Amateur Mistakes Pros Don’t Make (Tim Pierce)
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- Опубликовано: 3 июн 2024
- Tim Pierce and I discuss why the best musicians are both obsessive and neurotic.
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As a 27 year old guitarist I really have to say that I don't know how much you realize that the guys like you online really are making a difference. We really do need people like you who are embracing the new medium of digital video content while bringing all of the important wisdom of the medium to this new genre. Thank you, honestly, its really nice to see these videos.
Very well said.
I’ve been playing for about 30 years and I wish I had a Rick and Tim at the click of a button when I was younger.
@@Thesongstaysthesame One of the things that I've learned is that if you are unable to surround yourself in person with people who know more than you, then actively seeking them out is the next best option, and having this here is an invaluable resource. One of the best ways that I have found to learn to get better at anything is to really listen to what those who know what they are talking about and have experience have to say. The amount of small bits of insight that can be used later on is far more valuable than people think.
Seconded
@@WeyounSix Your comment reminded me of something Alabama football coach Paul “Bear” Bryant said. He claimed all his assistant coaches were smarter than he, because, “If they’re not smarter than I am, I don’t need them.”
30 years ago I use to pay $50 for an hour with a pro . I don't regret any of that but really there bis so much at our finger tips on RUclips . 55 years and still improving .
Tim is one of the best people I've gotten to know in the music industry. A legendary player, but an even better person!
If I only knew half of what you and Tim know on guitar I would be out of the basement lol.
That is truly the secret though, isn't it Rhett?
hi rhett
Well, what Tim is to you, you are to me and many others. Your studio work, your live onstage work and the topics you cover in your videos have made me a better musician, and they're entertaining. Watching you, Rick and Dave go back and forth is what I look forward to.
Rhett is totally awesome in his own right and deservedly belongs among the great people (Rick, et al) that he associates with.🙌🏻🙌🏻🍎
Am a crazy old dude watching these 2 old crazy dudes talk about the most delightful stuff for close to an hour. This is insanely great. Love it!
I am also a dude commenting on a dude watching other dudes talk about playing with other dudes😂
I was in a band in high school. Rick went to the same high school, same class. I knew who he was, but we ran in different circles. Here I am 40+ years later and I can't express how much I appreciate what he's doing for music or how impressed I am with his knowledge and content.
I’m also a Tim and went to IC with Rick. And I laugh every time I watch him laughing. Still the same. Still remember when he heard Methany for the first time at the Strand.
Rochester has so much great musical talent!
@@1112Grll personality goes a long way🎯
I went to Fairport and Ithaca too, then found out Rick the Sicilian came from the greater Rochester area (gee ya think?) and attended the same schools, maybe 4 years behind me. Mentioned it to some Fairport friends recently, and they already knew all about Rick. I had a few bands in Rochester. I also was at Shorts Bar in Fairport one night, and who was sitting there all alone at the bar but Lou Gramm? Had a nice conversation with him. One more of many rock stars I seem to run across every so often. Foreigner played a local party in Rancho Santa Margarita here in Southern California, that I got invited to, so I wore a "House of Guitars" T-shirt and after the concert we ended up hangin' with the band after they saw my T-shirt and said "Hey are you from Rochester?" When I see these videos from Rick and Tim I feel privileged to be let inside, behind the curtain, to see how the sausage is made! Very inspiring. :)
@@dougselsam5393 I'm former patron of Shorts Bar myself!, and also lived in So Cal for many years, most recently in Trabuco Canyon. Wish we'd crossed paths. Every time I hear Rev on The Red Line it's like an inside joke when he references Lake Avenue. Man, do I miss the House of Guitars.
Does anyone else think that rick makes some of the most engaging and entertaining videos on RUclips? Keep up the great work :)
Not just RUclips, anywhere.
And not only entertaining, educational as well.
Yes. 100%
Holy hell that Marshall PA head sounds buttery
Yeah,about 3 milion of us
Tim is the man.
Ditto
You have a great channel Ross. 👍
@@buddyalbert5808 Most certainly so, Great Player/Teacher
Sure Tim and Rick are amazing but Im a follower of you too Ross…. Your playing is getting right up there too. Keep it going guys!
I like how he always looks really pleased with his riffs. Why not let your enthusiasm show...
Many gifted artists (not only musicians) are just not able to verbalize exactly what they are doing. Thankfully Tim is an exception :)
It seems to me that session players are "composing on demand". The implication is that the only reason they don't "deserve" co-writer status, is that they are performing "work done for hire". In other circumstances, their names should be included on the copyright, and they should receive royalty payments.
