Can I please understand why people who are touching the highest levels become really cancer. Specifically with lower level players. What is you viewpoint on T bagging.
@@dwaynebrice1697 expecting a rosy and kumbaya time in PvP game modes is futile. People who teabag are stupid dickheads, people who get offended by it even more so. It's such a minor thing and it's done to antagonise people. Look in the mirror and ask yourself why you're so triggered by it.
@@AscendantNomad I get triggered by it because it always happens when it has nothing to do with me. Teammates leave or they are AFK, I get tea bagged. Teammates suck and tea bag I play my hardest and three titans teabag. Usually I get screwed hate mail afterwords like "all fucking day" "did you like that daddy?" And it's like bro the game is over why are you bothering me
@@AscendantNomad the thing that made me actually like care and get mad was today I watched a pro player bully some kids and then bag afterwards like they had done some tremendous feat. I just want to understand maybe I'm missing out or I'm a stupid dickhead
You nailed this one! Excellent points throughout the whole video. You explained the benefits of good movement so perfectly, this one is going to help a lot of people! So much fun playing with both of you, hope we can do it again sometime soon 😘
but if you're teleporting, then you're not breaking the sound barrier, because you're not moving, only changing location :P now that i've won the internet- BREAKFAST.
Hingle McCringleberry to bad their all under fire for DDosing an swamping nudes an stuff an like sonic an luminosity are both banned I think or kicked from their clans etc
@@simowilliams6990 Lumi, Sonic and Nferraiu are kicked from G1 (pretty sure) and Panduh is sus because he sent an IP address but (we're assuming) as a joke
@@dr.doritos9875 I don't understand why you tagged me, because what you said has nothing to do with what I said. Well done, internet! And now- BREAKFAST.
I use a 3-second rule. Never be in my scope or peek the same angle longer than 3 seconds. By contrast, if I'm taking fire I hide and count to 3 before I make my counter attack or rotation. This gives my recovery a second to start healing
I honestly catch myself 2nd guessing alot and never considered the second rule here even tho on CoD i implement a second rule while on multi...smh...im burying myself with the lack of it in destiny 2 😂
Let me tell you a story. The other day I was playing in crucible. I found this guy, He was sniping me every 10 seconds. Headshot, Headshot, headshot. I don’t usually think “here’s a cheater”, there are a lot of good players and before to report someone you must be 100% sure that he is a cheater. I was suspicious by the way. Suspicious but not certain, mostly because when is a cheater you know it, the reaction time is too fast for an human being. This was different. The reaction was fast but human, He was waiting for my head to be in the right spot. He was always bringing the fight to me. So at the end of the match this guy had 40 kills, i had only 9 (most of the time I’m around 25, nothing great but i’m average good, and I have my flawless in trials). All the other members of my team were around 9 kills, and in his team there was him, and then all his teammates were around 10 kills. I went to check this guy on destiny trials report and destiny tracker. 90% accuracy sniping in trials, a lot of flawless, and all the stats were incredible but human. “This guy is not a cheater, is just incredible” that’s what I thought. Then I went on RUclips thinking a guy like this must have a channel, but nothing. I know a lot of pro players change their name in game. This was the case. At the end I found out this player was cammy, and man, I’d love to pay to see that match from his point of view, and see how predictable was my movement for him. I have a lot to learn to became a better player, and that match teached me a lot. Thank you for this video, is the best motivational and inspiring video on destiny that I’ve ever seen. Sorry for the mistakes, english is not my first language.
Great story! You are already a better player for being humble, understanding you can improve, staying calm when getting beat and being willing to listen/learn. 👊🏿💯
9:37 I think its good to keep in mind that being too confident in your movement is never a good thing. Yesterday I matched a guy with "good movement". He kept getting us in gunfights that were weird and unpredictable, forcing us to shotgun or primary, however, he never killed us. Not once. He just kept confusing us and then would die. He tried jump sniping way too much, and when he switched to a shotgun he kept dodging and sliding, but he never played cover, so it was easy to figure out how to kill him. That doesn't take away from the fact that being confident in your movement is a good thing, but you gotta make sure to be confident and competent.
If I'd been playing Destiny lately I'd think it might have been me lol! I move fairly well on hunter (I think...) but I'm terrible at playing cover. Tunnel vision and thoughtlessness are my biggest enemies.
I can't tell you how many times I go to slide into a corner for a peek and slide in to simultaneously put down a rift, but slide too far and get merk'd putting down a rift in the middle of a lane! lol and why does the rift animation have to take a whole 1.4 secs to finish!
A move that I’ve found rly effective with hunter is running up to someone meleeing them then jumping/dodging back while shooting its like a 90% chance of winning a 1v1 cause the enemy freaks out since your so close and expects you to be in front of them not in the air
As a hunter main, I'll do you a better one, you can actually curve your Dodge roll, Melee a big Titan, then actually side rolled kinda behind the dude he was freaking out and confused and I just stabbed him in the side of the head for the final kill 😂😂
if you have the time to approach him in close combat and he doesnt have a shotgun then i guess his a bad player, its all about possitioning for whatever weapons your using, if you pushed me 1v1 id back away and get into a firing line i know ill have the advantage cause ive already inspected you and know what weapon arc your using.
This video popped into my recommended feed and seemed interesting and i have to say i just discovered this channel and 11/10 would recommend the channel will be watching every future vid if i can
Yes- I would very much like to see more videos expounding upon movement. On console, FOV and general movement isn't as fluid and dynamic as PC options. Exotics like transversive steps, stompees or dunemarchers are almost a requirement to try and get a movement advantage. I would very much like to see more examples (and possibly the dynamic thought process behind them) of good movement, versus poor movement, as sometimes I've attempted to dictate the terms of a fight and gotten squashed due to someone out-maneuvering me. Thanks for the great video, Nomad. Ace quality as usual.
Hey Nomad, I went through (honestly) several spiritual experiences this past week. I wasted a lot of time in Destiny. I sought my own ego instead of synergizing with my team. I am day one D1 player. After my experiences I felt that there must be something to gain by all that I've wasted. I looked on RUclips and this was the first video to pop up. It helped me realign my life to The Light... thank you for doing what you do. God bless you for ever and ever.
