Piston Boss runs parallel to the crank ...Top ring: 10 clock, Second ring, 2 clock, oil control rings 4 o clock & 8 o clock..Use a compression tool to collapse rings when installing piston in bore, Lightly oil the piston skirt, and put the motor together like your operating on an open heart patient. Don't forget protectors on the Rod Bolts, as you tapping the piston into place. Bearing lube ...keep mating surfaces of the rod cap and big end clean and dry. Thin oil on the threads only when torqueing together. Experience...6 motors a year, almost 35 years. 2 failures. 1 455 Old's dropped a valve, 1, 454 Chevy valve spring bound up, hung a valve, lunched motor...Both motors in Go Fast Boats...Not a bad record. Tom Harrison , Pin position the first thing I noticed. Go back to school Summit Boy!!
If you line both of the up, you will have blowby and lose compression, top ring should be on the back of the piston and the bottom towards the front on the engine
May over many years experience and learn from my master, 2 compression ring cross and 2 oil ring same as cross. Always best practice to use top of piston "X" orientation. Thanks.
Joseph Rajaram I’m with u bro, is the correct form to put the rings in the piston, 180, the oil rings one in the front and the other in the back, the compression and the other ring one in the right side and the other in the left side, it’s my way to put the rings on, what is your?
Confused. How is the wrist pin not pointed front to back? Here you have contradictory info; perpendicular to wrist pin facing the back of the engine...
The expander pliers might work on big pistons, but when you work on small engines like motorcycle, pulling that gap wide enough to slip down over the piston almost always breaks the ring on the opposite side.
Dankie/ merci Paul Crissman. That is problem I'm facing/ thinking. What it I had put the rings on up-side down? And what about oil. Don't you oil the rings before you put them in the cylinder?
I have a question I just put a 350 Chevy to gather and I set my oil rings at 3 and 9 and my compression rings at 12 and 6 will this be OK just wandering I heard other people say they have set them up like this
OLÁ 14/08/24 A dez anos passados já seu alicate de montar anéis de compressão deixou de ser usado. Se te informares saberás que o anél tem 3 áreas de maior pressão e existe e que existe um tipo de alicate mais adequado e que evita trincas moleculares durante a montagem. Os setores de aço também foram montados "de qualquer jeito" Abraços, ...com muito atraso... Roberto Udo Krapf
Hey summit racing im having a problem no we're on RUclips will take about the witch way the exspander ring goes in my trx450r piston when the mess ring comes together is it suppose to b n a (m) shape or a (w) when they come together no one seems to no anywhere on RUclips
Dankie/ Merci Summit Racing for this educational video. Can the oil rings be up-side down? There is no makings on the oil rings? So there is no top or bottom side? And for especially for motorbike engines! Thx.
Great flick Al....question 1968 366 Chevy big block.....I striped the engine down late at night and can't remember which way they go...ha ha piston p/n 3856253. 33...any help would be greatly appreciated
Hi Zane Jones, We need to know the manufacturer of the pistons and rings prior. We want to be sure we give you the best and most accurate recommendation. Feel free to give our tech line a call at 1-330-630-0240 as well! Thanks for watching!
I'm sorry but his drawing is wrong. The wrist pin is supposed to be parallel and inline with the front end and the rear end of the crank correct? The wrist pin can not be at the right angle of the crank! The wrist pin the small end and the bug end are parallel with the crank otherwise it doesn't work.
Hi remkopopma, The three piece expander type oil ring consists of two steel rails, which receive equal pressure from the center expander to assure positive oil control. The three-piece design allows rails to be manufactured with a small cross-sectional area for better conformability to the bores of today’s low-tension, low-friction engines. The rails thin wall contact also allows for quick break-in time. The stainless steel rails are normally chrome plated to resist wear and extend engine life and have no specific top or bottom when installing.
crafty1444, Top and second rings are different and varies per manufacturer that is being used. This should be outlined on the instruction sheet included with the ring set. Give us a call with any questions you may have. 1-330-630-0240. Thanks for watching!
some rings only have a chamfer or beveled edge to mark up or down orientation. what then? that was the one thing i was hoping to get out of this video.
Thank you for your question. If there is no dot to be found, install the second ring with the inner bevel facing down and the top ring with the bevel facing up.
If you order standard fit rings and the cylinders have been bored/honed to the correct specs, the ring gap should also be within specs. If a standard set gives you too large of a ring gap, you will need to get a set of file-fit rings, which are generally .005” oversized.
I hate to say this but that guy just said top and bottom and it was reversed. Does this need to be on you tube? If your gonna make these things make them correct.
literally just watched this before installing my first piston rings, thanks!