Tim and Rick are not only musicians they are educators whom have raised everyone’s music IQ whereby we have become better musicians, listeners and people when it comes to music! TY Gents!
I mean, jean jacket plus jeans is the stuff of legends.....
Absolutely, I totally concur man
Absolutely, I totally agree
then everyone clapped
This Seinfeldian interview worked great. And when Tim went into a Bruce Lee Moment with "you wanna be inside the drum kit" i knew i was watching something really special...
Living in Nashville and recording for 20 years, talking about musicians and working with the same guys as these guys are naming, I can’t help but smile and laugh with them about this stuff. Just subscribed to Beato’s channel. Good stuff.
Beato's channel is a treasure for all musicians, amateur and pro.
I was just talking to an old music buddy about some of the topics you're discussing. I've been playing guitar 49 years. The other day I was in my studio just staring at my guitars as if I was at and Art gallery. The same guitars that I've had for years and years yet I stare at them as if it was the first time I've seen them. I have the same amount of enthusiasm and love today about playing and guitars as I did when the lightning bolt first went through me as a young teen. That Penguin Tim is holding is giving me heart palpitations. Great Interview.
RUclips is amazing for this very reason. It used to be that professional musicians like Tim would never have the sort of visibility to a larger audience and his knowledge+experience would have been buried (just think about Carol Kaye). Now we have so much of this content at our fingertips.
RUclips is the best reason for being online. A day spent watching videos that instruct and entertain like this one is not a waste of time but actually a good use of it!
Carol Kaye did teach at Berkeley for some time, so not all was lost.
@@YAMISOOLD2009 Yeah, people used to watch mindless TV shows, instead I can watch stuff like this all day long.
Yesterday I watched a 4 hours series on how to professionally nitro finish a guitar using basic tools and spray cans by experts.
And in between I was watching a video about a plane crash by one of the senior Captains of Ryanair and he did a full series on 737 startup and everything, basically the test you would need to pass to become certified on the 737 and it was free and I sat on my couch watching it. And before that something by Oceanliner Designs. YT is wonderful. In the past I would have to get that from books and it would have taken months and I certainly wouldn't have had an expert explaining it to me.
I've know Tim for over 140 years and he's the best person i've ever talked to in the studio, absolutely sweet soul.
Wow I didn’t know Tim was that old
dude was cutting records in the 1880s
Here for the vampire unmasking.
He played Lincoln's Funeral... I was there with a relative of mine. 😬
God? is that you?
Rick, these conversations with Tim go way beyond music. Asking why you still want this gear even though you’re not going to use it for a session is something we can all relate to: a nagging “want” that we suspect is a distraction from more important things but that we just can’t shake.
I also think that you’ve established so much cred you could produce whatever and however you want now. I don’t know the specifics of the system you were beholden to as a producer, but I’d think new artists would be beating down your door for the chance to work with you.
Finally, with regard to making videos on jazz, rock, classical, etc. your enthusiasm for all things music is why I watch. Don’t overthink it. Whatever your excited about is the only relevant criteria. 👍
He is a custodian, hopefully keeping rare old equipment alive will make people aware and stop them throwing vintage kit into the dumpster.
I learned to play guitar by playing in cover bands. I realized early on that rhythm guitar was 90% of the job I had in a band situation. That carried into the recording projects I also did.
I am pretty high in neuroticism and pretty obsessed at times too, and for me it creates a lot of inertia in my writing, playing and producing. After years of basicly not being able to finish a single production, I finally let go and recorded mixed and released my first songs as best I could. I am now progressing much faster becouse of it, but boy it's hard to accept my shortcomings sometimes.
I feel very similar to what you’ve said here. I have to push myself to accept a few imperfections and just release the materiel already.
@@dakotawinston7677good luck to you🙂
@@dakotawinston7677 I don't know who first said this....if you wait until you think you're ready...it's too late.
Glenn, you got anything we can listen to??
Would love to check it out.
Yeah publish or perish eats the cake.. :)
Tim has my favorite chanel. I grew up seeing his name on records I loved, and instantly recognized the name when it came out on RUclips. But I'd like to point out one thing: Rick constantly points out that songs today have 5 writers. Here you can hear Tim explaining session musicians ACTUALLY came up with their parts, but they weren't credited as a writer. Today that changed, and it should be championed. If you write one part, you're a writer on the song AND you get publishing rights on it.
43 minutes of pure compressed wisdom.
I love how they can't wait to respond to each other's stories. Never a dull moment with these guys. They spout amazing advice and anecdotes faster than I can listen.
