Hey, I know very little about India myself but I think the out of india theory is without any mainstream scholarly support. I thought it's seen as a nationalistic-regligious view of a minority of scholars.
Hi! It's been a while since I've seen this video so not sure what I might have said in it, but I agree that Out of India theory is dismissed by most scholars. I myself also don't believe in it for I feel that the linguistic evidence is pretty clear that Sanskrit and the languages derived from it are Indo-European languages which have their roots further to the north in southern Russia/Central Asian steppe region, but I think at the time when I made this video I was trying to be fair to all sides and since I know that many Indians (not just nationalists) believe in the Out of India theory, I mentioned it in the video. Thanks again for your comment and if you have any questions please don't hesitate to let me know!
@@HistorywithCyCame across your video, and though the Aryan Migration theory is standard amongst Western academics, why do you only colour the Out of India theory as being loved by Indian nationalists? Should you also not care to mention the chauvinistic and colonial history of the Aryan Invasion theory, of which the migration theory is only a later modification? You aren't being fair to all sides here as you then continue to describe what is essentially the Aryan Invasion theory (Horse, chariots, iron weapons etc..) in the rest of the video.
@@fakebatli So you are saying the Rigvedas are fake and BS? *Rig Veda 10.23.4* "With him is this rains: Indra throws drops of moisture on his yellow beard" *Rig Veda 10.96.8* "At the swift draught, the Iron One with yellow beard and yellow hair" *Rig Veda 1.100.18* “Indra attacked the Dasyus and the Śimyus; won the land, sunlight, and water with his white-complexioned friends” *Rig Veda 1.103.3* “Armed with the thunderbolt, he has gone on destroying the cities of the Dasyus, and augment the strength and glory of the Ārya.” *Rig Veda 1.130.8* “Indra defends his Ārya worshiper. He consumes the malignant; he tore off the b_______ skin; and him who delights in cruelty.” *Rig Veda. 2.20.6* "Indra, the slayer of Vrittra, has scattered the Dasyu sprang from a b______ womb." *Rig Veda 2.20.7* “Indra, the slayer of Vṛtra, destroyer of cities, has scattered the b______-sprung servile.” *Rig Veda 3.34.9* "Indra gained possession of the Sun, Horses, Cow. He smote the Dasyus, and gave protection to the Arya tribe." *Rig Veda 9.73.5* “They have roared in unison, burning up riteless men, Blowing away the b______ skin which Indra hates.”
Russian: "To vash dom, etot nash dom" Sanskrit: "Tat vas dham, etat nas dham" -"This is your house, this is our house" "According to genetic evidence, it is likely that Northern Slavic people are the most direct descendants of Proto-Indo-Europeans. Yamna culture, which is associated with the Proto-IE language…"
Yea Russian sounds like Sanskrit so sanskrit came to India from Europe not the other way around. This is pathetic. White people accepting that their language has Indian or Iranian origin is the last thing i expect🤣
Hey, thanks for stopping by, appreciate it! Yeah it's a pretty fascinating time. This was an older video and since then, I've actually learned more about the Vedic period so will probably revisit this topic again. Hope all is well on your end and stay safe!
Fun fact : the reason temples were not a thing in ancient India was simply because temples are a fairly new concept. Earlier temples were houses of knowledge and essentially acted like schools. The God that was placed in the temple more or less decided the topic. - this is what i was told by some historians.
Temple building shastras come more from Aagams than from Vedas ..... Aagams are complementary to Vedas and complete them , However there was a time when most of the India only practiced Vedas.
Nonsense! Sacrificial Brahmins (who offered to the Devas) and Temples were only invented in the second part of the Dvaparayuga after the Devas had defeated the Daityas and had thrown them into Patala. Before that in the first part of the Dvaparayuga the housefathers and their wifes offered at the oven of the house to the Daityas. And before that in Tretayuga only at the north pole ("navel of the earth") was offered to Brahma (the sacrifice of Daksha for example which Shiva disturbed). And before that in Satyayuga (which is the last part of Kritayuga when already humans = sons of Brahma existed) no offerings were made and worshipping of Brahman through the Jayas was only made through meditation.
@@saumensingh9482 Sanatani is based on facts and science . . . *Rig Veda 10.23.4* "In this rain, Indra throws drops on his yellow beard" *Rig Veda 10.96.8* "At the swift draught, the Iron One with his yellow hair" *Rig Veda 1.100.18* “Indra attacked the Dasyus, won the land with his white-skinned friends” *Rig Veda 1.103.3* “With His thunderbolt, He destroyed Dasyus cities, and strengthened the Ārya tribe.” *Rig Veda 1.130.8* “Indra defends his Ārya worshipers, consumes the malignant, tore off the b_______ skin; and him who delights in cruelty.” *Rig Veda. 2.20.6* "Indra, slayer of Vritra, scattered the Dasyus sprang from a b______ womb." *Rig Veda 2.20.7* “Indra, slayer of Vṛitra, destroyer of cities, scattered the b______-sprung servile.” *Rig Veda 3.34.9* "Indra owns the Sun, Horses, Cow, struck the Dasyus and protected the Ārya tribe." *Rig Veda. 8.87.6* "Indra destroyer of cities, slayer of the Dasyus, Lord of the sky." *Rig Veda 9.41.1* "Active and bright they have come forth, impetuous in speed like bulls, driving the b______ skinned far away." *Rig Veda 9.73.5* “They roared, burned riteless men, blowing away the b______ skinned which Indra hates.”
The etymology is fascinating. Raja has the same root as rex, regent, regina, regiment and so on. Agni clearly has to do with ignite. And veda is akin to German Wissen, meaning knowledge
as an indian i know vedic has dominated india culturally and linguistically but i would like to know what is the Indus civilization has contributed to india culturally and linguistically that still exist in india today
I think the "Out of India" idea is very hard to defend based on available evidence. The oldest vedas contain information about local plants found in central Asia (so in that case they must have gone there and back again, but it's simpler to assume they came from there). Also, there was a continued spread of Sanskrit and Sanskrit-based languages southward into historic times, continuing the wave from Vedic times. There is an ingrained idea within India itself that upper Vedic classes were "brighter" sometimes literally taken to mean lighter skin color (notice that you noted; varna could be translated as color). Having said all that, I do think that many key elements of India's religions actually predate the Vedas and come from within the subcontinent, Hinduism was a fusion of different ideas.
@@avijaiswal5819 One is that Sanskrit is significantly less complex than several other Indo European languages, like Lithuanian, usually older languages are more complex.
@@deepaknagar6213 No one has definitively found the Saraswati. This out of India theory is just a high caste attempt to further demonize the lower castes, it has to be destroyed completely.
@@deepaknagar6213 stop name-calling people you don't even know in real life. It's because of arrogant people like you that the present society can't have healthy debates.
@@jugg9140 please do not speak when you have no knowledge of the subject. You clearly have no clue about india's history and culture and no clue about the factors responsible for poverty in india today.
@@jugg9140 BS the so-called low life Indians and poor India had contribution of at least more than 1/4th of the world GDP for more than 1500 years. Same goes for the advances in the military technology and adoption of advanced warfare too.
Can't accept modernisation? 😂😂😂😂 I don't think even 10% of indian follows their religious rules in india 😂don't put you poverty on religion you sub human central indian@@jugg9140
So true. And I live in the Hindi/Hindu heartland. Even Hindu right wingers have no clue about the Vedic culture. In fact, very few "Chaturvedi" have actually read the Vedas. They lay claim to the surname, due to their lineage,but ask them to name the four Vedas,and they'll fall flat. It's very strange really. A civilization which takes pride in the preservation of its culture, and the people have no clue what sanatan dharm is about.weird people. And that includes my mum. :)
Great video! Always funny how nationalism injects in to historical study (both in the modern Indian context and how loaded the word Aryan is in the wake of Nazi Europe). This is why we need good scholarship to find the truth, not what is politically convenient. Truth must always win out. Keep up the good work!