That 2 second rule is an interesting take on movement. They use the same thing in driving called the smith system and its appropriately to keep you from falling asleep. Aka: not going flawless :p
I've actually gathered a lot from just watching great players like Cammycakes. His commentary gameplay has made me a better player more than anything. Especially on that two second rule. I always remember him saying "I can't get tunnel vision." When he's checking a lane. Keeping radar up, checking all your angles, moving around frequently, stuff like that leads to more efficiency than anything.
Solid video! My favourite part was the Hips Don't Lie segment you included towards the end where you cover and conclude the main talking points. You sir, contented.
The thing about your videos - they ALWAYS apply. Always. I’m watching this on a random (non trials) Saturday. And yet - brilliant bit of advice reminding about the fundamentals. Forever and always, keeping me honest and conscious of the fundamentals.
Your initial analogy between ayong a warlock vs a hunter just made a whole lot of sense to me! Recently I have moved to top tree dawnblade Warlock. I love the neutral game: air movement available, the air engagements catching enemies by surprise at times, and celestial fire. However, when I jump back to voidlock(any) I feel more comfortable. Since vanilla D1 I have used blink 99% of the time and it is what I am comfortable with in game and movement is second nature with it and I don't have to think (nor do I hit as many walls or get caught with my pants down slowly gliding in the air).
Great video man. Very on point. I can easily tell in a match how vulnerable a player is by their movement without even having engaged them yet. Also adding this to my ASMR playlist.
What I really liked about Trials was that it essentially challenged everything that I was in Crucible. Of course it improved my gun skill and target acquisition etc etc. But the real treasure was that it made me rethink how I moved, processed information, played around my teammates, figure out how to counter pick or push engagements in my favour. Sadly, haven’t gone flawless yet, but the weekend where my friends and I had our best run (6/7) we could tell there was more confidence in our abilities, call outs, and collapses and this video essentially explained what we felt. Thank you for this!🙏
This is how I am with Warlock. I know everything there is about how to move with it, but when it comes to other subclasses, I get lost or doubt myself very easily. Love your video!
Cammy has always been my go-to Destiny PvP content creator and his playstyle just became normal to me. But this video gave me a whole new perspective on just how advanced his gameplay is when you refer to how you couldn’t even keep up with him in your first time playing with him. He recommended your channel on his video of the Rusted Lands card and this video was fantastically interesting. You’ve gained my subscription :)
Thank you so much. Im a really good player (d1 beta vet) but i can never figure out why some people are so much better than me and I play crucible religiously.
This is amazing content! Clean editing, methodical reasoning, and high quality dialogue. I found your channel thanks to the Cam video, and it’s amazing! :)
It’s good to watch this. I’ve been slowly learning why I’m so much better on a hunter than with any other class. It’s cause I KNOW the movement like the back of my hand. I would love to see the two second rule video. This was very helpful.
100% interested. Been working on my general movement for a little while now in a very real "have to constantly think about it" sort of way. I would guess a '2 second rule' video would be exactly what I need to hear to reinforce the things I'm currently working on. Cheers man, great vid!
I would also like to add that, as a d1 player, vertical gameplay in d2 was a FANTASTIC CHANGE. I play titan, but I played hunter in d1, and the vertical gameplay was lackluster AT BEST, and now that d2 has transitioned as it has, it makes gameplay and strats MUCH more variable. Most players don't use verticality to their advantage, and if you don't you should, you'll feel much more confident in your ability to react, adjust, and counter most strats. TL;DR ( Use verticality to your advantage)
I watched Cammy's PoV video when it came up, so it's awesome to hear your perspective on the Rusted Lands card and gointo detail about movement and teamwork.
One of, if the best Destiny pvp videos I have ever seen. Well done. And yes, please make the 2-second video if you have the time. Thanks. Keep up the great work.
A video on the 2 second rule would be extremely helpful. I feel like I’ve hit a plateau as a player so anything that may potentially help with that would be great!
Thank you,this is a really helpful video! I appreciate the whole self check with zero ego,its rare. Please do more videos like this,very much appreciated 🙏🙏🙏 Respect👍
I would love to be able to see some of the gameplay from your losses on cauldron. Perhaps from multiple perspectives as well, like the videos you've linked from the cakes' above. Sometimes an analysis of the losses and a breakdown of mistakes is more valuable than the flawless highlight reel.
i got my NF like three weeks ago after i instinctively form that "two second rule". though its more like "peek and go" for me and thats real. nice video
Great channel! I’m playing cod ww2 and am noticing bad habits of mine, like moving mindlessly while shooting and accident my exposing my self to other angles
Wow! What a great and refreshing video. I think you are bang on re- information. I think that on that vein “unpredictability” causes your opponents to in turn “gather more information” which goes back to you very outstanding “information gap” premise... being more mobile causes you opponents to have a skill of “accurately acquiring information on the opposing team and using it to their advantage”. If you are camping (opposite extreme...the team can understand you position and that information doesnt change....they are still going to be therr a minute later...as you point out there are split second decisions to be made when you are highly mobile- because your position/angle for the attack is changing at a high rate...which causes the opponents to have a high skill in aim/trigger pull timing...unless you run thru a hardscoped lane...so being able to be mobile on the map forces your opponents to play that game and that is what causes the skill gap imo...if everyone got a taste of how to play like this- like you did the first week - you’d eventually see a higher % of ppl playing at this level because as you say at the levels most of us normally play- we can “win” without maxing out our abilities...anyway- ty because I never considered movement related to information gathering. That idea is worth a series of videos...
This. I had a same feeling when I was playing with Onyx&Potatoe. After that I started to go a bit aggresive but with advanced thinking. Great vids pointing out crucial points.
Really enjoyed this video. They are very helpful and informative. I laughed so hard when you were breaking down similarities between Cammy and Pattycakes. I agree that movement is just something that sets the True skill level apart from all players. I would like to see that follow up about repositioning as well. Keep up the great work.
7:35 was just spot on. I was playing last week with my friends, we've never been (and probably won't go) flawless, and didn't get to 3 wins on Javelin-4. After the first couple of games I wanted to quit and never come back to trials, just because I recognised my placement and movement in comparison to the enemy didn't even come close. I just struggle to keep up, and I think my friends do as well. Usually though these are diamond players we're facing, despite us being at silver rankings, so that's often something I need to bear in mind.