Well said.
True, true, except Tim uses the word "amazing" about a thousand times like a synonym-starved teenager.
I play bass...
I don’t really like shredding guitarists when it’s not in Steely Dan, Van Halen, Toto or Zappa’s bands.
But, mr. Tim I love! His playing, personality and big smile!
And all of that for free!
IMO producers are enablers, aren’t they?
🖖
Tim is so humble. Ferocious player, and just a nice guy. I love watching Rick too. He gets so excited about what he's talking about. Both cool guys.
Tim explaining what being a session guitarist is like makes me really really want to be a session player. That's the kind of stuff I thrive on.
Makes me wanna be a guitar session player too. And I'm just an average drummer!
if only the market wasn't as saturated as it is today. these guys had it good! not perfect, but the bar wasn't as sky high as it is today
You guys need a time machine pedal if you want to do sessions..those days are over.
Tim is one of the most likable guys around. they don't get much nicer. plus the insane talent and passion for his craft is so damn entertaining too!
Tim Pierce....the most talented, skilled, incredible player that is also incredibly humble. Would love to hang out and watch him work...so much you could learn.
Such a treat - Tim is like yoda, so much information and such an inspiring player. And such a joyful person…
I have literally never commented on a RUclips video until today (though I have subscribed). Great interview, as always. What I really want to say is that Rick, you have inspired me through your videos beyond measure to become a better musician every day. I only wish I had access to this content as a young kid just learning guitar. I can’t imagine-and you may not even realize-the impact you must be having on the next generation. Keep up the good work, and I hope to see and meet you at NAMM!
I know young guys comming through the studio who when I meantion Ricks name they all say oh man i love that guy,,i learn so much from him.
a lot of us wish we had this so let's see who takes advantage of this?
You guys could put up 6 hours of conversation like this and many of us would listen to every word. So much fun to hear you guys talk about, well, anything.
So glad to see this type of content being put out there. I could listen to you both talk about gear and the nuances for hours.
People, take note -- everything in this conversation is pure gold. The nuance in timing, particularly how far back into the pocket everyone played, that Tim is talking about is, to me, the best-kept secret to understanding three decades of pop recording brilliance. Muscle Shoals, Nashville, LA, Memphis, Detroit, they all had this quality and it isn't talked about enough. The pocket shift forward that Tim talks about is one of the tragic developments in music and one of the subtle, profound reasons music doesn't sound as good these days even though the recording technology and technique of the players are higher than they've ever been. We really lost the warmth, feel...the humanity of pop music when the shift to the grid happened.
This is so interesting. When I used to gig that’s exactly what I discovered. Used to love being just a little behind then rush a little to end it where it needed or not rush it, and it sounded so good most of the time. But this could be very tricky and it’s a form of secret art. I didn’t know it was actually a concept once. Now I release it came to me unconsciously from all those records.
I really hope Rick makes a vid about this. There are many subtle things about music that make a big difference to how we relate to it. Talking about it is one thing but seeing a proper analysis with examples would demystify what’s actually different about today’s popular music and perhaps why it all seems so sterile.
So true, so true.
You mean QUANTIZING? Yes, I used to think MIDI and all things DSP were the greatest thing to happen to music production. I know think I got that completely backwards.
Beginner question -- what is the grid? I watched that section of the video a few times and I thought maybe they were referring to how forward/back the drums sound in the mix, but I'm guessing it refers to playing right on beat?
Edit: so it does seem like it's the beat -- so why is this a bad thing for pop music?
always love when you have Tim Pierce on the channel!!
I love the behind the scenes info about the music business. Thank you guys for always posting amazing and knowledgeable content!!
Either Tim has a great PR guy/girl that tells him "smile at the camera Tim" or Tim just likes to smile at the camera. These dudes are my generation artists, great talent, intelligent, amiable. Love Tim and Rick - been a subscriber for eons.
Much as I like both, these collabs are phenomenal. I always feel I grow whenever I get to listen to these two masters exchange ideas.
Oh, Tim is such a joy! Glad to see you two together.
i love to listen to you guys nerd out on little details and tricks and tips. I don't understand most of it but love it, keep it up!
Tim thank you for all your contributions to music we all grew up with and love. You deserve much more recognition.
I've learned a boatload of great stuff from both these guys. Wonderful interview.
It has been so much fun finding out HOW MANY SONGS Tim has played on that have been in my playlists forever. Hear a great 80s song, Tim did the guitars, 90s, 00s, etc.
Love this channel!