But what he said was a wrong criticism aimed at Indian scholars who mostly deny the theory. Most Indian scholars don’t believe that Indians were the source for all Indo European people, they just deny a nomadic people being able to write the most comprehensive work with no match for thousands of years even in the most settled civilizations. This is what most Indian scholars believe: 1) vedic civ descended from Indus civ, this is supported by the fact that there’s no material change, and no archeological site showing an invasion or change in religious, cultural or burial practices. Even architectural practices are almost exactly the same. 2) vedas were written from a time period spanning from Indus golden age to the dark ages and written by settled people, not nomadic savages. This should be obvious, since Vedic people know about Sarasvati river, and a barbarian people cannot write something like the Vedas. Mention of chariots isn’t a problem since golden age Indus Valley civilization has chariots contrary to popular belief. 3) the elephant in the room is obviously language, half of Sanskrit is Indo european based. Indian scholars simply think that this is a result of post collapse Indus Valley region being heavily influenced by Iranic people of Afghanistan, specially since unlike today, crossing from Indus Valley to Afghanistan was easy back then
IDUBBZZ you Indians underestimate the power of oral literature. The Iliad, perhaps the closest thing to the Bible in the ancient world, was transmitted through oral poetry for hundreds of years. How civtarded! Also there were many differences between the Vedic people and the Indus Valley people
@@idubbzz7899 Also, the steppe (semi nomads) proved themselves capable of great works exemplified by the fine craftsmanship of all the items in their burials, the fact that they invented the chariot and their massive burial mounds. The Scythians are descended from the Aryans( and largely preserved their lifestyle) and where repeatedly described as incredibly skilled in battle and able to field very large armies by writers in all the settled civilizations they encountered. You still have the problem of Sanskrit being an Indo-European language, the problem of the introduction of Indo-European material culture, genes(mostly male genes pointing to invasion) and culture. Denying the invasion of the Aryans is entirely based on trying to save face instead of admitting the truth
@@alexdunphy3716 saving the face smh one more European. Just last week one more research proved how climate change destroyed the civilisation but ignorant want to be ignorant no problem 👍
Great nation of India .. nice to learn about its origin and culture which is ambiguous to me though i had to listen to the video few times to grasp every detail but it was worth it.
Just a small correction, the last Veda is atharva veda and not Arthava veda.. I know it’s just a small change but they probably mean different things. Great information though.
Sad part is we south Asians care less about our actual history and more about our religions which have been twisted, corrupted and misinterpreted thoroughly over time.
Glad we're all on the same page! Hmmm... have you been talking about the Mauryan Empire because they're coming up soon! Thanks for stopping by, I really appreciate and glad you're here!
I am really enjoying your videos about ancient India, and have learned a lot. You are easy to listen to, and I like your voice! Thank you for your videos! ~Janet in Canada
5:16 it's an outdated concept theorized by Max Muller. In recent studies by authors like Michael Witzel and Asko Parpola, they have said that Dasa is a common term used for people who didn't follow Aryan customs. Interestingly, it was specifically used for Iranian and Central Asian tribes, sometimes for some indigenous Indians too. Just read the Wikipedia page for the Dasa and you'll know the full context.
Chess was a valued form of entertainment between the warriors of India. Because it taught them to use logic and tactics in battle. Wich is why Alexander of Macedon brought chess with him to every other side of the empire. To train his soldiers in a more efficient way. Just thought it was interesting to know.
@@hermescarraro3393 he not brought chess but indians spreaded chess.only greek sources mention about him indian sources from that time not mention anything so its greek view.
Garbage & BS Varna system both in theory and practice has always been non-hierarchical. Varnas are categorisation and sections of people and are based on nature, character, qualification, capabilities and abilities. Both in theory and practice. Now Jaati is a different thing. *Note: Varnas are not caste. Caste is a foreign label. Indian social structures are no castes but varnas, jaatis, janas, classes and other groupings. None of the Indian/Indic social structure is based on any religious scripture, race and skin colour.
Tbh, if I'm creating a social hierarchy, I'm smart enough to put myself on top. No I wonder why others couldn't have enough influence and power to create hierarchy according to themselves.
@drdeesnutts48 Humans are hierarchical creatures. The smartest, wealthiest, skilled, or martial always have a higher place on the social hierarchy. Higher social status often meant a greater responsibility to their subjects, with more responsibility being placed upon people who are more socially important. Also, the priest class was the center for literacy and learning. That’s history.
We're brahmins and we still recite vedas after all these long years. We believe saraswati river as origin of our civilization as rig vedas mention saraswati as source of civilization
@@Educan_is_Key_To_Achievement I know that King Divodasa, the father of King Sudas who fought in the Battle of the Ten Kings, was the brother in law of King Dasaratha, Lord Rama's father
Always enjoying watching your videos, and this video is so good, i see so many similarities between ancient Slavs and vedic culture, no written records, tree built buildings and Veda simillar to Vid Slavic god, also Indra is totally simillar to Slavic Perun
Good Job Cy but you should of pointed out that despite the two theories of origin for the Vedic peoples, they themselves mention the geography of the rivers of northern India as their historical homeland. Also, If you look closer at the 3 Ancient DNA samples recently found in Afghanistan and the ancient BMAC civilization (including Fergana Valley where the horse was domesticated); It clearly shows that the "so called" Steppe Indo-European theory of an invasion is not taking into account that the steppe and BMAC and all of the northern lands were all Indo-Iranian (India), and the DNA found was the same as northern Indian DNA.
Hi, thanks for stopping by and your comments, I appreciate them! Yes, in the Vedas the major rivers in the Punjab and surrounding areas are mentioned. A whole several hour program could be made on this because it's a fascinating topic, but I just wanted to audience to know that at least within the Indian community, there are two main theories that are currently discussed. To be honest since I've lived in India for a bit, I've seen how this can be a very contentious issue, and I didn't want to go into the details of these and other theories here, especially since the focus of the video was more an introduction as to what life was like during the Vedic Age. Again, thanks for your comments and feedback, they are always appreciated!
They converted the varna to caste system .. and did horrible things.. and still doing horrible things to the lower castes ... what is being projected outside about india is completely different. .. inside india... it is all discrimination only..
@@danny.odonoghu.8362 Looks rice bag convert,who are finding a chance to to humilate ur real father and like neighbours father so much...some how in today's india discremation occurs due to lower caste people who actually belongs to specially one caste, although their are several lower castes which are till hindu and proud to be indian, but a one caste people convert to neo budhinism which is far far away from old budhinism not at all related to real principle of budhism and some to Kristian hate most of the Hindus and they discriminate hindu gods and people by several ways.
@@HistorywithCy DNA evidence shows and influx of dna from the Andronovo culture through the BMAC Territory into India. And it's mostly male DNA. Which means invasion.
4:50 Writing the sanskrit language is older than Gupta period mentioned in video. Panini formalized the sanskrit grammar in his text Ashtadhyayi and is expected to have lived in 7th century BC or the 6th century BC. Taxila university is expected to have existed from around 5th century BCE.
Hi, thanks for your question. To my understanding in early Vedic society there was no specifi dalit/untouchable cast. That came later on as they moved southward into the subcontinent and absorbed other peoples into their society. I could be wrong but that's my understanding from what I'd studied. Thanks for watching!
They weren't Vedic scriptures at all. The Mittani Indo-Aryans diverged from the rest of the Indo-Aryans very early on, before Vedic scripture really got going. The only texts we have are treaties and a horse training text, not really any Vedic scriptures.
Shubham Mishra They mentioned Indo-Aryan gods. What does Vedic mean? It means something to do with the Vedas. The Indo-Aryans of Mitanni diverged before the composition of the Vedas.
@@chinmaybhogilal6459 You are missing the point. If there were no Vedas at that time, the Vedic gods wouldn't exist. The Vedas existed far before their written form, Indian religious texts were all oral before they were written down.
I can see how Sanskrit is an Indo-European Language / related to English. Varna - Varnish in English. ect with many more examples. English often has more than 1 word for the same or similar thing.
@@descendedofrigvedicclans2216 The PIE language is a re-construction. Indo-european languages all appear to be related to one another. You can use this to reconstruct the PIE language. There are also common mythologies from PIE cultures, which you can also use to reconstruct common mythologies / gods.
@@descendedofrigvedicclans2216 Many languages are clearly related. PIE is the natural conclusion. The Mythologies and gods are also related. Its kind of like following evolution of related species back to a common ancestor.
@@Zodtheimmortal so 'white' Aryans invaded India 3500years ago and taught the indigenous population architecture,mathematics,metallurgy,and Sanskrit?Then why there is no 3500 old architecture,mathematics and Sanskrit in europe?
@@dharmrakshak6735 Sanskrit was derived from the Pro-Indo European language from modern fay Ukraine, just like many other languages. Language families are easy to follow their development. Its really indisputable. The other advancements are debatable.
5:30 Is this still a debate? Dasas and dasyu were Iranian peoples in central asia not Settled peoples in India. There are numerous references to daha/dahyu and dahae in Persian and greek texts. Also Parni (the founders of the parthian empire later on) is cognate with sanskrit Pani, all mentioned with the dasas and dasyus are referred by the greeks to live with the dahae
This makes me wonder 3 things. Who originated the wheel, were Sumerians from India, and how close did chariot use come to adoption of iron as well ... ?
They converted the varna to caste system .. and did horrible things.. and still doing horrible things to the lower castes ... what is being projected outside about india is completely different. .. inside india... it is all discrimination only..