All these weekend i did get some 3 and 5 wins in trials, but never cared too much about it, last three weekends i did only the first with to get the piece of lore and that's it. When bungie will make decent loot for trials, we will have many more players and that is the time to try go flawless, not matching up only with cheaters recovering accounts or super god tier pvp players.
Every week I try to go in with friends at my skill level and we find it challenging, fun, and rewarding (improvement) to go in and fight for 3 wins. If I'm lucky a couple of my friends who are way better will help me to a flawless. The main point is, you should go in and if you are at a point where getting one win is a challenge then face that challenge until 1 win is easier and your challenge is 2 wins, then 3... I'm getting more confident in my ability to get 3 wins and can see in the near future I will be shooting for 5 because I AM improving!
@@bedroombully815 if anything I feel like the challenge is getting worse week by week. Last week we got to about 3 wins but with 3 losses (reset card, no 3 win reward) in between, and couldnt get it by tuesday reset. Week before that we had 4 wins, one loss. This week... 9 losses in a row. As much as I want to improve, getting sniper farmed or continuously going against godly pvp players (streamers, even sometimes cheaters), isnt exactly the best way to do so, and that's all I've experienced.
@@MrBopee true. Another consideration is when you play. Sorry of like anticipating enemy movement within a map. We all know token farming is an issue and trying to do it on Monday is harder than say Saturday night.
Excellent video. I agree I'd love to see more on the 2-second rule. Also - I know this is a lot more work to make a video like this - but for me the most helpful crucible advice videos include examples of engagements that the host commentates, even breaks down into slow motion and explains their decisions. The examples help drive it home. I absolutely think that movement is much more of a gap for me than gunskill (though I have lots of room to grow in both) and I'm very interested in improving.
Cammy is on a different level. The man can read people's fortunes and tell them when they are going to eat for breakfast. The stuff he does is on its own level of unpredictable. And that unpredictability, his unconventional playstyle with out of the norm loadouts makes him better. Because like I tell people, the more you play against an opponent, the easier they are to beat. This season is such an easy season of trials, cheaters and beavers aside. Mostly due to the cookie cutter loadouts that always play out predictably. If you are having a hard time in trials, ask yourself, "Is the loadout I'm using so basic that there is practically a manual that explains my limited options with this loadout?". If the answer is yes, you might need to try and find something you are better with and out of the usual meta. Because then all of a sudden, people are scrambling to figure out how to play against it. Sometimes your own demise 8s the predictability and limits of a loadout you use.
Every video you make is helpful to me.. I’m the same I’m decent but I’m team engagements I’m often late. Sometimes I go strait savage. Sometimes I get shit on. Movement is something I’m always trying to improve on as well as angles and protecting teammates. Thanks Nomad
I've played with a lot of streamers through raffles/redemptions and the common issue I've seen with my gameplay is I have no idea where to position myself to best assist them or to counter the enemy, so I would love to see a video on movement and positioning. I've asked the streamers a lot of questions, but they all seem to reply with the same answer of watch what we're doing and not be able to explain it. The issue of watching someone of a higher tier than me is that I have no idea of the subtle movements or decisions they are making to get the result they desire and as a result all it looks like to me is they found a position the enemy wasn't looking and got their kill OR they had superior targetting and won their 1v1.
This pal, this has given me a ton to think about THANK YOU I've been using the 1 second rule this week and my game is night and day... more fun to watch back too!
After I saw this video 2 days ago, I started to implement that 2 second rule in regular Crucible and Iron Banner. After I got used to it a bit, I tried it on survival. It's like night and day for me. I started to get better on survival, I got more kills, and most importantly, I became consistently aware of everything around me. That 2 second rule singlehandedly change the way I play Crucible, although my KDA is still very low at this point. Thank you for making this video, I realized that movement is key in Destiny, both in PvP and in PvE
It’s a weird exploit you can do where you sorta skip the ads animation by sprinting. I’m not entirely sure how it works. MP Edits vid with him doing it explains it, pretty sure it’s his vid on thorn
I laughed a lot in this video. Not because your fantastic comidic intuition, but because of just how relaitable this is. Playing with superior players and always feeling a step behind. Or more often, plating AGAINST players that somehow know what I am going to do BEFORE I do, and pre-position themselves to counter it (for example cammy's callout "this guys going to panic pop"...) Good stuff here. I think I have gotten better at aiming, and thats helpful, but my biggest gains in crucible have been in movement and positioning. I'm still not great, but positioning can outshine raw aiming skill in many situations. Been submitting gameplay for review on your discord, and its helped immensly.
Halfway through the video, my takeaway was be a hunter from day one and have the cake brothers on your team. Definitely need more info Great video, great gameplay Looking forward for more.
This makes a lot of sense. Ive played this game for along time and a lot of my friends play mostly PVE. When they do play PVP with me tho this is the thing they struggle with the most. Great video as always.
As an average to above average, depending on the lobby and how I'm feeling, player in PVP I find videos like these so helpful since I get lost when I play high;y skilled players. It allows me to see a glimpse into the craft that is the dance you referred to and it lets me formulate a plant o practice and get better! Thanks! I'd love to see more videos like this that go in depth so I can one day help myself and others to the Lighthouse.
This was a great video; love the 2 second rule. I often stay in the same place, and if I get kills stay there thinking they'll come back. I'm not the best, maybe not even average, but videos and tips like this I'm sure will help. Now to get my aim on point lol. Great video, earned my sub. Thanks
Cammy has been my top favorite player for a long time. He does live commentaries of his games and it’s taught me a lot about positioning and movement. The man is a crucible god
I'm extremely curious how using a Wish Ender might affect this playstyle? If a good chunk of movement is about information and controlling engagements, and if the seconds rule is about target acquisition, what changes when you suddenly have the ability to *get* all of these things, but only in a small controlled cone in front of you while aiming (and assuredly not moving, at least not very fast). I've been using a Wish Ender in Comp and seeing amazing success with it by remaining fairly static with my movement, but instead rapidly scanning my surroundings with the bow to see where my enemies are going. I can see not just their positions, but their models. Meaning I can see the direction they are facing, what animations are playing (and thus when they switch weapons or whether they're holding a shotgun or a sniper), and I can see when they jump, use abilities, etc. Coupled with the Wish Ender's incredibly high headshot damage, a pair of two coordinated guardians could effectively and easily hold almost any position. 3 Guardians? Nigh untouchable assuming their communication is on point and coordinated with the information a Wish Ender can gain. But I wonder, is the information gained by using the Wish Ender enough to offset said information's cost in terms of movement? Just how much can you mitigate that cost and still retain effectiveness with the weapon (since rapidly ADSing doesnt work, as the effect only activates on a full draw)?
