 'where are the enemies spawning,' 'what is the enemy going to do in this situation,' you're just thinking about trying to hit your shots. Also, when it comes to what gun you should have out, apa touched on that perfectly! I'd say that a lot of it comes down to reading your opponent, but in a situation where you just don't know, its better to slide out with your shotty (since an enemy up close is much more of a danger than one far away), and slide back to cover if need be. One of the hardest scenarios is when, lets say, your enemy runs back into blue spawn like apa showed off, and you want to push the enemy before he kills your teamate, but you don't want to play it stupidly. Worst case scenario that happens often, is that I'll turn the corner wide in case they are baiting it with a shotgun, but they're actually straight lining my teamate. I just wasted a lot of time trying to be safe, and it ended up costing my teamates life. Circling back to that big picture idea, when you really stop and think, there is no win it that situation. The enemy is just stalling for his teamtes and trying to get a pick. You can either push him together and possiby risk a trade, or swiftly take the 3v2 in the enemies opposite spawn. By looking at the big picture, you'll contribute to your team much more and lower your chance of dying in an unexpected way.
Person with beloved: well yes but actually no
@@victorsalas2742 I did forget to mention, if you have a sniper, everything I said doesn't apply to you. If you just ads and let the flinch aim your rifle towards the enemies face, you'll be fine! 😂
Nice work. I particularly appreciated the extra effort editing from both angles. Extra work, but I'd continue doing that were possible. Looking forward to the next.
Thanks! I thought it was worth it :)
Not sure if you saw yet, but I put out another episode of this style of video featuring my friend Gleauxx 2 days ago
You guys did a really good job! This is a super helpful video and I think a lot of people would appreciate more like this. I know I'd watch them all for sure.
How did you upload this video 6 minutes ago but, there are two comments that were posted 7 hours ago. What?!
Channel members get early access to videos
I uploaded it last night but scheduled for this morning to publish. But with the way YT playlists work, you can see videos that aren't even published yet. It's a weird quirk of the system
This video helped a lot, I went from sometimes getting 5 kill streaks to consistently getting them and even often getting 10 kill streaks. Still working on that we ran but it will come
Good tips overall especially on the radar and anti sniper tips. I also feel what you guys said is true about the difficulty of shotgun/snipe in low vs high skills.
The quality of the info in this video is amazing. I'm a pretty good pvp player but man I learned a lot watching this. Thank you sir. Best regards from Chile 🇨🇱
Glad you enjoyed!
Very helpful video, not just for noobs, I'm a vet myself but still helped. Deep analysis of specific maps let's say for trials and how you guys would play that specific map etc. Some decent vet players like me don't really have a team so I'm my case I lack the trials experience. Great vid guys.
Really nice video. The conversation about engagement was exactly what I've been thinking on lately, and you guys just jumpstarted a couple of hurdles I've been pondering. Thanks for putting it together!
I think this conversation style of video is more helpful than giving hard and fast rules.
Awesome video 👍🏼 as a fellow guardian who plays mainly pvp you guys brought up a lot of good points. the point that I think was the best was from 24:22- 25:12. I sometimes play with randoms and occasionally I’ll play with some players who tend to overthink what happens and they do get a little bit in their head and it can throw them off.
Talking about positioning and 1v1v1 reminds me of the D1 and Universal Remote days. These are great tips.
Hey man played against you guys yesterday in trials, ggs and thanks for all of the tips. I’ve implemented them into my gameplay and have significantly improved my gun skill and game sense with it. Hope you have a great day and thanks for continuing to put out content man!
Thanks!
Really loving the videos keep it up
Glad you like them!
too bad all of this doesnt matter because auto rifles go BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Cant wait until it's getting nerfed
@@EYBeats keep waiting then lol because they didn’t really do much
@@xx_wolverine_8092 eh 0.7-0.8 is a pretty big nerf, Id say it's not enough though tbh
Goddammit I died when you said keeping that in when he fell 🤣
Great discussion. Please think about doing more of these, I like the singular/solo content, but these types of discussions are a great way to showcase the mindset of good players. Thanks for the great work, keep trucking.