It's interesting that the Brahmins were decisively at the top of the Varna, considering the roughly equivalent European classes typically show the nobility outranking most clergy (aside from the Pope, until the Reformation). I wonder why that is
Because the vedic indians valued knowlege passed by the spoken verbe. The brahmins were no different than other shamanistic figures and poets of those ancient times. These figures were seen with high regard, because they passed all the knowlege of their culture and memorised it. Wich is why brahmins were reveared and seen as more important than a raja, wich was elected by the people and not chosen by the gods like a mistic. This is also why killing a brahmin was seen as the greatest sin. Because by killing a holder of all cultural knowlege, you could have weakened culture and stability. In all the cultures were shamans and storytellers are seen as the holders of knowlege and magic, they are seen as more important than the rulers of the tribe. Like in Africa and in Australia. The reason for the priests of other lands to be seen as lower than the rulers was because: 1) the kings were also priests, chosen by the gods (like the pharaoh) 2)The kings had ereditary positions and had way more material power than a priest. The christian priests gained so much power because their tenples became the new bringers of civilisation after the empire collapsed. 💁
Then. The idea of yogi and bogi became a thing. A person who was detatched from the material world and was the holder of knowlege, was seen as superior when compared to a bogi, a person who valued material wealth more than spiritual wealth. But these ideas came way after the vedic times. After the indian religion evolved into a more spiritual practice and the brahmins and their rites began to lose favor amongst the people.
@Joe Blow Yes I know. 🖐️ I meant to say that the idea of Yogi and Bogi took a way more drastic turn after the Vedic period. Thank you for pointing this out. 👏
@Joe Blow I agree with your comparison of brahmins and druids. The similarities between the two are striking. Especialy because the druids were seen as more important than the rulers of the tribes, and even them had to treat the druids with respect and reverence.
Excellent video......lays out a foundation to better understand Indian culture/history in your usual easy to understand manner.You really excel at this.I must echo ajith sidhu's comment below on doing something on Indian warfare and battle tactics , weaponry etc.If in your study of ancient India you should ever run across a certain map I'd be totally indebted to you if you shared the source with me.I ran across it online years ago .....lost it....and haven't been able to find it since.It showed many cities involved in a major war and denoted what side they were on in squares divided by I think it was blue and green segments.Think....but not sure...it had to do with the Mahabharata.Perhaps it came from some book and is under copyright and thus not shown any longer on the web.If you ever need any help with researching anything I'd be glad to help.You seem to be covering a lot of ground of many subjects/area's.You must be busy as hell with research and making the video's.Don't hesitate to ask if you need.....be more than happy and honored to help.
Thanks so much for stopping by and the kind world, I really appreciate them. Yeah I think weapons would be interesting but to be honest it's probably a bit outside my area of expertise. If I do find such a map, I'll let you know. Was it a map that outlined the various janapadas? Thanks also for the offer of help, I appreciate it and will let you know...more to come, stay tuned!
@@HistorywithCy Looked to be individual cities or city-states.......thanks......thought I'd give it a shot to see if you had seen it somewhere in your studies
lets remember that rig veda has a universal indo european creation myth which is very similar with zoroastrianism (minus aten) i would also speculate that the area might be the homeland to europeans
Now no one is pure indo european. Most of the people are mixed- mix of dravidian and indo european. Even in north east part of india some mongoloid genetic influence is also present.
I think Out of India theory is now no longer even considered by historians. However you missed out on an important point which is that bulk of Vedic corpus is a byproduct of Aryans mixing with remnants of Indus Valley civilization people and thereby creating a fused culture which we call Hinduism rather than outright conquering or destroying them which is completely opposite of what happened in US where fair skinned outsiders practically wiped out the native indians. How that fusion happened is the real subject of historical study.
Genetic mixing is the rule, while the extinction that happened in America is the exception. And even that mostly happened because of the new illnesses that the european brought with them. Something simmilar might have happened to most European hunter gatherers after the Anatolian farmers reached Europe (at least in the South and West). So I think it is very probable that the cultures mixed and blended into one another. The 1-million dollar question of course is rather how, when, what exactly came from which culture and to what degree (50/50, 30/70 etc.) 😃
@@goranatanasovski6463 When is now much more clear. The mixing happened between 1800 BC and 1200 BC as earliest Rig Vedic corpus is dated to 1200 BC. But what % of Hinduism is Aryan and what % Indus valley is the real mystery. As far as America is concerned, I agree it was not Europeans wiping out the native Indians physically as much as it was the diseases they carried which led to replacement of native Indians by Europeans in America.
They were finally written down in the 4th or 5th century BCE. How do we prove they were orally passed on for 2500 year prior to that?
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There are corresponding writings describing the Vedic rituals by older civilisations like those between an Egyptian pharaph and Sumerian King in a series of letters...it mentions the name of Indra and the horse ritual, thus confirming the Vedic culture's existence in the 12th century BC by non-Indian sources ...
Can you give me those sources? Assyria and Egypt both predate India.
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@@rockbottom1014 Yes , that's what I said , the Egyptian and Assyrian civilisation were at their zenith when Vedic civilisation in India began...so they have written records of what was happening in India at that time
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@@rockbottom1014 IDK I read it somewhere, you can use Google to search, I'm too lazy
I’m referring to the Vedas writings not the civilization. Do you have a source where the Vedas are much older than when they were finally written in the 5th century BC?
The Indus Valley Civilization ended in 1900bc evidently moved to East and South India mixed with natives to become the ASI 400 years later , rural Steppe pastorolist immigrants first appeared in North India in 1500bc . Male biased groups invaded the indo gangetic plain giving origins to the ANI
@@Golshanim Hi! Oh definitely, I'll be covering this in some depth in future. I actually come from a traditional Zoroastrian family and so when I would study Avesta, I'd also have to learn a bit about the workings of Sanskrit - the similarities between the two are astounding with words that have identical or similar meanings or, due to later theological reasons, mean the exact opposite. It's some really interesting stuff that I'll definitely go further into. Thanks for stopping by and for the suggestion, I really appreciate it!
History with Cy my father was also a mobad and therefore I am also from a Zarthusti heritage. My son is studying Ancient History at Royal Holloway university and doing his dissertation on Mithras. I also do a bit of research myself. I am particularly interested in the blending of the incoming Iranic cultures with the indigenous people. Now I am looking forward even more to what you will provide.
Cy, would you consider making a video about the Elamite-Dravidian connection hypotheses. If true they would directly connect ancient Elam to ancient Harrapa, two civs that have always intrigued me.
Cultural assimilation. Provided this migration or invasion occurred, their ideas would integrate and assimilate into indigenous religions and practices. As such, the aryans probably never ‘brought’ the Vedas, but rather, introduced proto-indo-european ideas that would help set the building blocks for what became the Vedas.
Seems probable to me that both happened at different points in history, but divining the past can be as dangerous and difficult as divining the future. Clearly it’s an opportunity for deception to attack us because our egos won’t allow us to admit there are things we just don’t know. So instead we determine history based on our preconceptions.
They converted the varna to caste system .. and did horrible things.. and still doing horrible things to the lower castes ... what is being projected outside about india is completely different. .. inside india... it is all discrimination only..
Not according to the Proto-Uralics. It seems that the Proto-Indo-Iranians and Proto-Uralics had some beef, and they used the term Aryan to mean "slave", as seen in Finnish "orja".
Indra isn't necessarily the strongest as there is a Hindu trinity as well ( namely Shiva, Vishnu and Brahma), along with Shakti ( a feminine representation of cosmic power, similar to Brahman[Brahman and Brahma are different]) however is considered to be the king of Devas ( which are not exactly gods, same for Asuras as they are not demons nor are they entirely evil)
@@spacebunny4335 no it's not like that. Hinduism doesn't work on black or white principles. You can see that in not all Devas are good or have done great deeds to be praised whereas Asuras are generally termed as evil but some are praised or worshipped more than Devas for their good deeds. It's your decision and deeds which earns you respect not your birth or power.
@@Amit-mt9ko What I mean by my comment. Is that in Hindusim like in many religions and mythologies the beings (devas, asuras ect) act like people. So they have humans like flaws. This is in contrast to religions like christianity were there are good beings and bad beings and not much in between exept humans.
Indra is the king of the "gods", because he was the one who first discovered that he himself is nothing compared to the all encompassing ultimate will. So he is the one who essentially discovered that all his victories, defeats were not his in truth, but the bhramans (not bhrama, brahman is different). Shiva, Bhrama and Vishnu are the forces of the universe, Gods like indra, agni, vayu are earthly gods, they are the forces of earth, and among them indra is esteemed to be the strongest/leader.
@@cipher8400 yeah, he is the king of the gods as in the devas. But I wasn't talking about that. I was referring to his strength so to say. As the Trinity and the Brahman: Shakti duo surpass his abilities.
Sanskrit was the exclusive property of janeudhari Brahmans who were negligible in numbers in terms of the population and Native Indians who were the major population were prohibited in learning Sanskrit or reading Vedas. Hence, Vedas can't be termed as Indian culture.
Actually that's interesting... I have been pretty much doing primarily more ancient history videos, but I actually love medieval history and want to get to it. The plan originally was to move more or less chronologically through time and eventually work my way up to medieval times. However, at this rate I'll still be stuck in the bronze age for the next 2 years. Therefore, I will be producing videos on medieval history, hopefully starting in spring or early summer... after I do some vids on the Roman Empire. Definitely will be doing a lot on the history of Central Asia and the various Turkic groups...stay tuned! Thanks for stopping by, I really appreciate it!