sidezz is one of Cammys teammates and he’s the best for me low key. The guy is just talented at game mechanics in general but he’s incredible at timing his pushes, bursting his damage at the right distances, and finishing kills. People love panduh for good reason, his snipes are crispy af and he’s accessible. For me though watching sidezz is watching the best. I’d go and watch cammy stream trials and most of the rounds would be sidezz charging in, getting a double kill in the first engagement of the round, then they’d collapse on the third.
Brother, I clicked on your channel b/c I saw Pattycakes’ logo, and your channel is awesome. Intro music is awesome, well-enunciated and well-written commentary. Subbed.
This is such good advice. I personally struggle with movement. I have a high kd and I'm good at controlling what engagements I get into, but I tend to have a low kill count because I have a limited number of places I like to fight. I'd love to see some videos where you break down how to effectively move from a map. Like start at a spawn and if you don't see anyone, where do you go next? What cover do you use, etc... Also, what I'm gathering is that if I put "cakes" somewhere in my name I'll have more success :) jk - cheers!
Dunno how many bloody times I've been looking down my line of fire with no targets, decide to move, only to be gunned down by a guy that came into my firing line just as I looked away, right where I was expecting him to be 4 seconds earlier. Gets me
Wow 👏 the fact that they process all of these variables at once is really scary. I will definitely watch this video several times because its so informative. Thanks for the information provided.
I've been doing some of these, but never consciously or all at the same time. I had never contextualized why I liked playing high mobility hunter more than anything else with anything other than habit, comfort and feeling.
My biggest problem is anxiety since the Luna's grind I struggle to enjoy pvp anymore? Really bugs me because I'd love to play at the lvl of Cammy instead of being a nervous wreck!
I 100% agree with you and can speak to the benefits of movement with purpose. I am no where close to a high level comp player, but I did spend A LOT of time grinding momentum control this week. Movement was essential for me to get exactly where I needed to be to flank positions, take control points or to harass the enemy. I also found far more use for guns like Mida (multi and mini) over the harder hitting Jade Rabbit. Yeah I did less damage per shot, but if I needed to close distance or change trajectories it was so simple. The games where we handedly won, I was all over the map, with confidence, the games were we lost heavily I camped more or tried unfamiliar weapon comps. Definite thumbs up from me!
Pure honesty. Most self conscious players generate a god complex when playing with lack luster players. The fact your aware of what's going on and willing to do more is what your average player will shut down. No one wants to feel like a cryptark. We rather 1v3 for glory vs 3v3 for team synergy and losses.
Finally someone with an Ultrawide Monitor. Big ❤️ to everyone using such a thing. Btw. your Videos are excellent, I never enjoyed learning and playing in the crucible more ❤️
Wow. This has been an incredibly helpful video I've studied the greats but I've felt I've reached a plateau with my loadout. The weapons I'm good with, the armor I've honed, the subclasses I use. I want to exceed my limits and go beyond but I feel restricted. I'm aware that movement, communication, and positioning are incredibly essential. Could you go more in depth with all of this? Thank you
Ill run just about anything besides pvp most days...mostly because i feel like im behind concerning the learning curve...ive watched hsndfuls of pvp guides,tips,tricks,and just learning through experience...i legit find this vid to help more than any. Inspired to start grinding away at pvp again with this breakdown👍👍keep up the good posts
Did you know that every 60 seconds, a minute passes in Trials?
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Can I please understand why people who are touching the highest levels become really cancer. Specifically with lower level players. What is you viewpoint on T bagging.
@@dwaynebrice1697 expecting a rosy and kumbaya time in PvP game modes is futile. People who teabag are stupid dickheads, people who get offended by it even more so. It's such a minor thing and it's done to antagonise people. Look in the mirror and ask yourself why you're so triggered by it.
@@AscendantNomad I get triggered by it because it always happens when it has nothing to do with me. Teammates leave or they are AFK, I get tea bagged. Teammates suck and tea bag I play my hardest and three titans teabag. Usually I get screwed hate mail afterwords like "all fucking day" "did you like that daddy?" And it's like bro the game is over why are you bothering me
@@AscendantNomad the thing that made me actually like care and get mad was today I watched a pro player bully some kids and then bag afterwards like they had done some tremendous feat. I just want to understand maybe I'm missing out or I'm a stupid dickhead
@@dwaynebrice1697 they do it to get a reaction out of people. That's it. No huge mystery here.
You nailed this one! Excellent points throughout the whole video. You explained the benefits of good movement so perfectly, this one is going to help a lot of people! So much fun playing with both of you, hope we can do it again sometime soon 😘
Ive eatched more than my share oc guides vids but this one legit made the most sense to me....awesome breakdown!👍👍
I am actually going to make a copy of this video to keep in my notes in a audio pamphlet type style.
This advice is worth it's weight in gold.
Dude... I'm an *idiot*. ... ...
Patty needs to change their name to Classycakes Gaming.
He speaks in facts
Panduh doesn't even move around the map, the mans literally breaks the sound barrier on warlock and teleports around the map
but if you're teleporting, then you're not breaking the sound barrier, because you're not moving, only changing location :P now that i've won the internet- BREAKFAST.
Hingle McCringleberry to bad their all under fire for DDosing an swamping nudes an stuff an like sonic an luminosity are both banned I think or kicked from their clans etc
@@simowilliams6990 Lumi, Sonic and Nferraiu are kicked from G1 (pretty sure) and Panduh is sus because he sent an IP address but (we're assuming) as a joke
@@dr.doritos9875 I don't understand why you tagged me, because what you said has nothing to do with what I said. Well done, internet! And now- BREAKFAST.