Piston Boss runs parallel to the crank ...Top ring: 10 clock, Second ring, 2 clock, oil control rings 4 o clock & 8 o clock..Use a compression tool to collapse rings when installing piston in bore, Lightly oil the piston skirt, and put the motor together like your operating on an open heart patient. Don't forget protectors on the Rod Bolts, as you tapping the piston into place. Bearing lube ...keep mating surfaces of the rod cap and big end clean and dry. Thin oil on the threads only when torqueing together. Experience...6 motors a year, almost 35 years. 2 failures. 1 455 Old's dropped a valve, 1, 454 Chevy valve spring bound up, hung a valve, lunched motor...Both motors in Go Fast Boats...Not a bad record. Tom Harrison , Pin position the first thing I noticed. Go back to school Summit Boy!!
Thank you for the correction. This is potentially dangerous information they’re spreading here.
I think what I'm goIng to look for is another video.
Gotta like how he twisted the shit out of the oil rings
Yeah had me cringing lol waiting for a pop
at 5:02 your diagram got the wrist pin going the wrong way, my wrist pins go from front to back
Thanks bro, went through a lot of videos and you explain it best.
just want to say thanks, this is helping me rebuild my first engine
Thank you, Krankie V for your business!
same
Damo B is correct. The wrist pin should follow the direction of the arrow. Other than that, the illustration is correct.
If you line both of the up, you will have blowby and lose compression, top ring should be on the back of the piston and the bottom towards the front on the engine
Helpful video, but you should really clear up your confusion between perpendicular and parallel.
May over many years experience and learn from my master, 2 compression ring cross and 2 oil ring same as cross. Always best practice to use top of piston "X" orientation. Thanks.
Rings setting is wrong, 180 is the best way no blow by or back pressure.
rings rotate during combustion cycles, its pointless after first start.
Joseph Rajaram I’m with u bro, is the correct form to put the rings in the piston, 180, the oil rings one in the front and the other in the back, the compression and the other ring one in the right side and the other in the left side, it’s my way to put the rings on, what is your?
Gustavo Espaillat it’s been said before, staggered rings is pointless. Whether you like it or not, once the motor is running, your rings will spin.
@@youwantshum9860 it's true. Every engine I've disassembled always have piston rings almost in line with each other.
Ok
Confused. How is the wrist pin not pointed front to back? Here you have contradictory info; perpendicular to wrist pin facing the back of the engine...
The expander pliers might work on big pistons, but when you work on small engines like motorcycle, pulling that gap wide enough to slip down over the piston almost always breaks the ring on the opposite side.
Dankie/ merci Paul Crissman. That is problem I'm facing/ thinking. What it I had put the rings on up-side down? And what about oil. Don't you oil the rings before you put them in the cylinder?
I have a question I just put a 350 Chevy to gather and I set my oil rings at 3 and 9 and my compression rings at 12 and 6 will this be OK just wandering I heard other people say they have set them up like this
Been trying to find a video on this and you answered my question thanks now to find an intake for my 400 ford with 2v heads.
Thank you for watching, Leonard! Good luck!
OLÁ 14/08/24 A dez anos passados já seu alicate de montar anéis de compressão deixou de ser usado. Se te informares saberás que o anél tem 3 áreas de maior pressão e existe e que existe um tipo de alicate mais adequado e que evita trincas moleculares durante a montagem. Os setores de aço também foram montados "de qualquer jeito" Abraços, ...com muito atraso... Roberto Udo Krapf
Putting these rings on are scary. i broke one on accident the other day. i never knew they were so delicate
Hey summit racing im having a problem no we're on RUclips will take about the witch way the exspander ring goes in my trx450r piston when the mess ring comes together is it suppose to b n a (m) shape or a (w) when they come together no one seems to no anywhere on RUclips
So check me out I got an ssr 125 pit bike my first bike ever. Ran good need new pistons rings compression and oil but I only have 3 rings not 4
Why not put compression rings on opposite side of each other ?
I normally put it opposite
Like one at 12 then 6 then 3 then 9 then 12 starting from top or bottom
Just installed my rings, instructions say no gaps on thrust side of piston
SO SIMPLE!!!! THANKS FOR SHARING!!!
Can one buy just 1 set of piston rings for one cylinder?
Good video
Yes just in time I wasn't sure about those 1 &2 rings .
Thank you for sharing your knowledge
Thank you for watching!
How u kno ring go in the first two holes if there not the same
buddy thank u very much. u really helped me.
Thank you for watching!
Husain Qahraman
My compression rings 1 is black 1 is silver
Got a question, will i need to machine the block before i put the piston and new rings back in. its not a racing vehicle its just a standard 2L hilux.