I didn't know there is such an ethnic group as "turkic Bulgars".Recently it started a wave of a propaganda because of Kubrat, in which todays people of Khazahstan, Tatarstan and oth. are trying to say Bulgars and Bulgarians are ethnically different, something like the father(Kubrat,Hubrat) who was married for a Greek lady is from a different ethnic group from his son(Asparuh,Isper,Isperih) , who was also married for Greek princess.The orygin of Bulgarians needs to be prooved by more artefacts and less foreign political interests, please. It is visibly clear the genes of the Bulgarians(with many old names incl." Balkars" and "Bulgars") are predominantly European, the "mongol" image in Wikipedia is of a 89 years old man with deformed soft tissues and someone incapable or paid did the face reconstruction.
@@papazataklaattiranimam don't trust Wikipedia so much, I found quite a lot of wrong info inside.People just are jealous sometimes.Sorry, the truth will pop-up, archaeology is blooming.
Let unknown be known: Talking about present day Vedas/ Manusmriti/Brahmins and caste based society , Many people misunderstand the term "caste" and consider it to be equal to "division" in the human family. Caste has four fundamental features: division, gradation, degradation and demonisation. I do not think I need to explain these four terms. For example, as soon as a tribe comes under the domination of Hinduism, it will artificially be divided into five major groups. Then these groups will be graded in a hierarchical order and named Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya, Shudra and Chandala. Then Shudras and Chandalas will be degraded and demonised to the extent that their spirits will die forever and they will be the subject of hatred and contempt.
generally most indians have dna from indus people but the second dna percentage is from indo arya (north india has this more than south indians generally ) but indo aryan is dominated india linguistically (north india), culturally, and religiously
No, Krishna was of Vrishni and Yadav roots, so more likely he was a folk hero of later times.. The Indus Valley Civilization had been dead for centuries before Krishna was around.
@@chinmaybhogilal6459 not really Yadavs were local Indus Valley tribes who aligned with Aryans which is why Krishna was often derided as a cow-herder by fellow kings at that time and Yadavs even today are classifed as OBC caste even though they were traditionally landowners and warriors. Moreover while IVC had died by the time of Krishna , some of its key features namely a close knit alliance between kingdoms and standardized procedures were followed even during post IVC period for few centuries. For example you could not enter Dwarka without a seal which seemed to be an IVC concept.
@@TarunKumar-uo5gn Yea, you're right. Dwarka was known for being a Late Harappan city, and Yadava has no Indo-European etymology, leading some to believe it is of Dravidian origin.
@@chinmaybhogilal6459 vedic culture existed prior to indus valley civilization, infact ivc was part of vedic culture but they spoke different languages. Same situation today in India, u go to Gujrat they speak gujurati, bihar bihari
Hi Cy, thanks for that one, Indian history is obviously undercovered in the anglophone world. I wonder, do you have family from outside the US? You sound to me like an American mostly but at times there is something in your accent that sounds differently
Hi, thanks so much for stopping by, really appreciate it and glad that you liked the video! Yes, I am born and raised for most of my life in the US, but I have family ties to India and have been there 10-12 times in my life, so yeah, I guess the accent tends to vary at times haha. I get that a lot actually. Thanks again for stopping by, really appreciate it... more on Indian history to come, stay safe!
@@Crafty_Spirit Nice! My family is actually Parsi-Zoroastrian from Mumbai/Gujarat area. Been to Switzerland, one of the most beautiful countries I've ever visited! Nice to meet you, stay safe!
@@HistorywithCy OMFG I never saw a Parsi youtuber and never met a Parsi person irl. It's really good to see someone from the Parsi community making a video Edit: I'm someone who studies Indian history just for hobby. If you want I can help you with video ideas! Are you on discord?
It's so informative + learnt about vedic era ... and so initiative about it .... 💯 ...and knows about the religious and cultural activities and societies ....
Hey, I know very little about India myself but I think the out of india theory is without any mainstream scholarly support. I thought it's seen as a nationalistic-regligious view of a minority of scholars.
Hi! It's been a while since I've seen this video so not sure what I might have said in it, but I agree that Out of India theory is dismissed by most scholars. I myself also don't believe in it for I feel that the linguistic evidence is pretty clear that Sanskrit and the languages derived from it are Indo-European languages which have their roots further to the north in southern Russia/Central Asian steppe region, but I think at the time when I made this video I was trying to be fair to all sides and since I know that many Indians (not just nationalists) believe in the Out of India theory, I mentioned it in the video. Thanks again for your comment and if you have any questions please don't hesitate to let me know!
@@HistorywithCyCame across your video, and though the Aryan Migration theory is standard amongst Western academics, why do you only colour the Out of India theory as being loved by Indian nationalists? Should you also not care to mention the chauvinistic and colonial history of the Aryan Invasion theory, of which the migration theory is only a later modification?
You aren't being fair to all sides here as you then continue to describe what is essentially the Aryan Invasion theory (Horse, chariots, iron weapons etc..) in the rest of the video.
@@fakebatli So you are saying the Rigvedas are fake and BS?
*Rig Veda 10.23.4* "With him is this rains: Indra throws drops of moisture on his yellow beard"
*Rig Veda 10.96.8* "At the swift draught, the Iron One with yellow beard and yellow hair"
*Rig Veda 1.100.18* “Indra attacked the Dasyus and the Śimyus; won the land, sunlight, and water with his white-complexioned friends”
*Rig Veda 1.103.3* “Armed with the thunderbolt, he has gone on destroying the cities of the Dasyus, and augment the strength and glory of the Ārya.”
*Rig Veda 1.130.8* “Indra defends his Ārya worshiper. He consumes the malignant; he tore off the b_______ skin; and him who delights in cruelty.”
*Rig Veda. 2.20.6* "Indra, the slayer of Vrittra, has scattered the Dasyu sprang from a b______ womb."
*Rig Veda 2.20.7* “Indra, the slayer of Vṛtra, destroyer of cities, has scattered the b______-sprung servile.”
*Rig Veda 3.34.9* "Indra gained possession of the Sun, Horses, Cow. He smote the Dasyus, and gave protection to the Arya tribe."
*Rig Veda 9.73.5* “They have roared in unison, burning up riteless men, Blowing away the b______ skin which Indra hates.”
Russian: "To vash dom, etot nash dom"
Sanskrit: "Tat vas dham, etat nas dham"
-"This is your house, this is our house"
"According to genetic evidence, it is likely that Northern Slavic people are the most direct descendants of Proto-Indo-Europeans. Yamna culture, which is associated with the Proto-IE language…"
Donkey waste
Dirty fellow
@@janmenjojanmenjo7566 what ?
@@janmenjojanmenjo7566 self description
Yea Russian sounds like Sanskrit so sanskrit came to India from Europe not the other way around.
This is pathetic.
White people accepting that their language has Indian or Iranian origin is the last thing i expect🤣
One of my favourite eras in history, great job at covering it, I learned alot! thanks!
Hey, thanks for stopping by, appreciate it! Yeah it's a pretty fascinating time. This was an older video and since then, I've actually learned more about the Vedic period so will probably revisit this topic again. Hope all is well on your end and stay safe!
You are my fav song channel on youtube
Fun fact : the reason temples were not a thing in ancient India was simply because temples are a fairly new concept. Earlier temples were houses of knowledge and essentially acted like schools. The God that was placed in the temple more or less decided the topic. - this is what i was told by some historians.
The epics mentions temples. Most likely they were made of wood , thats why they did not survived
Temple building shastras come more from Aagams than from Vedas ..... Aagams are complementary to Vedas and complete them , However there was a time when most of the India only practiced Vedas.
Nonsense! Sacrificial Brahmins (who offered to the Devas) and Temples were only invented in the second part of the Dvaparayuga after the Devas had defeated the Daityas and had thrown them into Patala. Before that in the first part of the Dvaparayuga the housefathers and their wifes offered at the oven of the house to the Daityas. And before that in Tretayuga only at the north pole ("navel of the earth") was offered to Brahma (the sacrifice of Daksha for example which Shiva disturbed). And before that in Satyayuga (which is the last part of Kritayuga when already humans = sons of Brahma existed) no offerings were made and worshipping of Brahman through the Jayas was only made through meditation.
Damn. I still can't get over it how good and informative this channel is. You rock man!
Thanks so much for the compliment, I really appreciate it! More to come soon!
@@HistorywithCy No man. I thank you. Your channel is very inspiring and if I get my shit together some day I'm gonna start my own history channel
yes it even inspired me I have made a video on my channel already on the same topic
@@HistorywithCy what's Y-DNA marker of Aryas/Vedic? What's antiquity of Aryas' DNA in steppe? Which race did ride Chariot in Steppe?
@@saumensingh9482 Sanatani is based on facts and science . . .