@@_AriseChicken lol i bet they would spark your entire trash brave ranked team
Would love to see more on that 2-second rule, definitely think I'm a person who needs that lmao
You were also hitting your shots on hunter 😂
I use a 3-second rule. Never be in my scope or peek the same angle longer than 3 seconds.
By contrast, if I'm taking fire I hide and count to 3 before I make my counter attack or rotation. This gives my recovery a second to start healing
I honestly catch myself 2nd guessing alot and never considered the second rule here even tho on CoD i implement a second rule while on multi...smh...im burying myself with the lack of it in destiny 2 😂
same
Knowledge is power
Let me tell you a story. The other day I was playing in crucible. I found this guy, He was sniping me every 10 seconds. Headshot, Headshot, headshot. I don’t usually think “here’s a cheater”, there are a lot of good players and before to report someone you must be 100% sure that he is a cheater. I was suspicious by the way. Suspicious but not certain, mostly because when is a cheater you know it, the reaction time is too fast for an human being. This was different. The reaction was fast but human, He was waiting for my head to be in the right spot. He was always bringing the fight to me. So at the end of the match this guy had 40 kills, i had only 9 (most of the time I’m around 25, nothing great but i’m average good, and I have my flawless in trials). All the other members of my team were around 9 kills, and in his team there was him, and then all his teammates were around 10 kills. I went to check this guy on destiny trials report and destiny tracker. 90% accuracy sniping in trials, a lot of flawless, and all the stats were incredible but human. “This guy is not a cheater, is just incredible” that’s what I thought. Then I went on RUclips thinking a guy like this must have a channel, but nothing. I know a lot of pro players change their name in game. This was the case. At the end I found out this player was cammy, and man, I’d love to pay to see that match from his point of view, and see how predictable was my movement for him. I have a lot to learn to became a better player, and that match teached me a lot.
Thank you for this video, is the best motivational and inspiring video on destiny that I’ve ever seen.
Sorry for the mistakes, english is not my first language.
Umberto Biondi WHy is it so long? 😨
Claimed 2 sorry 😅
Umberto Biondi noo great great story telling and pace. English was great, I enjoyed this comment.
Great story! You are already a better player for being humble, understanding you can improve, staying calm when getting beat and being willing to listen/learn. 👊🏿💯
Thank you guys!
9:37 I think its good to keep in mind that being too confident in your movement is never a good thing. Yesterday I matched a guy with "good movement". He kept getting us in gunfights that were weird and unpredictable, forcing us to shotgun or primary, however, he never killed us. Not once. He just kept confusing us and then would die. He tried jump sniping way too much, and when he switched to a shotgun he kept dodging and sliding, but he never played cover, so it was easy to figure out how to kill him. That doesn't take away from the fact that being confident in your movement is a good thing, but you gotta make sure to be confident and competent.
If I'd been playing Destiny lately I'd think it might have been me lol! I move fairly well on hunter (I think...) but I'm terrible at playing cover. Tunnel vision and thoughtlessness are my biggest enemies.
I can't tell you how many times I go to slide into a corner for a peek and slide in to simultaneously put down a rift, but slide too far and get merk'd putting down a rift in the middle of a lane! lol and why does the rift animation have to take a whole 1.4 secs to finish!
U were just playing a pub star
I would love to see a video that digs more deeply into that 2 second (or less) view before moving idea you mentioned at the end of this video.
you know what to do nomad💯
A move that I’ve found rly effective with hunter is running up to someone meleeing them then jumping/dodging back while shooting its like a 90% chance of winning a 1v1 cause the enemy freaks out since your so close and expects you to be in front of them not in the air
As a hunter main,
I'll do you a better one, you can actually curve your Dodge roll,
Melee a big Titan, then actually side rolled kinda behind the dude he was freaking out and confused and I just stabbed him in the side of the head for the final kill 😂😂
If the player is good your probably dead before you can just run up and melee someone
if you have the time to approach him in close combat and he doesnt have a shotgun then i guess his a bad player, its all about possitioning for whatever weapons your using, if you pushed me 1v1 id back away and get into a firing line i know ill have the advantage cause ive already inspected you and know what weapon arc your using.
This video popped into my recommended feed and seemed interesting and i have to say i just discovered this channel and 11/10 would recommend the channel will be watching every future vid if i can
I just got into bed and now all I can think about is jumping into The Crucible and improving my movement 😅
Yes- I would very much like to see more videos expounding upon movement. On console, FOV and general movement isn't as fluid and dynamic as PC options. Exotics like transversive steps, stompees or dunemarchers are almost a requirement to try and get a movement advantage.
I would very much like to see more examples (and possibly the dynamic thought process behind them) of good movement, versus poor movement, as sometimes I've attempted to dictate the terms of a fight and gotten squashed due to someone out-maneuvering me.
Thanks for the great video, Nomad. Ace quality as usual.
Hey Nomad, I went through (honestly) several spiritual experiences this past week. I wasted a lot of time in Destiny. I sought my own ego instead of synergizing with my team. I am day one D1 player. After my experiences I felt that there must be something to gain by all that I've wasted. I looked on RUclips and this was the first video to pop up. It helped me realign my life to The Light... thank you for doing what you do. God bless you for ever and ever.
After watching this I feel my crucible gameplay has started to improve as I come to grips with these rules. Thank you so much.
This is my favorite destiny video ever honestly, absolutely flawlessly put together, GREAT job man!❤️
That 2 second rule is an interesting take on movement. They use the same thing in driving called the smith system and its appropriately to keep you from falling asleep.
Aka: not going flawless :p
I've actually gathered a lot from just watching great players like Cammycakes. His commentary gameplay has made me a better player more than anything. Especially on that two second rule. I always remember him saying "I can't get tunnel vision." When he's checking a lane. Keeping radar up, checking all your angles, moving around frequently, stuff like that leads to more efficiency than anything.
Solid video! My favourite part was the Hips Don't Lie segment you included towards the end where you cover and conclude the main talking points. You sir, contented.
The end with you all giving callous! That's what I need videos of!!
"If gunplay is the tree, movement is the seed"
The thing about your videos - they ALWAYS apply. Always. I’m watching this on a random (non trials) Saturday. And yet - brilliant bit of advice reminding about the fundamentals.
Forever and always, keeping me honest and conscious of the fundamentals.