More to come! This one was a test and it seems to be well received so I'd like to do a bunch of them with other talented players
My biggest problems have always been a lack of situational awareness (WHERE ARE THEY!!! WHERE DID MY TEAM GO!!! WHERE DID HE COME FROM!!!) and when someone gets really close and/or jumps/Blinks over me I blank/choke and get killed. The problem is I have no idea what to do about it. At best I think I'm slightly above average when I get into the zone but if I can stop aimlessly wandering around I might enjoy PvP more.
Great video man. I saw the one video to adjust my dpi and ads and I’ve gotten better thanks too you.
Have to comment that I liked the cut back & forth between point of views as you guys were talking -- really cool!
Thanks! Tried to make it a bit more interesting haha
@@PattycakesGaming definitely was, felt sort of like a first person conversation when it changed haha😄
Apathetic sounds like he could be a teacher, or a own a podcast, his voice is so polished and smart
Love the teaching style of your videos. It makes it feel like a class and I actually really improve listening to your advice and by watching your videos. Thank you so much for being such a chill guy that just wants to help the community.
Awesome! Glad you like them
All right Mr. Cakes. Hear me and hear me well sir. The only Cakes I knew about in this game was Ikora, I mean Cammy. Now I know of a Patty. I am happy. 🤓
This is actually a crazy imformative video. Apathettic is a really good player so its cool to get his insights. I realy think you shiuld try this exact same format with some other high skill PvP players. Between you and your guests, you can inform and teach your viewers quite a lot. Good work dudes!
Glad you enjoyed!
I looked at the thumbnail of the video without noticing the image and I read the title as "do this to raise your kid ratio" lol
I as a blink master can input some advice that may help.. if you think you can blink shotty 🦧 and think you can kill that pro player the answer is only if your a cracked shot with chaperone lol otherwise they will predict you and kill you before you blink and when you come out of your blink.. it’s best to use it to be evasive not aggressive though it can work against unaware enemies but that’s it.. I can wipe a whole team blink devour shotty but only if I catch them off guard.. mainly lesser skilled teams.. but in comp it’s a definite no so it’s best to be patient unless your using jotunn lmao
Great video. What would be cool is getting you guys playing back previous games and commentating plays.
Oooh I like that idea! That could be really cool
Wicked awesome video! Would love to see more like this from you. Perhaps with insights from other players you play PVP or PVE with as well. Really enjoyed learning from this one. Keep up the great work!
Thanks! I plan to do a lot more of them
Awesome video. Apathetic is amazing. Been using all the tips in his videos to help improve. Gone from a .7kd to a 1.1kd so I'm slowly improving. Been a very frustrating climb. I have a lot of the knowledge of WHAT I need to do, it's just been a struggle putting this stuff into action. I've got a huge appreciation(don't think that's the right word lol)for guys like Apathetic and yourself because of the huge amount of time you put into practicing.
it eventually all clicks bro, just keep playing and practicing. if you're committed to getting better you'll improve
Keep it up!
I've been trying my best. I usually spend the first month or so of a season grinding PvE then the rest of the season I live in crucible. An with this delay I've had ALOT of extra time to try and improve.
He was on about the show suits lmao
Yes. More videos like this would enhance my PvP game. It already has! Thanks you guys are awesome!
This is very useful information, i learned a lot. This has been the thing that has been holding me back and this will give me more things to practice, thanks pattycakes!
Great vid, awesome listening to you both, apa is great to listen to
Loved this vid! somehow felt different... than the most out there. Sharing wisdom feels generous. Also put things in perspective about toxic pvp gods who never helps just call you trash even if you’re a fit. Not all good players are dheadz. Keep these coming!