*Rig Veda 10.23.4* "In this rain, Indra throws drops on his yellow beard"
*Rig Veda 10.96.8* "At the swift draught, the Iron One with his yellow hair"
*Rig Veda 1.100.18* “Indra attacked the Dasyus, won the land with his white-skinned friends”
*Rig Veda 1.103.3* “With His thunderbolt, He destroyed Dasyus cities, and strengthened the Ārya tribe.”
*Rig Veda 1.130.8* “Indra defends his Ārya worshipers, consumes the malignant, tore off the b_______ skin; and him who delights in cruelty.”
*Rig Veda. 2.20.6* "Indra, slayer of Vritra, scattered the Dasyus sprang from a b______ womb."
*Rig Veda 2.20.7* “Indra, slayer of Vṛitra, destroyer of cities, scattered the b______-sprung servile.”
*Rig Veda 3.34.9* "Indra owns the Sun, Horses, Cow, struck the Dasyus and protected the Ārya tribe."
*Rig Veda. 8.87.6* "Indra destroyer of cities, slayer of the Dasyus, Lord of the sky."
*Rig Veda 9.41.1* "Active and bright they have come forth, impetuous in speed like bulls, driving the b______ skinned far away."
*Rig Veda 9.73.5* “They roared, burned riteless men, blowing away the b______ skinned which Indra hates.”
The etymology is fascinating. Raja has the same root as rex, regent, regina, regiment and so on. Agni clearly has to do with ignite. And veda is akin to German Wissen, meaning knowledge
Regal as well.
And English Wise
that means indians migrated to europe to spread vedic culture
not to mention deva and divine/deity
In swedish 'veta' means 'to know"
as an indian i know vedic has dominated india culturally and linguistically but i would like to know what is the Indus civilization has contributed to india culturally and linguistically that still exist in india today
I think the "Out of India" idea is very hard to defend based on available evidence. The oldest vedas contain information about local plants found in central Asia (so in that case they must have gone there and back again, but it's simpler to assume they came from there). Also, there was a continued spread of Sanskrit and Sanskrit-based languages southward into historic times, continuing the wave from Vedic times. There is an ingrained idea within India itself that upper Vedic classes were "brighter" sometimes literally taken to mean lighter skin color (notice that you noted; varna could be translated as color). Having said all that, I do think that many key elements of India's religions actually predate the Vedas and come from within the subcontinent, Hinduism was a fusion of different ideas.
What are the evidence you are talking about
@@avijaiswal5819 See for instance the book India: The Ancient Past by Burjor Avari
@@avijaiswal5819 One is that Sanskrit is significantly less complex than several other Indo European languages, like Lithuanian, usually older languages are more complex.
@@deepaknagar6213 No one has definitively found the Saraswati. This out of India theory is just a high caste attempt to further demonize the lower castes, it has to be destroyed completely.
@@deepaknagar6213 stop name-calling people you don't even know in real life. It's because of arrogant people like you that the present society can't have healthy debates.
Ancient Indian civilization is fascinating.
true but that is exactly what causes poverty and low way of life in India today, due to this Indian can't accept modernism
That is a myth. No dating, no archaeological finding. No script.
@@jugg9140 please do not speak when you have no knowledge of the subject. You clearly have no clue about india's history and culture and no clue about the factors responsible for poverty in india today.
@@jugg9140 BS the so-called low life Indians and poor India had contribution of at least more than 1/4th of the world GDP for more than 1500 years. Same goes for the advances in the military technology and adoption of advanced warfare too.
Can't accept modernisation? 😂😂😂😂 I don't think even 10% of indian follows their religious rules in india 😂don't put you poverty on religion you sub human central indian@@jugg9140
I’ve learnt more watching your ~10min long videos then I ever did at school
That's faint praise, school sucked. Lol, and Cy doesn't cane me either.
So true. And I live in the Hindi/Hindu heartland. Even Hindu right wingers have no clue about the Vedic culture.
In fact, very few "Chaturvedi" have actually read the Vedas. They lay claim to the surname, due to their lineage,but ask them to name the four Vedas,and they'll fall flat. It's very strange really. A civilization which takes pride in the preservation of its culture, and the people have no clue what sanatan dharm is about.weird people. And that includes my mum. :)
My grandma knows all the mantras I’m an indian
There are many many verses NP
Catura vivāhitā 👍
Great video! Always funny how nationalism injects in to historical study (both in the modern Indian context and how loaded the word Aryan is in the wake of Nazi Europe). This is why we need good scholarship to find the truth, not what is politically convenient. Truth must always win out. Keep up the good work!
Thank you, I appreciate the feedback! More to come soon!
But what he said was a wrong criticism aimed at Indian scholars who mostly deny the theory. Most Indian scholars don’t believe that Indians were the source for all Indo European people, they just deny a nomadic people being able to write the most comprehensive work with no match for thousands of years even in the most settled civilizations. This is what most Indian scholars believe:
1) vedic civ descended from Indus civ, this is supported by the fact that there’s no material change, and no archeological site showing an invasion or change in religious, cultural or burial practices. Even architectural practices are almost exactly the same.
2) vedas were written from a time period spanning from Indus golden age to the dark ages and written by settled people, not nomadic savages. This should be obvious, since Vedic people know about Sarasvati river, and a barbarian people cannot write something like the Vedas. Mention of chariots isn’t a problem since golden age Indus Valley civilization has chariots contrary to popular belief.
3) the elephant in the room is obviously language, half of Sanskrit is Indo european based. Indian scholars simply think that this is a result of post collapse Indus Valley region being heavily influenced by Iranic people of Afghanistan, specially since unlike today, crossing from Indus Valley to Afghanistan was easy back then
IDUBBZZ you Indians underestimate the power of oral literature. The Iliad, perhaps the closest thing to the Bible in the ancient world, was transmitted through oral poetry for hundreds of years. How civtarded! Also there were many differences between the Vedic people and the Indus Valley people
@@idubbzz7899 Also, the steppe (semi nomads) proved themselves capable of great works exemplified by the fine craftsmanship of all the items in their burials, the fact that they invented the chariot and their massive burial mounds. The Scythians are descended from the Aryans( and largely preserved their lifestyle) and where repeatedly described as incredibly skilled in battle and able to field very large armies by writers in all the settled civilizations they encountered. You still have the problem of Sanskrit being an Indo-European language, the problem of the introduction of Indo-European material culture, genes(mostly male genes pointing to invasion) and culture. Denying the invasion of the Aryans is entirely based on trying to save face instead of admitting the truth
@@alexdunphy3716 saving the face smh one more European. Just last week one more research proved how climate change destroyed the civilisation but ignorant want to be ignorant no problem 👍
DNA research support the Indo European theory, but it's likely that the cultures blended.
Great nation of India .. nice to learn about its origin and culture which is ambiguous to me though i had to listen to the video few times to grasp every detail but it was worth it.
Thanks my friend, it's always great to have you stop by...glad the video was worth it!
Just a small correction, the last Veda is atharva veda and not Arthava veda.. I know it’s just a small change but they probably mean different things. Great information though.
Hi, hope that all is well. Thanks for the feedback and info about pronunciation, I really appreciate it! Stay safe!
Sad part is we south Asians care less about our actual history and more about our religions which have been twisted, corrupted and misinterpreted thoroughly over time.
@@descendedofrigvedicclans2216 then you're just another secular atheist
@@xiuhcoatl4830 he is just saying truth.
Love it, rapidly becoming one of my favourite channels!!!!
Thank you, glad you're here and thanks for stopping by... more to come soon!
Wow, clear, concise, and to the point. Becoming addicted to you channel. Thanks so much.
Thanks so much, glad you like the style of the videos. More on India coming soon, stay tuned and stay safe!
Creeping me out how Every time you upload a video its about something I was just talking about the day before Cy
Cause he is a god...
I think
Glad we're all on the same page! Hmmm... have you been talking about the Mauryan Empire because they're coming up soon!
Thanks for stopping by, I really appreciate and glad you're here!
Haha no, not a god... just some one who loves uncovering history and sharing with people... but thanks!
@@HistorywithCy i love you cy
@@HistorywithCy You should contact and bring Rajiv Malhotra to your RUclips channel.
Pronounciation of Indian words were really good. I'm starting to think Cy might have some Indian blood
Interestingly Harappan Civilization seems older than Vedic period. Moreover the language (..and script) used by IVC was not Sanskrit.
I am really enjoying your videos about ancient India, and have learned a lot. You are easy to listen to, and I like your voice! Thank you for your videos! ~Janet in Canada
Love the information. Thanks for the awesome video explanation!!! Respectfully...
Thank you for stopping by, I really appreciate it! More to come soon!
5:16 it's an outdated concept theorized by Max Muller. In recent studies by authors like Michael Witzel and Asko Parpola, they have said that Dasa is a common term used for people who didn't follow Aryan customs.
Interestingly, it was specifically used for Iranian and Central Asian tribes, sometimes for some indigenous Indians too.
Just read the Wikipedia page for the Dasa and you'll know the full context.