Ive been waiting for so long for someone to take my frustrations and put that into words
Your initial analogy between ayong a warlock vs a hunter just made a whole lot of sense to me! Recently I have moved to top tree dawnblade Warlock. I love the neutral game: air movement available, the air engagements catching enemies by surprise at times, and celestial fire. However, when I jump back to voidlock(any) I feel more comfortable. Since vanilla D1 I have used blink 99% of the time and it is what I am comfortable with in game and movement is second nature with it and I don't have to think (nor do I hit as many walls or get caught with my pants down slowly gliding in the air).
I really liked this vid. Thank you for this Nomad, I'd like the follow up vid you talked about at the end
you make all this sound like they are characters from a shonen anime, love it.
Great video man. Very on point. I can easily tell in a match how vulnerable a player is by their movement without even having engaged them yet. Also adding this to my ASMR playlist.
What I really liked about Trials was that it essentially challenged everything that I was in Crucible. Of course it improved my gun skill and target acquisition etc etc. But the real treasure was that it made me rethink how I moved, processed information, played around my teammates, figure out how to counter pick or push engagements in my favour. Sadly, haven’t gone flawless yet, but the weekend where my friends and I had our best run (6/7) we could tell there was more confidence in our abilities, call outs, and collapses and this video essentially explained what we felt. Thank you for this!🙏
This is how I am with Warlock. I know everything there is about how to move with it, but when it comes to other subclasses, I get lost or doubt myself very easily. Love your video!
Cammy has always been my go-to Destiny PvP content creator and his playstyle just became normal to me. But this video gave me a whole new perspective on just how advanced his gameplay is when you refer to how you couldn’t even keep up with him in your first time playing with him. He recommended your channel on his video of the Rusted Lands card and this video was fantastically interesting. You’ve gained my subscription :)
Thank you so much. Im a really good player (d1 beta vet) but i can never figure out why some people are so much better than me and I play crucible religiously.
This is why I love destiny so much. I need to improve. Thank you so much for your experience.
And now?
This is amazing content! Clean editing, methodical reasoning, and high quality dialogue. I found your channel thanks to the Cam video, and it’s amazing! :)
It’s good to watch this. I’ve been slowly learning why I’m so much better on a hunter than with any other class. It’s cause I KNOW the movement like the back of my hand. I would love to see the two second rule video. This was very helpful.
I would like to see a video on the 2 second rule. I've never really heard that rule described; making one would be interesting I think.
100% interested. Been working on my general movement for a little while now in a very real "have to constantly think about it" sort of way. I would guess a '2 second rule' video would be exactly what I need to hear to reinforce the things I'm currently working on. Cheers man, great vid!
I would also like to add that, as a d1 player, vertical gameplay in d2 was a FANTASTIC CHANGE. I play titan, but I played hunter in d1, and the vertical gameplay was lackluster AT BEST, and now that d2 has transitioned as it has, it makes gameplay and strats MUCH more variable.
Most players don't use verticality to their advantage, and if you don't you should, you'll feel much more confident in your ability to react, adjust, and counter most strats.
TL;DR ( Use verticality to your advantage)
What do you mean by vertical gameplay could you explain it a bit more
I watched Cammy's PoV video when it came up, so it's awesome to hear your perspective on the Rusted Lands card and gointo detail about movement and teamwork.
One of, if the best Destiny pvp videos I have ever seen. Well done. And yes, please make the 2-second video if you have the time. Thanks. Keep up the great work.
Great vid. I’m a mediocre player and do get thrown off by good movement by an opponent. A further vid would be really helpful.
This was actually a really well thought out video. Earned my sub
A video on the 2 second rule would be extremely helpful. I feel like I’ve hit a plateau as a player so anything that may potentially help with that would be great!
Thank you,this is a really helpful video!
I appreciate the whole self check with zero ego,its rare.
Please do more videos like this,very much appreciated 🙏🙏🙏
Respect👍
I would love to be able to see some of the gameplay from your losses on cauldron. Perhaps from multiple perspectives as well, like the videos you've linked from the cakes' above. Sometimes an analysis of the losses and a breakdown of mistakes is more valuable than the flawless highlight reel.
i got my NF like three weeks ago after i instinctively form that "two second rule". though its more like "peek and go" for me and thats real. nice video
Great channel! I’m playing cod ww2 and am noticing bad habits of mine, like moving mindlessly while shooting and accident my exposing my self to other angles
Very clean content and info!! That we can all relate at different levels of skill. You got a new sub.
Wow! What a great and refreshing video.
I think you are bang on re- information. I think that on that vein “unpredictability” causes your opponents to in turn “gather more information” which goes back to you very outstanding “information gap” premise... being more mobile causes you opponents to have a skill of “accurately acquiring information on the opposing team and using it to their advantage”. If you are camping (opposite extreme...the team can understand you position and that information doesnt change....they are still going to be therr a minute later...as you point out there are split second decisions to be made when you are highly mobile- because your position/angle for the attack is changing at a high rate...which causes the opponents to have a high skill in aim/trigger pull timing...unless you run thru a hardscoped lane...so being able to be mobile on the map forces your opponents to play that game and that is what causes the skill gap imo...if everyone got a taste of how to play like this- like you did the first week - you’d eventually see a higher % of ppl playing at this level because as you say at the levels most of us normally play- we can “win” without maxing out our abilities...anyway- ty because I never considered movement related to information gathering. That idea is worth a series of videos...
This. I had a same feeling when I was playing with Onyx&Potatoe. After that I started to go a bit aggresive but with advanced thinking. Great vids pointing out crucial points.
Really enjoyed this video. They are very helpful and informative. I laughed so hard when you were breaking down similarities between Cammy and Pattycakes. I agree that movement is just something that sets the True skill level apart from all players. I would like to see that follow up about repositioning as well. Keep up the great work.
7:35 was just spot on. I was playing last week with my friends, we've never been (and probably won't go) flawless, and didn't get to 3 wins on Javelin-4. After the first couple of games I wanted to quit and never come back to trials, just because I recognised my placement and movement in comparison to the enemy didn't even come close. I just struggle to keep up, and I think my friends do as well.
Usually though these are diamond players we're facing, despite us being at silver rankings, so that's often something I need to bear in mind.