Rick always makes me feel like we are old friends, even though we've never met.
I know great actors create that vibe too depending on the actor/role,
but being a life long guitarist/musician around the same age as Rick, all the gear talk, interviews and stories, I can totally relate and it never gets old for me.
Tim is humble. That lead solo in little runaway was one of the greatest solos of all time and deserves to be in the rock and roll hall of fame.
Other level amazing conversation with two absolute legends ..Thank you both for being so awesome 💯
That was a really fun episode! Your interaction with Tim was stellar.
I love Tim, and his enthusiasm for everything guitar related after all of these years is inspiring. We are truly living in an amazing time when so many pros are sharing all of their secrets.
Super interview. What a humble guy. Still learning and sharing. I'm so glad Tim's vids started showing up in my suggestions. Each one is a gem.
I love it when my favorite RUclips creators get together and just let the content go wherever it leads. Love the tips and the tricks I just picked up. Thank you Rick and Tim.
Love this!! The Rusty Anderson amp was a surprise to me. We had a mutual friend when he was making Undressing Underwater and I was in the process of setting up a home studio. He was a great resource for mic advice and gear choices. A very sweet man and so talented.
I love the conversations when the two of you are together - great fun & a great education!
Another absolutely riveting session with Rick and Tim! Wow
I love you guys!!! The most phenomenal playing and theoretical knowledge; you both give such inspiration, education, and it’s so wonderful to see you both absolutely loving what you do and having such a great time!!! ☺️👍🏻
What a fantastic and exciting interview. I wish I could take part in this.
I really like Rick's videos, I learn so much from them plus he always gives us the history pertaining to the subject.
Rick, You’re RUclips interviews and all the other content that you present are awesome. Thank You!
Rick, you are fantastic. Your knowledge of music and theory is inspiring. Also, keep going with your song breakdowns. Great.
This is seriously next-level stuff. I would've started this video out by saying to just practice first. You don't know what playing ahead of the beat or behind the beat means until you can play on the beat. I didn't realize I could play in the pocket until an esteemed musician friend gave me that compliment. I'm happy to have made it to that milestone, but I still have no idea how to play ahead or behind the beat. It took me 20 years to just play ON THE BEAT. When I watch a lot of video tutorials on "how to play song X", I'm always impressed by the ear training and the fingering. But I can almost always hear the lack of solid timing. I often hear them playing ahead of the beat I think, because they are not relaxed and maybe over-anxious. Anyway, I don't even know what my damn point was. Just keep practicing. And maybe Rick can give us a video about how to play ahead of or behind the beat.
Right on dude. I'm a guitarist and and we have similar reaching milestones too. It feels great reaching them.
I’m an amateur guitarist of many years and STILL play ahead of the beat. I only realise afterwards when I listen back in horror.
Excellent video. Thank you, Rick and Tim. Amazing interview, educational as always. 👍
Love watching these guys getting along so well! Hope to see Tim on a future video too, if possible!
Tim Pierce is amazing! Love his videos and same for you Rick! Cheers!
Another great interview. I have followed Tim for a long time and think he has such a wealth of info. Again keep it up Rick, "you da man".
Thank you both for your channels i love watching you both and listening to your knowledge and experience !!
Excellent questions! Great show and tell!
Thank you for this interview which shows that skilled labor in any field of work is at first glance appears to look easy, but behind the talent is using as little commotion as needed. Like a professional dancer there is no wasted motion or movement.
A good musician follows the same rules as keeping a good knife sharp which is to hone and sharpen it often.
One of my favorite things I love about Tim is his combination of skill and humility.
That was the best and extremely informative video I have seen in along time. I was hoping it wouldn’t end. It did and now I search for better or as close as I can get. Lol… both of you have so much passion, it’s contagious and very much respected. By me anyway. Thank you. Hope for more of your collaborative efforts.
Tim loves his profession and it shows! Love watching him! And Rick always asks the right questions!!
A world of knowledge in this video. Tim talking about things most can only imagine and Rick being a top interviewer once again.
I love listening to Rick and how truly nice and spproachable the musicians he brings on his shows are......just wonderful.
i love Tims humility this is a big part of what have made him so great both social people do not feel made small in his company and at the same time it motivate him to always become better and better
A wonderful dynamic and friendship between you two. Fantastic video
Amazing interview, love the way Tim talks about playing with drummers and how they “feel” things differently
Literally just saw you at NAMM and gave you a high five Rick! Hope I wasn’t interrupting your night! You’re awesome!!
Such great content, just what I needed.. thank you both!