Thank you, Cy, for another informative video
My pleasure, you're welcome!
Pls do on indian warfare ,battle tatics and how ot varied from regions
One day my friend, I'll do it... have to study it more first but it's a really interesting topic... thanks for suggestion!
Chess was a valued form of entertainment between the warriors of India.
Because it taught them to use logic and tactics in battle.
Wich is why Alexander of Macedon brought chess with him to every other side of the empire.
To train his soldiers in a more efficient way.
Just thought it was interesting to know.
@@HistorywithCy One interesting place to start would be the Yuddha Podcast by Anirudh Kanisetty
@@hermescarraro3393 he not brought chess but indians spreaded chess.only greek sources mention about him indian sources from that time not mention anything so its greek view.
If Aryans came from central and north Asia - how is that defined as European???
Sounds like they were Asian, Iranian and russsian
It is well proven that India had developed agriculture, weapons, horse chariot before few refugees came here from outside
Watch Sinauli excavation
There was no invasion but flow if refugees
Migration yes merging of culture yes but no invation.
That doesn't refute the migration theory. Aryans were nomadic, and civilization already existed in Indus Valley. None of that refutes the theory
@@xiuhcoatl4830 Who are aryans. Because the people whom the Vedas call Arya were not nomadic.
Isn't it amazing how the priests who create the societal hierarchy always find that priests should be at the top of society, funny how that happens.
Garbage & BS
Varna system both in theory and practice has always been non-hierarchical. Varnas are categorisation and sections of people and are based on nature, character, qualification, capabilities and abilities. Both in theory and practice. Now Jaati is a different thing.
*Note: Varnas are not caste. Caste is a foreign label. Indian social structures are no castes but varnas, jaatis, janas, classes and other groupings. None of the Indian/Indic social structure is based on any religious scripture, race and skin colour.
That is a very uneducated idea on how societal relations are formed
Tbh, if I'm creating a social hierarchy, I'm smart enough to put myself on top. No I wonder why others couldn't have enough influence and power to create hierarchy according to themselves.
@drdeesnutts48 Humans are hierarchical creatures. The smartest, wealthiest, skilled, or martial always have a higher place on the social hierarchy. Higher social status often meant a greater responsibility to their subjects, with more responsibility being placed upon people who are more socially important.
Also, the priest class was the center for literacy and learning.
That’s history.
Extremely immature take
We're brahmins and we still recite vedas after all these long years.
We believe saraswati river as origin of our civilization as rig vedas mention saraswati as source of civilization
is raamaayaana in vedas?
@@ctynwbraygalm ramayana doesn't come under vedas.
It comes under itihasa.
@@ctynwbraygalm yes king Rama is mentioned in one of the hymn i.e. hymn number 94 of book 10 🙂🙂along with some rulers of epics
@@Educan_is_Key_To_Achievement
I know that King Divodasa, the father of King Sudas who fought in the Battle of the Ten Kings, was the brother in law of King Dasaratha, Lord Rama's father
Always enjoying watching your videos, and this video is so good, i see so many similarities between ancient Slavs and vedic culture, no written records, tree built buildings and Veda simillar to Vid Slavic god, also Indra is totally simillar to Slavic Perun
Good Job Cy but you should of pointed out that despite the two theories of origin for the Vedic peoples, they themselves mention the geography of the rivers of northern India as their historical homeland. Also, If you look closer at the 3 Ancient DNA samples recently found in Afghanistan and the ancient BMAC civilization (including Fergana Valley where the horse was domesticated); It clearly shows that the "so called" Steppe Indo-European theory of an invasion is not taking into account that the steppe and BMAC and all of the northern lands were all Indo-Iranian (India), and the DNA found was the same as northern Indian DNA.
Hi, thanks for stopping by and your comments, I appreciate them! Yes, in the Vedas the major rivers in the Punjab and surrounding areas are mentioned. A whole several hour program could be made on this because it's a fascinating topic, but I just wanted to audience to know that at least within the Indian community, there are two main theories that are currently discussed. To be honest since I've lived in India for a bit, I've seen how this can be a very contentious issue, and I didn't want to go into the details of these and other theories here, especially since the focus of the video was more an introduction as to what life was like during the Vedic Age.
Again, thanks for your comments and feedback, they are always appreciated!
They converted the varna to caste system .. and did horrible things.. and still doing horrible things to the lower castes ... what is being projected outside about india is completely different. .. inside india... it is all discrimination only..
@@danny.odonoghu.8362 You learn speak gooder English not bad like some ref make fake profile and pretend to be gora
@@danny.odonoghu.8362 Looks rice bag convert,who are finding a chance to to humilate ur real father and like neighbours father so much...some how in today's india discremation occurs due to lower caste people who actually belongs to specially one caste, although their are several lower castes which are till hindu and proud to be indian, but a one caste people convert to neo budhinism which is far far away from old budhinism not at all related to real principle of budhism and some to Kristian hate most of the Hindus and they discriminate hindu gods and people by several ways.
@@HistorywithCy DNA evidence shows and influx of dna from the Andronovo culture through the BMAC Territory into India. And it's mostly male DNA. Which means invasion.
4:50 Writing the sanskrit language is older than Gupta period mentioned in video.
Panini formalized the sanskrit grammar in his text Ashtadhyayi and is expected to have lived in 7th century BC or the 6th century BC.
Taxila university is expected to have existed from around 5th century BCE.
You explained all the casts, but didn't mentioned Dalit. Was there a concept similar to Dalit in vedic India?
Hi, thanks for your question. To my understanding in early Vedic society there was no specifi dalit/untouchable cast. That came later on as they moved southward into the subcontinent and absorbed other peoples into their society. I could be wrong but that's my understanding from what I'd studied. Thanks for watching!
@@HistorywithCy thanks! Your channel is great, I'm a fan!
@@HistorywithCy i mean original system was varna jati which was distorted by british which later started discrimination.
@@RafaelSolaPACalsaverini there is not any dalit that word is born after Indian independence
Bro i was searching for a video like this. Thank you . Im from NE India,Nagaland. Lots of love Vikepo Victor Koso
what about the oldest vedic scripture which found in northern syiria at mitanni kingdom, not in india ?
They weren't Vedic scriptures at all. The Mittani Indo-Aryans diverged from the rest of the Indo-Aryans very early on, before Vedic scripture really got going. The only texts we have are treaties and a horse training text, not really any Vedic scriptures.
@@chinmaybhogilal6459 ...they were the OLDEST, they said about Indra etc before india did...read about it...i forgot.
@@chinmaybhogilal6459 they have mentioned vedic gods
Shubham Mishra They mentioned Indo-Aryan gods. What does Vedic mean? It means something to do with the Vedas. The Indo-Aryans of Mitanni diverged before the composition of the Vedas.
@@chinmaybhogilal6459 You are missing the point. If there were no Vedas at that time, the Vedic gods wouldn't exist. The Vedas existed far before their written form, Indian religious texts were all oral before they were written down.
I can see how Sanskrit is an Indo-European Language / related to English. Varna - Varnish in English. ect with many more examples. English often has more than 1 word for the same or similar thing.
@@descendedofrigvedicclans2216 The PIE language is a re-construction. Indo-european languages all appear to be related to one another. You can use this to reconstruct the PIE language. There are also common mythologies from PIE cultures, which you can also use to reconstruct common mythologies / gods.
@@descendedofrigvedicclans2216 Many languages are clearly related. PIE is the natural conclusion. The Mythologies and gods are also related. Its kind of like following evolution of related species back to a common ancestor.
@@Zodtheimmortal so 'white' Aryans invaded India 3500years ago and taught the indigenous population architecture,mathematics,metallurgy,and Sanskrit?Then why there is no 3500 old architecture,mathematics and Sanskrit in europe?
@@dharmrakshak6735 Sanskrit was derived from the Pro-Indo European language from modern fay Ukraine, just like many other languages. Language families are easy to follow their development. Its really indisputable. The other advancements are debatable.
@@Zodtheimmortal source
5:30 Is this still a debate? Dasas and dasyu were Iranian peoples in central asia not Settled peoples in India. There are numerous references to daha/dahyu and dahae in Persian and greek texts. Also Parni (the founders of the parthian empire later on) is cognate with sanskrit Pani, all mentioned with the dasas and dasyus are referred by the greeks to live with the dahae
In Dutch “to know” is “weten” or “weet”, sounds much like veda or ved
This makes me wonder 3 things. Who originated the wheel, were Sumerians from India, and how close did chariot use come to adoption of iron as well ... ?
3:10 Ah, I love that art by Minna Sundberg.
Haha thanks for letting me know, I didn't know that was the artist...love the work!
They converted the varna to caste system .. and did horrible things.. and still doing horrible things to the lower castes ... what is being projected outside about india is completely different. .. inside india... it is all discrimination only..
Very informative esp. your info about the early Vedic and later Vedic . good work
Thanks for stopping by and the feedback, I really appreciate it! More to come soon!