Hi Samuel Noall,
Some level of machine work will need to be done yes, dependent upon your piston and ring combination.Thanks for watching!
Dankie/ Merci Summit Racing for this educational video. Can the oil rings be up-side down? There is no makings on the oil rings? So there is no top or bottom side? And for especially for motorbike engines! Thx.
1:27 he discusses PIP marks on the rings.
Great flick Al....question 1968 366 Chevy big block.....I striped the engine down late at night and can't remember which way they go...ha ha piston p/n 3856253. 33...any help would be greatly appreciated
Is there a reason why you would not want the compression ring gaps 180 degrees off from each other?
Jared Abdul nope..
Very good review. Thank you.
+F.O.U.O Cruz,
Thank you for watching!
Im building a pretty stout 351w with forged pistons and moly rings i plan on puttin a lot of nitrous on it how much more end gap do i need?
Hi Zane Jones,
We need to know the manufacturer of the pistons and rings prior. We want to be sure we give you the best and most accurate recommendation. Feel free to give our tech line a call at 1-330-630-0240 as well! Thanks for watching!
Summit Racing its a speed pro rebuild kit with forged pistons moly rings for a .040 over 351w
can u put that gold looking mess ring n backwards
doesent the wrist pin follow the arrow direction?
Hi Damo B,
Do you mind giving our tech department a call? 1-330-630-0240. Thanks!
yes it does
I'm sorry but his drawing is wrong. The wrist pin is supposed to be parallel and inline with the front end and the rear end of the crank correct? The wrist pin can not be at the right angle of the crank! The wrist pin the small end and the bug end are parallel with the crank otherwise it doesn't work.
Can you flip a oil control ring ? because some 1 said to me that if you do it wrong it wil scrape oil up and not back down.
Hi remkopopma,
The three piece expander type oil ring consists of two steel rails, which receive equal pressure from the center expander to assure positive oil control. The three-piece design allows rails to be manufactured with a small cross-sectional area for better conformability to the bores of today’s low-tension, low-friction engines. The rails thin wall contact also allows for quick break-in time. The stainless steel rails are normally chrome plated to resist wear and extend engine life and have no specific top or bottom when installing.
You didn’t answer the question!
Merci beaucoup...traduction en français
how do you aline the ring do the top compression ring and 2nd compression ring go up to the intake or to the front of the motor
Idk
Is there a diff between the top ring and 2nd ring, are they the same? if not what is the correct ring for the 2nd ring?
crafty1444,
Top and second rings are different and varies per manufacturer that is being used. This should be outlined on the instruction sheet included with the ring set. Give us a call with any questions you may have. 1-330-630-0240. Thanks for watching!
The wrist pin is 90 degrees out. It should be in the same plane as the arrow to the front
Ring manufacturer says 120 degrees clocking on ring gaps.
i think that he installed the oil ring by wrong way,if you look the edges you will see that they are up.(video 1:55)
One is black and other white, whish one is on top?
Compression rings 1&2 need another video
some rings only have a chamfer or beveled edge to mark up or down orientation. what then? that was the one thing i was hoping to get out of this video.
Thank you for your question. If there is no dot to be found, install the second ring with the inner bevel facing down and the top ring with the bevel facing up.
@@SummitRacing thanks for reply. It's appreciated very much.
how about 120 degree between rings
Thank you thats helpful
I would never set up ring packs like this.
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Is the piston ringsclocking is right because i'm confused haha
When you don't do your homework and show up for the presentation anyways.
What’s wrong with it
Can I use the pliers to install the oiler rings?
No
What about ring gap clearance? Does the ring come already cut to what you need or will you have to file it down and gap check it?
If you order standard fit rings and the cylinders have been bored/honed to the correct specs, the ring gap should also be within specs.
If a standard set gives you too large of a ring gap, you will need to get a set of file-fit rings, which are generally .005” oversized.
Okay thanks
Ever heard of close ups
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thanks body......
Suresh Duminda
Do you put both second Groove rings on that piston you didn't put number one ring group ring in there use the number 2 that's wrong
VERY POOR viewing point of what is being said/explaining.
I hate to say this but that guy just said top and bottom and it was reversed. Does this need to be on you tube? If your gonna make these things make them correct.
Your wrist pin is wrong. Should follow front and back of the engine. This guy probably never even built an engine.
I was taught that the rings should never be clocked towards the front side (thrust side) of the piston.
to the front of the engine; is a word? oook..
Stupid video for not showing how to prepare rings. Thanks.
Yah, you should delete this video and start over.