Have another one coming out tomorrow 👀
Your 5 teammates that simultaneously died to a blueberry titan with a traveller's chosen (broken), while luring the entire enemy team to your back:
"allow us to introduce ourselves"
We love Dr. Apa
Brilliant video, would love a detailed series like this, half way through I thought about movement against high level snipers, very glad when you started about that.
Yeah I'll definitely be doing more of these
Great content! Wish it was longer and with gameplay with maybe a voice over if exactly what he’s seeing/thinking/planning/motives behind all of that and what he chooses to do while we have real 3v3 sweats situations to watch etc. Just my opinion but I absolutely love your analytical skills/content 💜🔥💯
Very helpful! Thanks for creating this.
Annoying that I only just found your channel. Love it ❤️🔥
Maybe do pros/cons/ advance techniques on individual weapons archetypes?
Great video Patty! You and Apathetic are some of my favorite D2 players to watch. Nice insight into how to approach engagements with higher skilled players.
Awesome! Thank you!
Thanks for this. Extremely helpful. More discussions in a similar vein would be appreciated.
You got it!
I needed this video more than anything, I play on console and my snipes hit like 80% of the time, my primary game is pretty good with anything but pulse rifles. My positioning tho and game awareness is pretty bad so this helped wayyyyy more than other videos. Thank you 🙏
Hey guys, great vid! I’d definitely watch more videos like this. One ? I have is when to cast a super, a lot of times I cast mine and it goes to waste, thanks!
This is great guys, thanks for the tips. Now I just need better hands eyes and decision making abilities
This was such a good watch. Please do more videos like this.
Great video guys. Especially the part of how to play against good snipers was very valuable for me.
Keep it up 👍.
Thanks!
Really enjoyed it. Great job!
This is such an amazing video. So much helpful info presented so well and concretely.
Thus was really cool. Can you try to explain any terms you throw out in other vids? I think 'aping' is sliding out to get someone but I'm not sure lol.. Have you done a video on sliding effectively?
yeah aping is just playing really aggressively with a shotty out and flying at people instead of swapping between primary and shotty, using the shotty more defensively
I had no idea you could change the radar color. That yellow pops more. Changing this next time I get on.
I hate playing with people that when they instantly see red on the map they just have to challenge it everytime. "Oh that's the guy with the shotgun on the corner. Let me try to kill him with my sniper or oh that's the sniper hardscope let me challenge where my range isn't optimal"
Thanks for uploading this video. I am trying very hard to improve my PVP skills since destiny is my FPS game and I know there is a lot of ground to cover also a huge room for improvement, that is why these type of video are very useful to know what to do when you are playing against players with more experience and have more fun. Thanks again :)
Glad I could help!
I got my KD going from 1.2 seasonal to consistently hitting 2 great vid
hey amazing video patty im glad you were able to go into depth on some things other channels don't one question is what is that outro music you used? other than that keep up the good work
It's from Harris Heller's StreamBeats - The Colour of Happiness I think is the name of the track
Excellent video. Never thought about that on radar before.
Top tier content dude! Really insightful discussion and I learned a lot on aspects like engagement choices, cover, committing, and strategy from pvp god.
Glad you enjoyed it!
This is some really great info/insight to improving pvp play- definitely some new things I will be paying more attention too in the future. Thanks guys!
Glad it was helpful!
Great video..... hope you guys do some more of these.
More to come!
Additional tip. If a teammate is sighting down a sniper lane, do NOT stand behind them. If you wanna snipe go to another spot. Reason is, if they lose that duel and you are behind them, chances are that you will also be fucked, by the same bullet.
Thanks PattyCakes, and thanks to Apathetic (liked his channel too!) :) The kind of videos are very useful.
Great vid guys, very informative! 👍🏼
Great video, loads of information to digest.👍
pvp is 80% confidence and right weapon usage at the right time.
Love your videos paddycakes, keep up the amazing work!
This is so informative! would love to see more, maybe with other good PVP players
keep up the good work bro :P