Proud Indian ♥️ our knowledge our culture is something out of the world 🔥💕 🇮🇳
@@descendedofrigvedicclans2216 evidence unesco valo se mang bhai . Unhone hi apni site pe dala hai.
Veda was wrote in the bank of ganges.And first person on earth originated around Mt.Kailasha ,modern Tibet .
Cy ... I am wondering about the 'Gypsies' and that they were said to have originated in India.
Ho would these Vedic texts have been disseminated and remained consistent among these diverse tribes in the early Vedic period?
They are clans not tribes.
They were byhearted by Brahmins/Priests.
Whether the vedic civilization was urban or rural is matter of debate. Some people believe that it was urban .
Pronunciation of Veda on point
Just want to point out that the 4th veda called 'Atharva veda' was said as "arthava veda" here in the video.
It was so informative otherwise. 🤗
It's interesting that the Brahmins were decisively at the top of the Varna, considering the roughly equivalent European classes typically show the nobility outranking most clergy (aside from the Pope, until the Reformation). I wonder why that is
Because the vedic indians valued knowlege passed by the spoken verbe.
The brahmins were no different than other shamanistic figures and poets of those ancient times.
These figures were seen with high regard, because they passed all the knowlege of their culture and memorised it.
Wich is why brahmins were reveared and seen as more important than a raja, wich was elected by the people and not chosen by the gods like a mistic.
This is also why killing a brahmin was seen as the greatest sin.
Because by killing a holder of all cultural knowlege, you could have weakened culture and stability.
In all the cultures were shamans and storytellers are seen as the holders of knowlege and magic, they are seen as more important than the rulers of the tribe.
Like in Africa and in Australia.
The reason for the priests of other lands to be seen as lower than the rulers was because:
1) the kings were also priests, chosen by the gods (like the pharaoh)
2)The kings had ereditary positions and had way more material power than a priest.
The christian priests gained so much power because their tenples became the new bringers of civilisation after the empire collapsed.
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Then.
The idea of yogi and bogi became a thing.
A person who was detatched from the material world and was the holder of knowlege, was seen as superior when compared to a bogi, a person who valued material wealth more than spiritual wealth.
But these ideas came way after the vedic times.
After the indian religion evolved into a more spiritual practice and the brahmins and their rites began to lose favor amongst the people.
@Joe Blow
Yes I know.
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I meant to say that the idea of Yogi and Bogi took a way more drastic turn after the Vedic period.
Thank you for pointing this out.
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@Joe Blow
I agree with your comparison of brahmins and druids.
The similarities between the two are striking.
Especialy because the druids were seen as more important than the rulers of the tribes, and even them had to treat the druids with respect and reverence.
Andrew Fullerton in the original indo european society, there was a priestly upper class higher than the warrior class
Excellent video......lays out a foundation to better understand Indian culture/history in your usual easy to understand manner.You really excel at this.I must echo ajith sidhu's comment below on doing something on Indian warfare and battle tactics , weaponry etc.If in your study of ancient India you should ever run across a certain map I'd be totally indebted to you if you shared the source with me.I ran across it online years ago .....lost it....and haven't been able to find it since.It showed many cities involved in a major war and denoted what side they were on in squares divided by I think it was blue and green segments.Think....but not sure...it had to do with the Mahabharata.Perhaps it came from some book and is under copyright and thus not shown any longer on the web.If you ever need any help with researching anything I'd be glad to help.You seem to be covering a lot of ground of many subjects/area's.You must be busy as hell with research and making the video's.Don't hesitate to ask if you need.....be more than happy and honored to help.
Thanks so much for stopping by and the kind world, I really appreciate them. Yeah I think weapons would be interesting but to be honest it's probably a bit outside my area of expertise. If I do find such a map, I'll let you know. Was it a map that outlined the various janapadas? Thanks also for the offer of help, I appreciate it and will let you know...more to come, stay tuned!
@@HistorywithCy Looked to be individual cities or city-states.......thanks......thought I'd give it a shot to see if you had seen it somewhere in your studies
Ajit Sidhu is an amateur military historian and his work is crap and pure BS.
Is there annother episode on India?
lets remember that rig veda has a universal indo european creation myth which is very similar with zoroastrianism (minus aten) i would also speculate that the area might be the homeland to europeans
Loved it ❤fantastic job Cy thank you 🙋♀️ big fan from Tucson AZ
Thank you for continuing to watch these... so glad to have viewers in the Grand Canyon State!
Good effort
Now no one is pure indo european. Most of the people are mixed- mix of dravidian and indo european. Even in north east part of india some mongoloid genetic influence is also present.
I think Out of India theory is now no longer even considered by historians. However you missed out on an important point which is that bulk of Vedic corpus is a byproduct of Aryans mixing with remnants of Indus Valley civilization people and thereby creating a fused culture which we call Hinduism rather than outright conquering or destroying them which is completely opposite of what happened in US where fair skinned outsiders practically wiped out the native indians. How that fusion happened is the real subject of historical study.
Genetic mixing is the rule, while the extinction that happened in America is the exception. And even that mostly happened because of the new illnesses that the european brought with them. Something simmilar might have happened to most European hunter gatherers after the Anatolian farmers reached Europe (at least in the South and West).
So I think it is very probable that the cultures mixed and blended into one another. The 1-million dollar question of course is rather how, when, what exactly came from which culture and to what degree (50/50, 30/70 etc.) 😃
@@goranatanasovski6463 When is now much more clear. The mixing happened between 1800 BC and 1200 BC as earliest Rig Vedic corpus is dated to 1200 BC. But what % of Hinduism is Aryan and what % Indus valley is the real mystery. As far as America is concerned, I agree it was not Europeans wiping out the native Indians physically as much as it was the diseases they carried which led to replacement of native Indians by Europeans in America.
Gentics poves that the people who have came to india called Aryans decend from a male indian acestor so the reality is more complex
Out of India Theory is still alive
@@timothyjohnson5999 yeah it's on wining side
They were finally written down in the 4th or 5th century BCE. How do we prove they were orally passed on for 2500 year prior to that?
There are corresponding writings describing the Vedic rituals by older civilisations like those between an Egyptian pharaph and Sumerian King in a series of letters...it mentions the name of Indra and the horse ritual, thus confirming the Vedic culture's existence in the 12th century BC by non-Indian sources ...
Can you give me those sources? Assyria and Egypt both predate India.
@@rockbottom1014 Yes , that's what I said , the Egyptian and Assyrian civilisation were at their zenith when Vedic civilisation in India began...so they have written records of what was happening in India at that time
@@rockbottom1014 IDK I read it somewhere, you can use Google to search, I'm too lazy
I’m referring to the Vedas writings not the civilization. Do you have a source where the Vedas are much older than when they were finally written in the 5th century BC?
The Indus Valley Civilization ended in 1900bc evidently moved to East and South India mixed with natives to become the ASI
400 years later , rural Steppe pastorolist immigrants first appeared in North India in 1500bc . Male biased groups invaded the indo gangetic plain giving origins to the ANI
Thanks
It's really helpful for me.
Thanks, I'm glad it helped! More on the way, stay tuned!
@@HistorywithCy sure..☺️
Fantastic lecture, Cy! Thank you!
Thank you for the kind words and stopping by, I appreciate it!
Love your videos. Can you do one on the coming of the Indo Iranians and the split between the Indian and Iranian tribes?
@@Golshanim Hi! Oh definitely, I'll be covering this in some depth in future. I actually come from a traditional Zoroastrian family and so when I would study Avesta, I'd also have to learn a bit about the workings of Sanskrit - the similarities between the two are astounding with words that have identical or similar meanings or, due to later theological reasons, mean the exact opposite. It's some really interesting stuff that I'll definitely go further into.
Thanks for stopping by and for the suggestion, I really appreciate it!
History with Cy my father was also a mobad and therefore I am also from a Zarthusti heritage. My son is studying Ancient History at Royal Holloway university and doing his dissertation on Mithras. I also do a bit of research myself. I am particularly interested in the blending of the incoming Iranic cultures with the indigenous people. Now I am looking forward even more to what you will provide.
Cy, would you consider making a video about the Elamite-Dravidian connection hypotheses. If true they would directly connect ancient Elam to ancient Harrapa, two civs that have always intrigued me.
Beautifully crafted video.
Thanks, glad you liked it! More on the way, stay tuned and safe!
great video ❤️
Good job, my man!
Thank you, I appreciate it!
The Rg Veda has always seemed to be a Bronze Age work imo.
Great chariot riders - aligned with egyptians/pharoahs.
Where's the next part?
all those who think aryans invaded and brought vedas...just tell then how dravadian (part of southern india) believe in same religion and vedas...
Because of Aryan influence also there
Cultural assimilation. Provided this migration or invasion occurred, their ideas would integrate and assimilate into indigenous religions and practices. As such, the aryans probably never ‘brought’ the Vedas, but rather, introduced proto-indo-european ideas that would help set the building blocks for what became the Vedas.
Many thanks for the elucidation.