All these weekend i did get some 3 and 5 wins in trials, but never cared too much about it, last three weekends i did only the first with to get the piece of lore and that's it. When bungie will make decent loot for trials, we will have many more players and that is the time to try go flawless, not matching up only with cheaters recovering accounts or super god tier pvp players.
Every week I try to go in with friends at my skill level and we find it challenging, fun, and rewarding (improvement) to go in and fight for 3 wins. If I'm lucky a couple of my friends who are way better will help me to a flawless. The main point is, you should go in and if you are at a point where getting one win is a challenge then face that challenge until 1 win is easier and your challenge is 2 wins, then 3... I'm getting more confident in my ability to get 3 wins and can see in the near future I will be shooting for 5 because I AM improving!
@@bedroombully815 if anything I feel like the challenge is getting worse week by week. Last week we got to about 3 wins but with 3 losses (reset card, no 3 win reward) in between, and couldnt get it by tuesday reset. Week before that we had 4 wins, one loss. This week... 9 losses in a row.
As much as I want to improve, getting sniper farmed or continuously going against godly pvp players (streamers, even sometimes cheaters), isnt exactly the best way to do so, and that's all I've experienced.
@@MrBopee true. Another consideration is when you play. Sorry of like anticipating enemy movement within a map. We all know token farming is an issue and trying to do it on Monday is harder than say Saturday night.
This is the most comprehensive destiny video I have ever watched thank you so much
I saw your post on Crucible Playbook. Just wanted to say thanks. Great vid.
I would love to see a video about the time associated with time and movement.
Excellent video. I agree I'd love to see more on the 2-second rule. Also - I know this is a lot more work to make a video like this - but for me the most helpful crucible advice videos include examples of engagements that the host commentates, even breaks down into slow motion and explains their decisions. The examples help drive it home. I absolutely think that movement is much more of a gap for me than gunskill (though I have lots of room to grow in both) and I'm very interested in improving.
I love this video. Sent it to my two friends. I am always preaching movement. This video explains it so well.
In before the channel name change to AscendantCakes. In all candor, excellent video as always!
Cammy is on a different level. The man can read people's fortunes and tell them when they are going to eat for breakfast. The stuff he does is on its own level of unpredictable. And that unpredictability, his unconventional playstyle with out of the norm loadouts makes him better.
Because like I tell people, the more you play against an opponent, the easier they are to beat. This season is such an easy season of trials, cheaters and beavers aside. Mostly due to the cookie cutter loadouts that always play out predictably. If you are having a hard time in trials, ask yourself, "Is the loadout I'm using so basic that there is practically a manual that explains my limited options with this loadout?". If the answer is yes, you might need to try and find something you are better with and out of the usual meta. Because then all of a sudden, people are scrambling to figure out how to play against it. Sometimes your own demise 8s the predictability and limits of a loadout you use.
Every video you make is helpful to me.. I’m the same I’m decent but I’m team engagements I’m often late. Sometimes I go strait savage. Sometimes I get shit on. Movement is something I’m always trying to improve on as well as angles and protecting teammates. Thanks Nomad
I've played with a lot of streamers through raffles/redemptions and the common issue I've seen with my gameplay is I have no idea where to position myself to best assist them or to counter the enemy, so I would love to see a video on movement and positioning. I've asked the streamers a lot of questions, but they all seem to reply with the same answer of watch what we're doing and not be able to explain it. The issue of watching someone of a higher tier than me is that I have no idea of the subtle movements or decisions they are making to get the result they desire and as a result all it looks like to me is they found a position the enemy wasn't looking and got their kill OR they had superior targetting and won their 1v1.
Strong point. I have to say though, being able to line up shots fast and accurately is pretty huge as well.
This pal, this has given me a ton to think about THANK YOU I've been using the 1 second rule this week and my game is night and day... more fun to watch back too!
After I saw this video 2 days ago, I started to implement that 2 second rule in regular Crucible and Iron Banner. After I got used to it a bit, I tried it on survival. It's like night and day for me. I started to get better on survival, I got more kills, and most importantly, I became consistently aware of everything around me. That 2 second rule singlehandedly change the way I play Crucible, although my KDA is still very low at this point. Thank you for making this video, I realized that movement is key in Destiny, both in PvP and in PvE
I really enjoyed the break down of why movement is so important but I was hoping to see more on HOW to move better
agreed
Good stuff! Your voice/inflection/pacing/patience, makes me think you are the David Attenborough of Destiny You Tubers! Love your style!
In the clip at the start how did he switch from shotgun to thorn so fast
probably a jump switch
It’s a weird exploit you can do where you sorta skip the ads animation by sprinting. I’m not entirely sure how it works. MP Edits vid with him doing it explains it, pretty sure it’s his vid on thorn
So you ADS with your primary or secondary, and while your ADSing you swap weapons and tap your spring button all while still holding ADS.
Quick swap glitch.
Run forward and switch weapon at the same time while ADS need good timing.
Both Cammy and Bake use macros for that same exploit.
@@YeNZeC no way Cammy is using a macro lmao
I laughed a lot in this video. Not because your fantastic comidic intuition, but because of just how relaitable this is. Playing with superior players and always feeling a step behind. Or more often, plating AGAINST players that somehow know what I am going to do BEFORE I do, and pre-position themselves to counter it (for example cammy's callout "this guys going to panic pop"...) Good stuff here. I think I have gotten better at aiming, and thats helpful, but my biggest gains in crucible have been in movement and positioning. I'm still not great, but positioning can outshine raw aiming skill in many situations. Been submitting gameplay for review on your discord, and its helped immensly.
Halfway through the video, my takeaway was be a hunter from day one and have the cake brothers on your team.
Definitely need more info
Great video, great gameplay
Looking forward for more.
Excellent video. Extra bonus points for being the only Destiny 2 player I've seen to use the word plethora in a video.
such a good clip Nomad ... well done bro. One of the best. Truly
This makes a lot of sense. Ive played this game for along time and a lot of my friends play mostly PVE. When they do play PVP with me tho this is the thing they struggle with the most. Great video as always.