Such a great feeling between you two....lots of smiles and laughs. Such fun to listen to.
This is great stuff; such a wealth of information and encouragement you guys individually offer, and letting us in on a conversation like this is just an amazing gift for people like me who love hearing all this stuff from the point of view of two seasoned pros, and the fact that it's two super chill dudes makes it a real pleasure to soak up all the knowledge; kudos on a great show! 🤘
I absolutely enjoy seeing you two in a video. Saves me time watching one video verse two! Also, I got so happy thinking Tim was in my hometown Bakersfield. Tarzania is awesome because you got Norm’s though.
Conversations like this are so inspiring. Thank you!
Rick, always a pleasure to watch your videos. They are always chocked full of information. Keep it up!
Great video. So much knowledge between you two guys. Anyone that's trying to do this should consume your words and experiences. Great to see another meeting of your minds...💯🎸🤘💻🎧🎤
You two pull together your individual expertise and knowledge in a lovely enjoyable conversation of meaningful recollections and well interpreted personal wisdoms. Thank you!
I always enjoy Rick's interviews, his enthusiasm is infectious, and he's obviously an extremely knowledgeable and accomplished guitarist as well.
I am so honored to know you two, and I never cease to be amazed at your knowledge, experience, and enthusiasm. Thank you for all you both do!
Rick, what you do is invaluable to musicians but wildly fascinating to those who just find it cool to learn about these things. you hit on all the important nuances about what people need to see and hear. Explaining what makes an artist an artist, and how they are unique like Sting for an example. Very illuminating. I appreciate it very much.
Tim is a total class act - I love his enthusiasm and joy. Great video Rick - that was really fun.
Rick and Tim. A truly dynamic duo. Great vid !!
Awesome post. I really like Tim's whole vibe - in addition to his massive knowledge and experience.
Rick and Tim, two of the best players, teachers, and enthusiasts for all things music. Great interview.
I wish Rick and Tim would take 20 guitar players under their wings and produce them. Be great to watch the sessions and see Tim and Rick interact with the guitar players. 12 year olds to 90 year old guitar players - I'd watch 'em. Be great if Buddy Guy was one of the 20 players - why not add a legend?
@@theBlondBrogre Me too! Just watched all your videos - you would be a great 1 of 20!
I'd love that! But only if Corey Heuvel was one of them! Even though I don't think that he needs any advice really, he is one of the best guitar players out there right now and writes really great iconic songs that become instantly your favourites. He deserves way more attention and their expertise is always much appreciated 🤘 there's nothing wrong with learning from another 😉 check out his Livestreams on Friday and you'll understand. Rock on, great music still exists
Sign me up!
Yep, would be a hell of a lot better than the manufactured crap Cowell et Al foist upon us
Absolutely incredible! I am amazed every time I watch Rick Beato. That's not an exaggeration.
Really beautiful discussion, so intricate and informative. Makes you appreciate sound as music.
I love hearing Tim off the cuff! Dude is so motivational without even trying.
Outstanding Interview, Rick. Very inspirational :)
I have been subscribed to both gentlemen and have been very surprised on how much great content you both give us. OMG, this interview was packed with so much and so entertaining! Thank you. Thank you.
Excellent, you really don't find very many videos like this any where. Thank you for disecting the sounds and imparting your words of wisdom guided by your many years of top-notch experience. Priceless.
Love these guys. Always such an education listening to them, relaxed conversations between people that really know their stuff but at a level even someone with a passing interest can understand. Almost like you are part of the conversation even though your just watching a video…. That’s what makes this so engaging.
A question for both Rick and Tim…. Could you one day discuss the difference between learning to play in you early teens and in you mid 40’s or later; that is when you have all the time in the world and no responsibility vs. Limited time and and the responsibilities of adulthood and family’s.
You two are such fun to listen to. I feel like I'm hanging out with the music friends I wish I had. ;)
Bobo alegre
I agree 100%
Same here...
What a great interview! You are both such an inspiration!
I like you guys when you chat and play music and it all feels real, great conversation, thank you, makes me happy and laugh 😆
As a guitar player for over 25 years…muting string with your palms and fingers is really the key to a clean/reliable guitar player! 😅. Seriously! That kind of playing takes years to get down! Awesome video! Great advice. Your “brain/second nature” takes over after a while. 👍👍🍻🍻
Rick is an uncle I wish I’ve had, so passionate about music and all it’s parts. Enjoys it with others like him too!
Just started watching the video and I'm already enjoying the vibe between Rick and Tim.
Always a pleasure to listen to Tim, great video Rick!