No problem, my pleasure. Thank YOU for stopping by!
There were probably no temples since the Vedics were nomadic but it could be a divine prohibition im not sure.
There was probably no temples but Fire alters(Yajna vedi) which in today's India is housed sometimes inside Temples
Still question and debate whether it was made by Aryans, Dravidians, Veddoids, Or Kiratas yeah
They were all one .. 🤦 there is nothing like Dravidian or aryan
Early Vedic Society is my ideal Society preferably even to Crippled Modern day Indian Society ❣️🇮🇳🕉️
What about Darth Veda?
Dravidians remain an enigma in history. It’s as if they sprang out of nowhere but survived and thrived untold challenges
Seems probable to me that both happened at different points in history, but divining the past can be as dangerous and difficult as divining the future. Clearly it’s an opportunity for deception to attack us because our egos won’t allow us to admit there are things we just don’t know. So instead we determine history based on our preconceptions.
It is very nice thanks for this video
Thank you for stopping by, I Really appreciate it! Stay safe!
VARNA is only professional Divide of works depending on skills
The Chad Aryan VS The Virgin Dravidian
They converted the varna to caste system .. and did horrible things.. and still doing horrible things to the lower castes ... what is being projected outside about india is completely different. .. inside india... it is all discrimination only..
shut up whitoid, dont bring the divide here ok?
Danny. O'donoghu. His point proven
Not according to the Proto-Uralics. It seems that the Proto-Indo-Iranians and Proto-Uralics had some beef, and they used the term Aryan to mean "slave", as seen in Finnish "orja".
The Chad Burushashki vs the Virgin Indo-Iranian
Indra isn't necessarily the strongest as there is a Hindu trinity as well ( namely Shiva, Vishnu and Brahma), along with Shakti ( a feminine representation of cosmic power, similar to Brahman[Brahman and Brahma are different]) however is considered to be the king of Devas ( which are not exactly gods, same for Asuras as they are not demons nor are they entirely evil)
I like how hindusim blurs the lines of good and evil it makes you think.
@@spacebunny4335 no it's not like that. Hinduism doesn't work on black or white principles. You can see that in not all Devas are good or have done great deeds to be praised whereas Asuras are generally termed as evil but some are praised or worshipped more than Devas for their good deeds. It's your decision and deeds which earns you respect not your birth or power.
@@Amit-mt9ko What I mean by my comment. Is that in Hindusim like in many religions and mythologies the beings (devas, asuras ect) act like people. So they have humans like flaws. This is in contrast to religions like christianity were there are good beings and bad beings and not much in between exept humans.
Indra is the king of the "gods", because he was the one who first discovered that he himself is nothing compared to the all encompassing ultimate will.
So he is the one who essentially discovered that all his victories, defeats were not his in truth, but the bhramans (not bhrama, brahman is different).
Shiva, Bhrama and Vishnu are the forces of the universe,
Gods like indra, agni, vayu are earthly gods, they are the forces of earth, and among them indra is esteemed to be the strongest/leader.
@@cipher8400 yeah, he is the king of the gods as in the devas. But I wasn't talking about that. I was referring to his strength so to say. As the Trinity and the Brahman: Shakti duo surpass his abilities.
Sanskrit was the exclusive property of janeudhari Brahmans who were negligible in numbers in terms of the population and Native Indians who were the major population were prohibited in learning Sanskrit or reading Vedas. Hence, Vedas can't be termed as Indian culture.
source-f**king jealous South Indian dravidians haha
Love the Tunaktunak Bg music 🎶
Yes
Endogamy ànd the caste systen becomes prevalent in the Steppe culture with the coming of vedic practises in 100AD.
When did Kama Sutra came into play ?
Please do more videos on India.
I hope to in the near future!
Can you make video about Turkic Bulgars?
This channel mainly focus on Antiquity history, I doubt he will do videos on Medieval history.
Actually that's interesting... I have been pretty much doing primarily more ancient history videos, but I actually love medieval history and want to get to it. The plan originally was to move more or less chronologically through time and eventually work my way up to medieval times. However, at this rate I'll still be stuck in the bronze age for the next 2 years. Therefore, I will be producing videos on medieval history, hopefully starting in spring or early summer... after I do some vids on the Roman Empire. Definitely will be doing a lot on the history of Central Asia and the various Turkic groups...stay tuned!
Thanks for stopping by, I really appreciate it!
I didn't know there is such an ethnic group as "turkic Bulgars".Recently it started a wave of a propaganda because of Kubrat, in which todays people of Khazahstan, Tatarstan and oth. are trying to say Bulgars and Bulgarians are ethnically different, something like the father(Kubrat,Hubrat) who was married for a Greek lady is from a different ethnic group from his son(Asparuh,Isper,Isperih) , who was also married for Greek princess.The orygin of Bulgarians needs to be prooved by more artefacts and less foreign political interests, please. It is visibly clear the genes of the Bulgarians(with many old names incl." Balkars" and "Bulgars") are predominantly European, the "mongol" image in Wikipedia is of a 89 years old man with deformed soft tissues and someone incapable or paid did the face reconstruction.
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Bulgars and Bulgarians are very different peoples
@@papazataklaattiranimam don't trust Wikipedia so much, I found quite a lot of wrong info inside.People just are jealous sometimes.Sorry, the truth will pop-up, archaeology is blooming.
Ved (to know) sounds a lot like weet/weten (know/to know) in Dutch.
That's because they are both Indo-European languages
Let unknown be known:
Talking about present day Vedas/ Manusmriti/Brahmins and caste based society , Many people misunderstand the term "caste" and consider it to be equal to "division" in the human family. Caste has four fundamental features: division, gradation, degradation and demonisation. I do not think I need to explain these four terms. For example, as soon as a tribe comes under the domination of Hinduism, it will artificially be divided into five major groups. Then these groups will be graded in a hierarchical order and named Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya, Shudra and Chandala. Then Shudras and Chandalas will be degraded and demonised to the extent that their spirits will die forever and they will be the subject of hatred and contempt.
generally most indians have dna from indus people but the second dna percentage is from indo arya (north india has this more than south indians generally ) but indo aryan is dominated india linguistically (north india), culturally, and religiously
Would you say Krishna was an Indus Valley leader or folk hero?
Yes dravidian roots
No, Krishna was of Vrishni and Yadav roots, so more likely he was a folk hero of later times.. The Indus Valley Civilization had been dead for centuries before Krishna was around.
@@chinmaybhogilal6459 not really Yadavs were local Indus Valley tribes who aligned with Aryans which is why Krishna was often derided as a cow-herder by fellow kings at that time and Yadavs even today are classifed as OBC caste even though they were traditionally landowners and warriors. Moreover while IVC had died by the time of Krishna , some of its key features namely a close knit alliance between kingdoms and standardized procedures were followed even during post IVC period for few centuries. For example you could not enter Dwarka without a seal which seemed to be an IVC concept.
@@TarunKumar-uo5gn Yea, you're right. Dwarka was known for being a Late Harappan city, and Yadava has no Indo-European etymology, leading some to believe it is of Dravidian origin.
@@chinmaybhogilal6459 vedic culture existed prior to indus valley civilization, infact ivc was part of vedic culture but they spoke different languages. Same situation today in India, u go to Gujrat they speak gujurati, bihar bihari
Hi Cy, thanks for that one, Indian history is obviously undercovered in the anglophone world. I wonder, do you have family from outside the US? You sound to me like an American mostly but at times there is something in your accent that sounds differently
Hi, thanks so much for stopping by, really appreciate it and glad that you liked the video! Yes, I am born and raised for most of my life in the US, but I have family ties to India and have been there 10-12 times in my life, so yeah, I guess the accent tends to vary at times haha. I get that a lot actually. Thanks again for stopping by, really appreciate it... more on Indian history to come, stay safe!
@@HistorywithCy I knew it! My great grandfather is from Kashmir, but we're a Swiss family eventually :-)
@@Crafty_Spirit Nice! My family is actually Parsi-Zoroastrian from Mumbai/Gujarat area. Been to Switzerland, one of the most beautiful countries I've ever visited! Nice to meet you, stay safe!
@@HistorywithCy OMFG
I never saw a Parsi youtuber and never met a Parsi person irl. It's really good to see someone from the Parsi community making a video
Edit: I'm someone who studies Indian history just for hobby. If you want I can help you with video ideas!
Are you on discord?
how you record screen
Hi. What do you mean exactly? Thanks.
What is the song at 4:19
I thought the Aryans came from pre ice age arctic. Bal Tilak's Arctic Home in the Vedas writes about that.
It's so informative + learnt about vedic era ... and so initiative about it .... 💯 ...and knows about the religious and cultural activities and societies ....
Thank you
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Accurate.
Very nice I like it
Thank you! Cheers!
You are very good but underrated sadly.
Thank you, I appreciate the kind words...more to come soon!
Nitpicking: it's Atharva veda, not Arthava.
No problem, pick away! Thanks for stopping by, I appreciate it!
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