As an average to above average, depending on the lobby and how I'm feeling, player in PVP I find videos like these so helpful since I get lost when I play high;y skilled players. It allows me to see a glimpse into the craft that is the dance you referred to and it lets me formulate a plant o practice and get better! Thanks! I'd love to see more videos like this that go in depth so I can one day help myself and others to the Lighthouse.
This was a great video; love the 2 second rule. I often stay in the same place, and if I get kills stay there thinking they'll come back. I'm not the best, maybe not even average, but videos and tips like this I'm sure will help. Now to get my aim on point lol. Great video, earned my sub. Thanks
Really good video! Feel like a lot of people forget about this when playing, and that there are several ways to win a match.
Crispy triple snipe are sometimes just all the planets (heads) lining up serendipitously. My proudest was a team wipe using only 2 bullets.
Cammy has been my top favorite player for a long time. He does live commentaries of his games and it’s taught me a lot about positioning and movement. The man is a crucible god
I'm extremely curious how using a Wish Ender might affect this playstyle? If a good chunk of movement is about information and controlling engagements, and if the seconds rule is about target acquisition, what changes when you suddenly have the ability to *get* all of these things, but only in a small controlled cone in front of you while aiming (and assuredly not moving, at least not very fast). I've been using a Wish Ender in Comp and seeing amazing success with it by remaining fairly static with my movement, but instead rapidly scanning my surroundings with the bow to see where my enemies are going. I can see not just their positions, but their models. Meaning I can see the direction they are facing, what animations are playing (and thus when they switch weapons or whether they're holding a shotgun or a sniper), and I can see when they jump, use abilities, etc.
Coupled with the Wish Ender's incredibly high headshot damage, a pair of two coordinated guardians could effectively and easily hold almost any position. 3 Guardians? Nigh untouchable assuming their communication is on point and coordinated with the information a Wish Ender can gain. But I wonder, is the information gained by using the Wish Ender enough to offset said information's cost in terms of movement? Just how much can you mitigate that cost and still retain effectiveness with the weapon (since rapidly ADSing doesnt work, as the effect only activates on a full draw)?
Great tips. If this is the type of content you put out consistently I’ll follow for sure.
Would like to see the two second rule vid too, that was pretty helpful already in finding flaws in my gameplay for PvE and PvP
Nice to see you back making videos
sidezz is one of Cammys teammates and he’s the best for me low key. The guy is just talented at game mechanics in general but he’s incredible at timing his pushes, bursting his damage at the right distances, and finishing kills. People love panduh for good reason, his snipes are crispy af and he’s accessible. For me though watching sidezz is watching the best. I’d go and watch cammy stream trials and most of the rounds would be sidezz charging in, getting a double kill in the first engagement of the round, then they’d collapse on the third.
Brother, I clicked on your channel b/c I saw Pattycakes’ logo, and your channel is awesome. Intro music is awesome, well-enunciated and well-written commentary. Subbed.
The very best video i’ve watched in a while
Awesome breakdown man. Cammy is a beast, and an intellectual assasin. Congrats on the flawless run with him
Just subbed. THIS IS GENIUS! This video helped me so much! Thanks
This is such good advice. I personally struggle with movement. I have a high kd and I'm good at controlling what engagements I get into, but I tend to have a low kill count because I have a limited number of places I like to fight. I'd love to see some videos where you break down how to effectively move from a map. Like start at a spawn and if you don't see anyone, where do you go next? What cover do you use, etc... Also, what I'm gathering is that if I put "cakes" somewhere in my name I'll have more success :) jk - cheers!
That timing guide sounds interesting, but I would love to watch your cards you mentioned in this vid.
Dunno how many bloody times I've been looking down my line of fire with no targets, decide to move, only to be gunned down by a guy that came into my firing line just as I looked away, right where I was expecting him to be 4 seconds earlier. Gets me
Titans running Icefall Mantle getting some serious Pikachu face
Wow 👏 the fact that they process all of these variables at once is really scary. I will definitely watch this video several times because its so informative. Thanks for the information provided.
I've been doing some of these, but never consciously or all at the same time. I had never contextualized why I liked playing high mobility hunter more than anything else with anything other than habit, comfort and feeling.
This might be my favorite team.
I was just thinking of the song in your intro when I came across your channel for the first time and found out your intro theme🤨
My biggest problem is anxiety since the Luna's grind I struggle to enjoy pvp anymore? Really bugs me because I'd love to play at the lvl of Cammy instead of being a nervous wreck!
Im right there with you. I can no longer enjoy pvp since I first grinded luna
Cammy's callouts are so freaking on-point. Like he could be a terrible player and still be an awesome teammate just with his callouts and leadership.
I 100% agree with you and can speak to the benefits of movement with purpose. I am no where close to a high level comp player, but I did spend A LOT of time grinding momentum control this week. Movement was essential for me to get exactly where I needed to be to flank positions, take control points or to harass the enemy. I also found far more use for guns like Mida (multi and mini) over the harder hitting Jade Rabbit. Yeah I did less damage per shot, but if I needed to close distance or change trajectories it was so simple. The games where we handedly won, I was all over the map, with confidence, the games were we lost heavily I camped more or tried unfamiliar weapon comps. Definite thumbs up from me!
First video I've seen from this guy and it's an instant subscribe. He's the Morgan Freeman of destiny😂
Pure honesty. Most self conscious players generate a god complex when playing with lack luster players. The fact your aware of what's going on and willing to do more is what your average player will shut down. No one wants to feel like a cryptark. We rather 1v3 for glory vs 3v3 for team synergy and losses.
Finally someone with an Ultrawide Monitor. Big ❤️ to everyone using such a thing.
Btw. your Videos are excellent, I never enjoyed learning and playing in the crucible more ❤️
Wow. This has been an incredibly helpful video
I've studied the greats but I've felt I've reached a plateau with my loadout. The weapons I'm good with, the armor I've honed, the subclasses I use.
I want to exceed my limits and go beyond but I feel restricted. I'm aware that movement, communication, and positioning are incredibly essential. Could you go more in depth with all of this? Thank you
Ill run just about anything besides pvp most days...mostly because i feel like im behind concerning the learning curve...ive watched hsndfuls of pvp guides,tips,tricks,and just learning through experience...i legit find this vid to help more than any. Inspired to start grinding away at pvp again with this breakdown👍👍keep up the good posts